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BaconBit: Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Review

Attention, Kmart Shoppers! After 36 years and a failed attempt at going Hawaiian, Tim Burton has finally made a sequel to Beetlejuice. Joel and Kent were able to watch this return to the Neitherworld and are ready to share their thoughts with you. We’ll begin this BaconBit with a spoiler-free review, where we’ll discuss our feelings about the film and how it compares to the original movie. Then, after Zack leaves, we’ll turn on the spoiler juice and see what shakes loose as we talk specific plot points and try to avoid sounding like stereo instructions. Press play to hear if Michael Keaton is still the ghost with the most.

Duration:: 31m
Broadcast on:: 06 Sep 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

It's Showtime. Oh, that's how we're going to start it, huh? Bacon bit. Bacon bit. Bacon bit Showtime. Hello. Hi, listener. How's it going? Hey, we actually saw a movie. Two out of three of us saw a movie. It's been a minute since we've done a bacon bit. I think Twisters was our last one. Okay, not too far. Hey, Zach, do you want to go to a movie soon? Oh, yeah. Yeah, we did do Twisters. I had to leave. Yeah. We can go to a movie soon if you want. But Joel's been giving me such a hard time for not taking him to any movie, so I just like press X to doubt. It'll happen. It'll happen. It will, probably. But no, we went and Ken and I saw Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, which is releasing as of this bacon bit when it's airing. And we're going to give our review from it. The first part will be spoiler free and Zach will be able to be here with us. And then if Zach chooses, he can leave during the spoiler full part. It depends on the things you say in the next 10 minutes. We'll go from there. Okay. Do you love Beetlejuice? I like Beetlejuice a lot. Love is a strong thing you just said. I like it. Does the musical make it worse for you? The musical I don't care for. I think it focuses on the wrong things. Okay. I think it's too much of Lydia, too much of Beetlejuice. Wow. So it's like the cartoon. Oh, okay. You're not a fan of the cartoon. I was not a big fan of the cartoon either. Okay. But I, but I like the movie much more. Well, for those of you who don't like Adam of Barbara, is that what you're saying? Yes. I like Adam and Barbara. Beetlejuice Beetlejuice is the sequel to the 1988 movie Beetlejuice. After a family tragedy, three generations of the Deeds family return home to Winter River, still haunted by Beetlejuice. Lydia's life is turned upside down when her teenage daughter, Astrid, accidentally opens the portal to the afterlife. Ken, who stars in this movie? We have Michael Keaton, Winona writer Catherine O'Hara and, or, I should say, with Jenna Ortega. Yeah. She's got a whiff credit. Yeah. Everyone else has been in the movies before. This is her first time in there. And I don't know. She's kind of got that lockdown of weird, goppy girl on Wednesday. Yeah. I think Tim Burton is like, "Hey, Christina Ricci has, like, aged out of my movies, I guess." She's, like, actually kind of crazy now. So I'm going to get someone that looks perfect for the part, and it's Jenna Ortega. I mean, obviously Tim Burton worked with her on Wednesday. Mm-hmm. And so, like... Just this past Wednesday? Yeah. Just this Wednesday. So it works altogether. And honestly, for the character that went on a writer plate of Lydia, Jenna Ortega fits really well. Yeah. That's good casting. Yeah. It makes sense. Tim Burton and Jenna Aretega go together like Tim Burton and White Stripes. Not the band. Nice. Yeah. I mean, I guess that makes sense. Yes. So someone that has a bigger role here is Catherine O'Hara in this movie, Zach. I'll just answer the question for you. Well, that's good news. Good news for you. I love her. I watched Beetlejuice just before going to see this movie. Not that I needed to watch it because I have the whole thing memorized. It's one of my childhood staples. Yeah. But because I was like, you know, let's just get back in the kind of vibe of this. Mm-hmm. And when we went to the screening, there was a good vibe there as well. Yeah. There was a lot of people who were dressed up and just, you know, a costume contest. Yeah, a costume contest. A Halloween feel to the whole thing. Right. And, you know, and I... I was not... I've gone back and forth with this movie. At some point, I was mad that they were making a sequel because it was not needed. Mm-hmm. The other one, I was like, you know what? They're saying some things that make me think