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Go to linkedin.com/results to claim your credit. That's linkedin.com/results. Terms and conditions apply. Linkedin, the place to be to be. Into the three o'clock hour, we rolled Tony Gwen, Jr. Chris Ello, Matt Scravey. We were going to do a little daily gambit, but we've got some other topics we can cover. We'll push the daily, the gambit, bad, another segment or two Padres back in action again. Tonight, Giants in town, three games set before the Padres head out on one of the last two road trips of the season. You got three, no, you got, well, we got nine game, nine home games left for the pods. Including tonight, right? Including tonight. You got this, you got the Astros and you got the White Sox. You got the White Sox and then you have on the road, you got two in Seattle, you got three in San Francisco, three in LA, three in Arizona. 11 on the road. 11 on the road, 19 games left. By the way, quick programming note, everybody. I was thrilled to see this today. I say that with a lot of anger. Tonight's game is the Apple TV Plus game again. You know. God, why do we keep drawing those games now? I know that's great because we all listen on the radio. And if you have Apple TV, you can listen to Tony and Jesse or watch the game and listen to them. So for that part, it's good. But for the rest of you out there, not everybody has Apple TV Plus and you want to watch the ball game tonight, you can't do it. Fair enough. You can't watch it. But you can listen to it, 97, three to fan. Still have Jesse and I here. You know, it's funny as I forgot it was Apple. But I should have known because Dave Marcus, not a fan of Apple TV, it messes up the whole gig, right? Because we get a game feed. Anytime ESPN or Apple TV comes in, game feed is delayed. And now, of course, the delay doesn't really affect Dave, but he cares immensely about Jesse and I. And our feed being delayed. And so I think we've come a custom to dealing with it. We know kind of going in. It's going to be what Apple is like about. It's probably pretty delayed in ESPN. It's pretty delayed. So you got to make the adjustments. But that doesn't make things easy on my man Dave Marcus. But I had forgotten until I looked across. And I see my man D train on the other side. That's where it was. Doing the Apple game today. So that was a reminder. Currently, right now, Haasan Kim getting a sim game in right now with some minor leagueers they have called up here. It looks like it's just ending here, which is a good thing. So you know, Padres is for as nice as that lineup looks with Fernando Tatis in it. It's going to get a little deeper with the Haasan Kim coming back. You know, shitty return here soon. Yeah, Haasan go bad eighth. I would think when he comes back and Higashioka will slot down to ninth or whoever's catching. We already talked about the fact that the Padres catchers, you know, Campusano included. I know everybody's down on Ole Luis right now. But you know, 83 RBIs from that catcher position. That's not bad in the number nine hole, which is what the Padres will have pretty soon. So yeah, it's a good thing. I mean, those people who are down at Campus are the same people that want Suarez to be removed from his closer spot here. Yeah, he's done. Yeah, no more Suarez, no more campy. Like basically, to some of you fans, in a game which is more failure than anything else, baseball, after all, good hitters are only successful. 30, you know, little over 30% of the time. Great hitters are only successful. Great hitters, right. But people in a game that is more failure oriented don't want any players on their team who ever fail. So I don't know what you want to put on the team then because Fernando was 0 for 4 last night. So it's probably time to move on from him. Machado, I don't think had to hit last night. Get rid of him. He's got a bad night. Jackson Marrow was 0 for 4 also. Get him off the team. And did not come through and hit a game winning home run in the bottom of the ninth when he had the chance to-- He's washed. He's washed. This guy should be ashamed of themselves out there. I did see quite a few washed comments last night. Oh, I'm sure. Get out of here. That's not even you saw that. I did. I didn't say it. That's the first. That's the favorite. That's the favorite new slang is washed. Yeah, washed means you're just terrible. You're done. You're the one that I saw that really made me, you know, angry with Suarez, you just cannot afford to pitch him on back-to-back games. And I didn't go through, but how many times did he pitch back-to-back games this year and been-- For every time. The one that irritated me the most was-- He throws to me fastball. Was it a problem when he threw like 90 straight fast balls at the beginning of the season? It was mowing everybody down. No one got to hit off him? No. It wasn't a problem now. People-- I will say this about the year series. Oh, stop. I don't think it's a bad to use them on back-to-back nights. Don't make yourself look bad here. But I-- Thanks, Chris. Trying to help you. But he was used on Monday. He was used on Wednesday. He was used last night. OK? So I'm not sure-- Well, what's your point here, buddy? I'm not sure if that was too much usage for a four-day period, three days out of the four. Did you go through like the previous four days and previous four days and previous four days? Let me see. Well, he had a bunch of time off, so that's OK. He did-- he went back-to-back, and then he had a day off. I don't know that he's done three and four often. Tony, Tony, you don't get to answer this question. OK. This is all for you, Scrabby. What are you doing tonight, manager