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SHED JUNKIES, Ep. 1: Sheds, bidets, and hobbies we abandoned
Geez. - All right, I'm gonna turn off my video. - Okay. One last look at that handsome face. Good grief. Hey, yeah. - I don't know, I'm not sure. (laughing) - Get out of here, ugmo, lazz. (upbeat music) - Oh, your shed's in the front. - Yeah. - Oh, I used to see the shed sometime. - I mean, I'm so intrigued by this shed. I assumed it was just somewhere in the back. - No, I mean, we had a shed here, but that's the shed we bought last year. And customers built it using a 3D system where you build the whole shed in 3D online and get delivered exactly as you built it with colors, parts, everything. - And it's like-- - My goodness. - I'll let you off to show you a little picture of it sometime. And the 3D model we made first. - It was that worth it, huh? - There's internet problems in the shed, so I'm gonna try to record this downstairs. So I'm gonna be closing the office door, okay? - Hi, Hazel. - And do we, they say hi. Also just, whatever you can do to stop people from thumping too much. - Okay. (laughing) - But it doesn't really matter. (laughing) - It's fine. - Yeah, it's just a little fun. - It shows up on the recordings, though. I have recorded podcasts with it. And it's just like, it's just this like, basic distraction. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. All right, I am inside the house. - Okay. - Like down. - I'm gonna plug in all these things. Actually, just one thing. - Two bar. - Yeah. - Oh man, we got internet, it's back. - It's back, baby. - Yeah. - No. - I'm going to suggest to the two of you that this really does not need to all be published. (laughing) - Ooh. - It's all staged here. - With this episode of the podcast, it's just so not worth it. It's really not. You could just cut the first, you know, what is this? 10 minutes. - I'll cut the first 15 seconds. (laughing) - Where we introduce where we are. And the rest of me, God. Awful. Fumbling my way to the shed. - That's great. - The new software, it'll be easy to cut. Christian, you just have to give us like a starting word. - Yeah. - And then last, we can just find that word in the transfer. - Okay. - The word is-- - No, okay, cut everything before. - Beetle juice. (laughing) - Beetle juice. - Yep. - Beetle juice. - Oh no, we did it, we did it. We said it too many times. - No. - Michael Keaton's gonna show up. - No. - He's gonna be like-- - He's really wacky. - Ah, I'm a wacky guy. (laughing) That's what Michael Keaton-- (laughing) - He's telling us. - He's like blaar. - He's telling you for some reason. - What do you think? What do you think about this? Gonna a little me. (laughing) (laughing) - Was that your Michael Keaton or your Italian impression? - That was an Italian Michael Keaton, which is, as everyone knows, my apex impression. - You're forte, and then you do the most. - It is a work of art, which I have developed over the course of decades. - Hey. - Remember if I get parties, breaking it out. - Yeah, well you're gonna love me. - Hey. - Pizza. - Oh shit. (laughing) - Michael Keaton. (laughing) - Michaelangelo Keatono. - Keatonee. - Keatonee. (laughing) - Oh, Cantonee. - Okay. Are we ready? - I think so. I'm trying to think, Christian. I think I was listening to a couple of previous ones, and I'm pretty sure that your topic has gotten stomped more than once, where one time it was like, we decided to switch it up last time. It was the ducks. - Yeah. - And you were like, "I have a topic, I'm ready." So I just wanna throw it out there. - I don't even know. - Yeah, if you've... (laughing) - Well, all right, two things. One is, even though I didn't get a topic, I do talk a lot. Like-- (laughing) - I'm not getting, I'm not getting my time in. I think I'm having a lot of fun, and not always feeling like I need to have a topic. But I do really appreciate the thought. I honestly, today-- - Oh, well, moving on then, I got my topic ready to go. - Yeah, good, no, it is good. (laughing) 'Cause I don't think I have one today. - Oh, that's enough about to say. (laughing) - We do want the duck date. - Oh, yes, okay. Yeah, so maybe I, the long story short is they are safely dropped off at, a place, a animal rehab center. - Yes. - In Massachusetts. - Yes. - Grace and the kids took both of the ducks there. Yes, so it's very good if we want to kind of like, put a little bit of like a, you know, not everything is perfectly sacchar and sweet. Grace was a little disappointed at the intake process, where they just kind of, you know, she described it like ordering at a deli, you know, she was ready to like, tell them the personalities of the ducks and like what type of food they like to eat and you know, the nice thing, the fact that they want to stay together because they've been such nice little buddies, Eggo and Lily, but you know, it was 4 p.m. on a Friday or something or Sunday, and they just like, we're like, okay, fill up this form and then, you know, put the ducks over here. - Oh man. - Can I say buy to them? And they were like, oh no, we really, you know, it's this time to just put them in with the other ducks though. - Oh, it is. - We are hope, you know, it's good though. Like they are, their whole thing is they rehab, especially injured, but also just like abandoned. And they do, their goal is to put them, prepare them to be out in the wild again. So that's the thing that, you know, they're with other ducks, they get their chance to do, to be social, and then they're eventually gonna be released. And Grace offered our lake as a place to release them, which would be awesome if that's a little, they said it's a little far. Yeah, I guess they can release them in different places and they like to release them where they were found. - Okay. - So, you know, one was found in Mystic River, so that's, but then the other one was here and they said it's a little far, but that they would, they're probably, you know, they took down her info and they're gonna, you know, once they're ready, which is like six to eight weeks, they can fly on their own, I think that's when they would, you know, start to think about releasing them. So there may be a second duck update. - Okay. - I'm sorry, a second what, Les? - Yeah. Duck, duck, duck date, duck date. - That, nice, nice. - I don't really, how do they, duck date doesn't make sense. - I know it doesn't make sense, but it's like, you know, you just gotta do it, you just gotta work, you gotta, I noticed that I had to kind of say it a few times to understand what I was doing with myself. - I just don't wanna, yeah, I just don't wanna duck it up, you know. - Aw, boo. - Get out of, get out of, get out of your luck, clacking sound is perfect, I think so. - Quack, quack, quack. - Wait a minute, what was that? (laughing) - Oh, that's, well. - So they were like, so they were like, here, thanks for the ducks, and you're like, wait, let me tell you, and then they were like, yeah, yeah, no, where'd they come from? We'll try to drop 'em off back in their home and they were, and you told them where you lived, and they were like, ooh, they're a lot, a lot of fun. - Where? Ashford, what? - Oh, no. - Canada, huh, I don't know about that. - Yeah, all right, now we'll take it to the Charles. - Yeah, exactly. - Charles. - Oh man, well, that is. - I liked your comment, Emilio, on some other thread. It's like, they're gonna-- - Well, they don't have time. - They don't have time for-- - And it's like, you know, we're dropping 'em off and they're like, yeah, we got a rush. We got another pallet of ducks coming in here in 15 minutes. - Oh, no. (laughing) - Oh, it's amazing. - Also, like, the air conditioner in the car wasn't working, so it was like a two hour through traffic, extremely hot, like, stressful drive. Grace did it on her own. I wasn't there at all, so I was not able to-- - What kind of person are you? Why weren't you there? - Hey, that's a topic for another night. (laughing) I'm an awful person, and I'll tell you more about it some other time. - What kind of person are we here? (laughing) - All right, well, congratulations on the end of the duck chapter. - Yeah, no, it's all good. It was good. Very good. - Yeah, yeah, I don't wanna, you know, spend too much more time if we don't have anything else to update on this, but like, I just am wondering, like, how much did you think about keeping them, and like, what would that have looked like, if you had kept-- - Yeah, I took a picture as I was cleaning up, and these are two very small ducks, and they were with us for about a week, and by the end of the week, they were making such a big mess in the house, and it's just constant. And, you know, I was still working, and Grace was like changing their water every 10 minutes, and like-- - Oh my God. - It's unbelievable. They just like, they're disgust their wild animals, and outdoors, they're perfect. They just, we would bring them outside, and they would just play outside for, you know, two or three hours, and no mess, no nothing to clean up, just, you know, they do their thing. - Just when they're out. - Yeah, but, you know, we could not have kept, and if they were just gonna get bigger and bigger, like, we can't keep them outside, we have wild animals around here, including a fock, like, we have all kinds of stuff that, like, would kill them, and we don't want them to be just kind of, like, you know, half prisoners outside, and then indoors was just not an option by the end, we sort of realized, I think, that just, we don't, we're not equipped, and it would take over our lives as it did for that week. - Oh my goodness. - So glad there's a place in the world that will help them. - What would you have done? - But they were super cute. - What would you have done had you not found a place? Like, what did you imagine that, like, what that scenario was gonna, like-- - Yeah, I can tell you the closest thing that we came to it. - Okay. - We were looking at them playing down on the beach, and we, Grace and I, briefly started talking about, okay, if they were to stay with us, we would need some sort of enclosure that