this might be okay. And so I watched it and can't, I'll just jump right into my room. Okay, go for it. So this movie, as it started, it has the look. It has the feel. It does kind of feel like a Beetlejuice type movie. The opening credits are very similar. Yeah. Going over the town, all this time, it's a nice storm. No, you think it's so familiar. Is it the music? Yeah. A little updated. Daniel has a bit of the score a little bit, but it's good. It's all fun and games. And as it started the movie, I was kind of like, you know what? I'm not offended by this. Mm-hmm. This isn't bothering me. There is some definite fan service that happens during the movie, but I didn't feel like that's what they relied on. And one of the things I was very grateful for is that they did show restraint in how much they use Beetlejuice on the screen. Because as many sequels tend to do, they're like, "Hey, this side character that was interesting, let's make them the main character." Like a Pirates of the Caribbean sort of thing. Yeah, okay. You cars too. Yeah. But the Mater effect. Sure. And a lot of movies do that where they're like, "Oh, you know what? Let's just focus on that character, and it kind of kills the mojo." This one, I felt showed restraint in that. They had Beetlejuice appear every now and then to do his thing, and then he went away. I don't feel like the human element was as compelling as the original movie, which that makes perfect sense. The first movie is the story of like, "What is the afterlife? What is going on here?" Adam and Barbara. They're discovering it. We're discovering it with them. Yeah. This movie didn't have that, and I felt like that the human element was a little lacking. The other world, what do they call that? The other side. Yeah. That was interesting, but also I don't feel like they expanded or built it anymore. They didn't built it anymore. Right. It was kind of just there as well. And I do feel like they had a little too many characters, if that makes sense. Okay. Because they kept forgetting people were in the movie. Like a character be gone for a bit, and then they appear and I'm like, "Oh, that's right. They're storyline." I forgot about that storyline, and it happened a couple times with a couple of different characters, which I'll get to in the spoiler full section. But overall, I kept watching it going, "You know what? I'm not hating this. I'm not hating this." And that is kind of the bar I landed at, because I didn't hate it. Okay. Which was kind of a surprise to me, because that's a good surprise. With a lot of these, what do they call them, nostalgia sequels? Yeah, like a sequel. Like a sequel. Yeah. With that kind of thing, it's like, you know what? Let's do all the jokes over again. Pretty sure they call them cash grabs, but yeah. Yeah. That is also what they did. Is this sequel necessary? No. Is it enjoyable? Yeah. It's actually enjoyable. I enjoyed parts of it. There were some parts where I kind of rolled my eyes like, "Okay, let's go with that." I laughed a couple times. I did the point of the screen like, "Ah, I get that a couple times." So yeah, I didn't hate it. I think it was... I didn't hate is the bar we're going for you. Sure. Joel, I... So let's say you're like me, who... I'm a person who has seen the movie many times. Yes. The original movie. The original movie. The original movie, Beetlejuice. I've seen it many times. I know what's up, but it's been a few years, probably five, six years since I've seen it. Yeah. Do you think I would be better off to not watch it right before? Do you think that hurt your experience? No. Because it is just one of those movies that's ingrained in our minds already, that watching it wasn't necessarily necessary? Yeah. Because I think if I would have gone to this completely blind, I would have had the same emotions as I did before. I'm just wondering if it's like the callbacks, you know, if they feel like a memory, as opposed to like a direct comparison. Well, there were that many callbacks is what I'm saying. Like, there's a couple times where it's like, "Okay, I get what you're going for there." But it felt like for the most part, Tim Burton was kind of writing a sequel. And like, this felt... That sounds weird. I know it sounds weird. But this felt like a good old fashioned, less better than the original sequel. Hold on. Good old fashioned, less better than the original. Like, you know, back in the day, it was like, they make a sequel, you're like, "Hey, you know what? That's fine. It's a lesser one. It's fine." You know, I understand that you... It's the Crocodile Dundee 2 Ghostbusters 