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Jeff Poor Show - Wednesday 9-04-24
[MUSIC PLAYING] From Bucks Pocket to the shores of Orange Beach, at all points in between, an insider's perspective on Alabama politics. It's the Jeff Porsche show. I don't think Hank done it this way. [MUSIC PLAYING] Good morning, and welcome to the Jeff Porsche Show. And if I'm talking 106.5, happy Wednesday morning to you. Thanks for coming on. We do appreciate it. 2-5-1-3-4-3, 0-1-0-6, you wouldn't be a touch of the show. All you gotta do is text me, and we will correspond, or I will react, or whatever it is we will deal with it. Once again, 2-5-1-3-4-3, 0-1-0-6. It's got to have been about a half hour fight for Alabama Family Coalition, Corinne O'Brien, and Alabama Fertility Dr. Mamie McLean. We'll be with us. Talk IVF. I spent a lot of time on this, and it's the hot button issue. It's a hot button issue with Alabama Connections. The media get this, I think, completely wrong. They use this as a talking point. So you'll hear this. You'll hear them say, well, we can't say Alabama. They're bad IVF. And that's not what happened here. And, you know, whatever you think of the issue, and I've gone over this a hundred times about how that decision came to be, and it was a civil case, a criminal case, clearly the talking point to people using it, I have no idea what the hell they're talking about. But the court was backed into a corner because one of the actors in this litigation, and didn't want to settle. So they decided to roll the dice to the very right of center Alabama Supreme Court, and that's the decision they got. So anyway, that is coming up in about a half-hour, also Joy Clark from New York, 93-1 in Montgomery, and then we'll wrap it up in the 11 o'clock hour Scott Butcher from the Trussle Tribute. If you haven't mentioned, I have a double duty this week, having to fill in later tomorrow, I guess tomorrow and Friday, and then again, next Thursday, Friday, I'll be in Birmingham probably at the Shelby County Bureau at my mom's house to be precise, but I'm broadcasting this show, and then we'll go down town or we'll go to Homewood and do a four-hour Leelord in Whaley, if you don't know, a Birmingham radio does four hours a day from two to six every day, so a better seven hours of radio, 14 hours at the end of the week here. So that's where I'll be in case you care what you probably don't. Let's kick it off here. Yeah, it looks like we're kind of moving on from Kamala, mania to more kind of mainstream media coverage. It's not particularly exciting. Everybody's really honed in on polling right now. It kind of fascinating polling results. I tell you guys, when you watch these polls, when you watch them come in, they don't want no Fox News as they poll that leans Democrat. I can't explain it to network leans Republican, but they're polling is a very, very Democrat. When you think about polling too, just, yeah, my radio brother and Dell Jackson, I said, well, the polls get it right. They get it right, but they always get the margins wrong. And that's what you got to like. That's what you got to understand like they get the margins wrong because I don't think some of them do it intentionally. Maybe they do, but I think mostly they just operate on this faulty sense of how the world really works. Who's going to vote? I mean, all of this politics, not the policy, but the politics and understanding voter behavior and trying to gauge public opinions on kind of like a psycho psychological game and trying to figure out what the mood of the public is and, you know, a lot of times in our history, way more times in our history than probably we should, we're sitting the day after election day. Wow, I didn't see that coming or you know, it happens all the time, right? Like we're at least once twice, you'll have a big shocking election result every decade or so tell it, we should tell you this, all of this is not an exact science and all these people who they're very confident about what they think is going to happen. And I think it's all for show that old trustees, these people who knows anything could happen. I mean, that's just kind of a lazy way out, but really like you got to kind of operate on what you think you know, and apply it to the, you know, everybody's kind of an agenda or whatever, then even the show, we have an agenda, I mean, I'm a right winger, but I feel like I'm like enough of a, it's almost like sports, right, where if your team's not playing well, and you look at the coaching situation and you know that there's something amiss, well, we need different people in, I mean, that's, it's objective, even though we have our opinions about what ought to be happening in the world. I don't think I'd say it's funny how the media are treating, there's still some of them are still trying to resurrect this Arlington kerfuffle, but it got real quiet, right? When on Labor Day, all of these parents, all these Gold Star family members, making Instagram or TikTok or whatever, Facebook, Twitter videos, saying just, just, just, just criticizing the Biden administration for how they handle the Afghanistan pullout at Abigat, and the media have backed off of that. So what they've done though, they bring out, they brought out a Fred Trump, the third, the nephew, they brought him out, I guess, Mary Trump was busy, and they brought out John McCain's son. All I knew about Megan McCain, I didn't know he, she had a brother, but apparently that's the go to people for expert analysis of what Donald Trump really thinks of the American military. Excellent, right? I mean, it doesn't get any better than that. The son of John McCain and the nephew of Donald Trump, to tell us really what Donald Trump really thinks of the military. I guess, I guess, Mary Trump was busy, 2513430106, hit us up on that text line, let us know what is on your mind. I was listening to talk about early voting. My experience only once in a presidential election cycle, have I done early voting? And it was, it was a 2020 cycle. And it was still registered to vote in Tallahassee, but I was, I was doing the show up, we went full time to Fair Hope in 2021. But I was, no, maybe it was, it was 2016, it was just one or the other, but what they do in Florida with early voting, I mean, it, it, in the end helped Republicans, because they were looking at, yeah, I had to be 2016. They were looking at how many Floridians were coming out to vote early and you had to register. You have to like declare a party in Florida and they know this. And they were tracking. It was fascinating to watch because there were more Floridians, Republicans showing up to early vote and Democrats. But what all you do with that is so you don't fill out anything and you did one polling precinct in the county is open. If you want an early vote, you may have to drive a little further or you may have to go to it, but you go an early vote and you get the sticker, it's just like going to go vote, but I'm not crazy about the concept, but it, you know, it could work in some circumstances if we had to play and implement it because yes, it's going to be easier for Democrats to vote. But Florida, I mean, you look at 12 and you look at AOA, I mean, that was an Obama state and it flipped to a Republican state after that and they had early voting. Now all these things, what's good about early voting to a Florida does it is it's a controlled environment. There's a chain of custody, right? You know, there's no, it's not like you're going around knocking on people's doors with a pre-filled out absentee ballot and handing it to them to sign. Oh, and here's a parting gift, but you're actually going to go vote and those ballots presumably are stored somewhere. And that's why that works for them. So I mean, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. But yeah, it's 16 because I was on the road a lot chasing Donald Trump around the state of Florida and he was doing like two, three rallies right up to the very end right up on Saturday being in Tampa and it's Sunday making the jog over across the peninsula, the Palm Beach or West Palm Beach and coming back to Sarasota, you know, on Monday and then, you know, hitting like one in Jacksonville or somewhere and then right back to Tallahassee for the election day. So like getting around and not really knowing where you're going to be for the election early voting was kind of the idea there. So I mean, I'm not, I don't like the way the Democrats want to deal with all this mail-in nonsense and, you know, that that is, there's room for fraud there. But in the way the state of Florida does it with one precinct and it's just like the precinct operates for the entire month of October or something from the uh, October 6th to November 6th or something again, you could go vote if you really want to. Now a big believer that you go vote on election day. We shouldn't have an election season, but if you ever backed into a corner and the state had to do that, that's the way to do it. Two, five, one, three, four, three, zero, one, zero, six, if you want to entertain that question further. Uh, what else do we have here? We got a Kamala Harris out on the road today. And then Donald Trump doing a good town hall this evening. Uh, make of that what you will, uh, I think that's uh, that's about the way this goes. There's no, I mean, at this point, do we really, is there any new policy that's going to be introduced? The message is out there. We're really targeting the media markets and I'd still be worried about Pennsylvania. I mean, you still have to deal with the shenanigans that could go on in the city of Philadelphia, right? And we saw the fake, the Eagles, Kamala Harris and the Eagles helmet or whatever, posters. I mean, that kind of stuff that just kind of happens and the Republicans had to deal with it appropriately. Uh, sitting here today, and this is my God, honest opinion, I, I still feel good about where the Republicans are. And it's not that it's not, you're looking at this wondering why, why, why don't they do this? It's not, it doesn't feel like a Mitt Romney situation or a McCain situation, like we're going to take this tactic off the table or whatever. We're going to run a clean, honest campaign. I mean, I feel like the Trump campaign is doing what it needs to do to win. And I guess this is what I would say is to build up the Butler, right? Maybe they do like a big grand finale rally in Butler with the same setting. Uh, and that forces the media to have to talk about the assassination attempt a little more that they're trying to act like it's ancient history. The debate is, was two weeks from yesterday, not sure how that's going to go. Donald Trump does pretty well, but come on, Harris did all right, but she debated Pence and she did really well in one of the, the Democrat primary debates. But for some reason, they are keeping her on the down low when it comes to environments that aren't controlled, and I guess the question would be why. Let's get a break here, be right back. This is FM Talk, one of those six, five, when I picked up more than I could shoot, but it flew it all when there was no, like a rhinestong cowboy, riding out on a horse set of stars playing the rodeo, like a rhinestong cowboy, getting caught and laid. Well, back to the jump horse shoulder from talk one, oh, six, five, it takes like two five, one, three, four, three, zero, one, zero, six, hit us up on the text line, if you want to respond anything we're talking about, let's go through some text here. Pass this on to your friends in Gomri or I am in a round fare up if you need something as well. At least you know, I share your concern of values. Well, thank you, Tony, on a texture, your revision of gas on the IVF issue and how we got here is laughable. You can't be anti-abortion, a pro IVF, sure you can. You could be both, let me do whatever I want to do, actually, but the gas lighting is, you guys are trying to fight for this narrative on IVF. You think, you're not going to see that to Republicans, no, no, no, no, you got to have that for your suburban mommy vote, I guess, and anybody who triples on your IVF narrative is gas lighting. I'll see here. Can you ask? I can't, can you ask the kind IVF doctor, she considers embryos are creating a piece of property or form a human life. It has to either