Matt Scrabby, with a two-run lead bottom of the night-- Well, I don't think Scrabby is available. Scrabby is out? Who's going to close the game for you tonight? No, wait, wait. Manager of Matt Scrabby says he would think so. So where are we going? I mean, three out of the last four days. OK, he's out. Where are you going? I just asked you. Where are you going? See you. Tanner Scott pitched in all those games. Jason Adam pitched in all those games. Who's finishing tonight, manager Scrabby? Scrabby forgot that those guys pitched in all those games. Yes, you did. I would say manager Scrabby. I mean, I think you've got to go with more at home, right? More at home to close tonight, Tony. He's the next up, right? All right. We'll see what they do. Let's hope. Let me see what we got here. Let's see what they do. More at home, winning inning. The other day Scrabby's going to more at home for the close. Well, if you can't use Scott, you can't use Adam. Well, I know the one guy that has pitched in all-- Scott has pitched in every game in that last series. Yeah, he's been everywhere. The only guy that has any rest right now, if you're only going by that, is Brian Hoeing. He didn't pitch in the game. But I feel like he's going to have to pitch some point, like, eat up some innings in the middle of the game. Michael King's going eight and hoeing in close. I find that. That's the plan, manager Scrabby. We're seeing a strata in the chat. And the reason I don't-- Jeremiah Strata hasn't been as crisp as he was earlier in the year. So I don't know that I trust him with the closing-- Guys, you're hilarious. The season-- the season has taken a disastrous turn for the worse in just a matter of one swing of the bat. Exactly. This is what happens when you lose on the last pitch of the game, basically. I know. I wasn't-- I thought like-- I was just stunned that it actually went out. Everybody was like-- I think everybody-- I was stunned. I thought the same thing, Chris, that the ball came off the bat and I immediately looked for pro far. When I saw the back of his jersey, I know A, he wasn't playing shallow. So I was like, he's running out of space. And that ball doesn't look like it's coming down in quick enough, quickly enough. And I think everybody was surprised by it. So you turn the page. I don't know that there's an easy answer in terms of, what do you do tonight? Because literally Adam-- It's a fair question, actually. Because everybody's been used. Everybody, Adam, Scott, Suarez have thrown all three games in that series. It's strata through in yesterday's the day before he had the Monday off. He didn't pitch in that game. It was pretty straightforward. But I'm pretty sure he pitched in the game before that. I think Alex Jacobs should have broken the news to us on our interview that he's closing tonight. He's closing tonight. Whoa, we do have Yuki Matsui. He's only pitched one day in the month of September. If everybody wants Yuki Matsui as a closer, go for it. There you go. Never mind. How about we just win the game 11 to 2, and then-- That also would help. Yes, and then you could go close, Scott. A little blowout would go a long way. Before we lose time, I want to get to this, because it fits into the category of something Chris and I talk about in today's media landscape of-- I don't know. In this case, it's not even a rush to be first. It's just a rush to get some clicks. I saw this on Instagram today. And I was almost like blown away that ESPN and Sports Center had actually posted it as a legitimate post. And the post was taken off of a Twitter-- or excuse me-- an ex-statement, basically. And it was some Rando basically saying that Mark Andrews was playing left tackle, and he was sorry that his fantasy football season was over. And at first glance, I looked at it and I was like, wait, why is he playing left tackle? And so I look a little bit closer, only to see that he's not even playing left tackle. He's in the slot. And so I say this because Sports Center took a random tweet and posted it on their account, which is supposed to be a legitimate, news-based sports platform. You'd like to believe it is. And so you get the people-- it is not a big deal. I'm not saying you're saying this is a tragedy that this has happened, that Sports Center is doing. But it just goes to show you where and why people feel the way they feel about news outlets in general, because it's not just a sports thing. This is across the board. They put that up there to get clicks, because clearly he's in the slot. I mean, he's set up like a wide receiver. He's not in like a offensive lineman stance. If you count the people who are on the line, he's like seven. So he's not even on the line. But I just brought that up. He just wanted everybody to look at it. Because every Mark Andrews' fantasy owner out there was like, oh, yep, you like-- 100% they like to. How many fantasy leagues do we think there are in the country? Millions. Right? A million at least. So that means a million people own Mark Andrews. That means a million people are disgruntled today. Is there only like a million likes? Including my wife, who's blaming me for it. Speaking that John Harbaugh was like, hey, man, why don't you go play left tackle for us today? We need the blocking there. John Harbaugh, man. When I saw it, I was like trying to figure out what was happening. Like Tony was like, are they actually telling me that Mark Andrews moved to left tackle? There's just like a newsworthy for me? No, it was just a fantasy player who's mad at Mark Andrews. Yeah. It's hilarious. Before we let you go, Tony, I want to give you the last word. Well, we did not get a chance yesterday. And