Welcome to Joe Goes Everywhere, a big blend radio food line and travel podcast featuring award winning photographer and travel writer Joe Clark. Let's find out where she's taking us today. So as you all know, Joe loves to take us everywhere around the world and across the country and today she's keeping us in the Southeast in Georgia, but we're going to go a little west, right? So we're going to go to western Georgia in a place called Luka Grange. Now, if you're like me who loves ZZ Top, you go out on the Grange, but I know it's not quite the same but that's a really good song. It's one of my best favorite drum solos and everything. Sorry, I get a little hyper about it, but Joe's taking us to Luka Grange and Luka Grange has some historic homes, gardens, shopping, amazing food, wildlife. Yes, they get a little wild out there. So Joe, how are you? And we both have a recording at a time where it's appropriate and we are. We're having a bit of time. And the fun thing is I'm wearing the shirt. This is, I'm just going to call it B shirt that changes colors. So as we talk, the winning shirt. Last time I wore this on a winemaker conversation with Dave over at Bell's Bell's up at what you were on the show with them in the beginning, right? At that one wide across America show Joe. Yeah, everything, you know, I did a follow up conversation with them. And as I'm talking, I'm like, my shirt is black and now it's blue. Same shirt, blue and now it's green. So anyway, tell us a little bit about going there because it was a couple years ago that you went. Yeah, about a year and a half. Pretty close. Oh, I remember exactly when it was now it was actually Saint Patrick's death. Because we ended up at the brewery and I wonder if my heart is turning green because you're in New Orleans. Oh, that's right. It's your voodoo shirt. Oh, I'm saying blue and I'm saying blue. You're blue than you're green than you're blue. But I was there for Saint Patty's day and boy, that had a parade. It was great. Well, great time. So you went there for Saint Patty's day and prayed. So spring has started in spring and you went to some amazing historic homes and gardens and I kind of want to start there because you did an article and everyone there's links in the episode notes to Joe's articles about articles, articles. I just one sip of wine, seriously, articles on on this. I mean, one is the garden destinations magazine or website. And you talk about the this love stories in the garden. Yeah. People this like the women who, women who love the garden, but but women who it's a love story of women who through generations cultivated this amazing place. So about it. Well, it's called Hills and Dale's. That wasn't what it was called originally. It was originally called Farrell's, Farrell's garden, I guess. But it started out in like almost 200 years ago and Nancy Farrell started the gardens, Farrell gardens and her daughter Sarah Farrell. It was passed along. She learned that love of gardening and flowers from her mother. She married and her husband was a local judge and they expanded the garden. They added wharf box wood low profile gardens and she even spelled out words with the gardens. One, she spelled God at the entry to honor all that he created. And the other thing says, fiat justica, let justice be done. I guess maybe for her husband since he was a judge. But it's a beautiful garden and most of that same garden, the way she laid it out is what remains today. And they have the historic pictures to show what it looked like back in the day and that it still looks that way. And Sarah was entertaining a young neighbor boy, not in a bad way, but he was a boy. He would come and spend Sunday afternoons in the garden and he learned to love flowers. She taught him about the plants and young fuller learn about plants and gardening and he was a hard worker. He earned his first nickel when he was eight, probably pulling weeds with Miss Sarah. That's my guess. You know, the history didn't say that, but that's my guess. But he started saving his money. He grew up and was successful. And when she got older, she encouraged him to buy that land and continue the gardens. And he did. It was sold at auction and he bought it. So he, well, but to go to auction, that's kind of like a, so she couldn't just go here, buy it from me. Why did you have to go to auction? Like, that's had, well, I guess she had, it was probably kind of in a trust or or her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's not, yeah. But there had to be, he had to go there to learn the history, everyone. Yeah. But that's pretty like to go to auction and she's encouraging him to go and he's saving money up to be. Well, from a young man, he had always saved his money. So when she passed and the land was auction, he had the money to buy. That's a good man. Yep. And he married, his wife was out of and they continued developing the garden and they changed the name of the home then to hills and dales because of the rolling hills and shady dales that's around the house. She had a greenhouse built and it was replaced about, I don't know, about 50 years later. But it's in the exact same spot. So the structure is in the original footprint. So after fuller and out of died, there again, here we go with the bidding, you're going to jump on this, I know. But when they died, they didn't just want, they didn't, they had two sons and they didn't want to leave it to one son and not the other. And they didn't want him to fight over half and half. So the sons had to submit sealed bids for the property. And Fuller Jr. bested his brother by a small amount. And so he and his wife, Alice Han moved in. Well, that and that's one of the first love stories. Alice had visited this garden and sat on this particular concrete bench during a party listening to the orchestra play music and met this gorgeous man who