be a person or a thing because it's not a place. Well, but the courts have decided this, Michael, that it's a human life, right? I think it's less important about what they personally think, but are they willing to apply the application of the law as a derivative by the state of Alabama? Jerry, I will say it would be great for the census of Alabama for an early voting, especially in the primaries. That's true. I mean, I think about that early voting in a Republican primary probably pushes that back the other direction more to the right, unless of a moderate. It's hard to get people to vote in primaries in Alabama. The turnout's always low, but that's where all the excitement is. It copious amounts of monies are dumped into these primary campaigns and typically they get little out of it. Tim, Jeff, I think the president has been set up from the get-go. If you think about it, Kamala would have never had a chance to run if it wasn't for the way it happened. She was the first to drop out of the last election or were they just sitting her up to be the vice president. I think she dropped out because she just, it was a bad campaign. I think she wanted to be president in 2020. I mean, she was, she was, she, she would have done those debates the way she was, the way she had. But I do think this, Tim, the way this sort of unfolded, I always thought she was the plan B, I mean, they'd be talking about it. And how do you get the plan B? Well, she can't win a primary. Kamala Harris wouldn't have won a primary because the grassroots would have nominated a people to judge or somebody else, Bernie Sanders, whatever. And they weren't going to take that risk. They don't, the thing about Democrats is they'll get their crazies fired up, but they don't trust their crazies to vote. And that was the plan B. Well, then how do we get, how do we supplant Biden for Kamala Harris? And that was sort of the plan online. They just did it, but they had to wait until it was too late. I named texture. The only election Friday that occurred in 2020 was Trump's fake electors. Well, you just listened to this show and just, uh, hate, listen, uh, I named texture. Terry, I'm more upset about the legislature trying to raise online sales tax and IVF garbage. Tell them mobile, ballwood county delegations to vote no. They tried to sneak that one in and it wasn't necessarily the legislators. It was, it was the big cities, uh, mobile, including Sandy Stimson, but the big 10 as they're called, wanted to raise that online sales tax and you always get this kind of organically. Oh, well, it's just, it's, it's concerted because it helps local businesses because, uh, the, the, the, the, the sales tax that they're paying, uh, will be in line with what the local mom and pop shops are having to pay. And that's, it's gay, a local business, but, uh, no, it's still a tax increase. I mean, they were trying to, they were trying to pull that one off. It was fascinating to watch and then when people kind of got wind off it, it went away. They'll come back for Chris Siegelon has filed that same bill this year, so they're going to try again this year. We'll be right back. This is FM talk. 106 five. Have a good time. And in one day, you will the customer of the Indian Lake eat the girl so far away. Then it cried just so the Nashville, and it turned that car around. He said, this is where you get off, boy, because I'm going back to Alabama. As I stepped out of that Cadillac, I said, Mr. Minifanks, he said, you don't have to call me Mr. Mr. The whole world called me high, and he said, rip the canyon. Welcome back to the Jet Force Show. What a good talk. 106 five. Thank you for staying with us on this Wednesday morning text line. Still, if you want to get in to five, one, three, four, three, zero, one, zero, six. That's how you get in touch with the program. So to come new, talk 93 one and Montgomery, Joey Clark going to be with us in about an hour and in two hours, my friend from up near Birmingham, trustable to be precise for the trustable Tribune, Scott butterm. So please stay tuned for that. Joining us now on the line. I have two guests from the fight for Alabama Families Coalition, Corinne O'Brien, and from Alabama Fertility, Dr. Mamie McLean joins us on the line. Ladies, good morning. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for having us. Good morning. Thanks for having us so much. Yeah. Thanks for coming on. Corinne will start with you. Talk a little bit about this effort, the fight for Alabama Families Coalition, what it is and explain it a little bit to us if you could. Yeah. Absolutely. And I guess it makes sense, if it makes sense to kind of bring you through the story from the start. So I work at a nonprofit at the state level in education, policy issues, and but I'm also a current IVF patient. And so to kind of bring you back through how I landed at this point, you know, over five years ago at this point, I lost my mother to pancreatic cancer, and it was when I was six months pregnant with my first daughter. And my mom and I were incredibly close and, you know, that was an incredibly difficult loss to navigate, and I navigated as an only child, so I knew kind of through that experience that I really wanted my daughter to have a sibling to navigate life with after we were gone. So about three and a half years ago, my husband and I began trying for a second child and hit every bump in the road, began working with actually Dr. McClain, Dr. McClain's my doctor, and has gone through at this point many IUI's and different fertility treatments, and now three rounds of IVF. But at the time that the Supreme Court decision came down that Friday, February 16th, I was actually six weeks pregnant from a successful embryo transfer in January. But that morning, we got news that the transfer might not be successful, and then we got the news about the Supreme Court decision, and we're pretty devastated. We didn't know what it would mean at that point, but knew it probably wasn't good. And then over the next couple of days, we saw clinics closing, and, you know, we were devastated thinking like we might lose this baby, and we might not have access to IVF. So that Thursday after the decision came down, I woke up with this down with what I really feel like was design kind of inspiration. I really believe it was my mom pushing me and saying, "Okay, Tran, what's the plan? What are you going to do? You know these legislators, you work at the State House, like what is the plan to work on this issue and to find a quick solution?" So I put an email in a Google Doc and shared that with about 50 colleagues, and by the end of that day, we had no less than 50 people in that Google Doc sending emails. We were hearing that many emails were going out, and, you know, by the next week, we had what has now turned into the fight for Alabama Families Coalition. We had done some mobilized, you know, thousands of IVF families, and that's just the women that are going through it, their husbands, and the grandparents, everyone who's impacted. You know, we had over 350 people travel to the State House to tell their stories and to urge lawmakers to quick action, and because of that, we were able to get a bill passed in over, you know, five days, which we know is the quickest bill can pass in the State of Alabama. And over those weeks, we sent over 33,000 emails, you know, motivating and asking legislators to take action. We're really grateful for the leadership of Senate Pro Tem Reid, and Speaker Redbetter, of course, Senator Tim Nelson, a representative, Terry Collins, who, you know, listened to our experiences and took quick action, and so just incredibly grateful for all that has happened. We still have a lot of work to do, but, you know, we were incredibly grateful that because of their quick action, we were able to get IVF services up and going again. Hey, Corinne, and this was kind of me watching from the outside looking in, but it looked like for a hot second that Alabama was going to lose IVF, and I knew the legislature would ultimately intervene and try to do the right thing, but, you know, especially sitting down here mobile in this clinic and their litigation they had to deal with, you're a big city and you lose the service, I mean, it's a, I don't know, necessarily essential service, but you're not thought of, I mean, you know, professionals, a lot of people that use IVF looking around and they're saying, "Well, when I want to live there, when I want to work there, and I want to have children, but I don't have access to an IVF clinic," I mean, I think that's a, that takes something away from your community. Some people may disagree with procedure or whatever, but if you don't have that service and you have to drive the Pensacola or Biloxi, as it was looking like for a while here, I thought, "Well, that's going to put mobile in particular behind the eight ball." Yes, I mean, we absolutely agree, you know, one of the things that all of this is impacting real Alabama families who have dreams of expanding their family, having, you know, their first child or having more children, and many people, you know, on both sides of the aisle, you know, we're incredibly worried about this, and I think some people still are, you know, we have this IVF immunity law that has passed, but it's been challenged as unconstitutional, and so, you know, I think we still have a lot of work to do to make sure there's full and permanent protection about IVF in our state. I would also add that, you know, we're hearing a lot of talk these days about people saying, "I am pro-IVF," but, you know, maybe there are some reasonable regulations we could think about for IVF, and we really want to push back on that. We know that there are real effects, or in some regulations, that will affect Alabama families. If we're putting burdensome regulations in place, that could result in limiting access to IVF, vastly increasing the cost of IVF, something that is already very expensive, and also vastly increasing the amount of unnecessary rounds of medication and more treatment, and ultimately more pain that families will have to go to, that women will have to go through, and so, we really want to push back on that talk about reasonable regulations, and many of the people who are discussing these don't have real-world experience with the IVF process and won't be even imparted by these regulations, and we know that there are real Alabama families that will be affected by this, and that's the work that we're going to be doing in the months ahead. Dr. McLean, and I'll get you in here and kind of walk us through this. Now, my understanding and one of the criticisms as well, you're fertilizing way too many eggs, and that's creating whatever the ethical objection is, and what to do with those embryos that aren't used, but my understanding, and correct me if I'm wrong here, is that it's kind of like throwing darts at a dart board, and you don't know if you're going to hit the bull's eye, but the more darts you have, the higher the likelihood, so how do you, how much of an impediment would it be to try to streamline some of that, or maybe limit the number of embryos so you don't at the end have these embryos that you have to figure out what to do with? Yes, that's a great question. We know that's a concern of a lot of folks out there, and I would say that, you know, I'm not a dart player, and we, you know, for decisions that practice my subspecialty of medicine, we get a four years of medical school. We do four years of OB/GYN training, then we do three additional years of subspecialty training. We go through two rounds of board certifications, but it's written in oral boards, so we're you know, highly trained, and I would say highly motivated to help these families, so for any couple that's considering IVF treatments, they sit down with their physician in advance of beginning those treatments, and they talk about their history, their laboratory testing, their desired family size, and they make a decision with their physician about their IVF plan, and that absolutely includes how many embryo, or how many eggs do we need to fertilize, because we do want to end up with the ideal number of embryos for them to have their ideal family size, and to your point, it is often challenging to predict. You know, I've got