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Why would I sweat when I'm right? Ha! I better get up, get out and tune in to this podcast. This Pat's bit the truth, it's bit the real fact. Nothing but the ugly, classy, at the same time. Pat got the flavor, these are not the same line. It's the politics, she been on the real grind. It could be pretty with ugly at the same time. Just tune in, put your lock on the spin-down. Ain't no need for the waitin' turnin' up now. What you talkin' 'bout? It's real though. You gettin' no playin' like Nintendo. You wait to talk. Turnin' up, nothin' but the ugly. Straight off the tie. Everything she say, you know it's funny. Full of plans, this a taste of the future. Listen on your iPhone or your desktop, computer. Siri, tweet it. Ain't no way to beat it. Nothing but the ugly, turnin' up, it's on repeated. Hello. Hello. Morning. Okay. Is it morning? Not in the morning. For another hour. I guess. It's morning, it's over when you open your eyes. That's not how time works. I don't feel like that. When does the morning end? Whenever you say it. At noon. Well, like in radio, midday is nine. Nine to noon is your midday shift. Morning radio's up until nine or ten. Yeah, so it's evening. So it's evening at 11. Yeah. 05 am. It's evening to make shit. I don't feel like it's more. You can't... Whenever they... Whenever Chick-fil-A stops serving breakfast, the morning is over. I feel like that's a good... Yeah. 10.30. Yeah. I was in the airport on the way here, and I was there at 10.28, and I was like, "Can I get a chicken sandwich with pepper jack cheese?" Good. No. Breakfast stops at 10.30. Come on. Excuse me. Yeah. This is my child in the middle of a pocket. Why did you give me that old? Because this is the biggest country that I've ever cooked. Oh my. She got short arms. She got a... Okay, go. When did we get a straw to this? She found it. Who? Garrett. I know, Garrett. She's just going to have to deal with this. A glass straw? I don't want that shit. You were so bougie. So I walked up to 10.28 and ordered lunch, and they go, "Sorry. It's 10.30." And I go, "It's like two minutes." We just can't do it. So I stood and waited for two minutes, and then now I'm getting the chicken sandwich. Oh, okay. I thought you wanted breakfast. I was going to tell you. Give me what you got. No. You can order chicken sandwich any time of day. And not at the airport, Chick-fil-A. They didn't even take my points. Oh, no. They don't do that. Andy. Andy. Yeah. They don't do that anywhere. Who knows what's going on for food in the Atlanta airport? Lots of shit. They got so many goddamn restaurants. And it's none of it. They got more restaurants than terminals today. Uh-huh. You can take a bitch on a date to the Atlanta airport. I ate at one restaurant. I was like, "We're going on a trip, bitch." And then you gotta go eat, and then go back out the door. You can buy, you can buy one of them jet blues. Yeah. You have a purse. Now, you're yelling at me because we're turning the dings off on the audio. Why is this shit ain't ready? And there's a parade of children bringing things into you. Everybody knows the rules. The pat don't apply to her. Go get your room clean. Your toilet. Get finished to have room. So, I don't know what it is about kids and toilets. But they, motherfucker toilet stay stopped up upstairs. What? They toilet stay stopped up. And I'm like, "What are you motherfuckers flushing?" Okay, that makes sense because I woke up at like 8.30 and like 8.45. I hear you yell to Garrett. It's still stopped. I was like, "Well, if I wasn't awake, I am now." You mean the toilet stop. And then they just let it smell like an outhouse. That's it. What the fuck is this fucking ass male? Well, I was taking a shower. But they kept going up and down. It was freaking cool. What? Yeah. I was like, "Somebody here? The seat automatically and you walk in goes up and then it sprays itself." It cleans itself. It really don't. Yeah. It doesn't. If it's a turd, eat the bowl hard enough, it's stuck. We shared a shower this morning. No, we did not. Well, not at the same time. Oh, when you say it like that, that's what it sounds like. I had to go looking for the white shampoo again. Yeah. What white shampoo? You didn't use the dog shampoo did you? You get confused and she didn't put the wrong shampoo. My wife did say the other day. She goes, "White people when they're outside, they smell like wet dogs." Oh, y'all just getting that joke. The memo bin out. I was like, "Ugh, my boy smells." No, it was whatever was in your, whatever I used last time. So the shampoo in your hair salon. Oh, okay. I grabbed that stuff. Yeah. So he used Beyonce. Beyonce. I don't know. You put Beyonce. Okay. I see why you're so booty-licious. That's why he thought he took a shower with you. He booty-licious. Already just started singing for Kamala. Speaking of Kamala, we haven't said anything since she got the nomination. Mm-mm. Yeah. She's still on the back. We're going to need you to throw out some claps here. Yay! Kamala. I've got to ask you, was Kamala this exciting or was Joe Biden just that unpopular? Because it's like a light switch went on. She's up, as we record today, she's up 10 points. After the debate, Joe's stock really dropped because everybody saw it in real time. Like there was no hiding it, there was no editing it. Everybody saw it in real time. They're like, "Man, he's old." Yeah. This is what I think happened. Mm-hmm. The Democrats set up the Republican, so they knew, I think, this is just my, what, what's the word? That's the right word. Okay. That works. I don't think that's the right word. [laughter] This is what I'm-- Theory is what's the right word. It's the theology of the case. Yeah. This is what I think happened. I think Joe Biden was a pre-dimension before he ran the first time. Who do we talk to about you? Fuck. Fuck you. Fuck you, Chris. [laughter] I think Joe Biden was pre-dimension before he ran the first time, but he was like, "Well, he's going to take a while for your dimension to kick all the way in." Right. So, you could at least get through the first presidential term. And he had promised not to run for a second term. Yes. So, what happened was that by the time the fourth, they ran him so crazy that the dimension speeded up. And by the time his last, you know, we on our last leg of him, it was just dimension to mention the mention. Yeah. Sure, they put him back out and say, "We're going to see if the people are going to go for you." If not, we got this safety right here, and we're going to throw Camille in there. They knew Joe Biden wasn't healthy, but they just wanted to see how much we didn't want Joe Biden. And so, they came around with that curve ball that throw that home run and said, "Hey, she's 60. She ain't the old man no more." Yeah. I don't think she's 60, is she? She is... I know, I know. 59, I believe. 59. She look good, and she can battle with Trump, and to me, I think it was all a set up to see if we... I decided we was going to be about Joe Biden the second time. Well, I kind of agree with that because he didn't have... There's never been a televised debate before a convention. It's always in September, October, it's never that early. And that's why they... But it was a set up. That's why they did the convention early, to show you he was not... Because... Yeah. Okay. So, hey, Joe Biden... It just not ran... Oh, hell, with him. Yeah. No, we wouldn't accept the Kamala. So, Camilla... Kamala. Kamala. Kamala. So, I think... Edit that, please. We wouldn't accept the Kamala. So, I think they had to show us that Joe Biden was not healthy. It was a trick. 'Cause you just said it was never... It was... They said the Republican up, boy, like an arm rudder. I don't know. I think they were setting Joe Biden up. I think his own people saw how bad he was. No, he was a part of it. Yeah, they stabbed him in the back like it was a season back. We've talked about it for months... No, he was fucked up. Yeah. He was like, "Y'all better get me before I stop talking." But they couldn't get him to drop out because he's so stubborn. Because it... No, Joe Biden wanted to drop out, but he didn't want to drop out. I don't think so. And so, he could go out and look like a hero. "Joe, go home and go to sleep." He doesn't look like a hero, though. He looks like an afterthought after they pretty much told him, "We're taking this from you." They, you mean Nancy Pelosi? Yeah. The gangster of all gangsters? The Democratic... She's not a gangster. No, please. She's a... She had a pocket knife that they ran up in the Capitol. It's a knife to him, so hard. No, I just think they all had it planned. Joe Biden, we gotta make the people realize that you're unhealthy, and we're gonna tell you to sit down. And you're gonna sit down. Okay. We knew that the whole time, though. It's not like Joe woke up one day and was like, "Oh, we're not." But look, we didn't have anybody that was good enough to fill his shoes. Well, if you're saying Kamala didn't change from the day before to the day after, she's been the same person the whole time. There's a reason why... Honestly, I don't think we would have went for it. We had to show, for us to even pay Kamala in attention, because the vice president really don't get in attention. Yeah. So, for us to even believe in her, we had to show that Joe Biden won healthy, and that's our only alternative. Well, here's the risk, is that she was given a lot of responsibility early on in his presidency because they wanted him to not run and to transition to her, but she had so many poor interviews, and speeches, and execution that they lost faith in her. That's a dedicated woman. I ain't never