Tom and Vin do their best to look through the Liverpool defeat and where Manchester United go from here.
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(upbeat music) - Hey to the adored, never ignored. I know the chapter in mid-chest United season, early on in the season, but another chapter and it has taken another turn and it has taken an unfortunate turn and a bad one. Unfortunately, it is not a good Monday. So Vin is joining us back on the podcast. I would say how are you Vin? But we'd all know the answer. But your Monday, talk to me. - Yeah, it's, I know the last time I wasn't here, I mentioned that we are going to be tunnel and if we don't, I'll be in the hiding. But to be honest, either we have been now, what I would call it, we are not trained to get in touch with these disappointments that happened so often that we don't feel, I mean, we are disappointed that we lost against Liverpool, but I think we are slowly getting conditioned to be okay with these losses. And that's what kind of hurts to say and hurts to kind of realize. Like this has been happening so often over the last, not just during the 10-harks reign, but also during the previous manager's reign, it happens far too often that I think we are now currently being conditioned for these disappointments, that these are all part of the game, part of the parcel, and we will be going through it more than we did when we were under Sir Alex. So the conditioning is going on, it's taking place and so I am kind of numb at certain areas. We're going to pick the bones apart and look at sort of what went wrong and sort of where to from here, et cetera. But just on that before we sort of get into the detail of everything is that they're kind of, and look, Manchester United don't backyard is not in order. Where it fall in regards to how bad we are, it's not about sort of praising Manchester City or praising Liverpool or praising Arsenal or these clubs, we have to look at our own backyard and Manchester United on and off the pitch haven't been good enough. There's no doubt about that. But in regards to, you do look at these Liverpool defeats over these, there's a three-nil. There's a seven-nil. There's a five-nil. I'm sure there's a four-nil or a four-one somewhere in there. Now we lost three-nil in David Moyse in terms of the first game or the first season out of the Australian services. And so these results in Liverpool have been happening for the best part of a decade, but especially in these last four, five years in regards to these real heavy defeats and even every 10 hug has been on many of those. Is there a case in what while obviously, standard effect which I've said before, Manchester United aren't good enough. Is there a case where it's kind of almost like a little bit of like the Kryptonite in regards to Brighton and teams like Brighton and Liverpool, they have the ability to do this. Arsenal aren't going to go beat as four or five-nil. Chelsea aren't going to go beat as four or five-nil. Manchester City, Manchester City to an extent to be fair they could do it to everyone. But Liverpool and Brighton just sort of have this, it's in terms of the way the two teams match up always in regards to they have the ability to go and smash us where Arsenal are a better team than Liverpool. But I don't see situational Arsenal ever go out and beat us four or five-nil. But I do see a situation tomorrow where Liverpool go, but it's four or five-nil. But Arsenal is a better team, if you know what I mean, like well, where do you put your finger on? Why is always a Liverpool or a Brighton who seem to sort of really put us to the sword compared to so-called better teams? - I kind of, I do understand that the chances of a Liverpool or Brighton putting this to the sport is far off and as compared to an Arsenal. But I think that United have lost their aura of being this formidable team, this team that will make people, you know, shit in their pants for, sorry, for throwing that out. We are no longer that team who is going to give Shivers to the opposition, beat the fans, the manager or to the team, to the playing 11. We have become that team that okay, if someone wants to go ahead and steam roll is fine, we will not stop you. And it's, and I kind of, I won't completely disagree to your point about Brighton and Liverpool, but like over the years, we've been steamrolled by Christopher Palace. We've been steamrolled by Brentford. We've been steamrolled by Arsenal as well. They beat us three-nil. So I don't know. It's just probably the way our club has become right now, the way our team, in one manner. - Just the point I brought up, what wasn't so much as we're looking at the facts and figures and the technicalities and the tactics behind everything, it was just the feeling. I go into all match against Brighton, thinking we can concede four or five goals. I go into all match against Liverpool, thinking we can concede six or seven. When we go up against a team in Europe, a very good team in Europe or a team in Arsenal, I don't think we're going to concede five or six goals. I think we might lose, but I don't have that feeling that we're going to get smashed, but Liverpool have had that ability to do that. And maybe that is because of the evidence they have put in front of us, unfortunately, but speaking of Liverpool and better times, to start the podcast, which we have just had a little bit of a, not even a moment yet, wait till we do get into the moment. In five or 10 minutes, but I'm better times the answer level. And this actually doesn't really sum up better times. It kind of unfortunately sums up how bad it has been in the last 10 years. But my question to you again, and the listeners playing along at home, in regards to Liverpool and Anfield. Don't answer now, Vin, if you do know the answer, hold on to the end of the episode. But which main United player has scored the most goals at Anfield since Saralex Ferguson retired? So, in the post Saralex Ferguson era, which Manchester United player has scored the most goals at Anfield. So, have a think about that one, and we'll readdress it at the end of the podcast. But look, Manchester United, Liverpool, biggest game of the season. We will sit up here. It was Monday morning 1am kickoff. So, midnight, the team news comes out. Actually, I think it's a little bit over an hour before that now the team news comes out. Comes out about an hour and 20 minutes before kickoff. So, you'll take on this, because before the game, the general consensus online on Twitter, et cetera, and all our group chats was given the tools or given the availability of all the players. It was pretty much what the team wanted, or what the fans wanted. Maybe you could flip a coin in regards to, obviously, a lot of us sort of had our mad, made of a Rashford, et cetera. But pretty much as expected and arguably, our strongest available 11, obviously, and said the Rashford debate is obviously ongoing, that we've called for delete to come in. If I am a glider, that happened. I'm just thinking, here we are now, before kickoff, saying, okay, good, that's good. Now, three, three, kneel down and full-time, we're looking at the team selection going, oh my God, error 10, how I got it completely wrong. So, which one was it in regards to starting 11? Did he get it completely wrong? Or were we right now before kickoff, saying that's what I would have done as well? - I wouldn't, so the main reason why there are moments about whether he has gotten completely wrong, like in my opinion, that was a good starting 11. The only jarring fact was to bench, what should have happened was to bench Rashford and to get in Amat. I know a lot of people don't agree that Amat is a game changer, or he is not that kind of a person who can carry the team, but given based on the form and how his performance is where, over the last two games and even considering preseason, I think he should have started ahead of Rashford. I think the main moments behind why people were unhappy about the starting 11, was not because of the way Amat started, was because of the way the game ended. So, and yeah, and that would be the only difference I would have made, given we all know how weirdly out of touch, Rashford has become over the past few months, that's a topic in itself, and that's a discussion in itself. I would have stuck with Amat on the right and Granacho on the left, and given Granacho could have easily, would have easily put Twin Tarak's and Arnold's defensive qualities into question, which because he lacks a lot of it. And yeah, I think that would have become, that would have become a more tougher proposition for Liverpool to answer than what we have put up, because I didn't see Marcus Rashford challenging or raising more questions or raising more eyebrows towards the Liverpool difference, especially on the left-hand side. That would be my only change, and I stick by what I said during the last part. - That's where I go to the question though, is it the right team's leg or did he get it right or wrong, et cetera, and obviously that 90 minutes later, he gives us the answer in regards to, obviously it didn't go to plan, but in regards to, it's one of those old expressions, once they cross the white line and the whistle goes, the responsibility goes, the players all the work Eric Tanharb and the coaching staff do, he's on the training ground in regards to preparation. So in regards to, let's say we both sit here and say, okay, that's our start 11. Okay, you flip a coin between one or two plays. If Amat starts over Marcus Rashford, do we not lose the game, Trina? I think it pretty much could be a very similar game, but obviously maybe one or two people disagree, but I don't think a winger for Manchester United