patients that have been through multiple rounds of IVF to achieve upwards of 50 eggs, and they get one embryo. So, you know, some of these reasonable regulations that are being proposed are limiting the number of eggs we could fertilize. That would absolutely limit success of IVF for so many families. It would lead to fewer babies born in our state. It would lead to more costly care for these patients to bear the burden of, and also more risk to patients, because they would have to go through more rounds of IVF. So, that is your question. I don't know that we're exactly throwing darts against the dartboard, because we are using our clinical training and experience in each patient, you know, clinical history and testing to try to make these decisions, but each couple ultimately has the decision of how many eggs are fertilized, and we have some couples that feel very strongly that every embryo should be transferred. And so, for them, we will often limit fertilization to fewer number of eggs to try to help them achieve their family in a way that's a reasonable and safe to them. But then, pose these regulations on all patients would absolutely be devastating to our practice of medicine in this state, and limit access to care. Well, and here's something I'd like you to speak on a little bit, like each round of IVF. It's not just like you could just wake up one day, decide, "I want to have IVF," and you show up at the clinic, and there it is. You do IVF. It's very time consuming, and there's multiple rounds of pharmaceuticals and injections, and it goes... I mean, like, you have to like create the ideal scenario to achieve this, and that's where it gets cost prohibitive for a lot of people, especially the drugs you have to take, the medicines, and that it takes time, and you look at it, I mean, that's sort of the problem, right? It just doesn't happen. Yeah, I mean, you're exactly right, and I would add to that, that no patients want to do IVF, right? Everyone who walks their door, they want to get pregnant without our health. It hasn't happened for them for one reason or another, and then the time is so important. I did an embryo transfer on a couple last week, and I met them for the first time in February, and here we are in August, and it took us six months to get all the way through the embryo transfer, and that even is fast for some patients. Others have been at this for years, and I think all fertility patients out there will appreciate just the impact of time, and waiting, and cycles, and so IVF is not undertaken lightly by anyone. It involves multiple tests and tests and frauds and ultrasounds and lab work. It involves expensive medications and can be a very expensive treatment, so this is not treatment that's taken lightly by anyone. And to jump in there, just as a patient myself, you know, if you're doing IVF, this is at the end of a very long and painful road of you trying for many months, many years for many people to get pregnant. You know, before you get IVF, there's lots of treatments that Dr. McLean had our family go through, and IVF is the very last treatment on the table. You know, no one, I think there's a common misconception out there that people are doing IVF as an elective procedure. You know, this is, this is the last option for many families, and it is a very painful, invasive option. It's expensive. Nobody wants to do IVF, just like Dr. McLean said, so I just wanted to add that there. - Alright, Gordon, I'm kind of hopping along here on, or add on to this. The legislature has 25. The fix you have now is, you guys have now, well, not you guys, but the legislature has now. It's meant to be kind of temporary. What do you think it looks like in 2025 and beyond? And here's always the concern, and either one of you can address this, that there's always the threat or the possibility of an overreach where you shield yourself from some of the liability as a practitioner of IVF, and then something goes wrong, you're shielded by the Alabama legislature or whatever laws enacted. So like, I don't think that's your aim at all, don't get me wrong, but that is one of the concerns that is raised. Like, what's the, what's the good, happy medium here to keep from being too many regulations versus not enough? I mean, what's the ideal scenario? - Yeah, I think what I would say is, number one, ideally, we want to achieve full and permanent protection of IVF. And just like you mentioned, Jeff, the current law we have in place was a stopgap measure. It's what we could get across the finish line as quickly as the legislature was able to do so. But at the time, everybody said, okay, we're going to have to come back to deal with this. Right now, we are currently trying to better understand what a permanent solution would look like and are working with incredible lawyers to identify that. And hopefully, we'll have an answer to that soon. But we also know that there's a lot of talk about the regulations as we've already talked about. So I think another kind of line of work that we're going to have to be doing is defending against some of those burdens and regulations. And then three, about the immunity law that you're saying, I think it was the best negotiation that I think the legislators were able to land on was it ideal? No, but are we incredibly grateful for it? Yes. And I will say, I do think that there are some folks that think like, oh, this shield IVF, providers from all harmful or from all causes of action or all lawsuits. And that's not true. In the law, it actually states that IVF providers are still open to medical malpractice if you know that occurs. But again, we still believe that there's more work to do to make sure that we have full and permanent protection. And that's the work that we're going to be doing ahead. I would add to that depth, you know, the physicians side, we're trying to educate, right? There's so many misconceptions about IVF, what it means, and about the actual regulations that already exist. You know, we're one of them as highly regulated medical subspecialties already with regulations at the federal level from CAP and CLIA and FDA. And then state regulations with our state medical board. And then there's professional self-regulation through ASRM and start from ABOC. So we already hold ourselves and put ourselves through significant regulations. And there were the current times that, you know, clear up business infections and provide education to those in the state that want to help us achieve the full and permanent access to IVF. Real quick, and we're real short on time here, but the Trump proposal to make, I guess, universal coverage for IVF. I mean, it sounds good in theory. In practice though, I mean, you already have kind of a weird supply and demand situation. Any of what have you got any thoughts on that? We were thrilled to see bipartisan support for IVF treatments. I think that's huge. So we're focusing on that positive, you know, I'm not a politician, but to hear your concerns about, you know, how does this actually work in practice? But I think the message was loud and clear that both President Trump and the Democratic Party are supporters of IVF treatments. That would just add, you know, our goal is full and permanent protection first. And we're going to take support from anyone who's ready to help us with this fight. They're really grateful for President Trump's comments and support on this. Ladies, appreciate your time this morning. Thanks for hopping on it. And maybe in the future we get you on again. Thank you so much. Yeah, thank you. Corinne O'Brien with the Fight for Alabama Family Coalition and from Alabama Fidelity, Dr. Mamie McLean. We got to get a break here. We'll be right back. This is the Jet Porchow on FIT Talk 10065. We'll be right back on FIT Talk 10065. Welcome back to the Jet Porchow on FIT Talk 10065. Thank you for listening on this Wednesday morning, 2513430106. Text us. Let us know what is on your mind on name texture. I don't hate you or the show. Just try to keep honest. Why lie? I'm not lying. I mean, I think you're like, I think you're admitting or you're assuming the world really works through your prison. It doesn't. You have a left to center perspective. Maybe I may be wrong, but it doesn't make you right. That's the problem you've got to overcome there on name texture. Michael, it's odd that IVS supports you. It's actually talking points. It's pro-abortionist when it comes to limiting or having any oversight. I mean, I guess it comes down to this, Michael, and you could disagree with them, but do we want to have IVF as an option in Alabama or anywhere? If you want IVF, it's got to work a certain way. Now, I mean, these IVF clinics are profitable, but it's not something that's typically covered by health insurance. So think about it like this. It is sort of the free market. What do we want? Do you want it or do you not want it? And that's the question you got to ask. We'll be right back. This is the Jet Force show with FM Talk 1.065. Buck's pocket to the shores of Orange Beach at all points in between an insider's perspective on Alabama politics. It's the Jet Force show. Welcome back to the Jet Force show. FM Talk 1.065. Thank you for staying with us on this Wednesday morning 2513430106. We want to be a touch the program. Please utilize the text slide. Come up in about 30 minutes. Joy Clark produced talk 93.1 in Montgomery and then that 11 o'clock hour Scott Butcher, but the trust will tribute. So we'll take it home from there. So I'm kind of a phenomenon going on in Alabama right now. And this is what Scott and I are going to spend a little time on later is all around the state. There are these school district school systems municipalities or counties trying to implement a self. I mean a property tax increase. And the idea is we need to raise your property taxes for the kids for the school kids. Education, better schools, better teachers. It's becoming more expensive. And therefore we need to raise your taxes and you should do it. It's the right thing to do. Well, the problem is this is maybe the worst time in Alabama history to try to do that because everybody's property taxes are going up reappraisals. The everybody's mortgages is going up across the insurance homeowners insurance. If you were silly enough to have mortgage with the adjustable rate mortgage, those those things are impacting the price people are paying with their mortgage and if you all of a sudden you throw on another or whatever property taxes. So these things are getting defeated by big, big numbers around Alabama. That's what I would say though. A lot of this is going on right now. You know, people are like, wow, it lost by a two to one margin. Miss Stevie Hills, one of the I'd say one of the blue bloods of Alabama education they had the best staff team and the best whatever they for the first time in my memory voted down a property tax increase. And I think it's just that like you're the assessments on these homes right now are have a built in increase. Once you see how that goes, but you look around the state right now and that that's just it. There's never enough money for education. Um, I was listening to Sean for some reason yesterday. The Shamari figures talking about like a state level sort of education funding during his interview. And right now, I mean, it's not like it used to be when we were growing up. I mean, you have some of the best paid teachers in the southeast still, you know, kind of lagging around the country, but like it's a kind of an economy, uh, scale there. And the results set, there's been some improvement in public education and K through 12 public education, Alabama, but it's not necessarily a reflection of what the, the, the, the increases with all these teacher pay raises. I mean, especially like K Ivy, right? The, the governor that came in in 2017, but she has given these teachers a pay are part of her, you know, policy proposal every single year, every state of the state is a pay increase for teachers. And it's kept the AEA kind of, I think on the sidelines. Like if the AA wants political power, go without giving teachers a pay increase for a couple of years to see what happens. But like just, I guess my question would be look around the state right now. And in particularly all these communities that would like to