had no poor interview in her. You really want me to show you a tattoo? Then why didn't she win the nomination when Joe was running the first time? Right. Y'all act like she's been this superwoman, this whole time. She hasn't. She's been weak. I think it's because nobody wants, they don't want to see a woman. Hillary was way qualified to be the first woman person. Agreed, yeah. She had the spirit, she had everything you needed. It was all because she was a fucking woman. No. I think we realized you don't need experience to be a president. You can be retarded. You can be a thief, you can be a pedophile. You can be anything and still be president. This idea that you need some type of political qualifications, that is so 2000s. We've learned in 2016, you can say you want to grab Pussy and become president. So this idea that she needs qualifications and all, that's horse crap. Donald Trump's the most unworthy presidential candidate of my lifetime, for sure. Yeah. So this idea that she needs to have some type of... She's been vice president for four years. She knows how it works. Yeah. I'm not saying that she wasn't qualified. I'm just saying with the whole thing with Hillary, they just didn't want her to be president. I think with Hillary, it was specifically because she wasn't a humble person. She thought that she just had it in the bag. And so she took for granted the swing states of Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania. And she didn't appeal to the white working class. They didn't think that they needed to. They just thought Republicans will get, they were running a race for 2012 or 2008. They were not running against a political force like Donald Trump, who changed the map of politics like he has in the last decade. Kamala is not doing that. That's why she picked him walls over. Like, if she had picked the governor of Pennsylvania, they would have won that state. And Trump would be done. But she took a risk on walls to pick up Wisconsin and Michigan and potentially Pennsylvania because he does appeal, I don't think he appeals to blue collar workers, but I think he appeals to like-- He definitely appeals to-- Suburban. Suburban. You know, I kind of heard of him a little bit, but I really like him. Because I started to like read upon him a little bit. I like what he did with the, you got to remind me to health care. Do you like the Derek Chauvin thing? The what? You called me about-- Oh, yeah, that sure did. How he changed the prosecutor to prosecute the guy who killed off-- He just stabbed. Who? Derek Chauvin. He stabbed by a Mexican inmate. Oh, no. Please stop. Anyways, thank you. Who gives a fuck? I was like-- didn't hit him right. But-- Oh, no. I liked a lot of things about him. And I was like, OK, she chose the right one. Did you see his taco recipe? No. He makes white guy tacos, it's ground beef and cheese, and Kamala goes, do you put any seasoning? And he goes, no. He says black pepper is like, spicy, it's still go. It was a little-- it's like so like cringy like-- His taco Tuesdays are terrible. A little cheese store. What are you? What are you? She was kind of funny because he goes white guy tacos, she goes, what, like tuna fish and mayonnaise. [LAUGHTER] She's married to one. That's true. And they probably put tuna fish inside my side. The taco. If she had picked Shapiro, like the thing is she can't help that she is kind of seen as this coastal elite type from California. So she picked like a Midwestern dad type that I think balances the message a little bit and makes him-- it makes it seem like this. This is a little bit more of a relatable ticket, whereas Josh appears like a social climber. He's not a likable person. He's kind of like Pete Buttigiegwarden when you watch him your life. Every day American doesn't need to relate to the president. That's not-- that shouldn't be a part of the qualifications for the job. Because we're never going to really pay him on shit and have an election anyway. But it's part of it. It's just people want to see themselves and who they're voting for. There's a reason Pat is excited about Kamala Harris. If that was true, black people would only vote it like three times. [LAUGHTER] That's very much fucking true. Let me take this arena. I'm fickin' here in my ear. I just-- I don't understand how-- like Joe Biden was like this all-American politician, has one bad debate, and now they're like, you got to go. He's still the president, but we're not covering anything he's done. We starting to cover it. I've seen a few interviews where-- It's because they wanted him to go. When Trump got shot, they could have just let this go. He did his shot. They didn't-- besides that argument, my point is the news cycle had moved on from should Joe Biden quit, and it was Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi who were like, "Hey, let's not forget we're getting rid of Joe Biden." They brought it back up and, "Oh, we picked a vice president on the Republican side." Yeah. But let's not forget we're getting rid of Joe Biden. I really think Joe wanted to go. Joe, I mean, Joe-- Joe, Joe, Joe, I think what-- I cannot think of the black dude on CNN. Crow out of time. Ben Joe. Ben Joe. Ben Joe. I mean, like, he did it for the people. No, he didn't, because if that was true, he would have done it four years ago. Right. That's what-- It went four years ago? Yes, because if he's really concerned about the future of the country, he would have known four years ago that at this point in time, he would be where he is. Well, how about what do you mean? Because he said he was pre-dimension. I don't know. I'm not a fucking doctor. That's what I'm saying. Four years ago, he watched this month-- He was only going to get older. I know. Stop. He wasn't taking privilege. Look, let me say this. Joe Biden's stutter. We all know Joe Biden. No, it's not-- it's not-- No, I'm not-- I'm not-- No, I'm not. Okay. There's a documentary series called "Frontline" that PBS makes. And there's one called "Biden's Decision" that they put out on YouTube like two weeks ago. I watched it last week. Of course you did. And when you watch this, you see Joe Biden's whole life, and you see the stutter, and you see him in '70, and you see him in '92, and you see him in 2012 against Sarah Palin and you see him in 2016, and you see the-- you never see the stutter. He's a perfectly capable speaker from his first Senate run when he's 35, all the way to when he's running in 2020, and he has a few slip-ups. But then you get to 2024, and it's like, there's something going on. Boy was cooked. It was bad. He was having mini-strokes, or something was going on. They were working to the bone, and then they put him in front of Trump, and they knew that was going to happen. And then they did 118 different appearances after he had messed up in the debate because they were trying to reinforce that he's in bad shape. He's-- I'm not saying it before me. I appointed the black guy as the Secretary of Defense. Like, what? Did you see that? No. In that period, he's saying, oh, I took a lot of trouble for appointing the black man as Secretary of Defense, and Brett Baer was just like, what? Well, I'm not saying that he's not-- I don't think he's not healthy. I do think he's not healthy. Do I think the Democratic Party threw him out there to show us that he wasn't healthy? Yes, I do. I think it was all a plan. Because he was too proud to let it go because he literally worked his whole life to be president. That's all he cares about. And he got it too. And I don't think-- I really don't think Joe won the other four terms. Joe was badly awake at the last debate. Only time Joe ever woke up at the debate with Trump is when Trump talked about his son being on cocaine. Then Joe popped up like he had been on cocaine and cussed Trump back out and went back to sleep. I do love how much Joe Biden hates Donald Trump, though. It's this documentary that gave me a whole new appreciation for what you said in a podcast that never aired, which was Joe Biden's the only person who's like, he wants to fight Trump. He hates him. He's the only person who's ever beat him because he wants to punch him in the nose. This week. And that's the only reason-- for my understanding, because I saw a few interview, he didn't even want to run the first time. But I think he was like, I'll run before I let this motherfucker be president. Because-- He was definitely the Trump patch. We've seen that Trump hasn't changed any of his tactics from 2016 to now. And they're not working this time. Exactly. And so my whole thing was, is y'all knew this before. The people in the know in the Democratic Party knew Joe Biden was gone. So why this whole shucking job and this hiding of, we're going to replace him? You knew you were going to do that. We didn't know how bad he was, though, do you know what I mean? That's horse-- You don't watch Donald Jr's-- it's not-- like, if I know it, and you know it, and you know it, and we can all see it, come on. I still stick by my rear where I sit. It was all a setup. They had to show the public how bad Joe Biden's health was, and then act like they had to talk him down. Joe Biden wasn't ready to go. You know what I mean? He's been gone. He's been gone. They need to take the whole talk from Joe Biden and put it on Trump now, since he's the old man. That's a has. And it's been effective. He's a weird old man. Calling him, he's saying. When you watch his press conference, like the other day I was listening to his press conference. Something is wrong with Trump. I think he got the mention too. It doesn't matter. Who asks the question or what the question is about? You press the button and he just starts saying the same thing