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Nuggets was a compilation of some of the earliest psychedelic and garage rock from the late 1960s. Before he joined Patti Smith as her guitarist, Lenny Kaye was a music critic in the New York scene and collected these Artyfacts from the first psychedelic era. DJ Morty Coyle also weighs in one of the pivotal collection released in the early 1970s.
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gonna waste any time i'm gonna it's a long it's not long but like hour 45 i don't think we cut anything except for like maybe one thing so i'll do a little bit of promo we'll get right into it because this rules thank you for turning into the only podcast where comedians going through rolling stone magazines list of the 500 greatest albums every episode drops on our youtube page every thursday search the 500 podcast it's actually youtube.com backslash the 500 podcast that's the way you can watch it join our patreon we need the money so please click the link at the 500 podcast.com and send us a little bit of green to keep this going and we'll send you some merch this weekend i'm in new york city i just saw two nights of pearl jam it was awesome and i got oasis tickets i got oasis tickets to go see them at Wembley i'll talk about that more next episode because i this is like this has got to be edited and this is so great but it's an incredible story of a boy and a credit card and uh at a postal code that will blow your mind uh but yes i will be going soon oasis next summer at Wembley two nights it's going to rule uh and then next weekend i will be in calgary calgary calgary you've heard of it cal gary california no calgary canada manatova no yes i'll be in calgary september 12th to the 14th los angeles the 15th and the 16th september 21st i'll be in point pleasant uh new jersey at uncle vinnies and then september 27th of the 29th i'll be at skankfest and then if my agent gets off its ass and puts me for some more shit i'll be there too uh yeah dude let's rock this shit till the fucking wheels fall off let's get right into this podcast ladies and gentlemen we have the guy that put this whole thing together while working at a record store in bleaker street in Greenwich village k met po in evokolous patty smith the rest is history as he went on to producer perform with the patty smith group through the 70s he's a bonafide historian of garage rock and psychedelic rock and put together this compilation which just celebrated its 50th year two years ago and he's currently a DJ on serious xms underground garage dig it rate review and most importantly subscribe to the 500 listen free on all platforms give us a five-star review follow me at josh out of myers on all social media and go to josh out of myers.com for tickets uh at the 500 podcast on all social media email the podcast at 500 podcast at gmail.com follow the facebook group on by crazy heaven and for all things 500 go to the website 500 podcast.com losing my voice. all right guys 196 nuggets. lemme yes hey buddy how's it going? you are you are surrounded this is actually an intervention for you. i know i have too many records i understand you know i won't buy another record at least for the next 20 minutes i mean this has been like you know what a fun record to really dig into and and what was really cool about it was you know we've been doing this podcast gosh man like almost five and a half years and and this record this record came up and morty who i work with has helped me write the show has basically been my shaman taking me through every record oh by the way just so we do it just that's jeremy up in the corner with the man bun just so you know lemme just so you're like wait do i really see that guy not the ghost of rucks rock past but the but the moral of it was the second we had this record coming up morty reached out to me and said you need to have lemme on you know this is your baby this is your darling you know you spend the time the effort and so so i mean thank you just from the bottom of all of our hearts for coming on and talking about this today cool well i'm happy to talk about it the fact that this strange compilation that i put together more than half a century ago has lived on into the future kind of fills me with a sense of wonder and uh slightly weldermen but uh you know uh it obviously speaks to a lot of people who uh who uh recognize that it's about the uh the heart and soul of rock and roll you know the yearning desire and that wanting to plug into an amplifier or play a guitar to understand who you are and who you can become you know it's really cool because we have had we have had like we've been doing this for so long where we've had the members of about you know i'd say like damn like eight or nine albums that have been on here we've had Billy Gibbons talk about ZZ Top we had Jerry Harrison talking about talking heads more songs about buildings and food we've had Mike Mills from r.e.m. talking about automatic for the people ZZ Otis Williams on talking about the temptations yeah we had one of the original members of of the temptations i mean dude this is like it's all which is so cool i think that's kind of why this show rules because we have so many people all chipping into the pot we're all adding to the jambalaya and bringing different ingredients and making it sweet but this is really cool uh to have the architect and creator of this record um more do you uh you know how do you guys know each other and like so here's so here's the crazy thing well he knows none of this part but so what happens is there's this there's this collection called the wild honey foundation first of all a big shout out to David Jenkins who is one of the biggest player yeah kibbitz at the kibbitz room on Tuesday nights at canners that we talked about all the time when we're on here so um what happened was they do these they do this autism research um it's a it's a non-profit with the wild honey foundation they raise money and they do these shows both in the backyard um it's David Jenkins Paul Rock Andrew Sandoval who is the foremost authority on the monkeys and the and their manager and um and my lawyer Michael Ackerman and so they put this thing together i know right a Jewish guy with a lawyer so they put they put this thing together and they do these tribute concerts pretty much every year up until covid and then they've gotten back into it and they'll do like you know two albums by the Beatles uh whole collection of the band or the buffalo Springfield or the you know all this stuff so last year they said hey we're doing another one Jenkins goes we're doing another one and we all get excited oh can we be a part of it and he goes well wait a minute it's a little different we're collaborating to do the nuggets um to do to do the nugget show and everyone's like oh my god that's fantastic and he goes however we're not in charge of this one Lenny K is actually curating and putting it together and we're and i'm like well that's cool i'll just come to watch that's out of sight and then at the last minute he goes hey the band all day sucker hey do you guys want to do one of the songs Lenny says it's cool and i know what song are we doing and he goes how about 96 tears and i go that's not on the nuggets comp in fact that's like the only number one for pretty much any one volume two of nuggets yes it was re-released but i and we'll get into i'm sure you'll get into like how you got that stuff so i'm on stage at the show i only meet Lenny in passing but i got to go to rehearsal and this show is filled with like some of the original members of these bands and and on top of it like the stalwarts of wild honey you know some of the bangles and the three o'clock and you know these these incredible artists and and uh i'm on stage you'll dig this Josh and at one point i'd bring my daughter Beatrix and she's standing on like stage left and i'm up there singing and you know you look to the sides of the stage every now and then i look to one side and i see Lenny standing there and i'm going oh great fucking here's the guy and he's watching me do this thing so to calm myself i look over to where i look over to see my daughter like i'm going to ground myself and standing next to my daughter and this is how i remember it in all white holding his american strat his wane cramer and i know that made me feel like oh that made me that makes me less nervous yeah you know and sadly we lost him last year but you know for a lot of us we got to actually meet him and see him i mean i know we saw him with gang of four right or do we something yeah we did but something really cool that jeremaia i think you just found out about is that Joel gallon who does all the video uh he's the director for the rock and roll hall of fame performances and the hbo thing who actually produced the goddamn comedy jam tv show reached out and they got the perfect quote from kim fail from sound garden on from our episode about mc5 uh kick out two of them yeah yeah but i but he but they pulled in the big like package that's coming out at the rock and roll hall of fame induction they're going to be using a clip of me and kim and him saying like yeah it's just a short line but it's beautiful yeah it's right dude it's right and then i was like dude you know i vote on them can i come and he's like i'm like because i'll be here in new york he goes there and cleave and i go yeah i'm not going you'll go to england for oasis but you won't go to cleave him for the rock and roll i think yeah no i probably will i probably and dude now i will like you know i have so much free time all right but we want to let you get it i'm going to do one quick sidebar to put this into context in the big picture and as we are six short of a minion like all good rock and roll stories this starts with a nice jewish boy right uh you'll like this this guy's originally from baltimore maryland there's a guy named bob plottkin who uh from baltimore maryna presumably he makes his mother swell with pride because he becomes a nice big shot lawyer in new york but he's friends with a guy named al traumas who's a and they're both avid record collectors they uh i guess al who's known as broadway al talks bob into opening a record shop so they originally opened a record shop um in the village right on uh bleaker hundred forty nine bleakers street um and he nicknames him he says one broadway al how about your bleaker bob so he names this guy bleaker bob they're there then they move in the early 70s to mik dougal near aid um and that's where this episode really starts and then just to add this because i know this is where lenny comes in but just so you guys know i grew up i'm from los angeles um there was a store on no rose called bleaker bobs for a while i got to meet bob when he would come out here periodically and he had a he was famous for his attitude i think that people could say he and al split up in the early 80s um and he moved they moved down to you'll dig this josh they moved down to 118 west third um uh the old night owl yeah the old night owl cafe the famous folk club uh that took over the site and you said that right by comedy seller now yeah you know so it's so it's literally these village you know mainstays when we would go into a new york as i'm sure everybody in new york bleaker bobs was like a landmark it was a destination place like you were there and and they're like the one on melrose i had rhino records on westward boulevard but everybody in their own little town is pre-internet i just want to talk about the communal aspect of how amazing it was that you would go into one of these shops and it would be stuff you never heard on the radio you never got to see anywhere they had the cash register with all the stickers on it and they had the guys behind the counters saying yeah that sucks here's what you really want to listen yeah yeah it's a high fidelity and this yeah exactly and this brings us to when it was village village oldies was the name of the store and uh this brings us to lenny k in the 70s and then you can take over from there because you were one of those historians well i wasn't exactly laguardia land but uh then i would come into village oldies all the time and buy by records and bah would give me a hard time for at least ten minutes um you know what do you know about music um but you know if you just weathered his storm for that ten minutes he really had a heart of gold and uh it was a great storm one day i'm in there you know plowing through the stacks and he says once you work here you're always in here so i thought sure so he hires me uh i guess it was probably 1970 uh to work six days a week you know in the afternoons from 12 to 6 or in the evening you know at night from like you know six to midnight ten dollars a shift but i like to say all the records