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This week’s podcast is presented by Stephen and Jacqueline.

We hear from:

Big Sister Helen, who has predictions about several of Ambridge’s couples;
Grellan, a first time caller-innerer - Hurrah! - who has a prediction relating to George;
Love Jazzer’s Singing who is worried by George’s lack of remorse;
Elizabeth, who is impressed with Fallon
Ros, things these stories are coming along very nicely
Carolynne, who thought Thursday’s episode was very satisfactory
Ambridge Olwyn, another first time callerinerer, hurrah! who wants to know something about Clive
Katherine: who found the sex talk too cringy
Tracy in California who thought Thursday’s episode was the best for ages….

We also have an email from Gillian.

Plus: we have the Week in Ambridge from Suey, and a roundup of the Dumteedum Facebook group from Witherspoon.

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Find others on Apple Podcasts. [Music] Hello! This is Dum Tidam, a weekly podcast about the archers and the goings-on of Ambridge. I'm Jacqueline Bertow, who is not bulldozerable. And I'm Steven Bowden, and I'm done apologizing. I'm just done. And then there's you, our lovely Dum Tidamas, who've been run ragged with village event organisation. Welcome to Dum Tidam. This is a place to talk about things that are happening in our favourite borsa-cha village. This week's scripts were written by Katie Hymns. Coming up, we have calls from big sister Helen, who has predictions about several of Ambridge's couples. Grelen, a first-time coronerer, Hara, who has a prediction relating to George. Love Jazz's singing, who is worried by George's lack of remorse. Elizabeth, who is impressed with Fallon. Rose. Sinks these stories are coming along very nicely. Carolyn, who thought Thursday's episode was very satisfactory. Anbridge Alwin, another first-time coronerer, Hara, who wants to know something about Clive. Catherine, who found the sex talk too cringy. And Tracy in California, who thought Thursday's episode was the best for ages. We also have an email from Gillian. Plus, we have the week in Ambridge from Sui and a roundup of the Dum Tidam Facebook group from with a spoon. Let's start by going straight into the roundup of the week in Ambridge from Sui. Hello, lovely people. It's Sui, Queen Nautar here, and the roundup of this week in Ambridge. Well, it's finally time for the village fate. We seem to have been hearing about it, but ages. Joy tried to persuade Asra to run an open surgery in a free consultation for everyone who buys a book. Asra put her foot down with a firm hand, he looked shipping anyone who asked about their health into buying a book. She sold Alistra a thriller while comparing their experiences of free-range patients. She said she's never doing it again. In fact, chance of that, Asra. George, in the meantime, was a dog in the manger and didn't even want to go well-wanging. Emma made excuses for him any wind a lot. Justin was hoisted by his own petard when it turned out Alice was exactly the right person to talk to Rani Peershaw, as she was the buyer of Banjo Alice's cash cow. Sorry, horse. The stables is going to be the best choice, particularly when your horse is their horse. Then he had a right old stop in the tea room because he's flat white and gone fold. Emma showed off her exemplary customer services skills, saying that he had to buy a fresh one, as he'd been talking too much, and that's why it went cold. Fallon attempted to get to the bottom of it. Emma avoided telling the truth about George, saying he's just not right at the moment, and he's very nervous about going to court. In the meantime, Justin and Fallon talked about opening a meat and dairy-free cafe at the charging station. Harrison wooed her with a tofu chilli. We know what happens in Ambridge when you eat chilli. Clive stalked Susan in the supermarket and tried to get her to buy a pineapple for its bee vitamins. Then Susan and Tracey came up with an extraordinary scheme to pay Clive to push off, extracting money from everybody ever associated with horopms and grundies. Those people in the village who rarely have to help me scrub together, let's be honest. It's all sure to go well. Anyway, Brad's told them to start behaving nicely, and that Clive can see his dad, Bert, under supervision. He needs supervising from his pedaling of woo-woo, as Brian would call it. At first glance, therefore, it would sound like Kate and Clive should have lots in common, but there was a magnificent showdown in the shop where Joy was an absolute treasure. Kate was held hostage in the post office way back when, and Clive threatened her with a gun. He didn't remember her to start off with, probably because it was a completely different actress, and tried to get her to do mindful breathing. Kate tore him off a strip and Joy threw him out of the shop. It was magnificent. George was put in the bins out when Clive strolled by. Oh, the dilemma. Susan and Tracey were cold and heartless, apparently. Clive says he's changed for the better, they for the worst. George reminded him that Susan went to jail for him, but he really didn't care. He's basically going to do whatever he likes from now on. Now, let's have a special sister's lunch with much mutual black slapping and, oh, I love you being said repeatedly. I almost like Kate for a minute, but then she got very saccharine sweet. The best bit of the week was Neil, who wrangled Clive like a man with his family's best interest at heart and told him what's what. Clive in return said he was going for a ringside seat and some popcorn when the whole thing collapses and people get their come up and says, well, we'll just have to wait and see what happens next week. I'm going to predict there'll be trouble. Well, thank you very much for that, Suey, a very succinct pracy of the week in Ambridge. So, Stephen, how