over and over and over. He's like, you know, it's just really incredible what she's done to this country. It's terrible. It's unbelievable. You know, she's blah, blah, blah, blah, and like, and then he said, the windmill is killing all the birds. And without the birds, how the birds going to fly the windmills, we got to get rid of those windmills. It's just unbelievable. Hand of electors still alive. Yeah. What? He really does telling you I'm taking the electrocution every time over the sharks. When you watch that documentary, you see the two of them debating and you see 2016 Trump and 2020 Trump. And he is a different guy than he is now. Both of them are different. Yeah, for sure. Both of my old men's and both of them, but Trump is fighting dimension like a motherfucker. I saw Ron DeSantis clip of him going after Kamala Harris and it was very well articulated. He had points. It was from a conservative point of view and he went, uh, Ron is the governor of Florida. Yeah. And you're like, Oh, wow, that I, it's like weird to see somebody who can speak. And I think that's part of the Kamala bump where it's like Democrats haven't heard an articulated vision of what they believe in so long that it feels really good to you all to hear somebody making the case of why Trump is bad. What's the future? How can we afford things? You know, it really gets me. It really gets me how I sit here and do podcast is with him and no matter what, he's just gonna vote libertarian when it don't even matter. He is what he is. Well, I mean, I can't convince you to be libertarian. If there was a party, if there was something going on over there, you probably could, but there's nothing never going. It's almost like eating white boy tacos. Your party's offering me rent control. So you're going to make my rent more expensive because you think you're going to fix it. Well, they didn't vote. Just say I'm voting for Trump because he's not going to make your money for Trump. I wouldn't. He's not going to make your rent more. He wants to put a tariff on every piece of good. He's equally as dumb. So why is you voting for somebody that's ain't even on your party. You just vote for a ghost because at some point you have to check out of the system or say to the system, I'm not going to participate in the, well, then don't go vote. Just stay at home. Either way. I would say what difference does it make if you vote or don't vote? It's red or blue. There's no purple. There's no green. That's what I'm trying to tell him. Okay. So a no vote is either a vote for the person you don't want to win or the person you do want to win. And I like to vote down. When I vote, I vote for Republicans and Democrats and libertarians in local races. I vote for all three parties and independents every single time I vote. But when it comes to president, a, I don't think my vote makes that much difference. So I want as much of a pro. Yeah, it's much of a protest vote as possible and be, I don't. You can't cause Obama won Indiana. I don't. Yeah. But he's not. I don't believe. Indiana is not voting for Harris. Yeah. It will be the first red state. I promise you that. There is some thought that Indiana is starting to turn because of the super majority there. They said that about Obama and I was there to year Obama won. They said, oh, and I think I was talking to you Dion because I was in there. Uh, when you said, uh, oh, this thing will never turn and he was the first one to turn that state blue. So hey, yes, you know, I think, I think with, um, with the whole Trump thing, people are just getting tired of the whole hate mechanism. It's been a decade of it. Yes. And so, you know, white people don't, white people, good white people are good people. Just don't want to say, Hey, I don't have, I don't have anything to do with it. This is not how I feel. Yes. I want my taxes to be cheaper. And I do too, but I'm not going to say in, in, in hate nobody, like those people down in Florida who turn that whole little fucking, what am I rich white people at? Oh, the villages. The villages. That shit has never went blue. They had a Kamala Harris party down there. When you got those type of old people, when you, uh, like SDGs in the retirement, well, you got those type of people, uh, turning blue, that ain't, them people got boats. They got money. But see, that's the thing. They're not turning blue. They're anti red and that is a huge distinction. There's a very big gap between, I don't want this motherfucker to win versus I prefer this purse. There are a dozen Republicans that I do like. My main motivation is that, and it has always been this way. There are a dozen political philosophies in the American public and we have two choices. And those two choices this time are very close because they both want to control the economy, people's lives. There's no actual freedom for like, there's no, like, okay, Tim wall shut down and set up a hotline during COVID to call your neighbor. If you weren't doing what he wanted you to do during COVID. That is controlling people at a fundamentally intimate level. That's going to be a pandemic. It wasn't like he did it on your third neighbor. Let me say this. Let me say that's not the role of the government. I understand that. But what I'm saying is you're acting like he did that just because he didn't. So you have to make that distinction when you're talking about it. It's a basic foundation. It's a basic foundation. Oh wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. But even in time... If somebody had a plague, if somebody had a plague, which that was a plague, you would want to tell them too if they just, it's like AIDS. It's like AIDS. Nobody wants you out here spreading AIDS. Whether with all the medical and the pills and that, nobody wants. They did the same thing with AIDS out. So why wouldn't you tell on somebody who's out here in danger of the people of AIDS? Can you tell me that during COVID, you did everything that you were supposed to do, that you didn't go places you weren't supposed to go? Nobody said I couldn't go anywhere. But that's the point is that if you have a neighbor that doesn't like you, they can turn you in. But that's, people, you have neighbors that kill each other every day. You have neighbors that lie on each other every day. So how are you going to say that Tim Ross was trying to control your life? All he was trying to do is keep down COVID and it wasn't for ever. And it didn't work. Okay. Right. It didn't work. That's fine and fair. The government's job is not 100% accurate. When you say he interfered with your life, you have to finish that sentence because there was a pandemic going on. It wasn't because it was Thursday and he felt like exercising his power. So he still exercised his power in a time period where- Exactly. Exactly. That's when the government's job is, is to, when there is a problem in the country, it's their job to be like, you know what? We got to pool all of our resources and centralize and we got to, if you agree with it or not, it doesn't matter. It's not. The point is the government's job is to protect its citizens. Whether they do the correct job, right or not, that's debatable. That's the whole supreme point of it is, is it effective or not? Okay. And that's the whole point. Give, give me the accurate information. It was, sometime the accurate, it changed, you being white, you being white. You being white. Good. I'm white. That's, I'm white. You know, you're saying that because I'm saying things you don't agree with. No, no. I'm just saying- Because you don't have an argument against it. No, I'm not. You're not finishing your argument. You're, you're, you're simply saying that he interfered with your life. You're not telling people- You wanted to ask for an example of how he's interfered in people's lives. But you didn't tell him why he did it. That's the most important thing I said during the pandemic. No, you didn't. You said the government tried to control people's lives. I asked you why. You didn't say anything. I said there was a pandemic happening. It wasn't a regular Thursday. They didn't shut down the whole country just because they wanted people to stay in the house. That's not what happened. So if you don't explain the reason why, whether you agree with the decision or not. But if you don't explain why the decision was made in the best interest of everybody, you can argue whether it was or not. Which is the whole point of it. Okay. So again- Did it work? Was it the right thing to do? For some people, yes. It's the best one. Was it the best one? For some people, yes. For some people, yes. Can I say this? Go ahead. It was, it was a pandemic. And COVID, some people lost their lives from, from other people being irresponsible with spreading it. And I would say this, my son, Naikil, got it very early and almost died. Because the jail system that he worked in was not, was not taking this series. Oh, we was getting information too late because Trump was present. He was saying it wasn't real, but it'll be gone by April. But it, but it was spread through the prison system first, and a lot of those prisons died. Oh, you could say fuck them day in jail anyway, but they're human too. So my son was a guard at the time who got it and was put in the hospital on respiration for two fucking weeks. When our president said it would be gone by April and it's not that bad. This has been Naikil called COVID before we even know what COVID really fucking was. Before we were shut down, he called COVID before we were, I mean, early January, late January, early February, we wasn't even on house arrest by then. I was still a tooling. So she shouldn't have shipped those people back into the