happened to be Fuller Jr. She was, you know, love it for sight. And within a year they were married. So this is then where she ended up living her entire life after she married that they're the ones who won the sealed bid. But Fuller's brother was not to be outdone. Fuller's brother married Alice's sister. So you got two brothers who married two sisters. And he moved to the next town over. And he and his wife started cowboy gardens. So we'll have to talk about that another time. Wow. Because it's not in the range. It's in the next town over. Oh, well, well, now, now, Fuller, that's such an interesting name because we have Fuller Rush, Fuller Fabrics up in New York State. So this name, I know you love genealogy. I do. I kind of think we need, I think we need to do some research on this name now because this is the third Fuller in this year that we've talked about. So I'm like, can we can we do something? I would almost bet that Fuller came from the text Taiwan because the Callaway's had the Callaway fabric and Callaway carpet that they were in the textile and fiber industry. Okay. So in Arizona, in Tucson, Arizona, right? We do a show with about DeGrazia Gallery in the sun about Ted DeGrazia is the most reproduced artist in the world. And you can go to this gallery. It's a national historic landmark. So Joe, when you get to Arizona, you know, I'm going to hook you up. You got to go. Number one, you'd like it. They have an exhibit right now of when Ted DeGrazia back in the 40s, maybe even earlier, had done all these designs for Fuller fabric. And we did a whole show on this. And so I'm going like, was you're talking on my girlfriend? This is Conway fabric. But, but it's full of Callaway. Uh-huh. For all their fabric. That's why I'm going like Fuller fabric. So you know how the genealogy root goes? Oh, yeah, you always use your question and it's maybe a name. Yeah, you use that made name. No. Two generations later, the made name shows up in somebody's first name. See, I'm just seeing how far I can pull Joe down that rabbit hole, right? Oh, it doesn't take much to pull me. But we won't do it. We're going to do another show. We got one coming up. We got one coming up. But no, but this is fascinating how the gardens grow, right? And they literally grow into another neighboring town. Now, Callaway is also a name in Southern California of Callaway wine. Callaway is a huge name in wine and golf. My kind of pizza. Yeah, wine, golf, and gardens. Do you know how to golf? Do you golf? No, I don't golf. So you're going to be like Nancy and I on the golf cart going around trying to behave and keep quiet while people, well, we get our cocktails today. I don't think they have a bar cart out on the course. I was going to chase that. No, we have a ball fall. I'm chasing the bar cart. No, no, you've got to be in the, you need to we need to go on a road trip, girl. Okay, we need to go. It's going to be dangerous. But okay, so these are gardens and it's all part of also historic homes, right? It is the home experience. The home is built in the Italian estate villa fashion. It's built up on the very top of the hill that overlooks all those beautiful dales and the landscaper's terraced that slope back in the 1800s to reduce erosion and give them better places for planting. And so three generations of the Callaway family have tended the gardens and the estates. And if you're lucky when you go visit the estate, you will get Miss Rose for your tour guide. You can tell she loves the story. She loves every piece of furniture in that house, and she can tell you where they bought it when it was delivered. If it was delivered in the rain, I mean, she knows every story there is about the place. And it has a beautiful home. It has eight bedrooms. And so as soon as they moved in, there's, you know, the husband and wife, then you've got two sons, but that left a lot of empty bedrooms. And it didn't take long for extended family members to come and fill up those rooms too. Well, you know, that happens. It does. That happens. Well, so the Grange itself, it's in Western Georgia, as we were saying, you went to the downtown, it seems like it has like a nice downtown, great restaurants, shopping, lodging, all of that is there. Would you say it's a big, like, it's not like Atlanta, right? So what would you say in size, like comfortably, like, can you park and walk, or do you have to go get a new park? What I did was park my car under the Marriott where I stayed, and I walk other than out to the estates. I walk just about everywhere. It's a, it's a, in front of the hotel is a beautiful park, and it's lighted at night and has a fountain and, you know, lighted statuary. But the square around that park then has shops on that outer edge all the way around in a square. And then a couple of the streets that come up and down the hill into town have shops that you can walk to too. So we walk to bakeries, unless we were headed somewhere else, we would drive and park in front. But they have the cafe brulee. I love crème brulee. So, you know, cafe brulee, I was locked and loaded to go to that place. And they had this orange almond cheese danish. I think I had it three mornings. It was fantastic. Really? You went back. Oh, I went back and back. Yes. And I, and I to go for the next day on the road. And right now, would you go there just for that? I probably would. But you go to the garden and walk it off. Yeah. Yeah. The hot dog place, Charlie Joseph's has been in business for over 105 years. So if you do your math, that was like, you know, 1920. That means they were already open. So that was a time of segregation. So what's interesting about Charlie Joseph's is they were serving blacks and whites at two separate counters. And they had two separate doors. But the people that were making the hot dogs and cooking and all that were in the center. So, and it's