has your week been? The big news is that my new bathroom is finally finished and paid for and came in just a bit under budget, so that's really excellent news. What's not quite so good is that they're working the bedroom to resolve the damp problem is still underway. The damp stuff has now been done, but they need to rebuild a couple of walls and then it needs to be painted and some floor put down and then that should all be done via about the 23rd or thereabouts and then I will be able to move back into the bedroom, so that's looking good. What a relief that will be. So, how about you? How is your week? You've been on holiday, in fact, for three weeks now. Three weeks came back. We arrived back last weekend, so hit the ground running on Monday. Lots of things going on, lots of things to catch up on, but the big thing that we've been building up to is happening today, which is why we are recording this in the dark. It's not quite dark, but it is almost the... It's only just a break here, falling the same with you. But this... Today, I'm driving my daughter up to Paris, which is six hours driving, settling her into her new shared flat as she starts working for a well-known missile producing company. Now, there we go. Next step in life. This is your daughter, Emily. Yeah, Emily and Mimi. So, Emily and Paris, you could almost... Yeah, you could almost make a TV show about it, because yeah, I think working at an advertising age is quite different from working logistics to MBDA. But, in fact, she's doing it as a part of our MBA, and so she'll be three weeks in Paris on one week in Ren, so you can imagine the logistics of all that. The trains between the Paris and Renata. Yeah, the trains are fantastic. It's just that when she gets to Ren, she needs to have transport to get from... She's just booked an Airbnb type of room near the school, because she's only going to be there four nights in the week. So, it'll be about her getting a train back to as near here as possible, Sambria, and on the Friday night, and I'll be picking her up against it. So, it sounds like I've gone backwards from her being very free with her own little vehicle for the last three years. I'm now going to become mum's taxi again. But my car is very full of a life at the moment, so as soon as we finish this, we're off. That's it. I think that's more than enough about us. Should we get on with the important part, which is the Coro-Inners? Absolutely. And, first up after this, is going to be Helen. Hello, Puscat. Hello. This is Big Sister Helen, and I've just been having international conference with my young brother, Globe-toting Richard, about what the future holds for the marital map of Ambridge over the next year or so. My predictions are that Ed Wilke also betrayed by Emma, that relationship will end, and he'll get together with his first love, Helen. Harrison will get together with Kirsty, and Will and Emma will end up together again. So, let's see what things look like in a year's time. Bye. Thank you for that call, Helen. I'm not convinced, I have to say. I think that Ed and Emma are going to make it through this. I think that Ed will realize that George is George, and that Emma was just doing what she had to do. It's not as if Emma actually has betrayed him in any serious way about just not telling him about stuff that she is dealing with Will on. So, I'm just not convinced that's going to happen. And I can't see if Helen and Ed, as a long-term thing, I think they've moved apart a long way since the days of Dross and all that when they were much closer together. And so, unfortunately, that means the whole chain of events, Harrison and Kirsty, again, they just don't have enough in common. I know that Harrison wants to get into rewilding and maybe having thought about being the wildlife's cop, but no, I don't think so. And Will and Emma, no, no, sorry. So... So, Stephen's disagreed with everything that you've proposed that, Helen. It's all one long chain of events. Yeah. So, I think I just don't see anything. I think the basic element is that we need for that to work, Ed and Emma need to finish their relationship. Anna, I am loath to agree with everything you've said, Stephen, but yes, I think that's a very unlikely. I think Ed is a twit, but he's not as much of a Twitter's Will is. And he's... He loves Emma so much and he's very supportive of it. I think he's got to be very careful with the George scenario because he isn't his dad. George is very quick to point that out very, very regularly. So, I don't think this will be the end of Ed and Emma, but George is going to be yet more of a fly in the ointment of their relationship. And I think Ed will be disappointed and cross at the beginning that Emma hasn't shared with him, but he knows she's stressed. Even lots of people have noticed that people are stressed this week. Helen noticed she was stressed, well, he couldn't miss it, could she? And Brad noticed that George was acting strangely as well and talked to his mum. I think as this story goes on, we can't start suspecting the ends or the difficulties in relationships with people, but I'm not convinced that it will, as you said, and in Emma and Ed splitting up, and therefore, those are the scenarios. In fact, if I can see Harrison and Kirsty together, though, if something came to look at those relationships as possibilities, the only thing that makes me laugh is the idea of them having a standing around a microphone recording it. I know we've got to pretend it's real life because those two accents, both quite four accents, so it would be quite amusing for the actors, I think, to have a lot of scenes together. But great to hear from you again, Helen, because I do remember when you and Richard called in together quite a long time ago. Who are we having next? Next up is a first-time caller inra, and it's... Hooray! Ooh, well. I've