Amala Ekpunobi
So I Debated Natural Beauty on Jubilee…
I recently appeared on an episode of Jubilee Middle Ground to debate the topic of natural beauty vs. plastic surgery, representing the natural beauty side. Did we find middle ground? Where do you stand? Let’s talk about it.
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- Duration:
- 2h 0m
- Broadcast on:
- 03 Sep 2024
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(upbeat music) - Hi everybody and happy Monday. Welcome to the show. I'm your host, Armleva Nobi, and it's been a minute. See y'all, it's been like a week since we sat down and did a live show together. You guys know why, if you've been watching the show, if you don't know why, my grandmother's been in the hospital. Thank you guys so much for your kind words. She's been through a rollercoaster in the past two weeks. She's still on the rollercoaster, but hopefully we're coming towards the end soon where my girl gets to go home. So I've been dealing with that, I've been in Florida. I'm here at least for a few days now to put the work in his labor day, but we're gonna put the work in today, okay? And you guys missed, or I missed at least, the fact that I was on Jubilee, middle ground debating plastic surgery versus natural beauty, which is not a subject matter that I delve into too much on this show. We've talked about it a few times, we have a couple videos about this subject where I'm sort of talking about the incline we're on as far as interventions when it comes to beauty and cosmetics, and Jubilee decided to invite me on to debate on the natural beauty end of this against people who were pro-plastic surgery, which is gonna be interesting. So I'm gonna watch it today, react to it with you guys, and I'll tell you some, a bit of the behind the scenes and information, maybe things that got cut, this, that, and the other. Today, we are going to get straight into it. Taylor's not here today, by the way, guys. Sorry, we would play our normal applause, but Taylor's not here, so unfortunately, we can't have that. He'll be back, hopefully, on Wednesday this week, assuming all goes well, and I don't have to fly back to Florida, but again, without further ado, let's get into today's Jubilee video and watch. - I know a girl who got a chin implant changed her whole face, like, crazy. - And no matter how much cosmetic surgery you receive, you're thinking of little things you can change about your body constantly. Why does somebody else changing their face? - Father, somebody who's happy with themselves. - Oh, so. (upbeat music) Okay, hey. (upbeat music) - By the way, these are so awkward to film, 'cause you're in a silent, like, sort of like, sound stage area, and you are a boat, you're all miked up and everything, and they just have you strut down to the middle of the room, you have to, like, stare dead into the camera and smile or do whatever it is you're gonna do, and then walk off. And when I tell you that, it's not my thing. It's not my thing, but we did it. We muscled through. (upbeat music) - I'm Katakahashi, and I'll be moderating this episode of Cosmetic Surgery versus Natural Beauty. - The man, the myth, the legend, Katakahashi. I've been on many a Jubilee video, but I've never met Kat, so we got that out of the way. He was super nice. The first prompt is cosmetic surgeries should be as normalized as makeup. Can the agree or step forward? - I kind of see a lot of cosmetic surgery as kind of, like, high maintenance to be low maintenance type of thing, so girls who are overlining their lips every day, like, just got some lip filler and, like, you know, the Botox or anything. I mean, it kind of starts with makeup, like, the girls who are putting on the makeup every day before school, when they get a little more money in their pockets and they get a little older and they get a little freedom. Yeah, those are probably the girls that are a little more inclined to want to get, you know, stuff done. It's a little more severe to go under the knife than to wear makeup, but I mean, it's something that happens every day, you know, it's LA. And I just don't think people talk about it because it's so taboo. - Originally, the prompt sets surgery, and I don't think surgery should be normalized, but then you start talking about, like, Botox lasers. I'm skincare products, friends, and acquaintances that I know who also are aging gracefully. Somebody gave them the secret when they were in their 20s. Our collagen starts going to shit at 25. So if you're not doing things that boost the collagen in your skin at the age of 25, you're gonna be playing catch up at some point. - Okay, pause, let's talk about it. First of all, I know the plastic surgeon in this video, and some of you guys were commenting on Jubilee, like, is there something going on between the plastic surgeon and all of it because they keep, like, looking at each other or when I'm talking, she's looking at me or whatever. In, I guess, not a strange way, but in a familiar type of way. I know Sheila, and I met her back in the day through working at PragerU. I won't say any more details than that 'cause that's really all you need to know. But yeah, super nice lady. Of course, we disagree on our stances for this topic, but when I'm talking about this, specifically with cosmetic surgeries and being as normalized in makeup, I'm, I don't know. Obviously, I don't think it should be normalized for you to go in and change your body, and it's becoming more normalized as we move through society, and I see things become more accessible, and I say that as somebody who's wearing makeup, which by the way, Jubilee, I'm gonna have a bone to pick with you if you cut out my comments (laughs) because I read another comment that was like, "How can I will be on the natural beauty side?" And she's wearing makeup, and in this video, I hope they keep the clip in. I say, I say this as somebody who's wearing makeup right now, and I can admit that the large part of the reason that I wear makeup is because my own personal insecurities about the way that I look, wanting to be more symmetrical, wanting to have a better looking face than the one that you wake up to every day in the mirror, although makeup is a little less invasive than cosmetic surgery, the basic principle is the same. You're trying to alter your face in order to present something that is different to who you are without anything touching your face and without anything cosmetic going on. So do I think cosmetic surgery should be as normalised as makeup? No, I don't think makeup should be as normalised as makeup is, and I say that as somebody who wears it. - If there's something that you could have done, like regular exercise or stretching every day to help you age better, why not do that for your appearance? If it's simple, safe, and you're doing it with, you know, a trusted physician. - But surgeries, you would say, that should not be normalised. - I don't think it should be normalised, but I'll give you an example. This is gonna sound crazy, but go with me. So I had a girl brought in by her mom for a labia plastic, and I was ready to walk in the room and be like, are you freaking crazy? Like, what are you thinking, bringing in your daughter for a labia plastic? And I walked in and this girl had a normal labia on one side, and on the other side, she had a labia as long as my finger hanging out, when she was at the YMC, it would fall out of her bathing suit. She was getting teased by her friends, and she said, "Mom, I do not want to go in high school "with this thing hanging out of my vagina." I did it a week, took me 15 minutes to give her a normal anatomic labia that matched her other side. So should we normalise access to feel your best? Absolutely. - Okay, now here's an issue that we're gonna run into. In some of the examples that are used throughout this debate, that is a very extreme example of a cosmetic procedure, and it is in no way indicative of what is happening with cosmetic surgeries, how abundant they're becoming, and for reasons far less reasonable than what was just described of a young girl receiving a labial plastic. And it's different if you have bodily anatomy that is... In pairing functioning, like in pairing your functional life, meaning that if you're wearing a bathing suit and your private area is being exposed to people who are not supposed to be seeing that, it's uncomfortable, it's creating functional problems with you as you are trying to live a normal life. That's a wholly reasonable example of going out and getting cosmetic surgery in order to fix an affliction that you're dealing with. But that's not the same as somebody saying, I feel like I want a bigger ass and I want to look like Meg the Stallion, so I'm gonna go get three BBLs and risk of pulmonary embolism, or I want H breasts, and I'm gonna go get these huge implants placed in my body. It becomes a scenario where it's no longer about functioning, it's no longer about leading a healthy life, it's actually doing unhealthy things for the body as a means of looking more attractive or trying to sort of satiate your own insecurities. And we can talk about where those insecurities come from and why society sort of lends itself to that idea, but it's way different than a young girl getting a labiaplasty because it is causing functional problems for her and putting herself in very uncomfortable positions where her privates are being shown to people who should not ever be seeing that. - Bring the disagrees in. - I think plastic surgery shouldn't be demonized, but it also shouldn't be normalized totally completely either. In that way, stealth can also be quite dangerous for people because people are dishonest about the work they get done and they give this unrealistic beauty standard. I didn't know a lot of girls had BBLs when they were selling workout plans, they said. - Oh, totally, BBLs. - Yeah, Brazilian butt lift. - She is so sweet, by the way. I met her before we ended up filming and she was just the sweetest soul and I think people caught on to that and watching this as well. Which is what I have two of. - Okay. - I don't think plastic surgery is wrong. The little girl you're talking about, like we can all imagine what that would be like having some kind of abnormality in your body or if you have a cleft lip or something that makes you feel so othered, I can understand that. My issue with the idea of normalizing surgery, you have young girls. When you're 18, you get to decide if you're willing to take on the risk. 18-year-olds don't really know anything. I don't want a society that tells young women, especially you need to change these things about yourself surgically. - So I think it's very important that we make a. - Distinction? - Yes, there we go, it got it, it was there. Between makeup and surgery, 'cause that was a problem, right? I even faced troubles when I was doing certain surgeries, right, and I had to do redo things and I think once you go down that slope and then route, it goes into like a tunnel, you know what I'm saying? Makeup, it's something that's so easy to, we can take it off, we can put it on. So that's the only reason why I disagree. I don't think it should be as normalized as makeup because it's just two totally different ball games. - I completely agree with you. And to a certain extent, I would say, looking at like the. - I hate hearing myself, oh my goodness. - Makeup industry, makeup in a lot of ways is a little bit too normalized, so I don't think I would wanna take that a step further. And if we're normalizing makeup, which in a lot of ways there are women and men who can throw on makeup and it changes the entire shape of their face and you take it off and it's a completely different person underneath. Surgery does that in a more permanent, invasive way. The goal is to move away from alteration of the self, of the person and move towards, you know, acceptance. So alteration of self. - So I feel like that was the point. I can't remember 'cause this was obviously filmed a very, very long time ago, but I think that was the point where I said and I say that as somebody who's wearing makeup right now and I know why I wear makeup. And hopefully it shows up later in this video, but if I said that and you cut that out jubilee and left me, so hang on that subject, I'm coming for you, I'm coming for you. - Self and permanency are two things that you brought up. Would you apply the same to tattoos and piercings? - Yes, and I say that as a person who has tattoos and in a lot of ways I look down and I think about myself and I go, why did I feel the need to change this, you know, person that I was. - That's your expression though, what you wanted to visualize. - Yeah, I think it was a convinced self expression and we talk about aging and the phrase age gracefully was used. When I think about aging gracefully, I think about somebody who is looking at the wrinkles on their face and going, oh, that was a laugh that I had back when I was, you know, 23. This mark that I have on my stomach is from my child who's now in his 30s. Why don't we view that as aging gracefully? Why is there no grace in accepting the wrinkles? - One wrinkle or seeing a little mark on your belly is not what these women are coming in for. I've had patients who are so blown out in their abdomen that you can see their intestines moving under their skin after they've had four children. - Sure, okay, so here we go again with functional examples that are no longer making your quality of life, you know, up to a certain standard and a standard that I would hope, you know, we can uphold through medicine and even through cosmetic surgery if needed. When I said of what we call aging gracefully, I mean people with wrinkles all over their face. I'm talking about the oldest of old, the youngest of young in the way that we transitioned from that period to the next. Why do we say aging gracefully about women who age without wrinkles? I know there's this photo of Angelina Jolie recent, at some recent events that's going around and they're talking about how beautifully she's aged, like fine wine, all these different things. And of course, it's a slew of cosmetic procedures that get you to that end result where you are older, but you still look like your younger self and we view that as aging gracefully instead of looking at women who age naturally that comes with all the wrinkles and the sagging and the loose skin and all these different things. And we somehow don't call that aging gracefully. So in order to age gracefully, you have to submit yourself to cosmetic procedures and you have to sort of run from the natural reality that is what happens to your skin as your skin lives on this earth. To me, it doesn't make sense to reward that all that much because it builds in this idea that both women and men, more so women than men, we know that for a fact, have to run away from the natural processes that their body is going through. And that's why we see young girls in their 20s who are now showing up to clinics and injecting their faces with Botox and filler, some of them calling it preventative Botox. So I think we need to change the way we talk about things, especially like aging gracefully. I mean, hopefully we all age gracefully and we get the privilege to be able to live to an age where our skin is loosening and wrinkling and all these things and we shouldn't feel such an anxiety towards what is the reward of living on the earth long enough to have wrinkles in your skin. Now she uses the example of a blown out abdomen due to pregnancy, that's a whole different example. And again, we've leaned on two very extreme examples, the labioplasty and the blown out abdomen due to pregnancy. And I can guarantee that it's not the majority of patients who are going out and seeking cosmetic surgery. - So is that okay now? Or maybe there's like this one definitive spot where like this is okay, but this is not, you know, in the non-plastic surgery. Who determines that? - You don't want to demonize the plastic surgeon. You don't want to demonize the plastic surgery. You don't want to set arbitrary posts for when it's okay and when it's not okay or how bad it is before you do it or how bad it, it's impossible. - And I think another place where we sort of get confused in this debate is that somebody who's advocating for natural beauty or standing on the side of natural beauty is somehow