still that way today, except it doesn't matter who uses what door, of course, but it's still got the two doors and they're cooking and doing all the work in the center. And you sit at the counter on each side of where they're working. So it's, it's a really cool place. And they make, they have homemade cookies. And then when you order an ice cream sandwich, which you have to have, the ice cream sandwich, you pick out what kind of cookies you want. Chocolate chip or sugar. What? What? And then they put this big slab of ice cream. They get this big hunk of ice cream that chop off a square and put it between two cookies. What? No. Yes. No, no, you are killing me ever. You are literally killing me. I mean, to tell you this, you know, I love my wine and I'm going to have a sick now. But because you just choose to them, cheers, let's just do that. Here's to Charlie Justice. Listen, an ice cream sandwich. I, I, I love a good ice cream sandwich. It's just something about the texture and the cookie thing. But if you didn't have it where it's actually a fresh ice cream, I don't think I've had one. And I'm telling you where to get one. I don't think I've had one. And on cookies. And when you have to picture, you can tell. You know what, you know, we're going from, yeah, I might have to do a big, you're going to have to come that way up through the country. I don't even care if it's winter. I want an ice cream sandwich. Oh, well, I don't give a darn about what time of year. Listen, it is year round. I don't care. No songs, you're warm. I don't care. And you can tell from the picture that I had chocolate chip cookies and, you know, the cookies are round, but then there's this big square slab of ice cream. Oh, don't stop it. I mean, but listen, isn't that about enjoying life? Even if we're not supposed to, or some of us are supposed to enjoy a little show. Everybody should enjoy life. That was our, that was our boomer show. Yes. Eat the cookies. Yeah. Life is short. Eat the cookies and drink good wine. You just gave me reference. Now, let's see if I can talk. But no, the reality is like, um, doing that, it's, it's a, I think there's something about ice cream. I'm not trying to get weird, but when you have ice cream, this is multi-generational. We all, you, we, I mean, some people are lactose intolerant and there's new things for that. But we all have our different things, but honestly, there's something about going in to an ice cream store. And it was in Georgia. I think the last good ice cream cone we had was in Georgia. So Noya, I think I'm saying it correctly this time. And our good friend Phil Boswell, after taking us to Barbie beach, and look that up, Joe, it's in Georgia. Barbie, Barbie beach in Georgia. Maybe you shouldn't look it up, but Barbie. Oh, gosh, it's in Georgia. It's outside Peachtree city, but he took us around. And Sonoya is like where the walking dad is filmed, but we're giving a good shout out to Georgia today. Hey, and he took us to a restaurant that was like heavy southern food and he told Nancy Knack, girls, you've got to learn to eat some southern food. For a Sunday, this is what we do. We have a good southern buffet. And we learned about the southern buffet. Now, I know you know about that. Oh, yes, we love about that. Now we did that. And then afterwards, we're walking on. He takes us to where the walking dead area is and everything from the movie. It's new downtown. Well, it's historic. I don't know what's going on, but it's beautiful. And he goes in and what our values can't even move. And he's going girls, you don't even know how to eat a buffet. We're going to teach you this. Apparently, we need to learn. But if you look at me, you would understand we don't. He goes in the ice cream store and I'm looking at this playing man, he they've got everything in there. And he goes, and I'm like, I'm still full. He goes girls. These are the days that ice cream was made to happen. This is always for I see. He said, these are those days. The sun is shining. It's beautiful. This day was made for ice cream specifically. You must have the ice cream. His wife was like, I've been there done that I'm out. But and all you are. But she's like, no, but he but she's not she doesn't care about it as much. But he got Nancy and I, you need to have the ice cream. And I have to tell you, childish, like we just turned into little kids and like that happy joy, joy. I'm going to say that even a glass of wine, you know, we love our wine. But that joy, joy comes from ice cream. It does. So like the ice cream sandwich and it's fresh and made that way. You had fresh. I'm not trying to do the whole show on the ice cream, but but we could. I could. I could. But I haven't had to pick your flavor of cookies. You get to you get to pick it. So you can have rocky road as the slab of ice, like it sounds like a nice slab of ice cream. I mean, not crazy. But and then I mean, there's chocolate cookies are heavier cookies and peanut butter cookies. So you could you get a better taste every day and stick with the vanilla in the middle. Vanilla with peanut butter. It was sure good with chocolate. Okay. So obviously this, this is becoming a destination. It is. Ice cream and sugar. Did you see Barbie beach yet? No, no. I will. I will send that to everybody later. Barbie beach is someone's roadside attraction that they created out of their house of Barbies and they do not want anybody to dump any more Barbies. But we went there and they have a beach that they've created at the end of their driveway for a bunch of Barbie of Barbie dolls. And it's been there for a while. It's where Barbie dolls can go to their own resort. Yeah, but they they're in retirement male, female, whatever gender they want to identify with and all kinds of other little things. It's it's interesting and it's fun and they have a Barbie beach parking lot for