done some demoers. My name is Grelund, and as first-time calling, I haven't been listening to the artist for that long or any time consistently, but really enjoying the George and Emma storyline. My prediction is that George will face some kind of a choice between Clive and Emma, so maybe he'll overhear Clive's threatening Emma to tell... threatening him, he'll tell me a bit about him. George will face a choice between Clive and Emma, and he'll choose Emma, and he'll do the right thing. And so, thanks very much. Bye-bye. Welcome, Grelund. Thank you for making the time to call in. If I've been his name, I've never heard of Grelund before. I hope other people can hear you as well as we can, because the quality of that call isn't actually brilliant, despite Stephen's working on it. But yeah, I think, I feel like you've got... Do you want to go on to the right thing there, that Clive will push George into such a position that he's got to choose between going with what his mum says and believing in Uncle Clive. But I don't know, by the end of this week, I felt like perhaps George was seeing the cracks in his and Clive's relationship. I thought that it was possible that Brad was going to make George see the error of his ways, but actually, it was more, I think, that Brad was being lured into Clive's orbit in a worrying way. And that, I think, is something that potentially could be quite disastrous or Brad, if he does start to believe that Clive has reformed and all this yoga and stuff like that is pineapples and so on, are all a good thing. I don't know, I think that clearly Emma is very firm in her view on Clive and unchanging. I think that Susan will be as well, is as well now that she's met him in the supermarket. And those two people may be more influential or Neil as well. But yeah, I think that it's a good call, Roland, because somebody is going to have to make him see the error of his ways. And Emma probably is the best place. And ultimately, George is a very immature young man who needs his mother. Yeah, absolutely. Welcome down to his mum against the rest of the world, really. So it's one of those things that we've kind of predicted and talked about everywhere. It's interesting that you were slightly worried about Brad, because I took that away as well. But of course, we're not talking about, and nobody has called in about Neil. Neil was fantastic. I felt this week. And I love Neil anyway, as most people realize by now, but I just felt that he dealt with Clive in such a way. But the ending was with that threateningness of Clive. We know that the real Clive is there despite his protestations that he does, he only knows the nutritional value or not the pineapple. Interesting. Yeah, I think it's interesting that everybody loves Neil. Nobody ever calls in about him. Yeah, very interesting. So that's why I had to bring him up with the abuse. So I think we're going on to loves just a singing next night, aren't we? We are indeed. Hello, Dumpty Dum. Love Jazz is singing here. I've just listened to the show. And with this Brunelangus Haggis's question about what would you do if you were George's parent have really caught me thinking? And the unsettling aspect of George's behaviour for me is his lack of remorse. I wasn't a great teenager. I used to sometimes spontaneously not tell the truth, get myself in a bind and it would get worse. And then I'd unburden myself to my mum in floods of tears. And the interesting part about what George has done is the remorselessness. I would expect a young person in that position to be terrified of the scorn of the community of being found out, of being revealed about the shame, really. I'm talking about shame, his lack of shame. And that is a problem. So normally with a young person who was experiencing shame, the parental job is to say, yes, it's frightening to face up to it. It is for the best, trust me and I'll walk the paths with you. But in this situation, of course, for his parents, that's different. And in that case, with the remorseless young person, I'd be saying, maybe pulling a lever saying, I'm disappointed that you don't want to tell your father. And because it affects him, I am sorry that I made a promise that I can't keep. I am going to tell him. I'll give you a few days. So perhaps you could tell him first. I think that the danger of the divide and conquer thing that George is doing shouldn't be underestimated. And you don't want to lose your marriage over. A sort of slightly sociopathic child. Sorry, I did diagnose there. Thank you very much for that call. Love Jazz's singing. And I can't disagree with anything you say. I think that the mistake was made by Emma. I think with a spoon actually said that last week that it was a mistake from Emma to promise not to tell Ed. And she needs to get out of that promise. I think she's got something of a code of sticking to her word, which is unhelpfully in this place. And of course, she's previously had a code of family loyalty and so forth, which she managed to compromise when she dobed Keith into the crime soppers call after he burnt the barn down at Brookfield. And I think we discussed that last week. I think she can be flexible when it comes to that sort of thing, eventually, despite others in the family. And then back then it was Tracy who was shocked that she was shopping her own uncle in to crime stoppers. And I think she's got to do it again. She's got to find a way of, in this case, I think of shopping George to Ed and explain what's going on because it can't last. We said earlier in response to Helen's call that we don't think that it's going to end their marriage. But the longer it carries on and the deeper whole George digs him itself into with Clive, the harder it's going to be to unravel all of that. And the more Ed will feel betrayed. And I said it won't break them up, but it will certainly put a