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Vegeta's Commuppance
Hello welcome to the Badass mountain podcast. This week we're talking about Dragon Ball chapter 350, 160 or if you're me 157 to 166 this week, I'm joined by Ryu eternal slumber. Yes. But both fast and furious. That is true. That is true. I remember I was bad as always. Let's get into the chapter, shall we? Well, robots, I guess. The bots. Yeah, actually, like, I have a 15 is a robot, right? 16 16 16. 16 is a robot the other two are cyborgs. Yes. So, we'll call them all androids. Yeah. Hot screaming right now. We're don't call them apples. Now, bro, these are the androids are evil, man. Apple is clear. Oh, oh, that's it. But your phone didn't even like that one. Oh, I don't think I believe that. Anyways, yeah. So we, you know, get to do we get to see 17 and 18, you know, wrecks my shit. Well, mostly something. 18, 18, 18, five Virginia, right? Yes. I'm in his ass. He also obliterated him. That was. And they keep mentioning, oh, she's a woman. And like, I'm like, fuck sakes. Like, if you think I was asked for you to buy a woman, like, like piccolo set this and I was like, oh, my God, bro. I mean, okay, so like, I was trying to be like, okay, it's like, how bad is this? And it's just like, okay, for Jesus, an asshole. So like, it's not that out of character for him, right? And yeah, piccolo doesn't admonish him for it. So like, it like, I was like, oh, maybe it's just like he's saying that because he knows Vegeta is, but like, he would call him idiot or something if that was not a view he also held. So it was like, I was like, maybe it's not that bad. And I was like, oh, like, did this that bad? Yeah, I had to say, I'm like, okay, that's Vegeta sure. That's Vegeta for you. And then piccolo was like, oh, it's a woman too. And I'm like, oh my God. Fuck, fuck, not piccolo too. Come on, man. Piccolo. Yeah. Yeah, you know, the bill pickle. We have a demon king. Oh my God. That was so bad. Oh, so the androids very quickly just resigned themselves to doing whatever I wanted them to want them to do anyway. Yeah. I mean, they want something going to go. They're like, we can take it to the world if you wanted to. It's not that easy to find purpose. I get that. But like, for people who are like, we don't want anything to do here, who literally killed the person who told them to do this thing, they very quickly just like, and we'll do it. Yeah, but then he won't get the satisfaction. He writes this. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we'll really kill him. And now they're just, you know, might as well do it while we're free around, you know, what we actually want to do, right? Yeah, like, like they said, like we're talking to everyone because people ask pretty much the same question, right? And they and they say, like, you know, it's more like a game at this point. So like, instead of for the row, it was like, you know, his life's work almost, for them, it's just a game. It's a thing they'll do. It's, you know, like, you can kind of look at it with like parents and children and a little in summer, the row did like make them. Yeah, like, you know, like the parents goal trickles down to the kids, but for the kids, it's like, not as like, like, especially if you have a bad relationship with your parents, like it, like the what your parents want you to do doesn't, it's not as big a part of your life as it is for them, right? It's also that, like, you're just programmed to have, like, in their brain, they're like, Oh, yeah, we want to do this. Like, it's just like a goal they have in their brain programs. You could go that route. I don't know if he has, I feel like that doesn't work because that would imply that they all had a lot more control over their brain functions and thought process that he clearly did. Otherwise, he would not be dead. Yeah, maybe like, like, like a piccolo, he could have maybe like added a goal. Like, that's all he could do in the brain. Like, like, like the picodimio, like he like said to his son, kill Goku. That was his one goal. Like, that's like, that's what I'm like saying. Like, say maybe, which he's got a whole assume about right now, by the way. Yeah. It's just like, like, he's hiding behind the, like, I want to take over the world, the fans of, like, to be like, I'm still hanging out with you because I need to beat you to take over the world. And it's like, okay, okay, but it's like, it's like, I'm just using you, you know, screw you. This is not for you. I don't like you, please. I'm making sure this won't save so I can beat your ass. For Vegeta, it's very believable, right? He's a bitch. You know, it makes sense. Piccolo, you know, you've been kind of kind of with him for a while, you know, you've been kind of behind on the whole evil thing, you know, right? Yeah, like, Krillin clearly doesn't even believe it. No, like, it's like, yeah, sure, buddy, you're evil. I mean, it's like this, but yeah. Just like, yeah, though, I could tell Piccolo is still, it's like a good guy. Vegeta, you know, he's Vegeta. Like, no, I'm not good. Like, no, yeah, but you're right. Like, I'm not good. You're good. I'm bad. I guess from the main cast, he's like, the most. Oh, yeah, right. You like Michael and Daimyo's son. That's right. I forgot about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was nasty. That was nasty. Yeah, that's fun. That's fun. Oh, that was insane. Oh my god. God, yeah, you used to be evil. Huh, whatever. Yeah, it's hilarious. Oh my god. But, um, anyway, 16 is the only one that actually wants to