could be put half on the beach and half in the water. - Oh. - Like, not like, you know, something that just could keep, like, crazy wild animals out, but the ducklings would not, you know, they wouldn't be able to escape, and then during the day, we could just open it up and let them run wild while we're around, but any time that we need to, we could put them back in there, like overnight, have a nice little warm spot for them. Grace had, like, the idea, we have this, like, solar panel thing we never used, that we could get a little heating pad and hook it up to the solar panel, so they'd have a warm spot to stay. - So, like, I think that's, like, a remote possibility, 'cause there is, like, chicken wire, chicken coop, like, there's stuff, and I think we could have set up something like that, but we also had a trip planned out of state in, like, five weeks, and so we would have had, like, a deadline, like, a hard deadline to do something. So, I don't know. - You know, it would-- - That's-- - If only there was, like, like, a company that you could go onto a website and, like, design, like, an enclosure, like, like, a 3D model of, like, a shed. - And just, like, exactly how you want it? - Exactly what you need, so, like, you know, this part here, and this part here, there, for the die. - Right, exactly. - Part of it in the water, and then you just print it, and they just print it, you know. - And they just, it's exactly how you designed it. - I gotta show you the shed design sometime. (laughing) - I can't admit, I have to tell you, it's difficult for me to imagine spending that money on such a thing. - Well, which part are you talking about, the shed? - Yeah, the shed! - Or the duck stuff. - No, the duck stuff is good. - Yeah, spending a million dollars on the duck stuff. I see the shed, like-- - No, you have a huge shed. What are you talking about? - Me? - Yeah. - Well, it's a garage. - Well, okay, but it's, like, I mean, that's, like, yeah, I mean, it's bigger than the shed that we got, but it's like in the same family. Like, ours is, like, 16 feet by, or wait, no, 20 feet by 10 feet or something like that. - Yeah, no, I just mean, like, to customize it. Like, I wouldn't even know, you know what it is, I wouldn't even know where to start, like-- - Oh, here's the thing, though. - Okay, yeah. - You would look at a few, and you'd be like, no, no, no. And then you'd be like, wait, that one looks nice. But only I could add this, and then you'd go to the website and you'd be like, oh my God, I can make it look like a little house if I want to. And all these things, so ours has a little porch, it's got a door with an overhang. It's got, it's got lofts on both sides. - What are you talking about? - It's got lofts you can climb up to on both sides. Also, this was not in the customizing options. - Yeah, I'm gonna say it's a barn. - It's like a sort of a barn shape. Yeah, a little bit of a barn shape. Steel roof, so that we don't have to worry about it rotting or anything like that, and the snow like slides right off. And I added these custom like portholes on both of the loft areas. So there's a little extra light, and that was not even in the 3D possibilities. That was something we requested elsewhere. So when I give a-- - Oh, my goodness. Geez, how tall is it? - Let's see, so it's, I think it's seven feet to the loft. - Okay. - And that goes up like another, it's probably like 10 feet, maybe a little more. - Oh, okay. - Yeah, no, it's gotta be more than that, actually. So yeah, it's probably like 12 feet tall. - Is it 30 feet tall, Les? (laughing) - I think I got the skyscraper. - It's crazy barn. - It is a barn. I think we just are properly classifying it as a barn. I'm going to find a way to include a picture of the shed in the nose for this podcast. - I also love how you called like a roger's shed. - Clearly a garage. (laughing) - I didn't see a car in there. Is there even a way to get a car in there? - There's a garage door to it. - You, wait, hold on, are we talking about the same, the place with the bike? - Yeah. - I don't know, it had a little door that I got the bike out of. - Yeah, that's the side door. (laughing) - Just remember, have you ever put a car into it? I'll ask that question first. - Yes, but it is useful as like just space for things, but. - Okay. (laughing) - Well, if you've put a car in it, then maybe that counts, but I would consider it a gigantic storage shed. - That is interesting, wow. (laughing) - We don't, we don't, we Cambridge folk don't have the concept of a car. - Yeah, exactly, oh. - It's a typical light. - You guys live in a really big shed. (laughing) - Yeah, I mean, that's how we use our garage in San Diego. We don't, you know, we don't put a car in there. - Yeah. - The double door shed. - Yeah, exactly. (laughing) - With loss. (laughing) - With loss, losses are pretty fast. - I've never heard of a shed with loss, it's incredible. - You gotta get a shed with loss. You gotta, once you get to go to this website. No, this is the place. Remember, I told you while you were giving me a ride from the airport, I said, look, there's the shed company that I got my shed at, and we drove by your house. - I didn't realize what you meant. (laughing) - That same company, you can order this 3D shed and it will be shipped from that place five minutes from your house. - I have to tell you. - Oh, so they're out of Montana then? - Well, I guess they're nationwide. - The thing that's shocking though is that, like, never in my wildest, I mean, when you told me that, I thought, okay, yeah, the shed place. Never in my wildest dreams could I have imagined that it was the barn-sized, double lofted, extravagant ganzas that you have described. (laughing) - While, Christian, I do think once you get access to this website, I think there is a person in your house that's gonna be really good at enjoy it. - Holy crap. - Don't you tell her about it. (laughing) - You've got no space for a shed. You've already got your job for a shed. (laughing) - She will, I mean, she, oh my God, we were looking at, like, property and other state and she was like, and I had to talk her down. - Listen, these sheds-- - It's a visionary, man. - These sheds are good enough to live in. (laughing) Here's what I'm saying, you could get one of these sheds and put it, it's a tiny house and put it onto some land. That's all, just live in it. (laughing) - What's the, what's the, what's the, were you looking at it? - We're looking at Oregon in this town. - And she saw something that had potential, right? - Yeah, yeah, it's true. Also, it's, you know, it's pretty nice in Oregon, weather-wise, even though it'd be like this crappy town, but-- - Oregon is pretty nice. - Yeah, we did enjoy the aspects of living in Oregon when we were there. - Where were you, I kind of forget. - We were in southern Oregon in a town called Medford, actually, and-- - Keep it away from Medford. - Yeah, it was founded by people from Medford, Massachusetts. - Oh, really? - Yep, that's funny. - That's why they named it that. But yeah, so it's like climate-wise, it's really nice. I just find that climate to be largely very pleasant. - Yeah, I can see that, I mean, especially for you, but-- - Especially for me. - Yeah, I mean, I do find it like a little bit, it's terrible, wind is terrible. - Like, yeah, it's really a bit rainy, misting, also terrible. - Oh, I love it so much. - When I think of you, I think like, yeah, okay. - Yeah. - I could live in Seattle, Oregon, for sure. - Yes, you know-- - Funny old England. - Yeah, exactly. I mean, I go out into that weather, and to me, the world looks just so vibrant and alive. - Oh my God. - Everything is so vividly green, and like, colors pop out of that, and it's like, oh, it's so beautiful. - It is actually really nice, but I just can't stand it for long periods of time. Like, I just, wind especially is my Achilles heel. (laughing) I really cannot stand wind. - Oh. - Wind, really? - Yeah, wind, that's my least fit, like heat, I don't care, cold, you know, you can just layer up, but wind, I just, there's no time of the year that I like wind, it's just really unpleasant. - Oh, man. - Oh my God, I can't imagine like, well, I guess you're talking about like, strong wind, not like, breezy. - Yeah, no, I mean, a little breezy, but yeah, even just like, once it gets above a breeze, I'm just like, bad enough. Stuff's blowing around, you're catching all your like, napkins, it's just like a non-stop, I don't know. - I love it, I love just being in a windy ass, sort of like, place, just like, it's great. Yeah, and if it's cold, like you said, I'll layer up, love it. - Yeah, I don't wanna layer up, unless it's a hot wind, then I'm like, this is the worst. All right, did you have an actual topic, though, Les? - I do have a topic, I feel like I've talked a lot, though, but my topic is related to what we were just talking about. - Okay, I mean, we could do that more if you got one, unless you got one, Emilio. - Yeah, I was gonna say Emilio. Well, I sort of have like a half a topic. Let's do it. - Okay, all right, well, 'cause I guess it's, and I was gonna ask you, Christian, if you wanted to spend any more time talking about like, why you might be planning to move? - But I'm not exactly planning to move. We're planning on having another home. - Getting another piece of our home? - Yeah, maybe. - Oh, that's interesting. - Yeah, yeah, no, not moving, though, no. Don't, like, this is home, like, for sure, until the country falls apart, which, I mean, we'd have to have some pretty crazy things happening, like crazy people running for office, and like, you know, a judicial system at the highest levels, that's obviously corrupt, you know, like-- - Clearly, yeah. - That kind of stuff would have to happen. - Let me mind, dude. - That's crazy, that's fairy tale stuff. So I'm not planning on leaving anytime soon. - Yep, yep. - Okay, well, that actually does segue nicely into my topic about travel. - Oh. - 'Cause I've had a couple trips recently, I was in Japan, like, we talked about back in March, and then just a couple weeks ago, I went to Vegas