crimping things. And it won't be good for the teeth on a business. And you really don't want to be upset when you're handling chainsaws. Definitely not. Don't forget to shout clear the drop zone. Yeah, I agree with Love's Jazz's singing because he is an absolutely remorseless young man, George. His the lies seem to trip off his tongue. And that, when they were at the cinema this week, we had hit him and Brad. Brad said, Oh, amazing. Thanks for buying the popcorn. And he didn't say, Oh, well, uncle Clive has promised to pay me back for it. Whether that happens is something else. But it was the way that the lie just tricked off his tongue. He's remorseless about everything. And I agree. And I think he's gonna be a very difficult scenario for ideas, a very difficult time for Emma to try and persuade him to go do the right thing. And now that Clive's muddying the waters. Well, next up, we have Elizabeth, who hasn't called in for a while. Hello, Steven, Jacqueline, Suey and the Dump Dump team. This is Elizabeth. I'm not a first-time coloraner, but I haven't coloranered for a long time. I think the last time I rang in was about Brad, these GCSE results. I am super cool. I just wanted to comment on Fallon's dialogue and the actress's performance of her because I just feel like it's so pleasing to me as a woman in her 30s listening to just a really, really real woman in her 30s. There was an episode a few weeks ago, where she went out with a girlmate for a drink. And it was exactly like how me and my friends talked to each other. The laughing, the silly little stories, the way you repeat things back to each other in a heightened way. I loved it. And then again, this week with her and Harrison, where at last, a couple that just want to go on holiday and have sex. I love it. I can't believe I was so thrilled when I listened to that episode. I was like, at last, yeah, I'm just really enjoying her as a character. I feel like she's either being written by a woman in her 30s or the team are absolutely on it with her and the actress is doing a smashing job. So yeah, that's my thoughts of the day. Thank you so much. Bye. Great. Brilliant. Great to hear from you again, Elizabeth. Yes, Fallon. It's different for me because I'm a woman in my 60s. So I find slightly, I find some of the dialogue, especially this week, I've found some of the dialogue a bit difficult, to feel that it was realistic. But yeah, when Fallon's out with her friends and when she's dealing with Emma who's in a crisis and dealing with Justin, I do feel her character is well written. But other times, I think what she really be doing that, and of course, we only hear part of it because we hear them talking about the planning for the EV charging station, but we don't hear what they're planning. We hear the end result of it. Yes, Fallon is 39 now. She turns 40 next year. She's being played by Joanna Van Campen, who is a bit older than that. Joanna was born in 1977 and so is in her mid to late 40s, but clearly doing is a job. And the script is written by Katie Hymns. I don't know when Katie Hymns was born, but her first big radio player, her first success was in about 1997. So if she is 20 then, then she's going to be about the same age as Joanna Van Campen. So again, in her mid to late 40s, if that was right, if she's a bit older, when she did that first play, then she'll be a bit older now, obviously. So I think it is really good writing. And I disagree with you, Valence, exactly. I thought that the dialogue was really good. I think this isn't for the first time in ages. We've had discussion of sex on the artists, which hasn't caused massive cringing, though I think that we will have a call later on for somebody who disagrees. I was just saying that for that reason, because we have another call about it. Yes. So we'll pick that up later. But I thought that the dialogue this week, I thought Thursday's episode was brilliant. And again, several people have called in to say how much they enjoyed Thursday. I did. So yeah, like many people, yeah, thoroughly enjoyed it. I've thoroughly enjoyed the whole week, actually, at the beginning of the week, I thought, Oh gosh, it's the fate and countering arm. But then actually, even that came good because Lillian was very, very Lillian-ish about Justin and his outfit. And then she was very, very defensive at Valence. And then they got a little bit of a throwback on Justin. And she managed to get in a bit of a dig with him. Even that wasn't as mundane as I thought it was going to be. It's been good writing a week. But thank you, Elizabeth, for calling in again. And yes, some of the characters are very endearing at the moment, or very engaging rather than endearing perhaps. Yeah. And Fallon is one of them that is a good storyline going on. And she is one of these fairly real characters, because she's not right at the heart of a lot of the action. She has to be that bit more real, because she has got less of a fixed role to play the way that say Justin or Lillian or David has. And she's a bit like Roy, not quite to the extent that Roy was. But one of these characters who is necessary to hold the whole thing together without necessarily having all her own storylines, though this vegan place at the charging station will, I think, put her front and center for a while in due course. I thought she referred Justin decides that he's gonna go into competition with that idea. But he owns the EV station, or he's a shareholder in it. So I think yes. Yeah. But I'm still suspicious of her having shared with him. I'm just suspicious of Justin, aren't I? Yeah. And with good reason. Should we move on to our next call, which is from Ros? Hi. It's Ros from South Wales. Hi, Stephen and Jacqueline, I guess you'll be back. I've just listened to last night's episode early in the morning, and boy, does the storyline at the moment wake you up, switch