is gonna change the way that game went, but in regards to looking at that and the preparation ahead of the week, here we are, an hour before kickoff saying, okay, that's the team's legend that we wanted, that's as strong as he could have gone, what went wrong? In regards to, 'cause when the players go out on the line, okay, the work is done. Okay, you know how you've been prepared, you've got your instructions, what's the instruction wrong? I'm just not sure we'll get it down to 10 target in greater detail in regards to his accountability, his responsibility and where instead of weighing up that balance on, who's at fault at the manager, or the players, et cetera, we'll have a chat about that. In regards to this team selection, I'm just so mixed because the feeling before that was not not positive in regards to we obviously knew we were very likely going to lose even if we played really well. Liverpool are a better team than us. The better team is nine times out of 10 going to win, but there was a, okay, did this as good? Half an hour later. What on earth is he doing? How could you put this 11 now? I'm just, I'm not sure where I sit on, if you got it right in the week ahead, in the week late, not to this or not. - I think the fans are kind of annoyed with why, why this change or that is not taking place is that he's giving chances time and time again to players who aren't up there, who aren't playing closest to their qualities, and yet they are being given the start, the position in the starting level, like we discussed in the last four. And that's what's creating more frustrations to the players, I mean, to the fans. And the more frustrating thing to watch was, as you said, the tactics and the entire decision making, or the tactics or the way we are going to play, would have been discussed leading up to the game the entire week. But the execution is what that lands up on the players. And when simple tasks like passing the ball, and by doing a proper cross is not being, or even ensuring the defensive line is properly set up, it's simple task of that kind are not being followed, then that's what's frustrating for most of the fans, like what is actually going wrong over there. And that's where the frustrations of all these collective actions are targeted towards the manager, because he is at the end of the day, who is putting the starting 11, who is giving these players the chances time and time again. Of course, we are not going to dissect into the goals that we conceded, but if you have, look at it, you spoke so clearly about the last game against Brighton, about the one of the goal that we conceded. I mean, the winner we conceded at Brighton, so late in the game, that was because of the same reason, like before the cross was executed, before we cleared the ball, the left back on the right back in this instance, but Guernacha in the previous game went forward ahead so that he can become an attacking focal point to capture a winner or to chase an equalizer. And the same thing happened over here, but before we even cleared the ball, Dalal was far up ahead that, you know, no one could track back, and that kind of left, you know, that kind of left Salah to cross the ball so easily to lose Diaz to score the second goal. So it's basic schoolboy mistakes like this, which is again, it's not the fault of the manager, but that of the player, that's leading us to us losing all these games, us conceding so many shots on goal, and conceding so many goals. But again, the buck has to stop somewhere, right? - I think that's what we're there, Salah and Guernacha, there you'll continue on your point, but then that's where it is, interesting in regards to where do we point the finger? 'Cause completely right in regards to where Diego Delos being caught out, in regards to far too high. Now I look at that and say I got Diego Delos, got to know better, but then I could also look at it and say Aretan Harley is that the instruction he's given Diego Delos. So then when it breaks down, he can obviously look at the manager, why is Diego Delos told to be in that position? Whoever, so I look at it and as a former player, you think, well, the player has to realize the situation, okay, I've been told to be here. However, this is going to happen if this scenario eventually waits, so I'm going to have to read that. And stuff with the manager says, I'm going to have to protect this first. First and foremost, it's about not losing. We can sit here and say you play to win. First and foremost, in professional football, play not to lose. Make sure he has his in order, then go and win the game. And I think that is where you look back about Alejandro Canaccio against Brighton. It was great that he wanted to go win the game, but first in that situation, make sure you don't lose, because it's far easier to score one goal than it is for those who are two goals. And I do look at that, and that is interesting in regards to so many, sort of tactical, sort of alarming issues that we do see. You could argue, one could argue, and many argue, and at the moment, I wouldn't disagree completely in regards to what Aretan Harley is telling the full-backs to go high. He's telling Bruno Fernandes, he's leaving only two central midfielders in that area of the pitch. But I also look, those issues are only ever being highlighted, not so much through a systematic thing. It's in regards to which we'll get into one or two individuals in a little bit. You mentioned the word there, execution. Diagodela wouldn't be out of position if someone passed the ball to him correctly. If Kazmira passed the ball to Bruno Fernandes, Greatly Diagodela would then be in the correct position. So who is in the wrong there? Is that the manager's instruction to leave us exposed, or is there the issue, us returning the ball over? And then suddenly we are exposed. I'm just seeing, there is a fine balance, of course. So the manager needs to sort of work with the tools of these disposal and say, well, I can't put them in that position because I don't trust my players to keep the ball. So there's a very likely good chance that we're gonna turn the ball over and suddenly we are out of position. So I'm just seeing in regards to that balance of why we are getting caught out, going to try Diagodela, et cetera. Did there's no facts or figures behind it? There's no clear answer. But in regards to Erritan Harvard versus the players, where do you think it's at a fail against Liverpool? - I think, again, it's a collective responsibility over what actually goes on to the pitch. Just because the manager isn't there playing with this football boots and is getting into the pitch doesn't mean that he doesn't have any accountability or responsibility of how his players at the end of the day, it's his players who are playing the game for the club. I wouldn't just discount the manager's actions or responsibility out from this entire discussion. He does have a huge amount of responsibility. He has to take a lot of responsibility for whatever happens, right? So let's replay back to this last year, right? Like the amount of cutback goals that we conceded around 20 plus, right? We conceded so many cutback goals last year, but what happened? Was it because of the player or was it because of the manager unable to address that in the first instance? So this could be the same reason. Is it because of the player who is overruling managers and the assistant manager's actions to not ensure his defense is always in check before he makes a run down the field, right? Or is it because the failure of manager to address any of these scenarios? If it's the failure of the manager to address any scenarios or the assistant manager to address any scenarios, that rests completely on the manager, right? But if it's the failure of the player, it somehow ends up as the manager and the assistant manager's responsibility to pull the player up and question the player of his actions and get some repercussions, right? Because time has gone over and over again, where we are letting individual mistakes to leading that leads to the downfall of the club in a game or throughout the entire season. So that's where the manager needs to be ruthless where he is going to be responsible or he's going to make everyone accountable for every action that they do on the pitch. Because until our run list, the players are not going to be responsible. They know no matter how many mistakes they are going to make, they are still going to start, but their spouses are still going to put up pictures on their Instagram mentioning how many trophies they have won. There is no reason for those kinds of passes to be made, especially when you are playing against a top team, like Liverpool. I mean, I have to mention they are top team because they haven't yet conceded a goal. So when you are going towards a system, when you are trying to break their system by playing Hollywood balls, when you are not supposed to play those Hollywood balls as a defensive midfielder, and when you are supposed to, you know, protect the ball and not be on the ground just because of a topo and that leads up to another goal, that's really, really questionable. And here, I am not pointing completely on Casa Miro in today's performance. That is, again, there are so many factors that didn't go according to the plan. But if a senior member of the team is capable of doing such actions, and there are no repercussions for it, how is the younger member of the squad are going to learn from it, right? Like someone needs to do it. So Alex Ferguson banned drinking and everything for the senior members of the team during his first few months into his tenure. He did come, he did come, go through a lot of repercussions. He did