fully fulfill that goal of killing Goku, but I don't like it. It also was 17 said, like, I just want to, we just want to beat him, right? Yeah, but like 16, like, he's a full robot. So he's like fully programmed to, like, kill Goku. That's like, yeah, cool. He knows all information. Like the other ones are human. They have information because that was the information where he lives, etc. It's all been programmed in. It's just that they have their human will to be like, no, I'll fuck with that. Yeah, 16 is like, I want to kill him. He lives here. And then, yeah, he's like, he straight up just gold. Just do this. He'll probably after that, he'll probably just follow them or destroy himself. I don't know. Or maybe it was just that still. It's like, okay, my gold is completed. Just off. Yeah, I could see that. At least he was talking about birds. That was something else that the killing Goku. Yeah, it was like killing Goku birds and things. It maybe carriages me like birds. Like, you know what? That's my son. I'm adding bursts of his brain. Also, I really feel bad for Trump. He's like, okay, we've got to wait for Goku, you know, or like, you can't kill the Android right now. But you just like, you know, fuck you, that it just goes, goes, just a minute. It just goes anyways. Yeah. And like, he's not like that happens. Like, his dad is an asshole. And like, that's a whole ass thing that he asked on back. Yeah. And then like, secondly, there's this whole, like, oh, there's not a fucking time machine. Oh, yeah. Like, the future's changed. Like, like, not even just like the, like, the timeline changed just because you time traveled and now everything's fucked. Also, second time machine. Yeah, that one arrived in the year before even Trunks arrived. Yeah. Yeah. So the time I would probably have been scuffed anyways. Yes. But I wasn't going to come out the gate. I know who was in the egg. I know who was in there. Sell. It's pretty obvious. Oh, no, it's amoeba was in there. What the fuck you talking about? Yeah. Oh, really? Anyways, so yeah, we have the whole get a get to understand a little bit on time travel works here. So whenever a change occurs, it appears like the timeline just branches out and becomes like, yeah, this seems to be like time travel stories where they say like, you know, like the very act of time traveling, those that because that immediately changes it by your mere presence. Exactly. Like, it's one of those like, there's multiple ways to go about time trailing in your story. And this one, like, you can go around with like, oh, you travel back and then a few changes for you as well. But this one is more like you travel back and that timeline that you went back into changes, but you go back to your time and that timeline hasn't changed. It's split. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, so this timeline is a whole separate thing. So even if he beats the Androids here won't beat the Androids of his future. And even if it goes like, it's very noble that like the characters like Beaumont Runks, they wanted to just create a future that's positive. Not not theirs, because like, for example, Beaumont doesn't know full well, she won't be able to go back to it. Honestly, like, that's that's like, this future Beaumont that we haven't seen is the best. Exactly. Exactly. If you went down Beaumont, must have gone to a lot of noble. And like, she's sacrificing for her kid here, because she's like, you'll get to go back to that future. Presumably, right? At least, yeah. Yeah. And then like, and she's like, I'll still be here, like, in this fucking terrible place, but knowing you're going to be in a better place, I'm fine with. And I'll sacrifice anything like, like, amazing parrot, amazing, like parrot moment, amazing character moment, noble as hell, we'll never see Beaumont like this. It's the only survivor for this group. Like, who else? Like, what's any other survivor that they mentioned? They mentioned like, Gohan, right? Go on, train Trunks, but I don't know what happened with Go on. Yeah. So the only survivor seemed to be Gohan, Bulma and Trunks. Oh, no, they say like, they say that like, the survivor, like the world population is like in the tens of thousands still. So there's more survivors. We just don't we just don't know any other named Carrie. Yeah, I was thinking like, he only survived me cast. I mean, we don't know. Like, they can like, presumably most of the other Z fighters are gone. Yeah, he did because they don't mention them. But like, maybe that's for sure Goku's that for the illness. Would you just add? I mean, like, again, those are confirmed, right? We know Piccolo is gone. Piccolo must have been a plot point. Yeah, exactly. Vegeta, the Vegeta's day. I think the ones that we can like 100% confirm are Goku Vegeta Piccolo. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then the rest fuck if like they could also just be in hiding, you know, training. Yeah. No. That's speculation. Like, they're all underground bunkers, he said. Like, yeah, fallout type of deal. I wonder if they could they didn't like make more androids than if they like, if they, or it was just the two of them took of the entire world and the entire human population has to like be in bunkers. Probably. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like if you're outside, like, above ground, it's just like, you're in danger of the angle. It's just coming to kill you for fun. Yeah. I think it's just the two because some per period, probably would have mentioned that. Or like, oh, they're my name. So yeah, that would be crazy. They just fucking split them the middle and become two. And regenerate. Okay. So back to like the actual chapters, like Vegeta's in a fucking interesting position, like storytelling wise, because he's an unbearable asshole and I want to see him get a shit kicked in. But also that's being done by the bad guys. So it's like, I don't want the bad guys to win. But on the other hand, I want to see Vegeta get punched. Yeah, come around in this place. Would you just to come around to like, like he's on the right path, like he still might be an asshole, like be like a prideful bitch, but he'll get. Currently his goal is a killing Goku. Yeah, it's like after I'm done with. It turns to like beating Goku, like it is with the 1718 right now. That's like, yeah, we can live with that. This was rival shit. Exactly. Yeah, true. And then they push each other to like go to higher heights, right? Like if Goku and Vegeta both like want to beat each other, then they're going to go to higher heights. Yeah. Vegeta just got like a huge ego hit. All right, true. Yeah. You got the giant boost in like the off period that they had. Yeah, it's like I'm finally a super saying, you know, I'm stronger than Kakarot. Yeah, I got it. Yeah, massive. It's like I got to, he has to go through that. Yeah. Also, shout out to Krillin, only character of self-preservation instinct survival instinct. I love it. I love it. See it. He's the smartest character. I don't care what any stat books or all this shit say. He wants to stay alive and I was. He's always in the brains. He's always in the brains out of the two of them. Oh, but eat like, okay, you know, smarter than Bulma because Bulma brought her and her fucking baby into a fucking war zone. I was like, I'll be fine. They're all still alive. I'm sure it's fine. Almost still both of them. True. True. I don't know. I don't know how social services would look at this. No, I do know. She would not have that kid anymore. She would not be a parent anymore. Yeah, but listen, what'd it go to Vegeta? I don't think it would. That's what I just cared. Into Foste there. Yep. I think. I think Chi Chi would take it over. I think the grandparents would. They see you. I have grandparents on our normal normal normal. Yeah, they seem they seem nice, like doctor. No, but like, Bulma lives with them. So that's not not taking the child away from that. So like, because of that, because the living arrangements that you would go into Boston, here, probably, unless there's another one. Or you can take Bulma out of that house. Has their life together. I mean, I don't know how they'd be dealing with, you know, as alien, half alien, half human thingy, you know. Hey, fucking go on seems to be managing just fine. True. That is true. Strong. And the future seems to be doing good. So. Yeah, good enough. I mean, yeah, I mean, like, this situation isn't great, but him as a person seems. He's a great person, you know, he's probably one of my favorite characters, actually, in the story. Like, we haven't talked much about my favorite characters on the podcast, but like, Trump is definitely up there for me. Like, I think his whole line is great. He's cool. You know, he's also like, logical. He's like, we should work together. We should give ourselves the best chance of survival of winning way to all super things. We have our hair. So, yeah. I feel like it was thought that he's dealing with somebody dealing with some of the most unreasonable people, people to ever people. Yeah, I feel like if Trunks was there before, like, didn't leave, and they were like, oh, we don't want to try the weird words. Yeah, not just like when they were discussing the thing and they were like, I don't want to want to destroy the androids. He'd be like, fuck you guys, gather to drag the bolts, find out where the hideout is, and we'll probably destroy them. Because like, Trunks, he would have done it himself. Yeah, he's like, you'll go back in time to destroy it, but that won't change this future. No, but he was also hoping that he was like, oh, you know, I won't change this future, but I want the future to be safe. Where's Kate? Well, we want to find the plans to destroy the androids. Or if that didn't work, would he just bring Goku to the future so he could also like, help deal with them. So that's where like the two, like the back of plans as well. Yeah, also everyone. Yeah, there was somewhere. Yeah, everyone is like, oh, even if, oh, what was that? Don't worry about it. Everyone's like, yeah, Goku wouldn't make a difference here. Because like, he's even if he recovers, gets a Zenkai. It's like, it's this looking. I mean, I don't know if they're taking the Zenkai boost into account, because they're not talking about it anymore. And I don't know if you kind of show don't tell, so or don't tell don't show. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. So like, unless they do like, oh, if you're a lot stronger now, but Goku saying this shit up, I don't think they're going to do it. Like, I think it's still something we should take into consideration being the audience. But the character, the characters definitely are thinking about that anymore. To be fair, they're literally fighting Andrew that are about destroyed the world and their best friend. So you tend to forget our things in time. I can make sense in the situation. I mean, okay, so like, true, but the thing, the fact is we're dealing with characters, not people. And like, in the story, it like has a duty to show everything that will be pertinent to the conclusion of its conflict, right? Yeah. It can hold some of it back for later reveals, but it like, it will show everything that will be pertinent. So if they're not talking or not, like it's up to like how they show Goku coming back, of course. But if they don't show Goku, like being stronger or anything like that, then then like the story, we can safely assume that the story just forgot that it was a thing. That is the thing that like, we can't have to keep it. Keep track of and keep into account. And it's just like, it's, they're taken to account around it. Like it's, it's just like a bit frustrating. But yeah, Piccolo is God now for the demon and God in one. He's a nameless Namekian. Yeah, that forgot his name long ago. Can I just call him? Sure. They're still going to probably kill him Piccolo because he looks the exact same. So yeah, eventually they're going to just also he just randomly like got his cloak and shit and turban back. No, so I look at that for like, good while it looked like he like fucking transport like that. You saw like the movement lines on him? Like, he's got the clothes beam. He just beam. Yeah, he just make clothes appear. He should make a clothing line. Wait, how much bag could he make about from that? Oh my God. Modern in the modern society. That's how he takes over the world. Corporate. Oh my God. Makes the clothing line becomes a clothing design. And then takes over the world that way. There it is. Piccolo, we got you covered. Make sure to hire us as random bastards. That's actually genius. Oh, a little comment. Like, no, not now. It's not big. We're threatened though. Like, what do you mean not big of a threat enough? That was just, that was just like asking you shall receive. Like, I don't know. I don't know if like, this is a big enough like problem giant explosion goes off in the back. I stand corrected. I think we might want to do Greek acidity and actually we go by. All right. So I actually had a theory that like, I don't know if it's gonna hold up at all, because I already like found like maybe a paul hole for it. But we can discuss this. So like, this, I just got like onto a train of thought off of what Tien said about Vegeta. Like, Tien said that Vegeta is pride personified, right? And that got me thinking, like, if like, eat Super Saiyan that we've seen so far, like correlates to one of the seven that we since because pride is one. Yeah. And then like, you know, we know that Goku awakened to rage. So like, it's either like, when they're in Super Saiyan or like, when they awaken, you can correlate one of those, one of the seven at least into them. So because we know that Goku awakened through rage, wrath. And then Vegeta pride. Yeah. So then like, we don't know enough about like, when Frank's awakened slash how he really is in like Super Saiyan, like, I want to, I want to try and observe that and like, maybe think about that. But I was thinking maybe like, we can, like, honestly, like, I feel like we could put envy on him. And because there's a little better future. That but like, I think that's even more of a stretch like when we first, not first, but when we see him talk to Goku after Goku, like, arrives back on Earth and they're like, testing each other in like Super Saiyan. Hey, can you go Super Saiyan? I want to see. Let's look at what he says. Yeah. But like, just like, he also like acknowledges that he's like stronger than him, that like, Goku is stronger than him in Super Saiyan and stuff like that. So like, I kind of feel like, do we, you can maybe correlate that to envy? It might be a bit of a stretch. Like, I feel like Trunks is a bit like if he like, around the edges for it. But I feel like it would be a cool concept, right? Because like, at least with the two main ones that we've seen and like, no way good. Like, they, they definitely like fall into that. So. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Like, there, there's only like, four possible ones right now that are alive, including Gohan. Yeah. So like, if we can, if we say like, okay, Trunks, like, it's a bit iffy, but like, we can put him into like, envy, then like, that leaves, uh, sloth. Uh, I like, I lost this, definitely the one where I'm just like, that's like, I don't know if that's the other that happened. Female Super Saiyan. Yeah. Like, I could, I could see a character. I mean, writing it like that. Yeah. That's what I'm thinking as well. Or you could look at it as, uh, gluttony. You know, lost. Yeah. Her. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. That's, I don't think so it doesn't necessarily have to be. Yeah. I think gluttony would be a fucking funny one. Like, let me sloth last, what's the fourth one? You'd say? Uh, you read? I agree. He's agreed. Yeah. It could go on. I could see greed. Maybe like, he, like, no, no, he's not really been greedy. Like, like, maybe like, read for like power. Like, as in like, he, he needs more power. He needs to like, I mean, to be fair, go like making the time machine to go into the future to get, to give yourself a better future is that is kind of greedy. True. That is true. True. And then go. And I mean, like, he also does want everything to go according to his plan. Like, we've talked it up to, like, you know, obviously, like, it's very understandable that he is doing that. But like, it is also like a greedy way to think, right? That everybody has to listen to him. That like, he, his plan is what's going to make things work. Bulma hasn't changed. He just talks about her in a bit like, that'll be crazy. No, I think like, in that way, trunks could like, I