it really was our oversight. We were so into the opening night of football and everything. But Alex Morgan, a great San Diego athlete and great United States athlete. Announcing a retirement from soccer, going to play in her final match here on Sunday. I believe there are some tickets still available. Scrabies say to them on the match. It's some affordable tickets. If you want to see Alex Morgan. But Tony, I'll let you talk. I mean, what she has meant to young ladies in our country is the one thing that we don't look upon enough as grizzled journalists. People are saying, well, she hasn't scored any goals lately. And she didn't make the US World Cup team and her plays going downhill. I don't look at any of that. I just look at what Alex Morgan has meant to a lot of people in this country, mostly young women. Yeah, listen, there are times where you can critique the athlete based on what they're doing on the field. But there is also another level to it where an athlete has done so much for a said sport. It has accomplished so much in said sport. As they get to the back end of their career, I don't know that they should be judged as harshly. And I think Alex Morgan falls into that category. She-- I mean, I have three girls. You guys know this. And that's a name that came up in our household a lot. And I posted it on my platform yesterday when she announced it. My daughter, who doesn't have Instagram, by design, didn't see it. So she posted-- she sent it to our family text message board that we have. And it was a sad day for her. She is sad that Alex Morgan is no longer going to play a sport that she probably started playing because she saw Alex Morgan playing at one point. This is one of the most popular soccer players in American history. Without a doubt. And you don't even have to put women's history in that phrase. You can just say-- Well, one of the most well decorated soccer players we've ever had. And you know what's pretty cool is I can remember when she was like the young one that was coming into that soccer-- that United States soccer team. And now she's the one that's walking off into the sunset. She's congratulations to Alex. She's expecting her second child. I think that also played a part into this retirement. But she's done-- I think she said-- I read some words. She said, I've done everything I can for the sport of women's soccer. Just think about where it's advanced. She's not the only one that should be credited with it. She's certainly a big part of it. The pay gap that has been closed and that's a specific sport. We have a full women's league that is thriving now, in part, because of how especially-- How much does she have to do with the fact that the WSL-- The WSL? That's an old league. The WSL? That's another league that I work for. Sorry. God's free. Yeah, the NWSL. How much did she have for that that exists here in San Diego? I was just about to say that. I was just about to say the mere fact that she came here for this startup organization in its first year. And the reason why it's popular in a large part is because of how much success they had in that first year. And she was the biggest part of it. She was scoring goals at a crazy clip. I think she led the league in scoring that year, the first year. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, kudos to Alex Hatsofter for the incredible career she's had. And the incredible work she's done in terms of women's sports overall. She's a big part of that story. 123 career goals as a national team member, the fifth leading scorer ever. And they break it down here. It's pretty interesting to me. All of the countries that they've played against, all the way down to she has a goal in her career against Guatemala and one against Belgium and one against a couple against Haiti. And she's been all over the world doing this and doing it well. So we were lucky to have her play here in San Diego to finish up her career. Good luck to Alex Morgan for sure. All right, that's going to do it for this segment. I have to bow out. You guys will hear from me a little bit later. But it's time to go to Padre work now. So it's gravy and Chris will take over from here more Gwen and Chris on the other side of some track. 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Boy, I wonder how Sammy did last night on the post game show. - I listened to a little bit of it. - How do you do? - 'Cause that was a tough one. That had to be a tough post game show to do is, it was hard enough just to get in the car and drive home. - I guarantee you, he was waiting next to the field to go down and interview someone. - Yeah. - And then that happened and then Sam's like, what do I do now? - He just had to go back up to the press box with his tail between his legs like everybody else did. - Yeah, that's a bummer. - Yeah, that was a tough loss. As losses go, that's right up there. But you can, you know, erase it pretty much if you can just come back when tonight. We'll see. Michael King goes out there against Bob Melvin's Giants, kicking off a three game series. 