on? And aren't they moving it along? I've forgotten all about poor Jack and the heart attack when the village shop was held up. It was brilliant way of bringing it all back, wasn't it? And telling everybody what was what had been going on, and why everybody really does dislike Clive, it's so much. And the interspersing that with, oh, that lovely episode with the Fallon and Harris and getting back together again properly. Although I must admit, I did keep one we wish they were going to be interrupted by a phone call from Joy or Kate saying, come quick. Anyway, that's really all I wanted to say that I really do think the storylines are coming along brilliantly. Well, for my point of view, I know that some people disagree. Anyway, thank you. Everybody, a dumpty-dum, and that's my lot for this week. Thank you for that call, Rose. And it's really good to hear somebody say that the current storylines are making them want to turn on the radio rather than the more traditional thing that we get sometimes. I think more in the Facebook group than we get actually in calls, people saying that whatever storyline makes them want to turn the radio off and not listen for a while. So I think that's really good. I've thought that the way they handled Clive and the shop was really good. It was a good way to reintroduce to a lot of people who hadn't been listening back in the 90s. What the backstory with Clive is, or one aspect of the backstory of Clive, because of course, there was the original shop robbery. And then he came back and was attacked horses at the stables, which he turned out he was trying to get revenge on George Bathard by attacking the horses, which he believed were being looked after by Chris Bathard, Auntie Chris, and turned out to be wrong. So he was attacking for all wrong reasons, because Shudo by then was looking after the stables. And then he came back a third time and completed his revenge against George by burning down the police house. So we're getting a bit of that backstory fed to us, and it might well be the case that we will learn a bit more about those other visits. People have suggested on a Facebook group that maybe George will realise that Clive had attacked horses. And because he's so given Bartleby, that will change his view of Clive. I'm not totally convinced about that. I don't think that George really likes horses as horses. I think he just likes Bartleby as a means to social media influence wealth and riches. But that's just me being cynical. Yes, exactly. You just don't like anything. It does to you, George. George can never be a good boy in your eyes, Stephen. Yeah, I agree. I mean, as I said earlier, completely enjoying the stories as they progress. And I get a bit impatient by the idea that people are saying, Oh, for goodness sake, this is going on too long. But that's time immemorial. Phone calls to feedback in the 80s, couldn't cope with some of the storylines there, neither. And we'll just go on. We can't please all of the people all of the time now. But thank you very much for your call, Roz. I think we're moving on now to Carolyn. Hello, this is Carolyn from Ottawa. Second time calling in to the show. I just finished listening to Thursday's episode. And oh my gosh, it makes me feel like that was one of the most satisfying episodes in a while during or since rather this whole situation with George and Alice. One, I thought it was quite interesting because I was thinking the other day listening to a previous episode when Clive said I'm sick of apologizing. And I thought, well, I don't think I've heard you say sorry once. And I'm all for giving somebody who's made a big mistake giving an opportunity for them to prove themselves that they have changed. But he really hasn't said sorry yet. But he did say sorry one time in Thursday's episode, but it was still a very unsatisfying apology. But what I loved was Kate and Joy. Oh my gosh, what a satisfying scene to listen to, to hear these two women really tell this guy off. And when Kate had that moment where she realized, and she said, I know I didn't sound scared. And I just loved that it was such an empowering scene. And I really, really enjoyed it. And then Harrison and Fallon, I know that folks in the Facebook group have some comments to say about how we're all be scaring them have sex. But I don't really care. I think it's awesome. And I love them. And when they had a challenging time, I found it really, really just heartening. So it's really lovely to see them coming back together. I know that we never heard a conversation happen between the two of them. But I felt like this was kind of it. So I just wanted to send over some positive feedback that I really love this episode. They are such a lovely call, Carolyn. Thank you for calling in again. I love your enthusiasm. I think it just kind of sums up how so many people felt after Thursday night's episode. It was such a brilliant episode. And I know you love Kate, don't you Stephen? So you must have been have stars in your eyes on Thursday. Kate was, she wasn't full on Kate. No, she was, she was a great, great, great girl. She was just like a normal human being. Yes. And reacting. And that whole way that she responded and then joy coming in. And she'd obviously never met Clive before, but she had heard stories about it. And so she knew what once she realized who he was and how he tied in. She was right on the right side of things and saying that Clive just had the leaves and Clive was being himself. But yeah, it was great. And it was a, as I said in response to Rosie's call, it was a way of retelling the past. But in a very natural way, because you had the right person in the shape of joy to be explained to by Kate, who was there at the time, much younger. And in fact, Kate at the time, I think was probably played by Susie Roodell, who is now Tracy. Ironically. But in fact, I