think great fits better than envy. Yeah. And then go on and get me envious over like this father or like Vegeta or trunks who he, yeah, and then like, I want to do that as well. And then, yeah, there you go. Yeah, since Gohan probably needed to step into that role since, you know, well, all the power high is just died. Yeah. Goku Vegeta Piccolo. Well, you know, you get the super sign at some point because trunks, they just said, oh, he tried me to get this in the future. Like, yeah. So he looks at now or later, we don't know, but he looks at you, look, it will get us up at some time. So now interesting thing to like, think about like, yeah, it's future as well. Because I think it fits. I think definitely not that we've like, had trunks for greed. I think it works. I think it works. Also, after Vegeta gets his ass cake, he has a whole ass angsty session session, like just by himself, you close up and just, yeah, like, this is, this is so like funny. Like, this is definitely like the, just like the agents that were like, that it's being written for was like, it's just like, angsty, like, Vegeta's whole ass growing adult, but like, he's angstying right now. I'm so man right now. Take a rot. Take a rot. Take a rot. Yeah. You don't understand. Okay. Batman Jesus. That was not that much. You know, something. Vegeta the, Vegeta the edgelord. That's crazy. Vegeta is got him an edgelord at this point. He is. Yeah. Like, the closest thing we got before that was like Piccolo and like, he wasn't. Piccolo is a sweetheart. Let's put it that way. Don't let him hear you say that. No, he beat my ass. I think he just, you know, yell very firmly. Be like, no, I am. Right now as the name of the American, I feel like he's not as evil as just Piccolo. I feel like he got some of the good sides from from Kami. Right. Yeah. I was like, I mean, I agreed because like, Piccolo wasn't nearly as evil as he used to be. Yeah. No, I mean, you've all taken over the world. Yeah, sure, buddy. It's like, yeah, he's still at heat. You know, the evil in him is almost gone. You know, it's be it'll probably end. Yeah. Close enough. Yeah. Close book man. It's crazy. What? People are scared of the bug, man. Yeah, that is, you know, trucker makes it makes sense. Oh my god. But I'd be scared of shit if I saw, you know, a bug alien person walking towards me. We shouldn't get into the self stuff that much yet because like, he's not, like, we're not there. I mean, we know he killed like an entire city by just being there, I guess, and the people just vanished like that. The clothes are there. This is like some really like red scare shit as well. Yeah. Also the timing on this is perfect. Like, you know, we were already fighting the Androids. Fuck it. Let's add an alien on top of that. Yeah, I've said it before, but like the frantic vibes of Dragon Ball are like, I think unparalleled because the willingness to like not milk things. Like, that's crazy thing to say about that. No, I know. But the willingness to not milk things and just throw more shit on top of it instead is insane. Yeah. Like, that's the fuck finishing that story first. Let's add this already first and then prepare that for like, running, it's like almost over. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, oh, shit, this, oh, no, this, this, oh, this is like you keep it like we saw it on the like in the Fraser saga. Like it was like you had Vegeta running around. Yeah, the Vegeta, like Vegeta, Frieza running around, Frieza's other forces being being there. Then you had the fucking guineu force showing up. Yeah, the gang had like multiple factors to like think about during the arc that it was kind of, the odds were really stacked against them at the start. So. And it feels like we're getting there again. Yep. Yeah. The same saga was the simplest, like, okay. Two aliens arrived. They're coming. They're coming. They're here. Cool. Defeat them if you can. So, and then that, so that was pretty simple. And then the namix saga. And now this with all the time travel shenanigans and stuff happening with and with the extra androids, right? Yeah. So, I remember back in like 20, almost like six years ago, so like probably like 2018, 2017. I was watching Dragon Ball Super. And, you know, like, I just like, I just remember calling up a friend to just discuss time travel in Dragon Ball. Real. Yeah. Cause I was like, okay, we need to figure this out. Yeah. Like the car board, like fucking boards. But like, it felt like that, because we were on the foot for like a solid hour. Just like, okay, wait, so if this does this, then that does that. And then like, how's that? Yeah. How's the correlate? Is there this or does that because of this? And then they just keep going. It's like, we got to, we got that one doing this and then that one going like that. Yeah. So, what happened to you over here? How did this happen? Yeah. It's like, it's not, it was very like conspiracy theory vibes, but non-districtive scratches are funny as fuck. Just this and that. That's all there is. There's just this, that and the other. Yeah. So, all there is, folks. Copyright infringement anyways. Yeah. So, this is kind of crazy. I love the like, fake clothes in the sea. So, you've finally arrived, huh? Just like, I'm talking for you. Yeah. Yeah. It's around. Just like, yeah. Kami has been, no, I have you. That's just got to say, Kami has been very, has had an ominous feeling for this for years. I was like, oh, you know, when trucks arrived, I was like, oh, it's probably the androids. But, um. And he just didn't trust him. He was