19 games remaining in the regular season for the Friars. Their lineup is out, by the way. And for the Padres, it's the same as it's been, the rise to tease Profar, Machado, thank you very much. - What was our, Bobby Cressy, I believe, is there? - Oh yeah, Bobby Cressy. - Organized. - Yeah. - We're gonna step Machado, Croninworth, Bogart's, Merrill, Higashioka, and McCoy. The nine for Mr. Shilt this evening. All right, let's, we got to sneak in because we got our countdown. We got a lot to do, a quick daily gambit. - Do you like money? I think about money, a lot. - Do you like money without doing anything? - Uh, dark, winning. - Do you wanna make money while watching sports? - I think Washington is immortal luck. - Washington, woo hoo! - If you answer yes, this is your segment. Just don't blame us when you lose. - Nothing is ever your fault. - It's okay. Take it. (upbeat music) - When in Cress, go through the top bets of the day in the Daily Gambit on 97.3, the fan. - Daily Gambit's our daily sports betting segment here on Gwen and Chris, please everybody gamble responsibly. Now let's go through these bets really quick that we made yesterday. Patrick Holmes, over under 271 and a half passing yards. Chris and I said under, we were wrong. He was over 291 yards. Were she rice over under 62 and a half receiving yards? Chris went under, I went over and I won the bet, but I was playing against them in fantasy. He had 103 yards. - You didn't wanna win the bet? - No, yeah. - Derek Henry, over under eight and a half receiving yards. We both went over, think he's got one. He caught two balls, but he got nearly yards, so he had zero yards. - No, he had no catches, he had two targets. - Two targets, that's what he has, so he didn't catch any. - Lamar Jackson, over under 47 and a half rushing yards. You said over, I said under, you were very right. - He went way over, he had 122 rushing yards. Kansas City, three point favorites in the game last night. Both of us chose the Ravens. We were both wrong, Kasey won by seven. Total points in the game, over under 47. It doesn't matter what we said, because it was 47. - Push. - So we push. - Yeah. - Advantage, push. And then Derek Henry, over under 64 and a half rushing yards. You went over, I went under, he was under with 46. Travis Kelsey, over under 56 and a half receiving yards. You were under, I went over, you were correct, 34 yards. No one's talking about Travis Kelsey. You didn't do anything. - No, he did nothing. - Very good. - They're talking about Mark Andrews, but no one's talking about Travis Kelsey. - Yeah, for some reason. I wonder why? - Because we're tired of talking about Travis Kelsey. - That could be true. - Yeah. - Kelsey Fatigue. - We only had four targets for Kelsey, that's a little strange. I must say. - Didn't Noah Gray have like, how many did Noah Gray had? - Noah Gray had three targets. - Oh, but he had a lot more yards, right? - A couple more. - Just a couple more. - A couple more. - All right, so Pagula, Jessica, Jessica Pagula, minus two and a half in the U.S. Open over Mugava? - Yes. - Mugava. Pagula wins the match, but she only won by one game. - That's right. - So me and you win by picking Mugava. - Mugava pulls through for us on that one. - Janik's center in his match against Draper, Draper. Oh yeah, I keep wanting to say Don Draper, but I think that's Mad Men. - Isn't it? - Don Draper's in Mad Men. - Yes. - Yes. - It was over under 35 and a half total games in the match, and we both went under, and we just found the result. It just happened. They went 33 games in center one that. - Center one in straight sets, so we won that one as well. - Final one, Padres, Tigers, over under eight, total runs of the game. Crispin over, I went under, it was under with seven. - This should have been under with three. - It should have been under with three. - It wasn't unfortunately. But by the way, we make fun of ourselves on our daily game, because we miss a lot of picks. - We do, we do. - So I fought last night for fun. I would write down the picks of the ESPN television expert. - What's his name? - Joe Fortenbaugh. - Oh, that's right. - He comes on there like, you know, just a bad out of hell. He knows everything. - He makes all these-- - He'll be rich. - Right, he makes all these wagers, you can't lose. He made three picks last night. - Oh, I can't wait. - Under 46 and a half points. - Okay. - Isaiah Pacheco, over 78 and a half rushing receiving yards. Lamar Jackson, under 19 and a half completions. Congratulations, Joe Fortenbaugh. - Oh, and three, my friend. - Wow, they're not putting those up on the stream. - No, they never put that up on the TV. So I thought I would just let you know that even the experts find it difficult to pick this stuff. - You just open something in my mind, maybe one day, they honestly need to put the records of the people that are on TV so you can know whether or not they're right. - But it's embarrassing. They can't bring Joe Fortenbaugh and then underneath in, you know, a way sitting there and says his overall record is 14 and 61. - Yeah. - Yeah, he's, you know, listen to this guy's picks. - But I guarantee you people are listening to this stuff. - I know they are. - And they're running out and betting on this stuff. You and I have as good a chance if not better. - True. - I'm getting it right. All right, here's real quick for tonight. I got a bunch of stuff 'cause it's the weekend. So follow, eagles to over packers. - Eagles that too. - Scrabby tonight in Brazil. - I'm gonna go pack. - All right, goes pack. I'm gonna go eagles. I think the eagles are gonna have a good year. Who has more rushing yards tonight? Say quads Barkley making his debut or Josh Jacobs making his. - Oh, wow. - I'll say Josh Jacobs because I'm playing against him in fantasy and I'm unlucky that way. - I will say, say quads. - Say quads Barkley more rushing yards tonight, okay? Passing yards, who has more? Jalen Hertz, Jordan Love. Scrabby. - That's a good one. - I thank him. I thought you'd like it. - If the pack win Jordan Love has more passing yards. So I'll go with Jordan Love. - Jordan Love. - Yep. - I'm gonna say Jordan Love 'cause the packers are gonna lose and then they'll be trying to catch up. I'll say Love. Tomorrow night, Oregon State comes here to take on the Aztecs who got some bad news by the way. They're starting left tackle out for the year. - Oh no. - Injury, sandy mistake. Don't have the young man's name in front of me but best of luck to him. But that hurts your ball club. - It does. - Blind side, you know, pass protector for your impressive quarterback. Oregon State favored by six over the Aztecs. Obviously I'm gonna go with the Aztecs but I'd be honest with you. I would not bet heavy on that. 