go through a lot of setbacks from the players, but again, he didn't give in, did he? So repercussions needs to be taken. There needs to be some responsibility and accountability that should drill down from the management, the senior team players to the younger squad team players, including Bobby Collier, who made his debut last night, because until or unless, no matter how much the footballing management team is going to fix the stadium or being fixing the club, the culture among the club, the culture among the way we play, it needs to be addressed, because otherwise it's going to remain the same and the rest is just cosmetic. If you're not going to be winning matches, nobody's going to care if it's a 100,000-seater stadium or if it's a 75,000-seater stadium. We need to be winning matches and yesterday, I wouldn't say we would have won the game, but at least we could have given a respectable performances. Take those goals away and if we finished our chances, I mean, the fair result would have been a draw, but again, everything was tough until we nothing went. - You mentioned Kazmir and that was going into my next point at the start, in regards to look, I said, look, not dependent on individuals, I said, look, I work in court and coaching and look, I always tell kids in regards to they're always brought up in whatever sport there's no way in team. It's a team game, there's no way in team. And I always tell them, there's nothing but individuals. The team is made up of individuals. And if you sort of fail in your responsibility, you're going to let the person down next to you. So I just say, yes, you can sit here and say it's a team game, but every individual has a job to do. And if one individual falls over, I mean, it has gone all the impact. - Everyone negatively, and on Kazmir, look, I've seen some good players at Manchester and I'd have some bad performances that happens and I've seen some bad performances in big games. And I'm not sure if we can sit here and say it's the worst performance by Manchester and I'd play in a big game. I'm not sure, you'd have to get out the encyclopedia and look back, but my God, it was just, it was alarming. It was alarming how bad he was. And look, again, and we can sit here and say, okay, we're the better manager, we beat Liverpool. I can sit here and say without those two mistakes by Kazmir, we're near all at halftime and having a different game. Not so, we're going to win the second half, but I just, that is the unfortunate reality of the situation in regards to how one mistake, and again, Liverpool were the better team throughout the 90 minutes. It was a boxing match, clear winners in regards to judging the match, but in regards to the turning point of a game. Kazmir had, unfortunately, a huge impact on that now. If Toby Collier started, Toby Collier would have made that mistake. Maybe Christian Ericsson, maybe scored nine goal, often deflected shot, who knows how it would have unfolded in a different universe, but I do look at that Kazmir, a performance, and it was just alarming. In terms, I've been telling everyone for a couple of weeks or a couple of months that if I was to move someone on in the transfer window from midfield, it would be Kazmir, not so much because of his ability, but just in regards to the situation, age, wages, et cetera, what it looks like with him on the bench, because he's going to have to be on the bench now, in my opinion. We'll address that after the international break on what, when we do sit. But just back that on Kazmir, you talk about, okay, if the player puts in a bad performance, Ericsson then falls to his responsibility on he has to deal with it. If a player is doing the wrong thing, he has to deal with Kazmir, or he has to deal with Marcus Raskin, maybe Raskin is a different discussion, but let's stick on Kazmir, and look, I agree 100%. If he's not doing his job, then I'll have an look at the manager. Will you do your job now? You pull him up, you tell him what to do, or you take him off. If you do look at Kazmir, definitely out of an FA Cup final, he wasn't playing good enough, dropped him, said, you're not in the team anymore, took him off at half time here, wasn't good enough, took him off, I'm just thinking, where is that? What's the visual of us fans looking at Ericsson Harg's decision-making of a bad performance, while like a Kazmir, right now we're getting a form, he's a different thing when we're looking at tapes, let's turn around Marcus Raskin, but with Kazmir, when we're now looking, okay, I'm looking at your bad performance, but now my eyes are on the manager, what are you going to do about it? What do we really want Ericsson Harg to do about it? Now this is not me saying Ericsson Harg doesn't sort of get any blame here, I am looking at Ericsson Harg, but he takes him off, what does he need to smack him on the sideline? But I'm just thinking, what's the visual we want as fans for accountability of these players? Now obviously in terms of dropping them, don't put them back in, but you need 11 players on the field, harm with our injury record, you're going to have to put players who aren't in great form sometimes on the field. So I'm just thinking, what does that look like in regards to holding players like Kazmir, accountable? So every player in a squad has his or her own role on what they are going to do. If it's your defensive midfielder, your main task is to shield the back line, right? If you are a goalkeeper, your main task is to not pick the balls from the net, like, or don't concede, right? And we have seen this time and time again, be it in his first season when Kazmir was pretty good for United in his first season two years ago, and even last year, and even the earlier games this season, we have seen this, this short fuse that he kicks in, where he goes, he either plays Hollywood balls, which 90% of the time doesn't lead to a goal, or he goes ahead and starts throttling himself towards the final third, leaving his defense wide open. So those are really, really small sample size in his illustrious career on the kind of player he has become, or what he was always. It's just winnings of Real Madrid always shielded us from looking at these flaws, right? So, when you observe, as a manager, when you observe certain, and it's not just the manager, when the whole backroom team observes behaviors of players that they are doing something which they shouldn't be doing, or when, or they are performing some actions that they haven't been asked to perform, that's where you step in and you sort them out. I would have personally, would have loved someone from the backroom team to ask that's a mirror to calm himself down when he is playing the single defensive midfielder, or even in a double pivot, if he is going to be defending more than attacking when there is Kobe Manu next. So, I would have pulled him away and he would have-- - He had the coach and stuff. I've seen Kobe Manu do that countless times in the last six months. - Yeah, he did that against Palace last season or something. - Yeah, but in last season, yeah. - Pick a game, I'm sure you've done it multiple times, and that is alarming, when you say Kobe Manu in 18, he won the games champions league winner, saying what are you doing mate, calm down? And that's, I don't know. - So yeah, so that's where you take the responsibility away from the player saying okay, you are not being accountable enough. So there you go, I'm putting you in a position where you can no longer take decisions. I'm taking you away from the starting 11, and you're just going to be benched. And if you sort of yourself out, you can then come back into the starting 11. And I'm quite sure that would have been the range of discussions that would have taken place between Casa Mirro and Derek during the entire summer, because I was thinking after the FA Cup final, Casa Mirro won't be playing for United the way, the way it actually went from him, actually making it to the subs and then eventually dropping off the entire match day squad. So either, when you observe certain of these real small sample size of actions that are taking place in your team, you take the player off and worse, right? Even before the unintended pause that Casa Mirro made towards Diorgo Dolo that led to our first goal, he did try something of that kind in the earlier stages of the game. And that's when I would have even asked someone from the senior members of the team, talked to him, asked him to calm down. Okay, he doesn't listen to them. The assistant managers, the manager, go and yell from the touchline, pull him to the side and tell him, ask the instructions, ask him to calm himself and what is expected from him or not. And if it's still going to be the same player, not listening to the instructions or not playing the way he should be playing as per his role, take him off. And I guess that's what they did. But that was too late. - Just in regards to half-time there, good mate of ours, Rob, we'll discuss him with Robert halftime around the Casa Mirro performance. And Rob was saying, look, he's got to come off. Okay, Casa Mirro has to come off. And I was saying that it's so important that we just changed this. Otherwise it's going to be five or six nil. Not that three nil is any better, but we just had to get Casa Mirro off the pitch regardless, whatever happens, get him off the pitch. And Rob and a few people would disagree with me saying he can't put Toby Collier on the pitch. Just see, it's not fair on him in regards to struggling him under the bus. And look, overall, I agree with that argument in regards to an unusual setting. This was not a usual setting. This was not Casa Mirro dropping a six out of 10 or a five out of 10. He was Liverpool's