Out Now With Aaron and Abe
Out Now Commentary: Kiki’s Delivery Service (1989)
"We are now recording and this is out now with Aaron Abe. I am Aaron and as always this is..." "Hey! Hello! Hello, hello, hello! How are you, Aaron?" "I'm doing well. The lovely girlfriend and I went down to San Diego this afternoon and we had a nice time. It was a nice day." And he just went down for the remnants of Comic-Con, huh? We were there for week four of Comic-Con. Exactly. Yeah. But how are you doing? Doing well. Doing well. Thank you for asking. Well, good. Glad to have you here with us because now is a follow-up film podcast where we normally discuss newbies weekly. However, every now and then, we like to have these special bonus episodes, whether it's one of our fun commentary tracks, it's a little bit different. This is our commentary track first August to 2024, continuing our international theme of commentary tracks for summer. We are talking Kiki's Delivery Service in honor of its 35th anniversary, the Studio Givy Film. Oh boy, I am excited to talk about this movie with all you guys. Joining Abe and I to discuss Kiki's Delivery Service, host of the Brandon Peters Show, you'd think you'd never seen a girl in a cat in a broom before it's Brandon Peters. Hello, I was tracking my tracking number and this episode is out for delivery. Okay. Hey. Also joining us, also joining us for movies, films and flicks and Deep Blue Sea, the podcast, they call him an egg stealer and you don't want to know what else they call him. It's Mark Hoffmeyer. I'm kind of burnt out. I wonder if there's a movie coming out that we're going to watch soon that could help me with that. Well, you're in luck, sir. I need it. How are you guys doing this evening? I'm good. It's going to be an interesting one for me. So I learned that my family, they're like my ancestors are real coven of witches. They're going to say delivery, Ben. Yeah. Nice. But apparently, I have to like take a baby and mush it up in the goo and then like lather and stuff. Oh, this is VVage style. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not like Hocus Pocus or like, you know, the, the. Siprin in the teenage. A teenage witch. The Sabrina or this movie, we're talking about there's a goat outside my house. Just harassing me. It's a, I guess I'm a warlock now. What? What? What a library could be if someone like had a goat come out every now and then it would like phone in voice over to you, like, like through your ceiling and you just wouldn't know for like the longest time is pulled that off like weeks on end. Okay. Yeah. I'm not sleeping enough as it is. If I had to deal with a ghost away, a ghost demon as well as a real ghost. Yeah. Yeah. Both. Yes. Exactly. I'm really burnt out. Too much. I'm excited to talk about this movie. If you guys have already mentioned, it's our fourth animated film commentary track. Do you guys know? I was wondering what the count was on that. Do you know what the other three were? I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Wally. Nope. No, we have one Pixar. We have one Disney and we have one. We'll give it away. Water brothers. Up. Up. No. Geez Louise. I quit. I was on these and I don't even remember. You're on all of them. Yes. Anastasia. We should do it. We didn't do Mask of the Phantasm, did we? No. What's the other Warner Brothers animated film you could think of? Mask of the Phantasm. Oh. Roger Rabbit. Killer Joe. This is too much time being spent to the early part of this documentary track. Turn giant. Oh, yeah. Toy Story. Yep. And Panaccio. Oh. Panaccio. Yeah. We did that special. That's right. We did that in honor of the Robert Zabekis film that we definitely all loved. Exactly. From the Tom Hanks special. It certainly was one of the Pinocchio films of that year. Yeah. I lost. Yeah. That killed something in me. What? Oh. Yeah. Passion for movies. I know me too. Yeah. I'm very positive with movies. But I remember watching this and going, this isn't it. I'm like that. This isn't it. Yeah. Just look at my wife. This isn't it. This is not happening. No. I thought Larry Crown too. Tom. I think a lot of people will tell that about Larry Crown. A lot of people down on Larry Crown. Yeah. His rap career is not taking off either bread. Okay. Let's get back to what we're doing after watching that. Let's get back to what we're doing. We're doing a competition check for Kiki's delivery service. What that means is Brandon, Mark, and Abe, and I, we're all going to. We all have the film currently paused on our version, on some versions, it's five seconds of it. Basically, it's where the studio Ghibli logo appears on screen. Big blue Totoro. Can't miss it. We have that pause currently. What I'm going to do eventually is countdown from three and on the sound of go, we're all going to press play and talk over this movie. So if you plan to listen and follow along with us by watching while listening, then, you know, pause it, press play when you're ready and you're not good to go. You're listening just to listen. You're already set. You've got to enjoy this early banter and you get to keep going about doing anything else. So get on you. Get on you. Exactly. If you're listening at 1.5 speed, be ready because Aaron's three, two, one go is going to be really fast. Yeah. Yeah. If you can capture goats and come to my house. Okay. So I think we got all our bases covered. Wait it. Wait. Hey, my buddy, my buddy, Bamper. Yeah. I don't have one. The ace is adding is always a thank you. Let's just space it in. Let's do this. Here we go. You guys ready? Yeah. 20 minutes in. They got to the commentary. It was great. Three, two, one, Ghibli. All right. So Kiki's delivery service, 1989 feature film. One of the most expensive anime at the time along with Akira, that's not how you pronounce it. Oh yeah. How do you pronounce it? Thank you. Got a lot of explanation marks. What I'm fascinated about this one already is what we normally do, which is going over where we first saw this movie because I, you know, it's not going to be the standard we saw it opening night and, you know, so I want to hear from each of you. But, Dave, I want to share with you. When did you first see Kiki's delivery service? I first saw Kiki's loo service, maybe in 1997, '98, this is a second Ghibli movie that I've seen because the first one was my neighbor Totoro. And then I think that I was just really impressed that there was another world in which there was animation style like this and I was like, these people look like the people from, from my neighbor Totoro. So it's pretty early on, but definitely the second one that I've ever seen. Okay. Mark, how about you? When did you first see Kiki's delivery service? Sometime between 2015 and 2017, guys, a while ago, my wife and I were like, we need to watch these Miyazaki movies, like we've, we, I've heard great things and like spirited away. So then they were on sale at Costco. So we would just go buy one and watch it. And then like next time we went back to Costco, we'd get another one. Like it was a fun little treat for us to go get a, get a, like a Miyazaki movie. And then we, we spread out, but like we watched all his stuff first. But yeah, this had to have been sometime in 2015, 2017, eight. Thank you, Costco. So you said Akira whenever I hear Achilles, like I got to scream that summer of 2004. They're the same. It's fun screaming about bad movies. I get it. Have I seen that poster? I just wanted to pull a Brian Cox and yell it. Or was it, you know, it was Brian Cox. Yeah. It was very nice. Yeah. Brad. Yeah. So it's, because he, because he, because like the big guy, big guy comes out on one side and Brian Cox is like, you, you don't even know. He says, Achilles, and then Achilles isn't there because he's busy, like not being there. He's busy acting like Achilles in the Iliad for the first 20 minutes of the movie. And then they scrap all that and he does his own thing and it's like, Oh, okay, we're just not done doing anything. So for those of you who are like, for a movie, he doesn't like, Aaron's sure pretty detailed on that. Yeah. He had to watch it again this summer. For the summer of 2004, had 20. Yeah. So. So. Seamless. Seamless. He branded. What did you first see? Kiki's deliveriesers. Last week. A week ago. Um, wow. Yeah. Uh, as people have listened to like me for a long time in my red, my rights, like anime is like, not my forte and a big blind spot in many, many, many areas. Um, and the studio, even like, including like studio Jeep, uh, Jeep Lee star, Ghibli, right? Is that it? Ghibli Ghibli. Either way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So no, it's that is not, I know those are exactly the same comparison. Yeah. Uh, so yeah, so I don't know why, like I've always like with anime stuff, like, it's not like I'm like, uh, anime is like, I want to like it and love it like ice. And so when I do like the convention, I do like popcorn has a big anime following a lot. And a lot of stuff I know about anime comes from there from seeing like cosplay, something like that. And I met like, I, I like know these people that are like big name anime voice actors, but to me, they were just a cool person I had to drink with or something like that. Um, but I've been doing better about like, you know, trying to have some in my wheelhouse of watching when I'm throughout the year, uh, with movies. And, um, I really like, I really like boy in the Heron a lot last year. Yeah. And I watched, I watched one called, um, is it chainsaw man or chainsaw head? Chainsaw head. Chainsaw head. Yeah. Yeah. And I actually real, that was like, all right. I guess it is chainsaw man. Chainsaw man. Yeah. Yeah. But it's a crazy anime. It was right in my wheelhouse though. It had some like, like my kind of weird, uh, with some of the episodes of that. So, um, and I've, I've been told, like the next one I'm trying to try to get to, which I was told that I would really probably like it's death note and a lot of these need to be like finite because I've been warned that like the anime crowd is crazy and won't realize how much time you have and we'll like, recommend something that has like thousands of episodes to it. Uh, but seriously, going back through some of these and stuff, um, is going to be a task. And I, I liked that we did this that got like kicked me in the butt to start this and I watched Kiki and I really liked it. Um, I watched it last week. So I bought the Blu-ray and I'm like, you know what, I'm just going to maybe collect these, these, uh, Miyazaki ones, um, as they go around, go through them, but I've seen a handful of them and then like my details and memories on them probably isn't the greatest, but there, but we can talk about Kiki. Thank you. I do like this one. I first saw this film in full in 2019, I've seen parts of it beforehand because when it was like a blockbuster hit, like I know, I know at some point it was like rented and it just like have a remnants of memory, like whether or not I watched it weirdly, cause I didn't grow up with Totoro, but I did grow up with neat, with little Nemo adventures in slumberland or whatever. Like that one. Yeah. I remember the video game. Like that, that, that movie I did watch, which is that's Ghibli, but obviously it's not, it's not Miyazaki, but that's a Ghibli movie. Right? That is like a produced by you, but it might be like adjacent yet because it was similar animation styles. Yeah. Uh, but like that's like the one that I, and that like speed racer stuff, like that's like the anime. That was my, that was my younger days experience of anime and like it was, it's not unlike Brandon. It was a slow like pickup for me, like over time and then like cowboy bebop was my gateway into the world. I watched that during the pandemic and it was pretty cool. I actually want to watch cowboy bebop again. Now that I've seen it already, see if I like it. I like, I enjoyed it, but I have a feeling I could like it better on a second time around. I saw the movie in theaters first, um, you know, my friends were like, we gotta go see cowboy deal with the movie because it was playing at one of the art theaters. And I was floored by it. And then they're like, you know, you got to see the show, there's like, there's a show and that, that went on from there. But like Miyazaki, um, I had seen Spirit Away and Mononoke and some of the, uh, what else I see, uh, Pokerosa, of course, uh, and, um, but I like, I'd never seen all of them. So 2019 when I had that Disney Blu-ray box that came out, I was like, I'm going to make it my task to finally watch every Miyazaki film in order, uh, and I did. And with Kiki, when I got to that one, I had certain expectations because like, to be like frank about it, like it's called Kiki's Delivery Service. And you get the image of like a little girl on a broom. I didn't have like that, not like low expectations Miyazaki, like all of the films up to that point have been like amazing, but like it did feel like, okay, some of them are more serious than other ones and watching Kiki like, yes, there's like some silly stuff in it because it's about a little girl on a broom with a cat that talks. But I was not prepared for how strong the themes were going to be involving like growth out of adolescence and independence and becoming, you know, more considered or a contemporary as opposed to traditional, like there's just a lot of stuff there along with the like fucking thrilling final 20 minutes of this movie as well. I was not prepared for how much I like it. So by the time I finished walking, watching all of the, uh, the Miyazaki films, this is my number, I experimented away is one of the, like, I think the best films ever made. But after that, after that, Kiki's Delivery Service was like the surprise, like, this is my number two favorite one, like I, I love this movie. You like this is so I didn't hear this. So like my speed, polka roses number three, like, I thought I was going to watch, watching all of those. I thought it was going to come out being like, Spirit Away, polka roso and then like, I don't know what I have my model, okay, lower than most people. I think it's fine. But like those are two, I'm like, well, like, Spirit Away rules and but, and polka roso is like, yeah, it's like a World War One fighter pilot that is voiced by Michael Keaton in the English dub. Like that's cool. But also all the other stuff. It's a pig pilot. Great. That's so my thing. And then Kiki's Delivery Service just came out of nowhere. And this really floored me with how much I enjoyed it. So like, yeah, I'm a big fan of, uh, of this film and either version two, like we can talk about the dub stuff, but either for like, I either what and we should talk about that. We'll get, we'll get that later. Here. Yeah. While we're here over this, I want to point out how impressed I was by the depth of this like hand drawn 2D animation. Oh my God. Over stuff. Like, yes. Insanely impressive. Yeah. It like, like, I was just like, whoa, I mean, like, I was like, yeah, I'd like, you could see this a thousand times, but there's something different about the way they've presented this that I'm just like, this is incredible. And you haven't seen all of his film because like castle in the sky and Nazica, I think have like flying at like, castle, this guy does for sure. But if it's like flying. That's my favorite. That's my favorite. You're a castle. This guy guy. Yeah. I can see an adventure yarn. But no, you're not very, you're entirely correct here. Like there's, there's something about the way me is that he does and I certainly want you to speak to this as well. But there's something about just the way he approaches the material where it just, it just feels like unlike anything, but like you get it. Like it's there. And like, yeah, something that's like just casually flying. It looks amazing. And like it, but it also looks like you feel at home with this. I'd like us to describe it. You just, it feels like this is a very natural thing. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I certainly can appreciate the Miyazaki experience. I mean, they've been talking about it for the last few years now with his most recent works. It's very embracing of any audience, so a lot of kids can watch it and kind of just take away what they need to take away. But a lot of adults can watch it too and just be like, Oh, there's some heavy themes here about again, with, I love that everybody's screen just all flashed because there's lightning flashing. I was like, that's what that is. But there's a lot of, there's a lot of thematic depth here, like what you're talking about too. Yeah. I'm curious. Like, if you guys mark Brandon, you guys started watching the English version, but the version. Yeah. And I was, I have to say, I met, I continue to be more impressed with her. I don't know as the years ago by, but going back and looking at Kirsten Dunce is great in this. And she's, did she record this in 89 or 90? 90. It was 97, 97. Oh, 97. Okay. It's like it's literally because Phil Hartman's G.G. and this is the last, like the last thing he did before his, so it must have got released in the US and it was released. There was an original, there was a 89 film. It comes out in America with a, and I believe the UK with a different dub back in 90, I want to say. Okay. And then yes, later on, once Disney makes this deal with Ghibli to start, restart, rereleasing their films and like John Lasseter is a big heavy involvement in there. And if it's not obvious, Pixar worship's Ghibli, like they'd be as Aki's films. But that's why the dubs are very good for their films because Disney has a, it has a very good agreement with them for who'd like getting a good cast, not just like names, but like people that fit and like doing the work and not just being like, say the lines, but like actually like getting people to like really do the work. Yeah. Because that, yeah, so like, I was, because I got so confused because I'm watching this bonus feature of her recording, talking about her. I'm like, she looks way too old to be when this was like, this is like, this is like small soldiers era. Okay. So yeah, no, and she, she gets it right and Phil Hartman gets it right. Even though you can very much tell it's Phil Hartman the whole time, but like a few of our celebrities, because like they love loading these things with like animated films with celebrities voices to sell them on. But a lot of them, you know, they show up, say the lines and go home, but like there's more to it, the voice acting when it animated, then, or a video game than just showing up and doing it as you would. Like I like to point, I think we talked about before, like the mutant mayhem Ninja Turtles was so fun because the cast showed up to do an animated movie and not just show up to a day. You've got Rose Byrne doing awesome stuff as Leatherhead, Ice Cube's performance is great because they're doing it in an animated style, not just running through their lines. And like, and it just like Kirsten Dunce is getting this balance of classic anime English voice dubs plus some actual, um, heft to it in terms of some emotional weight and stuff as well. Yeah. For example, like the boy in the hair and came out last year, I didn't think I could be more like impressed by Robert Pattinson, but when he was announced, I thought like, well, he's going to be one of the people, obviously he's Robert Pattinson and there's William Defoe. Obviously, William Defoe would play the grumpy weird man inside the bird. Nope. Robert Pattinson's like, I'm there and I am the grubby old man and it's amazing and a meeting like, go called it. Nope. I'm that's it's me. They're both there as like a weird lighthouse reunion that they're both in the room and like, so which one he wants to be the Herod and they're like, laugh because like, ha, obviously will, but he's like, no, I got it. Me, Bob, Bob's got the hair. They have to edit out all the farts. That was a good job and win rises too. Like I remember, I don't know why, but like I really liked his performance and jiggles. Yeah. Like he's, no, I think you're right about the voice work. They just nail in this. That's why it never felt weird for me. Like when it, sometimes I'll, I'll stop the dub and I'll just watch the, you know, like the subtitles because it's just, it's far more natural and everything. But I think with this, like it, I never had problems with the dubs. So that's, that's the thing. Like I, I've seen all of these now at least twice, some more than others than just twice, but like compared to other films that, because I am very much a subtitle person, like that is, but like, but there are like two exceptions. One is cowboy bebup. I just, I really like, but they did voice work there. And the other is these Miyazaki films. Now with the Miyazaki films though, I go either way, like it depends on a mood, I guess. And it's less about like, I feel too lazy to read, like that's not it. It's more, if I want to watch the dub, it's less, it's more because like I'm less concerned with like hearing them and more just like, I want to be invested in this world more. And it's like one less step that my head has to take as far as reading is I'm just like, I want to observe everything. So it works for me that way, or am I just, just as happy to be like, let me just, you know, watch it as it, you know, it was made with the Japanese voice, of course, like that's not a problem for me either. But there's just, there's so much volume to every Miyazaki film where it's like, I know it can, I can, I can make either way work for me without having to like justify myself for doing it. Right. I can watch it like duh, like I don't know what the animated to me. I don't know. It's kind of like a dub like with the old Italian films where it's like, well, nobody recorded sound on set and everybody just spoke their native language. So whatever language you pick on the dub is fine, you know, like, and I love that logic because I agree with you. I'm not getting your, you're not getting the original audio anyway. And here you're not getting, you're not seeing someone's face or something to put with it. You've got the animation and to that, I would say that's where Disney, I think, works again where they're matching enough where I'm not like sitting there being like, I can see the mouth still moving despite the fact that there's an English, like I can't, another animated stuff or any number of things that are dubs, like dubs, but they, but especially, you know, live action, obviously, because it's just, I see the disconnect in my eyes. I just, it doesn't register now for sure. Yes. Well, I will put that, yes, there are some of these enemies that were probably done more on the fly. And a lot of people are like, you're getting out of the fireland and trying to, which is a charm. That's like a charm of Speed Racer. I think that's, that's where a lot of like Americans have a love for Speed Racer because it is have like a heightened ridiculousness to it to begin with. So I want to say while I mentioned that like, anime is not like, I've always tried, it's kind of weird because that somehow my disconnect with it happens somewhere where I, when I go to college and whatever, because when I was a kid, I used to get, I used to always rent these robo tech VHSs from the video store. They came in the big white clamshell case. And one time I ran one and it was like 25 minute episode, had a cliffhanger. I was like, what sucked? That's what I got. Didn't realize the tape was full of like five episodes, but it was like had credits and stuff was done and then figured that out. So I had robo tech and then in, in the nineties, I used to live for, cause it wasn't so easy to get anime. The sci fi channel back when it was SCI dash F I, they had one real sci fi channel. Yes. One week a year they had anime week and I used to live for it and they would show five anime movies on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and then like did a double feature repeat of them on Saturday and I would live for that and like check out with it. So I like gotten to like tank police was one of them. Uh, I can't remember what I think they just scroll, maybe something, uh, but there was ones like that. And I think I saw it. What is tech police? Cause I hear that title like, are they like police and tank police too? And they, they're this like crazy, they're not by pedal tanks. Yeah. Uh, and like they just have big, their police cars are these big tank things. Um, and one of the, I think the, what's the Godzilla one that does all the, uh, all the millennium era, does all the matrix stuff? Is that Tokyo SOS or is that the final worst? That's final worst. Final worst. I think the, the one guy, the big guy, there's all like, I think he's a tribute to a tank police character. And my memory, he's very weak, but I feel like he looked just like the captain in the plank, take police movies, but I would, I would live for those. I watched during that time and think I watched ghost in the shell. And I think I saw Princess Mononoke during this period cause that was maybe badly tatted. When did that one come out? That one. Oh, she doesn't want. Yeah. It doesn't. Okay. There was something princess something. Maybe it wasn't Monon. Okay. That I saw back then. There was legend of the overfiend. That's the, the one had all this nudity in it. So yeah, I wanted to see that one. You watch it for the articles, the rest of for the article and then college, I discovered adults swim, like at night would turn into an anime fest. Yeah. And I was like, cool. And I try to stay up and I fall asleep every night to it. I fall asleep, fall sleep, fall sleep, fall sleep. And then I had this thing where I would watch anime no matter when I would fall asleep to it. I'd like, I don't know what it was. It would just hit me and I would fall asleep. But I've gotten much better about it now. But that's, it was just, it's just so weird that, that would happen to me. And I was definitely into it, but now it's this huge and like, it is massive. Like, if there is a, like, if cinema is looking for new ideas to, you know, get people back to the theaters, this is a, like video games that they're trying to tap into and do right anime is a segment and these people are showing up to these like limited events to for TV episodes just for episodes, you think about that. So if you can figure out a way to cater to them because they're becoming adults, there are many of them already are adults, you can do that. It feels like a final frontier for Hollywood in a lot of ways where they've experimented be like, for one, just being like, let's get these witch houses, they seem to get it and then they deliver live action anime and they're like, yeah, we don't want you anymore. And then they didn't show up for some of the movies. Otherwise it's like, let's adapt ghosts in the shell live action. Okay. Yeah. Okay. And trouble with Android. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a guy got told about it. A friend wasn't that, you know, that's the thing. It's not unlike video game movies where there's a lack of passion by many going into the material beyond like, yeah, I saw it and I get an idea of it and I'm going to do my own visual take on it. There's such a specific thing about anime and how to like bring that into big for one thing. It's just, it's literally a, another nation, another area of the world and how they do something. So you can't just like replicate that, like that's just not how things work. There's a reason why Westerns in one country don't look like Westerns in another country. It's just like an aesthetic that you can't simply copy over. It's like taking like comedies from another country and trying to like, yeah, straight up do them over here. It's like, yeah. Force me a lot of that. Different sense of humor, man. Different sense of humor. Yeah. What was, was that a really cool one, but they remade it with Wolfram and Julie, like Marcus said before. Sure. Before it was. Yeah. Or downhill. Yeah. But like British comedy, like people are very well aware of, but that doesn't even translate completely over. That's a, that's a give and take, right? Because for every office, there's like, I was a coupling, which is like a huge show in England and like, did like just completely bombed here when they tried to adapt to her America. Like money Python, but the people know money Python, but do they like money Python? Do they, you know, do they have, they sat through all the flying circus and see, you know, like it's. And it's a good example, Mark, is that that? And that's more of like a, because it's him. It's him coming over to the States and be like, I'm going to do my thing, but here. And with also a ridiculous system, the American political system, you know, I'm not saying anything new here, but I, what I love about this movie is, you know, by as lucky does this, but like the way that you blend like witches, but then with this straight up realism, I got to deliver things. Like I got to do that. Like, even in how I was moving castle, there's a realism to the castle. Like, I feel like that's what makes it so grounded, these films and accessible for people. I really wish I watched them when I was young. Like, I wish I watched this one. I was younger. Like the lessons to be learned from these films and a lot of fun adventure. But I like how she's flying around and she gets chastised or calls it an accident. Like I like that it's a different kind of world, I think than what, you know, I think like maybe Western animated films have. So like I kind of dig just how, I don't know, magical realism, but like, I like how they, they combine the world. I think magical realism is an appropriate, that's an appropriate term to apply here. I do think that that makes sense like the characters existing in most of Miyazaki's films are a ostensibly real people that has happened to be like, she's a witch. Like, you know, they're, I think that's a part of, you know, it's anime. So obviously there's a kind of a side to it that's just heightened in a general sense. But in terms of like what Miyazaki's doing, I mean, you're hitting it right on the head. Like he's presenting you not just, you know, characters in a movie, but people that have real problems, right? Like we're watching Kiki and she's going to get depressed eventually. She's going to have real issues that like a teenager would deal with and she just happens to also have an extraordinary ability. It's not like watching Spider-Man 2, where like Peter Barker exists in a real world where he gets shit on all the time. And because of that, he loses the powers before a brief spell, like fun, definitely intended. And I mean, it's like in that they just treats, they treat Spider-Man no different than Derek Jeter at the time, you know, like that's kind of how it works. I think these movies respect kids too. Oh for sure. Oh yeah. Very mature. And like I'm not saying other kids that like movies that are body don't, but like I think these ones challenge kids and like they, they, I don't know, I feel like I was watching that Cisco and Ebert thing and like they're talking about, I think Cisco took someone there, but it was like the kid was three years old and was just fully entranced to it. Like you can just keep up with the movie and I thought, I don't know, I love that about it. So I think these can challenge kids, I guess, you don't really have too much, like I watch wolf chills or any other day, whoa, that's a, that's a tough one. And like blowing the beast, I was like, jeez, the weeds, y'all. But like I think that's good for kids to watch. So like I wonder if so many kids have bonded with this, because like this is big, like people really, like everywhere you go, like, you know, you just get into the memorabilia, the paintings, like I have a spirited away print from Tim Doyle in my room. Like I know there's something about that connects. People to this. Like, I don't know. I, well, it's not afraid to go in a kid sort of way with decisions and logic and things like that either without going, doesn't go too far off for an adult, but like it's very hid sound in what it's in what like the way she's coming up where she's going to like switch the cat out. That's very kid idea thing like, yeah, like plot wise, it's doing things that, you know, like a cartoon movie about a little girl witch, like, but in terms of where it goes from, which is stuff that Miyazaki largely added. Like this is based on a novel by Aiko Kondo. And there's like a bunch of sequels to it and everything. And from what I can tell, the movie that I expected when I was first turning it on is what the novels essentially are. Like the, the, the, the themes going on here, the deeper stuff and even the climax, that's all largely Miyazaki additions to what the original novel resented. Yeah. And it, and so like, and by default, like it was going to be direct, he was like, he's just going to produce this movie. Then he pulled off the director because he just became like the main voice behind it. He storyboarded the whole thing. He turned it from like a 60 minute special to a 100 and two minute feature. So it's like he got so invested in all of this, which is something Miyazaki often does just be like, he'll go from being like, yeah, I got an idea. And then be like, I'm taking over the ship, very classic, I have better. She has never seen that in his personal life ever, his son is no longer a lot on the premises. We haven't talked about what's happening in the movie here, but Kiki is basically in the new city where she has to apprentice living on her own and being a witch. And she's already like gone to a whole slew of things and met a whole slew of characters. Well, as you guys were talking about things, I was honestly just admiring a lot of the animation that I'm watching on the screen here. But yeah, she's getting into some stuff already. And what I was going to say in regards to what this film is doing versus what it, you know, versus in terms of plot versus like what the character is going through. But I like it when you don't really see an animation is yes, there's story and we're moving through it. But there's a lot of scenes and this is true to a lot of Miyazaki because we're a character is just like in a room looking at something or you're seeing them think or you see them pause or you see them react with emotion. It's not just next beat, next beat, next beat or a joke, joke, joke or an action action. There's scenes with Kiki just being like staring out of a window thinking about something. The closest I can think of offhand of something that takes an extended amount of time is like the honestly, the Spider-Verse movies. Those seem like the closest that we've gotten to American animation like you adding contemplation into the work because it's animation, you know, movies are generally 90-ish minutes, right? They got to keep it moving. There's no time for the kind of slowdown that these films have. Miyazaki though, he's like, no, I like these characters are going through something. I want them to like think about it. I want the audience to register the fact that they are not just driving themselves towards the next plot beat, but they actually have emotions and feelings about the things that are going through. And with her, you can't like, like like we said, the burnout, living on her own and figuring things out. You can't rush that, you kind of got to live in it and find those moments and this is making me hungry. All this delicious baking? Oh goodness. It does look like a great bakery, right? What I also found fascinating about Miyazaki kind of growing up and watching his movies is there's like a lot of like European influence, like a lot of like the cities and the townscapes. Like when you look at this town square, she's definitely not in like Japan. She's like elsewhere. And then when I was growing up watching stuff like Ranma and watching some like Vampire 100D, like super Japan centric, but it was really fascinating because you see this with like house boom castles, well like, you know, when they when they've poured all flash through things, they'll go through to like Deutschland or whatever the case is, son actually Deutschland, but you know, they'll go to like other European cities. And I also have that very fascinating because other enemies can be quite out of a know what the word would be. You know, how we have like frame files and angle files, like you can be quite Japan centric. Japan centric. Yeah. Yeah, for this, Miyazaki, he traveled to Sweden, traveled to like research the landscapes there. Like there's supposed to be a port city that she's in and it's not. And it's set in like a I like this. I like reading this. It's a it's set like 1950s as if the World Wars didn't happen. Like that's the that's the that's the that's the idea of what the setting's supposed to be. Like, which is, you know, so you have like things like a dirigible or like certain kinds of planes that would easily exist, but not use for like bombers or whatnot. So I get that's, which is interesting to think where you're when you place this in me is in like Ghibli's film out of here, because this is coming off of a Greer of the Fireflies film. I'll know. That we all, you know, cheer for and just like, raise your face. I'm getting emotional. Think about it. It is put it on when people come over. Yeah. Hey guys. But it's, but it's it's a good thing about that, right? Because you have Ghibli putting out like a very definitive take on Japan's the what what's going on in Japan during World War two day of this film where they're like, let's let's paint over that and like imagine this other kind of world that exists, like what if the World Wars didn't happen and see that perspective thing. See where Japan see how Japan thrives in that scenario. Sure. It also means like Kiki would be a great parent of Godzilla minus one. It's a great you have the exact opposite of that. I just wanted to plan on something to like, yeah, she, again, this being multi generational multi age, Kiki was just walking to the store to go buy some stuff. But again, she's got self doubts about her, her ability to purchase things, consumer goods. And then she's also got self doubts about like how maybe poor she is to like classism comes into play here. So there's a lot of stuff that you can pick and choose from what you wanted to discuss and pull apart, but also as a child, you're just like, it's a cat talking and they're buying groceries and it's like, it's really fun. But like all of this is like, she's living on her own, man, like it's hard. She's like 14 living on her own. It's hard. I wouldn't have understood anything that I said in a review 10 years ago because I was just like, Oh man, like this is such a masterful, complete work of Mizaki's life. I was like, I would have just been like, this is a weird movie about, you know, people going through time zones, right? But it's got birds and they're fun. So it's yeah, and this is what that's what I mean. That's why I loved watching Mizaki's films in order. It was so neat to see the evolution of of his, him as a filmmaker and him like playing with ideas and how mature you can get, right? Because you get to like cast as a guy's like, oh, stroke, which I also didn't expect to be like, oh, it's his first one and it's a loop. It's a loop and things like, oh, I'll be fine with this. And I'm like, this is this great, this rules like this is, it's about this, this crazy, this like, this wacky guy that pulls up heists in a little car. This is so my speed, like I'm on to this. But yeah, but like, you know, it's less serious and less like thematically heavy. And then you get to something like Castle in the Sky, which has so many more ideas happening as far as youth and what you can explore with that and like how it wants to present a world to you. Then you go back to Totoro, this is like very grounded thing that happens to have a, you know, a big fantasy creature in the corner. Then you get to like Mononoke, which is an epic, you know, it's like a war, a war fantasy epic. You get the spirit away, which is this crazy balance of a kid's film as well as being a big kid, like he, like he gets into all like the geo stuff too, which is like how humans are polluting like the entire planet and, you know, how this virus is going to come up and like just like wreak havoc on these villagers, like this is, this is some deep stuff. But as a kid, you're just like, that's a weird bore that's just like all veins and blood. So like seeing all these things like in progression of one another watching me as Zaki girl, and now yeah, he gets to like his, well, even that like at the end, you get the ponio, which is like the most kid friendly thing and it rules, but it's also like, you know, it's not doing, it's not open, it's not openly doing much compared to something like, like a Mononoke as far as like wearing its themes very clearly on its sleeves, like it's, it's this wacky adventure upon you, who loves him. But then right after that, it's wind rises, which is like, you know, before the boy or the heron, you would think it would be his most personal films. It's very deliberately about, you know, his upbringing and the, you know, the, his father and his, and his relationship to World War II and all that. And then he makes, you know, boy in the hair and which is still apparently not his last film. So I don't know, like he, he's a fast, he's a fascinating film. He's like, that's how he wants to get into the, I think it was smart though, for him to place this and kind of a European area because this is about her traveling somewhere else. So I mean, you know, you go watch this, it's nice to have this area because you can separate yourself from it. Like if she goes to an area and like, you know, Japan, that's very familiar, kids go watch it and like, well, this isn't a different city, you know, I think separating that helps with the story because it's a little bit more foreign, right? I think that helps build the alienation she has of good idea. Yeah. I mean, it's already starting to rub in to where she's starting to feel again, like, great term alienated and alone. So as mentioned, yeah, they went to Sweden to research the landscapes there. The city also the city. Thank you. The city of where she was it called? Or is she from core? It's also influenced by Amsterdam, Milan, Paris and San Francisco. Yeah, major metropolitan areas. This flying stuff is cool. Like when there's like obstacles in the flying, like that's really just neat to see how it's like shown. It's also just really what we just saw there, which is something that animators like the trick that animators can do to like save time and money is just like, just shake this chick, shake the cell. Yeah. It indicates that they fell. And it's like, this is, you know, stuff that you have to think of when you're a director, just like, Hey, let me, how do I, how do I convey this without having to like make them draw like 42 more cells of art? That's it. It's me, as obviously, probably did have them just draw all the leaves are independently its way. He read the word shortcut is like short what to throw through through a person out the window. I'm the leaf guy on Kiki's delivery service. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised. There are there's guys. I just like, Oh, yeah. I worked on the Akira thing where like the hand drew like every window, like on the lights. I worked on, I worked on the leaves for nine. I worked on the leaves for nine months on Kiki. It's like everyone's going out of business, but like Chuck's still making them leaves roll a different movie. State in the game, man. It's like, it's like, you know, it's like when they build a White House for like a movie, but then they keep using the same set for other movies, because like why destroy it? We could just get money back from this since the guy just keeps drawing the leaves. White House is the White House. Let's get Chuck. Yeah. Do a tag for this episode. Find your niche. There were these asshole crows. All right. All right. She's got a delivery. She's for much nicer. Yeah. Yeah. The geese are just like flying V like it's going to be just a pre his mess with them though. She didn't annoy them. This is a precursor to the boy and Aaron. They're going back to their dimension. There were to watch boy in the hair when I was 12 and just been like, I don't understand any of this, but it's fun, you know, like. Yeah. We're speaking of that to Mark when I rewatched house moving castle. Not that long ago. It definitely takes on like a deeper meeting for me now that I'm in my 30s. I was like, Oh, wow, this is like a movie or this like a really deep story about like love through time kind of thing. I was like, this is crazy. Like I'm so sad by the end of it. And Brandon, if you think Phil Hartman's grade in as Gigi in this movie, wait until you see Billy Crystal as a talking flame. Moving in house. There we go. That cast is kind of insane. That's Christian Bale, Billy Crystal, Lauren, the call, Emily Mortimer, Josh Hutcherson, Blythe Danner, Jenna Malone. I mean, like they go out for these. There's a lot of cows. The first around my house. Oh, really? Yeah. We're into them. Like, like we went all in. Like these were, these are cool. Like I loved our journey of it. Like just kind of checking them out and learning. Thank you, Costco. We should sell movies more even though you stopped. They should physical media for the win. I bet you're right, though. I think the best movies, like, you know, Starship Troopers, it gets better when you get old, like it changes the older you get. Like when you're 12, you're like, yes. I mean, well, yeah, when you're a kid watching an, you know, and a movie rated higher than you're supposedly supposed to be allowed for, you generally are going to pick up on the things that you weren't going to pick up with your child. Yeah. I mean, I know most children pick up on the fajas and early on with Starship Troopers, but not every kid. That's what I got first. I'm like, Hey, guys, my buddies were shut up, Mark. I will, I will sit because that's 97. I'm 11 watching Starship Troopers sought opening night with my dad packed. It was packed. This will be a future commentary for sure. I'm surprised we haven't done Starship Troopers yet. But by the time it got to Doogie Houser as a Nazi, my mind was clicking a bit more with like what it's just like, there's something here. That's not like, for an 11 year old, not necessarily readily apparent. But by the time we get to Gestapo Houser, it's like, okay, like, there's, there's more going on here than I'm like, recognizing. Oh, yeah. Brandon, do you know what other Ghibli ones you've seen? They like, you know that you remember? Porcoroso. Okay. And as a mentioned, I think I believe in Manoki and spirited away for sure. I don't know if any others I may have. I mean, in the boy in the hair, obviously. In the boy in the hair and I can't, like, I want to say I had it on my mind to watch house moving castle at some point, but I don't know if I did. So castle in the sky. Oh, yeah. Here's the thing. Yes, you can't go wrong with any. That's the joy of B is office movies. I think, I think that like, kind of, well, they, some of them can be, you know, a little bit denser than others, or some of them you just don't like as much because they, they kind of tend to lean away, especially like the adaptation stuff that he's doing. Because like, this is technically an adaptation, but so is house moving and castle. So those tend to be a little bit more like, well, they're a little bit less like whimsical and fun and jovial and maybe the little, they tend to be more toward the me, Zach, who's just feel it in his feelings that day kind of, like me saying, like, Nazika's my, you know, the lowest on my list. That's not me saying Nazika's bad. It's like, yeah, I didn't click it as much. I got it. You said it was shit. Yeah. It's like me ranking the earnest movies. I love them all. It's just like a secret assignment. It's just, it's just, he's done earnest so many times. I'm telling you, Ernest goes jail has a lot in common with Pattington too. I know you mean, I hear you. It's letting you know. So and Muppets most want it. They're very similar, all very similar to each other. There's a, there's like evil Kermit running around. I mean, what I dig about this part here is like, again, Kiki has met people her age 13, 14 years, including like the kid of the glasses. And now she's meeting like a teenager slash like somebody who's like in her early 20s. Like what animated movies would do these kinds of things? Like when I was growing up, I was like, it's a pretty simple A to B story. And so that's why I never really fully appreciated like what is happening in these movies and tell us much older. It's really like Lion King hero hero's journey. Aladdin, you know, finds a genie has to do all that like forward. This one's kind of hangs out. Yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a very Miyazaki film thing. It's like, he's happy to like characters sit and think or let you just lay about with them for a while. Well, like this, I think a lot of my favorite memories as a kid where I was like on my own or like somewhere, I could just go explore and make some relatable. Like I think that like that's, I think why Totoro works for so many, you know, children because it's there's serious stuff happening and there's a plot in the movie, but there's also just a lot of these two sisters just kind of like hanging out and like dealing with their stuff. Yeah. I mean, even that one's like pretty dark sometimes too. That's the thing too, because Totoro's scene is such like a universal like kitchen, all kids should watch it. And I think they should, but it is like a real movie. There's a, there's a mother that has an issue. Like maybe there's something to do. There's something to deal with. It's far, it's far more serious than fucking John Krasinski. And if I'll tell you that much, right? Yeah. Yeah. Like the deep read on that is like, oh, she's having so much trouble in her life that she makes a imaginary character to help her cope and her sister cope through all this hard time. I was like, this is a crazy read, but it's also like, it could be true. And you got it against if Aaron, I love it. There's if dig. Aaron and I are, we've talked extensively about that movie offline. You're not ifers. Not ifers doesn't work for me. Abe likes it more than I do. I'll put that out there right now. Brandon, have you introduced your kids to cheaply? Like all of them, or the boy in the heron? Okay. My daughter says, just said she wants to watch more anime and stuff. I don't know if she is on her own or anything like that. But they're both are walking. She's watching like Naruto. We're watching you. So my son's watching Naruto a little bit. I know that. Yeah. And and stuff. These kind of like casual peruse is it, but like it's just like with them now, like when I was when I was a kid, you were like a nerd if you're watching anime. And like now it's just part of the lexicon, like it's just natural. It's just it's just animation kind of like they know it's anime, but like that's just like literally just a thing that can watch it's a channel. It's one of the things they can select from. Yeah, I don't know how you guys had your video stores, but obviously like Black Lives Matter didn't really have like an anime section. Hollywood video sometimes would, but then obviously like the really small local the local rental places would have like their own anime section. And then if you went to like Asian markets, like Asian grocery markets, they might have a video rental section with just like this sliver of movies for kids. But a lot of it was just like, you know, yeah, it was hard to find anime back in the day. And my brother would bring it from San Diego from college back up to like my hometown. And that's how we got so much anime. It's like the Hanukkah card section to target during December. So there's a small sliver next to all the Christmas cards. I get it. Yeah, friend of the show, Tall Ken is a big anime guy. And during college, we went to college together. He he he had a few friends they like watch Naruto, but it would be in like blocks because that's such a long running show. So like every now and again, they would get like a new block of Naruto to watch and I'd be like coming over on Friday to be like, Hey, what are we doing? And he'd be like, can't do anything tonight. We're watching not do that was a couple of my colleagues, roommates. Yeah, a couple of roommates that they were into Naruto. Now they would they would like pirate it to get it as early as they could. And that's what that's what they were essentially they're just like getting like a big chunk of it told just watch so they could yeah, keep up with the what I assume is a story that eventually ended. So yeah, I did get I did have a quick my freshman year in college. I did have a quick spin of getting into Dragon Ball Z for a bit. Because my friend was like, dude, you gotta watch this song at this time. It's like insane cliffhangers and stuff. And I got drawn in for a few weeks or so like this is on like every night. And they do like two or three episodes in a row. And it's like, Oh my gosh, this nuts. And then I just fell off real quick on it. It was like a quick flash of the pan. And that's that error. That's what like passed me by because I like I mentioned like, how would cowboy be bug got me into things? But like, it's not a matter of a disinterest. It's more of I feel like my mind just felt overwhelmed by the amount of stuff. So like, if you give me a Dragon Ball or Naruto or any number of things and Pokemon just seem to appear like overnight and everyone knew about it except me for whatever reason. But like, I worked at Toys R Us when when Pokemon started taking off. I was that Burger King. There you go. And we had those those kids meals with the the things and we got stormed. That's all I knew with the show from them. Like, we're going to know how it just became like a WB kids show that I just for whatever reason, I only watched Batman or been whatever else I wanted to watch and didn't like that that just passed me by. So like, I was happy to like eventually catch up the stuff I did because I like the stuff that I like, but they're like the wave of things whether it's due to accessibility or what it's also just I couldn't like get in like I want to get in from the ground floor and I couldn't find myself doing that. And so it's like a lot of the lot of the anime is intimidating to just like get in like, where do I jump in? What do I do? And I would say Pokemon hit a great wave of being very cooperative with a lot of the fads other fads at the time because Pokemon comes out and it immediately fits like card game stuff because they have like magic, the gathering being popular or stuff like that. It fits the pogs thing going on and it also hit the digi the digi pet thing. So they were hitting like all these different angles or areas of of like collector things and being a part of it right away as well. There's also of course what Yu-Gi-Oh. Yeah, that's it. But that happened back into I do have a funny side note that I forget to mention with Ernest with go on. Do you know when Ernest got his start? How it happened? Yeah, so not his start, but like how things elevated with him. So I know about his commercial work. Like I read his the keeper of the clown. I read the the John Cherry wrote a book and then as Matthew wrote a book. So I read those. So in 1985, I had to look it up to make sure my head was straight. 