'Cause we just don't know enough now. - No we don't. - We don't. - We saw one good half. - Right. - Three half. - Uh, I don't know-- - You didn't go to San Diego State. So if you really wanna do it, I won't get that mad at you. - I'm a beaver. - So you're taking them. I'm taking the beavers. LSU by 48 and a half over nickel state. You love these, that's why I put them in. - Hey at least they played a good team in their first game. - They did and they lost. - I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say nickel state. - You're going with nickel state. - Yeah. - Good for you. If LSU doesn't win this game by 50, they're gonna be in the nickel seats. - Oh, hell. - I'll take LSU. One of the better games of the day, Oregon 19 over Boise State, Oregon's at home. Oregon only beat Idaho by 10. You know Boise State's better than that, but I'll still take Oregon 'cause I bet they get the coach got their attention this week and said you guys better shape up. Oregon minus 19. - Oh, I heard that. I didn't, uh, I'm gonna go with Boise. - Gonna go with Boise. Boise. - Boise. - Yes, we've spent a lot of time getting that right on this show. - WNBA tonight. Caitlin Clark's in action. 20 and a half points. Taking on one of the better teams of the night, the Minnesota links. 20 and a half for Caitlin over under. - I'm just gonna keep going over, stay over. I'm gonna go under just 'cause Minnesota's very good. And then if she goes under all of the angel Reese for president, people will come out. Leave these two kids alone and just let them play basketball and do great things. Everybody is trying to embroil them in controversy. - That's true. - It's driving me crazy. If you go on Twitter like I do, you do. Everything is, you know, Caitlin Clark sucks. No, she doesn't. Angel Reese should stop tipping the ball. Leave her alone. They're rookies. They've both been amazing. Just let them be amazing. - We don't live in that world though. We don't live in that world. - I know. And it's this big thing who's gonna win Rookie of the Year. They're the only two that don't care. - It's kind of like Pride Paul Skins and Jackson Maris. - Yeah. Anyway, all right, one more. Michael King tonight. - Mmm. - Six and a half strikeouts. Over, under. He's due to be back on the beam. I'm gonna go over. - Me too. - Okay. - Back on the beam. - We're good. We'll see how we do on Monday. There's our picks. - Okay. - All right, when we come back, count down time. What is our topic today? You'll have to come back to find out. Tony rejoins us and we'll get you that. Fun stuff with more going and Chris on the way. (upbeat music) Coming up on our count down. Welcome back, winning Chris. If you love Mediterranean food, try Spiro's authentic Mediterranean cuisine, the best. Corn out of La Jolla. Petco Park as well for dining or take out options Spiro's Cuisine.com. All right, we got a lot to get to in the count down, so let's check traffic. (upbeat music) - It's now time for Gwen and Chris to rank their top five of the day. Gonna grip and rip as usual. - This isn't just a regular top five list. - I love it, it sounds terrific, but I love it. - This is the countdown. And it starts right now on 97.3, the fan. - All right, it's that time of week where we pick a topic, count down our favorite five in that topic. So I think we've picked kind of a wide ranging one today. The category, and we can go a whole bunch of different spots with this is our favorite five sports documentaries, five documentaries. And there are so many to choose from now. I mean, when you think about feature films that were documentaries, there's some classics there, but now with Netflix coming along and with Hulu. - Netflix and the pandemic too. - Yeah, right, and 30 for 30. And everybody else, you know, it's doing sports docs. We even talked about this yesterday, Tony. I don't know if you're out on this, but like the Hard Knocks series on HBO, is it getting to a point where it might get a little stale just in the sense that we have so much access all over the place now? You know, we got the quarterback show, we got the receivers show, we've got the Hard Knocks, we've got, you know, every other thing that takes us behind the scenes, are we ever gonna get jaded as a viewing audience and that's not enough for us anymore? - I mean, there's only so much. I do think you're right, right? I think there is a risk of over saturating, you know, all of our, all of the audience with too much of the same thing or different versions of the same thing. I don't know, it depends. I don't think they're doing another quarterback version. I know they've moved on to wide receivers and it's more about the individuals than it is. - Yeah. - The team aspect, which I think Hard Knocks has kind of got the jump on and I think they could be playing themselves by doing the end season, the off season. Like, you're gonna, you're like, and I guess there's only, I guess on Hard Knocks, like the one they play on HBO is the regular season, pre-season one. I guess that you have to qualify for that, right? Like you can't be in it unless you fit like certain criteria. - I know teams even wanna do it. - Right, and less teams wanna do it, right? So maybe that keeps it somewhat fresh 'cause