second best player. And I'd just be on those days. And I'd just, this was a situation. It's not about Toby Collier. It's not about Manchester United. All it is about Manchester United. It's about getting Casa Mirro off the pitch. And I'd just say, yes, it's not fair on Toby Collier, but it's not fair on Manchester United to keep Casa Mirro out there. And I just saw it, yes, I understand. Showing a young player under the bus is not ideal. It could go wrong. We could lose four or five nil. And how does that dentee's confidence? Deal with that. Okay, you had an issue, you had a scenario. You had a situation to deal with at half time. And that was getting Casa Mirro off the field. And I thought, okay, it's not fair on Toby Collier, but it had to be done for the betterment of Manchester United, not Toby Collier's career. And I just said, that is where that decision, where we do look at Eric Tenharg and we're gonna get into him now in regards to the criticisms directed of him, in regards to us saying, okay, Casa Mirro is bad, that's Eric Tenharg's fault. Well, Eric Tenharg has acted. In my opinion, it was the right decision to South Casa Mirro, whether it was the right thing to put Toby Collier or Christian Ericsson on. I think Christian, sorry, Toby Collier was probably the right option within without him being an ideal candidate to come off the bench. That is not a positive from Eric Tenharg, in regards to these management against Liverpool, but if there's one positive, it was getting Casa Mirro off the bench because who knows what he would have done in the second half, in all honesty. I've heard one or two people say it as well. Do you think you? But I hit question in post professionalism, especially someone like Casa Mirro. There's something in the back of my mind, it wouldn't shock me if he went and tried a bit and sent off early on in that second half. I do remember Paul Galba before a little Paul game, well, I said before the match, I said Paul was gonna go down in the first three or four minutes and we'd both think it was a Jose Mourinho's last game? Or was it, no, which game was it? What do we do Jose Mourinho? - I think it, no, no, no, it was Oleis. - It was, it was during Oleis. - Oh, Oleis, I know you're Adrian Mervenz. And sometimes you just get hunches. And while one with Paul Paul was pretty grip of it, thank God I didn't have to see Casa Mirro get sent off this one, he has a little Paul, but yeah, moving forward. Look, Eretin Hugg, here we are sort of half the hour into this chat. The whole thing has been in and around Eretin Hugg and that is where the attention is no doubt. And rightly so, in regards to it is easier to sack one manager. I don't want to get into a discussion around sack and the manager went three games in. Hell, the Eretin Hugg's first season at Manchester United, the first three games is a worst start than this. And we played two other teams that were played in this three in terms of Liverpool and Brighton. If we want to go back to Brentford 4-0, that Eretin Hugg's start was, look at, I don't want to say worst, but technically it was worse than the start. This season, but I'm not going to entertain any discussion around sack and a manager of three games in. As I said, we had a worst start in Eretin Hugg's first season. We ended up finishing third. We'll talk about bloody titles in November and December. After that start, when we went away to Arsenal, when we were sent around Martina scored home, if that's day two two, we're in a title race. We ended up getting Champions League football and a trophy. So I am not going to even entertain a discussion around the manager's position. But there is no doubt that if this trend continues, hopefully it doesn't be, if the trend does continue and you do get to November, December, and it's looking like this, he's going to pay with his job. So I'm just saying, where do you sit overall? Now we'll get into one or two specifics around Eretin Hugg. But just the position of him as Manchester United manager, while it is under threat long term, do you believe Ineos have any trigger happy people behind the scenes where there is a potential, I would hate to think of it, but a lot of people would like to be sacked. Do you think there is any potential nature for physical action? Ineos are in a very, very precarious position right now. And you sack him right now. There are going to be questions asked right away saying, then why didn't you give him an extension? Why didn't you sack him after the season? Why do you want to sack him in between when the season has just started? And when you gave him this huge check of signing the players he wanted. So Ineos are not going to sack the manager right away. I don't see that happening. But he'll, when are they going to stick with him? Even the idea of Ineos right now is to fix the footballing structure within the club and to give some stability. I think the chances of him sticking around are more than the chances of him being sacked, right? Like realistically and speaking, I know there are going to be murmurs in the media every single day because it's now international break and there's not going to be any football. And of course Manchester United sells news. So everyone's going to be talking about it. So this result and this runoff fixture hasn't done Eric Tenharg any kind of good, right? It's as I heard from the talk of the devil's podcast from the athletic. Paul Anka mentioned that it's going to be a PR disaster and it is a PR disaster. Especially losing against a fellow Dutchman who was his previous nemesis in the Dutch league who's just three games new into the league and losing against losing to him and that too pretty comprehensively, right? Three nil. That's a PR disaster for anyone involved around the positive side of Manchester United. But as a fan, I feel as a fan, I do understand the callouts for why, the callouts for the manager to be sacked. I understand that because we as supporters, we as spectators, we either want to see beautiful football that is being played or like we discussed in the last one, like either we want to win the game or either you play in such a way that we don't mind losing. Of course, it's easier to say now that we won't mind losing if you play. - Do we really want better football in regards to it? Put yourself in a club's position and let's say we have three or four saves and we'll find brilliant football and finish in second. Do we really want good football? - I don't care. I don't care about the brilliant football. The same fans that are talking about, okay, you know what, get a brilliant football and we'll be willing to lose. - The same ones who want to see brilliant football and the moment we drew one game, they'll be like, get this manager out. So it's a pretty pretty finicky structure of fans right now these days. All I want personally, all I care about it personally is to get some stability into the club, which there is a bit, the manager needs to be ruthless, which he is in somewhere, but I seriously need some improvements in the team. I seriously need some improvements in the way we play. It's so tiresome to watch us play and it's frustrating and exhausting when you see that we haven't made any kind of steps forward. We haven't taken any steps forward. If you compare the way we are playing and if we compare the way we played last season, we are still so easy to be annihilated. We are so easy to pass the ball around. I do agree there are very slight improvements in the way we have turned off the, we have tweaked down the amount of shots that we are conceding. We have tweaked down the way we are pressing. We are doing it in a much constructive way, but just on that, in regards to improvement, we are powerless as fans or we can just sit and observe that at the moment, it's either sack the manager or not sack the manager. If it's not sack the manager, which I agree, while in regards to the likelihood outcome, I don't think that's going to happen. Your points there are completely valid as to why it probably won't happen as well. We are going to look for improvement. Like any player for players performing badly, we are going to look for him to improve. If Eric Tanharg is performing badly and not getting the job done, we are going to look for improvement. With the international break coming up, or forget the international break just in general, that's if you want to be very specific in the next two weeks, walk on Eric Tanharg, do what can be done, leading into that Southampton match feel free or it is an overall pitch on his time at Manchester United and the things he can improve on. Is there something that you believe he has the capabilities to change or a manager and player are setting their ways? The good things that they have are going to continue to be good things and the bad things they bring to the table are always going to be negatives labelled at them. Do you think there is something Eric Tanharg can improve on my in regards to have faith in him or do you think it's going to be a continuation of the good and the bad? I think we should be still sticking to the good that we have in the team, no matter how few it is in qualities these days. I think the main thing I would want him to work out in case if I can say that is to improve the team's urgency and resiliency when it comes to being thrown at weird scenarios or like weird situations like this. You could have seen like even in the game towards in the game against Liverpool that our passing was pretty good. It's pretty decent. There were some pretty okay attacking intent, but again, the final piece of scoring a goal was hugely missing and then came one mistake and the entire team went into a back foot, right? So that's where I would want them to handle these situations or to come up with solutions like what to do when you are thrown in at a weird situation. How can you be resilient against a challenge and how can you overcome those challenges? Well, while I agree with him, I agree. So I'm not disagreeing here. How does a manager change that? That a player has that or they don't have that, but can a manager change that within six weeks and sort of change someone's mentality? Obviously, mentality in regards to their approach, obviously that can be changed. In regards to deep down, someone's ability to deal with adversity, et cetera. That's up to the player. And obviously, if a player has this goes on to be successful that they can obviously develop that over time. There are tenhogs not sort of getting a player in terms of developing that sort of ability to deal with sort of trouble. So overnight, that is not going to say very tenharlies job though. That's, in my opinion, maybe I'm wrong in regards to how I view that. But in regards to, I do look at the plays there. The plays either have it or they don't. And unfortunately, over the years, many years at Manchester United, especially now, I get the sense that many don't have what it takes. 