increase the property taxes in the name of improving schools, but what exactly is the need there? Like what, what, what do you see is like the, the unfunded need to get your school system or your school district caught up with, with who? Because a lot of these, all these situations, Baldwin County, you know, you look around, a lot of it is just already a, you know, elite schools wanting to improve upon what they have. So that's my question. We could get more into that in a little bit. 2513430106 dirt digger. If we the taxpayers pay for an abortion, you will not get an IVF. IVF tax free. Same the other way to unless a mother's life is in jeopardy. And it better be able to prove it. I have for life. All lives matter. Well, we can't. Here's the abortion problem with abortion for me. And I know things happened, but there's an element of personal responsibility here, like pregnancies don't just happen. Now, Ricky may not understand how pregnancies work. Maybe never got the birds of the bees talk. But like, if you have these relationships or you want to abort this baby, well, I mean, some of that's on you. I know there's cases of rape and incest that had to be dealt with. I think of a lot of Republicans, I would say most are okay with some exceptions. But those circumstances are very rare compared. Well, I would say rare, but compared to the collective amount of abortions in this country, one percentage of abortions of that procedure are done in the name of rape, incest, or the health of the mother, or the life of the mother, I guess the health is subjective. And you know, like, we don't ever have that discussion. And maybe it's taboo. Maybe I'm not supposed to have that discussion. I don't know. I didn't get a copy of the rules before they gave me a radio show. But if you live in a place where you think that you should be able to have access to abortion, well, why do you need the abortion in the first place? Or is that none of my business? Because it's a matter of public policy now. And you know, if you believe that's a life in the womb, it's not property. It's a life. Then how do you deal with that? Well, does life begin? Like, why you won't? Why won't the pro abortion just answer that question? When does life begin? It doesn't matter when life begins. How dare you ask that? But what does life begin? When does a being get the same protections that you and I have? Oh, you want to abort your, you want to abort your child? Okay, well, how did the child come to be in the first place? Oh, you didn't have access to free birth control? I mean, like, was that really our responsibility? I mean, we have like, sort of abandoned, any sort of notion about sex and best practices, if you will, and being responsible for your own body and doing the right thing. Instead, we leave that all behind and we just, we just go straight to abortion. As your pregnancy happens, just by some sort of like divine intervention. City of Daphne raised the ad valorem to pay for school with, I'm not a big fan of city limits, or I'm not a city schools, but I'm not in the city limits that damn the tax was more than my tag itself $111. Yeah, you live in the county, but you live in the feeder pad. She has the problem of all the county schools. You live in the feeder pattern or feeder system, or whatever the lines are drawn, and that's where your taxes go up. Terry life begins a conception, haven't you seen the spark of life that occurs in conception? Well, that's, that's fine if that's your belief, but like we as a society have never come to terms with that. Everybody has different views, like, and you're never going to solve this hot button issue until somebody makes a declaration of when life begins. Or it's not even when life begins. As when does your life have the protections that you're granted, like life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness or whatever. But, but you just can't go around ending someone's life. Well, so we've got to do process. Like when, when, when do we get those protections as human beings birth our 18th birthday conception, and everybody will give you a different answer. The third trimester, and until that's the till there's an unequivocal answer, and this is the law of the land, then this issue is going to be out there hanging over us. Tim adds most of the money never gets to help the kids. Yeah, I don't, I mean, like what else does Daphne, the school system need? It's always kind of interesting to me, like, it's all ball again. These schools, except for large meet to go shores, but each of these school districts can raise their own taxes. Yet they're still under the umbrella of the ball, the county school system, is anywhere else do it that way? In Alabama, Dave, we see the health insurance covers of Niagara. What's that for? I mean, I would, it might be just a, you're a customer of said health insurance provider and your customers demanded. I mean, you're paying for your health insurance. It just stopped thinking about it as a utility, right? And think of it as a business and then I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the Viagra, if that's what customers want, if you have your choice, then so be it. Well, they cover elective abortions. If that's what the customers want, I suppose they won't get it in Alabama. Simple tax. Sweet. Yeah. Mike, I don't know what to tell you other than move. Kitty, if you kill a pregnant mother in a DUI car wreck, do you get charged or two murder? Sometimes are two manslaughter's. I don't know about murder. And that has the abortion, the pro abortion pro choice crowd, like really up in arms because they, they resist any kind of label that the embryo or fetus or whatever is human life for that reason. Because what you start a sighting, that value to that being your compass, cells or whatever you want to call it, then it becomes much harder to justify an abortion. And they've been doing that for years. But we as a collective society have to make a decision here on this. Probably well, but we should. I'll be right back. This is FM talk 10065. Live in on the road, my friend. Welcome back to the jump or show it up. I'm talking about a 65. Thank you for staying with us on this Wednesday morning. Joy Clark caught up in the next segment. So please stick around for that. Pat, I've been saying this for years. Don't you detect a heartbeat no longer have the option just because Christians or against abortion doesn't mean a damn thing to more than half the country. Yeah, it's still important issue though, Pat. But the heartbeat questions, I mean, or the heartbeat is as fine. I mean, but it seems very subjective. Like, okay, make, make an argument while life begins at the first heartbeat. And I mean, we just picked something out of thin air, some kind of indicator of the heartbeat. Well, we'll say the heartbeat. No, I think this is like you got to like figure this out on a texture. Since you're suddenly a favorite IVF, I guess you're a pro stem cell research, too. That's what's like Ernie Yarbrough, Arnold Moody, or Craigslist and why the IV, why the IVF fix addressing clinic immunity instead of affirming IVF. Watch the spinning start. I don't have to ask him. I could have my opinion. I don't care what Arnold Moody Craig Lipscomb or Ernie Yarbrough think. I mean, I'm pro IVF. I don't like that they create so many embryos and have to figure out what to do with them at the very end. I think that's problematic. But here's the deal, guys. Would you rather have life created by people who are going through the IVF process trying to do it the right way? Having children? Or do you like this welfare state situation we live in where people are having children that probably aren't capable? And you're going to penalize those who wait to have children trying to do it the right way? Well, what's it going to be? Because that's the decision we got to make here, okay? Because the human body only functions a certain way. And a lot of women just aren't capable of having children without some kind of help later in life. But they're waiting because they're trying to be responsible and provide the best circumstances for whatever life they bring into this world. So, so that is the question here. And this is like, I pose this question as a conservative. Well, what's what's better? What's better for society? What makes the most sense? And we could talk about the religious doctrine until we're below the face and we have to. I'm happy to have that discussion as well. But that's the question we got to answer. Well, what do we want here? I mean, do you want more life? Or do you mean you want to value life? Well, you've got to have life to value it. Or do you think it's just we we just stick to this model where it's babies having babies? And we're all just wards of the state eventually. Uh, Pat, heart beat is the difference between an animal life and just the left of cells in my opinion. That's it though. It's in your opinion. And I'm not saying you're wrong and I'm not, but, but like we got to like, we got to define a basis, I think, for saying the heartbeat is the beginning of life. Well, let's say, and I'm sure there are people out there who have thought about this way more than I have. But if we're going to as a society, as a collective society, determine that life begins at point A, then how do we, how do we determine what point A is, what's the scientific basis of the heartbeat be in the beginning of life? Uh, name texture. What if it's God's will for these people not to have children, kind of like his will for Trump to win a 2016, but not for Biden in 2020. Well, this is God's, we don't sit around questioning God's will. And here's the thing if God willed something, I mean, why would God will the creation of IVF on name texture? Why, why, why did God say, Hey, here's this science here. Why, why would he have willed that? Two, five, one, three, four, three, zero, one, zero, six, we'll be right back. This is the Jeff four show it up and talk. One, oh, six, five, it's good to see you. I must go. I know I love the good front. Anyway, my eyes are not. Oh, I get rebel flag, flag's high above it all. Hoping in the wind like an angry cannon ball. Now, what's in history? The cold and steel, but they still smell the powder burn, and it probably welcome back to the Jeff poor show it up and talk one oh six, five. Thank you for being with us on this Wednesday morning, two, five, one, three, four, three, zero, one, zero, six, keep the text coming. We appreciate the feedback and I'll get some of you I responded to on the text line because we have a guest up right now from a new stock 93 one in Montgomery. Joey Clark is with us. Joey Good morning. How are you doing? Great. How you doing? Well, I guess I say surviving every now and then we get kind of locked in the science of life, discussion, when does life begin? What do you think of IVF? What do you think of abortion? And you know, I was I have like a one or two Democrats who like to text in and tell you have some kind of hypocrite or whatever to just you're you're only having these beliefs because you want Trump to win or what's just totally false. But anyway, so that's where we're at today. Yeah, especially that issue would end up being, you know, blowing in the political winds. And I also at this point, it's like how many times have we heard the arguments that say both sides so called have given for all these years? So I mean, you can rehash that. I think the IVF thing is more interesting because it really is people trying to create life, not destroy it, but the text seems to be destroying embryos in the process. Yeah, if I was a good Catholic, if I would guess I was, I would be completely against abortion on a percent. And of course, it's completely against IVF. You don't play God, but I think it's a little more the technology is probably going to get better. It might actually start to up end a lot of these arguments. We have the years. No, I would agree with that. I think that's just, you know, that's a fair criticism to say these IVF clinics create too many embryos that are disposed of and what are you disposing of? Let's have that discussion back to abortion, Joey. And here's the. Well, here's, you know, you say we've had this argument over and over and over again. There's no, but part of the argument that we never have that we