prisons. Tim Walz also shipped COVID patients back into nursing homes, just like Cuomo in New York, which is one of the reasons he had to resign. But listen, but listen. He didn't make a lot of good decisions. Well, you, let me say this to you. So you want me to ask you for examples and I'm giving you examples of how he, you know, there's some people's lives. Okay. Look, COVID, let me say this. COVID was something that we had never dealt with before. We had never been, we had seen shit like this on TV, but we had never, I'm 52. I had never seen this in real life before. And I'm quite sure some of our government officials had never dealt with it either. So everybody trying to figure out how to deal with this shit. When our president's saying the shit wasn't real. So you got people out here believing it wasn't real, then you got people out here saying it was real. I'm not putting on no masks. I'm putting on a mask. You, we get missed sickness from our government, then you got officials like Tim Walz and our governors of every state trying to make their own decision on how to protect the people that's in their state. So it was a bunch of chaos at first. So if I, I want to set up a hotline to say, tell on the niggas that ain't acting right. I'm trying to get this shit up on the control because when you don't get it up on the control, it's spread like it did. We lost so many young people behind it. I mean, I see, I still see memorial where people 30 some years old died behind that bullshit. So I mean, it's human, we're human. So if we never dealt with anything like that, how the fuck do you think we were supposed to deal with it? You got, you got to learn how to deal with it. I, I can say this, I truly believe that our government would know how to deal with another pandemic because the people before us, if you have faith in the government, I can't listen. Listen, I got to agree with Chris. No, look, I understand that there has to be a certain level of grace here for a lot of leaders. Yes. But I think at, at this point, four years on, you have to look and say, okay, what worked and what didn't work? How did these leaders act? What do we, what do we expect from them in the future? And if you say to me, give me an example of, okay, but they both got it wrong. Didn't they? Didn't they both get it wrong? Absolutely. Okay. So where's that vigor for the motherfucker who said it's going to disappear in April. You shoot, bleach up your ass and you'll be fine. The same vigor and vitriol that you have. I was setting up the fucking hotline to tell on your neighbor is the same motherfucker who. Am I not the same person that sat here and said Donald Trump's in the reason for all that and in the inflation, like his, how he reacted economically? Okay. If it's the same on both sides, what difference does it make? Thank you. Vote libertarian. They are they are not in the same political system as red and blue. Are they not? What do you mean? Do they not operate the same way? If they get into the government, they're going to have to follow the same governmental rules as red and blue, correct? Yes. So whatever person you put in there, I think you need to understand that red, blue, libertarian, whatever, it doesn't matter. The people who are actually in charge of the government, the real people who are actually in charge of the government, they're going to do what they want to do. Yeah. And if you don't like it, your ass is grass. They'll get rid of you. And you even as the president can be fired if they don't like you. And there it is. So this whole idea that, you know, the government is interfering in your life. It was during a pandemic. It wasn't just a random Thursday. There was a crisis going on. We were getting signals from both sides. It's not real. It is real. And that's all I'm saying. Here's a point that I want to make is that they knew how serious it was, but they because America is so full of stupid people who will panic and go buy all the toilet paper and try to make profit off of suffering, he downplayed it. That backfired because it turned out to be a little bit more serious than what he thought it was. Well, for some people, it wasn't even downplayed when he had it and almost died from it. And so it's like you, you, you have to understand that these decisions are made in the moment. And then when you retroactively look back on it and go, Oh, that was a bad decision. I don't have a problem with you saying that. But in the moment it was the best decision that he thought was for the safety of the most people. It wasn't like he just woke up and was like, you know what, today we're going to start a hotline for you to tell on your neighbor. Yeah. You didn't do that. And that's all I was saying. All I was saying at the time with all of this stuff that every governor or people who was running every state was trying to make the best decision for the people who live there. But you said, Oh, he started a hotline. So he's trying to control my life. I, I honestly think Tim Walsh probably thought that was a busy seat because we trying to, we trying to get a handle on this. We trying to keep the COVID cases down. We trying to save lives. The hospital was so over full that they couldn't keep all of those people. They was taking those people to school buildings and stuff. I mean, I mean, I mean, it was to me, what's wrong with saying, Hey, my neighbor got COVID and this niggas outside. How would you know that? How would you? How would you know that though? I don't know. How do people know to call the hotline? I don't know Chris, but if I was in that predicament, I would have told on you. When I already know it's school zones out here, they don't turn schools into hospital. They don't turn old folks home into hospital. They don't turn churches in the hospital and because you as a white man, I want to be told what to do. Fuck it. I'm going outside. No niggas stay in the house. No, it's, it's, it's if your neighbor doesn't like you, they can turn you in. They can do that anyway, they ain't got shit to do with the government. If your fucking neighbor don't like you, if there's a hotline set up for him to call, you don't call. If they're in that line set up, we should go find a way to welcome the government into our homes to investigate us like they're already here. That's the point right here, and I'm saying this of it, do less of it. I ain't gonna do no less of it. Y'all just don't want me to. I love this idea that you think regular everyday or American Americans are any better than the government. That's not, get that through your head. Every shitty government employee is the same fucking shitty neighbor that you have in a pole dunk town America. They're the same fucking people. We're all from the same place. Every shitty person is a shitty person. That's it. That's why I want to give them less power because I agree with you completely. And what I'm trying to tell you is, is you can't, you can't put the rabbit back in the hat, sir. I've seen the magic trick already. That's what I'm trying to tell you. That's why Libertarians lose so fucking much, because y'all think y'all can take back something that's never been here. It's never been here. This so-called freedom to do and express myself however I want, you've never had that. It's an illusion. The government will come in and kill you and tell your neighbor that you did something that you didn't. Stop, stop. Wake up. Wake up. That's like the fundamental libertarian argument against it. Why do you think you need to make me understand that? Because you think you have enough people to change the program and you don't. You never will. It's not a matter of going back. You were making the libertarian argument that the government has always had too much power. It has too much power. And you have to reduce that power. How do you take power away from somebody who has too much power? You have to convince people. You're going to tell me that I need to go out and vote, so I need to go and participate in a system that gave these niggas all the power in the first place. That's how I beat them. Shut the fuck up. They don't even make any sense. Go vote. That'll solve all your problems. No, the fuck it won't. They're the same people. It's the same system. If you vote red, blue, libertarian, it does not matter. - Did I not just say- - Global elections say, but on a federal level, because we all know the federal government and the military, it's separate. President is in charge of the military. He's not in charge of Congress. You know who's in charge of Congress? Lobbyists. Right. And so whatever corporation that you work for, whether it be Monsanto or Shell or whatever, you go to work every day and you think, oh, I want to change my life. I want to make my life better. So I'm going to vote to get this guy in who's going to do all these things, right? But the company that you work for controls that guy. And so if you vote for him, then he gets in the office. And what do they do? Amen. I got all this money for you. And if you don't do it, I'm a blackmail you. That's what they do. This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Kids are always learning and growing. But as an adult, sometimes we lose the sense of curiosity. BetterHelp, BetterHelp Online Therapy teaches you to prioritize yourself so you can connect with what makes you excited about life. Learn to set healthy boundaries and say no. It's 100% online, y'all. And you can do therapy from your home, your car, whatever, whatever works. Let me tell you something. 