for a weekend, you know, with the family, and I was just kind of comparing, sort of, the different experiences of traveling to different places, right? And I had this thought in Vegas, right? Like, I was thinking, like, I was imagining, like, what a person from Japan would feel like. So, like, let's say you're, you know, just a typical young Japanese person, you know, in your 20s, and you've never been out of the country, and you hear about, you know, America. Everyone in another part of the world hears about America. - Right. - Right, the big cities, right? New York, LA, Vegas. And so you sort of have this idea in your head of what it's like there. And, you know, you're going to your job at the Japanese manufacturing company every day and saving up your money. And then finally, like, you put together enough money to make it, take a trip, and you're like, okay, well, I want to go see Las Vegas, you know, the Sin City, the most, like, fabulous buildings and the exquisite everything, right? - The Desert Apple. - Take the, the, the, the, the Sandy Rose. - Yeah, exactly. And so you like, you take this, you know, 14, 15 hour flight, and you fly to Las Vegas, and you get to the strip, and you, you know, take an Uber or whatever, and you see these huge, just, you know, beautiful buildings, and all these lights, and all these people everywhere. And it's so different from, you know, your day-to-day in Osaka, or wherever you, you know, live. And you get, you know, you spend a little extra money, right? You get a room at the Bellagio or Caesar's Palace, one of the fancy places, and you just really want to live the American lifestyle, and you go out at night, and you grab cheeseburgers, and french fries, and, like, pizza, and go back to your room, and you go to this exquisite luxury bathroom, it would, like, two sinks on a marble counter, and you sit on this toilet, and there's no fucking bidet. - Oh, yeah. - All right. - Everywhere in Japan that you go, airport, the bus station, the restaurant, they have a simple bidet installed, and you're here in America, it's all this opulence, and you're dry wiping your ass. (laughing) - Yeah, it's gross. - How? Can this be in this country of so much? - Oh, my goodness. - It's sickening, I just imagine how disappointed you would be. (laughing) So, anyway, I wanted to talk about the things in other countries that are better than here. - Oh, yeah, that is a good segue from what I was talking about. (laughing) - And, you know, I'm sure there's plenty of these examples. - Oh, my God. - It really does blow your mind. - This is great. I mean, the airplane, the Japan airplane has a bidet in the airport airplane bathroom. - Whoa. - Like, that is like, and it's not like it's a super fancy, I mean, it's a very nice airline, but like, you know, everywhere you go, they have this, it's just an amenity that people like want and believe it, and it's like a simple thing, and like, no one has that in the U.S., unless you like get it installed and it's a special thing. So anyway, yeah, so it, yes, thoughts go. - Okay, but wait first, wait, wait, wait. (sighing) - Can you explain to me how you're supposed to use a fucking bidet, because I have no idea how to use it without making things worse? So-- - I will say I also have no ideas. (laughing) - Thank you. - You're talking to a double, you know, two people who have maybe never used a bidet or-- - Yeah, or have either of you ever used one? - I mean, I've sort of seen one in like, then like, no, let me see if I can figure this out, and I try to figure it out, and I'm like, I don't think I can figure this out. And so I don't do it. - Okay, okay, well, I don't know, you may be talking about the bidet that is the European bidet, which is like a separate device. And it's like, you have a toilet, and then next to that you have a bidet. - No, I mean, well, actually, okay, first off, that distinction is new, but got it. So the one I have had exposure to was at my friend's place, and they had a Japanese one. - Okay. - Yeah, where I guess it's just part of the toilet, right? - Yeah, it's like built into the toilet seat, basically, right? - Yeah. - Yeah, explain how this does not make things worse, please. - So all it does is, and it does take, it takes a little practice. You gotta kind of get the angle, right? - Oh my God. - But the ones that we use in Japan, there's just like a little arm that retracts, right? And so when you turn on the bidet, there's a remote, and it has settings, and it's like, how hot do you want the water? How much spray do you want, right? And the strength of the stream or whatever. So you choose your settings, and then you hit the button. And this little arm comes out, and it just like sprays straight up at your butt. (laughing) And it just rinses it off with nice, warm water. Sometimes it sings you a little song. (laughing) - Please replicate, to the best of your abilities, the song that has been sung soon by a bidet. - It's like, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. (laughing) - Getting cleaned down there. - Does it say that? - Do, do, do, do. - No, this is made up. (laughing) - Oh, God. - It does work. And so, and then it just, you spray it as long as you want, until you feel like you've rinsed well, and then you turn it off, and then you wipe. - But how is that thing not filthy? - It doesn't stay, it retracts, right? So it's going back inside of a little place. - Yeah, but (laughing) and then you're talking about like when it sprays it. - Oh, it has, it has like a self-cleaning thing. - I just love how you're like, it goes back to a little place. - It's a good, it's a magical room. - Yes, it is. - How does it clean itself? - But how does it clean itself like the lavender? - I'm not sure I believe that. - Well, you should look it up. - That's what I'm guessing. - Yeah. - Okay. - First off, there are times that it goes in multiple directions. - Sure. - There are also times, which first off makes me think, okay, it's gonna get on whatever opening this thing has to its little place, and then when it comes out and it's spraying me, it will be on the receiving end of wet, of watery version manifestations of my poop dripping from my butt. - Absolutely. - So, it's part of a toilet. - Okay. - And so, just like the toilet, it's gonna get shit on it. - Uh-huh. - But it like cleans, and you can also clean it. I mean, you can just clean it, right? Like the way you clean the toilet. - Yeah. - Just gonna grab a thing. - Oh, I'm supposed to clean the toilet. - Okay. - I mean, you're not, you know, you're not out, like, right, you got, you have chickens, Christian, right? - I do. - You're not like going out and feeding the chickens and cleaning up their mess, and then coming back in the house and wiping your hands off with a paper towel, right? - That's true. I would never do that. That would be really gross. - That's, yes. There should be some liquid in the process. (laughing) - I mean, I just, it's, I really, it's like I need somebody to, like, be able to show me so that I can understand it because, you know, when you're trying to figure this out, you're on your own. - Yeah, yeah. - And-- - I was in the airport bathroom the first time I used it. - Okay. - I was like, "Geez." - I was like, I was looking at the buttons, and I can't, you're tall in Japanese. (laughing) But then there's like, there's like little pictures, right? Like, one picture looks like a butt, and then there's like another picture that like looks like a woman's butt. - Oh. - And then there's like a temperature picture, and I was like, okay, I'm gonna just, I'm just gonna go for it. And I like, put some buttons, and like, it sprayed me, and I was, my, I was, it was missing. I was, it was hitting me like, on the, like, the wrong place. - Oh no! - And I was like, oh no, I have to like, adjust in the seat, and so I had like, adjusted so that it was like-- - So you moved your brain in the right position. - It's a position, that's right, and then I was like, oh. Oh, I see, okay. And then it was like, oh, it's a little, oh, it's a little too strong, it's like stinging, so I like turned down the power. - Okay. - And then I was like, oh, it's a little hot, and so I like turned down the temperature. (laughing) - Go, keep going, please. - And then, and then I came out, and I was like gritting ear to ear. And I went to my wife, and I was like, I did it, I did it, I used it, she was like, good job, buddy. And then after that, everywhere we went, because everywhere you go has one, I use it every time. - Wow. So you became an expert. - We are in the process of having them installed at our house. - Wow. - That's right. - I'm just like-- - I'll have more info on how to clean them after that. - I find it hard to believe that the water temperature will just be what you want it to be off the bat. - It's a, these are like $700 devices. - So they're just keeping water at a certain temperature. - Yeah, it's like that other device you were telling me about Amelia. - Which device is that? - The thing that has water immediately boiling for you. - Oh yeah, I think it's great. These are all Japanese inventions, I'm guessing. - Yes, that's right. - So, man, so you're sold. - I'm sold, and I think that in absence of moving to another country, like what are the things from other countries that they do, that we don't do, that they're doing right, that we should be bringing back here and incorporating into our lives. So even if it's not widespread, if it's not, I can't go to the Applebee's and use it bidet, like, at least I have those comforts in my home. And so, there's probably a few of these other examples of things like this, you know, like, for example, socialism. (laughing) - I know, I was thinking, that was, you're replicating my list in the exact order that I would give it first bidet's second socialism. (laughing) - Hard agree. - But I know you guys have traveled out of the country a few times. So, like, have there been things that you've, like, run into another country? Oh, man, this is so ingenious. Like, why don't we have this in the States? - Yes. You go first. - So, I think it's