trying to demonize those who get plastic surgery or is trying to tell them what they should or should not do with their bodies. It's not necessarily that. It's more of like a philosophical discussion about the alteration of the body and about whether or not it's the sign of a healthy society. In my view, a healthy society is one that allows everybody to age through and age gracefully with the loose skin and the wrinkles and the crow's feet and all these different things without putting some sort of sense of impending doom in young women in particular that as soon as they get wrinkles or as soon as they start to look as though they've aged, they've somehow lost all value as human beings. And again, it's easier said than done. - I don't know that we're ever going to reach a point in society where that is the belief set of the majority of people, but we can talk about it and give our thoughts on it without it being this idea that we're demonizing people who get plastic surgery or telling them what or what not to do. People can make up their own minds, make their own choices. - Insecurities. - Okay. - The cosmetic surgery industry exploits people's insecurities. Wow, all of me, okay. - When you have trends where all of these women are getting the exact same boop job, the exact same lip, so the exact same nose, it's almost impossible to deny that insecurities are being put onto people. - Imagine that the plastic surgery/cosmetic surgery realm would naturally not exist if it weren't for insecurity and if we could somehow alleviate that pressure that women in particular feel quite often, then it would be an industry that would be going out of business. - I disagree with that. I mean, I'm a plastic surgeon and I think that the answer is yes and no. Similarly to maybe fashion also, is that also, push-up bras, is that also a terrible thing? The analogy that I always give is, if you're gonna go buy a couch, you can go buy a paisley couch, you can do that. That might be the-- - Push-up bras are, it's strange. It is a strange thing that we do. It is a strange thing to take, look at your body, look at something that you do not have and say, how can I put on something fake to make it look like I do have those things? It's the same with makeup, it's the same with really any alteration that we're making. It is a strange thing to do if we really boil it down and think about it long enough, in my opinion. But just because something is normalized or it's becoming destigmatized doesn't mean that there's not something a little strange about the fact that that's where we're at right now as far as changing the body. - The trend. - Or you can buy a neutral couch and change your pillows. So I'm the type of plastic surgeon that always promotes a neutral couch and you can change your clothes as trends come and go, but you wanna keep your body healthy, natural looking, a very neutral canvas. And then you can play with it. You can have fun with it. - And we must acknowledge that push-up bras and makeup are things that come off the body at some point. And these cosmetic surgeries are permanent. Some of them are reversible, but permanent alterations. - As far as insecurities go, if a woman has four children and her stomach's completely blown out, her breasts are hanging down in here, it can't even show your ways. She feels so insecure that she hasn't slept with her husband in two years. Should we just tell her to learn to love her body? Or should we do a four hour procedure in a healthy woman who's a mother who wants to feel like, "Hey, I wanna be in a bikini again. "I wanna have intimate relations with my husband again "and not be thinking, oh, is he touching flab here? "Oh, does my breasts not look normal?" - Do you feel like that? - I'm gonna keep pausing this a million times 'cause I have so many times, but you know. - There is a practicality to cosmetic surgery and cosmetic procedures. There's no doubt about it. Life is a lot better in a lot of ways for people who are more attractive. Everybody deals with insecurities and some of us make the judgment that to wipe away those insecurities through cosmetic surgery is better for us than to deal with our insecurities and to tackle our insecurities head on. I just think, you know, we can acknowledge the practicality of these things. We can acknowledge that it's not fun to be unattractive and it's not fun to feel unattractive. It is not fun to feel insecure. I just wanna know which journey puts you in a better position. The journey where instead of facing your insecurity, you just go under the knife and get rid of it and move on about your day and instill this idea that you must change yourself in order to make yourself feel happy and content in the body that you have or should we go through the journey on a real difficult one of tackling our insecurities, looking at them head on and saying, "You know what? "I'm not going to let this completely overtake me. "I'm not going to let this change my behavior. "I'm not going to let this change "the way that I love my husband." I would go for option B and a lot of people go for option A. And if you go for option A, I totally understand why you do that. It's a faster track to get the result that you want. I just don't know that it's as a rewarding track as tackling insecurities. - That is the most common belief amongst plastic surgeons or do you feel like you're more of a minority of thought in that? - You know, I think when I first started out, I was more of a minority of thought. This is my 11th year in practice and I've always been into natural results. I haven't moved my forehead in 16 years. I have 15 syringes of filler in my face, but you would never know. Big tip, if you're a surgeon, looks like an alien, you're about to look like one too. 'Cause that's the aesthetic, right? I do. - And I don't know. To me, you do know. You do know that these things are going on and what's really interesting, and I think about this a lot, 'cause sometimes you'll watch movies and period dramas and things like this, and I see a lot of discourse about this, where we're watching period dramas that are like set in the Victorian era or like the colonial ages and you're looking at women with filler in their lips, trying to pretend like they're from this era. You're seeing that their eyebrows do not move. There's no creases in their forehead. When they smile, it's like their lips are pulled so taught that they might pop. And we're doing this in an idea that we're preserving our beauty or we're making our beauty last longer, but it actually takes away your face's ability to express. It's removing beauty, it's removing animation, it's removing emotion from your face. And I can't think that that is a good trade-off, even though in society, you may be benefited for making these choices. I can't help a thing, but that in this pursuit of preserving beauty, you're actually erasing it. I'd love to see what your face looks like when it's fully expressive, but you can't move your forehead anymore. And like girls are getting lip flips now and they can't drink from a straw anymore. The water that they drink is just like pouring out of their mouth. So you're making these trade-offs in the name of appealing to people that actually makes your life worse and makes your face less emotive. You feel like a more athletic look is definitely more in now. So I'm hearing a lot more surgeons being vocal about that natural aesthetic, but I do agree with you that it wasn't always that way. And it's not going to be that way for long because we go through trends in beauty, that circle and you know, that cycle encirculates throughout all of time. It's a one-point trend to be curvier. Then you want to look like you're almost like a cocaine addict a little bit, or that you smoke cigarettes every 10 minutes to make yourself look holy skinny or a certain nose is in. And then the Barbie movie comes out and people are getting Botox in their traps in order to have Barbie traps and all these different things. Like if we can acknowledge that beauty is sort of cyclical and we're moving from trend to trend to trend, that means we're going to be in a constant state of body alteration. And it's not sustainable, it's just not healthy. - I'm curious because we're seeming to be drawing a distinction between whether or not the results are natural or whether or not the results turn out to be what we would, I guess, call botched. I don't know that it changes the root insecurity that leads people to go and seek out plastic surgery. Do you feel that insecurity plays a super large role in the choice or you were doing it for yourselves? - Can I jump in there? - Yeah. Growing up, I was super insecure. I had no curves. I was always made fun of for not having any curves. So that's why I was such an exaggerated shape now. And I always tied myself worth to how I looked. And I feel like I was a victim of the plastic surgery industry in a way and beauty standards. And I have to agree on that aspect. Yeah. - Insecurity is a vague term. Everybody looks in the mirror and wants something different. You know, you can say, I want a smaller nose or I want bigger lips. And some girls are like, oh, why? Yours are fine or some girls don't like that look. Why do you work out? You obviously wouldn't be super confident. Have you not? You know, there's a reason why people are spending all this money on Pilates and so it's like all this other stuff. So I mean, it's all in security. It's how you go about it. You want to go to the natural route, working out, you want to go plastic, either or. - Some people wear makeup. - Okay. Working out on a daily basis to, you know, like feed the mind, the body, all these different things, release endorphins, just, you know, it's just, it's just beneficial. There's no way where you can twist and change that for it to not be beneficial outside of like exercising until you die or people who have like exercise anorexia and who are going crazy down that route, wholly different from receiving a cosmetic procedure that is no way, no way, a health benefit for your body. - People wear a shape wear to make themselves, you know, look flimmer or tuck in that extra roll that you might have after Thanksgiving, you know. So I think in security, you're always going to have it. My question is, what is considered natural? Because if we keep going down that route of, you know, this is considered natural, who defines what natural is, right? - I think the way that I define it is that no one would know when you walked in a room that you've had anything done at all. No stigmata of plastic surgery. That's how I think over the years. - It's like stealthy plastic surgery. - Yeah, like did she or didn't she? So I think that, you know, if you think of it as prevention, if you think of it as self-care, if you-- - Maintenance. - Maintenance, you maintain your car, you maintain your house. You also, if it's important to you, you maintain your appearance. - What do you think about it that way though, in this role of if you're thinking of something? - And they cut something that she said here. So I'll fill you in. The doctor, Dr. Nazarian, she said, you know, my rule of thumb or my like practice is with clients, if they're thinking about something, you know, more than three times a day, if an insecurity is popping into their mind more than three times a day, then we can talk about doing something about that. Whatever that choice may be, we can have a conversation about it three times a day. Do y'all think about something you're insecure about more than three times a day? Of course you do, of course you do. With the amount of times that we like see our faces on our cell phones and like our Instagram or we walk past and mirror these days or we wake up in the morning, we brush our teeth or thinking, oh my gosh, like I have, I have a pimple on my forehead or I have this scar on my chin or something like that. That's going to occur to you, you know, probably multiple times a day with how much we see ourselves. We see ourselves far more now than we, I think, were ever meant to as human beings. We shouldn't be seeing ourselves this much. But that rule is a very dangerous rule, given how, you know, common insecurities truly are and how exacerbated they are by the current state of our society and how much we're viewing ourselves in social media and this and that. It's just not the best rule in my opinion. - Something, you know, three or more times a day, maybe you should change it. There are people who deal with it. Well, you should maybe see somebody or see what you can do about creating some sort of different alleviating that. We all feel insecurities. I'm pretty sure even now, no matter how much cosmetic surgery you receive, you're thinking of little things you can change about your body constantly. And we live in a world that really emphasizes image. Social media has really proliferated that problem. If everybody was using that sort of metric as a means of change, we would constantly be changing our bodies and faces. And I think it makes us more subservient to societal standards and other people's views than we're subservient to accepting ourselves. You know, but if you truly accept yourself, then why wouldn't you just accept yourself? Like, why does somebody else changing their face, like, bother somebody who's happy with themselves? - So, I'm not bothered. - Everybody's commenting on her facial expressions. Like, she was just showing face. (laughs) No, but oh-- - By the fact that people have had plastic surgery, I, like, am very close to a lot of people who have plastic surgery, whether it's a nose job, a boob job, those tend to be the most common in my life. I don't look at the people closest to me and go, mm-mm, but you changed your nose. I don't like that and now I'm more insecure. However, when I'm in a room and I'm surrounded by, like, like, I work with a lot of influencers and I'll be the only girl who doesn't have a boob job and it's the same boob job. It's the same look and everyone has the same nose and everyone has the same lips. And then you do, you start to sit there and be like, is there something wrong with me? And I've had producers and I've had people tell me, like, oh, if your ears were pinned back, it would be a lot better. If your lips were bigger, it'd be a lot better. When you create a culture where people are constantly jumping on the beauty trend, I think that that creates insecurities that wouldn't have otherwise been there. So, I have no problem in people getting plastic surgery. I have a problem in a culture that pushes the rhetoric that if you don't get certain things or don't have certain things, that there's something wrong with you. - Exactly. - I wanna touch on that because it's about the word create. Really, I think it's take one more step back and look at why these insecurities exist in the first place. The root of that is media. TV shows and models and movies and comparing literally apples to oranges, like every single person in the entire universe is uniquely themselves. Did insecurities exist before TVs and these competitions and whatever industry existed? I kind of don't. - I think so. - Yes, but in-- - Think about how life used to be, where you would live in a community of people and when we're talking pre-social media, pre-smartphone, you live in your community, you maybe have a TV. So, you're seeing the women who live around you. You're reading the newspaper from news or listening to the radio or watching TV. You are not getting exposed to nearly, and anywhere near the amount of human faces that we are exposed to on a daily basis these days by scrolling on YouTube, watching social media, TikTok, all these different things. Of course, with the more human beings you see, the more insecurity is going to be created because you just have more to compare to. There are so many different points of contact now for seeing a face that doesn't look like yours or seeing a body that doesn't look like yours or being sold a new advertisement for another company with a certain model. That's just way more than would have ever been the case. So, you can only imagine that naturally insecurity is going to be way on the rise and with insecurity being way on the rise, there are going to be industries that are ready to exploit that insecurity that are on the rise. So, cosmetic surgery exploits people's insecurities, not always. There are