2. Yeah, Ghostbusters 2. It's terrible. I'm like, "No, it's just more. It's not terrible. It's not better." That is actually a very apt comparison, Zach. Because this is kind of like a Ghostbusters 2 thing where it's like... That is so sad that this is the Ghostbusters 2. No, no, no. Because it's a "take it or leave" kind of thing. It's like, you know what? If you want to be a fan of the... Sure. The two Beetlejuice, Beetlejuicei? Beetlejai. Beetlejai. That sounded weird. That's perfectly fine. I have no problem if people want to like this movie and enjoy this movie. If anyone says it's better than the original, then we're going to have words. These are the Beetlejai. Kent, what did you think about Beetlejuice? I liked it less than Joel. I could tell. Oh, I figured it much. And I think it's actually a mistake to watch Beetlejuice before because Tim Burton has, but mostly had a look and feel. I think the cinematography, the Dutch angles, everything kind of feels askew. This movie felt so traditional. It did. It wasn't as quirky. I think it's the quirk that's missing for me because the first half of this movie, Zach, is too much restraint. It is mostly human characters. And the thing that works so well about the original is it's Adam and Barbara's story. And there are villains in this story and there are human villains. There's Beetlejuice for sure. And it's chaos, but the human villains are so good. And this movie, you're like, "When I'm a writer, has a boyfriend that is so hammy." Play by Justin Thoreau. Yeah, and he's the worst part of the movie. He ruined it for me. Yeah, I was like, I get you need like an opposition character, but like it was so cheesy and cartoony. I was like, in my mind, as I'm watching the movie, I cut his plot line and the movie got better. This is an hour 47 roundabout. And it had eight too many subplots because you have Jan Ortega with the subplot. Lydia had obviously the major plot. This is a very Winona writer-heavy movie. Whereas Catherine O'Hara, one of the better parts of the movie, Jan Ortega, even though she's an annoying teen, the acting is there. And you're like, "I kind of want to see a little bit more of that." But then she has a romance subplot and you're like, "What? Why?" There's a lot going on. It's going really pointless. Because really, if you think about Beetlejuice, this is going to be a comparison maybe nobody in time has ever made. It's like Silence of the Lambs. No. You think about it. You've got your main character. Shorties. You've got your main issue at hand by Buffalo Bill. And then you've got your helper who is also problematic in Hannibal Lecter and that's Beetlejuice. So it's a complex thing. Beetlejuice is not the villain of Beetlejuice, but he's also not the hero. He's like a weird helper. This sounds like that idea is a little bit broken. If I may say he's kind of like the chaos or the inciting incident, he keeps the juice flowing. But remember, Beetlejuice is hired to get the deets out of the house. In the original movie. In the original movie. There's really just that. You've got the dead folks want the live folks out. Beetlejuice helps. Simple. Straight forward. If this is a little complicated. If this is a plot about Lydia and her daughter getting along, it would be great. But there's eight different plots on top of them. There's Willem Defoe as an actor dead cop. There's Monica Bellucci as a scorned lover trying to get after Beetlejuice. And I'm like, what is going on here? Joel, like you said, there's so much going on. I'm like, oh yeah, that's a threat. Is it? I saw, I think just to collect a clip online. This movie has narration. Storytelling and narration. From Lydia and Beetlejuice. I saw Beetlejuice telling a story of the scorned lover. They kind of jump across. That feels, Joel actually thinks this wins. I think Beetlejuice, he says lines, he winks at the audience. He basically says, let's get nuts. I mean, this is Michael Keaton being a little bit like he gets it. That said, I love Michael Keaton, it's Beetlejuice. I love seeing him in this movie. And by the time where the two plots come together, the human side and the afterlife side. And Beetlejuice was more involved with this story. I was like, I'm in. This movie actually became fun. It became bombastic. Sure, the sets in the afterlife were kind of lame. Well, like I said, one of the things that once again, I thought it was great. Mostly practical effects. Like there was some stop motion animation going on there. Yeah, the collination, all that kind of stuff. There was puppets and props that were used instead of CGI. And every time I saw that, I'm like, oh, I