tough, 'cause I think if I like really sort of sat down and thought about it, I could probably come up with some better ones, but like, the things that come to mind immediately, like there's like, sort of the stereotypical, but it's extremely true, which is in Europe, the train system. - Oh my God, yes. - It's just so good. And it's like, you just go anywhere, it's cheap, it's fast, the train is just a better experience than driving in so many ways. So, yeah, I mean, that one's been done to death, but it's just like worth saying 'cause it comes to mind. But like, and then the things that I, you know, I spent a year in India, so I got pretty familiar with some of the stuff there, but like, you can't replicate a lot of the things that I really loved about being there. And part of it is just because like, human labor is so cheap there. And so, things that you would never think that somebody would do, like everybody at the dorms that I lived in would get their laundry, they'd deliver their laundry, and they'd get it back the next day, nicely folded in piles. And, you know, for like-- - Squeeze. - I don't know, I wanna say like 30 cents or something like that. - Wow, that is crazy. - And this is sort of thing where it's like, that only works because it's a country with, you know, what is it? Almost, I don't know how many people now. - I mean, they just recently became the most populous country in the world. - Is it a billion? I mean, it's-- - Oh, I think it's like 1.3 billion maybe. - Yeah, so, and I was in, you know, the densest place in India. I was in Mumbai, which is an island, or peninsula. So it's like, it's not, it can only expand upwards. And so there was just like, you'd go to a restaurant and there'd be like 10 waiters doing it every, and this was just true of everything. And so the couple of things that, you know, the ramifications of that, like obviously there's like the negatives of that, which is like, you don't want people's labor to be worth nothing. But at the same time, like, you know, people are getting paid to do stuff that they wouldn't, you know, it's like people are happy to have jobs in that situation. So it's kind of a strange thing. But like the number of things that are just like made easier. So like the people that I didn't really take advantage of that kind of stuff that much, 'cause I wasn't really used to it. But nobody who I was friends with, none of the Indians there like did anything for themselves. Like it was just like, there was always somebody to do, and like they'd never had any sort of job. Like, you know, and nothing in college you need to have had it. But like, I'd had like 10 jobs by that point. - Yeah, sure. - You know, I was in college, like just little side jobs, you know, Dunkin' Donuts, like working at a summer camp, like all these things. That was like so out of the question, because it's just like, why? There's no, you can't like make enough money doing that. And so there's an abundance of people. And so human labor is cheap. So some of those things, and you just can't really replicate that and wouldn't necessarily be a good idea too. Then the other thing I was thinking from there, that I really wish they had, is just hundreds and hundreds. Every single place you walk to, there's somebody selling chai, or coffee, or just like, yell out chai coffee, chai coffee. And it's like five cents for a cup. And it's the best chai you've ever had in your life. And it's just like, it's ubiquitous. And that would just be incredible. If there was some way that that could happen anywhere in the United States, I would want to move there so bad. And then one time we pulled over, this I think could only happen, maybe in India. I mean, there's probably other places in the world, but it just felt so like a product of the place. We were coming home late at night. It was like a group of like four of us, all foreigners, Europeans, Americans. And we're taking the taxi home. And my friend is like, pull over, pull over. And we pull over on the side of the highway. And there's a guy there with a little booth, just like, you know, not official, just a little like, little thing. And my friend buys a single cigarette from him. - Mm-hmm. (laughs) - And that's it, and drives on. And it's just like, just the kind of thing you just can't, just doesn't work anywhere else in the world. But there's all, somebody is always ready to do or provide. If there's something that you are looking for, it's like, there's some way to make that happen. And that was kind of, it was, you know, there's a lot of stuff around that that's maybe bad, but it was kind of incredible in the experience of it. - Yeah. - How many times have you been to India, Emilio? - I've been twice now. - Do you have that same experience? Sorry, it sounded like you were gonna ask your question, but I was curious if that was consistent with your experiences. - Not so much, so, like my trips to India were when I was pretty young. Well, okay, the first trip was very young, like, I don't know, six years old. The second time I was maybe 13 or 14. - Okay. - Like, I wasn't like, buying anything for myself, or like sort of taking advantage of any services. And also, we were staying like a lot with family, and like, so I think I was really exposed to like the real of India as much as last was, by any stretch. Like, you know, we were at our family's nice house, or like at a hotel, and doing like really touristy stuff. And like, so yeah, I don't think I had, I don't remember sort of specifically stuff like that, like getting tea or coffee or anything like that. Like I wouldn't have wanted coffee at that age, probably. - Yeah, it's definitely different as an adult, like just exploring on your own, then, you know, going as like a family trip as a kid. Have a different experience. - Yeah. - The Japanese version of the street tea or coffee is vending machine. - Oh, God, everywhere, right? - Hot and cold. - Yeah. - It's, and you can, and they're everywhere, they're everywhere, they're like, every block is like a set of vending machines. Cold drinks, or with hot drinks, you can grab tea, you can get coffee, right? - Just love preheating things. (laughing) - Just burning that energy, you think more. - Amazing. - And you know, you know why it works? 'Cause they have socialism. - Oh, just a little bit. - Just a little bit, not too much. - That's the type. - Not to, you know, not to the point where like, you know, anything, yeah, just, you know, just enough to make the trains run on time. (laughing) - Well, I think that I would bring the city planning of some of the European cities where I've been to the US. So like, you know, when you go to these cities, and so I've been to, you know, I've been to like a few, like, you know, major cities of Europe, right? Like I've been to Amsterdam, I've been to France, I've been to Barcelona, I've been to Rome and Florence and Venice, and you've been to lots of these places too, as I think. - Yep. - And I, you know, when I'm in these cities, the thing that's sort of like is most apparent is that I can just get to somewhere by walking. And like, it'll be somewhere good and worth my time and which I'll really enjoy having had access to. And then I could walk to a park and then I could walk back to the place that I'm staying, which is in a city. And I just really like that. And there will be like public spaces for spending time, not just parks, but maybe plazas, you know, where there may also be-- - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, they may also be people performing music or restaurants along the periphery where you can sit outside and you're in the plaza and also being served a nice meal and drink. You know, man, I really wish we had that kind of thing in this country, that kind of density of urban city, you know, areas and the planfulness of those. So-- - Oh, yeah. - I'd really like that. - Why it's, I completely agree. And while you're saying that, I feel like maybe Cambridge and Harvard Square is one of the closest places to that. - One of the closest places. - What we're gonna get. - Yeah, that is about as close as you get. - It's just Cambridge in general, but in particular, those sort of stretches there in the square system that we have in Cambridge. - Yeah. - Which you can get through by walking, biking, subway, bus. - Yeah, it's so true though, 'cause it's not, yeah, and they're not like, you know, it's not like an out of the way. It's like, yeah, the heart of Barcelona. Like you can just walk anywhere and it's set up for walking. You're not gonna have a hard time. You're gonna go by-- - There's gonna be a great cafe. It'll be a place that's open for dinner until midnight, which by the way, I love how they do time over in Spain. That's another thing. - Yeah. - Just like people are having dinner at like 10 at night and they're not waking up until, you know, they're rolling out of bed at like nine, nine, 10, something like that. - Ah, the Ciesta is a real thing. - Yes, and they bring their children everywhere, you know? - Children, there aren't adult spaces really then, versus like children's spaces, it's just, you know, if you're out having dinner at 10 at night, your baby is there too. - Mm, I love it. - I went to Spain. I went to Madrid when I was like 13 or four years-- - I'd love to go to Madrid. - With a friend of my mom's who had a kid my age. And yeah, we were just like teenagers out at a restaurant, you know, with the families. - Yeah. - At whatever. - 11, 12. - Yeah. - Yeah, no big deal. - Man, and then maybe you'll go like-- - That's pretty great. - Catch a, like a show, like a, what's the type of music they have there? - It's all house, right? (laughing) - Where it's like Spanish guitar. - Every music is house music. - And dancing in a traditional way. Is it Flamenco, is that from Spain? - No, I don't remember, sounds right. - It's yeah, like to just go catch some Flamenco music, like wherever, because there's basically someone playing Flamenco music somewhere within walking distance every night of the year. - Right, right. - So fucking awesome. And you'll go and you'll maybe be, maybe