you're only seeing like good, somewhat good teams during the regular season. I don't know who's done it that's been like really good. It seems like everybody else is like fighting to be there at that point. So I don't know, it could, there is a chance of over saturating it though. - Yeah, you can go behind the scenes pretty much anywhere, but this is a sports documentary. So we'll begin our countdown, top five, and we'll start with the man who came up with the idea for the category earlier today. His name, Matt's great. - Thanks, Chris. - Number five. - My number five is actually going to be, I think it was a 30 for 30, I'm pretty sure it was, but it's called the Two Escobar's. And I got- - Oh yeah, that was a good one. - I watched Narcos a couple months ago, and I got really into the whole Pablo Escobar thing, which then led me to this documentary, and it was crazy. - It was an unbelievable story. - Well, recount the story of what you remember, yeah. - Yeah, so one of the players for the Colombian team made a mistake during one of the World Cup Games. - He scored an own goal- - Yes, yes. - Against the United States in the 1994 World Cup- - And then he was murdered. - At the Rose Bowl. And no more than a month later, if even that long, he was murdered. - Yeah, that's right. And his last name was Escobar. - Yes, and they were right around the time of- - Tied him to the drug king in Escobar. - Yeah. - And he was tied into that team, correct, if I'm not mistaken. - He was tied into, I'm not sure if he was actually like tied into the team, but he was definitely tied into soccer within the Colombian country, so he may have been in the background. It was kind of a frightening documentary when you- - It was. - It was, it was freaking out, so that's right. - Imagine that happening. - Yep. - And that was 30 years ago, before Twitter and everything else. - Yeah. - But anyway. - All right, Tony, what's your number five? Sports Doc. - Number five on my list is a sports doc that took place when I was seventh, eighth grade, maybe. - Hoop Dreams. - Yeah. - That's number five on mine. It was a really, really good documentary. It was really one of the things that got me like really going on basketball. - That was the first one that followed a young person, right? - Yeah. - It was a couple of guys, Arthur, A.G. and another guy, and they tried, just followed their entire high school career. - William Gates. - Right, William Gates. - Yeah. - And did they, you know, would they make it to the NBA and how they followed their, it was pretty intense. - It was, it was pretty intense. It was like our first like real documentary like that. - Yeah. - And I think we connected, young people connected to, 'cause it was a young, two young people that they were, were following at the time. So, yeah, that's, that's number five on my list. - All right, I'm gonna beat Tony to this one. I don't know if he had it on his list, but I know that he liked it. And I just watched it myself and I loved it. I don't know if it would stay on the test of time, but for this week anyway, my number five is the Greg Maddox documentary that just ran on MLP Network, all right? - That was good. - I told everybody about it earlier this week. I said, you gotta watch it, it's that good. But I, I nerd it out over it, just like you did Tony. You know, all of, you know, sitting there and talking to Maddox about, you know, pitching and thinking about it and making a mind game of all of it was just right up my alley. But there were some other really great stories about Greg Maddox that I didn't, I didn't know. I don't think a lot of people knew. And I, I thought it was really well done. So, I would highlight that one for anybody to go blind and watch. - Number four. - My number four is going to be something from Netflix. It came out maybe a year or two ago, but we talked about it on the show. I felt that the untold Manti Tale story was very interesting. - That was legit. - Because they had the person who, who, what's the word, I'm like catfished him. They had that exact person. And so you've got them in the mind of the person who was catfishing Manti Tale, as well as getting what Manti Tale was feeling throughout the whole thing. And I feel bad for Manti Tale. - I thought he handled it pretty well. - Yeah, I did too. - Yeah. - It doesn't seem like he, yeah, I would be very angry, but he seems like he's kind of at peace with what happened. But yeah, that was interesting. Chris, or Tony, you're up. - Yeah, that was embarrassing for old Manti. - Is it me? - Yeah, you're up. Number four. - Number four. This one was sneaky good. And I think, I think as it happened before, you know, I was really engaged in sports that I knew some of it, but I didn't know all of it. And number four is another 30 for 30. It's Al Davis versus the NFL. And I didn't know, I mean, you knew there was some distrust and dislike between the two sides, but I didn't know it was that deep. Like Al Davis was running circles around the NFL. He really was. I mean, he got his way in most of it. And they kind of highlights in AI. They use, this is like, they used AI with... - Oh, that's that one. - Yeah, they used AI to kind of tell the story a little bit, but I thought this one was pretty good. That was a sneaky good. Number four of my words. - Yeah, I got to see that. - I believe that, you know, in the same way that a lot of people thought that the Pete Rose situation contributed to the death of the commissioner at the time, Art Bartiumati, it's the same thing with the Al Davis thing. That Al Davis, fighting with Pete Rosel, finally just was enough to cause the death of Pete Rosel. It was the commissioner's time. Pete