like, man, I have some. Yeah. So, like, I, and then we have a piccolo, right? It's like, I think there is something else, you know, I can't quite put my fingers on it because androids, you know, they just kind of beat you up left you there. They knew about sense of being so just, you know, let you be. But it's like, for future reference, for like the next arc or whatever, because she's just half himself, like transporter, then in the Meckian planet, and just like, absorb some people. Oh, they have their own life. That's kind of crazy. Flying obviously in discussion with. But like, he's going to need a power boost. I'm just saying like, there's no more the Meckians on there. We can't get the power to increase a lot because of this, right? Like, mostly magical power because most of magic power went to Kami. Yeah. Like, that's like, that's like shit, like beams and shit. Oh, his beam. He can make more clothes. He can do his beam quicker. Yeah. No more five minute wind-up time, baby. Let's go home. Yeah. You could eliminate power. You know, in hindsight, the attack with like five minute charging time, it's not really suited for battle, is it? No, no, you're second. I got to charge my beam first. Five minutes. Yeah. Not really. Not really good. Well, for battle. Yeah. Unless you unless you like, have teammates to back you up. Yeah, then you're, then you're cooked. Also, this is like, uh, well, yeah, I was going to say this last week. This was the first time we kind of saw like a villain being shambles in like Dr. Jerome because he, a lot of honest faith that shit got pulled up on him, like super sand and stuff. So he was really in the back foot. So that was kind, that was kind of interesting to see. I think he's laughing from beyond the grave right now or? Yeah, probably, probably. I mean, probably not because, you know, the first of all, it just defeated all the Z fighters and just let them be. And they're like, I guess we can beat Goku, you know, sure. Why is it not? Well, I mean, 16 still wants to kill him. So yeah, that's about. Yeah, I guess it just places his hopes on 16 is like, please, please. So that's just why I mean, he works your magic. But you wanted to destroy. Yeah, he also didn't want him to wake up. So no, no, still, he still know why exactly he's that big threat. Like it can probably is just like automated. So he probably just like goes all out from start. Doesn't really care about like saving the surroundings. I mean, he cares about the birds. So maybe he does care about the bees. That's a good question. We don't know. Yeah, we don't know. Also, keeping trying to keep Goku safe for 10 days because like, yeah, sure, we got that. Yeah, right. I mean, no, because like, they're doing the whole road trip thing. So yeah, and he knew that it's fair. Like, I knew that we're just going to take a bus or like a truck or whatever. So they just like, flew like they can and do it the fast and then just got into a place that's presumably more than 10 days away. If this would be of them, like the three androids, just like, okay, we'll split up. We search all three of us search this area. Like you have the issue of that. You have that we fly over a day, not even they would have them. Yeah, that would be quick. But like, yeah, but like they don't they're not in any rush. Yeah, they're at all. They have infinite energy. Yeah, so I don't believe that. I generally don't believe that. They say like it feels infinite. Like like they like one of them. I don't know if it's misinformation or something or so. It's one of them said, Nalian. I think it was shrunk talking about them at some point. So I'm like, okay, so it's not infinite. But so there is an end to it, right? They just got to be into it. There's no way that like you can't have infinite energy just in your life's content. That's just how it is. There's some division of energy, you know, there's a lot of energy in the world in the universe. Exactly. So and you can't and first of all, thermodynamics, you can't create something. I don't know. Nothing. Nothing. Exactly. No, like, no energy can be created out of nothing. So like it's all just it like it either gets into use one of you or like heat or any other like byproduct of whatever the energy. Even if you have perfect like like maybe 100% efficiency or making energy. That's still just like one to one. Like there's no like bonus energy that you get. That's not like a little like, oh, you got more here. It's like 0.05% like so. There's no achievements for this. If you can make like energy out of air, water, ground, whatever, like if you can make air energy out of fire with the full quad. Everything. Sure. There is still a fine amount of energy that can be made from all those things. Those things run out. The earth has a fine amount of oxygen, a fine amount of air, fine amount of water, fine amount of ground. Like there's still a fine amount of those resources. There's a lot of it. You'll find out. True. I saw like, I saw a thing at some point where I said that like, um, I don't know how much it was, but like a certain like percentage of like all the energy that there is available. Like I think it was like 30% or something is like in use. Yeah. That's so like, yeah, 30% of all the energy that we could create on earth is in use already. Yeah. Yeah. Well, like it'll be in circulation. But like, I think it's like we use literature's energy and then the literature's energy like still comes back around like it's more complicated than this, but yeah, still. Yeah. But the point is they have a shit ton of energy regardless. So