it's in a bar that is in the basement of a castle. - That's been there for a thousand years or something. And it's the best version of that you've ever seen in your life every time. - And the bar doesn't even mention that it's part of a castle, it just happens to be. - Yes, it just happens. - Because there's another bar in a castle three blocks away. - Yeah, because there are castles everywhere, okay? - There are castles here. - It's amazing. The live music thing is, that is something I would want so much. - Yeah, also like Boston and Cambridge, to be fair. - Yes, yeah. In Ireland, there's live music everywhere. - Oh, I bet. - It's just like walking to any pub or restaurant and there's gonna be a band playing. - Oh, talk to us about your favorite country because I want to know what, if there was only one thing that you could borrow from there, but that you think is like sort of like a pivotal thing, like this sets the stage for why this country is so good, what would it be? - For Ireland. - Yep. - Oh man, I mean, I think it's just the like, this is gonna sound like I'm making a joke, but it's like the little bit of socialism. - Uh-huh. - It's like... - Which bit? What's your favorite Irish socialism? - Well, like it's just that work is not your life. And so... - That's a big difference. - Yeah. - It's just like, yeah, you can, you can, you know, people are more laid back about work. And so you can have, you know, you can go out late on a Tuesday and enjoy some music, right? It doesn't have to be a big thing. And you know, you don't have to worry about like, well, I don't know, maybe people worry about like getting up and working the way. I wasn't like working there. But it just seems like the pace is a little slower and more relaxed and people are having fun. And there's not this sort of like, go, go, go, gotta get to work, gotta like... - And now, to be fair, like, San Diego has a bit of that going on, especially compared to Boston. - Sure. Most places compared to Boston have more of that going on. - Yeah, seriously. - Yeah, that's something I've learned. - But yeah, that is a thing I've been trying to get away from is the idea that like, I always have to be doing something for, you know, a job or thinking about it. Or even just doing something like to, for like personal betterment, right? And like, I can just like, take some time to enjoy life and enjoy food and like music. And Ireland really was like, amazing at that. And also like, yeah, the structure of the cities is walkable and that's really nice. I mean, all these things kind of are connected. It's like, it's like the idea that like, you know, it should be like, a community, a livable place, right? Like, these things that American cities just are not. They're not designed around like neighborhoods and like, you know, they're really focused on like, getting people into their houses and then like getting them to their job. - Yeah. - And the best way to do that is like a car, like making it the best possible situation for cars to move from one place to another. - Right, right. And but interestingly though, I mean, Japan also has like a, you know, very strong kind of work ethic and like, you know, people are... - I mean, they have an insane work ethic, they have an insane person's work ethic. - Yeah, yeah, it's a weird cultural thing. - Yeah. - But they still have managed to like, like have really like, human friendly neighborhoods. - Mm-hmm. - You know, it's not a car, you know, Tokyo or, you know, Osaka are all like, you know, public transportation is very big and so it's just a different... And yeah, like, I don't know, there's like protection for renters, there's like basic like human rights things that are like really good in these places. But yes, I don't think I'm answering your question about like the one thing from Ireland. - I think that's, yeah, I think that's... That sounds like the catch all is like a little bit of just, yeah, it's like more, it sounds like there's more thought, but also I wonder if it's maybe just more time. Like all these, you know, Japan has been around forever and Ireland looks like these places, America is just so new and they designed it rather than just having it slowly, kind of like cars were already a thing when a lot of these towns and cities were built, so they're all these weird grids. - Yeah. - Yeah, whereas like these other places, people were walking for thousands of years before. So they like, it's like ingrained into the cities themselves maybe. - Well, that's a great, yeah, it's a great point. It's like, yeah, it's so much older, so much older, all these places. - But of course, there are like older places that are also like disasters, like Cairo, like Istanbul, like Mumbai, like, you know, these cities that are just nightmare cities, basically. And they've been there forever. - Yeah, but like, well, what do you mean by nightmare? I mean, like, I guess I just try to like... Like, I mean, like, they're so treacherous to traverse. Like, driving is a nightmare. And if you're trying to cross the street, like, you could be in serious danger of like, you know, physical damage, like... - So actually, I have some, I might push back on that. - Okay, let's hear it. 'Cause so, okay, so, you know, I was in India and for the first six weeks, like, I'll just say like, you were not wrong, it's insane. - This is terrifying. - I have some videos that like, I would have a hard time even just believing that that was like what was really happening. Like, I take the train and there'd be like 45 people hanging onto the outside of the train. - Oh my God. - Through the middle of downtown. And like, I'm like, should I jump on the side of this, like, and I'm just, I like, I go with the flow. So like, I'm like, you know, I don't know, they're jumping on the side of the train while it's moving. So like, maybe I should just do that, but it's like, what you sort of learn. And so, eventually, you know, I started literally not being able to go across the street outside of the campus because I had to go get like a haircut, or no, I had to go get photos for my ID. And I was like, I can't, I don't know if I can cross this street. Like this sounds insane, but like, I don't know what's happening. - Are you sure you're pushing back right now? - Okay, no, no, but so I'm going somewhere with this. I am going somewhere with this. So that was, you know, week one. I was overwhelmed. Everybody's honking horns. There's cows in the middle of the street. There's motorcycles with literally a nuclear family riding on them. - Yes, yes. - And they're all weaving and beeping their horns. And I'm like, this is complete madness. There's no, there's nothing. So over time, I was feeling more comfortable, just moving through it. And I was like, okay. And then, as I got a little more comfortable, my friend, who's Indian, there, he just gave me like the best explanation. He was like, you just need to like the traffic, the people, everybody. Like, it's just, think of it like a river. It's like water. You just need to go. You cannot try to fight it. You can't try to like, you know, bust your way through and hold, you know, put out your hand and say, stop. I'm passing, you know, you need to learn how to move with it. And I was like, huh, okay. And so I started doing that. And I was like, you know what, actually? And I think that there may or may not be some stats about this, but I would guess by the number of people on the roads, India, and even like Mumbai is safer than the United States, because they have way more people. And the way it works is you are responsible for not hitting anybody. There's no traffic lights. I would say there's not probably a single traffic light in Mumbai. And so what you do, and eventually, like I worked my way up first to a bicycle. And then eventually I had a motorcycle. It was my primary way of getting around. And what you do is like, you need to let people know that you're there. So you just give a light honk to your horn as you go through an intersection. Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. Everybody knows you're there. And if a car is bigger than you, then you let them go first. And if a car is smaller than you, then you go in front of them. And this system somehow completely works. And so by the end, I was just going through and you literally just move like water and you just go. And if you go a little bit and you climb off, you go on, there's cows going through the road, there's dogs, there's chicken. You just kind of don't hit any of that stuff. And it's your responsibility to not hit that stuff. And people just end up doing it. So it was insane, I will say that, but it also has a certain amount of logic to it. There's something there that makes sense. Also, the other thing is people do not go as fast as they do. In the United States, there's an expectation that you're going to be able to go like, 50, 60 miles an hour, even on a small road. Nobody does that. It would be so dangerous and besides the potholes and all that stuff, like just there's people all around. So it's like you just, you go slower, you honk your horn, non-stop, and you move with traffic. - I mean, I don't know lies, you're not selling it right now. - And I was kind of on your side at the beginning. - And it's all backwards. Left is right, right is right. - Oh, the cherry on top. - The cherry on top. - Oh my God. I mean, I've been sort of having a slow panic attack throughout the entirety of your description, just a rumbling, roiling panic attack. (both laughing) Yikes. So, you know, Barcelona, am I right? - Yeah, it's so good. (both laughing) - My favorite thing about Barcelona was, we stayed at a hostel, you know. Like in the same building at the bottom level was like a fucking fruit market. - Oh, amazing. - It's just right there. I can just walk downstairs, grab some like, you know, fresh apples or whatever, and like, and then walk off to the next thing that I'm doing, and it's like, God, and it's like that everywhere. It's like-- - At the hostel that I stayed in in Amsterdam, I went downstairs, and there's an amazing falafel place. - Mm-hmm, no. - So good. - But it's like, you only need to buy groceries for that meal, was like my experience there. It's just like, you don't have to go and we do a big grocery trip. It's just like, the food is always available, and it's so close. - Yeah, and if you don't have something, then you can just run out and get it in, it's five minutes. (both laughing) - I just go right down and get it. - And it's fresh. - You had mentioned Istanbul, which I do think is a bit of a nightmare city for traffic and pedestrians. But we had stayed, so I've been there a few times now, we stayed in sort of the main center of town at one point, at a hotel, and it's like chaos. But we also stayed once at an Airbnb in like, just an outside neighborhood. You're still in the city and you're close to stuff. You could walk right to like, kind of like the main square, but it was away from, there weren't really roads that went there, right? 