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If I put a libertarian in a space where it's red or blue, right? And they're bought by the same fucking people who are red and blue. What difference are they going to make, Chris? They're not going to make a difference. We're making the same argument. There's a point of making a protest vote to protest this entire system that you're talking about. That's why I wouldn't vote for Trump and I wouldn't vote for Kamala. There is no difference because the system that you are articulating, you're making a very libertarian case. You are articulating a lot of things I believe. That's my... And what I'm trying to tell you is so it doesn't matter. Because voting at this point doesn't matter and so vote for somebody that says I'm against the system. That's why so many people on the left and right are voting for Robert Kennedy Jr. Even though he's a fool. Ain't nobody voting. Yeah, they are. He's... Again, if who is you? He's five percent. Okay. So what's the swing state then? Pennsylvania. Okay. So, if I go... If I'm in Pennsylvania and I'm a libertarian and I go vote for Robert Kennedy Jr., right? What difference did I make? None. You have registered your displeasure with the system. Come on. And the system don't give a fuck. I know. So, again, what are we arguing? I'm asking why is the libertarian... We don't even have an argument. Why are you arguing? Your argument is the libertarian is the solution to the problem. No, it's... I'm saying that she's saying I ought to vote for a Democrat. That's... And I'm saying what's the point of voting for a Democrat? How is that any different than your argument? Let me just say this. Can I say this? I mean, my thing is, let's be honest, how do you feel about Trump? Well, I think that Trump is a doe-tard who is completely... He's a fool who has no understanding of being president. He has no underlying philosophy. He's running for president to stay out of jail. He's somebody that wants to do what he wants to do when he wants to do it. So, why would... So, you know libertarian don't have a chance of winning in his race, right? Of course. So, why when you vote for Harris to stop all of that what you just said? 'Cause a lot of times, a lot of times, I've seen people switch party just to keep a certain person from getting nominated to be in their party. A lot of Democrats voted Republican, if I'm not mistaken, in the primaries, to try to keep Trump from getting the nomination for Republican. Did I say that right? Are you saying, like, in 2008, when Rush Limbaugh told people his audience to vote against... Vote for Obama to vote against Hillary? Like that? Yeah, yeah. That type of stuff. So, what I'm saying, you know libertarian don't have a chance. So, if you just said all of that about Trump, well, he's got to say what he feels about Kamala on the other hand. Because I feel almost exactly the same about her. How many things is she flip-flopping on now that she has a chance to win the presidency, that she said differently in 2020? But, let me ask you this. And Tim, and you just told me Tim Walz was a legislating as governor based on how he felt about a certain situation, what he felt was right as opposed to a set of principles of what government ought to be to do to you. Well, you know what? You know what? You... Okay. You can't. So, you are voting for... Chris, Chris, let me say... Hold on, let me finish. Chris, let me just say, you want to hear what I actually believe you've got to let me talk. I don't give a fuck. You two talk over me and never let me make a point. Go ahead. You tried to me what I'm actually saying. So if you give a shit about what I actually say, let me finish my point. You went over there and cut off all the motherfucking lies. He's right to do it, though. Go back over there. Go back over there. Go back over there. Go back over there. The point of being a libertarian is understanding that government at its worst is when you're in a situation, you have individuals doing what they want to do instead of what the government ought to be able to do. I want less ability for government to hurt people, for there to be injustice, for there to be poverty, for there to be these different things that government does. The government is not in control of... Your neighbor is in control of how he treats you. The government has no say on what your neighbor feels about you. Let's just wrap up. No, we're not going to wrap up because there's no point in talking if you're not actually letting me finish. But, but that's a good point. The point... The point... The difference is that the government is it forces you to do things. The government is made up by the people, but for the people, what is the people in this country telling you? What are they telling you? Let's ask. If you don't, if you don't agree with what the government thinks, it can ruin your life, put you in jail. Give me an example. Okay. George Floyd is a great example. Okay. The government killed him because he did not obey a police officer. The government didn't kill him. You dumb motherfucker. The police killed him. A police officer is the government. What are you talking about? That's a racist. Come on. Thank you. So, but you can't... But he was... He had his D on his neck because... But that's... That's a human being. That's not what I see as the government, Chris. So this is what your... This is what government is. You're ascribing Derek Chauvin, the person as a government official in his official capacity. He has... He is the mentality of government. Obey. Which is made up by who? The people. The people. Of what? This country. Right. So you're talking about your neighbors. Your neighbors. So you live... Those people to have more power or less, Dion. Well then, don't put them in office. Don't give them the jobs. Okay. Thank you. We can create. Again. What... I'm asking you what your solution is and you're telling me it's no voting. Decrease the... Decrease the... You have to decrease the power of government. How can you take away power when you have to use your power to put people in power? You have to stop participating in the system. And you know exactly what happens when that happens, right? When you don't vote and the guy who does it. So 20 minutes ago you said it doesn't make a difference, stop voting and now you're telling me to vote? No, I'm asking you to answer the question I ask you. How do you take power away from people when the only power you have is to vote? You have to make people realize what government is and the power that it has. How do you do that? So what is the government? They're your neighbors. They're your neighbors. They're your neighbors. They give the government permission to act the way they act. I don't face racism because I'm black. I face racism because white people don't like black people. Right. Has nothing to do with me. So how do I change their mind? I don't. They change their mind by watching other people. That's what happens. If I put on TV firefighters and policemen beating the shit out of black people and sick and dogs on them and spraying them with hoses, the person who was in the middle who didn't give a fuck about black people or racism sees that and goes, you know what? I think that's wrong. That's persuasion. Right. You're not forcing people to change their minds. You can't force people to change their mind. Right. You simply ask them and they do or they don't. Right. And what is, what is a vote? I'm asking you to change my life through political power. That's my, I'm asking, I'm, then what do you want me to do, Chris? Again, I'm asking you, they have all the power. They've had this. What is your argument? Isn't that what Marlud King did? Yes. He, he built a sense. Yes. Yes. He persuaded people that the government backfired tremendous violent and evil. And exactly the example that he just gave people were persuaded calling it the government. I'm telling you, it's not that the government is made up of Americans. It is. These are people who live next door to you and I. You keep saying it's the government's power. It's not the government. It is the government's power. It's the people. It's the fundamental institution that interacts with you on a daily basis in multiple ways that controls you. Right. And so you have the power to change it thanks to democracy, which should be protected. So what? Because you don't. You just said we don't. You have to persuade people to vote differently, to change their behaviors, to change their mentality. And so you think, did you, did you, did you change my mind in this podcast because you put a gun up to my head and said, please respect me because I'm a different race? Or did you become my friend and persuade me one on one? That's the difference of how you want to operate society. But you also, going back to COVID, you know, going back to COVID, you could not persuade people to stay in their house because you had a hotline. You had to persuade them of what was the truth of correct behavior based on science, based on sound medical advice and yes, there were some people who did the wrong thing. But those people were reacting more to what the government was doing than what they saw the government. Again, the government is made up of people. Okay. But it doesn't change the fact that it's a point of my, it's the IRS. If it is the, it is the, right. So you're talking about a small percentage of people, a small percentage of people who have more power than the majority of people are going to get a traffic ticket that you go, oh man, my neighbor gave me a traffic ticket. No. Yes. Yes. And no. Yes. And no. You know why? Because my neighbor and myself, we want people to be safe. So we put, so we put in place traffic laws that if I disobey those traffic laws, there's a consequence for the betterment of the society. Correct? Mm hmm. And we all agree