like that. I would say help for the overall vibe. Yes, but it feels in vain of the original. The creativity and the quirk is mostly gone. I wouldn't say mostly gone. It's mostly gone. I thought this was marginal fun. So I'm like, oh, I kind of liked it by the end. But it took a long time to get there. So I'm just been bouncing back and forth. I have two tabs open, IMDB. And on IMDB, the homepage always plays the trailer for the show. And I'm literally just bouncing back and forth to get it like a vibe. And it's weird how sterile it just kind of looks. That. Well, it's strange. It's like if you had to explain what quirky is. I wouldn't say sterile. I'd say normal. Like the first one, there's some weird stuff that happens. And you kind of go, oh, okay. I guess just the world we live in. This one, it kind of like wants to explain why it's weird. I don't know. I can't explain it. It takes so much time. Parents guide, by the way. I want to point that out there. Oh, yeah. How'd you feel about that? There's one F word. I'm sure it was an F word. Yes, it is. And there's one bleeped F word. They purposely bleep it out. Which I was like, why did you bleep that one? Because two will get you the R rating. I guess. Yeah. But I just kind of went, eh. And even the F word was kind of, I mean, it's never, I never enjoyed hearing it. But it was just felt kind of like a throwaway wasted comment. So was the F word in the first movie? Yeah. Well, that was more of a kind of this big, I remember that was the one. I remember as a kid watching the original Beatles news. And my friends that was like, hey, boys, run upstairs for a second. We're like, okay. We ran upstairs. We were like, why? He's like, no reason. And then I was like, oh, later. People just was going to a brothel and he says bad words. Yeah. They've all been a little suggestive, right? Yeah. And by the way, there's some like gore in this one. Yes. And so by let's, which was kind of funny. Yeah. There was, there was some stuff that I was like, wow, they couldn't have done that in the original. Yeah. Because I think the original is PG. I think you got a PG rating. So Joel, what do you give this one? I'm still debating, but I think it's going to end up about 3.5. Okay. Which is, I, it's, it's better than average in the sense of, in the sense of sequels because I feel like it could have been, if I'm going to use this comparison, it could have been a, a bill into face the music kind of thing where I was like, oh, you're right. This is everything. I'm like, this is everything I feared the sequel would be. It's like, let's hand off the torch to these new people and not even care about original protagonists and do all these throwaway jokes that we used before. And it's just going to ruin the characters. This didn't ruin the characters for me. Oh, man. That's a really good point. There were a couple parts I can't get into here that surprised me that I didn't expect them to do. And I went, okay, you got me there. And so that's why I'm giving it a 3.5, I think that's where I'm landing. I was leaning towards a C minus, but to me, that's like legacy destroying. It's probably right in the middle. It may be a C grant. I know I sound a little bit negative and I definitely will be with spoilers, but there are some moments, uh, some musical moments, especially that I was like, oh, I'm really enjoying this. The musical moments, there was a couple of them and someone I'm like long, yeah, no, for sure, for sure. They could have, you could have trimmed those down significantly. I don't think when on a writer, she's still the stranger things mom, like that's not quite Lydia. But she put on a wig. Yeah, that's that's about it. Yeah. Just way too much going on here. Honestly, it's between C minus and C. Okay. Follow up question. You've given your grades. Yes. Does this. So thinking less about the movie itself and more about kind of the meta of where we're at with movies. Is this not at least a little refreshing based on what we've gotten or does this feel like a modern movie? Does this feel like an 80s movie or does this feel like a modern movie? But well, like I said, I think this feels like a good old fashioned lesser sequel. Because to me, like Twisters, for example, came out earlier this summer. It was like, Hey, it kind of feels like a 90s disaster movie. This is kind of refreshing in the landscape of today's movie. Does Beetlejuice do that as well? In the way that I'm happy there's a movie with ghouls and ghosts, putting it at center stage. Like I'm pretty happy about that goofy work, but to see a movie where they're like, Hey, we got nothing else. What