'Cause the neighborhoods were designed before cars, so like their entire sections that are just like, you have to access them by staircases. - Wow. - Walkways. And so we stayed in a place like that, where you walk downstairs in our building and there's a little square, little plaza. And around that were like several shops and restaurants and people just chilling and like, smoking their Turkish cigarettes and yelling loudly at each other 'cause we Turks yell a lot. And that was like, so I think there are, within the bigger city. And I'm guessing, I haven't been to Mumbai, but I've been to New Delhi. I'm guessing there's parts of these cities that are human-friendly. And then there's other parts that are crazy. I do want to tell one story of driving in Turkey. I was driving, I would never, I would never, I would never be driving in a stumble. The rule in Istanbul is like, you don't stop moving. It's kind of like the water of India, Las. - Yeah, same sort of thing, it sounds like. - You're like, yes, there are lanes on the road and yes, there are traffic lights, but you don't necessarily, those are suggestions, you're just like, if you see a space and opening, you kind of just have to get in there. And so like, we were in this taxi and this is when my son was like two years old, he went to visit family and the taxi picked us up from the airport. And you know, you just hit one of these Istanbul traffic jams where it's just, everyone is just inching forward for like 30 minutes, just like inching, inching, getting into the next little space and the next little space. And so our driver, he's like, ah, and he just pulls over, like, you know, not even off the road really, but just kind of to the right lane and hops out. And he goes and grabs like a tea from the guy selling tea on the side and like nobody hogs or anything, everyone just kind of like slowly goes around him into the spaces that open up. He grabs a tea and he comes back and he smokes a cigarette. And then he's like, he's got like the tea in one hand. And like, it's in like a glass. It's not like a, like a plastic cup or anything, right? - Yeah. - And he's got like this glass tea and he's like smoking. And then he's like, he's like driving with one hand and like, he starts looking back at Rohan at my son and he's like, oh, the baby. And he starts like reaching back and like tickling him. 'Cause Turkish people, I don't know if you guys know this. Turkish people love babies. They love babies. So he's like, oh, the baby and he's like tickling my son with like kind of looking back at us with like one hand on the wheel and like he's sort of like bouncing his tea on the, on the dashboard and it just drives us to the hotel. - Wow. - That is the Turkish driving experience. - Wow. - Whoa, man. - That's incredible. They will take your baby, like if you go there with the baby to a restaurant, they'll just like, the people who work at the restaurant be like, oh, and they'll like grab the baby and like walk off with it and they'll just play with it for while you eat. - What? - You have been loved by terrifying. - I think they will take your baby. - I was worried about this, but like my family was like, you know, you're going there with the baby. They love babies. They're going to take your baby. Okay. And like sure enough, it happened a couple of times where someone would just be like, oh, like get all excited and like just pick them up and start playing with them without asking or anything. - Oh my goodness. - I mean, I do kind of love the idea of such a like, baby positive culture. That's kind of amazing. - Yeah. Yeah, as long as there's no. Yeah, nothing weird that goes on with that. - Right. - Yeah, it's a cool idea. - Man, terrifying. But like I'm not like opposed to it. I'm just sort of like, oh my God, it's so scary to me. - Yeah. - Oh yeah, it's double. It feels like you're going to get in an accident every five seconds. (laughing) It's just, it's like a ride in like a amusement park. - Man. - Yeah. - Yeah, actually one thing that just reminded me of, the night that I got into India, for some reason, the dogs that are like, there's like wild dogs in the streets, quite a few of them. And a lot of animals that people are very nice to, and like protective of, and you know, obviously cows and steer and whatever else, like are very protected. And you could never injure an animal, but the night that I got there, that our taxi driver was just hell-bent on like killing a dog with his car. - Oh. - Like he was just like, he just wanted, he was like, it's like he saw them as like a scourge on the city or something like that. And he kept telling me, he's like, dad, he's a dog. Like, you know, he was just like swerving over and almost hitting them. And I was like, just sweating, like already. I was like, what the fuck is this person doing? Like, I know it's different here. I know the dogs mean something else, but like, this is insane. Like this guy should not be trying to kill these dogs with his car. - Oh my God. - Jesus. - It's just terrifying to me, terrifying. I remember Tiffany and I when we were in Sri Lanka and you know, we were going, we were doing hours long drives out to various locations. And I'm sure it wasn't anything nearly as crazy as like Mumbai, but like, my goodness, just, we just, I mean, we realized, oh, okay. Like, this is how it's gonna be. And we just tried to like play it cool, but you know, we weren't like that cool. - No, once you go like rural, like, you know, Mumbai, it's all city driving, which has its own craziness, but rural, I mean, I would guess, I went to rural India a few times, I'm guessing, it's probably similar to Sri Lanka, like they drive faster and just more wild, like there's not as many cars necessarily. But I mean, it was like, that was scarier to me actually than being, like once I got used to being in the city, at the beginning, the city was crazier, but I was like, when I would take those drives outside of the city, I was like, they're gonna fall off the edge here, they're gonna like hit this person, like they're going too fast for this situation. - Yes, that feels accurate to my experience. - Yeah. - Well, you had a topic, Les. - Yeah, so I don't know, we got time for one more. What should we do here? - I think we got time for one more. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Oh, okay, yeah. - Well, after I could talk about the gunpoint story too. - Oh, yeah, yeah, I'll try and be quick. - You do yours first, you do yours first. And then I'll, yeah, I mean, like, you know, it's what the people want. - All right, so I was saying it was related to what we were talking about, it was the 3D shed. So my topic is, what is the greatest hobby that you have abandoned? - Whoa. - And my, so my example is 3D modeling. So I used to do like-- - Oh, yeah. - I was so into 3D. - That was your thing. - It was totally my thing in high school. I got the art award though, what is it? Computer art award or something like that? You know, each, there was like awards given for different things. And I spent just like my entire junior and senior year, like every chance I had, I was in the, you know, art, what is it, the computer graphics lab, just like learning 3D modeling and lighting and animation and everything. And then, and it's unbelievable that our high school, first of all, had a 3D modeling class. - That was crazy. - And so I did two full years of 3D modeling. - Cool classes, yeah. - In the 90s, no less, I mean-- - Yeah, that was really cool. - Yeah, it was badass and it just, it connected with me like immediately. I was totally into it. And then I went to college and found within the first like a couple of weeks of 3D modeling like track there. So the computer science department had like a whole BDIC department that was the art and media graphics, something, something that somebody had, you know, founded. And they had their thing was like this intensive 3D modeling and I did that and like-- - Wrong. - I, you know, we produced this like six minute video and it was just like, I would say that was, I was, that was definitely like a path for me. I thought, you know, like I was so into it and just did it for fun. And I was just figured this was like, I don't know if this is a career. Eventually I just decided that like it wasn't really a career and programming was much more, you know, pragmatic or something like that. And so I just kind of stopped doing the 3D animation stuff. But I still did some things with games. You know, I tried to build some games. And so every now and then it would pop back up and I would like get a little into it again. But yeah, I mean, that's my like, my hobby that I would say like I took the most seriously of any hobby, you know, but basically abandoned at this point. So do you guys have anything like that? Wait, but before we go into that, can I ask some questions about that? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd love to talk about 3D modeling. I do it every chance I get, which is not very often. And you really undersold, first off, I mean, the people needs to know how much you've just undersold your abilities. Because like in the 90s, again, in the 90s, you had created this incredible rendition of the Imperial throne room from Star Wars. And it was so fucking cool. And then I think eventually you made a Darth Vader, am I right on that? Yeah, I did make a Darth Vader. Yeah, you completely recreated him from scratch. It was so good. Ah man, I forgot that you did that shit. Did you ever think about like, did you ever even apply to like a game company with any of this stuff? Like, you know, I got like this was in the, this was after my first year of college. Yeah. I don't know exactly what I was thinking. I mean, that's what it was. It was a summer internship after my first year of college. 'Cause I did 3D modeling, you know, that whole first year. And I don't remember if I never finished the application, but I did apply for a Pixar internship over the summer, with the goal of like going in that path. But that's a weird thing is I don't remember if I ever finished the application, or if I did, 'cause I ended up doing, I ended up doing other things off. My heart! I ended up doing other cool stuff that summer. Yeah, I'm like, what? Yeah, what else did you do? We'd like to know in detail. No, I went on a trip to Europe with Kasim and Anna, and it was incredible. That's been, it's been very fun adventures there. So that was good. But yeah, I mean, I took it pretty seriously for a little while, like I was just like, why not take it seriously? Like, this is like something I, you know, was very into. I guess now. Man, I mean, Pixar is very cool. Yeah. I don't know if you'd want to be working for Disney at this point in your life, but. Oh. But it might've led to, well, it might've led to like, yeah, just like expanding that skill set to the point where you were doing something really cool outside of Disney, right? Yeah, and Pixar was pretty new at that point. So it would've been like, you know, I mean, not that I would've actually gotten it. Who knows? But like, yeah, I mean, that was, the thinking was like this, they were the newest, new kids on the block kind of thing. New tech, they had their own thing. They were the top, you know, the top thing. Man, that is so funny. But yeah, I mean, it was all like, I think it was like something about the, there was 3D modeling is very like, I don't really consider myself an artist in the way that I think of like actual artists who like they have like a, they're trying to do something with their art. And I appreciate that. And that's what I like about, you know, like with art that I like has something behind it. And I don't think that I ever produced anything like that. The thing that I was good at though, it was much more technical skill is like, I could look at something and then reproduce it in like lots of mediums, like whatever the medium was. Like I could, you know, I did a little pastel drawing too. And it was like just taking a photo and making that photo turn into a pastel drawing. I could do that. And then with 3D modeling, you have to understand the properties of the objects that you're trying to recreate. And then just like plug those properties in so that you get the lighting and you set up the lights. And it's all very like, it feels very technical to get stuff like. And so something about that whole process, like if there's a part of art in like the part of me that is whether it's aesthetic or something, it tapped into that because it was, it's so very, it's just very like, you know, here's the thing you wanna get. I already know what I want it to look like at the end. And so it's like just relatively easy steps to get it there. Is there a, and especially thinking nowadays, the way that like 3D modeling has probably evolved, do you think there's an overlap with like the kind of coding that, and like, can you now like code a 3D model in a way, or like, or is it all like visual based sort of programs or like what does it look like? - Yeah, they're a little bit separate, but I mean, I did game programming too. And like, I've built a lot of 3D stuff with game engines. So there's an overlap, but it is, I think the actual like rendering and modeling part, it feels like a totally different. You know, when you're actually doing that, you know, you're, you have to think of things in 3D space. And so you, you like take cross sections and you try to imagine what a cross section of something would look like if you were to like slice it in half. And then you can like take that shape and then you, you know, go up a level and you draw another cross section and you connect them. And it's like, that part doesn't feel like programming at all. But there's a big overlap in just the two worlds because of gaming and that kind of stuff. - That's a great example. I'm trying to think of one, but I'm not. - Oh, Christian, I have one for you. - Oh, you do? 'Cause I'm, it's like, I'm just trying to think about, okay, what do you have for me? Tell me. - You used to ride horses all the time, Christian. (laughing) - You don't remember? - Oh my God. - How could you say? - Yes. - Oh, sweet Delilah. My, my, my greatest steed and dearest friend. - Christian, you were, you were like a full blown sculpture artist. - Oh, yeah. (laughing) - You didn't really fucking good. - Well, but you know, like when I look back on that and I think about what it would have taken for me to like really do that, to like really commit to it and like be planful enough and be like, just capable enough in so many ways of like growing in that field and selling art and like all of that, like, like I just, I just did not have the stuff. Like when it comes down to it. Like at least not at that time in my life. And I think that was the time to either have it or not. And I just did not. That's just the bottom line on that. Like when I look back on that, 'cause I just, yeah, not, did not have the skills to do. - But are you talking about the creation of the sculptures or the world of art around it? - Well, I'll say two things happened in. - It's a great, that's a good question. I would say, I would say both, that's the thing. Like I think that I sort of hit a wall on what I felt I could do with materials and artistically and that kind of thing. Like I felt like I kind of was working my way in this one direction in particular with like types of wire and like steel wire and, you know, aluminum wire and these large sculptures. And like, I just didn't solve basic things like how am I gonna display them? And how do I make them permanent? And if I wanna make them permanent in some way. And all those questions like became, for me, cognitively or intellectually like sort of a bridge too far, basically. And so I think I did hit a wall with my like artistic skill and like a past knee to grow. And I think I, you know, I also didn't have mentorship in a way that I needed it probably for that. And that might be because I'm somebody who sort of rejects or at the time, I rejected that kind of idea in some way. I was like rebellious against it. So I think there are just a lot of ways that I was limited in my capacity to grow in art just in the craft itself. And then that doesn't even touch like, how do you make that a business? And like, what do you do with that money? And like all of those things like who, how do you get somebody to want to buy the thing that you have, where do you go? Who do you talk to? Terrifying. Nightmare. So I just didn't have it on either of those fronts. Like, and if I attempted to, if I attempted to return to that, even with the skills that I've developed as a human person and also a professional, I still think it would be extremely, extremely difficult for me to figure it out. Yeah. That makes sense. Yes. You've seen it too. Like you have family members and friends who are artists and who make their living like that. So it's not like it's of some foreign mystery. They figured it out. Yeah, my sister and brother-in-law, like they have figured out how to have a lifestyle as artists and working artists. And that's like incredible. And I like, I look at what they do. And I'm like, no, I would not have found my way to this. Yeah. So, yeah. So they, like, I mean, I admire them so much for figuring it out, basically. Yeah. So hard. Yeah. Oh, God. So, I like, I mean, I like that one for me, Amelia, but it's interesting too, 'cause I just feel like my relationship with that memory and those activities is like, it feels so distant in some ways, even though it's just, you know, not too long ago, but it does have that experience to it. For sure. Oh, yeah. What was yours, Amelia? Oh, I was a rapper for, like, 10 years. Ah, that's nice! (laughing) Tower syndicate! I mean, I was, I was a, I mean, it was a hobby, of course, but I was doing it in a lot. Man, that's so true. Yeah, it's like, since, like, end of college and on-- What was the, what do you consider the peak of your pop career, rap career, or rap hobby, whatever you wanna call it? Probably sometime in between, like, when we had the, we had a weekly show at all Asia. And-- It's crazy. Yeah. (laughing) Every fucking Wednesday, we were there. (laughing) And then, and then the-- This is K.L.I. and-- Yeah. This Kiki and Matt and Anton, Optimus and-- Yeah. That, and then the whole, like, Kiki's other crew that used to be called Bionic Six, but then became the official. Those guys were amazing. That time was, like, really good. Like, we were doing a lot of stuff. We were doing shows. We were, like, writing songs all the time. We were connecting with all these other people. And through that, I connected with these guys in Miami. And when, kind of, things started to fall apart in Cambridge, I ended up joining up with these Miami guys, and we started a record-- Hi, guys. Every rapper, you know, or every group says they've started a record label. And, you know, in my time in Cambridge, we, you know, quote unquote, started three or four record labels, which just means you're, like, a fucking crew, right? Yeah. Actually, I have any meaning. But the one in Miami, we filed paperwork. We had an IRS number. We, like, did taxes for two or three years. So, like, it was legitimate. We had contracts. And we put-- I only was involved with that for maybe two years. But