functional reasons for cosmetic surgery and practical reasons and all these different things, but the industry would largely be brought down if people weren't dealing with insecurity at the rate in which we're dealing with it today. - In a very different way. I think it had to do with survival. I think it had to do with family. Yeah, I have this insecurity about my eye sagging, so I'm gonna pay however many hundreds of dollars to do that, but then it's gonna be maintenance. And then am I really hitting the root of the problem or am I avoiding what the real root is, which is this kind of need for acceptance? - It's concerning that cosmetic surgeries are normalized amongst young girls. - Yeah. I would consider myself a young girl. I'm 26, but also there's younger. - Go back in the day, if you lived in a small town, you had your newspaper and your TV, you would have been seeing like that one bad bitch that lives in town. (laughs) You'd be like, "Damn, Susie is so beautiful. "She looks like Grace Kelly, you're like, "all these different things." And that was all you would really have to deal with. Now you're seeing Kim Kardashian and Madison Beer and Sabrina Carpenter, and every single girl in your town has their own social media and everybody's watching like who has the most followers and oh my gosh, she has 600K in a BBL. And oh, she just got like a thousand likes on her photo and she got lip filler, I should get lip filler too. There are just so many different thoughts that we would have never had in the past that now have to circulate through your brain. And instead of looking at those thoughts and thinking like, okay, this should not be a problem that I'm dealing with, I need to just cast that aside, cast that aside, accept myself, accept myself, accept myself. We go, oh, maybe I should change my entire face in order to make that thought go away. And it doesn't really make the thought go away. You still have the same thought. You've just altered your physical appearance to make it so you feel better about thinking that thing, I guess. - At the end of the day, what I worry about like Botox and things that aren't really dramatic, like you can see I have plastic surgery, but the plastic surgery you can't see is what worries me the most. And I'm a little afraid of aging. - Somebody said, "Yee, old baddest made in period." (laughs) That's what it would have been. That's what it would have been. You'd be like, damn, that Lord has a fine wife. You know, she is fine. You wouldn't have to worry that much about all these different women. - I'm not gonna lie. So when I see like celebrities, they're like in their 40s or 50s, but they look 20, 30. Do I have to do all of these things and stick needles in my face to maintain my youth? And that's what scares me the most. - So what if you can share what surgeries or what procedures did you go through yourself? - Yeah, I had two BBLs and two breast augmentations. And those are kind of like more dramatic ones. So you can like see that I did it. And I also am very open about it. I think it's very harmful if you try to hide it. - For me, I'm not a big drinker. I don't smoke. I don't do drugs. I regularly exercise. My elders who have aged well without plastic surgery, that was the lifestyle they lived. I've met so many young girls who have zero care about the toxic lifestyle they're living. Because if I don't age well, I'll just like get it fixed. - It does target young girls to not care about consequences because instant gratification. And I'm not saying that's what plastic surgery always is. But I do think that when we already have this culture of instant gratification, it's only amplified by telling them that you can just get whatever fixed later. - For example, in Halloween, there's this little girl, she has to be a toddler, maybe four or five years old. And she has a little pole for the IV and she has like a fake gauze and everything. And she's showing that she got a BBL. When I see a little girl who's mimicking someone getting a BBL, I'm like, okay, well, she's five. But what are you doing, mimicking a BBL? - She doesn't even know what her body's gonna look like yet. That's really scary. I do. - And even, guess what, you know, the girls in their 20s who are getting this stuff done, don't know what your body's gonna look like either. Your body goes through phases as you age and grow. And a lot of people call it like your second puberty or whatever, you like go through puberty in your teens. And then when you're in your mid 20s, your body continues to shift and everything, you know, as your body's preparing for children, you know, physiologically, your face takes on a whole different structure, but people are going under the knife at like 22, have no idea what they're gonna look like at 25, 28, 30, 35. Your body's continuously going through these changes. And you just never know what you're going to see. If I wish I had pulled up old pictures of myself so that you guys could see what I used to look like when I was like 14, 15, even well into like high school and outside of high school, I look so different than what I look like now. And some people may say, oh, I'm gonna like, you look conventionally attractive as well. Some people also disagree with that, that I'm not conventionally attractive or that I have like a weird look to my face or whatever. If you saw what I looked like then, you would have not been seeing somebody who's conventionally attractive at all, 0%, nobody would have been saying that about me. We'll pull a pick up at a later date 'cause I just don't have them on hand right now. But that's real. And you know what? That's okay. You grow when you shift and you change. And you know, fingers crossed, you become more attractive, but if you don't, like is the choice to change your body fulfilling? - You have a question for you ladies, right? 'Cause you're very Jessica Rabbit-esque. And I say that in a good way 'cause I love Jessica Rabbit. Like you have both clearly had plastic surgery and you both have. (laughing) But I like, actually came off of quarantine. I swear I love natural. - But both of you have mentioned having it young. Do you feel like you were too young when you made the decision? - For me, absolutely. Because I started getting worked on around like 16, 17. - You were a baby. - Yeah, but the thing was that I was a dancer in clubs. I was looking at other older girls where they had that very vah, vah, vah, vah body. And I wanted that vah, vah, vah, voom body too. You know, they had the big boobs. They had the, you know, they were making all the money. And when I started dancing, I was 18 years old, you know. So I started doing Botox and I did a nose job. And then I did this. I shouldn't have been thinking about that at 18, you know. Who's to blame for that? That's obviously a different discussion. - When I was 18, I got my first move job. I was gonna compete in bodybuilding. Fitness was always a passion of mine before getting all the plastic surgery. And I thought I had to get implants to kind of like proportionately even out the rest of my body. I was getting like flat-chested from the muscles and the chest days. And honestly, I don't regret anything I've done. I'm very happy and confident in what I've done to my body. I don't think I was too young to make the decision. I've stayed true to how I feel about what I've done and like my own personal decision. But I don't want it to affect young girls. So that's why I remain transparent about everything. - You think about the entrance of social media into civil society. And now I'll scroll through TikTok. And it's like, are you a cat girl or a bunny girl? What type of pretty are you? Are you slim bodied? Are you BBL bodied? Do you have A cups? Do you have B cups? And it's just people who are really funneling girls down this path of wanting a specific body type, whatever the body type may be. And trends flow in and out. And then I'm seeing young girls who are saying I'm going to the clinic to get preventative Botox. It's not that I even have wrinkles now. I wanna prevent wrinkles down the line. Or I'm getting filler because Kylie Jenner has it. - Or a ponytail. - I didn't want to say the name. (laughing) Or they're even like, they're risking pulmonary embolism to get a BBL and all these different things. So I went to a school that-- - Yeah, there's so many different complications too that are coming out about these different procedures. And it's all of them. All of them have, of course, complications that come along with going under the knife. But as well as complications that can follow you outside of having the procedure done for breast implants, I've seen many women talk about getting something called breast plant illness when you're putting a foreign body into your own body. Your body goes, oh my gosh, what is that? Attack, attack, attack, attack. That's why when you put in breast implants, a lot of them you create like a tissue film around the breast implant that now exists inside your body. Like it encapsulates it. Because the body's like, whoa, what is this foreign thing? I need to create something to sort of like shield it away from everything else that's going inside of you. They start developing like allergy problems. Suddenly they have intolerances to certain food. And it's because your body's immune system is working so hard to figure out what's going on in your chest because you put something there that it starts to become inflammatory towards other things. So there's a lot of women who deal with breast implant illness. Now they're saying that filler, which many were once told once you put in your body, oh, the filler goes away in six months, your body metabolizes that. It actually gets rid of the filler. That's why you need to get it redone. They're finding out for a lot of people that's not true, that the filler actually stays in your body. And not only that, it is hydrophilic, which means that filler likes to suck in water. And it actually creates what's called pillow face now, where you're seeing people who had filler and their lips look bigger than they did before and the cheeks look bigger than they did before and the fillers moved around because not only is the filler migrating throughout your face where you've placed it, but it is sucking in water and becoming bigger. So in this sort of plea, I guess, to get rid of wrinkles, you're actually creating more. And then women are dealing with this pillow face going and getting their filler dissolved. And then you've created loose skin because you've filled up your skin with filler and now have deflated it again to dissolve it. Of course, with Botox, you have people getting Botox and they can't move their forehead anymore, which is just the natural side effect of something like that. But getting Botox placed in the wrong places in their face doesn't move in the right way anymore. Or there's just so many things that can go wrong, not to say that it always will. I'm sure if you go to a very professional person who does their job and does it correctly, that you won't deal with many of these things. But there's also the side effects like the breast and plant illness or the pillow face and things that are becoming more and more common and more and more talked about. And we sort of just, I think, normalize these things in a lot of ways where we're not actually having conversations about the side effects that come from them. Or we're not realizing that there's actual side effects that come from these things. What I didn't realize for a long time, I have tattoos. I have them here, here, here. I, when I was a child, I would get hives, right? And that has since gone away. I haven't had hives really in my adulthood all that much. But I notice when I do have an inflammatory reaction or I do start getting hives, they can be localized where my tattoo ink was. And I'm like thinking, what the heck is going on there? I've never heard of something like this happening. I start looking into tattoos and I'm like, okay, when you're placing tattoo ink in your body, you're placing a foreign body in your body. And your body is constantly trying to figure out, like, what is this? What is this foreign thing that was not there before? And how can I deal with it? And it can create inflammatory responses that are localized to the place where you put the tattoo ink. So think about that with tattoos, with breast implants, with Botox, with filler. Your body knows that there is foreign things within the system. And it is actively trying to deal with those things. Now, how your body is going to deal with it and whether or not it's going to go smoothly or not, I do not know. It's just a risk that people should think about. And it's not often talked about. We're so flippin' about these things that it doesn't ever really occur to us, that we might be doing something that is damaging to the system that we live within, which is a very fine-tuned one. We had a lot of very privileged kids. And as soon as they were 18, I know multiple girls that got gifted, what procedure or surgery would you like? And that's insane to me. - As a mom, I'm just gonna say, but we need to teach our girls that your jewelry is your mind. Your jewelry is what you do for other people. It's not what you look like. And if you lose that, then I had a patient actually who told me if I don't have my face, I have nothing. And I was like, well, maybe you should go back to school and find your something and find your purpose because you can't put all your eggs in the beauty basket. Does that mean that beauty doesn't matter? No, there was a 60-minute special. I swear 20 years ago that talked about how we are all inherently programmed to appreciate beauty. You know, they brought a teacher in front of a class of kindergarten kids. And as she was an actress, she was dressed as sheveled and she gave the talk a lesson to the kindergarten kids. They took the same person backstage, put her in a different outfit, fixed her hair in a ponytail so she looked less to shevel. She went out in the same tone of voice, the same everything gave the same lesson. They asked the students, which teacher did you like better? They said the second one. They said, why? They said because she's nicer. So we can't deny that beauty matters and we're programmed to appreciate beauty. But that doesn't mean you put all your eggs in that basket or that you teach your children to say that if I'm not beautiful in the standard that is current right now in this trend, then I'm worth nothing. Yeah, I mean, in essence, yeah, I agree with that. I think there was a big difference between like making yourself look less disheveled and getting cosmetic procedures, but still the point is the same. I think because I'm 23 and I grew up with it and I was the youth in the social media looking at the Kardashians and I was young and I think I'm fine nowadays. Encourage support, encourage acceptance, like things like that, yeah, but you can look, we have mirrors, we have eyes, like your mom can tell you and you're the most beautiful girl in the world all day long, but if you're not treated like that at school, if you don't feel that way, you can see more talk to people in the early basis, you can look in the mirror and see what you don't like about yourself. That's all gonna go in one ear out to the other. Well, is that an indictment on you and what you should change or is it an indictment on society? That's the question. We did get a super chat that I'm gonna read immediately from Curtis, K-D5A says you are 100% naturally beautiful. Thank you, that's so sweet. And everyone here can call me a simp if they want. I don't give a rat's. Mm, if it's the truth, it's the truth, Curtis. Thank you so much. I really appreciate that. That is very kind. We'll see if people call you a simp in the chat down below. Like, I can only imagine some will. I keep just going back to this. Like, is it a little more heightened to social media? Sure. Yeah, and now the simps are running in. The second you say you don't wanna be called something, you can guarantee that's what you're gonna be called. Grabbing at the same time, like a 13 year old's algorithm isn't only girls with, you know, fillers. Like, and I think what you were saying, it all goes back to the moms. Like, when I was a kid and I would, oh my gosh, that model is so beautiful. My mom, the first thing she'd be like, that girl does not look like