'Cause if you look back at Manchester United and our great teams and our great players, one of the traits that we don't talk about, their ability on the ball, they came with it. I think nine times out of 10, when we're talking about these grades and the plays we've made it at Manchester United and the plays we get it at Manchester United, it's the traits away from the football. That sort of really stand out as to why they were brilliant and why they made it at United. Not because they can kick a ball. Every player can kick a ball at Manchester United. They have unreal ability. They're in the top 0.001% of footballers in the world. They know what they're doing. But an ability to deliver is what they've been lacking. I think it's the situations and the scenarios that we have ourselves put in. All the players themselves have put in all the teams or the situations. That's one of the main reasons that they are losing that inkling of confidence they have in the team. I mean, senior players, like Bruno, even I will consider Rashwood, they've been resilient. I mean, like, remember Paris, remember Barcelona, even you look at, not just look at the teams from a club level. Look at the national teams when they were resilient enough to come back from a jaws of defeat into victory. Look at the real-life scenarios that you have on your everyday, day-to-day life. So something-- - I don't think it's a result, though. Yeah, you're right. I mean, you can talk about this in style of play. I say you can do 30 seconds of style of play against Liverpool. There's a style of play, but not over 90 minutes. A Manchester United player over the years can show a game of resilience, a game of good mentality. However, being a Manchester United player is doing it for 38 games. I understand that it's not an easy task, and it's not something that can be-- It's not a switch, right? That can be turned on, and boom, we are resilient again, and we are playing with some urgency. We have-- We are, again, scoring goals, and we are defending, like, everything depends on it. But we have seen these glimpses of things happening in the past as well. And even under Ole, we have seen these things when we felt when they were playing under Mourinho, the players felt more shackled. They were pretty much more programmed to do what they have to do. They were not playing with the freedom. They were not playing with the smile. And that is something what I see these days as well, with the not club. I know it's just third game into the season, and we are already talking about it, but that's what happens when you are not winning. That's what happens when you are-- And things are not going according to your plan. And that's one of the things that I want the bathroom stuff to be focusing on, to how to bring the positivity around the club, the positivity around the club, especially around the players, because if they are not going to be happy enough playing for the club, I'm not sure any kind of result that we are going to walk into will be a favorable result for us. So we want the players to play like they mean it for the club, and that's what's currently missing. In terms of other things that I want the team to improve or the management to improve during the next few days or weeks during the international break, it's to come up with more plan Bs, more plan Cs, when things are not going as per their tactics. I see there is a lot of one-dimensional approach that we are enforcing space when it comes to playing against any kind of team, and there is no plan B. And as I said in the last part, either you bring a style of play or either you give us results, but don't leave us in the middle where we are neither getting the results that are leading to frustrations amongst the fans, a bit of negativity around the club, or neither you are giving us the style of play. So give us something, give us something that we can hang on to so that we can see that there is a bit of improvement that is being made. Otherwise, three years, we don't see any improvement. We are still being played out of the park. We are still seeing where we don't see our senior players contributing. We are not scoring enough goals. Our goalkeeper is not saving the amount of shots that he should be saving. And we are falling down the order from being a European giant and English giant to a mid-table club, to a club that just languishes around the top half of the table. So something needs to be improved. Otherwise, to be honest, that's a question the manager will have to face from the owners. And I'm quite sure the owners themselves have some questions to answer. I'm quite sure Sir Jim Radcliffe is going to ask some questions, some really tough questions to the footballing team and structure. Okay, they are our biggest rivals. Game three into the season and we are already nine points or I'm sorry, six points behind the top leaders. So what are we going to do here? Given the fact that we are not expecting us to challenge for the title race, but doesn't mean that we have to get away from the title race as soon as possible so that we can focus on winning trophies. Pro fees are important, yes. But again, winning the league is important as well. If winning trophies are the only thing that would be important, Mourinho would have still been in the club. Ole Gunnar Solskja would still be in the club. That's not the only thing. You can't just pick the things that are easier for you to access. You have to look at it from an entire 360. You can't just pick and choose the things whenever that's favorable to you. That's easier for you to deal with. And I think that they got some really tough things to solve and wandered about over the next few days, especially in the boardroom, especially in the drawing board and the technical room that they have. And I'm quite sure, and I really hope that they replay the goals that we are conceding and someone picks up all these things, because I don't want us to look back into the season where we have conceded 20 goals because of our left back and right back, not focusing on the defense, but on more on the attack. And that is leading us to lose more games than we should be winning. So I hope we are improving at least in that aspect, that we are fixing the wrongs before it becomes a massive, massive issue for the team. So, virtual thinking, let's see what they do. - Yeah, definitely. In regards to questions, you brought up questions and the same will have questions and rightly so our fans have questions, looking ahead to sort of whether they have the players or the manager, et cetera. A huge part of support Manchester United over the last sort of decade. It wasn't a thing under traffic service, and now it's a weekly thing for Manchester United fans in the media. Is there a 10 yards press conference? And looking at a 10 yards press conference and we buy into every question, and it's the only press conference that is really debated amongst the football media. No one tunes into our header, no one tunes into Pep Guardiola, no one tunes into the Southampton manager, et cetera. The whole world tunes in our 10 hug and dissects every single word in regards to everything, good and bad, et cetera. He was, I actually liked the question. He was really grilled in a post match press conference in regards to his coaching ability. Now, is that reporter going into any other press conference and grill their manager about his coaching ability? Of course not, obviously someone has thrown him in there. So we'll give you something if you go through our 10 hug out of the bus and look, we as fans want those tough questions thrown at the manager. Of course, my gripe is a Manchester United fan. It's he's not gonna go to Anchpostcogalo and ask him about his coaching ability. That's simply not gonna happen. They have obviously gone after a 10 hug, but that comes with the position of Manchester United manager. Of course. But it's a good question to take away the sort of moral nature and the ethical nature of the question and just look at the question and the answer to your 10 hug gave your 10 hug. Was very much on the defensive and didn't really answer the question in regards to what was proposed to him. But I also look at it from our 10 hug's point of view. He's thrown under the bus. He has no one defending him. He has half the fan base against him. I believe he has a right to defend himself, especially when no other manager he sort of put in that position. But it was a good question in regards to, in essence of it, in regards to, we've