i could filch and um i was just you know i was just working there i was also working as a rock journalist at the time and um would that be cream like there's some of the magazines no no this was pre-cream i was working for a magazine called changes i was a music editor of cavalier which was a skin magazine uh kind of there was clay boy and penthouse and then cavalier interview not a star familiar with those yeah i mean trying to appeal to uh a demographic that wasn't just not interested in the centerfold even though you know but you know you'd have kind of classy articles and i was the music editor so i would write a monthly column for them and uh you know i was just hanging around uh you know new york city being mostly a rock writer and uh a record store geek and um you know i really love my time at village oldies late at night on saturday especially when i got the offer from jack holzmann to do uh an album of kind of overlooked and under the radar tracks from the 1960s and he was very vague about what he had in mind how did he find you uh i had there was an article in esquire in the summer of 70 uh where they did the heavy hundred of uh the music business and i was just kind of a newly minted rock writer and danny fields and uh the australian journalist uh lily and rockson were kind of advising them and so i was the uh token rock critic on there you know um because you know and i covered that velvet underground mc five stuges uh avant b for uh mostly a magazine called jazz and pop and uh you know so i'm in this thing and jack holzmann like rock critics uh you know obviously his his label was very you know a smart label i mean they had the doors they had tim buckley they had uh all matter of uh you know intelligent uh rockers and folkers and uh so he called me up one day and asked me if i would be um an independent talent scout for him um in the end they never were appreciative of what i tried to bring them i tried them to keep the stuges to make a third album i tried to get them to release the stalk forest album which uh the group that became blue oyster cult oh wow you know and i did turn down fallen oats and things like that i mean you know i was playing about the avant wing of of rock and roll but he had this idea for an album called nuggets uh and he was really vague about it um uh he i said one of his suggestions was a group called serpent power which has a 12-minute track called endless tunnel which is fantastic but you know i would take up an entire side of an album uh yeah he made a suggestion of a little Anthony the imperial's track from their psychedelic record he didn't really know it was like three or four suggestions and he handed me the project and told me to assemble a list uh and at the time you know i was working in village oldies i had been in what would be called garage bands in the 1960s i had a group called the zoo out of central jersey playing uh the fraternity circuit and the uh local clubs and so you know i kind of grew up with this music and it struck me though more subliminally than anything else that this was kind of uh what i called a transition period from the time of pretty abrupt hit singles manufactured by the music business through groups that were very much influenced by the british invasion on their way to becoming full-fledged progressive rockers a la the grateful dead or uh you know the san francisco bands but there seemed to be a little window in a time that you know i kind of like those times when things are very blurry that that you know people are starting to gather energy that there's a whole palette of new sounds and technologies and and they're getting very experimental but they don't know what it is i mean now we call it garage rock and yeah that's a genre you know fuzz tone in the owling lead singer and uh you know kind of uh punkish lyrics but at the time and especially on my record i just basically gathered a bunch of songs that subliminally fit together i'd be at village oldies on a saturday night i'd be having a couple beers i'd be pulling records from the uh the racks and kind of spinning them for my own amusement uh there were some rare records that i like there was some that didn't seem to fit a genre and if you listen to my original nuggets it really is all over the place it's not like these you know back from the graves and and pebbles and boulders which are very specifically garage rock i mean on my album i had like a group like Sagittarius which was a iconic rock you know a lot of the beach boys i had the blues project which really were not a garage band by any means i had some weird single you know the strange loves they were a production team you know who were like kind of jumping on the band wagon we have a bunch of stuff on here for that i mean you know it was really it was really like i just gathered probably forty or fifty songs put them in a list gave it to them um and then about two months after i did that um you know electra you know jack said well you know we're not really agreeing on anything you're bringing us and blah blah blah so you know we had a nice run so i said okay and about two months later i get a call from electra's uh legal department saying we have the rights to such and such however many songs what do we do with them and i thought wow this this thing is still together jack had this idea he called it nuggets which i i really like i wanted to call it rockin and reel in usa which thank god he didn't listen dude nuggets rule nuggets dude with an instant logo you know you look at electra records dude by the way i'm wearing dude i'm wearing my not even realize it i'm wearing my nuggets jersey oh my god i didn't even think about that what intentional i swear to god i i didn't i did not put two and two together to do that well let's put it put it on instagram for three but you know they you know i got a hand at the jack you know he didn't try to interfere with my choices he didn't say well maybe you should do this maybe you should do this maybe you should do that he just let it happen he had that thing which to me is a great record company president where he trusted you mean it was originally supposed to be a single album i made it a double album i turned down three covers until i got that marvelous uh a bourbon cover with the uh psychedelics coming out of the radio and you should put it up there because it's gorgeous i mean yeah it really it really is which i you know it's funny that i mean i'm maybe stepping on what you're gonna say but it's like we're going about the music that you chose and you're calling you the first of the psychedelic era but i that is the exact opposite of what i thought psychedelic was going to be i thought it was going to be all incense pepperments and you know and instead it's a game timeframe i have to say yeah sure but you're getting like baby please don't go like that's just good well that's why called it the first psychedelic era because the second one was when the hallucinogens took hold and you had you know 12-minute excursions um which i'm all for you know but to me it was a period where there was one foot still in the three-minute hit single and yet people were experimenting all over the place and coming up with these really bizarre records um my two roles are the facts out of out of curiosity who came up with the with the arty facts oh i did you know okay words okay that was cute you know i smoked enough pot to come up with anything i mean they just let me do anything my two role models and it's kind of a good one is one of them was like those late night hit records where you get like 15 for four dollars and you know you send into something you know kind of hits i remember when i was a kid they had these mr maestro records with the motor cycle hoodlums on the cover and you know you get 12 of you know hits from last year's hit parade and you know it's quite value for money but i also have an academic streak and i was really into yazu blues records labeled by nick pearls you know blues of southeastern georgia 1933 to 1937 and those were kind you know kind of melding that those two consciousnesses together um i was able to come up with a record that told a story of a moment in time uh and and also was fun to listen to you know i wasn't about to make an academic study of garage rock you know i wanted it to be fun to listen to and um you know in the end if i would have known a i'd be talking about a 50 years later and be you know that it was supposed to be about garage rock i would have screwed it up no doubt about it i wouldn't have put some weird wild card things on there that just were my favorite songs that i slid under the wire um you know i listen to it now and i you know and i also sometimes avoided a hit i chose oh yeah by the shadows of night because gloria was the hit and you know my brief from jack was to kind of dig a little deep tracks they call them now you know so i you know i i instead of uh we ain't got nothing yet by the blues magoos which is classic you know i i took their version of tobacco road because i remember when i listened to it the first time and it goes up a key somewhere in the middle of this uh psychedelic middle you know my head blew off um i was just having fun with it because i never thought it would come out you know and but electors stayed the course with me they just let me have a beautiful package i wrote liner notes and you know again those liner notes at a time when you didn't know that much about i'd have no idea who the magic mushrooms is you know now you could go on the internet find out all the names how they got together more details than you know but a lot of it i didn't know who these groups were there wasn't an underground of aficionados to kind of explain the those larger subtexts to you and um you know and really in the end i was i was first out of the gate everyone said what a great record well a) i had the pick of a letter and b) i was you know i had the opportunity to present this i didn't you know i i didn't make any of this music i was just a total fan of it but going by some weird instinct and putting together what i like and electro going along with me every step of the way you know all of a sudden in uh october of 1972 i have this beautiful record in my hand and you know in the end i can't believe it and now when looking at it i really can't believe it that i had such license to to follow my instincts did bob let you sell it at the store i mean was it like hey yeah no no no bob was was all about the i mentioned him in the liner to seemingly barber i thank him for the time behind the counter um you know i mean but again it came out uh rock writers like they've got some good reviews and then disappeared you know say wait hold on hold on can i say this a little side you know a little interjection because we always talk about it because you know the list are bullshit but you know it's a good thing to go off of and that's why we chose the rolling stone to me my buddy angler used to talk about it uh the moral of this is dude this has been on every list from the rolling stone 500 greatest album list it even made the 2020 re-rank so it's been in 2003 it came in at 196 it stayed there which i think is the number we're at today for 2012 and then even at the 2020 list it's number 405 so so obviously you put to get i mean who knew when you were fucking making it but dude you put together i'm telling you i i thank you i'm morty i texted you i think i called you free here you should i'll get you a free beer i'll get you some you come over for you guys are both in New York or i don't know if you're in New York come to the comedy seller dude come to this comedy seller see me perform and i'll take care of your whole check or your friends do any national mates i do it's all i'm the nation's top knock knock joke okay singing but what i'm saying morty remember i called you and went dude nuggets rules immediately this is you know it's a great it's a it's a bunch of great i mean you can talk about garage rock all you want and i have and yeah it is a really central impulse for somebody especially in the 1960s i speak for myself who need you know i was horrible at sports and uh not even that good of a student but you know when i picked up that guitar i had a desire it to to to be something with it the fact that i actually was able to do something with it over the next uh you know has is is amazing to me i would have learned to read music but um you know the fact is is that you know i i just there nuggets really it's not about garage rock it's about great records because i'm an you know any random record fair probably more than i need to be and someone will come up to me and say dude i have a great garage rock record we should listen to him we go over to you know his thing and we listen to it and i think yeah that's a great garage rock record it's