that. She has all these fillers, all these things. Like, my mom's best friend was a makeup artist in New York City. And he was like, are you kidding? Like, none of these people look like that in real life. So I was just always well aware of that, a young age. And, you know, having access to fillers, I would see girls, I would be able to spot the filler on a person, you know, and fillers. So I would know that these Instagram models were fake. And there were, you know, if you have face tune, you know when a girl's face tune. So it's like, you know it's fake. So I don't understand where-- - I think a lot of people don't know it's fake. - I think if we're gonna judge it based on an issue for young kids in particular, the less that you're able to see the plastic surgery, the more of an issue it becomes, because they're seeing these individuals and thinking nothing has happened. And thinking that this is a beauty standard that this person achieved naturally, because they can't really detect it with their eyes. And we sort of, I think, all grew up in an age where we didn't have social media, and then suddenly we did. We have to think about like Jen Alpha, who is growing up in a world right now, where social media is the standard. They've never not known the internet. So if you have these in perceivable plastic surgery and cosmetic changes that kids are taking on, they're thinking that's enough. - I mean, I kind of have, like I had Instagram at like 10 years old, like I was on the internet, you know, before that. And, but you watch the rise of filters, you watch the rise of face tune, which makes you more attuned to be able to detect these things. - Yeah, 'cause filters used to be. - Yeah, I mean, it's just, that's how it's gonna be. If you're a young person who, when you were two years old, was handed an iPad and you're now like on social media, looking through all these different things around YouTube or whatever, you're not gonna be able to have the same radar for catching these fake things that are happening, because you didn't get to watch them take place, you know? You're entering an era of celebrity, where people are getting these like, in perceivable changes to their face, and they're going through total glow-ups, and then not, you know, saying that they've done so naturally, you didn't get to watch the rise of filters, although you now get to experience them, and watch all this stuff happen, and the face tuning and all that. And there are many who are gonna be well aware, and be able to have a fine radar to figure out when these things are going on, and there are many who won't. And, you know, a lot of those people who cannot see that, might be ushered down the path of cosmetic surgery. - So funny. - Like if we can go back to the dawn of Instagram. - Yeah. - Can I ask you guys a question? - Yeah. - Do you think that us as professionals in plastic surgery, if we put out more informational factoids about how to tell, like, oh, for example, somebody brought up the fitness influencer, saying that I did squats, but they really had a BBL. Like, I went on maybe three years ago on my social media, and said, "You guys, if somebody doesn't have a hip dip, "they had a BBS." - Yeah, yeah. - So, I think that as professionals, if we came out, we gave the younger generations the tips to be able to tell, someone's had something done, would that be helpful for our surgery? - I would personally love that. - I have a question for the plastic surgery. - I actually watch a lot of plastic surgeons that do this. Well, they're like analyzed celebrities before and afters, and give their estimates to what procedures have taken place, or they'll talk about the way certain procedures look. And I think, yeah, if that's the world that we're going to exist in where so many people are getting these things done, then maybe we should be more transparent about what they look like. We should be more transparent about how people are getting these things done, or maybe guessing what they've had done. And it's not an onus on the person. You don't have to come forward and say every single procedure that you've had done, but maybe you don't lie and say that you're natural so that you do people into thinking you have this, like, beauty that was achieved naturally when it wasn't. - Outside, if you're planning on having children, if you have children, what is that conversation about cosmetic surgery going to look like with them? If at a young age they come to you and say, I'm really interested in this, or, you know, I'd like to get this procedure done when I'm old enough. - Totally. - I think for me it would be, honestly how I would tell anyone, right? This is your decision. I think with the little education that I do know, I would definitely make sure they understand that, you know, there's pros and cons to it, right? You're not gonna just wake up and be totally happy that you did something and that's it, right? There might be, now you see that you're gaining weight, so you're, maybe I'll just do BBL now, you know? Or maybe I'll do this, et cetera. I think it'll be very important to let them make that decision, but give them the best education as you can. And then obviously get a professional that can help you with that. I don't know if I can tell anyone to not do something. I could only give them my advice and my experience, and I think it'll be hypocritical for me to say, hey, listen, you shouldn't do this. I don't agree with it when I was 18, you know, getting a nose job. - Yeah, I mean, I get what she's saying. There is that element of, yeah, I've done it, so I don't wanna tell somebody not to do it, but there is also this sort of like cautionary tale that you can now exist as in bestow that upon your children of saying, yeah, you know what? I did do that. I did a boog job, I did do this. I get to fix my nose, I did that. But I wouldn't wish that for you, and here's why. And that doesn't have to be you telling them what to do. It can just be, it's my recommendation. Here's my story, here's what I went through, and here's what I regret. - I think I have a shitty answer, but I don't really care. I think I'm just gonna give them the honest feedback. I would give anybody, like, I'm sorry. You know, I'm sure my daughter is gonna be the most beautiful girl in the world, whatever. If her nose is really bad, and she's really insecure about it at a young age, and she comes to me, and we have the financial means to do, so I probably would be the parent, like, hey girl, get your nose done for graduation before. - If her nose is really bad, what does that mean? And I can't help but think about how unhealthy this is to be the mother figure who is meant to protect and guard your child, especially from unhealthy thoughts and unhealthy pathways of thinking about yourself, to be the one who says, yeah, your nose is bad, let's go get it fixed, that's crazy to me. That's crazy. You know, the mom is supposed to be the one you go to when you're feeling these crazy things, and you're so insecure, and she talks you off the ledge and says, you know what, something, these feelings that you have are totally valid, and I understand why you're feeling these things, and we often wanna sit down and listen to our insecurities, but can I show you a different route? Can I show you, you know, a different way to maybe think about these things, and yeah, it's gonna be a struggle to combat them and overcome them, but we can overcome it, and I'm your mom, and I'm gonna help you do that. But to be like, yeah, your nose is bad. What do you want for your 18th birthday, right? No plasties, crazy. - I go to college, I know that sounds really shitty, but like, that's a shitty feeling, like looking in the mirror and like crying all the time about your face, you don't like your nose, you don't like whatever it is, like, I know a girl who got a chin implant. - So, and then Dr. Nazarian, Sheila, she's like, you know, no, that's not, that's a very real thing, you know, that's not the worst thing to say about your daughter, but was just talking about how we should instill in people that their mind is their jewelry. So, what is it, and I understand that beauty matters alongside these things, but if the mind is your jewelry, why can't we focus real hardcore on that, on that priority point? - Changed her whole face, like crazy. Had such a more, like, yeah, I don't know. I mean, obviously am I gonna be like, listen, you're doing a big thing, we're gonna go, we're gonna get educated, we're going to the best doctors, we're gonna figure it out, and if I have them at financial means to do so correctly, hell yeah. - I think also what's the purpose you're doing it for, who you're doing it for, because people end up doing plastic surgery for boys. So, I think it's very important to ask too, what's the reason for you doing it? - And we do that, and it's very important for the surgeon to also ask, I have it on my questionnaire, my intake form, has anyone told you you should do this? - Yeah, has anyone made you feel bad about this area? - Mm-hmm. - Mental health questions, I think, you know, as a disfirm mom tasker. - And then it's like, okay, how many people are being real about those questions? How many women have you met, that have gotten, you know, like a rhinoplasty, or lip flip, or all these different things, and you ask them why they got it, and they said I did it for myself, and you know damn well that that is not correct, you know they didn't do it for themselves, you know they did it because of outside reasons, or externalized pressure, or they got bullied, or something like this, very rarely are these decisions made for the self. And I think we can admit that, if you were living in an area where you felt like you were never being judged, or we didn't have social media, or you weren't being seen by so many people, and feeling this pressure of being judged, whether you are or not, you wouldn't be receiving these cosmetic surgeries. In fact, if somebody had not bestowed that idea upon you, you probably wouldn't be at the plastic surgeon's office right now, so how can somebody truly answer, I'm doing this for me, and it's just like my own thought to go under the knife and have bone shaved off of my nose, it's probably not for you. - That's also very important as us as the gatekeepers, to also make sure they're doing it for the right reasons. - Honestly I didn't have too much, that's a topic, 'cause I agree with both of them. - That face was fitting, I just saw the photo of me popped up on the screen. The face is fitting, it's probably not for you. - In the same vein, and I don't plan to have kids, but I do plan to be a role model for younger girls, nieces, nephews, sorry nieces, and I would just honestly do the same thing that Giselle would, just educate them, I wouldn't judge them, I would teach them about their self-worth, doing things a natural way first, and you know, like just-- - Let it not be your the fall. - Yeah, exactly, not just going straight to surgery. - And I think they cut Dr. Sheila's answer to that, because she spoke about her own daughters, I believe, his daughters that she has, and she said well my daughters would never, like they would not want to go down the route of plastic surgery, because you know, that's what they've learned at home, and that's just not the mindset that they have towards beauty, and to growth, and being natural, and all these different things. She said she wouldn't judge them if they were going down that route, but that that's not the way that they were taught, which is very interesting to be somebody who's a plastic surgeon, and is going around reinforcing the idea that people need to change their insecurities, while instilling in your daughters that that's something that they don't need to do. So how do those two things, you know, exist healthily in the same realm, and without, you know, not necessarily being on the same vibe? - We are trending towards the future, where natural beauty will no longer exist. - I'm thinking way ahead into the future. I'm thinking social media is gonna grow quite a bit. Our beauty trends are gonna change. AI is gonna integrate with medicine, and that's going to change beauty, and how easy it is to go and receive these surgeries. So, yeah, in a lot of ways, I think the trend is definitely not towards what's natural, as human civilization is trending altogether towards what's unnatural, and I think that will apply to beauty as well. It makes me sad to think that we live in a society that doesn't want to see people age normally, and I say that as somebody who deals with insecurities myself, I don't know that when I'm 50, like what my face is gonna look like, and how I'm gonna look in the mirror, and how I'm gonna perceive myself, but I would hope that I've fortified this sort of philosophical idea that I have about beauty so much that I won't feel the need to change myself in any way. Young people, old people, everybody's going to be engaging in this practice, even men, as we're seeing them sort of get into plastic surgery now as well. It's strange to me to think that we're not going to see what people were actually meant to look like. - Do you ever feel tempted to get a procedure done yourself with all this pressure and societal pressure? - Not with all the thought that I've put into it, but I can say from the moment I was able to perceive myself and perceive insecurity, I felt it. I can't tell you how many times when I was a teenager, I thought, let's just get rid of plastic. Let's just slope the nose a little bit and fix it, but yeah, the more I've thought about it though, the more I'm thinking, I really want to know what I look like when I'm 70, 80, and what I was supposed to look like, and I want to experience life and experience the wear and tear that that puts on the body, so. - It is something you're gonna actively have to think about. At least for me, I actively have to think about that. Sometimes I'm looking in the mirror and I'm like, oh, yeah. Why not get a boob job? Why not? And you're like, no, you cannot think like that. There's not the way you're supposed to be thinking of this. To me, a very, very unhealthy thought to be having about yourself, and it is never for yourself. It is never, ever, ever for yourself. I'm sorry to say that, and many people may disagree with me on that, it's just not. We're not getting these cosmetics procedures in order to do something that is just for ourselves and it's not about the way we function in society or how people view us or to be attractive to the opposite sex or to somebody who you have a crush on. There's just so many other factors that are taking place, and I hope that I have the resilience to just never want to do that, and not to give in to something that I don't think is the best for us. - I don't think so. - I don't think so. - Like when COVID hit and we had to shut down our offices for two months and I wasn't doing things to myself, I was looking in the mirror, I was like, holy shit, is that what I actually look like? I ran to the office, grabbed a couple boxes of filler, brought a home and started shooting myself in the face and I'm like, restore, restore, restore. So I think it's really honest to say that I don't know how you're gonna perceive yourself when you're 50, you're probably still gonna be gorgeous and great, but you never know, and I think it's good to leave that door open. You know, it's armamentarium in a toolbox, but for-- - I wanna say for the record though, the door is closed. Door is closed. Of course, you can never predict for the future of like what's gonna happen, anything could happen between now and in 50, but the fill is off, it could be doors closed. There's no leaving room for these things. - For me, I think that what's gonna happen is it's gonna become so accessible. Imagine you go to Rite Aid and there's a machine that scans your face, does an ultrasound, knows exactly the level of your thickness of your skin, knows where your muscles are. It generates a hyronic acid/botox mask with little, not needles in it, but the hyronic acid shaped as needles, you put it on your face and you press. You've just delivered botox to your face, you've delivered hyronic acid filler to your face, and it's gonna become that accessible. - Wait, is this the way you know it's coming? - I think that this is she already pied it. - I know. - You know what I mean? - And I invented