you. But anyway, it's a whole new thing. I had never thought something like that would be happening in Georgia, but it does. You know, we had pet rocks. So why not a beach for Barbies? Well, now we have those painted rocks everywhere. Have you seen that where people are painting rocks everywhere and putting them? All right. So let's go back to LaGrange. We're gonna we're going back to ice cream land. So what about can we go to the cookie company before we leave good food? I just was going to ask about pizza. But now you said cookies. Well, there's a company. And I asked to crave their cookies, a salted peanut butter cookie. Oh, yum salt. Okay, you know, I like that. You know, my taste like, you know, salted peanut butter. And there's pretzel cookies. And what? What? A chocolate cookie, good, good, good, good, molasses, spice crinkles. That's good for the holiday season coming up, right? Yeah. Yeah. I bet they should. I need to look into this. This is such a perfectly time podcast. You thought good. You're like, knowing this is a good fall destination. When you say even for the gardens, I bet you to be good this time of year. And they have s'mores cookies? You did not just say that. I did. I did. You did. The best thing there, though, was the lemon delights. I love lemon. I always say, what are you? Are you just trying to torture us now, Joe? Like, I'm wondering myself, too. I'm right there with you. No, but I mean it. Like, I'm, I'm, you said s'mores. And then you're talking about salted peanut butter. Okay, go to the pizza, but then they make well, they make. I got to tell you about the cookie they make for the dogs. They are not very important for everybody from everything. This is this is a dog everything. This is a dog friendly cookie store. They make a peanut butter bacon dog cookie. No, and as humans want to eat it, I think it would be perfectly acceptable to eat one. I would like a sprinkle of dark chocolate in it, but dogs can't have chocolate, but I love that peanut butter and bacon cookies. I mean, you know, so are they dog friendly? Do people come there with their dogs or do they just come out by the this is this is one of those walkable towns and they have little dog bowls outside with water. So people are walking around with their dogs. And since there's a kitchen there, they probably can't go inside with the dog, but they can go in and get that peanut butter bacon treat and come back out. And the dog is going like, you got your cookie. I got mine. Yeah. Yeah. No, you said that downtown is walkable. So do they have like grassy areas where there's benches for people want to sit, they have that big park in the middle and you can go into the park and sit under a tree, there's benches. Oh, I love that. It's a lovely little spot. It's a lovely little town. And they have lots of places to eat. They have a grill that's been open since 1949. They have they serve breakfast and lunch only. So you have to go find your dinner somewhere else, but that's not hard to do. They have like gravy and biscuits for breakfast or eggs with bacon and pancakes. Lots of choices. They have a restaurant with a cook who is from the court on blue school train chef, fried oysters with Cajun sauce. They had Cajun crawfish alfredo the night that we went. And that was the special. They have not have only been during the Mardi Gras week, but it might be, you know, just not that you're at that confluence of all these amazing states being connected. You know, it's it's kind of, it makes sense to me that it's connected there, you know. So the food is fabulous. It is. And you went to a lot of museums too, right in galleries and I did a lot. Yeah, this Marisol though, I got to tell you about the burger and they have 100 wines. Where's the pizza? Marisol. Well, this was Marisol and they have bacon, bacon jam smash burger. That's my next visit. I have that already written down. Bacon jam smash burger. Um, the pizza though, Pete, I tell you what, the pizza on a busy night, they're lined up all the way through the building and down the sidewalk. Oh, it is popular. Believe me, Carvala's pizza. And we picked a busy night, unfortunately, but you know, you make lots of friends standing in line talking. So that's what we did. And the pizza that worth it? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was delicious. And they had wings that were just amazing. So definitely the place to go and eat if you want pizza or wings is Carvala's. I think I'm saying that right. Wow, wow. So basically, good food. Yes. Yeah, there's a couple of great Italian places. Um, the Italian place that we went to Venuche's. Um, I was looking over my notes from this place. I was looking at those names, thinking, Oh, she's going to love this one. You know, I did it. I see, you know, me now, Venuche. We had an artichoke Francois appetizer, um, which was like almost like tin purer batter on artichokes. And then they're sauteed in lemon butter and wine. Okay. What are you, what are you doing again? What are you doing again? I know. I'm doing it again. We got, we got the next the end of it. So, so the food, this would be a foodie destination. Definitely be. And I know they've opened that they've been doing some renovations in a historic hillside area and the storefronts are being renovated. And it sounds like almost all restaurants going in on that end of town. So it, I thought I'd go back. I thought too many meals to eat. And then the, the, the medicine shop, you know, the drug store, the town drug store has wonderful ice cream. And you can go get a float or a milkshake, like a, like old school, uh, uh, old school, a beautiful, beautiful, uh, wooden soda fountain. You know, we like that. Oh, I do too. My drug store here has a soda fountain. So I need to do a whole show about them. We should do it. Well, we should. We'll have to do that for like, yeah, we'll do that. But that, that to me is so cool to go into historic towns like that and have these, you know, nostalgic meals and, and, or definitely sweet treats, right? And then there's a winery in a historic house and barn. 1833 is when the house was built. I have to maybe take a sip. Sorry. Go ahead. I'll, I'll top you drink. No, I'm bad. I'm bad. 200 year old pecan trees, which is where Nutwood got its name from the pecan trees. Um, they have tastings. They have appetizers. We were there. Nobody talks about Georgia wine, but they had it. It's, and you can tell that it's clearly Georgia wine because one of their wines is butter, pecan and wine. No way. Is that more like a chardonnay or like, uh, I think it's more of a, um, more a sweeter pina grigia is what I would say. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah, because it's going to be because you're in the summer and the grapes are going to be different. Sure. No, you're right. Yeah, because of the butter. Yes. Well, they have a raspberry one bottle. Yeah. I mean, I think it's going to be more sweet, right? Yeah. Then they have, and they have, you know, the usual suspects, the cab, proc and, uh, pin in the wall and black cherry, everything to sit on the front porch with. Yeah, definitely. Although at the barn, you're sitting on their back porch and they have, uh, fire pits, big, you know, the tables with the fire pit in the middle so that you have the hour edge where you put your plates and your glasses and your feet and get your toes toasty and you can just sit back and live music. They had a great guy play in music the night that we were there. So now I want those small cookies with my wine now. Oh, yeah. And, and you got that fire. So you could kind of cheat and toast them a little bit. Just don't tell anybody. Just I'm sick. Nobody. Nobody will care. No, we just got to get the rod from somewhere, but we'll get one. We'll get one. We'll split. And then there's a brewery downtown and also in walking distance. Now the water is not walking distance, but, uh, the brewery is, and it's called Wild Leap. They have over a dozen different beers. They have vodka and cocktails, too, and wine-based cocktails. So in my kind of place, I'm not drinking only beer. I've learned over the years to appreciate the tastes of different beers, but I'm still going right back to wine. So in other words, when we go on a trip, you and Nancy, Nancy'll do cocktails. You do the wine, and I'll do the beer. Okay. And then we have it all. And we can say, oh, this is really good. Taste this. I love my beer. I adore. I do. In fact, I don't know many beers. I don't like. I don't know. Like me and wine. No, I'm picking about wine. No, I said like me and wine. Yeah, so you like all beers and I've never met one. I'm going to have to look at that because I never really thought about it. It's about making me think. Yeah, but that's the thing about travel and tasting, right? What's great about going to a brewery, a winery, a restaurant, and stuff where you can do tastings. The sampling, you can go, okay, that's not my thing, but you kind of just shrug it off and move on to what you do and you gravitate to what you like. And you start learning member. See, us human beings are negative beings, right? And listen, travel is here to jolt us out of the negative stuff. The things we like. Yeah. And so I think whenever you can go to a place and have a tasting, a flight of samplers of food or wine beer of anything, you get to go, let me get the negative out of the way. Now let's have a good time. Let's have a party. And I think we should turn life into that. We go, all right, there's a negative, but we as human beings tend to dive into the negative more. So I think through travel, no, come on, Joe isn't that the truth, through travel, we're forced. I don't do that. I don't eat that. And I'm like, jeez, life's too short. Try. But that's really how you like it. And most people say, well, I don't like that. Have you tried it? Well, no. Yeah, I've done, I've tasted things that I never thought I would like. And like, I don't like bananas. But you know what, Tiffany's bed and breakfast makes the best bit banana bread out. And I will eat banana bread because that would make great French toast. And it does. And even great toast, by the way, I don't know why people don't toast fruit bread as toast. Momma always did. She she made banana bread a lot. And she would toast it and have butter on it. It's so much better with butter and butter. Are you in the south right now or what? What's happening? Everything's better with butter. Oh, okay. So, all right. So the same, listen, people travel, get the samples. And if you don't like something good, it's not my cup of whatever it is, not my, my thing, but try on to the next. And that's the beauty of tasting things. It's like when you go to a restaurant and say no free tastings. Ever. I tell people that all the time when I hang out a lot on at Total Wine and more. You said they're doing tastings. And people go by and they and they'll they say you want to try some wines and people will say well no. And they've got a buggy with bottles of wine in the buggy. They're buying wine. And I turn around and I will always say never turn down free wine. Taste it. You can find something you like better than what you bought. Exactly. Or looking at it. Exactly. It's a weird thing about that. People, we are weird, weird human race. And this is the beauty of travel because it jolts us out of our comfort zone. See, now you finally got to have some wine. You said wine every time you say the word wine I started Davison. I thought we were playing back there. That's a good idea. I thought this was a radio game. But anyway, no, but listen, Joe, I think it's so important what you're talking about because when you go to a town like this and you're saying at the Marriott, right, you