got all those things you know that we like about garage you know snarlingly vocal and that and and and and you know but isn't a great record and that to me for whatever whatever i did all of those records on nuggets are great records forget the genre and you could make a nuggets out of it i was always been trying to do a nuggets of mid 70s reggae you know uh before you know where it kind of still is a lot of r&b and taking beautiful songs and then you got the uh you know the herbal essence of all of it you know i think you could do a great nuggets of of girl female vocalists of the 2010s you know katie perry and you know even tail or slip i mean you have to give it another 20 years you know you know you know metal i mean you know if you go to any genre and you take 25 or 30 of the greatest examples of that you're going to have a nuggets i just you know i just happen to get it at a time that would speak to the next generation that's what's really i think key about nuggets is that it it became almost a template for all the bands that would come along who are now under the rubric of punk rock which may or may not be you know a true stereotype did you coin the phrase on the liner notes no i i mean it was around you know rock writers used it uh i think Dave Marsh claims it you know there's everybody claims it but Greg Shaw i possibly he might be the real one but you know it's one of those phrases around garage rock hadn't been invented yet that was kind of really a way you know east coast didn't have garage it would have been like basement rock right i mean west coast is more of a garage sitting on my my band practice in the basement but it doesn't have that you know you're gonna be loft rock i'm talking heads would be loft rock yeah yeah i mean you know to me you know the garage is great because you know you're learning to tune up and you know tune up an engine and tune up your band and i don't know it's got a great ring to it but um and obviously it's the one that seems to have stuck especially being a disc jockey on the underground garage channel on Sirius um and you know i i understand i'm not into i'm not into definitions to me definitions are as limiting and that's what mayo of the red crayola said on the back of the first red crayola definitions define limit and it's something i've always remembered it's something we take to heart in the patty smith group that as soon as you start you're thinking yourself you know that's who you are and and you know as a musician i'm all over the place you know i like garage rock and i've played gloria you know six hundred thousand times at this point but you know i like everything and the more you blend it and that's the thing about nuggets is that it's not just one music it's all these people subtly aware that there's so many music out there that you could pillage from borrow from being influenced from weird instruments come in here you know you got some raga rock here and then you got some free jazz coming in here and you're making a music that's never been heard before and that's the great thing and when it gets the name you know when it's called garage rock yeah there's going to be some you know like punk rock there's always going to be great records you know i mean the Ramones had the template and then all the English groups became punk but you knew what those records were going to sound like my punk is cb gb's in 1974 where you have seven or eight bands with a punk sensibility whatever that is sounding completely different from each other tom verlane said each band was like a separate idea and you know that's what i like i like i like to be surprised you know otherwise you know you're gonna hear hear variations on a theme and you know we all like them i mean some of my favorite records are variations on a theme but i like those ones that are just kind of you don't know where to put them in the shelf you know you file this one over free jazz you file this one over and you know space rock who knows but i like when things intermingle when the orders are blurry and and really anything can happen that's a great moment in time i got to ask one thing before we because we want to get into a bunch of the song we want to talk about some of the songs yeah i have one question i'm wearing a t-shirt too i wanted to so dave gregory the guitar okay so in the in the mid 80s xtc decides we're going to put together a psychedelic they're not doing great with the record label they decide hey yeah the deuce the stratosphere stratosphere yeah and i go okay i have to imagine that swindon england is not getting some weird chocolate watch band 45 just showing up at some random shop and not getting the mojo man everything i'm going to imagine the nuggets box set comes out and all these little guys have their minds blown by this compilation because the first song on this record of the ep of 25 o'clock is essentially the first song we're going to do today you know it owes a tremendous debt to the virgin prunes and i was how were you aware of it when this came out in like 85 i was aware of it i mean the interesting thing about nuggets because it's it's all american groups essentially right is that i didn't realize the impact it was going to make in america i mean over here you're going to miss me by the 13th floor elevators you could hear it on am radio that's the first place i heard it wasn't even fm at that point um you know dirty water was kind of a hit the seeds pushing too hard was kind of a hit but when the album got over to europe they didn't know who the 13th floor elevators were they didn't know who the seeds and i remember the first tour that we went over to europe with patty uh and we're in denmark we're playing a joint called daddy's dance hall and i've never been in you know in denmark copenhagen before and i'm looking out from the dressing room and there's one of those scenes you know of trains out there like you see in old forties movies something wow this is cool we have the soundtrack you know we have the press conference and someone asked me says when is the next nuggets coming out i'm thinking what you even know about nuggets because really those groups were really mysterious over there and that's and i and i think really in the end that's where a lot of the appeal and the bounce back just like these american groups bounced off the british invasion all of a sudden these american groups you know start ping ponging across the atlantic and you know that to me is the great uh communication of music it's it's beautiful when people hear something and translate it into their own language uh you know and you know the weirder it gets the more i'm going to be putting it on my turntable i love that so that leads us into the first song josh because so yes so that's going to be wait don't mean to get you off um so uh opening songs the opening track on the thing i had too much to dream last night uh by the virgin prunes great name originally formed from a garage band at san fernando valley's Taft high school um the bird no it's not the bird it's not the bird it's the electric prunes i'm sorry the electric prunes my bad the virgin prunes is another band yes they're two birds they're like spur generation of yeah they're the fourth iteration of prune band well you know the electric prunes have virgin prunes until they come of age that's what it's called grapes personally i don't know how they lived with that name i i remember the first time you know that is the first track and in the summer of 72 i had finally all the pieces of the puzzle you know uh we couldn't get 96 tears uh we couldn't get some other song i see the light by the five americans you know it's ones i wanted so i had a substitute here and oh let's get this one and um anyway finally i guess around july or august of 72 i have all the pieces of the puzzle and i write them on uh in each one on an index card um and then i start laying them out like a tarot you know like how you know how they you know because i'm into sequencing i love albums and um even though they're all standalone cuts you know need a sense of flow and when i heard that opening uh weird backwards vibrato of the electric prunes i knew that this was the one that was going to usher you into the mood of the record yeah it pulled that's why i was saying xcc with 25 o'clock just brings you healing it's it's it's it's no coincidence that it's the first track on their record too that has a doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo that just you know it's a great song and and it's really and also written by forget garage rock written by two professional songwriters uh wheels lawyer and someone else uh and uh you know produced and engineered by dave hashinger who also worked with the stones and uh you know it's a really professional record i want to give a shout out to taf tai you'll dig this josh i'm an l.a. guy so i love anything geographically i get my little you know nachas of pride with that also taf tai was also where my friend epic from crazy town went it's where danny boy and ever last put together house of pain you know one of the hip-hop bands brad willk from raging ends the machine went there no sheen weedland from the gogos went there and we'll get into the gogos a little bit later and then for me personally you'll see the oingo boingo poster here steve bar tech went there the guitar player from oingo boingo but also the guitar player from the strawberry alarm clock who did incense and pepper mints which is probably one of the ones you couldn't get because i've been to a party where they played strawberry alarm clock records but i've never been to a party where the strawberry alarm clock played okay name that movie is that right on the sunset strip or is that beyond the valley of the doll oh wow okay so that's what i was raised by every time i think about that yeah that's so that's a shout out to steve bar tech who it goes see oingo boingo former members they're still doing it but he's been danny elfmann's arranger this entire time all those movies everything by the way uh jeremy you owe me five dollars it took more to 35 minutes and 22 seconds to say a yiddish word so oh yeah we got our first yiddish word 34 22 where are you in the conversation you got to be making some bond locks well the one thing i was get you were nominated for grammys what three times for liner notes yeah is that right yeah so i know you can google anything but what how does it make you feel about this art form because the like some bands just have still continued to keep this alive as record store day i don't i don't write about any bands that are still alive that's that's my you know because you realize that's not what it is you know i mean i'm mostly historical writer you know i've written uh i've written a book on the cruners of the 1930s Rudy valley and Bing Crosby and Russ columba one crazier than the next called you call it madness and you know i i really love to write my my new book lightning striking ten transformative moments in rock and roll you know it's it's a way to really dig deeply into the history of this wonderful music and i do believe that there is rhythm and melody in a sentence as well as a narrative arc in a guitar solo and so you know i can kind of move back and forth between the two parts of my brain when i'm either writing or playing and uh i i really appreciate uh that in my my sense of consciousness that's the same thing with rock and roll because josh does the rocket you know besides the comedy jam you bring music to all your sets now i mean that's a much i've yeah my my show is a is a i'm more i'm more i always say i'm more Sammy Davis junior than i am like Mitch Hedberg you know i i'm a performer i i like to perform and that's it's just you're drum solo oh no do you don't you think that i'm not dude i'll i get we have a drummer at the comedy seller and i dude i do it all i'm on tables dude i'm i'm this i'm strawberry alarm clock i don't know okay i wanted to play the parties where they played uh josh myers record never did i already were josh myers you just say josh myers it sounds so much like a bar mitzvah boy you know oh little josh okay josh oh my is jam man yeah that's my initials did do that that's all right you're back to the back to the prunes which i never thought i never say in my life you think it you wouldn't say back to the prunes but hey everybody so you guys have probably heard me talk about how i've been in bands my whole life i love writing songs and 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that we want to ask you this here's where we get to start to dig into the breath of your illustrious career with some people might be unaware of obviously i want to ask you about your work with patty smith but i want to let the fleece army know that's our fan base that you co-produced the first two albums by