never had this discussion and something changed probably 30 years ago is like, how did the pregnancy occur in the first place? Like why is abortion a necessary thing? If we're not educating people that, you know, sex has consequences that it is actually nature intended it to be part of the, you know, nature's reproduction effort. And you probably as an individual would be better off like engaging in some kind of protected sex or maybe abstinence or or whatever. But we decided we're not even going to talk about that anymore. And we're going to go straight to abortion as if pregnancies just sort of happen naturally out of thin air. Yeah, we didn't go on used to be from the Democrats, safe legal and rare. And part of that conversation would go into contraception. And I mean, the bill or you know, we can talk about condoms, if you like. But yeah, I think it's if you're using abortion as a form of birth control. It's something's gone deeply wrong morally. And regardless of what the laws say, I think that's a pretty awful way to go about it. I think that's when the right started to lose the abortion argument is when they let go of that, like they just seeded it. Look, pregnancies happen. People can't control themselves. They're just going to have sex. It's like you view humanity as if we're a bunch of animals. They can't control our bodies and try to do the right thing. And that we have to just assume that the great unwashed out there is going to go around having unprotected sex at will. And then there's so so much that we decided we're not even going to address that in the equation. Yeah. And I think it's a lot of personal failings on people's parts. And it's just the question of, I mean, this does bring back the Catholic school in me. We want the point of sex is just the domestic pleasure because it seems that's the way it's mostly trumpeted in our society. And you know, that might be fun for a while, but that has diminishing returns that get just as awful as I say, any drug that you might get addicted to over the long time. And so it's the point just for you to let off some steam. Or is there a unifying aspect to it in a longer relationship? And of course, is there a pro-creative part of it? And when you look at we're not having children enough, and I'm one, I don't have children right now at the age of 35, it's just an effect where people aren't having kids as much as there's no replacement rate. And I think if you move the conversation towards what's the proper role of all this stuff, you start to convince and change hearts and minds over time. And then legally, I think it's kind of right that the states decide on their own, because they're unique cultures in this country. Yeah. And I guess, but I still think it's a federal question when those life began. When do you get protections that we give to like you and I? When does that point occur? And if you believe it's birth, fine, but like there's nothing, there's no doctorate out there that makes that clear. And that's got to be like, at some point, we got to have that, we got to have that discussion, or maybe we are having it, but we got to make that determination, at least in the eyes of the law, what is the beginning of life? When do you get the same protections that everybody else has? Well, and the way I generally view it, I don't often hear other people say this. I think it's kind of those true people are talking past each other. I think life does begin at conception. It's not like if that embryo gestates and develops over time, it's going to turn into a fish or a cow, it's going to turn into a human being. But then I do think it is a woman's body. So I'm more in terms of that viability standard, and I'm even comfortable saying that the viability standard might slide and it might become earlier and earlier as technology gets better. But as soon as that child can live outside separate from the mother's body, I think that's where it should be definitely illegal. And if you look around the world, you look at Germany, France, what their bans are around 16 weeks around that time, you look at bowling. People's, I think, general common sense kicks in at that point, whereas as soon as it's viable, people really start to feel different about the procedure, let's just say. And I find the idea that it doesn't become a human being with full legal rights until it's outside the womb and completely born is, I think, nonsense, given that a child at, say, eight months could easily live outside the womb. Right. Well, I mean, there's all these other standards. We should say the heartbeat or whatever, but like what's scientific, Dr. Dix. And I'm sure they're out there. But like, mate, the argument, why the heartbeat is that point? Or why you know what I mean? And to your other point about how before somebody even gets pregnant, the more moral decisions that people are making on society, what base is, look at the issue of IVF, look at the issue of abortion. You have people that want babies who can't have them, and you have people that don't want babies who can't have them. How can we get the two together? It might, it makes a lot of sense that we should come up with systems and cultures that promote that. And I'm not even against, you know, somebody paying, be like, no, I won't pay you to keep your child and I will adopt your child. Obviously, there's going to be a lot of standards around guardianship, which are paying for your guardianship rights, but the child, literally. But I think there are a lot of ways that this, it's complicated, but we need to go in the direction of promoting life. Yeah. And I'd say this about the IVF side of it. And I mean, let's pretend, Joey, that we're good little conservatives here, personal responsibility. And society tells you, like, don't, don't bring a life into this world unless you're equipped, unless you feel equipped. I mean, it's a big responsibility. This isn't like a goldfish or even a conqueror spaniel. No, this is a human being. And you need to make sure you have the financial wherewithal, the emotional maturity, and so on and so forth, when you have a child. I mean, that's just the standard society has bestowed on a lot of us. And I feel like we're telling people that. And then they're doing the right thing and they're waiting until they're ready to have children. And then they have a child. And well, you can't do it this way. IVF is a sin. I mean, like, there's, there's a, I want to say a contradiction there, but you're hearing it from two different sides of what the right thing to do, especially from our deck of the woods is get a little conservatives. Well, and I, I've been very happy. Alabama courts decided to jump into this because shortly after that, I visited some friends up at the Northeast. They're about my age. They're in the mid thirties of the woman and man, both very successful career people. And they're now having to use go through IVF to try to have children. And I, you know, they were mocking Alabama's being backwards and stuff. And I said, wait, wait, wait, wait, there's somebody destroyed your embryos that you paid. How much more that you were hoping would be your next son or daughter? Wouldn't you be a little upset instead of every standard? So I think that court case opened up the ethical dilemmas that have been like lying there for years now with this type. Yeah. And that's why a lot of people don't understand that. And the dash will lose media just to have gotten it completely wrong that the court case or that somehow in Alabama, they banned IVF. No, I mean, it was a, it was a property dispute, essentially, like, our, our your embryos property could title to damages based on them being a property, or is it a human being? And you're entitled to damages under a wrongful death claim. And that's what the court had to decide. It went like the court was sitting around one day. Hey, hey, how are we going to, how are we going to impose our biblical worldview on these IVF clinics? No, this was the question that they were confronted with and what were they supposed to do. I mean, this is your Alabama Supreme Court. What do you, you know, and we elect these justices? What did we think we were going to get here? I'll never understand this, Joey, why they didn't just decide to settle that case, but they didn't. So, I mean, there's such a, there's so much misinformation out there about what actually happened in Alabama. Oh, absolutely. And I mean, it's become part of the presidential election cycle now. And in the tricky, you got to, like I had my conversations, my friends, you need to have conversations, private ones and really get to the heart of the issue that people, I think. Unfortunately, this stuff gets in the real personal territory. It's tough to have this mission on say a national media platform, a frank conversation about things. Yeah, but it's just easy for the, and I don't know, these people are dumb. I think that maybe there's some smart people, but they operate on this like faulty sort of worldview, like those dumb rednecks in Alabama don't know what the hell they are doing. Who gave them statehood to begin with? And I mean, and that's, that's not what it is. I mean, it was a legitimate legal question that the court had to figure out and they just, they've made it a, they're not really discussing the ethics of it. And this is where it gets problematic. Okay, so we're going to go forward with a fix for this, either on the national or state level, but without having a discussion about where this, this is going to go, what it means or what are these things? Do you know, are they human lives or are they not? And that's the thing, Joey. These pro-choicers will never, ever answer that question. We've been talking about when does life begin? They don't want to, there's no line that they just want to kind of operate. Yeah, and we have plenty of good rules. And I think it's pretty around us in place around the country that say, you know, you're a drunk driver and you crush it and you murder a pregnant woman, that could be charged with double homicide. And it kind of makes common sense. Yeah, I think that them dancing around that is just either cowardice or ignorance. Like it's obviously, again, it's not going to become a fish or a cow. Well, they can't, they don't have an answer for it. That is like, that's why I understand like, you would be doing yourself a favor if we could have this discussion, but it's like, whatever, and maybe I have a very limited sample size here, but when you ask, well, wouldn't this life begin, ask any left wing or that? And they said, that's not important. We're not going to answer that question. We're not going to be putting that box, you know, but it's important to finally figuring out a solution to this whole debate that's been going on for 50 years. Well, and if I bring up something like a sliding viability standard, they're not happy. But a lot of people almost aren't happy with that either. It's weird. They become like anarchists, libertarians of this one issue. And I just find that fascinating. I'm sure there's some way to read the history, understand where the heck does come from. I think it's just a, the inertia comes from, well, it's a winning political issue. People don't want to think about these ethical questions. And I said, decided I have a doctor on the program earlier in a, I guess, a lobbyist there that's kind of filling a void there for the, for these folks. But like what it is is like, people are really thinking about the ethics. They just, you know, people who go through IV yet, they just want a child or whatever, fine. And, and, you know, when you start seeding, well, maybe we shouldn't do this because we're playing God or whatever, then it, it, you do take something away from that community. Well, this person who's not really thinking about this, which is a lot of people, they just want the baby, they're going to go, you know, what are you going to get? A pet skull of Florida, Valencia, Mississippi are somewhere else because it's becomes one of these, I would say essential services. But one of these amenities, if your community has, then that's a big feather in your cap. Well, and then I think it's great for couples who really, who want to have children. I think it's a great process, but underneath the hood of this technology, I mean, it's