yeah. For now, it doesn't make a lot of like 18, like she didn't like, didn't even get like damage on her because somehow she gets to regenerate, I guess. No, I think the first place because the entire energy is overpowering or overpowering, I guess. She's just stays the same strength while he gets weaker. So he just, you know, attacks to less damage, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like that. But like, I mean, like he did like a big beam, just like big last attack, right? Yeah. And on her and she didn't damage from the big banging thing. She didn't damage. Is that just like her power overwhelming that I might feel like energy, like her energy overpowering the energy of the attack? Yeah. She's like, she's just stronger. She's just stronger. Also, Vegeta did say that he wasn't, he wasn't really trying as well. So yeah, for her being stronger and Vegeta holding back until that, you know, a little later into the fight makes sense that it didn't really do any damage. Yeah, that's like the whole like showing thing right of like the main characters and like everyone just holds back until they have to go all out. Is that going all out from the start? Like the enemies do? Yeah. For here, I think it would have made more sense to go all out, you know, from the start because, you know, they have the leverage of being able to drag out the fight. But I think in fights is that you have to conserve your energy, right? And then stir down the sea, like, don't go full on from the beginning because then you'll be, you'll be done later on in the fight, right? You'll be cooked really quickly. So it makes sense conserving your energy. It's also like trying to test out like the opponent. Yeah. Just like, like, especially in this situation where there's three opponents, right? If you don't have to go all out on the first one to beat them, then you want to do that because you want to conserve energy for the next. Exactly. All right. And a lot of times, as we've seen in Dragon Ball, it's a gauntlet. Like, you're not, you're not one and done. We're, you're running the gauntlet. Yeah, true. True. And Vegeta was flying through like he was flying like, I don't know, 18, they go back to 17 and then 16 when he's done. Are you just flying to like, from all of them? Yeah. He didn't get to like, who goes round and he called them bad words. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, I'll take the woman, then I'll take the band bandana, dude, then I'll take the big bastard. So yeah. Yeah. Big bastard. It's like, it seems like a wrestler name. The big bastard. Big bastard. Logan. He's like a villain name, but like, I can see it. Loki, 16 could be a wrestler. Like, he's, he's built for that. Yeah. It was just like, this one is like, in, like, he's built. He's tall as shit. And as per usual, when I see a tall person, I go, this man could dunk. Yeah. 16 could dunk. I feel like he could just like, you do like a little hop and just like the mollustering. Yeah. I feel like he could check it. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think is taller between 16 and Piccolo? Piccolo. Yeah. Piccolo's taller, but like six people like more people. Yeah, that makes sense. Like, does that mean you would rather have like 16 as your power forward or like your, or like still your center because of like the power he has. Piccolo is 741, 741, 222 centimeters. Oh shit. This man's nearly stalls 1b. I think he's like, 270 means smaller. I feel like you gotta put him at center. Like, then 16 powerful. Yeah. Probably. But yeah, that would probably make the most sense. That's a, that's a crazy line. That's a crazy, like, one, two, though. Yeah, that would be a great line. Like, like, I feel like, because like, you just have to like double one of them and that frees up the other and like, you're not stopping them with less than two. Yeah. So like, every every dryable character right now, how, what would your five main picks be? I'm taking, I'm taking criminal point guard. Yeah. Then I'm like, the IQ is crazy. Like, I know he's small, but like, I feel like I feel like it still works out with my point guard. I feel like it is like, it's like IQ would be crazy. Like, the passes and shit. Exactly. Then I take like, I mean, yeah, like I said, like, I think Piccolo at Piccolo Center, 16, a power forward, and then we got like three spots. No, we've got two spots over. We got shooting guard and we got the small forward left open. So somebody who would be able to like, shoot, shoot really well, because like, surrounding Piccolo and 16 with shooters is going to be the way to open up the driving lanes for them. So I think, I think you'd want like, I think freezer, freezer would be, I think freezer would be freezer small for it. I think freezer would just levitate the ball into it. You would not even take it into like a cow, like, it wouldn't be able to do like all the crazy shit. Exactly. So I think Piccolo could like stretch his arm out. Like, if we're on that road, yeah, but we're not doing that route. So yeah, I feel like, yeah, no, I think, I think, keep freezer shooting guard, put Tien at small forward. Oh, yeah. I would actually, I'm sure maybe. Yeah. I was thinking Yomchir shooting guard, honestly. Yeah, I think, I think Yomchir, yeah, I think swap out Yomchir for Tien, because I think Tien works well, if you maybe slide him over to power forward, but if you have 16, you don't need him, right? So I think you can have Tien coming up with events or like put them on a different team, because I think like, if we're doing main five