seen them at same mistakes. What on earth has happened on the training ground? In regards to you can only make this excuse for so long. You can only blame this player for so long. There's one sort of stable and it's your sort of coaching. Now, where do you sit on that question? Where do you sit on our 10 hugs answer? Where do you sit on our 10 hugs? Defense, defensive nature of that. But also a question I'll throw to you and answer how you feel free. Ruventestroy, we said. Yeah, we're happy, him to come in. We said, yeah, good coach. Do we know he's a good coach? Do we know running is a good coach? Do we know anyone around the ground? Do we know Manchester City's assistant coach is a good coach? We don't know. The only people who know, even if they're given great instructions, we only have the results on a Saturday to go by in terms of the set piece coach. We say, if the team scores off a set piece though, they've got a brilliant set piece coach going at him. If they can seat off a set piece, their set piece coach needs the sack. I'm seeing we only had the visual of sort of what we see in results, but we don't actually see what the work is going on. Now, Eretin Harg, if I asked you two years ago, is he a good coach? Football would say yes. If you ask the football world today, is Eretin Harg a good coach? Same person, same coach in, same abilities, exactly the same everything, football says no. I'm just saying, well, those answers in my opinion don't quite add up. So where did you sit on that question in regards to one, the question, but also Eretin Harg in terms of how he dealt with it? Because while I was a fan, I backed Eretin Harg's defense of himself. It also, he didn't answer the question that he was going to once put on the spot. - Yeah, I kind of like the way the, especially the United manager is being thrilled with these tough questions. I mean, this happened during the button razor to the season as well and also post game this morning. Such tough questions needs to be asked, but I'm quite sure the reporter over here was trying to just get a sound bite out of the manager, just bait him. Yeah, just to bait him into it. And to be honest, like the response from Eretin Harg was more about at the, at the blink of an eye like, especially you were just coming out of a defeat. And the first question, one of the first questions that were opposed to him was, are you, are the players not being coached properly or anything, something of that kind, right? And that's where he, his answer, he didn't think too much towards the answer if I dissect it. And he just answered it pretty much straight away that what it is and what it is not. And I kind of agreed that he is, I mean, like if he's going to come up with a defeatist attitude in the press conference after a loss, no matter what, then that sets the entire, that sends the entire tone for the club right away over there and I'm quite sure the press is going to get something out of that. And at the end of the day, he is not going to be the one who's going to throw his players under the bus and he's not going to be the one who's going to throw the coaching staff under the bus. And mind you, the coaching staff would have spent like what less than a month or probably spent as much as an over a month with the, with the playing 11 and of course with the first team squad. So I, I do give that discount that there might be a possibility that they are still gelling in, betting into the players and everything. So, but I feel, I feel if there is no improvement of having Michelle Wundergaard as the assistant manager as compared to the rude Minister Roy or Renee Hake as a assistant manager. I'm quite sure questions of such kind will be thrown over and over again to the manager and put him at the spot where one single day he is going to bite it. And he is going to provide the exact answers what the press would be looking for, which the press will run with it for weeks and weeks to come. So that's, that's the way I look at it. I'm okay with the way he answered, given it's just pressed, but I seriously hope there is some massive improvement in the drawing board in case if they want to stop questioning of these kinds in the future. - The answer very much gave me a reminder and apologies if you can hit Melanie in the background. Why next door neighbor has a bloody fetish in terms of he's mowing his grass every two or three minutes. So that's coming through my apologies. It's the third time he's done the lawns today, I think. So apologies if you can hear that in the background. I'll have to have a word with him. But in regards to Eric tonight, gave me sort of a sad reminder of, I feel what the question was, feel what the game was. It probably happened on multiple occasions with all he got a social eye. When the world was against him, the fan base was all large parts of the fan base was against him very similar, but there was a question that through all he got a social eye. And he just sort of shrugged his shoulders and sort of gave a bit of a smile saying, what do you want? And Eric Tenhar was sort of in that position there where the question really didn't put him on the spot, harshly or not harshly. And I just think he got in a position where whatever he answered, even if he said the 100% of correct thing, that was going to get dusted and sort of printed up. And that used as a negative against him. There was no right answer. And that was the brilliant of the question. That was the brilliant of putting him on the spot. The journalist and the media got exactly what they wanted from that. But it was a case of that he's where a huge part of my defense of Harry Maguire, my defense of Scott McTominay, my defense of Anthony, my defense of place who aren't sort of quite out of it at the time. That is where a lot of my sort of similar defenses all along on a social eye of the Eric Tenhar come in. When the world is against them, a part of being a Manchester United fan, in my opinion, well, critical, well question, you've got to raise these questions and you need to be better, et cetera, is defending your own. And I just think when your own fans are against you, when your own fans are sort of baying for you, but I just think you do need to show a little bit of what in my opinion, a Manchester United fan, player, manager, representative, someone at the club does need to sort of back his a little bit because we're not getting that at the moment. We're very sort of in my opinion, sort of trading into, I've seen some big YouTube accounts. Some of the last couple of days, it's just like watching Arsenal just changed the shirt. It's like watching Arsenal fans. It's like watching Chelsea fans. And I do agree in regards to those clubs can go win a trophy, those clubs can go play good football, et cetera, but Manchester United is not just about good football. It's not just about winning trophies. There's a huge element of what being a Manchester United fan is. And winning and football is part of it, of course, but it is not everything. So, yeah, I just think our behaviour is fans and sort of, we're right to question, we're right to be critical. We're right to look first at our answers, but also a little bit respect and defend your own because if Erritan Harg's not going to get back in and defence from his own fans, the media and rival fans aren't going to give it to him and that he's not going to help Manchester United. We do need to go into the trenches, in my opinion, a little bit. But, wasn't that a question before we went in there? Oh, yeah, before we sort of discussed, obviously, there was a transfer window. We did sign a guard day who was on the pitch before the game, apparently, but now he's off to probably a physio table in Uruguay. I'm sure he's got an injured on the international break, but we'll touch on the transfer window in a little bit. But just in regards to not so much specifically the Liverpool game, you can bring it up if you want, but just in general, I thought the football, before we started considering goals, I thought the football was fine at times the end of the ball was fine at times the end is bright and against full and there it was fine at times. The football is OK, the football looks a hell of a lot better when it results in a goal. That is what a good style of football looks like. Well, when you start scoring goals, the football's good. You get Jose Mourinho or anyone sort of picking the ball up from David to Hayder for Laney. That's a good style of play, but ends up in a goal. Goals. Rasmus Hoyland is injured. Is it the answer for a Manchester United striker? I'm not sure Josh Roserksi, I haven't seen anything quite yet. I'll definitely give him time. I don't see a Manchester United striker or even in the first three games I've seen while he has scored a winner. I don't see a Manchester United player there. Fingers crossed I'll be proven wrong. Marcus Rashard is what Marcus Rashard is. Let's have a discussion around him. In regards to that situation, then you're looking at the other wingers in regards to, OK, James Sanjo is now out of the club. You're looking at Alejandro Ganacho. Where's that ceiling? Is he a good player? Is he a world-class player? Where's he sort of going to fall in his career? And Ahmad Diallo in regards to this big clamor for fans is to get him in the team. Is he going to be the answer? You got Mohamed Salah. He could rock up to Old Trafford and score four goals if you wanted to. Can Ahmad score four goals? I'm never sure that is going to happen. That's not to be critical of those players. It's just in regards to that is where we are compared to where the teams are at the top are. So I'm just thinking, in regards to that front three, front three, front four, however you