think the first time I listened to that, I was walking out walking in the field. And I thought, it feels like this is going to be a scenario where Kate's going to come in. And will she be cowed by Clive being there? But no, as soon as she said, Oh, yes, you know me, I'm the bitch. Wow. Wow. What a great reaction. Yeah, an excellent, excellent episode that especially in the whole weeks being, as we've said, it's been very good, very enjoyable, move things on or stop things. But the language that was used in Thursday's episode and joy is absolute backing up of Kate and getting rid of Clive as soon as possible. And his anger, which was then followed up by his anger on Friday, we know this is building up to an angry Clive and you've already listed the things that he's done in the village when he's an angry Clive. There we go. Yeah. So I think once he gets angry, he will reveal to George just what a poor role model he is and that he hasn't changed. And I think that George will come out of that very chastened. Yeah, yeah, I hope so. Something's got to get to him in the end. So there's the first few calls and there are a couple more to come and an email. Now, if you'd like to join in by calling us yourself or dropping us a line by message or email, Stephen is here to tell you how. And all the details are also in the show notes. The first option is to record a message or a clock prediction by going to www.speakpipe.com/dumptydum. Now, I'm afraid we still haven't resolved the issues that we're having with Speakpipe. I'm hoping in the next few days to get onto that. 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I just wanted to ask whether anyone can tell me why Chloe Horribin held up the post office all those years ago. Did he need money for something specific? Do we also think that he's really missing his daughter now? Or is that just his cobbler's pose? Bye. Thank you, vet call, Owen. Welcome to Dumtitam. It's your first call in and we're delighted to hear from you. So back in the 1990s, Clive was a Horribin and back in the 1990s. Horribins were a bad lot. The recent idea that Tracy has a heart of gold and all that sort of stuff, it just didn't apply back then. She was a bad lot. The whole family were considered to be a bad lot. But the single syllable, Horribins, Keith, and Clive were worse than the two of their brothers, Gary, and Stuart. So I don't think there was ever a single reason why Clive held the post office up. It was part of a general spiral from petty crime into more serious crime. He was in with a bit of a gang there and he ended up shopping at least one personally, getaway driver to the authorities when he was caught, probably in an attempt to get a reduced sentence. So he was just a bad lot and there wasn't a single specific reason for him robbing the shop. Look, it was really explained. It was just, I guess, he was in with a gang. They wanted to rob the post office because they thought it would have loads of money and he was the one who knew where the post office was and ended up fronting the operation. Good question about whether he misses his daughter. If Clive's daughter is Kylie, who is Johnny's half-sister. Yeah, that's the one. And I guess she is, she must be, what, in her 20s? She had married a few years ago. There was a wedding and I was at one of Gary's children. I think Kylie might have got married, yeah. Yeah, I seem to think there was a family wedding that there was some meeting of Harbins. Is there when Johnny and Pat first met? Might will be. Hmm, we'll have to look into that one. But yeah, it'd be interesting to see if he's just, I love that expression. I don't know what it is now. What did you say at the end? Don't you always say it at the end of a call? Is he really miss, is he really miss his daughter or is that? Probably his cobbler's pose. A cobbler's pose, yeah. I love that expression. I didn't, I've never heard it before, but he says exactly what it is. Yeah, he might just be an excuse, but you see the fact that Neil caught him, what, looking in, jazz and trace his bedroom and the whole seeking around. They have quite right to make sure there's somebody at the house when he's sitting with Bert, because Bert's a bit of an innocent. He's been on his holidays as an older Gary's, so that must have been a very salubrious affair. And then he's back with Clive's. Yeah, Gary's the one in Great Yarmouth. Isn't that real cool? I've got a Guendium call. Isn't that the, no, the sister of Clary. See, she ain't great at all. She's in Norfolk. Norfolk? Great Yarmouth in Norfolk? I thought it was in Suffolk. No, it's Norfolk, Stephen. Blimey, I know something more than Stephen. That's the unusual thing. Maybe he's in lowest off. Anyway, he definitely left to go to that side of the country. I think that's where all the buttons go, really, isn't it? Sorry, anybody is living in Norfolk. It's a good place to hide, though. I think we should probably move on. So do I. Who have we got next? We've got somebody who hasn't enjoyed the dialogue. Yes, we have Catherine. So, listening to Thursday night's arches, I was just wincing. I was coming back from London with my friend Kate. I gave one of my airports. I said, let's listen. So, honestly, over the train station, every time the word sex was mentioned, we win. Well, it's the story with Fallon and Harrison. We know that that awful thing with the miscarriage, terrible. They almost split up. Obviously, Harrison felt that was more risky than a Fallon did because she got quite sure to the idea that he thought perhaps they wouldn't make it, like retirement, death, whatever. And then that's really strange episode was really ladling it on about how healthy their relationship was. The only good thing about that episode was that actually, normal artists, people are going on normal holidays. They're booking, going to Spain, Greece, wherever. But