singer songwriter susanna susan vega susan vega yes which includes her second album 1987's solitude standing which featured both the hit song luka which became a staple on mtv as well as the acapella toms diner which is i mean one of my favorite songs uh from that era which was later remixed into a club hit with a big beat back by dna however due to and aspiring to retain the warmth of the original acapella version it was chosen to be used in the creation of the compression systems for streaming audio which would make susan vega the the mother of the mp3 i guess you would be one of the father's too i'll tell you a funny story about toms diner it really shows something that i like to think of as psycho acoustics when we did the original uh tracking of you know she would always use it to open her show and so one day we thought okay sus it's you know time to commit this to you know to whatever and she went out there and she did it about i don't know maybe seven or eight times and uh you know i circled the one that i thought was the best as it came through and um that was it and then we took the record out to a and m in the la and we mixed it and you know uh luka took three days to mix it was really an amazing process with shelliacus at the at the helm um you know we met and we made a beautiful record i mean we just knew that we had made and also the first record which was kind of an interesting record because it's so intimate in a time when when things were so larger their life you know you had mtv twisted sisters and the allow for huge personalities and here's susan bringing it back down to just an acoustic guitar which you know i i thought it was a beautiful moment where the culture called for something anyway we're out there uh you know mixing all the hard stuff and then it's time to come to tom's diner so we roll up uh you know roll up the tape hit play yeah and that sounds great and then i look at the box and i think wait that's not the one i circled so we go back and listen to the one i circled and it's not as good that was a beautiful beautiful moment in time and now of course none of those other versions exist because of the universal a horrible universal oh yeah you know all those master tapes but i have to say you know at that point uh the recording gods were with us um like i said we listened to it oh man that's perfect and then we listened to the other one that's imperfect did you record with a click track or was that just a cappella off her head no i don't think anything was done with a click track wow i mean i i understand click tracks okay you know and sometimes you need it if you're going to do a bunch of complicated overdubs but especially in terms of a rhythm section i believe rhythm sections should breathe you know it's not like you're going to be faster or slower but you know you're going to move with the feel especially when a band is playing uh you know when if you're all listening to the click track you're listening to click track you're not right right each other i mean more like was there a guide track on that or did she just go in there she just went in and said you do do do i mean because that's right she's you know i got a DNA which i actually got producer credit on their hit it was amazing um you know they did a really smart thing they took that sample and you know i mean it was great uh i have to say uh you know lord love the gods of creativity by the way one more moment you sort of those you this is a quick quick throwback bleaker bob was sort of parodied on sign film uh there's a moment on there where where uh new men and cramer go into cell records and the guy is notoriously kind of a dick and he goes yeah i'll give you a five box form and it's actually filled the out the exteriors bleaker bobs when they go in there to do that but for those of you that don't know tom's diners actually tom's restaurant which uh is one twelfth and broadway which is the exterior of monk's cafe on sign felt she's singing you know when they show the restaurant that they all hang out at that's tom's diner it's all interrelated it's all in the end it's all in the first and first in sense pepper mains wibbles in time because the games we play all right let's get to another one how about dirty water uh but what is it the stand-outs all right although the stand-outs were another california band this ode to boston and it's notoriously polluted boston harbor and charles river has become an anthem of pride played at boston sports events uh leney tell us to tell us about how that made it to number onto the record or well none of them were in boston ed cob wrote it for you here's another example you know you think of these garage bands well this wasn't a garage band one of them was uh uh russ tamblin's brother another one was an ex-musketeer um and they're being produced by ed cob who's you know really like uh work in the psychedelic saying and he wrote it about being robbed or something along the boston river you know a couple years back but you know you got that hook line doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo yeah you know and and it's and the vocal i mean yeah i'm gonna tell you a story go on tell you about my town it's like you know good it captures the garage rock but it's not you know some kids in a garage and there are you know kids in a garage coming up with you know liar liar came out of uh the castaways came out of a garage in minneapolis um you know but this is a professional songwriter you know working with a group of professionals you know it's it's sometimes you print the myth and uh i like that i'm all about that but you know these were smart records made to get radio airplay was this a regional hit in boston at the time or was it it was a national hit it was a national hit it was really you know i where else would i hear it on the radio because i didn't know if you pulled these 45s just like hey i got this i like the label and you know i mean a lot of them i knew you know a lot of you know i mean i also knew that the groups were kind of under regarded and not really respected because they weren't this new progressive thing um you know they were still tied to am radio uh but they definitely had a you know a future mentality of of what you know what was being called for in rockerroll's glorious adolescence i mean let's be honest i mean i you know i am associated with the sixties and and all power to that but in the transition period from 1963 when the Beatles started to 1967 so much happened to me it's like the Italian Renaissance you know you had these larger-than-life figures i'm you know Titian and Michelangelo and Raphael you know all of a sudden you have chimi Hendrix you know the Yardbirds you know these magnificent groups the MC5 all it's a glory it's like being a teenager where all of a sudden your hormones are on overload and you're going wild and so many so many things that would become tropes in rock and roll were invented then and then you know you have variations on a scene you know backwards and forwards you're going to have punk rock which is raw and then new wave where oh my god it's a synthesizer and you sample it you go through you go through these evolutionary phases probably once every three or four years and by the fifth year something really snow you can really see that in the 80s with metal you know you have hair metal which seems to rule the roost and you know i'd like a good you know a little bit of a guitar solo and some crazy lead singer telling me to party hardy all night and you know you know the turn it's going to change the channel and you're going to have like these scruffy you know you know bands out of Seattle like who are not who are not pretty and don't want to be and i like when things change i've since we're on the verge of some kind of change now things have gotten so poppy and so i just don't know it's like there's such a sheen to them that i just feel like there's an underground waiting to suddenly start asserting itself i don't know what's going to sound like it probably won't be pushed on by guitars because i think everything that's been said by a guitar has been said 14 times over you have a plethora of new instruments at your disposal the ways to make music i mean the things you can do in the studio today i remember when you had to edit a piano part uh in the like you know the 80s or 90s in the engineer would say oh well come back in three hours you know and now you just flip it around and you know turn it on his back and do whatever you like to it in a second and it's going to change the way we hear music is it going to be is it going to be better or worse i don't think like that you know to me song is always about the same thing i need love i'm not getting enough love i want to become somebody i hate myself i'm frustrated you know all of these things that's what songs are but if you listen to songs from the 1940s you know the sounds are so different they're all you know big bands and all that stuff and today but the topics are the same that what what we want from the song to move our emotions is the same and i you know i personally find that fascinating i spend a lot of time listening to tiktok radio on series it's for fun i mean i you know sometimes it's ridiculous and sometimes you hear the song with a hook that like drives you up a wall and you think man that is so smart uh what's that song by gale i like a b c d e f u oh gee i wish i came out of it that's like a chaperone that go to whatever i have a 14 year old so i turn to her and i go okay what what am i missing you know i go what what do i need to know and then she'll know 30 seconds of or you know 20 seconds of everything she came up to me when i played her yes um i played uh what did i play not not round about i played one of those songs and she just goes because it was using an animated thing and it was on tiktok and she heard a second she's like i know this i go how do you know yes i go where would you have i'm the only one that would have turned you on to it she goes it's on tiktok and then that was how i go oh wow anything can come back you know i mean really it it's kind of exciting actually you know you don't know what's going to come down the pike what's going to move you i mean i had a laugh when m&m used that steve miller sample for uh you know of a song that i don't even think that's great in the steve miller callet can and i to me children he never beat children of the future after his first album but uh you know there it is and it's taken on a whole new way and uh it's part of our progression is a human race where one of the most wonderful we do things we do is make music kind of love it's our most beautiful thing yeah and then we look more so what's the point ah you know you are a futurist you are a science fiction futurist i am a science fiction fan yeah i know i know i so i want i want to move on to the next song okay well you just said there was so perfect dude that was so great more did you have anything you want to add i'm gonna i'm gonna jump into this one no no for this one just you got your boston thing yeah that's yeah so so we're we're going to talk about nighttime uh by the strange loves uh speaking of boston many people know this one from the cover uh by the jay giles band uh that's where i knew it from originally okay yeah so i have another example of quasi garage rock here's three really sophisticated producers bob feldman uh jerry gold steve jerry's dog gold steve and rich gauderer they've already done uh my boyfriend's back um and they're working the uh you know they're they're working the british invasion so they invent a stage you know stage name in a their sheep farmers from new zealand or something ridiculous like that jiles miles and niles strange but they make my record and uh which is like a remote i mean really they're kind of the proto type where they come up with these three brothers with weird hair and you know who just make up this character group to do these kind of things even though they know more no it's you know they're it's a very smart record i mean they did hang on sloopie uh by the boys yeah smart guys and uh yeah so i mean this was made you know in a very sophisticated new york recording studio the one in the void there was uh was rick rek derringer you know the rest of the back in ohio waiting to uh join the band and then rich gauderer so you guys know he teamed up with cmore stein and started sire records which we owe i mean they put out after a lecture i'm assuming electro like lost the rights didn't you re put this out on sire yeah and he was smart because it all of a sudden it was there for that mid that next generation you know i think it came out in 76 um but yeah but you know they were all in that Warner Electra uh you know uh conglomerate thing so all they did was pass it along i mean think about