pretty well reported that China has been doing some pretty crazy experiments on this point where you can do genetic the design and engineering, creating almost chimerical beast, you know, crossbreeding things. Yeah, I wonder what the militaries of the world have done in terms of trying to soup up humans in certain ways. And then you look at the, say, the other side of it, not just manipulating our genes and our own biology, but merging with technology, you think it'd be a lot less neurolink. I think now as two patients using neurolink. So we're heading to a place where actually there were philosophers in the 1940s that predicted not only will you have the choice between being man and woman, you'll have the choice of being human or something else. And so that's where the real big ethical questions need to come in. It's not just about people when that family is detected, unlocks things that you couldn't even imagine. Well, and there are people who are against the, you know, the new genetic testing to see if it's what's the most viable embryo to implant. And then there's people who object to that, but that's sort of the idea there. I mean, you want to take your best, you want to, if you're trying to complete a past downfield, I mean, you want to take your best shot downfield, and you don't really know what the best shot is unless you take these do the genetic test. And but you're right. I mean, maybe that leads to some things down the road. But I think for the sake of this argument, like where we are right now, unless, you know, we'll get to those that cross-hybridges when we get there to use a cliché, but I don't really necessarily object to that too much. Maybe I should. Well, and I know we're at a time here. If I'd make a general point on this issue and so many others that are contentious and very important, and I know both you and I, and it's kind of a part of the profession that we get all upset about certain things and whatnot, it's just being human. But it would be nice if we could have, you know, discussions about these important contentious issues about everybody grabbing their pants. If you catch what I mean, everybody, everything seems so hysterical, and it does a disservice to, I think, a lot of very important things. We really do need to get a grip on as we go forward. Yeah, I think you're absolutely right because it prevents us right away. We can't just have an honest to strength discussion because people are like, I just don't want to deal with that discussion. It raises too many emotions and so on and so forth. Joey had to cut you short with my filibuster, but thanks for coming on today. Yeah, I appreciate it, Jeff. Talk to you soon. All right. Joey Clark, there from News Talk 93, one of Montgomery, we'll be right back. This is FM Talk, one of six five. Welcome back to the Chup Force Show. FM Talk, one of six five. Thank you for staying with us on. It's Wednesday morning coming up in the next hour. We'll talk to Scott Butterman, the trussle will tribune. So please make sure you stay tuned for that. Let's see here. Anything I could get to real quick, dirt digger, hue and kiss, hug and kiss till your marriage says the Lord's love is stronger than sex. But yeah, I think, I mean, that's a sound like some kind of fruit here, but I mean, that's a sort of the idea, right? Why you save it till you're married. Now we've totally abandoned that. And here's the consequence for having this like drawn out ethical political discussion about abortion. We're having a political discussion about abortion. Is the political arena where this discussion should reside? I mean, seriously, and then I'm not saying it's not just a left of center. It's a right of center thing too. But like we're relying on government to impose our moral standards, right? And look, government is off for and by the people that people in Alabama don't want abortion in their state. Therefore, I mean, that's what they should get. But a bigger picture, 10,000 foot view here, we're having it in a political context, which is misses a lot of things. And if you have it in a moral or ethical context, then it becomes a different thing. But the problem is the other side will not have the discussion on those grounds. Well, very back, this is the Jeff Porchota from talk one of six five. From Bucks Pocket to the shores of Orange Beach, at all points in between, an insider's perspective on Alabama politics. It's the Jeff Porchow. I don't think he ain't done it this way. Welcome back to the Jeff Porchota from talk one of those six five happy Wednesday morning to you. Hour number three begins right now two five one three four three zero one zero six text us and let us know what is on your mind. Right now there's Winder, Georgia, Barrow County school here. It looks like it's under some kind of lockdown. Hospital reports gunshot victims. So here we go again. We get another second amendment news cycle. So we got a second amendment. We talked a little bit about this yesterday. Mobile County Sheriff Paul Burch saying, Hey, you need to you need to raise that age where constitutional carry applies or a permitless carry or whatever they don't like. They don't like it. What do you call it? Constitutional carry. That's that's not what it really is guys. It's permanent carry. Well, it's constitutional carry because this is their argument. It's based on the second amendment being an absolute right. Just like freedom of the press, freedom of religion, freedom of speech. You have freedom to bear arms, right? Or to write to bear arms. So if you have a right, why is the government putting regulations on your right? And if they do put regulations on it ought to be very limited in scope. And I think they have a legislature philosophically believes that, Hey, you need to kind of we need to go in a different direction than a lot of places in this country as a counterbalance. But Sheriff Burch, like, well, look, we're just trying to have the ability to have like a probable cause here. And the way. So I got a response for state representative Shane stringer about this yesterday. You could go read it at 18 19 news. Dot com 18 19 news. A great website, I might add. But that look, if we'll see here, what he says, and he makes, you know, if you want that problem, we'll cause this is built into the statute. He says, quote, Alabama's constitutional carry statute applies only to those who are at least 19 years old have never been convicted of a felon, violent felony. The law clearly states that if an officer is reasonable suspicion, a person as committed or is planning to commit a crime, the firearm may be taken under the law citizens must also inform officers that they have a firearm in their car or on their person, a requirement that was not previously in place. He adds in 19 is considered all the 19 is considered all enough to serve in the military workers and police officer cast a vote to like, share and other officials. It is old enough to exercise the second amendment rights guaranteed by the US Constitution. 21 years old is not suddenly blessed individuals overnight with wisdom, discretion and responsibility they have that they lack before. It is our simply an arbitrary number being picked at random for all these reasons and callous others to propose legislation referring to sheriff Burch's legislation is completely unnecessary. I don't know why the sheriff said decided that this they're going to go back to the well on this one. I don't think it goes anywhere. Anyway, that's a discussion we have over time. It is kind of a random thing. And there was an AL.com story by our buddy, John Sharp, who kind of initiated this conversation. I'm not really sure if it was the sheriff wanting to speak out suddenly or John just like approached him about it, but that's sort of why I instigated all of this. My name texture was to be called community notes. I'm not going to give you that satisfaction just yet. You kind of got to earn it. But here's your problem on name texture. You assumed that all and the right does this too, but for the sake of this program, you have to throw out these stereotypes and assumptions that we all think alike that we're all the same that we all agree on everything. All are just a bunch of bigoted Trump supporters or what I mean, that's and that's the way the mainstream media look at a lot of America as some kind of monolith. And that's why they make it. That's why they lose. Now they may the left and we do this too about the less sometimes that they're all a bunch of godless hootalums who want to go around and aborted babies and dress it up in the drag or whatever. This is a gross exaggeration. But I think there's it is funny how like if you believe in abortion, then you have adopted a belief in same-sex marriage or have adopted a belief in transgender therapy and all of these different things that y'all are all on the same page on that that you believe in global warming or whatever it does. It strikes me as interesting. But I mean, I think you got to be careful, operate on that assumption on name texture, which is exactly what you're doing, particularly with me. Let's see here, Motorman, I will give my income tax refund until it's paid back if my wife and I could get IVF treatment, but we can't afford the upfront cost. Yeah, it's cost prohibitive. And that's sort of the private sector though. One of the problems, and I don't know, I mean, obviously there's a huge, huge, huge profit margin here, but it's filling a demand. But it's also not a, this is my assessment, it's not like you could go downtown to Baymanette and go get an IVF treatment, like you have to go to Mobile. You can't just go to the IVF clinic and chat them. It's only in a few places in Alabama. Huntsville, Birmingham, obviously Montgomery, Mobile, and they only have so much, so many slots, so many time periods, so much hospital space, so many trained physicians who can administer this kind of procedure. And that's part of why it's so expensive. The other part, my understanding is just the pharmaceuticals, the drugs, and that's always made me a little uneasy. Whatever is being injected here, I'm a talk radio show host, not a scientist or a doctor, but there's a lot of things you've got to take to get your body in a sort of mode to where number one, the eggs can be extracted from the female. And then the second part of that is if you're trying to prepare for the pregnancy, the implanting of the embryo, it does just occur naturally for some people, that you have to kind of create an environment in the womb that is susceptible for a pregnancy to occur. And that is man, you know, what we could call it, playing God or whatever. But it is or it is what it is that you're trying to get that just everything just right from the pregnancy. It just doesn't happen naturally. If you're trying to do like some kind of fertility treatment, at the risk of seeming insensitive until a heartbeat is what validates life, if it's here, elderly, the eggs are just a procedure. Oh, not sounding insensitive, but I mean, the egg in the sperm. Is that when life begins? Like, are, what is it? Fertilization. Michael, see here. So basically, there's a lot from Michael here. If you want to have IVF, you have to be able to freeze destroyed human beings in the embryo phase. That's exactly why IVF was discovered every mainline Christian denomination affirmed it to be gravely immoral. Yes, the child created is good, but the process is not. I would tell the 40-year-old woman that way to have kids so that she could focus on her career. I'm sorry, you're having a hard time getting pregnant, but the choices you have have consequences, and he chose a job instead of family, but that's not a good reason to go through the process that will destroy or freeze dozens of children in the embryo phase. Well, but you're assuming that it can't be done without these embryos, a bunch of embryos being created. Maybe it can. Honestly, Joey and I were talking about as soon as technology improves, then as soon as technology improves, then maybe we could have a more streamlined process. But I don't know. I think especially from you, Mike, there's just like this visceral reaction to IVF, but you need to have a little... I'm not asking you to change your position, but have a little empathy here. That's never going to sell. Well, tough beings, you