that the rules work. We make up laws that are going to benefit the most people. There's one party who wants to take away reproductive rights. That's not going to benefit the most people. You want to expand the power of these laws to interact in people's lives. She's actually, I think she's got to come over. Yeah. She got to go over there because of the microphones. So take my mic. Welcome to the podcast. Welcome to the show, and you guys are telling when I was, I just came back from my workout. You got to talk to the mic. We came. Oh, I just came back from my workout. I'm trying to just drink my little Mexican juice box, y'all over here yelling and cursing and acting a fool. I don't think we cursed. That much. Why did you want to join? Why did you want to join? Because I think I understand like what both of you guys are saying, which is that you're saying this close, that's crazy. Yeah. That like, this is a government of the people, right, and that government is shaped by people's rule. And then I think you're saying to a certain extent that the government acts outside of what people sometimes rule, you know, yeah, that you have, you have, you have taken the collective will of the people and outsourced it. So you don't have to actually go over to your next door neighbor and go, here's a speeding ticket. You have created a separate entity. So you don't, I think, and I think, of course I want police, but, and I think both of these things are kind of true, because yeah, if we think about like democracy and you vote for certain things, and then they happen, you know what I'm saying? But then also on top of that, government has the ability to act without within itself, outside of itself. So like if you think about, and I heard you guys bring up Martin Luther King, Martin Luther King was hated by the time he was killed, right? He was hated. Nobody was really listening to his policies. And then he was assassinated and 108 cities across the country blew up in films, right? You had riots for days, people, people were dying, places where cities were on fire. And then the government said, okay, now I'll give you your civil rights, right? As a response to that, and that was them showing, you know, their disdain for what had been going on. But people had been voting and saying that they wanted civil rights for years before. He died like almost a decade after that I had a dream of speech, right? So we had already marched on Washington, we'd already done this stuff. We'd already been sick with dogs. And then after his death, and they saw like people actually dying and places being on fire, they're like, okay, we gotta get our cities under hand, give these blackies what they want. So I think both are true that like when you show disdain with the government, when you vote, whatever, you can make a change. But at the end of the day, I think what he's saying is fundamentally true too, which is when the government wants to give you something, that's when you'll have it. When you've made them so uncomfortable, when you've pissed them off enough, that's when they'll give you what they want. And the government is a lagging indicator. Politicians are a lagging indicator because they are leeches on society oftentimes looking at what the public will wants, what a poll wants, and then responding to it. Okay. And you had in the south. You just said the key word though is public. That's my neighbor. Of course. Okay. So if my neighbor wants me to have a traffic ticket or a hotline, what are they going to do? They're either going to do it themselves or they're going to call somebody else. You can't get rid of that. Okay, so if I live in the south and we as a society want there to be segregated bathrooms, does that make that morally right? It's just because the collective process is bullshit, but it's everything. It's everything. If at the end of the day, are you are you talking about more than America, no, but the point of what you're saying is that the morality of the will of the people in a certain geographic that rules that's the supreme. And I'm saying that's not how it's supposed to be. When it hasn't ever been anything else, by you saying the supreme morality of individuals in a specific area, isn't always the best, right? So then on top of that, you're kind of asking for, well, to me, you're kind of asking for outside governmental approval, because if if you're not doing the right thing, who comes in to tell you that you need to be doing the right thing? Let's take the civil rights example. The Kennedy's come in and we're right to do the Civil Rights Act to use that other level of government to go in and say, look, this is an immoral action. Your southern sheriffs are acting out of will of the will of that's the point of a republic. That's why we're not a democracy. We need these different levels of government to have these checks and balances to balance out what the proper role of government is in people's lives. I'm not an anarchist. I don't understand what you what he's saying because an anarchist would believe exactly what Dion, which is, look, we're just going to set up a community like this neighborhood and we're all going to sign a contract to live here and abide by these rules. And if you don't follow the rules, no, I'm saying that if you're an anarchist, that's what you believe. I'm not saying I'm asking you, you don't want rules. I want I want as few laws as possible, but I want the rules to make sure that you can't walk up point a gun at my head and say, give me your daughter. You can't walk up and say you can't violate my property, my person. We got those rules and places, don't we? Yes, but that's the whole foundation. That's why I don't understand it. That's why I don't understand it. That's why government overreach. I agree. The government does overreach a lot. What I'm asking you is, how do you curb that power? But to me, government overreach is no, not one. Yes. I mean, that's a government overreach. You should knock on somebody to do and identify yourself and say why you dare. You should be able to walk in here as a black person in America. But that's why if you're in Louisville and you're marching for Brianna to do. In the tailor, there are a lot of libertarians in that crowd because we agree with that. Again, but it's too late. The will of the people is right now. It took 10 years for the civil rights after his eye, they had to kill him. He had to die. The only way revolution works is for people to die. Let me ask you about color for bloodshed. Let me ask you about color for bloodshed. Let me ask you about color for bloodshed. Let me ask you about color for bloodshed. Let me ask you about color for bloodshed. Let me ask you about color for bloodshed. If Chris was filling this away when Dr. Mullen King was alive and he said, I'm not voting for them and I'm not voting for them. I don't need neither side and I'm just going to vote libertarian. Then if you were in the South, would you vote for a segregationist governor or the Republican who's just quiet about it? Would you vote? Like that's like they're-- That's what I'm asking you. What would you have voted for? I'm saying your view, Ms. Pat, of you have to vote and participate in the system. So you was like a lot of other white people back in the day, hey, I ain't black, I ain't going to do this shit, I'm going to sit back and y'all go ahead on the fight about it. No, I'm saying the exact opposite, that you should be marching at the Pettis Bridge, you should be outraged by these injustices. I think he's saying that if there's no two good options to him, he'll just vote outside of that to show people that, hey, I don't like these two options. Okay, so my question earlier was, he said, I asked him how he felt about Donald Trump, right? And he said, oh, he said all of this crazy stuff. So I said, do you want to make it as your president? No, I said so, you know libertarian don't have a chance of winning, right? They never do. They never win. People don't even know they're really a fucking party, let's be honest. So I said, even if I don't like some of Kamala's views, would you want to vote for her so you can stop? No, because by being different, but because by being different, you are asking me these questions and I am articulating my views. By not participating in the system, you are curious. And so I'm not going to die for my views, probably, but I am at least making enough of a different choice and it's short circumstances. I bet there's some people listening going, all right, well, maybe let me at least think about what I believe in my interactions with things. I think for him is the principle of the thing for him. I have no problem with him not voting for red or blue and voting libertarian. But what he's saying when he votes libertarian is, I'm trying to take the power back. And what I'm saying is, is you can't do it that way. You don't think I know that? Well, then like I used to manage the libertarian party before you. I got 3% kicked my face 100 times. I'm still asking the question if you, if the only way to exercise your individual power is to vote, but the people in the government have too much power, you're putting them in a place where they're going to have access to more power. So it would be no votes at all. So what's your solution? I have a question. Yes, ma'am. You used to manage the libertarian party. Why do you guys have so many furries? Because so many what? We once had a convention at the same time as furries. Furries, people dress up as... Furries, they have a dress up and like fur soups and hump reach those fur soups. I really kind of feel like that MAGA behavior to be honest. We outsourced a lot of those people. I see a lot