1985 at the Indianapolis 500. It was the theme that year was the wonderful world of Disney and Mickey Mouse was the grand marshal of the of the race. And so they had the parade that they have and Mickey comes out, you know, waving first car, whatever cheers, whatever. The next car behind Mickey was some cheap thing with a Jim Barney and Ernest gear on top of it. Not a convertible, but like literally on the hood of a car, like the top of the car, like it was supposed to be a convertible. And the place like went nuts roared like I did Mickey and like Katzenberg and Eisner are in the crowd. And they and and cats and Eisner looked at Katzenberg who was just appoints to head and said, okay, we need to do something about that. And then they made Ernest goes to camp. I want a character and I want to play Slinky Dog. He gave me those things immediately. Yeah, they did a commercial one time where Verne was rude to him for Christmas. He wouldn't let him in the Christmas party. And people rebelled and wrote thousands of letters. So they filmed a commercial really quick for New Year's where Ernest gets revenge on Verne by throwing like a pie in his face. Like just to appease people who are so angry about Ernest. It was fun because he was basically a lot like white trash Peewee. Let's basically what this says. Yeah. Um, but that earned a scared, stupid, wrecked it. It does make contract. Right. Yeah. Oh, it's a good story. I love her. Yeah. But yeah, it was the 8500. Like he out like Mickey ballast, he was out cheered at the Indy 500, which is the greatest spectacle in race. It's like one of the biggest sports events on the globe, like millions and millions and millions of people in one place stay in this thing. So it was like, he was it wasn't just like, Oh, local Indiana, like him. It's a global thing. So like people from all around the world were familiar with Ernest. My man, pure Bulgarian me. I have a question. Uh, Tombow, the, uh, when the glasses, the friends slash, I'd be, do we call it love interest? Like the friend of, uh, for the guy who's definitely crushing on Keke either out this movie. Yeah. He's coming in, coming in hot on her. Yeah. Is it coming in too hot? That's my question. Is he? Is he? Is he? It's a voice performance. It's a voice performance kind of adds to it. Like you could perform it in a different way that it doesn't feel like that. I don't think on paper it is. Thank you. He likes her, but he also is like, Oh, we got this cool, which be part of our club. I can see that. Cause like I, the animation to be yet suggests that it's lesser than what's being given to it. He also is very feminine legs. So I throw that out there also. He wears those shorts and it's like, all right. He's European, man. I was, I was like, that tracks. Yeah. And this movie does a great job of balancing an overall narrative while being like three separate vignettes stoned together as one story. Yeah. Cause you've got, you've got like this little bit about, you know, switching the cat out, you've got later ones as well. Like it feels like there's like, okay, we've got segment A, B and C, they're going to have their own free act structure, you know, free act structure to them. And then, but overall, we have our own thing as well. Yeah. There's like an adventurous narrative taking place for showing her misadventures within the city during her first year on the job. And they give you different states of where her character is, right? Because she's still optimistic at the, at the outset, in the middle, like the boredom is setting in along with some doubt than the third act. Yeah. And then it's, then it's a matter of she has to rebuild herself, essentially. I gotta say, like, I might just stick to, like, if these ever get upgraded to 4K, I might just be okay with my, like, blue. They look great. Like, I don't know what else you would do. I feel like they would dim a bit with the 4K. I know grain would go up a little bit. I don't, because it's 2D animation, like, those can and can't make a difference, but the only difference, I would think it would saturate the colors to a degree with that would they would dim a bit more. If I could say, like, a side by side that, like, be helpful to make a better determination, but yeah, I agree with you. Like, there's not these, what helps is that Miyazaki is very, persnickety about all his stuff, and he has the rights, and he knows what he's doing, and they remaster these things all the time, and Disney takes good care of them also. Like, they're preserved very well. So, like, there's only so much to do. Yeah. Shop factory. Shop factory, also very protective of the, you know, because that's where the home video license lies with that now. And then most of them are streaming-wise, they're on max. And there's what crunchy roll, that's the anime. Yeah. Which, I think it bossed the other one. Didn't it buy the other one out? They just buy the anime. Yeah. And there's been some problems with things people bought on Funimation, not transferring over. Yeah, that happens. Yeah, we don't have to honor that. But yeah. One thing I like about Kiki is she puts in the work. I feel like a little bitches and movies. They just, they're lazy, and they just have their wand, and they're like, hey, clean the dishes. And then, like, I don't even, like, here, fly me here. Like, there's, here's a portal. Like, they never walk. Like, this port is on a broom. Well, the Kiki- The wood stuff is so nonchalant. Yeah. Yeah, like, yeah. It's a world where people are just like, oh, that's one of those witches. Yeah. Yeah. Fair housing earlier. Yeah. This is very potter. They'd be like, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo. Like, she's just like, I had to carry this wood. Like, I respect Kiki. Yeah, I can fly a broom and listen to my cat. Like, that's, that's, I'm a witch. That's the other thing. I mean, in the Kiki Legacy sequel, she'll, she'll be really, you know, she'll have all the power. She'll never do anything. I mean, this, this exists in a similar kind of world of, like, the natural world as, as Harry Potter, but it's. Yeah, there's just not a, there's not a natural. Yeah. There's not a hidden world underneath the, you know, the barriers. No, I'm more talking the. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's no, and it's like, I don't know. It is because like what were her parents, witchy powers or whatever, you know, like, um, I did think, I'll tell you how I'd attach it. Like her dad for a minute when I was first watching this, I was like, Oh, is this where the meme of the guy with the butterfly comes from? Cause he was looking like that guy. And I was like, and it is not. No, that's how I'd attach I am with anime. I was like, Oh, is this where I'm going to see like where the butterfly meme came from? It's not, it's not. But it doesn't even look like the guy apparently, like, I was like, Oh, what was I think? I think just like the his overall like idea of what he looked like, suggesting that to me. That's fair. I mean, like the grandma's here, they look like characters from other Miyazaki movies. I mean, there's, there's, you know, it's not, it's like watching Pixar films and saying all the humans look alike because they do this. I mean, it's just a natural way they draw and design these characters. Dumbledore would just been like loop with that light and a candle would have popped up. Like, yeah, putting the work in. I mean, you get a good tip. You know, he's not exactly super, super spry. You can't just be pulling out the ladders all the time to predumbled or to climb up there. His 90 year old body. Just tough if you're a witch and you're like, you know, you have kids like, Hey, go do the chores. They're done. Like, you're like, Oh, awesome. Hey, Mo the lawn did it. Well, she come, well, that's part of the movie, right? She comes from a traditional background where, you know, kids have chores. And also she's, you know, she's a witch when it's like, oh, she doesn't fly. Like, you doesn't really have a lot of powers as a witch. Yeah. There's no vacuum cleaner. She rides or anything. Correct. There's no vacuum cleaner. That's right. This is really random, but I've only had a few jobs that like, legitimately made me talk to myself and kind of feel like I was losing my mind. And the guys at fandom, I don't know, you know, Spencer over there, who does like the, that they assigned me to watch all of Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball GT and Dragon Ball Super, and I pull all of Vegeta's stats. So I counted every time he yelled, all of his power ups, every time he insulted his family, his win lost record. And I was on crunchy roll for what felt like most of my life, like, yeah, I'll lay you go in bed at 11 with three serieses. And I knocked, I feel a deep, deep bond with Vegeta now. Like, I just, like, I feel like he and I are our best friends going through all of that. But that was like, that's the only way I think I could have ever watched Dragon Ball Z. Like, I couldn't just be like, I'm going to go watch all these hundreds of episodes in my free time. Like, I got paid to do it. So it's kind of nice just going to his scenes and like watching all of it. But I definitely was talking to him. I was muttering to myself. I got to get you an award. This is one of the few jobs, but it was a good gig. But now I know all about the Dragon Ball Z and I love Vegeta. So like, there you go. This is the deep end of what you're just talking about, Mark, where Kiki is delivering a package in the rain holding on to this thing while fine and broom, but still like she's doing the work. Yeah. He's going being put through it to get this job done because she, you know, what for one thing wants to, but also it's a, you know, it's a necessity of what's required of her, right? And she's going the extra mile to make sure it's done properly. And it results in this where she has to interact with the snooty cat and snooty woman and all that. Yeah. Harry Potter just would have been like zipped that then over there. I like it. You think she just has the one outfit or like she's dug funny and has like a closet full of those those outfits. Doug funny style. You think his Doug funny style? Yeah. A very common reference point that we all know. Right. You're 13. You can wear the same thing four or five times. I know. He's just, he's doing a lot of work at it, but she doesn't exactly, you know, she's not exactly rich here. So. Babish did an episode where he cooked that pie that they were just talking. Oh, YouTube tie in when she becomes quail man. Well, that's what's a winner winner later. That's the other day because it goes a little bit. Yeah. To a film theory about this. Do they have an everything wrong with Tiki's delivery? I'm sure they do. I'm sure it's really well. Two brooms don't fly. Talking cats. I'm sure it's really well researched. Oh, look at this guy on down. Tombow. He's looking at the work. He's putting, he's putting in the work too. Yeah. Good job, Tombow. Tombow boys by Matthew Lawrence and the American pope. Oh, whoa, whoa, no, that's Joey. Matthew was the one that was a child of divorce and Mr. Sapphire. Matthew was the one who was in the movie David, where he played a child, who's the son of Bernadette Peters and John Glover. They were having a separation and trying to get a divorce. And John Glover says, Hey, shows up at school and say, Hey, I'm going to take you to Disneyland. We're going to Disneyland. He's like, okay. And he takes him to a hotel and then like burns a hotel with him in it. He's a maid for TV movie. Just to play that. I talked to John Glover about it. You're about it. I had to watch it in my school like two or three times. And I'm like, he was like, you know, I actually wrote all my lines for that movie. I'm like, he did. He's like, I haven't talked about this since like, we made it. I was like, yeah, David was on set every day. His mom was there with him. And he's like, the director was a friend of mine and he hated a script. And he's like, John, just rewrite all your lines, please. So I wrote my lines. He's like, why would they show that to you even once in school? Like, I don't know, it was in health class. And he's like, he's like, he was like, wow, he's like, do you still have in contact with your school? I'm like, no, he's like, I'd love to know why. And then we changed, we changed Instagram and for information, like, because that's how he likes to talk to people. And I was like, I'm not going to look. I'm not calling my school. He's like, all right. All right. Hey, that's interesting. The director of David is John Airmen, who also directed part two of roots. Got an Emmy nomination for that. Do you do any earnest movies? Let's see here. Roots to the quickening. Well, let's see. No. Who's the answer to that question? Oh, man. He's being no Billy Rutz. Let's see. There's a lot of TV. Yeah, it's all TV movies that he directed. David, David, did you do that? So there's another one they showed us a lot too, with Meredith Baxter, Bernie, that was like a bulimia or movie where she, she went to a place like a fast food place and she ordered a shitload of food and they get up to the window and they're like, what, man, where are all the other people? She's like, give it to me now. And she like, wolfs it down. Yeah. I can't remember what that was called, but we watched it multiple times. I have no idea. Like I told you, we watched the great escape to Aaron in my school for some. I have no idea why hung over teachers. The one we got right. Yeah. The one at a time they got it right. As they like to say with great escape too. I had a teacher come in one day and I could tell he was just off it. And he just put on, we didn't start the fire and he's like, pick one of these and write a, write a paper. So we had to pick one of the things he said and then go write a paper about it. And then he was just sitting at his desk. Hey, all of you. So that's, we never watched. Little wild Tejans. Little wild Tejans we've got on from Matthew Lawrence. And there's another little one too. There's three Lawrence's. Oh yeah. And they're all involved in Moneyplane, of course. The Andy Lawrence directed Moneyplane, Matthew Lawrence and Joey is in it longer. Is my man TJ in that? Who? Sorry. Tom's Jane. Yes. Yeah, Tom Jane is definitely, if you hear the word Moneyplane, you got to assume Tom J is probably at it. Tom Jane's in Moneyplane, but he's not the best thing in it, which is, of course, Kelsey Grammar as the rumble. Joey Lawrence also in Urban Legends Final Cut with Anson Mount, who I'll get him in next weekend. Mark, I'll say right now, if there is a deep Lucy, the