decided to wait and stick it out to have a career. Maybe you didn't wait to have a career. Maybe you just didn't have the circumstances where you could have children. I mean, there's a bunch of different reasons. It's not just a career, Michael, that keeps women who are at a certain age of having children. Maybe they're in their twenties, Michael, and they're just not able to without the marvels of modern science, helping them along. But you can't... I mean, the IVF procedure, I would say this. The society is telling them, don't have a family until you're ready, at least in my nick of the woods. Now, another part of the ideological spectrum, they're like, "Do whatever makes you feel good. Do whatever you think makes you feel good. And don't worry about the consequences." I mean, what's the message you want to convey there, then? "Unape Texture." You go to jail for killing a turtle egg, but you could kill a human being, egg. I guess they view the value of the turtle's life more relevant than the human life. "Unape Texture." It's about money. Don't ever think it. I disagree. There's a demand for something, and then so therefore, there becomes a supply for it. Same with abortion. I mean, do you really... If there's a demand for abortion, then... Do you want a black market abortion? No, not at all. Human beings are... They're going to do what they're going to do. "Unape Texture." Now, apply your exception to caveats for IVF to abortion and see if you feel the same. So, if... How would I do this? That you're... I don't understand what you're saying. I like that if people waited to have a child and decided to abort the child and wait until later, they had the child. Well, I don't think it applies in that circumstance. Community notes. My caveat is people trying to do something, trying to do the right thing versus using abortion as birth control because you want to call it an accident or whatever. This is an apples and oranges comparison. Anyway, enough of that. 2513430106 is how you get in touch with the program. I was still kind of watching what's going on. Casualties reported at Georgia school. The suspect is in custody and they got all of these... Looks like a lot of children. What are you doing that circumstance? If at your school, a few child school and you hear there's a gunman and this is your child. You just kind of stay home and watch it on TV. Are you high telling it to the school to go get your kid the hell out of there? Text to like 2513430106 will be right back. This is the Jeff Porte Show at FFTF Talk. 106.5. ♪ And the youngest dream of growing up to ride ♪ ♪ On a freight train leaving town ♪ ♪ Not knowing where I'm bound ♪ ♪ And no one can change my mind but mama tried ♪ ♪ To get on me want to know ♪ ♪ Why do you drink ♪ ♪ Why do you grow smoke ♪ ♪ Why must you live by the song that you've grown ♪ Welcome back to the Jeff Porte Show at FFTF Talk 106.5. Thank you for sticking around on this Wednesday. A quick programming note coming up tomorrow on the show. Former Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron. And you may remember him. He spoke at the RNC back in 2020. Kind of an interesting topic that's been pitched. We're going to kick out the show tomorrow with him. But why are all these corporations promoting this left of center woke agenda? Like what's going on really here? And why are you starting to see a few here and there kind of back away from it? Because they, what the interpretation is, well, this is not what the customers really want. You know, corporations, if you're really about the shareholders, prices, or if you're really about the day, your balance sheet or whatever, then you're agnostic about politics. I mean, there's exceptions to certain businesses. But for the most part, if you're just selling widgets, you're not really picking a side here because you don't want to ostracize half of your customers. Ask Budweiser, right? How that worked out. So we're going to talk about that tomorrow. And the trend here is to going back in the other direction where after the George Floyd riots, all these businesses went over there to virtue signal during COVID and show how woke they were. And now you're starting to see that, wow, this is really hurting our bottom line here. A lot of our customers are just not buying our products because of we are claiming to have these values. So they're starting to gravitate away from that. Also in the program, April Murray Fogel, we do that every Thursday. And then we'll wrap it up with a Congressman Gary Palmer up in the six congressional district where I'll actually be tomorrow for the program. So please tune in for that. Terry, the sheriff wants to make up probable calls. Why don't we just go back to D. W. B. Oh wait. That's unconstitutional as well. Bummer, sheriff. Um, let's see here. Third digger. The Democrats go by the saying sex, drugs, rock and roll. That is against Christians. And then unnamed texture. I don't want my tax might pay for IVF that people choose anymore that I want to pay for people to choose abortion. That's from firecracker. Well, it's not firecracker. Here is the well, the proposal is for insurance cup. You pay for health insurance and health insurance should offer this as a as a as part of their coverage portfolio. Given you could get someone pointed out by Agra and Donald Trump's proposal is to mandate, I guess. I don't know how that would work. Not that Donald Trump's necessarily a friend of big insurance, big health insurance. But did he wants to have that as an option? Uh, and I don't know how you do that policy. I'm not crazy about big government mandates. But isn't that the idea that it could, could there be regulation, the regulatory environment be changed to be more conducive for your blue cross blue shield or whatever to offer IVF as one of the elective health care options. That's the question. Pat, my insurance will cover a vasectomy yet Medicaid will cover women getting their tubes tied. Well, I don't, I mean, I don't know. Find a better health insurance. Health insurance. It's a tricky discussion because you don't want we have the system we have in America right now. It goes back to FDR and the original sin was as such. He implemented wage and price controls or World War II. And companies were trying to figure out how to incentivize employment because of the wage controls. So they started offering health insurance. And I mean, that's just like a, that's what happened from that point forward. We, we, we were not as reliant upon the free market to kind of dictate health choices. And it got institutionalized. And now you have this just this behemoth of a middleman in health care that doesn't really do anything but serve as an intermediary. And maybe a regulator in some ways of what health services and options people have and what they can acquire. Let's get a break here. We'll be right back. This is a Jeff for showed up and talk. One, oh, six, five. No man. Keep your foot on the pedal. Don't ever mind him breaks. Let it all hang out cause we gotta run to me. Okay. Look at my, to the Jeff for showed up and talk. One, oh, six, five. They just stick it around on this Wednesday morning, time permitting text, two, five, one, three, four, three, zero, one, zero, six. So, uh, update on this Georgia situation. Uh, suspected custody casualties reported. Hospital is treating a gunshot victim and it's a winder Georgia, Barrow County, Georgia. And I don't know anything other than that because everything is on mute in the studio here. So that's what we know. Anyway, enough of that. Joining us now on the line from the trustable Tribune and a guy I think has become a notable commodity on the Alabama airwaves. I'd like to take some credit for that. But Scott Butcher joins us on the line. You've got even, you've been doing the rounds now on Alabama radio. Haven't you? Yeah, I didn't, if you're right, it all comes back to you. I think the brought me on as a guest. Um, and yeah, I've, I've enjoyed this, you know, the bill show a little bit. And, uh, sometimes as a guest, sometimes as a guest host and be, be co-hosting with you this Friday, uh, just sitting there, uh, doing what we do, anyway, for free. But I've enjoyed it. I like, I like being able to share my two sets on occasion. And you get in the hangout with my buddy Dale, uh, which is always a, uh, tricky proposition. Well, every, every thing comes from the price. Yeah, uh, uh, best of luck on that. Anyway, uh, and I guess this is what Dale's taken exception to that, that communities aren't, aren't just voting themselves higher taxes, property taxes, that is, at Alabama for, for, for schools. And I find Dale to be a little bit of a, a left winger on some of this stuff when it comes to public schools. I mean, I mean, just that every, everything has a government solution to it. And that's where he, that's a starting position. But that's what we've been talking about, uh, tax increases on, on property in this environment. It's, it's insane to try to do that right now. The timing, the timing is bad. Um, what are the, I watched Dale and music, uh, their little segment that they do. And I saw it yesterday. Dale was, that was one of the things he was talking about was the school systems that are voted down property taxes, uh, communities that are voted down property taxes for their schools. And Dale made the comment on it. You know, they, they pass if it's a good school district, they don't pass if it's a bad school district. And you're just going to run a campaign saying give us more money and we'll make it a better district. You're not going to, it's not going to pass. And that's, I don't think that's completely accurate based on the fact that, uh, that Stadia Hills widely considered the number two school system in Alabama, uh, for the first time in their history, I believe voted down a property tax just a few months ago, maybe six months ago, um, for schools. Trustful had a tax vote last week, uh, facing an overcrowding situation. Trustful, your trust law school was ranked eight by US News and World Report in the state of Alabama. Uh, I look at the, I look at the test scores, the all three of the elementary schools are in the top 20 elementary schools in the state, uh, based on, based on test and proficiency. And then, and then trust will turn it down and, I mean, it was, it was a pretty big loss. Um, I think at this point, and trust was been pretty supportive of the schools. But I think at this point, the economy is taking its toll on families. If you're talking to Biden people, like point to the stock markets have done pretty well under Biden, narrow, uh, for one's age have done pretty well under Biden, but you can't run from gas prices 50% higher than they were four years ago. You can't run from groceries 40% higher than they were four years ago. That is hitting families in the face every single week when they gas their car and buy groceries just to, just to feed the family. Um, I think it's taken a total. I think people, I think families have run their credit card debt up just trying to make it for month to month by necessities where they used to have a little money leftover. And, and I think these school tax votes were definitely a victim of the current economic situation. Now here, baller County, they got in, uh, they got all their property tax increases, probably just under the wire here before the, the inflation really became this, um, uh, this reality, uh, Daphne in 22. And then I think right before that, Loxley, Robert, Stella did it. It goes back to 2019. They initiated this process. Fair open Spanish for 2019. Of course, Al.com article. I have here in front of me. And this is kind of a weird situation. We have a baller County where, and then I, maybe I'm just not familiar enough with the rest of the state, but where you have one baller County school system, now the exceptions are orange beach, a ghost shores. They have incorporated their own system, but the rest of the county is a such that they have their, their feeder pattern. And the specific feeder pattern assigned to that city in the surrounding area are the ones who vote on the higher property taxes to, uh, in order to, um, uh, you know, fund the school or whatever it is that the, uh, uh, the, the, the elders, uh, decide it should be kind of a weird system here. But like right now, I