Tien, like kind of like, there's overlap in the skill sets. And I don't think, I think that just getting, we'll give you diminishing terms at that point. Tien can see a lot though. I have the chair. Yeah, he's got corporate, he goes crazy court vision, he's got crazy court vision. So coach, maybe, maybe he does that. Maybe he does, he pulls a magic and it's like a six, nine fucking point guard. Oh, yeah. Or crazy court vision. That would be insane. Okay, so T, so I got, I got critical one, free set of two, Yomchir three, and then six net four and pickle out the five. What team do you think could rival this with other Dragon Ball characters? Other Dragon Ball characters? Okay. Ooh. I think any Goku in there somewhere, but like what? Yeah, yeah, I think Goku is very battle smart and he's very adaptable too. So wouldn't give him the point guard position though. Ah, I was, I don't think the point guard ball ends will be good for him. I think like he's in a good position to like catch lobs and, you know, like attack the paint. So I feel like, I feel like you would have to go like, I think like the team that we just built is like a very classic basketball, like really good solid team. I think if we want to put Goku, I think Goku would fit in like the go and say warrior type thing where playing small ball. So you have like, dream on as like the center. So I think Goku has to center with like small ball lineup. True, that's fair. I feel like Goku would play a lot bigger than his size. Yeah, probably, probably. Yeah. And then, oh, okay. So are we also taking like H into account? Because I don't know. I don't think so. I think we take like prime version, everybody. Yeah. Okay. Because then I feel like Roshi could fit in there somewhere. Oh, right. Roshi is crazy. That's like some, that's like a wheelchair. When he goes big muscle mode, you're not blocking him. You're not blocking him. Just not do it. So do, but like, would he be center? Like, like, would he play center for us? Like, so it's like Goku over to the floor? Yeah. Yeah. I think that. Yeah. I think that's a good shot. Do we then put the end in magic mode in Magic Johnson role of like big point guard with court vision? Yeah. Yeah. That's a good shot. So we have a one, a four and a five right now. So we need. So once again, we're left with the shooting guard and the small board. Yep. Hear me out. Tommy somewhere in there. He's he's tall, but like, I mean, I'm coming. I'm coming. Yeah. Good. Yeah. True. Oh, I feel like it'd be a good shooting guard. Well, we're going insane with height right now. Like, I think Goku is our smallest player. Yeah. True. I mean, if we. I think we're on the wall. Do we count Roshi's like prime to be like the big muscle mode? Because then I think we do. I don't know if he's that's actually taller than Goku. I don't know how much bigger he gets. I think I think I think the height still like, I think the height still crazy though. Yeah. But like, who do we so like, we're putting Kami as the like, I'm coming shooting guard. So who we're putting at our small forward? Mm. I mean, he thought it's Krillin, but Krillin wouldn't be to Krillin's already on the other team. So yeah. Yeah. Okay. Is it like, I know we haven't seen much of them yet, but I think, I think putting sell was small forward. Like, he's pretty, he's like, also pretty tall. And I think, you know, I feel like he could get up to see it. Hmm. It's about the close height. I mean, we didn't see much. But yeah, like they seem about similar height. So yeah, like his feet. So, yeah, or, or we could go with someone like, Ginyu. Yeah, I was thinking, like, if we're going, like going all in on height, I think Ginyu is like, yeah. All right. That's the Ginyu. Okay. Okay. So which team do you think wins in the seven game series if we're doing that? The first one. I think the first one. Well, how close are we going to game seven or like? I think I think it'll be a six game series. I think I think so. Yeah. I don't think it's seven. I don't think it's that close. Yeah, I'll probably not look the first team is just better. Wait, wait, the first team just think we make one theme. So you took the best characters for every position and then like, oh, yeah, what are we, what are we left to make another theme, right? So yeah, yeah, it makes sense. But like, it's crazy that like, we didn't even like put the MC on the like, on the best team. Like, like, you don't get it. So maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe pull some plot armor shit. Maybe he's a little part of wins. Anyway, like the game seven, he wins that. And then they just ended the day. Like, it's like, like, it's like, if they get the game seven, then like, you know, I think I think team two players, but like, I don't think it's going to be that close. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, Goku has been out of commission for a while now, so. And time where days to go. Cool. Now we're getting more side characters. I hope he comes back next 10 chapters because I want to see him again. Like, it's bit so obviously an action. Yeah. That's fair. But hey, now we get more and get more side character action, at least. That's true. That's true. See, anything else that we want to mention? Yeah. Then you got your wish of less Goku. So. But the side characters are getting shaft. They don't really get time to sign up just in pain. Anyway, we're going to end off today's episode. We'll see you guys next week. And as always, I have been joined by you. Later. But. Bye. I've been here. I was Ben and we'll see you next week.