nuggets is that 10 years about 10 years after it came out i think i had one percentage point i was paid seven or fifty dollars advance and i had one percentage point on it and somewhere around the early 80s uh Warner Brothers sent me a note saying well this is never going to make recoup its losses so we're going to stop sending your royalties so yeah before the cds and all those compilations for everything you know uh oh yeah now now a few pennies uh you know dribble hands so i can uh go down to my local bar and get a vfl you know shot in a beer and uh what can i say by the way rich meat again those three beers i haven't made much royalties but i've been all over the world and someone says uh no nuggets would you like a beer okay sure you know i was gonna say one more thing is uh Richard gauderer so you guys know that ties it to the show is he produced the first two blondie albums but he also produced beauty and the beat for uh the go-gos oh yeah no shit he's produced other i mean Richard gauderer's got it they all were they started gf i mean ftg which is the three of them more nice Jewish boys and he also invented the orchard which was one of the first digital distributors of of music so this guy yeah made his bones you know i wanted to ask you about about you know because me and morty we're talking about about this band he's like why this song nighttime instead of the more obvious i want candy with that big bow didly beat i don't know i just like nighttime i mean really it's just songs i liked i i you know i probably liked it more than i want candy uh was i want candy a big hit before bow wow wow yeah i mean you know they were all up there i just chose the one i like i really wasn't that serious about it or thinking oh it's just a bigger hit or you know i just threw on my favorite songs i think i like nighttime because it's got that talking part you know get close to your radio can you really hear what i'm saying now you got me turned on so yeah which is a real peter wolf thing because we had bill burr on you had pill burr on for a for who's from that area yeah for the peter wolf episode and i was trying to explain like peter wolf was a deejay i mean he was a he was a fast killing the j gospan found all those incredible songs first i look at the person you know i mean a lot of their cars now but like really obscure covers and uh you know he he knew his records and i love that that's what i love about that because it's the same thing i don't think that i don't know that it happens anymore where guys in bands are as reverend about the past you know what i mean like it's it's just something like now like i'm almost too much of a fan to be a musician because i'm so loved the thing i want to just sit around and talk about it you know and there's other guys just just do it it i just want to lift a lick and have a hit single yeah yeah all right let's move on to lies by the knickerbockers at the time many people assumed this was the beatles i honestly did you know it's funny that morty that you say that because it's true it's like the the sounds like the beatles due to the similarities of their harmonies uh tell us about it tell us about lies they set out they said they're from Bergenfield, New Jersey named after knick and barker avenue and they set out consciously there's two brothers uh i forget their names uh bow or something but uh they consciously set out to replicate the beatles and it was a very sophisticated production they went out to la to do it it was produced by jerry fuller oh wow who had uh one of my favorite summer songs here comes summer in the most june the time is by you know a professional songwriter and they really worked hard making a great single unfortunately for the knickerbockers uh their record company was not equipped to continue to promote them as they should and even though you know their subsequent records one tracked mind and things like that are great um you know they just couldn't get any traction and so our let's file under the one hit wonder thing but that's what nuggets is all about one hit wonders we have one that's plenty yeah this is the band i wrote this in less than a half hour i mean you've been involved as a producer and so many you know hit songs like is that i feel like this keeps having time and time again where we read it was like the last album on or the last song of the album and it took us 20 minutes or or those band left it was just the producer and the singer and they like i'm just curious about these like lightning striking moments well lightning striking but it's also like you have you have inspiration and you don't have time to screw around with it you know you know oh well well maybe it should have been falsehoods too or you know who knows what but but i like the fact that sometimes you can you know i mean hanky panky was written as a b-side for i think a girl group called the raindrops by jeff berry and uh uh Cynthia wheel Greenwich was a Greenwich or why? yeah jeff berry yeah Ellie Greenwich and uh you know they didn't even know anything about it Tommy James picks it up here's it from a garage band up in Michigan only under only has about five of the words you know so he doesn't even have their words which are minimal he records it on a station at a at a radio station he puts it out um you know sells 500 copies in the local area niles michigan and uh that's it and then a pissberg DJ finds a copy mad mike um starts playing at his record hops they track down Tommy James the shondell's have long been dispersed he goes down a pissberg i mean it's amazing how the music business can work you know usually you work the other way you know you get a great record and then you know the buildings fall down upon you but you know here's a here's an example where all of a sudden and they take it to Morris Levy who uh it rule it records and all of a sudden he has the number one record for like you know six or eight weeks uh what a story and then of course a great career after that which is even better you know he makes even better records so and Morris Levy doesn't throw him out a window as we've heard so much about but you know i mean that's a great it's to me it's like you know a great roulette wheel you know sometimes you know you hit that double zero and sometimes those great records of which we know there's hundreds of thousands i mean i go to a record fair and uh you know i look at the sea of 45 you know maybe there's like half a million out there or something and i like to think i know a lot about this or that and you know i maybe know 10 percent 15 percent of the artists and you know i know that in buried in there there's incredible records i mean i just i just somebody just turned me on to a record called uh whereas i lost a piece of paper uh Cadillac in women by the drivers on Apollo you know i i actually went on eBay looking for it it's around hundreds an old record it's from 1970 from what oh wow it's an awesome record and i'm going to get it one of these days everybody go on Napster when i'm from the father of mp3 he's just told us how to find it well i you know i like i like the 45 i like this car well my thumb you know and spin through them and when i DJ i only spend 45 so i don't use headphones i know exactly where to put the needle in the groove and so it's like perfectly that's fantastic dig it dig it um my god this this is this rules all right let's move on to push in too hard by the seeds uh although uh really all the nuggets you know i mean they're all great but i just love i love the seeds and i in fact i just played uh pushing too hard last night at a local uh concert here in the pencil tucky um you know two chords you know i can remember most of the words and if i don't who cares and uh it's just a genius putting together you know they they are my favorites and uh i don't know about 20 years ago they played in some configuration down at knitting factory and i actually got to see Jan Savage playing that solo it was it was a great moment wow i think i did a gig i did a like a revival thing and sky played that gig and i knew only knew of him now i'm sure it was he was really as insane as we we went to believe he's one of those one of those one of those fellas and by the way the saddest story about sky Saxon here here's here's a moment for you he dies on june 25th 2009 and then a little later pharah faucet dies but they both get overshadowed because later that day michael jackson dies yeah oh i remember yeah so talk about a footnote to talk about trees yeah man in the same day but also a footnote they're like man pharah wait sky set who the guy from the oh wow michael jackson by the way yeah yeah yeah he's Andrew jackson's great great great grandfather um well we you know you'd found that that lead singer sky saxon also became a garage rock icon to a later generation including billy corgan and the smashing pumpkins that's pretty rad man for because this is this is you know it's like you said it's it's two chords but you know defiant lyrics this is this is proto punk it's it's it's a great song i mean you know i i i like to play it and i can play with any band i just say a minor to g and don't stop yeah you know yeah it's got that young dude thing of hey lady you're fucking pushing me to art you know of your mom like the buffrock at it yeah garage rock um so do you have anything to add morty because i i just want to move on i want to i want to ask some question but but i'm also like dude it's just like you're giving such great nuggets that it's like i usually will ask you questions about your life and i think we have some stuff coming up that i'm like yeah i really want to but but it's like you you've you're this is like and this is great i'm sorry i'm blowing right now that's what a great this is the best labor day i've had in a while guys well we're laboring on labor day here we are soft labor so we're sitting on the porch with a clam on the half-shelf clamato and vodka and you know gazing off and remembering what a summer it was uh that i well you know i'm gonna start crying i want to play michelle lagrand and start weeping um well i guess i'll ask this push into you hard you know because like how did you how did you in so many of your contemporaries you know with so many of your contemporaries falling prey to habits and abuses that took them out how did you avoid the same pitfalls i like to work i mean it's not to say that i haven't been a stoner for 60 some years now at this point um but you know i like myself i have no desire to obliterate myself patty and i have the same thing which we call a work ethic you know i like to stay up until 3 30 in the morning at my local drawing dancing to white wedding and whooping it up and whatever but i also like to get up in the morning and do my work and if i do a good day's work then i feel fulfilled you know i have no desire to you know and i've known too many people i've lost too many people who who got got kind of sidelined by drugs you know and you know i'm also lucky i don't have what they call an addictive personality unless it's about records and um but uh no i mean i i have no desire to obliterate myself um i i like to have fun but i also you know i also have no desire to to cancel my life and i've seen too many people yeah cancel their life you know for reasons that you know they shouldn't i i i i'm kind of happy with who i am i i look forward to getting up in the morning i get to think about music all day whether it's listening to it or you know writing it or recording it or writing about it or you know just you know having the radio on and finding some rabbit hole of of some artist that i've only vaguely heard of and you know traveling down and understanding who they are uh you know i'm lucky but again you know it's to me it's all about the work ethic totally totally that was great answer that was perfect let's move on do uh you're going to miss me uh the 13th floor elevators really love the names of these bands a lot of them i haven't heard of before but good god not to downplay lead singer and psychedelic sky ranger rocky ericson's contributions but it's hard to find another song that features the electric jug blown by tommy howl well you know this was a really insane band and uh they they lived it as they liked it they're actually a real underpinning of the san francisco sound because they went out there in uh you know start of 66 and there are a lot of texas out there uh including janice joplin and ched helms uh who ran the avalanche boram but uh yeah they they lived it hard i mean they you know they took more psychedelics that whole record the first album was made in 12 hours when they drove home from after driving from san francisco back to uh i don't know where they were you know the texas band right oh yeah yeah texas take and that's crazy label you know the international