does Tim Burton do well? Beetlejuice. Okay. Well, I do feel like this is yet again another not too scary Halloween movie people can put on the background. It's going to have that vibe. It had it set during Halloween as well. Yeah, but it doesn't matter to the story whatsoever. But I do feel like that that for that reason, I'm like, you know what? This is fine. This is fine. Easy Halloween movie for people to watch and to dress up as characters, there's new, there's going to be new Halloween costumes coming out. There'll be a couple of these characters, but this is the quality of Ghostbusters, too. Without Vigo the Carpathian. Oh, good. I like Ghostbusters. All right, everybody hates on it. People forget it exists. Give me the pink slime. I like it. It's not up, up, up, up. So Zach, are you going to sit around for spoilers? You're going to leave for spoilers. Leave. I'm going to leave because I don't care about spoilers, but I want to go home. Yeah, get out of here. I actually do think I'm going to go see this movie. I am. It has peaked my curiosity and I know you guys pretty well, I feel like I'll side closer to Joel on this one. Okay. Could be. Go see it. We'll see. We're now going to start giving our spoiler filled review of Beetlejuice Beetlejuice, which the fact that they say Beetlejuice Beetlejuice, please believe there's going to be a Beetlejuice. I think there'll be a Beetlejuice Beetlejuice. Yeah. I don't know how they're going to do that. Let's wait on that. Hold on. Spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, get out of here Zach, we're going to start spoiling. All right, can't. So, okay. Story, story wise, story wise, I want to talk off one thing just off the bat kind of spoiler, but not really. Yeah. The fact that I knew they were going to kill off Jeffrey Jones. Yeah. I was like, look, the actor made some poor choices. Sure. They probably don't want them in the film because of that and that's okay. But he's kind of showing a little prominently. But he is, I was going to say, they made him a pretty prominent figure. Yeah. He appears as claymation at one point, which I was like, okay, well, that's a little shout out. Yeah, right. But then there's a character who appears because in the movie, this is the spoiler right here. He's been killed off because he was going to look at some random bird in a different location, he gets in a plane crash and then a shark eats him. Yep. And then a character shows up who's half eaten by a shark and I was like, oh, that's probably Jeffrey Jones used to be. Yeah. He's turning out of the bottom torso, essentially. Yeah. There's definitely more blood in this movie than the original one. But I did think that was weird that they would have him speak. Yes. Because obviously not Jeffrey Jones, but they wanted to make it be Jeffrey Jones. I think they wanted to make, what is her name? What is Catherine O'Hara's name in the movie? Julia Dietz, I believe. Okay. So they wanted to make her like give her a plot line and I think the only way they knew how to do that, even though he didn't need to, they could have just said her relationship with Lydia and her kind of- Julia. Julia. Oh my gosh. Yeah, what's wrong with us? And people were just yelling at us. But they could have just done this three generation story, but they kept having to bring her back and it comes to play at the end of her story about their relationship. But they didn't need that. It was another plot line they didn't need. I was worried that Catherine O'Hara was going to play Delia Dietz as Moira Rose. Like I was worried that she'd gotten kind of stuck in that and she was going to do that. But no, she felt right back into the exact growth she was for. She really is like just great in that role. She may have been given some odd script choices, like some of the stuff she did on like, okay, but that's how the character reacts, I guess. I don't know. Yeah, so the movie starts out and the action happens. They all come together because the death happened. They all go back to the town and- Which it wasn't quite sure why. I wanted to know what happened to the Deeds after the Beetlejuice incident. And everyone saw, oh, it's the ghost house, which by the way, Lydia Dietz has a paranormal investigating show because she can communicate with the dead knight. They didn't really go into, is it a sham? Is she working with the ghosts that kind of create the show? But meanwhile, the only slimy guy is her manager and that's Justin Thoreau. And he also proposes to her pretty early in the movie. And that's to me where I'm like- We're getting married in two days on Halloween. Yeah, I'm