do want to shape it up. It just doesn't scream Manchester United to me. In regards to, you can have a great defence, you can have a great midfield, you can create these chances. You've got Erwin Harlan score in Hatrick every second week. I don't think we have a player who's going to put money in the score in Hatrick this season. And I'm just thinking, that is not an error-ten hug thing. That is, when you could point to it in regards to the transfer, mark initial of what this player, not that player, obviously, but in regards to the personnel out there on the pitch. It doesn't scream. Going score goals to Manchester United in my opinion. And ultimately, if Manchester's not a one-win game to win trophies, you're going to have to have someone score a goal. And it just feels, there's so many issues with our team at the moment. Goal scoring is one that's probably been overlooked a little bit. I think we are maybe going to sort of direct our frustrations towards that front three. Because there's a lot of fan hype around that front three. We all love Ganesha, we all love Ahmed. Joshua Zurgsly and Rasmus Eiven will life them because they're new signings. But in regards to delivering, my confidence is waning in that front three, I should say. Yeah, we scored like what 57, 58 goals last season. And if we take away Bruno's goal and just look at the front three, I'm quite sure they would have contributed more than... Sure, Scott, I thought I got a bunch of those. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And I would consider Stuart MacTominay as a midfielder. Good luck to him at Naples. But, yeah, so I'm quite sure they would have contributed less than 50% of the gold tally or probably even 60% of the gold tally, the gold swing score. And gone out those days where we are, we can rely on Aruni, a Tevez, a Burbitov, Ronaldo, what were those days to come up with the goals where we don't have to worry about scoring at all. But lately ever since the post retirement of Sir Alex, we have this over reliance on one particular gold scorer. And if he doesn't turn up, then the entire season goes for a tall speed. Let it be the Robin Van Percy. Let it be the Wayne Druni is Latani Brahima, which the Marcus Rush was the Antony Marshals kind of forgot that he existed for a minute. That there's been this over reliance of those strikers. So we're just relying on one particular person as the focal point to get us those goals. And Braxton is loyal for right now. But probably you and me, you know it much better. Braxton is loyal in this, not gonna be the guy who's going to lead this team to greatness. I mean, like he might play a role in it, but he's not going to be the one who is going to spearhead the attack and getting like 25 goals a Premier League season. He's too young to do that. And even if he gets more experienced, I don't see that in him. Hopefully this statement comes back to bite me in a few years. But as of now, I don't see him returning back to fitness is going to keep our scoreboards ticking, right? And the one thing that I would want the management to do is to the football team, the football team behind the scenes to do is to let Bruno play with the freedom and with the amount of what I would say, the insisiveness he does when it comes to the final third. Because if you have a look at it, the first season under Tenharki came up with an okay amount of goal scoring contributions and same goals with that. And the last season, it started to decline. And this season, of course, it's still game three, but we haven't seen an amazing performance of Bruno yet where he is winning the game front and center for him. Or it might be probably just like an anomaly of Marcus Ratchwood. Marcus Ratchwood scoring 30 goals a season might be just an anomaly as out of the season in his or in his second season for United. So until our analysts, our attackers work together and contribute to more than 50% or more than 60% of the goals scoring contributions. I think it's going to be really, really an interesting way to see how many goals we put up in the goals for table towards the end of the season. And that's why I was always keen of adding a striker, a proven goals for a striker like Ivan Tony to the mix, which would have helped some of those troubles. But again, as you say, every good player who comes to United has fallen down his horse. So we would never know about that. And yeah, just so that's why I want to at least our defenses to be really straightforward, given we have the talent over there who can ensure that we are not conceding more goals. And if you concede less, you can come up with the odd goal here in the games, which we can score and probably win games. That's what I'm looking at. The bar is so low these days, so. - I'll start out in scoring those way. It is the again, we as fans, we as football fans, especially Manchester United fans, do need a finger to point out or someone to point out in regards to the blame. And if we don't score goals and we lose the game, the manager obviously cops the brunt of it. It's all dependent on if the player shoots the ball and it goes in the corner or the goalkeeper saves it. In regards to where there's the blame why, in regards to the front row, is it a systematic thing as to why we're not good or is it the individuals aren't good enough, because I do look at what we'll have in discussions today with a few people. In regards to the likes of Ahmed Ganache, you can throw, I think you can throw a good Marcus Rashard in there and you can say he's good enough, but if you throw the current Marcus Rashard and there are current or the version we see far too much of, he goes into that category, in my opinion, of a Ganache and Ahmed in regards to that level of football. And I just think, are they just not good enough? Then I'm not saying that sell them or they're not good enough to have careers at Manchester United. But in regards to what we want to see as fans, what we want to see, we want to see us, beat Liverpool 3-0, we want to see us finishing a high up the table. I'm just thinking, while we do like these players, some of them, some of them not, et cetera, are they just case of not good enough? Or is it what many people also will believe it and want to believe at the moment? I'm not saying they're wrong, but is it a case of if you get a new manager, the front row become better or better players? I'm just thinking, where do you sit on that in regards to where you're pointing the finger? So the manager and the team has some of the blame that needs to be taken, where they are not involving the attack. Like they are expecting the attack to contribute to the defense. The way Tenhark wants to play is press all the time. And when you lose the ball, everyone gets into the defensive mode and start winning the ball back. And the same goes ahead like, okay, the wingers, why don't you drop back and help your defenses to get possession as soon as possible so that you don't end up considering more goals. In this process, new and young talents like Matt and Gernacho, I think they are getting a bit more confused or exhausted on what is their objective or of their primary objective is. The primary objective of a gold scorer or a winger or a striker is to score goals, right? So that's their primary objective. But then when you throw this philosophy of helping the defense and making more runs than they should, that's when they lose the clarity on what they have to do. And that's one of the key reasons why, even when they are defending corners, their first instinct is to go and score a goal and not to clear the ball away from their field. And that might be one of the reasons. - In regards to, let's not so much say that Gernacho won against Brighton and look, he's not a striker, in regards to that mindset and to pin in that towards the dugout and their coaches instruction. You look, we'll discuss now that Diego Deloitte was a little bit too high. We turned the ball over, suddenly Diego Deloitte is out of position. He was taken up an attacking position which cost him defensively. If we're looking at our attacking players, taking up defensive positions in regards to keeping it tight and contributing to the team defensively, that's taken away from the attacking aspect of their game. I'm just thinking, where is that balance? And there's no answer to it, but in regards to, you just leave front treet, like Liverpool do pretty much cheat, I'd say cheat in a football in term in regards to elite, they're front treet quite high. They don't really defend it. If they do pinch the ball up high, that's fantastic. If you play through them, they're gonna really stay high. So that is that tactical battle in regards to, okay, he's Luke Shaw and Aaron Wambesalka or Mazarawi, Diego Deloitte. Are they gonna bomb forward? Okay, create an attack. Okay, that's fantastic. They'll come an attack, but Diaz and the Hummit Salar aren't defending. So yes, you might create an overload and you might have a chance of scoring, but if you don't, you're gonna be in a hell of a lot of trouble. So what is the balance? Do you keep them back in sort of in position or do you try and go win the game? And that is the million dollar question that there's no right or wrong. It depends at 90 minutes. You'll see what the right answer was. Where do you find that balance in regards to are we taking, is every 10 Harg and the system taking away from these attackers? - I think more than that, and then also another key statistic I read over the last few days was like, we are not making more clear good chances than most of the teams in the Premier League. So which means like, even if we created let's say six chances in a game, but we are ending up scoring only one goal or two goal, then