of libertarian, whatever their names are in their Twitter bios, are you sure? We once went to a convention in Columbus at the same time as a furry convention. And there wasn't a lot of crossover, but yeah, it's the thing about libertarianism is that it attracts people of all different political views, stripes, lifestyles, because they see it as their way to exercise, like if I'm a furry, this is my way to protect myself because I'm not going to get the furry legislation through in the Republican or Democratic party. Like there is a little bit of libertarianism, I think that exists in the party, but no, I would not say all libertarians are furries. So you... I'm just going to ask you this, because I mean, this is how I feel. You know, I'm going to die with a Democrat and I don't follow it like Chris do. And you can get around to that with a little Republican. Sometimes when I have to pay my taxes, I do want to go over there and see what they talking about. Why do you feel that way? Because I came from nothing, and a lot of those programs out there, I think I don't... A lot of those programs out there, like the way I felt a work program that I went through, the... So many... I can't even name them. I don't even fucking remember. There's so many programs out there that help people get back on their feet. And I've seen like, when I'm paying attention to government sometime, they want a lot of those programs to go away. Because sometimes I think this country is all about, if you pull yourself up by the bootstrap, if you ain't got no bootstrap, fuck you, where everybody didn't come into this world with a bootstrap. So I'm all... I'm just being honest for you. I'm all for programs to help people. Everybody don't get helped, but I don't want to see Medicaid Medicare go away. I don't want to see food stamps go away. I don't want to see welfare go away. Because sometimes those are stepping stones to help those people get on their feet. And I've been... If it helps one person, isn't it worth it? Yes. Yes. Okay, but then why doesn't you want to pay more taxes? Yes. Why not all of them? Because nobody wants to spend more... Because nobody wants to spend more... Absolutely. Nobody. You're conflicting government. I asked her a question. I asked her a question. I asked her a question. And I tell you why. I would like to keep someone out. Why do you not like to pay taxes? I'm not saying I don't like to pay taxes. But when... What's the level of enough for you? Look, I would like to... Where's that limit? Listen, there's no limit to me because I came from nothing. And if they... Look. Right. Okay. So let's do 90% tax rate for you. Does that feel good? That ain't even... That's not even true. So shut the fuck up. It was in the 60s until Kennedy... Well, it would never happen. If you... You would be paying 90% of your taxes, 90% of your income in the 50s. Well, you know what? Let me just say this. Let me say this. Well, let me say this, even when that was a 90% tax rule, it was so many loopholes that you didn't have to pay that. It's so many loopholes out here for the rich that you, when you in a higher tax bracket, that can put anything out there. It's some lawyer, some prepare, somewhere, going to show you how to save your money. So I don't give a fuck if it's 100% taxes. You can best believe Will Smith ain't paying them kind of taxes. I'm just being honest with you. No, I know. Because they're a loophole. Even when they say, "Well, the rich is going to pay 80% of their taxes." Not really, dude. That's why those... When as soon as Trump got elected, those guys rewrote the taxes for themselves. That was the... Yeah. But back to... I know where I came from and I know how these program helps and it's a lot of programs that I don't want to go... I don't want to see go away. I don't want to weak program to go away. But they base that off of fear. They base taking that program away off of, "Oh, there's one person who's abusing the system, so we can't have that system in place at all." No. They fear monger with welfare queens and people... Are you against public goods? Ultimately, if I were to design a society, yes. Because the society would be charitable enough to support people. But my daughter goes to maybe the poorest school in IPS and that meal is the only meal that those kids get. That's not true. Some of those kids. And you know... Some of those kids. Because let me say this to you and I grew up poor as fuck and that was not the only meal I got. You've moderated my view on a lot of this stuff. But let me just say this. For sure. That's what people that ain't never been in those situations, that's what... And I'm just gonna be... That's what white America believed, that was a sum of the meals that only... That's not the only meals that... I'm in the school. I'm telling you what the principal told me. That's what society... I'm not making that up because I read so... You won't... Let me say this to you. I don't know if that's the only meal that child got until you take your way as home with a child. But... But why are you arguing this point? These kids are impoverished. No, they are impoverished. What's the point of this point? But if the principal says this is the only meal that a lot of these kids get... Because I'm telling you from... I was one of those kids. There was... Listen to me. This school... This public school is their support system. You're arguing with me just because you want to argue with me. Yes. You're arguing with nothing right now. Because I'm actually... You're making the same point. He's saying... No. I'm just telling you that's not the only thing that... I'm saying I don't mind paying my local taxes. What's up? What's up? Why is this the breed you want to die on? That's not the only meal that they eat. Because it's not true. Why? Because why is this... Because some of those... Okay, so if they eat two meals a day, what difference is it? What does it make? Is that the three that are required in two snacks? No. Two snacks is not required. No. So if they eat extra meals, they still are down one. Yeah. So finish asking them about this public school. I'm saying I don't mind paying those property taxes to support my kid's school. So what? Because I think that's school. The property taxes were 100% would you mind? Of course I would mind. Okay, so what percentage are... We're back on that. We're back on that. That's the argument that is eternal. Right. So you want to give them three cents a day? And you know why? Because at the end of the day, most Americans don't give a fuck about their neighbor. When it comes down to it, you give a fuck about you. You cannot say this. And I just... And only you... I don't know that I agree with that. Your property tax... You don't own a house. Do you own your house? I rent. You rent so you don't pay taxes. I pay the property taxes through the rent. Believe me. No you don't. You don't price in the property tax to your renters. No you don't. No nigga. Please. Listen, listen, let me say this to you. You most... Let me be honest with you. I rent my house. I have two or three houses. I rent my house for the mortgage. Most people don't even really make a profit. Now that it's really so high, they probably do. But you don't... You don't calculate the property tax when you do. You'll say, okay my mortgage is this. I'm telling you people do. Yeah. Yeah they do. You're just doing it. You are a really nice landlord. No. You're a very nice... You're a very nice landlord. You pay $2,000 a month. Okay. Okay. Well I guess you're paying that mortgage. All of that. All of that is in there together. All of that is in there together. Okay. All of that is in there together. Should the federal government tell you what you should say your rent at? Should the federal government... Yes. Why? Because... So you don't fucking burn your neighbor by including property taxes in a fucking rent. But that's part of it. Let me tell you why. Let me say this. Why? Let me say this. Let me say this. Why? Let me say this. Let me say this. Let me say, the government should tell you where to set your rent. Because you gouging people and people not even have places to stay. Like all of these investors that came into Georgia and everywhere else about these properties. There's no reason why if, I live in, I have a house in Riverdale. My house was rented for $900, $850 for the longest. But the people three those down house was rented for $3,000. So there's a problem there. Okay. What about my house 10 years ago or 15 years ago, but that's not a big difference in the fucking mortgage. A mortgage is all calculated by interest rate. So it's price gouging and it make regular people have a hard place to live. That's why my tenant been in my house for 15 years. What leads to what? When you're having a party. Which leads to crime. Crime. Right? So it's a vicious cycle of you taking advantage because you don't want to pay out of your own pocket because you've made it to a certain level and you feel like, you know what? I shouldn't have to go through this struggle, no. So I'm going to pass that struggle on to somebody who's using the extreme cases to paint everybody a certain way. Is it extreme? You just said that most homeowners put property taxes in their mortgage and they absolutely should. No, they should. They should. No, that's the cost of owning. You are trying to get your own home. How do you get to the next level? Why would you just give people a house for free? You're paying. You're paying. You're paying for it. You're paying for it. You should say make money on her rent. No, no. My homeowners should make money on their rent. Look, I don't think you understand what rent kneels. So when most people