we put out this one album that I was pretty proud of that was, like, a compilation of a bunch of artists from Miami and some of the-- and then they put out, you know, without me really being involved, they put out a bunch of stuff. And I think some of those guys are still producing today. But, yeah, so that was probably the peak was, like, sort of in between, like, the Cambridge shows and, like, when everything was going really well here. And then, when I joined up with the Miami guys, and really the business. Although, it was really hard to keep that going because they were so far away. Yeah, too. It was, like, a change light out to Miami all the time. Yeah. I did a show in Miami for, like, three people. That was-- [LAUGHTER] I could say I did a show in Miami. Oh, my God. Do you have any thing on Spotify at this point? Like, did some-- did any of the records, like, sort of make it to the streaming world? If you search-- well, yeah, so the Hover Rock stuff-- that was the Miami crew, was Hover Rock 1R. That stuff is out in, you know, that-- because we were, like, trying to get-- that was, like, around the time when, like, I don't know, Apple Music started or whatever. I too-- no, not Apple Music, I too. YouTube and all that stuff was just kicking off around there. And so we had stuff-- I remember we contacted this distributor, and we were like, yeah, we want to put our stuff out. And he was like, OK, well, you know, you pay me, and I get you on the three big platform. And I think we did that. And so we're on there. And then, Kiki separately, like, worked in the warehouse of, like, a record distribution company, like, moving boxes or something. And he used to every now and then, like-- I don't know what he did, but, like, he would, like, give them some of our albums, or some of his albums. And, like, they would put them out, or maybe he, like, slipped them into the wrong box, and they ended up getting somewhere. But, like, at some point, like, one of our albums was in Japan, and, like, there's a Japanese website that has, like, the old distorted megabytes stuff somewhere on it. And, yeah, there's-- it's out there. I mean, if you-- yeah, if you search for some of this stuff, it's on YouTube, it's on different places. But I don't know if you-- how easy it is to find. Man, we got to find-- we got to find something. I could definitely find some of it. Yeah, I think that we need to play it on another podcast that we do. I think that it needs to be the intro music for this episode, and the outro music. Oh, yes. You need to give us something. You need to give the people something. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It is on Spotify, the first album. Oh. Nice. I mean, there's some songs on there that I am, like, very embarrassed to put out. So I don't-- like, I don't want people to hear them. But there's someone there that's really great. Oh, man. Was there a point when you were doing that that you were sort of like, this could be happening? Or was it not-- were you even thinking about it in those terms? Or were you just like, well, this is interesting and something to do? You know, I don't know. Yeah, I wanted it to be a thing. But I don't think I had a vision of us being famous rappers at any point, but I did take it seriously. And I wanted to be successful. I had-- I kind of relate to what you're saying about the art stuff. I just had no idea how to do that or what that even looked like. Like, what is my day-to-day life look like if I'm a musician? Like, I don't fucking know. I don't have no one to tell them with you. And the only really experienced musician I knew was Kate and I. And he was still living with his parents at the time. He would do shows all over the place and crash on people's couches. And that was the lifestyle of a musician. As far as I knew in terms of our level of success. So yeah, I don't-- I wanted people to know about it. I wanted attention. Now I don't want-- [LAUGHTER] Would you-- would you guys categorize all of us as failed artists? [LAUGHTER] Based on this conversation. Yes. You just realized that we just did not have it. And it kind of just slunk away from the industries. [LAUGHTER] Oh, you percent. Oh my god, you have nailed it. You have so nailed it. [LAUGHTER] Oh, man. I mean, what a failed artist do. They become fucking programmers and psychologists. Like colleges. Yeah, and nonpro-- Yeah. And they start podcasting. Fuck, you're talking about it. Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah, I say. But one thing, though, about that, right? Yes. That I admire in the three of us is that we did like go sort of deep on these things. You know, a lot of people like have not had that experience at all of just like trying something wild and like, you know, trying to like make it happen. Yeah. We did try, you know? Yeah. [LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER] No, I mean, I think like-- I guess like I don't quite feel like I gave it a-- like a real shot because I don't think I-- either I-- maybe that application to Pixar was my shot. But like, I mean, I gave up pretty-- like, I was like, you know what? I honestly like can't imagine what the job situation. Like, that was my thing. I was like, I don't-- I don't know where like money-wise what my life is going to be like. And I don't think that being a 3D modeler and animator is going to like give me opportunities. Like, that was-- that part was a logical decision. And I was just like, you know what? I'm going to go deep on programming. I'm not going to like pursue 3D modeling and animation. So that was kind of a more explicit. I'm not going to go for it. Do you ever tool around with anything 3D modeling anymore? Like ever? No, not really. I mean, that shed that I made. Jesus, the shed again. I think. We know about the shed, Les. God. When you were-- when you were designing the shed, were you like-- like, Grace is like, oh, let's do something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, let me-- like, were you-- [INTERPOSING VOICES] You were finally-- No, it was actually pretty like clunky. It was like, does this go over here? Like, I don't know. No, I actually have done it a little bit. I've gone back and done-- I used a program called Blender a few years ago. And I actually bought about 10 years ago one of the most incredible devices I've ever used, which is a 3D mouse. You guys got to take a look at these. Maybe they don't look the same as they did 10 years ago. But actually, you know what? You play a lot of games, right, Christian? Oh, sure, yeah. Like, so a 3D mouse, it allows you-- it's this little, like, think of it like almost like a tall hockey puck. But it has the articulation of you can pull it up and push it down and move it in any direction. And so there's no experience I've ever had that says good for moving in 3D space as this 3D mouse. It was just, like, incredible. So I got one of those and I got pretty into Blender again. But, you know, it was the same sort of deal. It's like, I just like-- I don't have the time for a real hobby that's basically a career and also having a career. Like, there's just all hobbies like that are just-- it doesn't make sense anymore. And that was before kids. So now it's just, like, totally off the question. There's just no-- there's no way. No. This is my hobby now. Whatever we're doing right now. [LAUGHS] Oh, man, just a side note. But, like, my son's getting into basketball. And I'm like, oh, yes. I get to, like, get back into basketball. Whoa. It's just, like, I haven't played basketball since really moving out here. And I used to play all the time. And now, like, he's kind of getting into it. And I'm like, oh, shit. I'm, like, able to, like, get-- like, do it as a hobby again. How tall is he in? Does he seem like he's going to be a tall person? Dude. He-- he's going to be so tall. He passed my wife this week. Whoa. So he's, like, 5'6". Wow. How old is he now, 11? He's 11. Wow. That is crazy. Yeah. Yeah. He's been, like-- like, the past month, he keeps, like, staying next to her, because he knows the day is going to come. Like, every day he goes next to her. He's like, is it there? And I take a picture. And we're, like, oh, almost. And then, like, I don't know, yesterday or today, he was, like, slightly looking down at her. Wow. Oh, that's good. Oh, man. He must be so gangly. Oh, yeah. You have no idea. It's, like, wobbling around all over the place. It's great. Yeah. Well, I think, how much time do we have? Oh, I got it. I'm, like, supposed to be making dinner. OK. I know you were going to tell the story. Yeah. Yeah. Should you save it for next week or-- OK. All right. With the being held at gunpoint story. The gunpoint story, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah. I mean-- We'll get to it. It really is Laz's fault, you know, not sort of regulating his use of time. Well, the shed situation. But I'll make sure it will make some time for it. If it's important to you, Christian, then it's important to all of us. Oh. Aw. So we'll make sure we get it in there. [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER] Yeah. I mean, I'm just sort of really appreciating, you know, I'm feeling heard, you know? Yeah. Yeah, thanks, guys. Well, thanks for listening to shed bidet talk. [LAUGHTER] Oh, but we talked about the days at one point. A lot. [LAUGHTER] Oh. You did detail. Yeah. I mean, I'm really glad. I do feel like I learned something today. That's like a content warning, right? Yeah. Some of the bidet talk. Is it? Who taught? Is that going to get us more views, you think? [LAUGHTER] I mean, that's what we're in this for, right? Only views, I think else. All right, I'm going to stop recording now. All right. Yeah, same here. OK. The thing is going to keep recording. It keeps recording, right? So all right, so then we just say our goodbyes there. Is that-- Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it just happens to be recorded. [INAUDIBLE] No, we're still-- we're good. So this will be the first time we have a clean test of this-- [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] (upbeat music) (upbeat music)