where's that going to place her with the EV station and whole career thing? I just get the feeling that we are being given the basis of a Fallon and Harrison storyline and have no idea where it's going. Thank you for that, Catherine. If you imagine you and Kate on a train wincing as you hear the word sex and that conversation going on, but I'm going to pick up on the holiday points that you made. Yeah, people in Hamburg don't go on holiday away to places. They go to stay with other people and they might go on, I don't know, a course or something. But neither often hear of somebody going off on a holiday to flying to a hot place to have lots of sex. That's the first time we've heard that for a long time. Helen took the boys to Paris. She did, but that was all very, I must have cost an absolute fortune. That was all very, I can't think of what the English word is, misty. Hazy. What would you say? Hazy, that's it. So that was all very hazy. We didn't, we knew that she took them to CPSG, but she was going to be off work for a month. It was at the time they were making the cheese eggs. Yes. And Adam was left in charge. So that, we never did hear about what happened to the cheese eggs. Did we? Maybe they were lost in the mists of time as well. Joy was talking about going on holiday to Corfu. Was that with Helen as well? Or was that with Helen and Kirsty? Helen and Kirsty maybe? Yeah, they were talking about it. Yeah, maybe they're modernising ideas in the archers and the idea that we can go abroad for your holidays as well, rather than to a twin town in France. So yeah, but Catherine, the language, I can see that, I think it might be an aged thing because Ross really enjoyed it. And I think Ross is my age or older. And maybe we're just a bit more, are you liked in your way? Are you old like me as well, aren't you? I think the fact that sex was mentioned and it's not often mentioned was a good thing. Yeah. But as I said earlier, I thought that it was mentioned a way that didn't make me cringe unlike previous cases where sex has been a bit of a topic. Did wonder for a brief moment whether it was going to lead up to some disaster in that relationship and that it was foreshadowing something bad happening. Don't want to believe that. And I don't believe that at the moment. But you never know, it might be that Catherine will be pleased to discover that all the talk of sex just led to some great catastrophe further down the line and then she can feel happy about that. And so I think we move on to our last call and that's from Tracy in California, I think. Tracy from California here. So I need to say that Thursday's episode of The Archers was my favorite one in a very, very long time. First of all, we clived in the store and when he was like, I do yoga. I knew that was going to make Kate explode. I was like, I was waiting for somebody to just haul off and bopping with a box of weta bicks. And then he cheese joy off. And I was like, Oh, snap, they released the cranking. Joy was pierced. I've never heard her like that. And she was like, this is very nice. So cute. I love her. And then oh my god, Fallah was all hot and bothered because Harrison hasn't been buttering her scone. And that whole discussion where she was like, let's find a place where we can go and have sex all the time. A whole bunch of sex. I was like, you mean like at home? And then how are they the question came that came up for me was like, how are they playing the vacation? Didn't he go down to part time? And she works at the tell room. Where are they going? They maybe they'll ask Brexit or what's his name? If they can borrow his boat. Anyway, yeah, I'm really enjoying it. And I know everybody's sick of the aller story line, but it is what it is. So they have a good day. Thank you for that. Fantastic called Tracy. Yes, I'm not sure that a holiday on Serendipity. Rex's boat would be much of a holiday, particularly if you actually live in Ambridge only about 100 meters away from the boat in the first place. So yes, we've said quite a bit about Thursday's episode. And I'm glad that you really enjoyed it. I thought that yes, the scenes in the shot and Joy's reaction, it was excellent stuff. And it just was, I think, I agree, one of the best single episodes we've had for quite a while and did so many things so well. Yeah, absolutely. Brilliant take on the call, Tracy. You should definitely have your own section in the show because you're sounding more British than California as you go along. You even got saying scones properly. Moving on from that, those are the calls. Thank you so much for all the calls that we received this week. We always say this show is about what you the listeners think. So please do tell us how the week was for you in Ambridge and call in next week. Now, I think we might have had one email. Yes, we had it and it was from Gillian with the subject line honesty. And it goes like this. I know that some people are fed up with the George storyline, but I'm still very interested. This week's lack of honesty by some characters is troubling me. Emma and Will didn't tell George what Clive said. George didn't tell Emma Tracy or Susan what Clive said about Tracy and Susan. It's up to Joy and Kate to set an example and tell the village what Clive said to them. I hope that they alert the village and get support to send Clive packing. But I'm also scared about what he will do when cornered. Gillian, you've done a brilliant summing up there. Yeah, I haven't quite understood why Emma didn't. Emma and Will haven't told George that Clive was threatened to blackmail. It was blackmailing them basically by threatening to expose George. And George hasn't been transparent with anybody, but we come to expect that of him. Joy and Kate, as we have already said, set a brilliant example. And I think they should talk about it. They're already talking about it. Alice