Rosel was a heavy smoker. But Al Davis, they say, pushed him over the top. My number four is gonna be one that basically saved all of our lives. And I think we're all in the same category because in the summer of 2020, it was bleak. And we had nothing, unfortunately, except for a weekly feature called The Last Dance. And I don't know how we would have done this radio show without The Last Dance, frankly. We talked about it all week, every week, and every time a new episode came out. But it's a little bit of a homework pick, too, 'cause it was about my favorite team, you know, the '90s Chicago Bulls. But it was pretty cool, and it was great background and a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff that I think people liked. And to have Michael Jordan kind of taking us all through those that decade while he was sipping on how many scotches we'll never know. 'Cause his eyes are getting a little glassy. - Wasn't his eyes glassy? - That's all I can think of when I think. Remember? - That's from those freaking Cuban cigars. - Yeah, sure. - It was just glassy-eyed the entire time. But The Last Dance will be my number four. - All right, well, I learned in The Last Dance that he didn't let Horace Grant have any-- - Yes, I know. It's the only thing you took from that. - It's the only thing, literally, the only thing I took from it is for number three. My number three is something that Chris told me about years ago. It was called The Alpine-ness. And I can't remember the dude's name, but he was a free-- - This was interesting. - It was like a free mountain climber who'd use no ropes to climb things. And he climbed the biggest mountains in the world with no ropes, and so they followed him around. And he, spoiler alert, he ends up dying in the end, but he was like a guy who didn't care if he died while climbing a mountain. Like that's what he did. - Did he die falling? - He died in an avalanche. He got caught in an avalanche. He did not actually die trying to free climb a mountain. - Yeah, he didn't die falling off of a mountain. - No, but he died and he got caught in an avalanche, but it's still on Netflix. You could find it somewhere. - It's good. - It's pretty interesting, and the thing I always watch, when I watch it, I always think, well, how about the guy who's the cameraman who's right next to him, climbing up the hill too? - Right, and then they're sleeping on the side if I think it was half dome, or it, they put-- - It's pretty good. - They put cots on the side of a mountain there. I can't even imagine that. - That's crazy. - Yeah, this is asking for you. - It really is. I sleepwalk. I mean, can you imagine we sleepwalking off of a mountain? - We sleepwalk right off the floor. - Just like, oh, but here we go. - That wouldn't be good, Scrape. All right, Tony. - This is three, two. - This is three. I'm running out already. - Catholics versus Confit. - Another great 33, really good one. 'Cause, you know, again, this happened at a time where I was alive and I was well aware of things, but you don't know the depths in which some of this stuff kind of took place. This was a really good one. I mean, the kids in Notre Dame having the church made, and like, it was making so much of money off of 'em, too. I thought this was a really well told story about those two, you know, getting after each other. - Oh, yeah. And nothing, I mean, no sports quote in history may match that of Jerome Brown. The Jerome Brown who would go on to be a great player for the Eagles and then die, I believe, in a tragically, in a car accident. But his line, when he was playing for the University of Miami, did the Japanese sit down with Pearl Harbor before they bombed 'em. It was an ultimately classic line. 'Cause that was their whole point, was that they weren't gonna sit down and with Notre Dame or Penn State, or whatever it was they were playing, they didn't want to be at the same party as those guys before the game. - 100%. - Miami was a little crazy back in those days. Number three for me, I'll go with Hoop Dreams. It was in my list, so, you know, no need to talk a whole lot more about it. It was quite good. I think everybody should see it at some time. Something. - Number two. - My number two Netflix documentary from years ago, the earlier versions of this documentary, but it was called "Blash Chancio" and it would follow these kids around that community college and they were trying to play football and get back on track in their careers and their lives. So like if you were a kid who's very good at football, but you got kicked out of school because you're a grades or something, you go to this community college in like Mississippi and they try to turn it around for you. So the first couple of seasons of that are pretty good. All right. - Very good. - Number two on my list is indeed the last dance. I mean, you guys said 2020 came around like, and we had to wait a little bit 'cause it didn't start until I wanna say like June down that time and so we had to like, we knew it was coming and we were like building it up and it lived up to every little bit of hype that it was. We had so much time on our hands that we begin to not, people begin to not like Michael Jordan because he was too good and too maniacal about being a basketball player. I think a friendship got ruined in that process between Scotty Pippet and Michael Jordan. - Yeah, that's so beautiful. We had a lot of time on our hands, but we certainly were fulfilled. - It was, and you know. - I think we had Casey Johnson like on every week. - We had him on weekly to break it down. The guy from Chicago, we had nothing else to do and we had nothing else to do. But it was also a