artist label they have so many weird things i mean the fact is that all of these groups have great tales and uh you know the more you know about them the crazier they are um i'm not mistaken a great thing about this is what we had billy givens on his first band moving sidewalks wasn't that sort of a tribute to 13 floor elevators oh yeah i mean you know and they did a song called ninety ninth floor right where we got so many floors going on in this psychedelic high rise it's all about having a great texas scene i mean texas is really one of the uh the hotbeds of of garage rock as as was kind of the upper midwest um you know so many i i like things from there because i'm not so into music that comes from the music capitals one of the things i like about cb gb is though you know we were in the heart of a music business capital but the fact that it was you know 60 blocks south of columba circle uh and couldn't have been further from the heartbeat of the music business so it had a lot of time to develop these bands they they were really all uh you know i mean for a year and a half they were just playing to each other you know it's 25 people there swapping members having fights on stage you know figuring out having time to figure out what they were doing and that to me is really important because these days i feel like a group gets together merely make something and they put it on the net and you know that's not you need time to figure things out with patty we started playing regularly around the end of 73 we didn't even have a drummer until 1975 by each by each member coming in when it was needed we were able to ordanticize our sound so that by the time we actually had the makings of a true rock and roll band we were unique we didn't sound like oh let's get a band together and then we can sound like 14 other people and so you know you got to have patience both patty and i are capricorns so i'm taking a long time to climb that mountain it's the work ethic right you know you got to work at it you can't get yourself distracted by you know somebody waving a pile of money here or you know if you do this uh you know you can do that i mean you know you got to follow what you do your artistic instincts and not not get distracted by you know all the all the shiny bubbles that people put in front of you uh in the music business and that's how you start sorry the folklore is true right patty you met at village oldies yeah she had called me up i'd written an article for jazz and pop magazine called the best of acapella and acapella was such a niche it was kind of in the afterglow of duop these bands they were hindrance and ross or like no no just you know like you know duop you know oh right right right and uh and village oldies was primarily a group harmony shop that you know times square all these so the the record shops would put out records by these groups acapella with no instrumental backing and i was really into this it was kind of from kinetic get down to philadelphia with stops mostly in new work in new and new jersey these bands who would go into a studio and but you know it was already the British Invasion so they were fighting a rear guard method but i knew about it i was you know i collected them lonely some of them were beautiful lonely way by the zircon's one of the most beautiful records ever made um and so i felt the need to write about this and so i wrote an article for jazz and pop called the best of acapella and patty read it and she called me up uh i was standing at a friend's house because then i'm an apartment at the time and she says uh it really moved her because it was the same kind of music she listened to in south jersey and we talked you know i'd kind of seen her around maxes or something like that from a distance um and she started coming in the record store where i work and i put on our favorite records and we danced sometimes my hero by the blue notes uh today's the day by mooring gray beautiful beautiful records and we shared them and again one day she came into the store and says i'm going to do a poetry reading at St. Mark's church this was in just about the turn of 1971 and uh i want to shake it up a little bit i hear you play a little guitar a little very little guitar and uh yeah so i went over to the loft where she was living with uh Robert Maple Thorpe and i grew up my little guitar and champ bam and i just kind of watched how she breathed you know and so and i play like you know simple chords ead ep dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum you know and and and you know so as poem got wilder we got wilder and that was it February 10th 1971 actually an interview my life really turned on a dime then because i have a letter that i wrote to Greg Shaw at the end of January 71 where we're talking about nuggets you know great guy you know what suggestions you know i'm going to do this record and you know we both like this kind of music and by the way uh in a couple weeks i'm playing a weird um kind of poetry reading with this local poet and i look at this letter from January 71 i think this is a moment when my life turns on a dime and i find it really remarkable anyway you know again we didn't do it again for not a two and a half years i mean it wasn't supposed to be a band it was like an art happening or whatever and um it's not happening it was a happening man you know and it's not a verb wow that's crazy oh yeah i mean you know you just don't know i mean i probably would have had a band sometimes i knew how to play guitar and i might have been one of those CBGBs bands but the fact that this whole thing kind of synchronized a life that i has led to uh the 500 with Josh Adam Myers and Marty and you know Jeremiah it's like yeah it's it's a pretty amazing journey and and you know later today when i roll up that spliff and sit on the porch with my clam on the half shell and i think wow it's so weird i like that year yeah Josh will get that run too you guys will duck back into comedy seller i was reading that uh i was reading that patty was also a rock music journalist she wrote for rolling stone and cream is that true is in a second kind of like an abstract music journalist she never really pursued it you know uh she uh her her reviews were kind of you know more poetic and kind of an outlet for her poetry makes i mean i was a working you know rock journalist i i worked for like four or five uh you know rolling stone and you know craw daddy and whatever you know disc music echo over in england uh you know i was you know banging away on the typewriter all the time but but she was more poetic but you know sometimes people would say you know would you review this and um you know she would review lot of linear for rolling stone and uh you know yon winner would kind of look a bit perplexed he would and by the way he'll put lot of leony in the hall of fame before the monkeys well yeah that's you know that's the hall of fame for you yeah i know right here josh i would suggest the next one you you can mention psychotic reaction because it's as close as we get to like a rave up like a like a real yard birds kind of rave up but the song after is the meat and potato let's let's let's jump into let's jump into hey joe then yeah i mean just we so we because dude this is this is like there's so much we we could talk about but oh yeah it's just more but more than we know what to do with your album we'll be here till tomorrow right well we only have we morty morty uh you know he helped me go through this and so he we picked out about 12 songs but it's great with everything you you have a great story about everything we actually we usually ask people questions about their life too but it's like you're just giving us the insight i already know that the fucking fans of this podcast are gonna like dude fucking mark mark the teacher and fledch oh he fledch is gonna shit himself so morty so what you want to say one thing about this there's a guy who does a podcast named Andrew hickey and just i have to give this guy don't know if you've heard him leony but he has a thing called the history of history rock music and 500 songs and this guy every musician seems to have just been turned on to this recently i'm like 180 episodes into this but he does a deep dive into he's exhaustively researches everything he does a deep dive into the hey joe mythos that the mythology where how deep it goes we don't have to get into that but if you guys want to know the real real Andrew hickey is a history of history of history rock music and 500 songs listen to the hey joe episode because coincidentally before i think it was the first recorded effort of patty smith which was hey joe no that's why that's why i wanted to make sure we got to this one so that jaw here you josh you take over so the this song came together from many versions several decades before it became known in garage rock circles different people added and removed portions of the lyrics and music and several people put their names on his songwriters in the process so it's exact origins are a little bit murky however this was the first commercial released version uh in fact the lee is recorded and released three versions of this between 65 and 66 obviously when jimmy henryx released this as his first single from his debut it became the definitive version this was also the first single you released with patty smith on your own independent label uh did you urge patty to cover this i can't remember how it came about you know we were covering uh you know we were doing this thing where patty would do a poem and then it would lead into a song um that's how her poem uh land look at this land where we have failed moon over the horizon moved into land of a thousand dances right with warrior began you know with her poem like jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine built in a pot of thieves and then we moved it into gloria so i i assume that that's what happened with with hey joe um i can't remember the exact moment where we sister those two together but by the time we got to the reporting studio on june 5th of 1974 with tom brillain in tow um that was a song we were going to record and um we did the slow version like jimmy because we were doing it in electric lady and studio b in the back v hx studio and uh um you know we we just did it uh jimmy got his version i believe from tim rose's slow version and tim rose of course uh claimed he wrote it so it's kind of a mess uh billy roberts is the one that should should get the credit though from what i hear it was billy roberts' wife who came up with this song off the circle of fifths um right i don't know you know songs come from so many different places and you know i i don't really read the writer credits unless uh i'm being cut out of them right but the great classic the song was really popular on the sunset strip for some reason uh yeah gave cross love covered in uh the birds and uh who knows who did it first uh everybody claims the first but the leaves did have the early version and you couldn't have uh an album dedicated to the middle sixties uh of a rock band then uh then and not have hey joe it's one of those you know instantaneous ones of course where's gloria the national anthem of the right right that's the last song we played at the nugget show was always coming up stage for glory yeah if i would had to do it together i might put it there but on the other hand i again jack jack wanted songs that were especially the hit you know he wanted a little deeper track and so i would dig for that deeper track and my favorite track on the shadows of night album was oh yeah the irony of course is that i liked it because it had a really great middle section of you know improvisation and when i heard it on the record they used a single version which cuts that whole thing out so i thought but you know there's only so much space on on an album but you know hey joe if you were in a band in the mid sixties as i was the zoo bring it down the house with your kind of music um you uh no it was actually that was the vandals the zoo was for your very own horror show um on our business card of course um you know those were the songs you played you played dirty water you played pushing too hard uh i remember us playing my generation and when we got to the rave up in the section set of things getting wild we sat cross-legged on the floor and played raga rock and we you know and i that's when i started singing gloria i remember the moment perfectly at the middle six county fair in uh it's probably 1966 and i'm singing it and this is my first year or two being in a band and you know we're playing a bunch of locals and and i'm looking there in the back row it's the girl that i had a crush on on my school bus and she i'm just looking at her and she's looking at me and i'm thinking oh what a wonderful