podcast episode for Moneyplane, I will be on that episode. Well, you know, Thomas Jane hates deep Lucy, so I want to get him on for a movie he likes. And we wouldn't, we don't even have to talk about deep Lucy. Okay. Get him on the mist. The punisher. Yeah, he loved bad things about them because he'd be like, I like making it, but they didn't want to make more of them. And he'll get on and angry about it. I had a friend, he had Thomas Jane on episode one time, and he started randomly talking about the Predator movie that he was in. And that was the first anyone had spoken about it. So like his episode hit huge because he didn't say much about it, but he said a few things were like Thomas Jane, like all these articles, quote, Thomas Jane speaks on the printer. It was the beans on the Predator. Yeah, it's not good. Oh, sorry. Better than Requiem. I had a fun time. They made me wear shoes. It was okay. Keegan's a cool guy, period. End of sentence print. The check cleared. Sterling's good in it. There's lots of good stuff in the prayer. It's just not great as a movie. I had fun with it. That middle section when Tom Jaden, but that middle section when it's just those loony guys, that's the meat. That's like the same black stuff. They're like, this is what I came to see. Not our greatest actor, Jacob Tremblay, walked around with a Predator mask on his face, like going around trick-or-treating. He's so cute. Adorbs. I love him. This stuff right here, or it's just like she's just walking. Like there's not a lot happening with me. He's like, yeah, let's just journey with her. It's just cool. Like it's just. Because they draw the city so well. Yeah. Like, you know, that's part of it. This is like, you know, a movie that I thought was solid, but not like Luca. Luca, that was a fruit. Yeah. Because I just loved it. It's number one of 2022. It's right. I love just looking at the city. It was awesome. Oh, yeah. Luca. So much. Luca very much feels like a Miyazaki film. Like it very much has that going for it. Yeah. We have sea creatures, so I love it. And it has sea creatures, obviously, yeah. Just like, I mean, like, I don't know why, but like movie shot in like Italy. I could just like. Oh, yeah. And ool at the I just like that. It's something with the architecture, or the way it has worn and aged. Like, because there's a call me by your name, Jesus. Anytime they're bicycling through the city, it's just, oh, just stop. Let me look at this. Like, yeah, yeah, it's like, it's the same. But also just the fact that the filmmaker is a talent. Like, there's just something. I've talked about this before, too. Like, it's something like between that or like, yeah, a lot of them. Argento gets it down good. Exactly. Yeah, like, it's, it's just like, there's, there's an aesthetic that that's not captured the same way when like somebody comes in to film, to film Italy. And it's like, I don't know what that is. It's like, it's not like cameras are wildly different, but there's just something about how the cinematography is being handled. It just works so well. Or I just like eat the scenes because it looks so amazing. Like, what Abel Ferrero knows, New York, when you watch that. No, you're not right. Yeah, that's exactly. I mean, like Michael Mann knows LA. Like, there's just ways they shoot these things that just don't, like, register the same when others kind of do it. In New York, you know, so many people come from New York. So it's like, you know, there's a lot of different ways to interpret New York. Like, I've never been to New York City proper, but I have a great idea of what it looks like in a variety of different perspectives. Yeah. I mean, I just watched Lidulos today, the Melville movie. And there's like just shots. And there's like a guy just standing at someone's door waiting on them to answer. But the way he gets the line of the housing and streets, it's just like, oh, this is cinema. It looks really good. Yeah. Because I love seeing like black and white Paris, like in older movies. Like, it's really like that's like Rafi-fi, for example. It's just like, I love just seeing these things. But then I look at something like my favorite example of this is like midnight in Paris, where Woody Allen is very purposely not shooting the tourist stuff. It's just shooting Paris, like even just recently watching Richard Lindkler do hitman, where it's Louis, it's New Orleans. But you're not like in the main streets of New Orleans. You're just like in New, you're in like the town of New Orleans. Like, yeah, just yeah, it's like to live there. And I say, so like Roman holiday with Weiler that that's pretty good for now. Which is, which, yeah, for being black and white when it didn't have to be. But it's like, yeah, I decided to want to do it this way. Yeah. I think that influences a lot of travel, too. Like, just to use the... Oh, for sure. Oh, yeah. You know, I know a lot of Tokyo Drift wasn't filmed in actually Tokyo, but I... You shut your mouth. That's actually... I applied for a job and I got it to go work in Japan because of that movie. I was like, I got to get there. So I got a teaching job. And then the weekend before I left, the company went under. And they're like, you can still go out there. And I'm like, why? Like, I don't know. You've got a ticket. Just go, Gaijin! Fast cars. And then I went and got a job in Korea, South Korea. Like a month later, because they had another work on a murder mystery case with... Yeah. Well, no, I just... You know, I watched the hosts and I would just go by the river there. You'd just go by the river and pour from out of high day to take one day. One day, one will... A nematode will jump out at me. Scott Wilson, I will make this happen. It doesn't make you want to travel and see it and like... Yes, pretty sure. I had a friend she lived in South Korea and she says like, really fun, awesome, but you could like lose track of time and all of a sudden be 60 there and like, oh shit, like I haven't done it in my life. I did one year very purposely. I took my GRE out there and I was like, one year, it was a good. I saw the friends out there who are, you know, doing... Yeah, like 20 years... She didn't get to watch like a... One of the Avengers movies getting shot out there and she was sending me pictures of it. That was pretty cool. The end game scene where they all go for barbecue. It was pre-end game. So the identity war is here where they all go for barbecue? I think they shot something to Ultron there. I think that... I'm sure it's Ultron for sure. Yes, yeah, it was that Chase where they try to rescue Black Widow. Yeah, it's on the electric motorcycle and all that stuff is happening. That city's a lot. It's a lot. Do you remember that scene in Infinity War? They all went to get Korean barbecue? Oh man, one of those guys looked such scams. I still want to get out there and to Japan and see the salamanders. Like that's like one thing I always wanted to get up there in the up in the mountains and see that. Say this, clarify, there are salamanders in the mountains of South Korea. I'm planet Earth. Like that thing rocked my world when I watched it. The show plan like, okay, yes, I'm on planet Earth, I'm with you so far. You have the show planet Earth got it. There's like these salamanders that get up like six feet long, eight years old. And they're just gorgeous. Like hearing the, you know, Attenborough's narration, the music and like... I was like, I got to get out there. So I was planning on taking a trip up there for like a weekend when I was working to go see them. But then the job went under. So I still have unfinished business with those salamanders. Korean salamanders. No, no, Japanese. Oh, Japanese, that makes more sense. I was like, I got to go see those things. Japanese did first thing on the list. Japanese giant salam. These things were huge. Oh, boy. So I don't know why, but that hit me hard. And I was like, I got to do like small kaiju. Yeah. I mean, they are water creatures. Yeah, I was like, watch out for this appeal to me. It was like Angiras' cousin. So Kiki's delivery service was released on my eighth birthday in Hong Kong. There you go. Wow. There you go. Pretty awesome. It was the first Ghibli phone to be successful upon initial release. Ghibli makes for what they are expensive movies. And, you know, not all of them are always like... You make money in the long run for some of these movies. This is the first one where like they just blew up. It was at the time, 31 million. I mean, that doesn't sound huge, but still that's, you know... Wait, in the 90? That's for 89 in just Korea. Yes. Perch Korea, come on. The Korea's on the mind now. In just Japan. Yeah, it did the job. Yeah, the Disney dub, it's made in '97. It comes to home video. It did these at like, I think the Seattle Film Festival. But then it comes to home video in '98. It's the eighth most sold blockbuster video title of all time. Wait, what for it? Yeah. People fucking loved renting Kiki's delivery service. I remember the ads because I didn't see the movement. I remember seeing the ads all the time for Kiki's delivery service on TV. Like it was a huge deal as far as like kids stuff to watch at home. I don't know if I know what the total numbers are, but I'm sure they're pretty high as well as far as rentals. I bet kids rented these over and over. Oh, yeah. You couldn't buy them. I don't. The only thing I could buy was sweet neat little Nemo's "Daventure Subruland". That's what I owned. Like a real thing. The used VHS maybe. I came in. I had multiple. I had multiple, no, I had multiple. I had clamshells for little Nemo. Lion King, D to the Mighty Ducks. Beauty Beast, Aladdin. These key clamshells that I had. I mean, you can still check in. And the clamshell does its best to like unanimate the shit out of this movie. Like it's trying, but you can, so this still goes for like about $5 to $20 on VHS for a used copy. Mark, I didn't have Dunstan checks in. I did have monkey trouble. Good. Cause Harvey Keitel is a respected figure in this household. But not Faye Dunnell. Apparently. Can we, Ruben Ruben? Paul Rubens? Yes, he is. He's Alexander. Paul Rubens in like the, the precursor to Christopher Walken and Mouse Hunt. As far as getting big actors to hunt down the title character. Oh, yeah. I knew that movie started something. Dunstan checks in. Yeah. Well, the one that eventually he checks in. That's the key to that movie. Jason Alexander, I believe has hair in that film. I think that's part of it as well. It's like not a hair piece. It's just like, no, he's a character that has hair. That's not, that's what he's playing. I got to make sure there's a pretty sure though. He has like, he has hair, but that's a big, very noticeable Dunstan. Did you have Andre? Oh, he does have hair. He has a lot. Oh my God. So much hair. Where's this picture? We've had some epic side quests on this commentary. I'm just Kiki's delivery service guy in there. Well, you know, it's like, you just exist with this movie. You're kind of living with it. So it's, well, like, here's another great, like, I'm happy point. I got all the scenes where nothing happens. Because here she just like falls down in her bed tired. Like, I feel shitty. I don't want to do anything. I just want to like lay here for a while, which is one of the most relatable things I've ever seen in an animated book. But you know what? I think what's great about people discovering this now. So like I grew up in, you know, 90s, 2000s. No one talked about mental health. Like if you were a kid, bringing it up to like shut up, like much Tom Green. You know, but, you know, nowadays, like you watch all the videos on YouTube. And it's like, if you go on YouTube and just look this movie up, because I was, I just wanted to get some refreshers. There's a lot of video essays about like dealing with burnout and stress. And like, like a million plus views, 400,000 views. Like there's an audience out there who like really connect with this movie. And how would it like combat burnout and stress and like identity? And it's cool. Like I think this is a great movie to discover now, because you could actually probably talk about it and not be told to go watch. You know, single out. I, Chris Hardwick. I know exactly the time period. I can't wait till liquid television comes on tonight. You're going to watch it on Flux later. To the benefit of anime that they were far ahead of, I think, on anyone else is they didn't let, because it's animation, stop them from being the story it was. It was just, oh, well, that's the avenue we're going through to tell the story. We want to tell it. So people have like, human, I mean, they have anime just has shows. They're just like high school shows. There's nothing fantastic about it. There's, it's just literally instead of filming people, we drew them, you know? And I think they're far ahead of the curve, probably still. Oh, for sure, because that's, yeah. Because it's just, and they manage to balance this stuff you can do with animation and being just this ground, you know, ground as it can be with things. Like, well, that's the, that's the big thing that Brad Bird's talked about in the, I believe the Iron Day, like the big documentary of the Iron Giant, where Disney literally had like, they call them, I think, like the seven dwarves, is like these, the, the old guard of animators that had like very specific rules on how those animated films should work, where they should always be things motivated by fantasy or nothing. That would be real, right? That was, and Brad Bird was like, but I want to do things that are real that take place in a reality. And that's why he griped with them and moved on to Warner Brothers eventually before eventually coming back to Disney. But yeah, you're exactly right. Animate very much is operating at a level that's not the standard. And the standard girl, the most part outside of like what? Looney Tunes and Hannah Barbera is Disney, right? Disney's the four barifers so much of this kind of stuff, but it, the Disney's a very much a fantasy first kind of