like, act more. Like this script is horrible because- He was a little more corny. He was so corny and he's like, will you marry me? And she's like, no, but okay. And she kept saying, I need to get married. And there was like, there was nothing there. Like there was no reason for that to happen. There was a lot of times- Other than love and marriage was kind of the theme of the movie. There's kind of a hand waving with a lot of plot lines where it's like, why are you doing this? Because I have to. And it's like- Because we have to be at a church at a certain point because- Well, they even pop out at one point and they're like, you're late for your wedding. And she's like, oh, I have to go. And I'm like, no, after all that, no. Anyway, they don't have Barbara and Adam, except for a fleeting reference. It's what they do in sequels. Barely like they're passing over the model town and like, there's a section where you can see the shirt of Adam and Barbara. And Lydia does say, they moved to the Great Beyond. We found a loophole. I can't, they didn't have to say loophole to me. No. Like they said, if we found a loophole and they could move on, I think she said they've moved on. Yeah. And I would have been like, fine with that. But the fact they said they found a loophole, I was like, that seems weird to say that. Yeah. Which is the Great Beyond, like they have the soul train, which is a literal soul train. And I think it was a joke that went on too long. And they showed it twice. Yeah. Almost like beat for beat twice. And they had like extended dance numbers and music playing. Yeah. I didn't quite understand why they needed that. And I don't know how the Great Beyond. Well, you can see this in reference to what it is. There's four levels of where people go. Like two were kind of crappy and two were kind of good. And I think the Great Beyond is literally heaven. Like what is that? Like what are they in when they go to the other world there? I thought that was kind of what death was. And it's like, no, there's the Great Beyond. I feel like it's limbo where they are the waiting room. But then what we're at is basically a haunted house interior. Yeah, like a spook alley. But why would Adam Barbara be trapped in their house then instead of going to the Great Beyond? I don't know. Like they didn't I think they explained that very well. So meanwhile, you have the whole human story and basically Lydia trying to deal with her daughter and her daughter being like, I can't believe you're going to get married to this guy. He's the worst and you're the worst and whatever. And you I don't believe in ghosts. Meanwhile, you have Monica Bellucci. She appears. And she's like, I'm so mad at Beetlejuice because we were married and she was a soul sucking cult leader in life. Yes. And she tried to kill him. She actually did kill Beetlejuice. She married him and killed him. Killed him. And he before he died, he chopped her up. Yeah. And so she's mad at him in the afterlife. And we'll get revenge. So OK, so Monica Bellucci appears. And kind of honestly, she looks like Morticia Adams for a while there. But Danny DeVito, like I was like, why is he in this movie? Tim Burton. It was random. But I just kind of like, OK, fine, whatever. But then she Monica Bellucci is one of those characters that she'd leave for a bit. And I totally forget about her. And then she'd show up again, like, oh, that's right. The soul sucker. And meanwhile, a character that didn't need to be there other than saying, oh, yeah, like Willem Defoe, he was an actor in life. It was in a cop show. And so he kind of plays-- What was that? He plays a cop, but he's still an actor in the afterlife. Like, I get trying to warn Beetlejuice that, hey, your ex is coming after you. And then he just tries to hunt Beetlejuice down for breaking laws. And it was just so unnecessary. I just kept with his-- I don't understand that story. Like, was he a cop, or was he an actor? And why does it matter? And if he's just an actor, why does he have all this authority where he can command people to arrest and all that? That's the joke, I guess. But I just still think it was an underdeveloped joke. But he was Willem Defoe on the screen. He's always kind of fun to watch. But I kept going, what are you doing? But like, he even had catch phrases. And I'm like, is that meant to be your catch phrase? Like, I don't even care. Yeah. And he was another character that kept coming and going. And I kept forgetting they were there. And I was like, oh, yeah, Willem Defoe's in this. That's fine. That said, so Beetlejuice, he works alongside all the bobs, all the shrunken