moment it is you know and then you got the acting part in gloria which you can just go anywhere i've done it at weddings tell the story of how the bride and groom got together you know gloria has walked down every street i've walked she's come up to my room many a time and we've indulged in every shenanigans i can think of um it's a great song and it is the national anthem of garage rock and that's why i always ask people to stand and yet an irish yet an irish uh band yeah and i would have loved vam Morrison learned to do it in uh in humberg when he was playing with a group called uh the monarchs i think and sometimes the middle section would stretch to 15 minutes wow i just craved the fact that it would i would have loved to hear what those versions were like but everybody did it the door is the door is the door Morrison yeah yeah you know i heard a very late version i think on their live album uh like i would like to hear ones from like when they were doing it at the whiskey go-go or something yeah it's a great song everybody knows that uh i just tell a band it's eda and when i tell you that i love this it's like a chukary thing where gee don't stop yeah you know gee haven't i seen you someplace before ill well that's the first letter of my name you know uh who oh oh oh you don't like forever tired and then and then i wanted to mention as i said it earlier baby please don't go by the uh was the amboy dukes the full side the full side of gloria that's crazy right yeah but that's like dude this is like you know this is a staple to me it's like this is one of the songs that i when when i heard it come up i was like oh wow this is on here in this this upbeat big joe william's blues number is probably the most covered song of the collection with versions going back about 30 years from this recording and elements of the song going back even further the most notable thing about this hard-rocking psychedelic man from detroit is that their founder and lead guitarist was Ted Nugent um the long freak out solo jam includes a snatch of jimmy hendrix's third stone from the sun in Nugent's solo um i think that's ballsy that he is guitar solo he he he he he frozen a quote from jimmy hendrix bop i don't know he's a great guitar player i you know i i you know i obviously uh personality rubs me the wrong way but uh it's a great a great example and again i could have used their hit journey journey to the same mind i wonder why you didn't choose that which is way more exciting you know i love baby please don't go right that's the part where you know it's the guitar goes like an elephant i just so whoa i mean really the album nuggets is very self-indulgent gotta say i put my favorite songs on it i was allowed to my brief was that i could and so i would i mean it closes with that insane uh it's a happening by the magic mushrooms uh i i i was lucky you know i i just you know some of those records were what four years old five years wondering yeah you know i mean you're going all the way back to 2018 man 2019 um i don't know i just and it that it seemed like it was such a long distance that's the thing it's like an era had passed and i was too close to it to understand why it had passed or see it where it was going in the future but i it just felt like this this needed to be remembered and documented and enjoyed and uh i i was given an opportunity by jack holzmann that really i feel blessed about every every single day because the album has a life of its own everywhere i go somebody says you know how much nuggets meant to them and you know i say yeah means a lot to me too josh and i were talking about earlier was like a lot of these guys must have like they did their single a couple songs and then they moved on with their lives they went and everyone wanted to license it they said hey electric's interested us let's get the band back together right i was wondering yeah five years later they're like somebody gives it would say say me jerry harrison how the modern lovers record didn't come out and then by the time it came out he'd already gone back to college and then now he's one of these architects of punk rock a new wave and the talking heads are like we can get the guy from modern levers and the guy from modern levers is like in college going well that was i did it i did music now i moved on with my life yeah you just you don't know i mean it is it's like playing pinball the music business and sometimes you know you're able to get through all the bells and whistles and and and keep on doing what you hope to be doing and i feel lucky yeah that's what my life is about you know i was trying to try to as they say in spinal tap have a good time all the time i don't know if you might have just answered here but was everybody that you offered honored or were there a lot of people shitty about it or anybody should you know it depended on who owned a licensing essentially i didn't deal with any of that the secret uh the secret weapon in nuggets was a guy named michael cap who was the son of micky cap of cap records and he was a lawyer and he was in charge of licensing at a time when you know rhino now has an entire department devoted to getting licenses and putting all these piece together you know he had a track down whoever owned these weird records get their signature on a piece of paper and he did something very smart he got it without a timeline you know he got the rights to use in perpetuating in in perpetuity so when we were issued nuggets you have to re renegotiate um and um he was dogged about it you know i remember we had like 24 tracks and 25 and i'm saying well let's try to get this one and you go and you know pull it in um what happened with the second nuggets because they did pick up the option pretty quickly is that not only did jack Holzman leave the company but they michael cap went to a different department and so they had another lawyer and after about you know six or eight or nine months whatever i said what's happened i said well you know we've almost got the rights to three songs and then you know it just kind of vanished into haze but i feel very lucky that when the fiftieth anniversary came along rhino records uh in the in the person of patrick milligan was very anxious to put out volume two a golden anniversary edition a box set with volume two as its thing and i was able to take out my original uh list of what i hope for on nuggets and uh you know rhino went to town and they they made a volume two in my image i mean i like the rhino box but there's some things on the rhino box that i wouldn't have put on there and they also some things that were drawn from my list and then you got you know all these kind of you know fake nuggets and i mean you know all this stuff but i have to say that the volume two that came out of about a year and a half ago uh is my vision of what nuggets volume two would have been i mean it sounds a little different than it would have 50 years ago i mean i had to take a couple songs off that like time won't let me which is so old we're familiar you know it's a great song but it's like oh you know we've heard it you know some of those songs that were kind of under the wire are are are too known now and so i was able to insert some weirder things but um you know in the end it was a great kind of uh bookend to this concept of nuggets and then i went and did about ten nuggets shows i was going to say our show is very different you know wild honey show is um a ridiculously uh professional i mean that a string section for the mojo men's song you know three drummers moving in and out it was such an you know then that we did it at uh the chapel in san francisco that was kind of a good rock dive fun jello biafra and penelope from the avengers we did two nights at the city winery with a lot of vocals that was really a good one um played uh the cat's cradle in north carolina recorded it for a live record which came out last uh um record store day including and includes my famous mashup of um the letter by the box tops uh oh it's jilton right yeah and it's not run run into run run run by development around i love it when i love it by a zz top so i love that i don't record i love it when i love it when like a fact from the podcast past comes up in another thing and i'm like ah i'm learning i'm glad you got to get all three star records and then we finished up uh in london at the hundred club for two nights which was really hilarious uh grad skabies on drums and uh you know a bunch of people uh and then we did skabies i i want to be your dog and uh brine james from the dammed and cheetah chrome from the dead boys were playing guitars so i figure i'll have to play guitar so i just sang and i took my shirt off and uh did the all the yiggy moves and then i crowd served over we had pita butter there you could have been nutella well i could have you know uh but anyway it's been a great celebration uh i probably won't be doing it anymore because uh i don't want to be a tribute band and i'm starting to feel like you know the sounds of the sixties uh i i was in a garage band once um i understand it i love i love to play those songs but really i'm more interested in my new band which is called adrift it's uh a goth psych jam band oh my god it's pretty good it's dark and uh lots of guitar solos and it's fun so that that's my my uh modus uh do you have a you have a track uh we could play at the end of the podcast you could say well it's actually we're still a work in progress we haven't gotten to a real studio but um you know anybody you know we're working on it um you know we're a power trio and uh it's really fun if you want to hear what it sounds like i don't know if you can steal the uh the sound but it's uh adrift at rock hard studios here in Stroudsburg Pennsylvania and uh you know we just went there and did a live video uh performance of three of the songs oh right oh you know it's a really good download it yeah you know see see what you can do uh but it's it's pretty fun i have to say i am really enjoying it and yeah it's a new direction for me man i love that people are evolving i love that dude well speaking of a ambitious and evolving you want to hit this next one for a second and then we can kind of yeah yeah cuz uh you know so let's do maybe like i well yeah i mean we gotta mention some of these three okay cool so the my world fell i don't know i fell i don't sorry my look my my world fell down by a Sagittarius i saw three L's and i was like that's an eye uh this slice of early Baroque and Sunshine Pop has been described as the best single the Beach Boys Never Made and there's some pretty good reasons why it was written by John Carter and Jeff Stevens an originally released by Carter's previous band after he left the Ivy League the Ivy League were British but inspired by the Beach Boys and when Beach Boys producer Gary Usher heard it he thought it would be perfect for Chad and Jeremy who he was producing when they turned it down he put together a studio band called Sagittarius to release it as a single along with Usher was producer Terry Melcher Doris Day's son and infamously and indirectly the reason that the Manson murders happened rounding out the lineup we're touring an occasional recording members of the Beach Boys Bruce Johnston and Glenn Campbell who would sang lead they would both go on onto considerable success after the single did well the record company obviously wanted an album and tour so Usher kept it going with other players uh it could've bought you're it's amazing amazing record anybody who says that nuggets is about garage rock should listen to this that's this is like about as modern a recording as can be it's even got some weird music complete in the middle of it it's a beautiful beautiful record and to me that's what Jack Holzman wanted was to find these records that were kind of off off the point at that moment in time and give them a new life and to me that's what nuggets is about giving songs that I and many other people love longevity were they aware when that came out that like Glenn Campbell at that point was then at like a star like by 72 76 I mean so this is like 66 or so I'm saying when you by the time this record came out a bunch people who probably never heard original single we're like holy shit this is like like this is the guy that's on the radio with gentle on my mind and you know he's a genius genre he was there with the wrecking crew yeah you know it's all it's all great music and I like to see my music keep living and so this is a way actually you know who knows what would have happened everyone says oh you know I think all of this would have been discovered and at the end of the liner notes with nuggets I think I say something like now the archaeologists will filter out and find all this stuff up mine was just like you know the first the first