know, you know, you got a clean room, you know, it's spacious, you know, you got the wire upstairs and have a view of the park. Oh, do you? Oh, that's nice. That's that's what I had. See, and then you can go out to the different johns. But if you can go downtown with a brewery, go drive out a little bit, get it. Lift Uber, don't drink and drive. Obviously, I just I always want to say that. That's the nice thing about LaGrange. You can drink and walk. Or walk back to the hotel, drink and call. But you got cookies along the way. That's right. And lots of restaurants and pizza. So it seems like a nice quality of life. Now, historically, I know I wanted to bring this up. I know you're working on an article that will come out later. But then we go from wine to Jesus, because Oh, you've got the Bible Museum. So I've what is going on with this and why there and how what where? What is this about? Well, let me tell you about one house before we get to the Bible Museum. Okay, there is another gorgeous mansion, an antebellum home in LaGrange. Oh, yes, that's right. Sorry, Bellevue. That's right. It seemed like it was built. Yeah, it was built of like 1852. Well, I'm cheating and looking at my notes. But again, we're back to Fuller Callaway, because the Fuller Callaway Foundation bought that house, I guess maybe it went up for auction. I don't know. But it bought the house and presented it to the LaGrange Women's Club. And it's been taken care of ever since 1942 by the women of LaGrange. And it is gorgeous. Can I give? Okay, I'm not trying to drink more wine, but maybe I am. But cheers to the women's clubs of this country. And all that they have preserved. These are the daughters of the revolution. These are the women who in towns that I have been in, chained themselves to live oak trees that were in the middle of a street that people wanted to cut down and be able to pave and make a wider street. And they said, no, you're not cutting down this 250 year old tree. You can drive around it. Okay, we're going to have to do a whole other show because now I'm going to start saying a whole bunch of other women, but women did. They protected brick roads and natural to Louisiana. They sat in the road and said, hell no, you are not thinking about. They've done it all through Texas. They've done it the penny for the pines, but historically women in the clothes, not our clothes, where mine flashes different colors. Joe's all cool. She get you would never be able to wear what you're wearing 100 years ago and get away with that and drink wine. No, we were put in the little salon, drink your log limb and shut up. Right? That's what's going on. That's right. Am I not right? I mean, I'm not you're definitely right. I mean, I'm just saying. So when we think about the times that these women throughout all of these areas, these small towns, there were revolutions going on in small communities that we never hear about. They're not in the history books. So I'm glad thank you for bringing that up because I want you know, the women's clubs are dying off because we're a digital age now. And I wonder what's going to happen. And we are connecting to groups, I think. I think we're doing it through our Facebook groups and things like that. And there's lots of them that are still alive and well. Look in the pallets club international. All right. Well, and they're not flying planes. It's not that kind of pallets club. I have cousins and second cousins that are maintaining and thriving in pallets clubs in Virginia. There is a pallets club here in Myrtle Beach that I just ran into somebody at a chamber of commerce meeting about a month ago. And that was the first thing when it said pallets club on her name tag, I went, you've got to be kidding. Do you know my cousins? And she did. Whoa. Yeah, from Virginia. So she named my cousins here and she wants me to come and join the pallets club. But I know I don't have the time to devote to what I would need to devote. I know what they do. But we can support them. We can. We can definitely. See that's the thing. Every death. That's the thing. We can all do our role. And when you think about all these people cultivating the gardens, like going back from the history of these women cultivating the gardens at the time and understanding the value of that, you know, historically, and women even saying, hey, I want this, I want that, you know, I want to make this happen. That was a step even back then. It was. I'm just saying, I know it doesn't sound like it because it luddy-daw times, but you still had to put your foot down. Okay, so we've got historic homes, gardens. Now, and take us to Bible school. Yes, Bible school. The biblical historic history center. It's very close to downtown. It's probably not five, eight minute drive from downtown. The USA Today, where, you know, the readers are always voting on the best 10 of something or other. Lots of those are the best 10 beaches. And they were right here in the grand strand, which we've talked about. Got to plug my home. But they picked this place, the biblical history center, as one of the 10 best religious museums in the country. This place has hands-on experiences, especially for kids where they can do little digs and sit through the sand and find pieces of pottery and how to investigate and decide whether this was a plate or was it a vase or a vessel that held water. But they offer things like that. They have, I think it's like a 15 item lunch. You can go and eat the things that you would have eaten if you were in biblical times. If you were at the last supper, these are the foods you would have eaten. And I think that's about an hour and a half lunch where they educate you as you're eating. And then they have the lunch and tour so that you also do another hour and a half tour. So you spend about three hours doing that. And of course the day I went, I was