head guys. Yes. And that was like the gag of the movie. You're like, oh, they're so cute, because they were kind of cute. Which is funny, Monica Bellucci is looking for Beetlejuice. Like, that's her sole purpose. But she doesn't go to his office where he works. They had a waste time. She kills random people. I guess. Yeah. But I don't know. I did think her killing people was a fun effect, like when people would scrunch up into that little ball of whatever. Yes. Because it was a practical effect. OK. But I want to talk about her when it comes to the end of the movie, because I think the end of the movie really fell apart. Like, I like the fun. I like the church scene. And then when the climax happened and how they got rid of the villains, it was so stupid. Well, there's a Deus Ex Machina moment for me. Oh, it kind of was. When it felt, yeah, kind of a ridiculous snake Machina. Yeah. Meanwhile, Jen Ortega is metered her mom, and she meets a boy. Yeah, she crashed her bike to a tree, and then runs it to a boy. And within, like, two times of hanging out, she realizes she likes him. And he's like, sir, and he's like, look, I'm a ghost. He's like, you can see ghosts. Wow, spoilers, Ken. Yeah, right. And you can see ghosts. She's like, oh, my gosh. I was suspicious, by the way. Like, when he first meets the boy. Yeah. And then they go on the house. And this is one of those things, if you watch a lot of movies, it's something you pick up on. But they walk in the house, and he's like, hey, mom. And the mom doesn't show her a face. And then he goes, or dad's watching TV. Hey, dad is dad watching TV. He's like, doesn't show his face. And they go upstairs. And casual viewer, they're not going to pick up on that. But I was like, I think I'm going to be someone famous. But no, it turns out they're all ghosts. It turns out he murdered his family. And he's trying to-- By sticking like a saw in his dad's eye, and an egg beater, and his mom's, it's a very-- They're just trying to shock you. And he tricks Lydia, or not sorry, Lydia, Astrid. Astrid, he says, hey, I want to be with you, and maybe we'll get married someday. So can you take me to the afterlife and help me get back to my body? And she's like, yeah. But he tricks her in. Basically, she gives herself up to be a ghost so that he will get his human body back. And that was also a plot line. I liked that. It wasn't developed, though. It wasn't developed, but it still wasn't a surprise. Yeah, it was a surprise. And it gave me reason to start getting to the movie, because then you have Lydia making a deal with Beetlejuice, which needed to happen way earlier in the movie. It says, I will marry you if you take me to my daughter so I can go save her. It felt like a logical-- As logical could be. I need a reason for her to call-- That should have been the majority of the movie. No, I actually don't-- Because then Astrid is like, she sees her dad, who died a long time ago. Yes, so Astrid goes down the afterlife with this boy. And then she sees her dad at a random window as she's walking by. That's my dad, and he's covered with piranhas because he died in the Amazon. But then I went, wait a minute, and this is just one of those-- I'm thinking too deep about it moments. Because in the first Beetlejuice they say, they make a joke about those who commit suicide in the afterlife will become civil servants. But he obviously didn't, but he was still working in the offices. So I was like, I don't get how that works. Anyway, that was just me. But it's kind of pointless, in fact, when they have a reunion, it's nothing special. No, they don't talk about anything substantial. There's no big emotional release there. And I had the hardest time with that part because it was like, oh my gosh, he's going to steal my soul if he does this one thing, and then I'm going to be stuck. And we've got to hurry, oh, there's my dad. Let's sit down and have a cup of tea together. And I was like, wait, aren't you in a rush? You've got things you got to do. Meanwhile, you have Delia Dietz, Delia, by the way. We know how we know our name, right? Who is just kind of doing quirky stuff the whole time, and she's there to be kind of a comedic relief. And she had some funny moments. I actually did laugh multiple times at things she would do. But she buys, she's doing all this funeral service for her husband, and she buys these asps, which you say were defanged, and then she picks them up as part of the ceremony. They bite her, and she dies. I didn't expect that. No. They were going to kill off Delia Dietz. And I thought by the end of the movie, I'm like, they'll bring her