mean, had, had they tried that today, there's no way they're going to get that increase. Exactly. And I actually like the system that you were describing. We, we've seen it beneficial in the tribute coverage area. We shouldn't have been at specific groups. What, what we had in the past, Jeff, if a, if a school district wanted to raise their property taxes for schools, well, everybody in that district would run over that. And the new remedy that you're referring to here allows a feeder pattern of schools. So you've got a high school, a middle school could be multiple middle schools, could be multiple elementary schools that all feed into one specific high school. And then the voters, if they want to raise funds or raise property tax for one specific feeder pattern, then just the residents in that feeder pattern can vote on it. We, we, that, that hit really big in St. Clair County, which is a big part of the tribute coverage area. When it first came out, multiple districts put up, put up votes. And most of them did not do well. Moody in St. Clair County, which is part of the St. Clair County system, Moody did vote to raise their property taxes. They've now broken ground on a new high school. And kind of like you described down in Baldwin County, Jeff, they did that before the economy was really starting to impact families on a regular basis. I agree with you, that vote would help the day. I don't think it would pass, but it got in before, kind of before the economy started really, really punching families in the phase. They actually had to come back a year later and do it again, not for Moody, but for springboard, which is also one of our coverage cities. And it failed the first time. But a year later, the votes in springboard kind of figured out what had happened, went out, voted again, and now they've passed it. So it does, it keeps a whole district from being held back from lack of funding. You have families in one area are willing to pay, they can do that without affecting the entire county. But given today's climate, I think they were all struggling with that vote world today. I mean, I think so, it's just you need to you need to just suck it up and wait a few years if you want to go down that path. And are you just just just not the right time for that discussion? I really enjoy my Scott much of the trust will tribute here on the program. So we've gone down this rabbit trail today, Scott. And it's I guess abortion Wednesday or IVF Wednesday here on the Jeff Porsche show. What does life, what does life begin, Scott? Well, I believe life began the conception, but I also think there's a little more to it. I think it begins a conception, but I also think that the embryo has to be viable. It has to be in a situation where it can grow and move forward. That's that's my personal opinion. How about this? When we rephrase the question, what does life begin that you get the same protections that Scott buttermen Jeff poor get birth or before or your 21st birthday? When should that begin? Well, I think from the moment we have a viable life and in a position to move forward, that it should be protected. Jeff, I haven't given enough thought or consideration to the IVF situation. It's affected our family. I care about it. I want it available because it has it has been important in our family, not with Lori, not directly, but with family members. At the same time, an embryo in a petri dish is not going to become a life unless that embryo is put in a situation where it can become a life. That's not going to happen in a petri dish. I don't share the concerns that people have about IVF. I think it's important. I think anything we can do to help people have children and produce life, we should be doing that and we should be doing it without reservation. That's just the way I feel. I know there are others that don't pull that away. I respect their opinions. I believe in it and I don't think we should make it more difficult on people. I'll tell you what, because if you watch the national media, they get so much wrong, but they particularly get it wrong with regards to Alabama. It was a civil matter. The defendant is by not settling back the Alabama Supreme Court into a corner. The rule is this where they dropped that petri dish and killed those embryos or ended it for them. Was that a loss of property or was that a loss of human life? Do you get damages based on being a value of property or do you get damages based on wrongful death? Have that discussion too, but the net effect is what did you think the Alabama, the elected Alabama Supreme Court, how do you think that they were going to rule on something like that? That's where the controversy arises. It's not that Alabama decided one day that it wanted to ban IVF or it wanted to do something, but it was forced under our judicial system to make a ruling on this case. Here we are, and it's just such a disservice the way the media are treating this. It is, and Alabama did not ban IVF. That's a strongly a pretty important point to make. IVF has not been banned in Alabama. A lot of people who provided IVF got very nervous over that Supreme Court justice and his ruling on this and decided they weren't going to risk that but Alabama didn't ban it, and I do think that the legislation they passed to protect it is effective. There may be issues with that law. It may have to be corrected. It may have to have some revisions that's pretty common with laws, but it doesn't surprise me anymore, but it kind of amazes me as the number of Democrats in this day that have run around. I mean, they are fooling for IVF to be banned or be ruled illegal in this state because they want it as a political issue. I think that thinking whether it's coming from a Republican or Democrat, just I don't understand that. It baffles my mind. Anytime people are willing to just see something torn apart or torn down so they can say they were right on a political point, I feel sorry for people like that. I'm talking to Chris England and Dustin Lynch about the way. Here's what it is, Scott. They wanted as a gotcha point against Republicans. Look at those Neanderthal Republicans opposing IVF and so on and so forth. Then Trump comes along and says, "I think everybody should have access or some kind of entitlement to IVF through their health care provider or health insurance provider." Which has kind of taken a little bit of an argument away and the response is just kind of laughable. It's Democrats saying, "Well, you can't trust to Donald Trump. He lies." That's their only response, which tells me maybe he's hit something. Now as a policy, I'm not crazy about federal government mandating what private business can and can't do, but then that's... I absolutely hate the idea. Such is the world we live in with our health insurance and the way they regulate it and they're protected by the government in some ways. But on the other hand, I mean, tactically, it's kind of a stroke of genius. Well, it was a political stroke of genius, yeah, because it kind of took the issue away from it. I don't think this is Trump's best idea. I think it's a rotten idea. We can't sit here in Rant and Ray, Jeff, about Kamala Harris wanting to price fix over this supposed gouging that is, I don't believe he's taking place at all. We can't get Rant and Ray against that and then turn around in the fall of Trump when he says, "Well, I'm going to force insurance companies or the government to pay for everybody's IVF in the country." That's not going to happen. You and I are going to pay for everybody's IVF in the country, because there's no such thing as free IVF procedures. Somebody's going to pay for it, and if it's given three to one person, that just means somebody else paid for it. Well, the other problem is, Scott, if you do it, if you go down this route where people have access to it, the demand is going to increase, the supply is not going to catch up for several years, if not decades, and it's just going to make IVF more cost prohibitive. That's the problem with this policy of doing that. People love the gesture. I had IVF doctor earlier and asked her about it. That's what she said. Well, we're just glad that both sides recognize there's value in this procedure, but the mechanics of it, it's not really clear to me how that is going to work. The price doesn't go down when insurance starts paying. It usually goes up and gets more expensive. You know, we saw a little taste of this with the Alabama legislature. I think it was about four or five years ago. When they decided they were going to force insurance companies in Alabama to start covering autism treatment, and they did that right on the heels of the autism spectrum, being expanded to the point that it includes virtually everybody at this point. And insurance rates did exactly what everybody knew they would do. They went up. Insurance companies are like any other business. They have to be able to make business decisions based on sound, financial instruction, and based on their bottom line, and they don't need the government telling them what they have to do. But we do that on a pretty regular basis. And we always pay for it. We always pay for it. The government can force the insurance company to do anything they want to do. And the insurance company is going to raise the rate on all of us to cover that for that government requirement. It's never been a good idea. Scott, I'll leave it there. You and I will reunite on Friday, but thanks for making time for us. Looking forward to seeing you Friday. All right, it's got a bunch of the trustful tribute. You'll check him out at Scott Bunch or multiple, or X, I should say. We'll be right back. This is Fib Talk, one of six five. I keep a close watch on this heart of mine. I keep my eyes wide open. Welcome back to the Jumpboard show that Fib Talk, one of those six five. Go to bottom tomorrow's program. Former Kentucky attorney general Daniel Cameron will join us at the top of the hour there at nine o'clock. April Marie Fogel also on the program she is on Thursdays and Congressman Gary Palmer from up in the sixth congressional district will make time for us. So please make sure you tune in for that. Real quick, Terry, why aren't we doing forensic audits on these school districts to find out where the money is going for the teachers. It's not going to getting to the classroom. I don't know the answer to that. And then finally, on a text or why are so many extra embryos required to later discard is technology not ready. Why can't we produce one viable embryo? And then you can because they're all different. And these embryos, I mean, the circumstances had to be just right. That's why they create so many embryos. I don't know how many so many is, but that's the objection to many embryos that are being discarded or being frozen in perpetuity. And you don't really do anything with them. So that's that's the objection there. And I think that maybe they could get to where technology could figure that out. But I don't have an answer for that question. Let's see here coming up here shortly midday mobile. Sean, what you got today? Hey, Jeff. Yeah, coming up in just a couple of minutes, a lead off batter Cameron Smith is going to join me also later in the hour Erica Thomas. Maybe you've heard of her from 1819 news. And in hour number two, I guess official Democrat response, a buddy of mine that enjoys coming on there and bouncing things around, especially important now with what two months? I mean, really, I mean, today's the fourth yet like two months to go to election day, Robert Kennedy Jr. My buddy's going to join me the one o'clock hour and we will square off then. So that a whole lot more on the way in just minutes. Those are more importantly, does Robert Kennedy Jr have a position on Taco Casa? I think it would be I don't know if he does. I will ask him. Yeah, that's that's important. But it's been a while. Yeah, it has been a while. So I mean, he not hang out a good bit, but not on the air. So yeah, be, you know, join me today. So it'll be good stuff. Yeah, I'll check that out. Anyway, it is time for me to get out of here. You've heard enough of me today. I'll stay tuned for midday mobile. I will try to do better tomorrow. Sorry. Once again, Phyllis, I forgot to say goodbye. 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