late in the afternoon. So I didn't get to do that. So I'm telling you, I have got to go back. Well, I'm so great. Invite me back. Yeah, yeah. Hello. But I'm fascinated by this because of all the different religious beliefs. It was the most amazing thing. And they- What if you're Jewish going in there? What would you think? Like, you know what I mean? How did they handle the different religions? I don't know. I don't know if they have different tours, but it's the place. It's the sense of place when you go in. It's like, I'm walking, where Jesus walked, that's the feeling you got. So a Jew would have felt like I'm walking at the time that is depicted in the Old Testament. It's that biblical era. They have artifacts somewhere. So, that era, not necessarily just the Bible. It's the era. Yeah, I mean, it's you're walking in sand and there's tents with the the stripe in the weave, the camel covered seats. You just feel like you have walked into the Old Testament, that whole era. They have artifacts that they have in their collection. They have artifacts that are alone from other museums, international museums, even. These are places you can see things that you might only see in, I don't know, I'll throw a name out there. But people get to understand the era. And this is because of different belief systems, right? So, well, to me, I'm very, I'm what do you call ecumenical? Very like, I'm independent politically and independent religious wise, right? You know what you believe? You can change it any time you want. Hence my shirt. You get to be a chameleon any time you want. You can, you can transform any time you want. To me, religion is very fascinating and I don't want to get anybody up in arms, my gosh, no. It is. But it's history. It's part of history. And you can believe or not believe or do whatever, but going to things that you can't do. But you can't do now the historical aspect of it. Yeah. Well, that's going to be interesting for people to go in. I want to go personally, just, you know, I, you know, when I was a kid, I went to all kinds, I mean, I went to a school with had 50, 50 churches in it. When I was in boarding school, and it was a small town, 50 churches, all the leaves that I went to, all of them to figure it out. And when I like you, I don't like you. Why? And then, you know, some were just shorter service and us kids could go outside and smoke a cigarette in the bushes. Don't tell anybody. But no, but honestly, it is about learning, right? And so I think, you know, if you're on a, if you're spiritually thoughtful, whether you believe in certain things or not, you should go. Yeah. And it helps to understand other people when you understand something about their religion and their beliefs. I like that. I like that a lot. I don't, I mean, I go to mosques and things like that too. So, you know, and I've always looked at all the different religions to find where can we all unite. Yeah. But that's nice. I can see, I can see like, like road trips and school tours, Christian schools or homeschooling, they're always looking for places to learn about different aspects of not just religion, but history. Exit from the page to realize. I mean, it's a whole lot cheaper than find up to Israel or Jerusalem to go to Georgia. This may be not the time. And they have, they have special events throughout the year. I know that in the spring, they have the empty tomb tour. So they're of course talking about that time period in the Bible. So they, they do rotate what they're doing and their exhibits. So it's just a very interesting place that I think, I think it's great. Catch you off guard. Well, yeah. And, but there's a lot of places in this country that are like biblical destinations, more Bible camp or religious camps, you know, right, but do the hotels, do you think, no, like, hey, we've got, you know, Bible study groups coming in. Do they cater to that? Do you think? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't wonder about that. But that being there, that's got to be something that would, if it's in the top 10 of the country from USA today, I think that's something they should be tapping. Mary, that's going to be as a marketing plan. Working with them for sure. A Marriott that where you stayed has got to have like a group thing for Bible study groups and religious groups coming in. Because I can see people coming and doing a couple of days at this museum so that they could do the lunch at least two days because you could do the lunch. And that's an hour and a half, two hour tour, and then an hour and a half lunch and, you know, I'm going to make two hours. Do they give us wine? Do they give us wine? Jesus made wine? Come on. He did. He did. I think they should. I don't know. You want the loves, the fishes and the wine. That's right. I want it all. The lectures on the digs and the finding the pottery and identifying things that you find. I would. That's fascinating. But boy, I'd be right there. That would be a fall. I'm so into the ancient pottery because it's a story of utility, right? Funky art. It's the utility of how people lived and what they did, what it showed, what was going on in their environment, right? And the pottery is beautiful. I didn't want to see it. I'm going to see it all. Yeah, this isn't just like, hey, I made this part to show you. They made beautiful things. Wow. That's amazing. That's amazing. And then just right. 