the call and yes now they found you know thousands of garage records many of which are fantastic and shot through with wacky genius and you know I'm just happy to do my part in the end I'm a fan of music I tried to promote it at all kind at all times the fact that I've been able to make it is a great blessing but in the end I just want you to come over my house and sit down and I say man you gotta hear this record this is such a good record so and you'll enjoy it I love it by the way music critique is a high yeah sounds way sounds way better sound better you put your pinky up when you go stock housing right the Beatles turned on all right open my eyes by NAS NAS is now remembered more as the first vehicle for 70s pop genius Todd Rundgren who wrote and ghost produced this track and it's B side an earlier version of Todd's later hit hello it's me despite Todd's complete talent NAS is lead singer was their organist Robert Stuckey and Tony sadly he passed away last year comments thoughts what he got yeah why don't we know the greatest Philadelphia band you know obviously Todd was the genius and he would continue to mine his genius I'm glad he's gotten the recognition with Patty we are he produced an album of R's wave yeah and he was fantastic in the studio you know but he won he had a great he had a great production philosophy he says if you know what you want I'll get it for you if you don't know what you want I'll do it for you and I'm okay Patty sing this sing here sing here sing here and then when we wanted to record seven ways of going live he left us a lump of passion set have a good time choose whatever take you like and I always respect the bash it's like okay you know just a great guy and and a true and a true musical genius a true wizard and star as in the star I was gonna give you one quick thing is also we're talking about Duke's a Stratosphere the record he made for XTC which everybody talks about he and Andy Partridge sort of bumping heads because of that you know personality thing of being exact was the record that came out in between those but for those that don't know Todd Rungren produced the first dolls album the first New York dolls album and meatloaf that had a hell that's really talking about a guy with a serious this is beyond everything else he did talk about like one of the first and let us remember yeah grandpa Guerrero's yeah man I mean this dude you know at his when you know bearsville but I mean his his wealth of production credits are like insane I don't know anything else a great genius a great and by the way one quick thing about this is because they were a cold gems band which was like the monkeys they made a video for this song you know which is sort of like one of those monkeys romps you know they have them you know in a field with chicks dancing around but it's kind of cool and then the coolest thing about this band is there was another band out of Arizona who decided to use the NAS because the NAS had been you know Lord Buckley phrase and that band had to change their name because this band had a hit with this song and they just said okay I guess what we called Alice Cooper then oh funny how all these pieces fit together yeah well fellers it's been real but I have a lawn that needs mowing and I have a porch that I'm going to reserve that clam on the half-shelf for plumato time rock and roll we we have one more song we don't mind okay what it's it's a happening the magic mushrooms I'm bringing the weed a zephyr breeze a mushroom high above the cloud if you read my biographical thing in the original nuggets you realize I completely made it up because I had no idea who the magic mushroom was not even remotely I you know they're living up in Pittsfield Vermont in a head shop I don't know I just made it up I actually found out that they were from the University of Pennsylvania that Allen Ginsburg named them and cool yeah and I you know again this is one of those random things nobody would have known about this record even me except I spent a lot of time in that year driving around in my car with the AM radio on and late at night you could pull in WKBW at a buffalo and WKBW aside from having a hilarious segment called chicken man which is really funny they they played this song one night and I thought oh my god what the heck is this song and it took me a while to track it down because it's certainly not a hit and you know so it was the it was a perfect final track for nuggets you know I don't even know how to it's a true psychedelic masterpiece and I was glad to be able to give it a little love which is all about you know what was I was doing with all those tracks on nuggets just letting them know that somebody out there heard them and had their life changed I wanted to ask one quick thing because I know Herb Alper pulled this because it was an A&M single when he found out they were talking about mushroom like psilocybin he was like nope can't have that and pulled that the only thing I've ever wanted to ask was and I have to and please just say fuck off if you don't want to when Patrick brings you what's now called rock and roll N word I guess from ever but she comes to you and goes hey I got this thing but to me the moment where she screams Lenny and you take a verse were you guys was there any incendiary sort of this is going to be something oh I can tell you is it grew out of an improvisation during rocker during radio aceopia anyone who is offended by that please listen to the lyrics no no of course it is an solidarity and I have no apologies to make no no and I never expect I just wondered if at the time because you know now we look at it with 2024 eyes and it's now it seems like but I mean it's it's such an incredible track of solidarity and I'm saying it's about the outside and what they made this you know this pejorative into you know and then you know Jimi Hendrix and your grandmother and you know I think it's such an incredible track but the fact that she did it at the at the Hall of Fame or you guys he's a rock and roll yeah and Al Sharpton in the table right underneath us fantastic hey look all I know is art you know let let us let us look at the poem from which is from okay and I won't say the word because sure and is not about color it was made for the plague the word must be redefined you know I and I you know well that's all I have to say no that was not that's I just I just wanted to know because then you know NWA comes out and then it just becomes you know listen in my gym which I go to all two infrequently you know hip-hop is pretty much the music of choice and you know I'm not offended I'm like you know trying to lift 30 pounds you know but you know whatever it is times change more is changed I just want people to listen to the lyrics that's all dude well this I mean was such a treat Lenny and I can't thank you for coming on and talking about this I think that I think the fleece army is going to love this do you have anything you want to promote you have the band anywhere we can find anything we can promote anything off of this no you know I'd like people to read my book I'm really proud of my book that took me six years to write lightning striking 10 transformative moments of rock and roll Memphis in 54 New Orleans 57 Philadelphia 59 Liverpool 62 San Francisco 67 Detroit 69 New York City 1975 London 77 the great metal chapter LA in 84 in Norway in 93 and Seattle in 91 and to me it tells the story of rock and roll I have no desire to write a memoir but I was a witness to some of these things sometimes a participant so I make myself a minor character when I'm there but I believe that it tells the tale of this music that has given me inspiration and illumination over at this point on this in November it'll be 60 years since I first stood up and played a guitar in a band and you know I can't believe it but it's a great it's a great it's a great tale that I actually lived in I was born just about the time that rock and roll was born and I'm still trying to get past 11 on the volume knob so it's always it's a great thing but I love my book it's really obsessively detailed it's I actually look at it now and I think man you'd be crazy what are you looking at but it really it it really tells the story of rock and roll's evolution and you know to me in a certain way rock and roll at this point has has made a statement and now it becomes part of the great genres of music that you can dip in and take from but you're not going to get a lot of forward motion bebop blues you know you're not going to be able to play the blues differently unless it's not the blues Dixieland jazz romantic piano music of the 19th century all of these great genres that are there for the taking and the listening and the and the innervation I believe it tells the tale of of the music from from start to finish and I'm very proud of it I'm very proud of the writing again there's some stuff that I look at and I think man I would have a good sentence there so you know I would ask all your listeners to dive deep into it and if a drift can drift your way maybe uh you know we'll uh you know we'll come visit you someday it's a lot of work in progress but it's a it's one that takes me in a different direction and about different directions I mean I love garage rock and all that stuff but I played pushing too hard and glory enough that you know I I know them too well I like to do stuff that I don't know because that's what keeps you alive hundred percent you still have a little Stephen do you still have a little Stephen yeah on Tuesday's a p.m. eastern to midnight uh on the underground this from the subterranean basement at the underground garage bouncing off the series XM satellite on to be close dude can I I gotta do the questions because we do this every we do it every show and I and I really want to know I'll try to rephrase it with best I can and we ask every person that comes on these questions what's your favorite song on this record bud what record on this compilation I told you 15 pushing too hard okay cool is there is there anything that you you have on there they're like ah that probably shouldn't have been in there I didn't oh the least favorite no you all you love them all I love them all they're all my children I put them on there because I love them essentially for no other reason sometimes they're not even there for historical veracity I just I like all these records uh there's a couple I wish could have been on that I'm still hoping for it took me 50 years to get 96 tears on nuggets too which was kind of amazing I'm still hoping to get the magic people by the paupers on maybe volume three and there is some discussion of volume three but if there is a volume three it's going to be kind of just weird stuff because I've covered all the main stuff but might be a fun listen I think it would I'm gonna phrase this which I cleaned it up can can a person have sex to this record you don't have sex to any record depends on what kind of sex you want to have so what what I I prefer Alan Havana's myself but uh I don't even know what that means but that's funny he's a great uh he's a great uh Armenian composer uh right on I love everybody watch out and grab that uh my sex is very music concrete uh and and I would ask you how to sum up this record to get somebody to listen to it but you've already done it man Lenny uh this was just such a incredible thing Morty promote away we haven't seen you in one way you haven't said the greatest phrase about this record oh yeah I understand I understand yep it's a nugget if you dug it I love that that was outside of the Alex theater on the marquee so we could see it leaving said it's a nugget if you dug it I'm just saying Gene These publicity assistant at electric records for coming up with it and giving me something to inscribe on nuggets for the next well at this point it's almost 52 years amazing amazing yeah that's insane so I'm just DJ Morty coil at Twitter and whatever the hell they call it now and all those other places and then you know the be a daddy cartoons everything and all day sucker the band and by the way you can find the wild honey version I think they're selling the blu-rays of the nugget show really I haven't seen our clip I'm still waiting just to see what what we were like what me would be freaking out of seeing Lenny and seeing uh wing Kramer and the wings nuts man nuts and dude this was just such a treat Lenny thank you so much for coming on buddy it's a pleasure thank you thank you jam thank you Marty thank you Jeremiah and well thank me yes thank you you're the man you're the man what I tell you the one and only Lenny K man oh and DJ Morty coil dude having Morty on fucking ruled follow him on all social media at DJ Morty coil follow Lenny at Lenny underscore K K-A-Y-E and 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