that to eat. - That intrigued you a little bit, so I think when it becomes that easy and affordable and accessible, then yeah, people are gonna say, heck, why not? Why shouldn't I have to do a little skin booster? - Yeah. - I completely understand like I use a collagen booster in my coffee. - I'm going to continue drinking my collagen. I also take a calcium supplement because I know I'll stop building reserves in a few years, right? Surgery is much more my concern. I have a very Slavic nose and it's very specific in my head. I hated it for the longest time. I wanted the little button Western European nose. It's what I wanted. And it took me a long time to be like, no, this is the same nose that like my grandpa, or my grandpa came over with from the Czech Republic. And I think we start losing that, and I think we start losing a lot of individual cultural beauty in order to fit whatever aesthetic is being pushed. - I always think about too. Like you, let's say you get your nose, we'll just use an example of nose, that's the one we're sticking with. And you get your nose done or whatever, and then you have a child. And your child has the genetics that you ran from. And your child has the nose that you decided to get a rhinoplasty for. What sort of message are you giving to your child that you felt the need to change a nose 'cause you thought it was an ugly feature on your face? And now your child has your genetics, which you're supposed to say are beautiful and like you're sort of created in my image with the genes that I gave you. How do you tackle that message? Are you not just inherently sending down an insecurity to your child who now has the feature that you decided to go under the knife for? - I think again, we're talking about two different things. You're talking about changing beauty standards. I'm talking about staying youthful looking, looking like you, but looking your best for as long as possible. - But that doesn't concern me. That doesn't concern me in terms of losing natural beauty because to me, natural beauty a lot is a lot of whatever your ethnic group's beauty is. It's like beauty within your ethnic features 'cause that includes body types, right? When we start pushing people to change, you're erasing the beauty that can be found within their natural phenotypical expression. - Just so you know, though, in the plastic surgery world, we have books on ethnic noses. We have books on ethnic breath. Like we have books on this stuff to keep people within their-- - To try and mitigate that ratio kind of thing. - No, we don't even think of it as a ratio, but just respecting that person's anatomy and phenotype and just optimizing it for them. - I think especially-- - And that's meant to sort of quell the unrest around the getting rid of ethnic features, but it still changes the feature nonetheless. And yeah, they do have those, like, the books for ethnic noses because just certain noses don't look good on certain faces and with people with like a difference like ethnic look to their face. You can't just go and like slap on a Barbie nose and have it look great on your face. So that's another reason why-- - Exactly. - In an economy, people can't even afford groceries right now. Some people can't afford to put gas in their car. I don't think we're literally anywhere near where everyone is going to have lip filler and have a nose job. I don't see everybody, you know, running to get lip filler. Like we're on front. I just, 'cause everybody has-- - But he is getting more accessible. - Accessible, yes, but I don't think natural beauty is gonna go away 100%. So a perfect example, I mean, yes, that sounds really cool, what you were saying. Like, you put your skin, your face, whatever, but at the end of the day, it's always gonna be like the cheaper risk you're alternative. I've had friends be like, oh my God, my friend's becoming an NP, like she'll do your things for free and I'm like, mmm, I'm good. - That's your standard, right? I love it. - But I've said the same thing about, say-- - It'll be more electronic vehicles. People thought, oh, the rich are only gonna have those. It's never gonna trickle down to normal people or the iPhone, smartphones. People thought only rich people would have access to those, but as we develop-- - But it'll be more accessible, but I don't think everyone's gonna do it. And so he's more annoying to get things done. It's more effort to get things done and it is to not and most people are lazy and most people don't want to sell the money. - I feel like if we-- - I think I'm thinking like way, way, way ahead. When I'm thinking about natural beauty and cosmetic surgery and things, I'm thinking like, you could go, sit in a little AI booth, have it scan your face, you could pick out the facial features that you want to change, click your button or whatever, it knocks you out, it does the procedure and then you get out and go. That's how far ahead ends of the future I'm thinking about these alterations and of course it's gonna exist on a spectrum and that example is not a specific example, it's just a random one, but that's what I'm thinking. - Look at something like braces, right? Braces are mostly aesthetic. And at one point, nobody got braces. Now everyone's like, I personally haven't had braces. So like purely by luck, I need that. - I think it's now so normal. - It's now so normal though that people are very surprised and I'm like, nope, didn't have them. And I feel like we are moving in that direction. Like when I say I don't have tattoos, a lot of people are really surprised. I don't actually have my ears pierced. A lot of people are really surprised. All of these things, all these alterations, they do become so normal. And I'm not, obviously not condemning anyone with tattoos or piercings. - Or with plastic surgery for that matter. - I think there's too many to go down that route at all. I don't think insurance is gonna cover like Botox. And like I think there's too many elements that like braces insurance came in and helped with that. There's a lot of other things that go in. - That's a fair point. - There are enough into the future about how easily it's going to be like we're using examples of like filler and Botox. These might not even be within the realm of cosmetic surgery, 50 years down the line once we've made advancements. We're talking about the accessibility. We're gonna be talking about very qualified plastic surgeons like Sheila who are giving these procedures to normal people. And it's not necessarily that all natural beauty is going to be erased and nobody's gonna have the face that they were born with. It's just to say is the rate of intervention when it comes to beauty going to be higher than those staying natural. - So how do you all feel about the fact that a lot of people are going through procedures to specifically like get rid of certain ethnic features they have or to maybe even look like another race? - As an Asian woman, I've naturally thin, I have no curves like I mentioned before. And obviously this beauty standard of having curves comes from African American and Spanish culture. And I admit it and I appreciate it. I don't think it's a bad thing. I don't think it's inherently bad. I think it's just different. - Right, and it's not that she's trying to look black. It's just so happens to be a feature that is more prominent within that community. - Yeah, a lot of people talk about white supremacy or Eurocentrism, but with BBL culture now, like you said, that's Latin and African American. A lot of people are going in to get plastic surgery on their eyes to look more East Asian. With noses, we typically tend to fall into this more Eurocentric standard, but also a good plastic surgeon in my opinion would look at your ethnic features and would think about preserving them and it would be more focused on an idea of symmetry than erasing what is something that is typical for your ethnicity. - I totally agree with her and I will tell you, I don't speak for all plastic surgeons, but we have books on how to preserve ethnic beauty. Asian grandparents, when there's an Asian baby, will massage their nose to try to give them a bridge. A lot of Asian women will go in and actually have cartilage inserted to give them a bridge. Where do you-- - Do some of the beauty standards in like, Asian countries are wild in how like forceful they are about wanting you to look a certain way is crazy. Especially when it comes to you know, a lot of people in America are talking about like race, that colorism that you want to experience. Colorism, go to like Korea experience. The colorism that exists there and like people who are actively trying to like bleach their skin to look wider, wider, wider, wider, wider, because that's just the prevailing narrative as far as what's beautiful. - Draw a line. I know about like the eyelid things. - The double eyelids, yeah. And sometimes I've heard from Asian patients like, I can't wear glasses because I have no bridge. Like it'll literally slide off. Like if I don't do something, I'm gonna have to go get an eye surgery instead to get-- - Again, functional argument for an aesthetic world that we're living in. - Laysick, so then I won't need the glasses anymore. So again, I think we shouldn't just say line in the sand, no, and we shouldn't say line in the sand, yes. And it's really more nuanced again. - I was made fun of for like not being able to see, open your eyes and now everyone's like, oh, I'm getting the fox eye, I'm getting this. And they're not admitting where it actually comes from. And that's why I like to give credit where credit is due. - Is that bother you? - People who grew up and they were like bullied for freckles. And now like freckles are so in. And there's makeup products now that you can get to like spray freckles on your face. Like these things go in and out. And some of us find ourselves in the unfortunate position of being bullied for certain features that we have and suddenly they're back in style. When I was a kid and I went to school with natural hair sometimes people said, oh my gosh, you look like a boy or you know, that feature doesn't look good on you or something like that. And then you get older and natural hair is in and people love like a big beautiful afro or whatever. It's just like these things shift and change or whatever. So we shouldn't move and adapt to what haters and ops are saying about the way we look. We should learn to accept ourselves. And if our look comes into style, cool, so be it. If it doesn't, it doesn't. We shouldn't make ourselves so susceptible to the commentary of other people. And I know that's so much easier said than done, obviously. You hear somebody say something negative about you that lives within you somewhere unless you can tackle it and move on from it. And a lot of people find it very hard to do those things. Or society at large treats them differently because of the way they look and that cannot be ignored. But do we want to then give them the upper hand by instead of accepting ourselves, changing ourselves. Society can bully us in any different direction. And that is just the way the world is how things go. You don't want to be the one who's just constantly tripping over yourself to follow what other people think you should look like. You, by the way, that people are-- Oh, yeah. I'm like, just call it what it is. If you won't acknowledge where things come from, and you're just going to hop on any trend that follows, oh, my god, those have eyes are in. I'm going, oh, my god, big butts are in. I'm going to go on that. Then you're just dumb. You have to follow what you like more. For some reason, I've never been inclined to get a boob job. A lot of my friends have one. It's just like, that's not the look I like. I think we are in a generation where everyone's so coddled and so nervous. Like, oh, I'm going to have to look this way. And it's like, you don't look that way. So if you either change it when you get older, you don't. I don't know. That sounds like a real hard story. What would you say motivated you towards your procedures? Sorry, I had to do it. I had to ask her. Because how is there a distinction between the person who follows trends in whatever she received as plastic surgery? There was some sort of trend followed. Or either way, you recognized something that you felt you didn't have. And you decided to get it. I've just gotten my lips out of my boat. I mean, just because I want a bigger lips, I have no upper lip before. Even as a kid, when I was playing with my mom, like our family's makeup, like my cousins and I, because I'd be like, damn, you have no upper lip. And like, I'm Hispanic. I'm Cuban and Dominican. And I have like no lips, you know what I mean? Which is not really the standard. Who wears a lot of-- So there is a trend within your culture and a trend that you were not part of or participating in. And you decided to participate in the trend. Face inventory, who doesn't want an upper lip. Like, little things like that. I mean, I'm a little overdue for Botox. I go into tanning beds a little too much. Please don't do that. I know, I'm sorry. Everyone hates me for it, but-- I don't think we're going to say that. Because you do something as well. Doesn't mean that you're trying to mimic another culture as well. Yeah, exactly. Back in the day, you know, having big breasts was our Caucasian thing, right? It was more the, you know, we were the booty, you know, Caucasian was more getting the boobs, you know, the Pamela Anderson boobs. And just because you get lips, it doesn't mean that you're trying to be black or any of those, I think, stereotypes. And if you get your nose done as someone who's Puerto Rican and they look at me and they're like, okay, well, you don't like your nose before? No, because I just wanted it done. I don't know if your intention is to look like another race. I think that's a different conversation. Yeah, and I just think that's weird. I don't think anybody's really looking in the mirror and being like, I'm doing this because I want to look like a different race. It just happens to be a feature that is... Ollie London is, or I should say, Ollie London-wise. He's one of the few that was like, Transracial, wanted to be Korean or whatever, 'cause he loved K-pop or something like that. Crazy. Usually stigmatized towards a certain race. Some people are, though. Some people are trying to look like elves. Yeah. I love the way I look. I mean, what is the difference? I mean, we can say that one is like more outlandish than the other, but what is the difference between somebody wanting a specific race? Rhinoplasty and another person like, I don't know, wanting to make their ears point to you or something like that. You're still going under the knife to change your face. It's one more reasonable than the other. I don't necessarily know at this point since we're all just in the boat of getting these things done. If it's something you like, I guess it's something you like. Will the agreeers please step forward? I came to this country when I was seven on the back of a pickup truck. My parents wouldn't let me wax my mustache, shave my legs. They're like, who are you shaving your legs for? I was super skinny. I think I was like 90 pounds. Didn't have my first real boyfriend until probably med school. It was a journey for me. I didn't get my confidence because of how I look. I had my confidence because of what my mom told me. My mom always told me, you're so beautiful. You're so smart. You have so much to offer. And so I think I took a journey like this to loving how I look. How much of your procedures do you feel makes you love the way you look? It doesn't matter as much to me because I have done so many other things that I gain confidence from. My confidence comes from my core values and on the inside. But I'm able to also be artistic. And I love to sculpt in the past. And I'd love to draw in the past. And now I get to do that on humans and make them feel great. So what procedures have you done on yourself? So the first two procedures that I started with were Botox and filler in my temples, under eyes, laugh lines, lips, marionette lines, and my entire jaw line. Botox and my bunny lines here, here, here, and my master's because I also get locked jaw if I don't because I crunch all the time. I would love to get some things done. Have I, you know, a little more money in