little insight into Phil Jackson and his amazing ability to handle people, including Rodman and letting him go to Las Vegas. - That's the best, that might have been one of the best stories. - That was incredible. - Calling Michael and his, hey, Dennis needs, he needs a break. Like, what do you mean he needs a break? Like, he needs to go to Vegas for a few days. - It's just like what? - Right in the middle of the season. And they let him go too. And he went out and had a great time, came back and balled. - Yeah, and then, but they, when they got him back, remember he didn't come back when he was supposed to. All that had to go, he said he'd go bring him back. - If he let Dennis go, we might not get him back. - They had to go bring him back. Number two for me is a personal favorite. And the reason is because it's one of the most amazing and emotional stories I ever had the luck to cover as a writer. And it was the 1989 Loyola Marymount basketball team. The one in which Hank gathers passed away. And they made the run to the Elite Eight. And the 30 for 30 episode is called Guru of Go. And it's about Paul Westhead, who is coach. And how he put together this system where the players ran up and down the floor and Loyola scored 150 points a game. And if you don't believe me, Aston Fisher, 'cause he was a victim of one of those games, when Loyola scored 145 points in an NCAA tournament game. But the story has everything, because not only does it have a dramatic run to the Elite Eight by a bunch of total underdogs, but it mixes in the fact that their star player died right before the NCAA tournament on the court during a game. It was there in a conference tournament. During the conference tournament, Hank gathers, who was an all-American player. So that's so emotional in a lot of different ways. It's called the Guru of Go. It's a 30 for 30 if you never saw it. Maybe you don't know the story as much as I do, 'cause I was there and following it. It's quite amazing. Number one. - Number one? - My number one is not just one documentary, but it's Hard Knocks as a whole. And I'm talking about the beginning of-- - The whole idea of Hard Knocks. - Yeah, the idea of giving us an inside look into an NFL training camp was something we never had before. And you get to see all these crazy stories of people trying to make the team getting cut on camera. I think we're the Ravens and Brian Bilic, the first team featured on the league show. - Brian Bilic likes to tell the story, yeah. - Oh, he does like the show of the story, okay. But yeah, Hard Knocks when it first started was amazing. I watched it every single season, but yeah. - Yeah, we all have. And you got to give Hard Knocks credit when my wife who's a very casual sports fan at best, absolutely cannot miss an episode. I don't believe she's the only one. - No. - Yeah. - Best Hard Knocks moment is, I can't resist. What have I even been? Ray Buchanan imitating Shannon Sharp as part of the-- - As a talent show? - Talent show. Oh my God, it is, I would advise everybody, YouTube it, he does a great Shannon Sharp. And if you can, and here, Shannon's got it in your head. And his kind of mannerisms, he does them all. It was a funny, funny thing. Number one on my list is the all-time classic Celtics versus Lakers. Best of enemies is what it was called. It covered all of the, what, '60s, '70s into the '80s and how Larry Bird and Madge Johnson changed it. Best part on that is magic telling the story about coming back to Boston. I think it was when he hit the little baby sky hook. - Oh, yes. - And my man in the airport was like, Larry's gonna kill you! (laughing) - I don't know, I love the whole documentary too. My favorite part was when Michael clothesline Rambus and Rambus went to the line for two free throws. - Two free throws, that's it. - It's all he got. - That's all it would. - The all-time fouls in the history of the NBA. Yeah, that's a great one. All right, I'm gonna do a little history lesson for everybody out there who doesn't know of this documentary, 'cause I do believe I enjoyed it a lot. ♪ You're about to turn back time ♪ - Well, sometimes I have to. I have to enlighten the people out there because this is considered one of the greatest documentaries of all time. And I think everyone should see it. Who's a sports fan? It's called When We Were Kings. Came out in the middle of 1996. It was 22 years after Muhammad Ali fought George Frazier in the, not George Frazier, George Foreman, sorry. Muhammad Ali, George Foreman, rumble in the jungle, 1974 heavyweight title bout. That was the one where Ali did the rope-a-dope for eight rounds and Foreman punched himself out. And then Ali cracked him and took the title and a shocking upset. But the documentary is way more than that. Any documentary that includes Muhammad Ali's preparation for an event is obviously gonna be not only interesting, but political and mind-bending and George Foreman on the other side. It was a movie star quality documentary. I recommend to all of you, even you, Scrabie, it's called When We Were Kings. - I'm interested. - You enjoy, you learn something. You might learn something. Say Paul takes them all about it. - Yes, you are, George. - Stepping opposite. (laughing) - For the second time. - You are today. - All right, that's our countdown today. Enjoy some of those documentaries. If you haven't seen them, you'll like them. Coming up next, you'll like a little round of Christopher's the fans. 833-288-0973. We're playing, hopefully you're winning when Gwyn and Chris returns. From the mind of a two foot tall talking spokespuppet comes this year's biggest challenge. 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