knew about it already when Kate had lunch with her. Neil obviously cornered Kate on the way to have lunch with Alice to apologise for the whole family on behalf of the whole family. But yes, I think it's the red tea. But what is Clive building up to? That's the big question at the end of this week. It is. I was trying to remember who else was in the shop when Clive raided the post office. There was Jack Woolley, we know. Yeah. There was Kate and there was Debbie Aldridge. Debbie, yeah. And I think that the person keeping the shop at that point was Betty Tucker. Yeah, I thought it was Betty. I didn't remember that she was around because I didn't remember pleading for help for Jack before Clive pulls the phone off the wall. Yes, which means that of all of those, Kate is the only one actually still in the village. Yeah. Betty sadly died, Jack died and Debbie is in Hungary, of course. So in terms of actual memory of what happened, I think that now the fact that Clive is in the village will get out. But it will be again, most of his victims have either died or have left. So there's no George Chris is in the laurels and both Chris and Jill were in the police house when Clive set fire to it. So they will be pretty horrified. But Schuller, who owned the stables when the horses were slashed, she's no longer around either. So it'll be interesting to see how Clive's past resonates with people, most of whom have only heard about it second hand, a part of course from Susan who went to jail for him and Tracy and Bert who hasn't spoken audibly through a very long time. Because we haven't heard anyone Chris, because Chris we know was affected quite badly when Susan was in prison, though it was already a conversation around that concerning Martha and needing her mother. So this Chris will be involved because we've lost Jenny who had two daughters and her father-in-law at the time involved in that incident. So it was very shaken by the whole thing and in fact was very anti-horabens including Susan for a very long time afterwards. So as a result of the shock of her children, her family being involved and because she's no longer there either. So I think you're right, it'll be quite all assuming pitch walks at dawn to drive him out of the village. But the number of people who've got immediate knowledge of him at that time and those events, very few and far between nowadays. I was trying to work out father-in-law just then of course it's stepfather but in French the two words are the same I mean. Do you know that's twice this week I've made a mistake with father-in-law yeah and oh sorry my English is slipping in almost like must practice speaking this all day today. Now as we've mentioned a few times, patreon backers have done to them now get an ad preversion of the podcast and after positive feedback from our patrons we are now aiming to make the patreon version available from around 6pm on Saturday. This is not however a guarantee. 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It's with the Spoon and Angus haggis here on Friday morning with this week's social media roundup minus responses to leader today's episode. The six days began with Clive settling into the village and Dumte-Dummers letting out a collective groan of story fatigue. Chris Gibson insightfully remarked, "If this storyline was stretched any further, it would be tappy." Many voiced displeasure with Clive from the get-go, including Jonah Tischmarsh, Susan Dillemaire, Annabelle Von Hall, Lillian McCarthy, Elizabeth Llewellyn, the list goes on and on. Lillian shared an audio clip of Clive robbing the village shop in 1993. I wondered whether Clive's behavior would paradoxically lead George down on the path of redemption while Leslie Greaves wondered whether Clive would manipulate George into committing a crime and Sarah Seager asked whether Clive's presence would lead to Bert's demise. Then Thursday came and the great scene between Clive Joy and Kate. Helen Blackburn explained, "Go Joy" and explained that she was absolutely right to chuck him out, adding that hopefully everyone will act the same way toward him and he'll get fed up and go away. Many others cheered Joy and Kate on. "Wow, I'm actually beginning to like Kate." Ray Milner put Justin on this week's slap list. "Well, isn't he on it every week?" For the way he favors Carlotta and wondered whether Carlotta would remain silent or in the amperage for long. Our Stephen Bowden pointed out that silence does not equal character brevity and amperage, just to ask Derek Fletcher. But of course, he won't reply. Meanwhile, is there anything to this light-hearted conversation between Alistair and Laura? Genetish Marsh thought Alistair protested too much when Harrison tried to stir the pot. I thought Harrison was acting immaturely and wondered why two people just can't have a conversation without others speculating. Bonnie McLean has Alistair and Laura walking down the aisle while Denise gets back with John, while Darcy Jugensen and Sally Owen believe Alistair will stick with Denise. Many others wait in on the possible love triangle. Then there's Fallon and Harrison. Susan de La Mer succinctly summed up everyone's thoughts when she gave him a practical piece of advice. Sometimes it's better to not be totally honest, Harrison. Meanwhile, Joanne Smith suggested that Fallon join our Dumpty Dum Facebook group to get relationship advice. That's good advice to all Dumpty Dummers. Everyone should join our Facebook group. We're now over 2,800 members strong. Talk to you soon. Thank you with a spoon and thank you so much to everyone on the Dumpty Dum Facebook group. If you'd like to join them, please do. But don't forget to answer all the membership questions so that we know you're a real person. And if anybody out there would like to write as a review, please do. 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