the bank? Obviously nobody loves what they love themselves 100% when they look in the mirror. I mean, maybe you do, but-- Because you only have one procedure, right? It was just the lips. Yeah, just the lips. How much do you think that? Botox, it literally makes your face look so much clear. I don't know how to explain that, so-- It's like fat towards you. Yeah, literally. I mean, it goes away, so I don't worry now. And then my hair is fake. Something happened in college, and literally all my hair fell out. And it was like, my hair was so much of my beauty. It was like my identity. And I spend so much money on k-tips. Do you think that you would be sitting here right now as an agreeer? I love the way I look. If you didn't have these, procedures done? No. I personally had this very sad thing that she couldn't agree with the fact that she loves herself. Has she knocked out in these? Procedure's done. I feel like that's something to tackle. Never been more confident in my entire life. And it's a little bit of a problematic statement, because technically, it is a mental issue that maybe I could have gone to therapy for and not done the bodily changes. It would be irresponsible for me not to acknowledge that. But at the end of the day, I make money off my looks. And I've always loved the fake exaggerated look. It's always what I wanted and admire for myself. I'm very happy with how I look now. I also recognize that a lot of my stance comes from a place of privilege, because I guess I never had to have braces. I didn't really have to do a lot to be conventionally passing as attractive. You know what I mean? I just kind of existed. And I was like, thanks, guys. Fair enough. Yeah, I hesitated walking up, because I feel like if I was going to put it into perfect words, it's that I fall in and out of love with the way that I look on any given day. I think everybody experiences that. But I've been sort of training my brain as I'm developing, growing into myself, to care more about being healthy and having health. I feel like that exudes beauty in a lot of different ways. And knowing that the moments where you do not love yourself are not really founded in reality. There's just something that we're creating for ourselves. Or society is creating. Or social media is creating that don't need to be listened to as much as we're listening to it currently. So that's why I walked forward, because I do feel, at the end of the day, it's all love. And the whispers that we get that aren't love are not to be listened to. Yeah, I don't know. Are we supposed to always be happy all the time with the way that we look? I don't know that we're supposed to. So is that what we're supposed to be chasing? Because if you're going to be chasing that feeling of being happy with the way you look all the time, girl, you're going to be running marathons for the rest of your life. That is a lot to chase. To me, it's just not a priority in life. And I hope it's not a priority when I'm older. You know what? I'm 70. I hope I will have lived damn near enough life to where I don't give a shit. What I look like? Are you kidding? You think I'm going to be at 70 years old? If I'm 70 years old and still being knocked over the head with insecurity over having wrinkles on my face, I failed in some way of experiencing enough life, developing myself as a person to where like, you cannot still be held by the chains of looking at yourself in that way when you aren't at that big age. I hope I'm not dealing with that. It's a spectrum. Every day, all the time, throughout each day, I'm extremely judgmental on myself and just the entire world. And my worst critic, I'm super perfectionist, even though I absolutely know that there is no such thing as perfection, I can't say that like, I look at myself and I'm like, yes, no. I'm always nitpicking at myself on a mental, physical, emotional aspect. I definitely think that I put judgment on the way I look from unresolved trauma that happened. And it's this weird mirroring effect that I have, but I still haven't had a day where it's like 100%. I love myself 100%. I love that I know that I'm in control of my progress and of the fact that life is just a process. - I love that she said that because I do want to ask the question and we asked it already about being happy. Are you supposed to like love 100% of everything that's going on? When I think about like loving 100% of everything that's going on in my life, what's the point of progressing? What's the point of like moving through processes and doing things to make yourself better? If you're just like 100%, I'm a 10 out of 10. I love everything in my life. Yeah, I mean, like when we all love to feel that way, I guess, but I can't help but think that's like a little bit of a crush to lean on. Their life is not all about like happiness and 100% love in oneself. It's a journey. It ebbs and flows. You have great moments. You have bad moments and the bad moments are what make true moments and good moments exist. There's no happiness without suffering. So I don't know that the goal is to like always love yourself 100% of the time and you can love yourself without being fully comfortable with everything that exists within yourself or within the way you look. And you can just acknowledge that, oh yeah, I'm feeling a little insecure today. That's part of the human experience. And aren't we lucky to be going through this human experience? Aren't I lucky to be alive and feeling something that maybe is feeling a little bit negative in the moment, but it's a feeling. It's something that I'm experiencing. And that's cool because we're all here to experience that. And if you didn't know insecurity, you wouldn't know like the beauty of the love that you developed for yourself on the other end of it. - My whole family, we had like big chins, right? So that was one of the things like one of the first things like I kind of shaved down because we just all have the chin. I've done a face left, I've done my nose, I've done my lips obviously, my forehead, I've done my body obviously, I've done that. I need to maintenance, right? So I do my Botox, I do my fillers. There's times where I'm like, yeah, I'm a bad bitch. Then there's times where I'm like, oh my God, that's too fat. I've struggled with weight on my life. But I don't think we'll get that stuff that we had done if we were truly, truly happy with what we saw in the mirror. That's just my opinion. - Do you feel like though, because of the procedures that you did, that you do love the way you look more? - Yeah, absolutely, because that's the reason why we do our chief and we do those things because we didn't like what we saw, whether you want more pronounced nose or whatever you want. If you're gonna use those things to change yourself to be happy and to love yourself, do it. But also know that, and I'm only talking about visually because if we go down to mental health thing, then that's like a totally different topic. But visually, I feel like if we were happy or really loved the way we wouldn't do the things that we've done. - Men are more attracted to natural beauty. - You can see me in the back going, thinking about this one. I struggled with this problem quite a bit and I'll tell you why in a moment. - I do Instagram, social media and adult content creation and I find that my look is very niche. I don't appeal to the masses for sure. I get a lot of comments trolling me, disgusting BBL, go get a refund, you look like you're wearing a diaper type stuff. So I feel like there are men that still, most of the men do appreciate natural beauties. Even if it's like, they don't know that they got worked on too. - That's why I'm here. That's why I'm sitting there, I'm like, you go first. - So I think men have no clue what's natural and what's not. I was gonna do a show for E and for a year, I operated on this African-American, very well-known human. And on her social media, literally everybody's like, "That's what a natural beauty looks like." And I cannot, there's not one inch on her body that I did not operate on. I think they appreciate a natural result. But they don't, well, you're, again, you're skin falling off your skeleton. They don't want your boobs down to here. And sometimes, honestly, they don't even notice that. They're just happy to be intimate. - Yeah, I was thinking something very similar to you that a lot of men will say, "Oh, I love natural. Look at Kendall Jenner." And then it's just like, "Okay, well, wait a second. You don't know exactly what natural is." So I wanted to stay back and say, "Well, maybe I disagree because their perception of natural beauty isn't exactly in tune." But I also feel like if you were dating a guy and had no procedures done, he may be more attracted to that reality than he is attracted to dating a woman who has had procedures done. So you might look like Megan Fox, and that will get you a lot of male attention. But I think when you're dating a man, as soon as he finds out, "Oh, you've had a rhino plus, you've had a boob job, you've had this," he's thinking, "What do you actually look like? What am I getting here?" You know, if we procreate and have a child, am I actually getting the girl who looks like Megan Fox? Or am I gonna get a child who looks totally different? And I've heard a lot of men now complain about false advertising. So they're trending towards the natural, even though aesthetically, it may not be as pleasing to them. - Yeah, I feel like, okay, let's be real. If a guy sees a pretty woman, a guy sees a pretty woman. If a guy's attracted to a woman, he's attracted to a woman. I don't think most men are thinking like, did she get a rhino plasti? Is her forehead moving? Did she have Botox? Did she get filler at any point? But I think if you were to give a man an option of two women in similar beauty standards, a similar level of beauty, and you said one of these women achieved this beauty through plastic surgery, the other woman achieved this naturally, they're going to go towards the woman who achieved it naturally for a multitude of reasons, one of which I mentioned, which is this idea of false advertising or wanting to have a child that actually has the genetics at our base level. We are mammals. We are existing within the realm of natural selection, and that's actively working on us all the time, and we're trying to make these genetic choices as we're picking mates and picking people to create children with, and cosmetic surgery factors into that. I think most men want somebody who, if they can achieve it, is beautiful, but also hasn't gone under the knife. Now, is that to say that if you go get cosmetic surgery, you will not get men or men will not be attracted to you? No, of course not. A woman is a woman to a lot of men, and especially if you're beautiful, regardless of how you got there, you will get male attention. It's just to say, if we did that experiment, I feel like men would pick the woman who has not had intervention, and still they're making that choice, even though a lot of them have no idea what the detox looks like, what filler looks like, what a rhinoplasty looks like, what a boob drop looks like. You're nodding your head, is this something you experienced? Oh yeah, I get comments like that all the time. Your kids aren't gonna have that booty, or like your kids aren't gonna look like you. I mean, I haven't touched my face yet, but if I do, you know, if I have kids, they won't look like that. Hi buddies, hello. A lot of men like natural bodies, and natural girls who don't get any of the work done, because they are thinking about, you know, what about my kids? Can I bring them around my parents? You know, how are people gonna perceive me bringing someone who has a freaking 44-inch hips and butt? You can know. How has it impacted your personal dating life? It affects it because they only see that, right? And obviously, they consume their social media, and they'll see, okay, well, she's done like Playboy, right? So you have some legs all open for that, right? Other men is gonna see that, and then, you know, judge me, or that's not mine. That's like exclusive to me. Also, whether we like it or not, men are placing women in categories, and if you're getting these very dramatic cosmetic procedures, you know, double-de-boob jobs, BBLs, all these different things, you do present a certain image to men, and while it may be an attractive image, there's also little like micro-judgments that are being made, or really large, just straight-up judgments that are being made of the value that you present to them. I think a lot of men interpret many plastic surgeries as being like, oh, you're easier, because you're probably so insecure that if I give you attention, you're gonna go for me or whatever, and I've actively heard men say this. Now, these are not good men by any means, not people that you would wanna seek out for a relationship anyways, but this is, you know, calculations that are being made simply based off of the way you look, and she mentions, does he wanna take you home to your parents? There's a lot of different things that, you know, the first impression can be altered when it comes to getting these cosmetic surgeries, and all these little judgments are taking place behind the scenes, and you would just never, never fully know. - On a date, I don't have to be very conscious with what I wear, because if I wear something like this, his mind is like, how am I gonna devour? You know, it's not like, okay, what are, what are we gonna do on a second date? - I've dated multiple people there, like, they start dating me, but you'd be so much better blonde, and I know that's not a procedure or surgery, but the last person I dated, he would tell me all the time how I needed a poop job, or I needed my butt done. - Who are y'all dating? Who? He said, what? (laughs) The door, I'd be like, um, the door, who? - Like, I needed these things. It was like, yeah, you're just a plain Jane without it. Like, this is gross, and I'm like, why are you dating me? - Yeah, you wanna say something, I can go. - I think men think with two heads, and the top of this one wants the natural girl, and I think really to touch on your point, like, for a guy to make a girl his wife, he has to be sexually attracted to her, and that's where the other head comes in, and they don't gravitate towards the natural girl. I hate to bring them up, but you know, the generous sisters, it's like, one of them, everybody thinks of plastic surgery, when the other one just heads just as much, but one just looks a little more exaggerated than the other. I think men don't know what natural looks like, I think, you know, if you get filler, if you get Botox who a normal degree, I don't think they'll care that much. They say they do, but at the end of the day, I feel like the guys who complain about that stuff on these podcasts or things like that, they only surround themselves with girls, with BBLs, and all this stuff, and they say, yeah, I don't know. When I'm thinking about men, I'm thinking about, like, good men, men of, like, moral fortitude, more of character. I'm not thinking about the men that they're talking about, like, the guys on Fresh and Fit Podcast, or, like, a boy that you date who tells you to get a boob job, because that is just not in, that is not somebody that I would ever entertain, period, let alone in a relationship. So, I'm thinking, I'm thinking of, like, men with discernment. - Say they do, and, you know, so you have guys commenting or anything, how do they end up with that video in the first place? - Period. - You know what I mean? - Right point. They're more upset that they know they can never get with you. - Exactly, I feel like it's a more, like, anger thing. Think of the nicest guy, you know, who's a generally good guy who's not judging you based off your BBL or something like that. Is it a bonus to have dated somebody who has had plastic surgery? He may be attracted, he may date, he may even marry, but I don't ever think a guy is thinking, "Hell yeah, she got a rhinoplasty," or, like, the food job is really what cement is. - And I should have said, I don't think a good man is ever thinking those things. There are plenty of men who think those things that should have clarified. - Relationship. - Well, like, you know-- - Makes her hotter. - Yeah, if it makes you more attractive, like, I don't think a guy cares