rent, they rent you either with the mortgages or over. So if you have any repairs. Right. So most people, smart people take that extra money, put it in the bank. So when you say, "Hey, I got a problem." I don't think anybody said that and calculate their property taxes because all of that's already in the mortgage. My property, I pay my property taxes on my house here separately because my house is so fucking big and I don't want my mortgage to be big. I pay my property taxes and I pay my insurance separate because of the amount. I live in a 15,000 square foot house. But most people roll that into their mortgage. But everybody rolls that into that mortgage. Let me say this to you, Chris, I can afford for my taxes to come in. And God, once a year, in his 20,000, I can pay that separate. Everybody cannot afford that. So they roll all of that stuff into their mortgage, their property taxes, their fucking, their insurance, all of it's paid together. So should they exclude those property taxes, Dion? But nobody rent a fucking house on property tax. They rent it on what they mortgages, all of that stuff is included. That's what he's saying, though, is let's separate. You shouldn't include those costs. They include those costs. You just said they did. No, I'm telling you, when you get a mortgage, I'm lying to rent, all of your shit is in your mortgage, right? So when I'm renting my house, okay, my house over there in Riverdale, I rented it for the longest for $850. That took, I even made money, and people would call me and say, "You're a fool. They down here renting this, renting the house for $3,000." I'm not that fucking greedy. Why would I, these people are taking care of my house for 15 years. Yeah. So why would I go up and say, because the motherfucker down the street, an investor who owned a hundred homes, getting $3,000, should I become that greedy bitch? No. You know why? Because the $850 will pay my fucking mortgage, and let me say this, people gotta live. I don't know why you're yelling at me, because it's your property. You should be able to do what you want. Should the government come in and say, "You should be forced." Yes, they should. Should they come in and say to you, "You must rent this for market rent, which is $3,000." If you just said, "No." Oh, my God. You just are arguing with me, because you want to argue with me. No, no, I'm just saying. You're not actually making a point. Chris, Chris, Chris, all I'm saying to you, if we're on the street, well, houses are $60,000, $60,000, $70,000, and I'm renting my house for whatever, I'm just saying, "Shouldn't nobody want to be able to go down the street and prize gals nobody." You're saying that the government can tell you to set rent at a certain rate to keep right gals. So, people can leave. But I'm saying, can they make you force you to go off to $3,000? Because legislation would probably make you send it at a lower market rate. Chris, you're talking to a white woman. I don't understand. Hold on. Hold on. What he's saying is, he's reversing your argument. You're saying that the government should set price limits, right? Yes. So, people can leave. Well, if the area that your house is in now is at $850, and then- Well, I went up to $1,100 only because- Okay. Even still. If whatever it is, $1,100, if the government says this area is now worth $3,000, you have to raise your rent. It's called rent control. You have to control it at market rates. I wouldn't do it. Because- Then you need breaking the law. And that's where the problem, and that's why he's saying he doesn't want the government to be able to control it. I want you to be able to rent your property for what you think it ought to be as opposed to what Kamala Harris thinks it ought to be. Or whatever some local government should be. It's- You keep putting that on one person. The government is made up by the people. So the majority of the people in that area would have said yes or no. That's what I need you to understand. You keep saying it's the government. It's not the government. It's a collection of people who live in an area because that's all it is. Isn't also your idea for protest voting. So if they just protest, wouldn't it go down, couldn't it get the person in charge to take it away? Because that's like your idea. I mean that's already ballot access is already so tightly controlled to favor the two parties which is why we have a two party system. You have to do all this petitioning to get on the ballot that can throw your petitions out. We're going to close this out. We're going to keep arguing. But I'll just say as a homeowner- Let me just say that I just want to say this as a homeowner. I'm a human being and I've been to the bottom and I'm not a greedy motherfucker and people tell me all the time, people on your street which is investors have bought up a lot of homes where my house is and allow them. One of my houses and allow them. You should go up on your rent. I don't go up on my rent because I know my tenant cannot afford it. I'm not that greedy for money. I truly believe that God is going to always have me and I want to treat people, the ways people treat me. So when I was on Section 8, I remember the times I lied and I was about to lose my Section 8. My landlord at the time was a white woman, went in her bank account to help me pay back Section 8 gave me $6,000 twice when I lied, twice when I got ready. I ain't lying twice. I was lied about having a job and making a lot of, making a long story short. When I got ready to buy the house, I had no idea that this white lady had taken $50 from my rent. For the 8, the 10 years I lived in that house and held it in a bank account with me. With interest, when it was time for me to buy the house, she gave me the money to put down on the house that I was buying from her. I'm a human being. I know what it is to struggle in this country. I know what it is to have nothing. I know what it is to start from that. I know what it is to be uneducated. I know what it is for people to look at you a certain way in this world and to treat you like shit because of the way you were brought up. I try to love everybody. I'm never going to raise my rent because I could be that fucking greedy because what you do to people today will come back to hunt you. I was going to say if you did that and then she couldn't live there anymore, you know what's going to happen? She's going to start breaking the law. Yes. So you're going to increase crime because you wanted to make more money. They wanted to make more money. That's what happened. She'd lose the property. Like eventually you price yourself out. If you price your self out of the market and people stop buying from you and then you get common sense. But I believe there's more people like your former landlord in the world than we give people credit for. And I don't agree with you. I'm telling you the evidence says there isn't. How do you are sitting right here? How many people have helped you get to where she was? Again. Even though one was a person that would talk to me. Is she the majority of the minority? Is she the majority or the minority? I'm just going to say, do you think her story is the majority or the minority? I think we hear about her as if she is special, but I think there are more people out there doing good. That's not the question I asked you. Do you think her situation is the majority or the minority? I think she's the majority. You're so foolish. Yes. I think she's the majority. I'm the majority. I'm the majority. You don't hear about it. You know why? You don't hear about it because it don't fucking happen. I don't know why. Such bullshit. If there were more mispatts out there, you don't have any more fucking podcasts there would be. And people would shout off nipples doing comedy. They don't survive. When you get out in the community, you start seeing how many people try to do good. Well, let me just say this. I'm not saying they don't try. I'm not saying they don't do good. Let's just say that. I'm telling you. We can all go out there. Let me say this. It's about the people for me. I always, I always want to help people. And I've been there and I've said this a hundred times. I'm never going to price gouge because I could get a lot of money for my 3,500 square foot house where I'm at. My mortgage get paid with the rent that they pay. They take care of my house and those people been there for 15 years. I was never in my life. They damn near the late every month. Last month she was like, "I'm going to be late." I said, "Girl, you always late." Sitting when you got it, it's about the people for me because like Dan said, if I went up on my rent and they can't afford it, then I fucking, now I got people just coming in out of my house who cannot afford the rent. Times are hard out here and that's what people don't understand. So when you, when you say the government shouldn't be able to price your rent, they should. Rent is high. Food is high. All of this shit. It's hard times. So we the people have to start kind of looking out for each other. The government is supposed to protect you from the neighbor who's going to force you over. And it doesn't. And it doesn't. And I asked you how to fix it and you told me to vote. Oh, oh, oh. It is institutionalized. Harder, white and black all day, and with that said, this podcast is over. Thank y'all so much for tuning in to another episode of The Pac Down. Make sure you check out my website at misspaccominy.com for all of my social media, my tour dates, my book. Make sure you spread the word about my podcast. Please rate and review. Please rate and review and share. Thank y'all so much, y'all. I've been Miss Pac. (upbeat music) (upbeat music)