30 minutes down the road is Pine Mountain and they have a wild animal safari, a drive-through safari. It's fantastic. I mean, the animals are just such hams and they're such beggars because they know everybody driving through has that bag of goodies so you can hand them treats. So they're just such miniatures. But it's a good wildlife. You've got wine. You've got got Jesus to put us all in place. That's right. But he'll let us have wine. You've got breweries, you've got cookies, you've got ice cream, you've got a good hotel, you've got a good downtown, you've got shopping, you've got gardens. I mean, what else do you want? It sounds good to me. What are we missing? Anything? No, sounds good. I'm going to have to go there now. I've seen, I've actually seen the signs on the road. You know how we travel. Well, it's halfway between Chattanooga and Atlanta. Yeah, I've been through there. Now I'm going to have to stop. Thank you for alerting us because now we're going to have to stop and not stop, stop, but stop. Yeah, print out my article and circle all the things. I'm going to have to have wine. So that means I've spent the night. Definitely. Definitely. And I want that ice cream. I want that ice cream. Are you kidding me? Have the hotdog first. Go at launch and have your hotdog. Oh, this is like a two. This is getting to be a three day thing. I think, huh? Well, yeah. Because then there's all those cute art shops and galleries. And there's there's a couple of museums in town, a history museum. She just wants us to go everywhere and have fun. But hey, listen, everyone, Joe's got a great travel guide. It's listed and linked in the episode notes. Watch her on social media. She's going to be posting an article about the Bible Museum that we're talking about the biblical times. So watch for that in the future. But I'm in the meantime, we're going to have to catch up with you real fast because you're about to jet off to upstate New York and come back and tell us. Yeah, I mean, she's on her way. And as this air, she's out partying in the Finger Lakes drinking wine. They have good ice cream. She's going to go wet. They're going to go to the Corning. Oh, I'm going to blow glass that promised. I've done everything else. I want those stained glass. Oh, I'm going to have video, honey. There there will be pictures and videos. And we listen right now to what she's doing. So this is all through the International Free Wine Travel Writers Association. I love when you all go on these conferences, because I just sit back and work and then peek on social media and see where everyone's going. I love it. But yes, Corning upstate New York, apparently in Corning area, that area, I've been. Finger Lakes. Yes, that whole area, David DiGloria told me, hamburgers, wine and ice cream, those three things you cannot go wrong with in that area. So I know you mentioned the hamburger and macarons. Oh, I have a wine pairing, wine and macaron pairing coming up. Are y'all all jealous? Yes. Oh, does that mean you're coming on another happy hour show? Yeah. You know, we have one called gummies wine and martinis coming up. I'm just warning you now. Oh, I did not know that. Sign me up because I'll talk about wine pairings with macarons. I like that. And I've had friends that said, you're going to pair wine and cookies. Now, you're talking to the woman who wrote the article on wine pairings with Halloween game. Yes, I'm going to pair wine with cookies. What do you mean, not pair of wine with cookies? It's about, okay, we have to do another show, apparently. We need more education out there. We need more education. Just like wine and chocolate goes hand in hand, but it's the right chocolate for the right wine. Same thing with the cookies. You can have a nice chardonnay with a peanut butter kind of cookie, depending on how much you put of peanut butter in the cookie. You got to have a light. It's got to be light. And Riesling is really good with candy corn, just saying. Okay, but we can't wait for next month. We can talk about that next month. Oh, and I do like candy corn. I know I'm not supposed to, but I don't care because I like I don't care either. I love it. I love gummy bears. I should do you buy a little white tip off first. All of it. I do all I do every same thing. Oreos. I'll do the whole thing with Oreos, the whole weird eat this, do that, lick this, lick that. I'll do that. But the reason is I will do that because I want enough to do always same thing as candy corn. I'll do the little nibble, this nibble that. And then I'm just like, give me a handful. And then I will go in. Yep, I will go in at the end. And then as soon as I do it, I feel my teeth melt and go, why did I do that? Don't do it again. And then I know Halloween is over. I don't do it the next day because I overdid myself and I said, that's enough. But not a huge hand because honestly, I mean, even thinking about it, does it kind of make your teeth curl? Like, I always say that's a feeling to me like sugar, so much sugar. Yeah. My teeth feel like it's bending. They're bending. They're like, no. Yeah. Yeah. I stick to wine more on the sugar levels, but except for gummy bears when I drive, I eat gummy bears. I'm not a fan of gummy. I eat some gummy things, but not much. That's not one of my things. We got to figure out what kind of gummy she's having. I like crunchy. You know, that's why I'm a cookie thing. I'm the original cookie monster. And those cookies are my name. Well, we have crunchy bars. We like to try a crunchy bar. I'm going to get that. I'm going to get one for you. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to see what we can do. Whenever we get one because Nancy needs them, it is honeycomb that is crunchy on the inside. Like dried and crunchy covered with chocolate. That is a chocolate bar in South African, England. Something to look forward to. I think you got to go to England next. Next year, I would love to go to England and Scotland and Wales and Ireland. Just saying, everybody, a genius. Jo goes everywhere. Jo goes everywhere. Thank you, Jo. We can't wait. We'll hear about your adventures in upstate New York. Thank you all for joining us. Keep up with Jo. We're here as, you know, every second Sunday at 7 p.m. See? Triple S. Second Sundays at seven. 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