about, like, literally, he wants the surgery, he just wants the outcome of the surgery, you know? - I mean, I completely agree with you in terms of the outcome. Like, I'm thinking of a very specific couple. They were very happy prior to her having a boob job, and that's fine. But then when she was like, "Hey, I'm gonna do that." He was like, "Perfect, can I help pick the size? "What is it gonna feel like? "This is so exciting." And, like, he loved her before, but it definitely was a bonus for him. But he was like, "I love you doing what this, "like, what you're doing as long as I get to touch them." - And that's why I say disagree, too, because you can look at the statistics with Pornhub and all these things. It's usually Mary Menhor getting caught, you know? And those are the ones who are with the natural, non-surged woman, but then they're doing what they're doing, you know, to the BBL girl. - Yeah, I think that's true. But also, with the world that we're living in now, there's a distinction, I think, to be drawn between what people watch as far as pornography and who they engage with in real life. - Men will watch some crazy stuff and be getting off to some crazy stuff on the internet, but would never, ever, ever, ever engage in that way in real life. So we have to bear that in mind, too. But it is an interesting point that you will seek out BBL women, you know, on your internet, you know, search history, but you don't want, but you claim to not want that in real life. - Celebrities should always be transparent about their cosmetic procedures. - I think because they're celebrities and in the spotlight and very much influencing a wide variety of ages and people that they need to be just honest about what they're doing and why, because they're putting an example on the culture and especially young people. That's not to say if the cosmetic procedure is something that was like reconstructive or internal and it's not like an aesthetic thing, that was like, you know, they were in an accident or, you know, something like the young child she talked about with the labia, that doesn't need to be spoken about, you know, that's super private and totally unnecessary, I think unless it's like an actual interview that's highlighting that for whatever reason to empower people on that subject. - When I hear should, I think of the very philosophical should, right, like I'm kind of taking the ethical stance where I'm like, I think that it is the proper ethics for people who are in a position to influence the masses to be honest and open when they know that not being could be detrimental. Now, if they don't, do I think they're the worst person in the world? No, we can't force celebrities just 'cause of your celebrity, they don't technically owe us anything. - When I see celebrities and they're on the older side or even vice versa when they have body work done, I question whether or not they got that through hard work or they're just genetically like that and what do I have to do to achieve that? And I start internalizing things and my insecurities start coming out. I'm like, why can't I look like that? I've been hip thrusting 500 pounds in the gym and I don't have a booty like Cardi B. You know what I mean? It's like you can work so hard but your genetics only take you so far. And then with aging, like Botox and things like that, I'll start thinking, oh my gosh, I look so ugly there's something wrong with me because I'm not aging gracefully. Nowadays, like seeing celebrities, if they talk about what Botox or things that they've gotten done and it can help me understand, oh, this is what they did and I could just pay to play kind of thing instead of have to worry and wonder what's wrong with my genetics. - And then just always think like, you know, some of the most beautiful people that you will ever see are plagued by insecurity. It's something that they cannot run from. Some of the prettiest women, the most handsome men wake up every morning and agonize over the way that they look and we get these beautiful, you know, getty images of them on our Twitter feed or Instagram or whatever and we don't see that. We don't see what's working behind the scenes. It's working in their own minds and then we terrorize ourselves within security when, you know, they very well may be terrorized by their own and if they're not and they're just fully confident and they're beautiful people and they're beautiful and they love the way that they look and they're totally happy with themselves, that's cool too. But we don't constantly have to be filling our minds with these things and I say to somebody who does it all the time, sometimes you'll see a video of the most gorgeous human being. Every time I see a video or a picture of a gnocchi eye, oh my goodness, does it strike something in my stomach? I'm like, she, you could not have made a more beautiful human. But I don't need to then turn that on myself and feel some sort of hatred. I think like beauty can exist in so many different forms and in so many different ways and it can have nothing to do with aesthetic and everything to do with what's in your mind or how your body works and the way you function and all these different things and we should emphasize that more and not make someone else's beauty and attack on our own. It doesn't have to be that, just be happy. Be happy that that person won this genetic lottery and they get to experience this life of being so gorgeous even though it can be hard to not have that for yourself. - Liposuction for example, I had an eating disorder growing up and that's kind of what fueled my social media originally and a lot of girls are starving themselves to get the tiniest waste possible because I think that's how they did it. - It's also like, if we're all gonna assume that you have it done, then why lie? Like who cares? - Yeah. - We got chairs. - People and in patients in particular have a right to privacy and confidentiality so there's no onus on you to tell us exactly what's been done even if you're a celebrity. My preference is that you don't lie, that you don't say I am natural or I haven't undergone any cosmetic surgeries. My preference is also that you don't try to sell me something like the Kardashians were doing the tummy teas and then you have fitness influencers as you were talking about selling you glute programs and all this stuff. So. - J.Lo with her olive oil. - Exactly. You don't have to tell me all the different things you got done. That is between you and your doctor. Just don't try to sell me this false reality that you're natural. - Yes. (all laughing) - She said that's between me and my patients. - No, because it's true. I mean, there's actual confidentiality laws. I mean, we can't out anyone and I know a lot of celebrities have been brought up here. None of us know what if they've had anything done. None of us know. I mean, we can say we think we know, but we don't know. But again, I've treated tons of normal people and tons of celebrities and it is 100% private and I would never obligate them to speak up about their own personal procedures that they've had done. It's actually law that they have the right to that privacy. - And I think the only people that you can hold accountable is your style. You have to blame a celebrity and have the sole responsibility on a celebrity to out themselves and justify, make you feel secure and expose themselves for you. How can you even ask that? - I have a question for you, actually, as a plastic surgeon, 'cause I go on YouTube and I see these very viral videos of plastic surgeons breaking down celebrity faces and letting the public know what they've got done. - Do you think that that's ethical, given that they are part of that relationship? - I think it's dumb. If you never want to have a celebrity patient, go ahead and do that. (laughs) I was on a panel with someone who has 1.2 million followers on an Instagram account where all they're doing is outing celebrities and I can guarantee you they have zero celebrity patients. I think it's very entertaining. I think everyone wants the tea and everyone wants to know what the scoop is, but as a person. - See, it does show you a little bit where the motivation lies. The motivation does, at least it seems, for her lies in getting more patients and specifically celebrity patients. So it's not necessarily an ethical question of whether or not they should do it. It's a question as to whether or not this will bring me more celebrity patients or less. - And actually treating these people, I would never do that. And that's why, again, I brought up, like, we don't know what these people have had done. So let's see now. We can say, you know, we've been influenced by them and certainly they've set some beauty trends, but, you know, no. I don't want to say it's necessarily, like, I look at a celebrity online and like, oh my God, how do I get that done? Like, if I don't look like that, I'm so insecure, that's not where it comes from. But I just think I'm, like I said, I'm like, I'm a weirdly open book and I'm a little maybe too forward sometimes. Like, I'll look at somebody and one of my friends. I'm like, oh my God, did you get your teeth done? And like, I know that's like super, you shouldn't be doing that. But I'm just like, oh, they look good. Like, where? Like, send me the tea best, see? Like, that's just how I am. But I don't think, should they be obligated to, like, obviously have to, no, but should you? Like, yeah, why lie? - So with that, everyone, thank you for your honesty. Thank you for sharing today. - Thanks, Cott. Thank you for moderating. Yeah, what an interesting episode to be a part of. So many different person of all these different viewpoints, different subject matters and topics. It was very interesting. I don't know what I thought I was going to be walking into. I did wonder who the plastic surgeon was going to be for the episode because, of course, we are in LA. So I'm like, okay, I'm thinking of, like, YouTube plastic surgeons, as I said, I've watched before and I've seen them sort of do their thing where they break down celebrity faces, but it ended up being Shayla, which, we go way back. So that was interesting to be able to have somebody who you know be on the opposite side. And I did want my friend, Risa, to be a part of the show because she's actually on the pro-plastic surgery side of things and you guys know we have a second channel, but maybe someday down the line, we'll debate that on our own channel and go back and forth on that. We are going to get into your super chats and read messages from you guys today from Yojo, just a super chat, no message. I greatly appreciate that. Thank you so much for your support. Our next one here, oh, Yojo, you got your message in, says love you both and your content. Happy Labor Day. Happy Labor Day, everybody. Hope you guys were having a fantastic day off if you have the day off and maybe you're chillin, hangin' out with family, doin' somethin' fun, cool. Celtic Blacksmith says, "Such a much needed treat to see you again, darling. "I haven't had a cigarette in two days now "and I'm starting to twitch." No, I hear quitting cigarettes is really tough. I used to work for a doctor before I started doing everything that I do now and he said it takes the average patient. Should I say this? I don't wanna deter you, but 11 tries to quit cigarettes. So which try are you on, Celtic? And is it the first? And if it's the first and you've made it two days, congratulations, I hope you make it much further. You don't need it. You know, your body knows you don't need it, although it's screaming at you to do it. Timothy W, says I've already watched this video and mom-a-la five, six, seven, eight's with that. Nigerian eloquence popped off from my totally unbiased opinion. Best person there, thank you. Also says, "Also, hope the roller coaster comes to a stop "for your grandmother, omele. "Both of you are in my prayers." Thank you so much, Timothy, that is so sweet. Yeah, my grandmother's had a hard time, man. Hard time. As I said, she had a surgery that was wholly unrelated to everything and was going really well and she was in recovery for that surgery. And on day two of her recovery from that surgery had a medical emergency that was wholly unrelated to it and a very serious medical emergency that ended up in a second emergency surgery. And then there were complications from that and she's been dealing with that and it's gone from ICU to PCU and all these different things. But she's fighting, nobody's business. And it seems, I don't wanna speak too soon, but that she is on the uptrend now. It's been a lot of this. And now we're going back up and I hope we stay on that trajectory. So thank you so much for your thoughts on that. Appreciate it. Hannah Seminek says, "Hey, omele. "I'm a new sub and I love your content." Thank you so much. You are glowing. Could you do a makeup routine? I know that isn't your normal content, but you're sending them looking forward to your future videos. Maybe I'll do a short one of these days. You know how people on TikTok do their makeup and they talk about news stories or their opinions on things at the same time? Maybe we could do some iteration of that so the girlies can see the makeup routine. And hopefully you guys can also get some news or a story out of it. Justin sent a Super Chat No Message, appreciate it. Shelley Bolton says, "Re-aging gracefully. "I agree 100%. "I am now in my 50s and I think of wrinkles and grace "as things I earned." That said to each their own, yeah, 100%. You know how, obviously if you chop down a tree or you look at the rings on the tree, each ring is the year that the tree has been alive and that's how we age, things like that. I think about wrinkles in the very same way. It's just a society's conditioned us to take these as very negative things that have shown up on our face that we need to get rid of, that we need to wipe away and blur and all these different things. But that's an achievement, I don't know. It's another, it's a set of time that your skin has been here, your face has been here and it smiles and frowns and crying and all these different things. And I think it's an honor to be able to carry those things. A-V-J-R says, "Happy Labor Day, Amala. "You always look stunning, thank you. "I hope you're enjoying this day with your loved ones. "Thank you for being you. "Peace, appreciate that. "I hope you guys are enjoying your Labor Day too. "I'm all my family's really back in Florida right now, "dealing with everything that's happening there, "so I might be back there actually in a few days. "So I make no promises when it comes to this live show. "We're gonna try to keep it going this week "as long as we possibly can." Diva Don says, "Amala, if you got beef with Jubilee, "then we got beef with Jubilee. "Amalish amounts up, we ride at Don. "You know they have to edit things out of the episode "to make it run smoothly and to cut down for time. "So I totally understand it." And they edited out the comments of other people too, but to edit out the comment where I say, "And I'm wearing makeup right now." 