animation studio, where this is not, I mean, we just, we already referenced graver of the fireflies, graver of the fireflow, which is, you know, that goes so hard in a different direction of what you can do with and not just like, you know, like heavy metal, like R-rated animate, but I agree with the fireflies, that's a PG movie. You know, it's not, it's not, it's not trying to exclude the audience. It's trying to welcome anybody in, but operate on a level that's depicting a harsh reality, but meant for all to engage with in some way. Even with the CG animation, they are closer, but still far away, like with stuff. Which is weird to think like the spider, you know, movies about Spider-Man going through different dimensions, feel more authentic in emotional grounding than most movies when it comes to CG animation. Yep, and I want to credit again, Miham does, I think, it gives a relatable teenage characters voiced by teenagers, despite the fact that they're giant mutated turtles. Right, but now they go to school. So it's cool, you know, it's the same, it's, it's, it's shame. They think they're doing something with Transformers, and I just, I don't see it. So I mean, the, the early word is good. That's what I'm, that's what I got to go on. Sure. Yeah, I will eat crow, but, and, but, yeah, we'll see. Hey, you watch these movies when you were younger, like, yeah. Did they help you process anything? Like, did you, do you now? Not really. I mean, like, as we discussed earlier, I think that there's a lot of, there's a lot of weight as you get older, and you can kind of like, whatever it's like, like just her being depressed at her job, and just the weight of, of burnout. But I also kind of juxtaposed this against all the anime, or the Disney animation that I was watching growing up to, like, whether it be The Lion King, or, you know, Jungle Book from the 50s, 60s, and everything else. And I never really kind of, uh, consciously. Yeah, kind of just like had that, that thought about, you know, what was happening in all the other jazz. But, you know, um, it was just visually fun to look at. And it kind of just, uh, I, because of my exposure to anime in general, like, it was just longer than a 20 minute episode of Ranma, or like, you know, a 20 minute. Ranma half? Yeah. Ranma one half. Yeah. One half, man. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. I know that one. Um, but in general, uh, I think that the approachability of it is still very high, like, where we've all been discussing this whole entire time. Um, and, you know, whether you wanted, uh, never watch it again, and kind of just go away with, like, your original feelings. I think that's totally valid too. Yeah, I mean, if you're, unless you have, like, specific things that you're going, you know, you know, no one, everybody has things that happen. But, like, not necessarily registering what a movie like this, or Totoro, or any, that Castle has got any number of them when you're younger, I wouldn't say it's necessarily, like, not having an effect on you. But it's part of your growing process, right? Like, it's not, you're not, like, like, I mentioned consciously, like saying that, finally, a movie that's speaking to me, but you can watch something like Kiki and have a, have a point of view that, like, maybe reflects aspects without being, like, definitely this is my life right now. Like, there's, there's something to that, I think. I think these are good too. Cause like, you know, I wasn't a kid who's dad, my dad wasn't a king who got killed, and I had to go live with some animals and come back and... You lied to me about that, sir. Like, whoa, you might want to take your face with bio. And it's like, but you watch these, and I feel like they're so much more accessible. Like, they're so much more, you know, it's crazy. One of my first animated experiences where I was like, "Man, this, this is gnarly." Like, when I got like, that song, "But Hunchback from Notre Dame, Notre Dame." When that guy sings that Hellfire song, we were just like, "Yo, this lady won't get with me, so I'm going to burn her." Like, I want her to burn. And you're just listening to me like, "Man, this guy's bad. Like, this guy's scary. Like, this is corrupt." Like, I remember having that like weird, like, I'm like, "This is, this is pretty heavy." Right now, that was like one of the first things I've ever learned. I'm not saying this is heavy, but like, that was kind of like, I guess I was just so used to not that. So I just so, I still specifically, I went and got the CD. Cause I'm like, "This song's crazy." But maybe it was just something a little adult that I saw when I was younger, that I was like, "Man, like, I understand this." And you kind of like, I don't know. I don't know what you're saying. Cause I'm trying to think of like the animated films that I watched the most, but like, did I really like connect with them because it was anything more than just boys adventure, which most of them, you know, frankly are when it comes to like Aladdin or Lion King or what have you like. I mean, I don't know if anyone, any number of them did like, something to maybe give me something cool to like pretend to play as like, you know, I have a magic carpet or I'm flying on a golden eagle from the rest of us down under a course, like any of those things. Mary Houté. I got a question. Yeah. Is this thinking about? Is it why Ursula rocks? Okay, I have another question. What do you think the influence with like anime and stuff is, the responsibility like Nintendo having on it? Because Nintendo had a lot of stuff that was just like, I mean, that was just their, you know, their freaking style of animation stuff. But you get stuff like Ninja Gaiden or River City Ransom or Mega Man, if those are familiar and that's very heavily anime influenced. I'd argue even like Star Fox was like a big like anime influence in there. The way it's doing stuff. But like, there's also like, because I was just thinking about Google 13, which I had never watched as an anime, but I played the video game and then there's the Sunnichiba movie that's like a video game adaptation of it. But I think it might have been a manga too, but I know they had like, I think they had a cartoon, but like just think about stuff like where I'm taking it in that way, but I haven't watched the anime at all. I just played NHLPA93 and you could make people's heads bleed. The most anime possible. That's what that's what Vince Vaughn is constantly talking about in Swingers. Like, how much he loves anime. It's so money. It's a good question, Brad. I no doubt because of just the nature of building art/media within Japan that I imagine there's runoff as far as between the two of them, especially as video games become more prevalent in the 90s compared to the 80s and so on and so forth. I like beyond just mentioning games that remind me of anime directly reference, what creators were inspired by what not offhand. We're just getting into our culture and becoming. I have no doubt that there's a level of being synonymous with one another to a point when it comes to the influences or what they're working with. Like, Kojima is probably big on anime. It is certainly incorporating plots into some of his games or whatnot that reflect that kind of experience. I mean, it's really an observation, Brad. Because it's pretty obvious that the availability of these video games, not just because the games themselves actually visually seeing the 16-bit or 20-bit, but the manuals head off into it. Yeah, the manuals, the covers. That's why Aaron said finding Nemo or the little Nemo man. And I was like, "Oh, I remember that as a video game, because I didn't intend to power issue that got dedicated to that." And I remember saying, "I guess that was an anime." Yeah, so it's pretty cool to see that art there. If you remember, it looked very different from the game and it had a lot of style to it, but the final fantasy games, too. Yeah, totally. He's way cooler than when you play the game. JK depends, if you like Final Fantasy VII or not. But what I was going to say is that the internet has helped blow up all fan art, too. I knew people that you should draw notebooks, link or whatever the case might be. And my cousin's a really good artist, so he would draw a lot of comic book stuff. But still, when it comes to anime, I don't think that you could come across anybody who's in their late 20s, 30s that has at least tried to draw Dragon Ball Z hair. It's a bunch of different arches. Again, just the way that online art, fan art, has been able to be viewed by a lot of people is also, shows you the power of how anime is. Even when Luca came out, I was really excited to see all the fan art that came with it, because Luca obviously, this picks our anime 3D thing, but people would draw it in the style of Studio Ghibli, or people would draw it in the style of anything else and it was really fun to see. So yeah, I definitely think that video games definitely played a part just from an art standpoint. That was one of our earliest forms of pre-internet communication or learning about something from another country, because the internet opens up to where you find not only other people living in the United States that love it, but you can read about, you communicate with people from other places, get the recommendations, know even more, have databases now of stuff you probably didn't know existed, because back in the day with fake anime stuff, you probably have to be recommended. They'd have to have it at the video store, or somebody would have to tell you about something to find, and then good luck finding it, or you'd have to go to Suncoast, be like, "How much is that?" To import it? No thanks. That'd be in a special section at Suncoast too. They had, they had like their porn section, and then they had their anime section. Yeah, well, what was that the first one you said? Ron? Yeah, because they had that. I didn't know that you could custom order things from Suncoast. Oh yeah, that's all I got. That was a big deal. I was a letterbox. When I discovered widescreen letterbox, I would have to go to Suncoast at special order. You think I won the VHS, because they wouldn't have it anywhere. I also had a special order. Suspiria was not available on VHS, where I had to see that movie, and they special ordered Suspiria for me, so I could see it for the first time in the early 90s, because it wasn't a casually carried title or something like that, and none of the video stores had it for rental. It wasn't in the anime section. Yeah, I mean, it was hard. I had a special order like Evil Dead 2, and things that are now have a billion editions in the VHS days. Free Anchor Bay starting to get rights from everything was a lot more difficult than I think people know, especially if you weren't in New York, LA, places that house a lot of videos, and you were a kid. There was a really cool rental store that I liked back home, but they still didn't have everything. So, yeah, Suncoast being a place where you could special order, and they would give you a lot of times a decent price, because if you went to the rental stores, you had to go off what their pricing was, and it was like, "I'm paying 90 bucks for this." So, like, I came in in the DVD era as far as collecting film stuff went, and, yeah, Suncoast was still around for a little bit there, and that's where I got, like, the shadow for $25 on DVD. I remember one of the funniest ones, like, I went there, I got men in black, widescreen, and special order, from Zicos. Hey, good guys dressing plaque, remember that. Yeah, yep, they won't let you remember, but they will let you special order it on widescreen. But, yeah, so, like, I had all these- That's a big point. Yeah, so, like, yeah, because I collected VHS, but it was harder, because I was younger, didn't have as much money, and then, like, I was always special order, because I wanted the damn widescreen once. So, that was fun. I remember the scream, though. That was cool, because it had, it taught me about commentaries, because the widescreen was a two VHS one, and one VHS was the movie in widescreen, and then the other one was the commentary VHS. Scream had a commentary VHS? Yeah, and you could get the commentary pay-per-view. You could watch the commentary on pay-per-view. What? Because Miramagg's dimension, I once was getting into, like, the special feature game pretty early on, as far as, like, packing, because money. I don't know if you know this, but they like making money. Anchor Bay was doing it, too, so you'd have to get to the- they put, like, a VHS, a bonus VHS that had just bonus material, like, feature at the stuff, or you'd wait till the end of the tape, and see if they threw anything on there, too. Oh, but there it is. Yeah, pretty cool. We're talking over this stuff where Kiki's, like, lost her powers, and she's, like, dealing with, like, being a normie, and so, and we're now, we're going to enter into this, like, amazing climax, but it is neat to get this whole period, like, I mentioned Spider-Man 2, and not by, you know, just because of an easy reference weapon. I think there are very akin to what another, as far as you have characters that are just, really, going through it, emotionally, like, and they don't know how to handle the kind of, you know, the responsibilities and stakes that were, yep, that are being thrust upon them for getting into, you know, a contemporary society, and, like, what real-world challenges are, and whatnot, and, like, fine regaining that confidence, it's really interesting to watch, like, characters go through that journey, whether it be in a standard comedy drama coming of age story, or a superhero movie, or an anime movie, I mean, you know, it's, watching these, watching growth like that is, there, I mean, it's why movies like this, you know, stand out and continue to be watched, and my others don't. Because this is a huge fanbase, like, you go to Barnes & Noble, and, like, all those places, they have just so many collectibles for it, and they keep releasing more, and people adore this film. I don't know how many, like, original-related accidents there were that were something like this, but I can't imagine it's unique to this film. It has to be something like this that happened, right? As far as what? As far as, like, some kind of, like, blimp disaster, like, this taking place, like, this doesn't seem too far out of the realm of a possibility of taking place at some point history. Yeah, the rocketeer. Exactly, the rocketeer. I just know for movies, like, if, don't get in a blimp, something that's happened. Yeah, I can't think of a positive experience in a movie with a blimp. Well, it seems like there's no, like, how do you escape this? Like, it seems like there's no, like, win to this, unless you're Indiana Jones and have a plane attached to it. Like, what else are we doing here? But still, yeah, like, was that pleasant? Was that pleasant? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I would have no ticket because I wouldn't get on. Like, Nazi got thrown out the window. Yeah. What I love about the, like, let me take it to the steps here. I was watching this movie, and I was enjoying it for the first time when I was watching it. When I got to this whole sequence, my, like, it just, like, everything about what was happening raised in my, like, how, where, where are we going with this? The music has stopped the wonderful score by Hisachi, as always. And so, like, for the most part of this whole section, there's no score whatsoever. And now we're just doing with Kiki, like, I have no powers. How do I get my friend down from this thing? And the steps that are taken, I think, are just so, like, wonderful, because it's such a, like, a great build to, like, how does Kiki, like, get back to being the witch that can fly to ruin everything? And it's great. Like, it's so, like, I find this more thrilling than a lot of action movies I see, like, watch this whole sequence play out. All the steps that are taken to get here. And this was different from the book, because there was a clock tower, right, in the books, and then they switch it to this. But yeah, no, this is great. It's a B, Mario. Big, big must actually. Big must, yeah. Big must messages are must in Miyazaki movies. No, no, no, that Vincent Price bullshit, pencil thin. Like, right here, this is great. Like, finding what she needs to get the power back here. Like, you just realizing, I need to put all this stuff aside. I need to, I need to be able to fly right now. And not even on her broom. She got some Rando broom. Push broom. And like, it doesn't work right. Like, like, the flying stuff, like, right, you brought you the flying right away. This is where I think the flying is so fascinated because you get to see her, like, out of control, yet still steering her way towards what she needs to steer to. Yeah. And it's like, how do you make that work in animation? What position you think you should play in Quidditch? She's not a, she's not a seeker. I don't think she's a seeker. No, I'm talking about, she's got to be a seeker. She's not. She has. Look at this. Look at this handling. That's not seeker material. I mean, Harry Potter was, like, getting help from Smith and all this other stuff. Yeah. He's so, like, he still remained a seeker. Like, he had, like, the 8,000 thing. Yeah, the push broom. Yeah. Again, the depth on this hand-drawn TV stuff is incredible. Like it's like, oh, like, like, this is great. She's like Max or. Oh, my God. Yes. I would want to watch it. What's the, what's the, uh, Soren at Disney? Yeah. Like the Kiki's delivery service. That'd be great in Florida. But like, do Kiki's delivery service via Soren? That'd be amazing. Miyazaki is somewhere in one of these scenes, by the way. I've never found him in there. But, like, is that true? Yeah. He's his, his visage is drawn somewhere in one of these scenes. With the people panicking. I've heard top left during one of, like, the panicky scenes of people, like watching all this. Okay. I like the, like, I like how it's all, there's a realism to what's happening. Like, well, what would happen if I would crash to a clock tower? Like, well, yeah, break apart. Like, that's not helpful. Yeah. Hit it on the head with some concrete. Yeah. Yeah. He did. You got a bump. Definitely. I mean, she's seeking them out right now. She's doing pretty good. She's pushing. She's pointed in the direction of the giant blip. It's not like she's trying to raise her out. I thought of the, was it the snitch? Yeah. They called him snitch. You're gonna miss 12,000 and she'll get that thing quick. Exactly. When I see her on it, you can tell me, you can show me that guys calling it like it's like a game. Yeah. Got the headset on. It's, um, it beats the exposition from, you know, the main characters. Oh my gosh. It's crashing. That thing's filled with 30,000 tons of helium. Quick. Jump on it. The young boy has somehow managed to hold on. Get him, Kiki. You're telling me that she couldn't find a golden snitch here and you're, you're lying yourself. No, I don't think she can. Hey, look at that broom control. Even if she could find it, she's not catching it. I gotta imagine the push broom aerodynamics are bad. Like, that's, like, it's not a very aerodynamic. I mean, even on her own broom, she wasn't exactly the best flyer. She got to where she needed to go. That wouldn't say she almost, she ran to a bunch of birds. So yeah, but the wind. I hear the wind. Where is this? Quidditch doesn't care about wind. Quidditch cares about winds. She'd do it. Is that him? Yeah. She's some good training. Like she went and moved on her own for a year. You're adding on to what's not there? Like, if you want to ask me right now, do I think she could be a seeker? No. Do I think with training? Sure. Why not? I'm not against her. There wasn't an incredible secret in the beginning with. She's totally a Hufflepuff. He still got it because he's the chosen one. Like he'd eat that, like, that's, that's destiny. That's beyond my control. Look at this ticker tape parade. That's a pretty good room control. Yeah. She's falling with style, Mark. Get out of here. I can't do that. You should see me fall. It's horrifying. We got never pretty. Yeah, you're a dog. You don't let it your feet. That's all that. That's why you have all those backscarts. Every time I fall, it like looks worse than what it is. Everyone's like, you all right? I'm fine. But, you know, look, you look dead. Me, oh, rubber face, off my area. I'm good. Hey. I feel harping. I'm just a caveman. Cash. I don't understand this world. This is derelict olympics thing to his grade too. Did this have anything to do with, like, was that data production of small soldiers? What do you mean? I mean, small soldiers, I, well, because Kirsten Dunson and Phil Hartman, they're father and daughter and small soldiers. Yeah. I don't think so. I think it's more just... Weird coincidence. Any just availability of the kinds of stars they're looking for, right? You need someone, like, GG. You need, like, a comedian that can do a voice. And, you know, Phil Hartman's available. He's popular. Kirsten, we... How's Kirsten been? We need a plucky young girl, a new actress. Like, Kirsten Dun... Like, yeah, I think it just fits. 'Cause small soldiers, like, dreamworks, you know, so fun. Joe Dante. Yeah, like, it's just odd that they're, like, right here at the same time and... Yeah, it happens. That's why, you know, that's why Freddie and Shudier and Matthew Lillard were all of those movies together. Yeah. Here co-ins... You again! Combo, yeah. That, that died in a white combo that we can't stop talking about. Summer catch for life. Summer catch and cheese all that. Wing commander. Wing commander. Two Scooby-Doo's. Those guys. I love that cotton candy bit. I'm the cotton candy monster. If you put Matthew Lillard instead of Ryan Phillipe and I know what you did last summer, I might like that movie more. Tell you right now. I just want to note too that we're in credits right now. But we're watching full animated credits. Yeah. Like, nothing else except for like, the city, just what's going on. It's like, it's like a weird sequel. It's like, here's what happened next. It's like the opening to the sequel. And it's like, it's because Miyazaki's like, I'm bored with credits. Let me like, do something with this. So we decided to like, have credits. Like, have animated credits. Credits matter, folks. Sure. Yeah. I am a person who adores the art of the opening credits. Like, it's... Whatever, I mean, it didn't have to be like, a whole sequence or it's just how you shoot the opening while the credits are playing. Like, I think that's super cool. And I know that some people don't like it. I know the closing credits have been... The opening credits used to be for things, but... Did I watch the other... Sorry to both. I watched greedy people and that had a title drop 25 minutes in. I was like, oh, all right. Good job. That's why this is a good late credit drop in a movie. Yeah. They'd be good for the environment. Because brooms don't have much like CO2. Yes. We should replace cars with brew. That's what the Wizarding World is really about. Not of CO2 and animated movies. They all have a big credit scene. We have a big credit scene. Dear Mom, doing good. Thanks, Kiki. I can buy some time. I told you guys I had to figure out the CO2 usage in the Fast and Furious movies. Yes. That was a pretty big project. It killed multiple Redwoods. Yeah, it was a lot. No, my home. Mom, have you heard of this new coven called Bed X? To be continued. That's when she goes. She pivots to transport and she invents Uber. Yes. Yes. Debbie Reynolds. I forget. Debbie Reynolds is in this. Yeah. Dirty Debbie Went Reynolds. It's a place to call there. Oh, yeah. We didn't even say a thing about Jenny Grafler, did we? Ursula. Yeah. He's a good friend. Older friend. One of those older teen friends. We're a good movie. It is good. Yeah. And again, quite dense. Like that's like an hour and 37 minutes, but it feels like it's very like meaty. Yeah. You get a full meal out of Kiki's delivery service. Not just the bread. Not just the bread. Exactly. Not just a bread. The bread, the bread. It's in reference to her baking. The baking. Oh, I got it. I see what you're doing. That's just a good quote to live by for you. That just isn't a bread. I'll get that tattoo. Inside like a bread loaf. Inside of bread loaf. Got a little heartland dedication. He's only 50. I didn't realize he was that young. Oh my god. Yeah. I like it. You know, obviously it's a tragedy, but I didn't even realize he was that's out that he was only that old. Oh, what are we doing with our lives, man? I've been thinking about it. So I married an axe murderer lately. I think it's because of you. Because you guys are like, what's the best one scene performance in a. I did ask that. You've been to the horse railroad, man. No. So also Phil Hartman is. Phil Hartman's great. Yes. As Ricky. No. I think Michael Richards was funny too. Like just. That movie is chock full of like people pop up to a scene and walk away. Yeah. That was my ride home. Hey, I'm the Incense Devan. Everybody stop what you're doing with the Incense Devans. It's a good move. Need to go faster. No. No. It's obviously means we've reached the end of Kiki's delivery service in a film that rules. I was happy to talk about this film and more with you guys. But we should wrap things up. So Mark Hoppner, where could people find more of your work online? Maybe some of the flicks. Deeply see the podcast. I just came out with a film theory episode you can watch about minions not being dumb. Okay. So I figured out that they're not dumb. They were in an ice cave for 160 years. And they in Northern Russia and they still grew bananas. I mean, brilliant. It's pretty. It's pretty genius. Yeah. Oh, I'll throw out the genius word too much here, but fine. Oh, it's like an electricity. That's pretty good. Well, good. I'll look out for it for sure. Brandon Beaners. I figured out how to kill a Xenomorph. So I'm working on that. I'm sure the minions could figure it out a way. You just like, you know. All right, names would like the floor with. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, they would. You would want to see a face that could get out of minion, though, and pregnant it and then see where that goes. That's a new episode. I'm going to pitch that. What would happen? Well, time will tell. Brandon Beaners. We're going to have more of you online. You can find me at the BrandonPeterShow.com. Social media at Brandon4QHD. Current series summer of 2004 at 20 is coming to an end here soon. So keep up with that. After that ends, probably going to be some live shows from Pop Con Louisville, as well as Days of the Dead. They did back in those back in June. And then this coming October, I will be, I guess, at October 1st. Once again, that's October 19th. So yeah. Keep peeling my social media for updates and all things. Brandon Peter Show. Great. Hey. Remember, you can find more friends over at my instagram, abed@muhan twitter.com/explorstace #Kiki4Prez. Everything I do is at my sub-stack, the code is eat.substack.com, and all the socials at errandsps4. And yeah, you know, you could find all for all stuff. And all this pod guys are available. We could find podcasts. You can search for our out there. And you can find us at all the socials and all that as well. Great. Brandon, Mark, thank you both for joining us for this Kiki's Delivery Service commentary track. I did it. I did an anime. Always an honor. Talked about it. It's pretty good. For sure. Good for that. Next month. For one group, I'll stay up till 1 AM. Oh, geez. I honestly do appreciate that. We very much do. No, no, I appreciate the invite. And let's see. Next month is September. I have some ideas. We'll talk about this off here. But I got some cool ideas. That's going to do with this month's commentary. Thank you guys once again for joining us. Thanks for listening. Until next time. So long. And goodbye. [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [BLANK_AUDIO]