back. Somehow. Yeah. And while she's still in the movie because she's dead, and dead people are in the movie, the character herself is dead. Which was just weird to me that sometimes the interactions with the dead, whether they're physical or not physical, there was a little confusion there as to what the rules were. But with Delia, she's now dead in the underworld. And it was almost sad, but they try to not make it sad. They try to be like, oh, she's fine. It's funny, it's OK, everything's fine. She just wants to be with her half torso husband. Yes. Like what? Which was a little weird. Because basically they're getting to the end of the movie at this point. And once again, Lidia's like, oh, I need to go meet my fiance. I'm late for the wedding. Yeah. And her daughter's like, wait, you're really going to do that? She's like, yeah, of course. It's midnight. She goes into the church. By the way, they said they were getting married on Halloween at midnight. And I was like, wait, so it's going to be November 1. It's November 1. Because that didn't make any sense yet. Because people are trick-or-treating that same night. Anyways, Beethoven Jew shows up and says, by the way, you sign this contract. It's time to marry me. There's a fun musical number. Went a little too long. It went a little like more than a little long. I can't be like, oh, we're still going with this. If they cut it in half, quite fun. But it was fun music. Like I was still like enjoying it. But everyone's getting possessed. Everyone's singing. Yeah. And I just kind of went, all right, we get the joke. OK, we're still getting the joke. OK, we're really getting the joke. Meanwhile, the villains are there. You have the fiance and you have Beyonce. The Beetlejuice is former fiance or wife. And they show up and they get eaten by a sandwich almost immediately. Nothing really happens there. It almost seemed like Lydia is going to be a K Beetlejuice or good. Like you can hang out if you want. Because he actually didn't seem all that villainous. No. Like he's a punk. But he's not like a bad guy in this movie. Yeah. And instead, she still just said Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice and he blew up like a balloon for now, right? He's still going to haunt her in her dreams, which it shows in the credits. Yeah, the ending was a little weird. I was like, actually, I like the ending. Well, it was kind of a dream sequence that then turned into a dream sequence. And then, we're actually got married to a guy really quick. Yeah. Well, she got married. I was like, OK, I guess we're going there. And then as they got weirder, I was like, OK, it's a dream or not reality. But then it wasn't reality, but then it was reality. Yeah. I don't know. But it was fine. But I kind of went. That was a non ending. Yeah. Like I wanted a little more, if you will, denim wa. A little more kind of wrap up with the story. But we're going to get Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. Four, possibly, very possibly. And look, Michael Keaton can still do it. I think we've known a writer, maybe we can't like hear a movie. This movie is 36 years since the original. I believe I did my math right. And I went, if this is the head of a stronger, had it been like 20 years ago. I think three in three years, we could see a sequel if this is a hit. You think that soon? Yeah, I think they'll have to. Well, they probably will. Yeah. I don't know what they're going to do in the third one, though. But at the same time, if they do it the same as this one, it'll be on par. And I think I'll be fine with that. Yeah, I think I've dropped a C minus. You went back down? Yeah. There's just too many characters with too many plot lines. And the parts I liked, for example, Michael Keaton, Catherine O'Hara, in general, or take it to a lesser extent, the score, obviously, is really good. Yeah. And then I did have some fun when everything was going kind of crazy near the end. But everything just kind of went nowhere. And if they kept it simple, I'm in. Yeah. I thought you would like it more because it was darker and had more blood. Yeah, I did like that. It was back up to a C and back to a C. All right, so there is our review of Beetlejuice Beatle. Unless you have anything else to say. That's it. That is our review of Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. And we hope that you let us know on Facebook, on Instagram, on Twitter, what your thoughts were when you go and see it. But let's keep it spoiler free for now because, you know, save that for later. [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] Press X to doubt. [BLANK_AUDIO]