'Cause you know damn well people are gonna be like, "Oh, you're supporting natural, "but you're wearing makeup." Did me dirty, did me a little dirty. Nicodemus 1984 says, "Good evening. "Why did the cosmetic surgeon refuse to play cards? "Because he was tired of dealing with faces." Wow, okay, good. Sorry, not so easy as a French to come up with a good joke in English. Thanks, and cheers, Nicodemus, nonetheless, you did it. That was a good, Taylor would have really appreciated that joke. So I'm sorry that Taylor is not here. To bask in the glory of that one. Timothy W says, "A lot of these people "probably support more diversity as well, "but wouldn't the very active cosmetic surgery trends "be antithetical to that?" Good point. You'd think that there would be people who, you know, supposedly support diversity and want to see things in all their forms, but are relegating themselves to a few of them by engaging in these cosmetic practices. "Karena says, 'Hi, I'm Allah, starting college soon "and hoping to find like-minded friends. "I'm shy and worried about finding "right-leaning people near Seattle advice." Ooh, to think about that. I mean, I would go into things finding your hobbies and running with your hobbies first. If politics is a hobby, maybe finding clubs that surround those things, but outside of that, like if you have a certain sports hobby or a craft or something that you do outside that's extracurricular, outside of school, going in that direction and then meeting people within those circles, building friends, friends who may or may not be right or left-leaning. And then, you know, the other stuff comes, your values and stuff come through your conversation and sometimes you'll find people who you vibe with on that level and sometimes you don't. It's good to have a wide swath, I think, of friends who are friends with you for different reasons and then maybe hopefully you can get a couple who are like the all-encompassing friends, the besties. So yeah, hobbies, I know if you're shy, it's so difficult to do things like that. But yeah, what would you for shy person? I consider myself pretty shy. I'm never going into a situation like full of strangers and being super, duper comfortable with that and I'm most certainly not extroverted in those situations. I would go and experience clubs and things 'cause if you're a little bit of a wallflower, you can sort of sit on the outskirts a bit and experience things until you're comfortable to move forward and usher yourself forward a little bit but also challenge yourself, you know? Go out and say I'm gonna talk to a few people when I go to this meeting on Saturday or this volleyball event or whatever and see how it goes. Curtis says, oh, I weirdly write Curtis, thank you Curtis for your super chat in the middle of the show, really appreciate that. Timothy W is back again, I'm 18 but I look very young and have conventional beauty. However, I have an extremely healthy lifestyle and work hard to maintain my body naturally. Follow Mother Nature's God's way and beauty will follow. Timothy, you make a good point there and it was a point that was also expressed in the video that a lot of people view cosmetic surgery as their go-to for altering themselves and maybe aren't leading the healthiest lifestyles and my boyfriend actually made this point and it was a point that, you know, it maybe comes to mind but you don't think about that much and he's like, there's nothing that makes you more attractive than leading a healthy lifestyle and being in a healthy body and that is achievable naturally. You do not have to go and go under the knife in order to achieve these things and that is something that like if you're feeling out of two in life, you work out every day, give your body good sustenance, eat a healthy diet, drink lots of water, hydrate, your body will exude the beauty that you pour into it. Doesn't matter what you look like, it's going to help you so much. It's going to make you not only look better but feel better naturally through the natural processes that are occurring in the body when you treat it well. So give yourself the best bet with your insecurities and with your body by leading a healthy lifestyle. Timothy, that's a great point. Bad news badger says when archeologists in 500 years are digging the ruins of LA, the biggest question is not how do the people look back then 'cause they'd be digging up the same fake plastic smiles we look at today. Yeah, you have to think, I wonder, that's a kind of morbid, a morbid thought but how do these, like how does filler decompose in the body? I don't want to think about that for too long. Just a thought, very true though. Arceon says, "Amala, I'm someone with an asymmetrical jawline. "It's a birth defect that I've had since I was a child. "Should I get corrective jaw surgery? "I don't know. "I'm not the person to necessarily consult from that. "I would ask yourself, is it creating functional "health problems for you? "Is this something that is, you know, "affecting the way that your jaw moves, "the way you eat food, the way your teeth work? "Is it becoming a functional problem?" Then maybe consult somebody about what your options are but I would try to go for the least invasive thing first and then work your way down the line. If it's simply an aesthetic thing and it's something that you can't deal with or you feel a deep insecurity towards, of course I'm going to advocate trying to tackle that naturally and not going under the knife. But, as I said at the beginning, I understand the practicality, the practical reasons that people go forward with plastic surgery and I understand the insecurity driven reasons why people undergo plastic surgery. So, it's all about what you want to do. I just want to offer my perspective and you can think on it. Chicken Pork Adobo says I'm saving money to try cosmetic hair transplant surgery because my crown hair is losing more and more hair. Welcome back, Amala, you look amazing. Yeah, I said this in the video. A lot of men are deciding to go get plastic surgery. You got men lengthening their legs through plastic surgery. They're going to Turkey and getting the hair transplants. Veneers are really big with both men and women. There's a lot of things happening. Steroid usage, which is not necessarily cosmetic surgery but has a cosmetic effect, is going up with men. A lot of different strokes for different folks these days. Shelly Bolton says I think mine was $4.99. Just didn't know the protocol. We read it anyways, Shelly, don't worry, LOL. And so she sent her message again about now that being in her fifties, she loves her wrinkles and her grays. She's earned them, which is a beautiful message and worth reading twice, so I appreciate that. Legitley's flunking says there are so many better ways to improve your appearance, diet and exercise, dress and accessorizing hairstyles, photo angles, own your uniqueness, 100% and a double 100% on the diet and exercise. And of course you have accessories and dressing and stuff outside of that. I think a lot can be changed with the first two, the diet, the exercise. And then if you still don't feel fulfilled in the way you look after that, there's so many different ways to learn how to dress for your body type or how to accentuate certain features that you are bestowed with. And yeah, there's just so many options before going to the surgeon. Otaku69 says, said it before, and I'll say it again, Amla, a lot of these problems wouldn't be nowhere near where it is if it weren't for social media. It needs regulation, the glorification of celebrities isn't helping. Yeah, I guess I'm pretty liberty forward when it comes to social media. I don't know that it needs to be regulated as far as aesthetics and things like that. If I was gonna advocate for regulation on that, which I think is sort of around the bend, it'd be people who are lying. So like people who are doing the tummy tees and the workout programs, but they're not disclosing their BBL and their tummy tucks and things like that, they should be slapped with a hammer. The hammer should be brought down for false advertising on that. And I guess that that's a strong form of regulation that I feel like could change things in a lot of ways. But yeah, other than that, it becomes our self-responsibility and the responsibility of parents with children to sort of regulate what's happening online and what they're viewing. Quasicou Le Mafeca says, "The more comfortable society is, the more retarded it becomes," end quote, based quasi, I'm sorry, Amla. I gotta tell it as it is. Oh, also no something from me. All right, no, he's not on the sim train on today's show. Let's see, the more comfortable society is, the more retarded it becomes. Oh, if you think on that, but you know, it does seem, seems pretty true. Seems pretty true. Naylor says, "I speak for the men. We like the real thing. We'd rather have Amazon than Timu." Oh my goodness. I will leave that where it is. I think a lot of you, a lot of the men watching right now, you were in the comments saying that you agree, you prefer a natural, a natural beauty, but you do prefer beauty. Of course, "Quasiculae Mafeca" says, "Perfect Book for this episode, Psycho Cybernetics." I've never heard of that book. I'll have to look it up. Lone Solja, oh my gosh, sorry, Zingetscu. I hope I said your theme, right? I apologize. I have a friend. I took her to Jamaica before she had her ass done. Since she had it, I haven't taken her to the corner store. Nature is beautiful. Damn, she got her ass done and now you won't even take her to the corner store? Wow, that is tragic. You know, BBLs are in. I was flying out of Miami, out of Miami's airport. MIA, I believe the airport is. And I saw many a woman in a wheelchair after that damn BBL. And BBLs are dangerous. I think they're one of the most dangerous cosmetic procedures you can receive because what's happening is you're taking fat from portions of your body and then injecting that fat into your butt and what could happen if the injector is moving that fat in the improper place. It can end up in a vein or major artery and you know, create an embolism. And embolisms are no fun. In fact, they'll kill you. So that's not great, is it? And yeah, you'll have women who get a BBL and they have an amazing butt, right? And they have the Cardi B butt or the Nicki Minaj butt and then boom, they dropped dead. Is that worth it? Probably not. Erin N says, "I had a few insecurities about my body "when I was in my early 20s. "I feel if I had gotten surgeries, "it would have robbed me from the growth "of overcoming those insecurities "and the added confidence." Yeah, have you ever seen like, just a person doesn't matter, man or woman. And they're not particularly, I don't know, conventionally attractive. And then you just like hear them speak or you see their vibe or like the energy, the aura that they bring to the function. And you're like, damn, that person is so attractive. And you know, they're probably dealing with their own insecurities, but it's something that they've tackled and they've become so comfortable with themselves that they just exude comfort. It makes you attracted to them. Maybe they become like a magnetic force because of the work that they've done on themselves. But if they listened to every single insecurity and they're like, okay, I'll get the rhinoplasty. I'll get my boobs and I'll get that. Then you sort of lead with that. And it does sort of lead with the message that you're not necessarily comfortable with yourself. And now I don't know if you know how comfortable I feel. Like there's not a lot of confidence being exuded in those choices. And we're all on that journey of like acceptance and confidence and learning who we are and being like unabashedly ourselves. And that's okay. You know, we don't have to be there today. But when you get there, I bet that's an amazing feeling. And you can rob yourself of that feeling as Aaron said, of, you know, by deciding to go under the knife and not choosing to stick it out and see it through. You gotta see it through, my boy. You must see it through. Timothy W says, "Why do people not work on Labor Day? "Shouldn't it be called no Labor Day? "If I was in charge of the calendar, "people would work longer on Labor Day." Oh my gosh, well, we're not putting him in office. Timothy, let these people have their day off. What are you doing? Trying to make them work a lot longer on Labor Day. Celtic Blacksmith says, "First try was done for me when I went to jail in 2017. "This is try number three. "If I get it this time, "it means I'm way above average, right?" Right? Yeah, Celtic, you know, this is your third try? Quinton Smokes, and you make it happen. You are above average. You are above the average smoke cessation period. And you know what, for that, you should feel proud and let that motivate you to go further than many have before on your third try. Quinton Sigs. LA Native says, "If I have fake legs and I want to sell you shoes, "do I have to tell you about my lost leg first?" Not necessarily. I don't think you do. If you have fake legs and you're trying to sell me a leg day program, however, you're gonna have to tell me that you have fake legs. That'd be pretty fucked up, if you have a whole ass prosthetic leg and you're trying to sell me like, you know, a leg day program. That's what I'm talking about, LA Native. But shoes are shoes. The shoes are the shoes no matter what you got in the shoes. Lillian says, "Hi Amla, I'm 23, "and I've been watching for three years. "I run a slow fashion seamstress business in Montana "and love watching your content when I sew. "And your business is plain to the ridge. "Love your takes." And you too, Taylor. Taylor is not here, but he can probably hear this. I think he's watching right now. Lillian, thank you so much and I'll have to look up your little seamstress business that you're going on. I was watching, of course, I've been in the hospital, you know, looking out for my grandma or whatever, and there were these old ladies in the hospital. And one of them was just like sewing and crocheting and knitting and all these different things. I'm like, "Damn, that's a lost skill. "It's a skill that I don't have. "I should learn how to do that." So I commend you for knowing how to do that. Quasicoule Mefeca says, "A person who only treats the physical," sorry. "A person who only treats the physical "has not treated their whole selves. "It may not be mainstream, but you're more than a physical "being hashtag-based quasi." Quasi, you're always coming in with the good takes, something to think about, to pontificate upon, okay? Yeah, you're more than the physical, you really are. And hopefully, we can all realize that about ourselves. And if we don't feel fulfilled in the physical, we can feel fulfilled in the other ways, in other ways. Elinative, so there must have been a lot of depressed and suicidal people before any of these new technology procedures, you know? One might think that, but actually, depression and suicide seems to be on the up trend as we're getting all these new technological procedures. Why might that be? Because they're probably a sign of an unhealthy society. And we shouldn't be doing them in the first place, but here we are, and they're actually breeding more anxiety, more suicidal ideation, and more depression. How about that? Timothy W. says, "Would you work on a day called Relaxation Day?" Exactly. (laughs) Timothy, I love that you feel strongly about the name Labor Day, and you are now launching a crusade to have the name change, or have people work more on Labor Day. And you know what? It's an interesting hill to die on, but it's a hill nonetheless, and I wish you luck on your journey towards relaxation day, or towards having people work more on Labor Day, and we'll see how that goes for you. That was our last super chat on Labor Day, guys. Thank you so much for watching the show today. Let me know your thoughts on all the different topics we discussed in today's episode, and let me know how you feel. If you disagree with anything I said in this video, I encourage healthy debate on this channel, so do get out but do so respectfully, and if you like this video, like, subscribe. Click the notification bell to be notified every single time I'm live, which is typically Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 1 p.m. Pacific, 3 p.m. Central, 4 p.m. Eastern, but, you know, I've got some family stuff going on, so. We don't know about that, but you're still gonna have videos. In fact, tomorrow's video is about Star Wars, the Acolyte, the lead actress in Middle of Stenberg, has responded to the show being canceled and not receiving a second season on Disney Plus. What does she have to say? She's gonna blame you, you racist, bigots. And do you feel like a racist bigot if you didn't like Star Wars, the Acolyte? I guess you are one, according to Middle of Stenberg. So we'll respond to that tomorrow, and we'll catch you live on Wednesday, guys. Thank you so much for watching. One last super chat from Arlinda, who says, "Hello from Greece. "Get a personality in your golden." Get a, was that a, was that? I can't tell if that's a dig, or if you're giving general advice for people to get a personality, and that will make them golden. I'm gonna take it as the second one is advice. (laughs) Um, guys, thank you so much for watching, and yes, get a personality in your golden. I can't wink. Do you guys notice that? That's why I have to turn my head and pretend like I'm not blinking both of us. (laughs) All right, guys, bye. I will see you tomorrow. Bye. [BLANK_AUDIO]
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