that's probably detrimental to the way the strikers are actually playing the game, right? Like they are not finishing, they're not taking their chances. So in terms of 10 Harg's philosophy and ideology, when I look at it, you get one chance and you score it. You get two chances, you score it. So every time you take a shot, you have to score it. You have to score a goal and then you can then worry about defending and whatnot. I think that's how his ideology is, but currently the way it is, the way we are playing, we are neither good at defense and we are neither scoring more goals. So for the time being, even though I understand 10 Harg doesn't want to play a different type or different style of football, for the time being just in the, for the sake of getting riddles, why don't you just play counterattacking football? Even that is a style of play and that's the most closest style of play we can associate with United tradition and United history. - I agree 100% but I do, and look, I agree, 100% I just know we start playing counter attack on football. We're going to be sit here saying three years, three years, 10 Harg has been in the job, why are we playing counter attack in football? Why are we not playing like this? Why are we not playing like that? And then again, it all comes down to winning, but I've seen these fan base, I've seen what football does in regards to the reporting and the narrative around Manchester United. - What do you think, what do you think for you, right? Like, you are, you're Erich and Harg and again, there are no right answer or wrong answer. What is the first thing you would do that you feel okay? This might fix, this might fix the current downfall or the slope that we are currently experiencing. What's the first thing you would do? - Yeah, there's no right answer. That is why he's going to work this day and tomorrow and to earn a couple hundred thousand pounds for his opinion. Now, as I'm saying, he doesn't deserve that, if his opinion isn't a good one, but yeah, how can you give an answer there? It's a good question in regards to I'll throw the same thing back to you. But what would you do? What would you think outside the box and try something mentally in regards to, look at it because all the coaches, people need to understand in terms of the coaching on the field. Manchester City are doing the same training drills in Southampton. Southampton are doing the same training drills, there's Real Madrid, Real Madrid are doing the same training as Manchester United. All the coaches go to the same courses, they all learn of each other, they all do the same research with everyone. It's how that message is delivered, is obviously very different. But the same coaching, the same methods, the same thought process that happens across the board of these professional clubs. Now, the delivery of the message obviously is different and the result is different. But it's not Manchester United are doing different training drills to Chelsea. No, they're all doing the same trainings. But yeah, in regards to my quick fix, you'd have to think outside the box, you'd have to think it'll be something, look, I'm not saying my Kazimuro's wife and posting Champions League trophies on her Instagram, but I would be looking at something maybe, no matter how bad you are, look at how would you are? Look, because these players are tremendous players. As I said, they're in the top 0.00% of footballers in the world. They are top quality players. But when they turn up to Manchester United, they just crumble. And I'll be looking at some type of sport psychology in regards to reminding the players how good they are. The privilege they have of playing for Manchester United, then that is obviously something I would constantly be hammering home. But yeah, I don't think everyone can go on a training ground Monday morning and fixing the hit. Hang on, I want to change the system. I'm going to play 3-5-2, and we're going to start passing the ball over here when this defender goes over there. I don't think there's a tactical fix, which just drastically changes Manchester's fortunes. - Yeah, that's kind of true. And coming back to your earlier point of like, can we expect our attackers to score like 30-40 goals? That's where the whole question started, right? Like somehow you look at our front three, even though you have Ahmed and Granacho and Hoi Lin, you look at them as moments players. They are not someone that come up with consistency over and over again. And then when you look at the front three of Brentford, the M.G.M.O. and the Visa, you kind of feel that they have sometimes more quality than us Manchester United forwards. So they're like, what is actually lacking there? Because that shouldn't be the way it is. - The difference between players, the world-class players, Kevin De Bruyne, as Earl and Harlan Daven, certainly just mentioned all the Manchester City players, Mohamed Salah, compared to the players at Brentford, the two, the players at Leicester. It's not a huge gap. But yes, though, there's better players. You've got to get better players and worse players. If the gap is in huge, I don't remember playing here in Australia and England. The difference was no, there was no difference in quality of football. The difference was the intensity, the difference was the experience, the difference was professionalism. The quality of football was exactly the same, but there's the other sort of surrounding factors which sort of contribute heavily to why we see a difference in regards to that. So, you're right in regards to those players from Brentford, they look just as good as when we bring Angel De Maria in. He looks like a pub football. You bring in Paul Pogba, playing with arguably one of the greatest ability we've seen in the modern era. Can't do a two-year pass. Trips over the ball every second time. I just think, how does that happen? That's not going to happen at Juventus. That's not going to happen at Real Madrid. It happens that Manchester United that. And I don't know the answer to that. Now, we were going to touch on the trans window and give a bit of review, but seeing the international break coming up, I think we'll have plenty of time to sort of go into greater detail and sort of look at the sign of it at Garté, et cetera. But around the grounds, look, Manchester's not looking pretty in the table. That's what it is, but it's after three games. Other side of the style of the podcast, we've had three games under Aritan Hall to start his reign, and it was a disaster. It was even worse than this. We ended up finishing third, and it's somewhat of a title race in November, December. Therefore, that Crystal Palace down, I think, was at least he scored for Crystal Palace. Things would have been a hell of a lot different, but we ended up finishing third and got a trophy, so my season isn't over. A lot of people are on that train, though, and are fair play, but I am willing to give it a little bit of time, but it needs to win against Southampton 100%. There is no doubt about that. It is almost in that must win category. That game against Southampton in a fortnight's time, but around the grounds, Manchester 9, I saw the under-aid-eads. They want to know against Liverpool, albeit. I think the young Italian scored another goal behind Kerry as well, and Dara Fletcher's son, grabbed a goal, so good for the under-aid-eads to continue their winning. Mayor Leticia has been appointed the women's captain, taken over from Katie Zellum. I think she's probably the standout candidate there. I thought it may be Millie Turner or Mayor Leticia. They have gone the younger option in Mayor Leticia, which I do think is the correct appointment. I think Alettoun got the vice-captaincy, which is good to see, but aren't there anything else around old Trafford news-wise that has caught Uriah over the last couple of weeks, or last week, over the last couple of days, et cetera? - No, no, not really, especially if you are going to do an in-depth analysis of the transfers. I'll probably park it over there. And it's going to be quite interesting to see. My timeline is full of people playing the open hearts as records from a Ralph Ragnick, so we'll definitely touch that in detail. But yeah, hopefully we can put this Liverpool game at the back burner, and we can look forward, and hope for some positivity that's coming up in the horizon. - Yeah, definitely, but going back to the style of podcast, the trivia of it, before we do wrap up, I asked the question, which Manchesteride player has scored the most goals at Anfield, post-Ralex Ferguson? Do you have any idea? - One more time? - It is, you got them all in one game, two goals. One matter, we haven't scored many at Anfield. I mean, Jesse Lingard's picked up a goal, Wayne Rooney's picked up a goal, and one matter, picked up that double. I think they are the only goals from my memory. So, but the reason I do bring that up in that trivia question in regards to our Sydney fans here, it does look like there is a little bit of interest from one of the A of A club's Western Sydney Wanderers in bringing one matter to Australia. I was over at Western Sydney Wanderers training ground yesterday and talked to a guy who potentially has a little bit of inclination to what was happening there, and a retired player from Western Sydney Wanderers retired last year, and all he said was, there's something in it mentioned, it's not, oh, Western Sydney are talking to one matter, but that's as far as I went, he has no idea even if it has ever gone to happen or not, but fingers crossed will be great to have one matter playing his football two minutes down the road from where I live, what a small world it is, but then pleasure is always my shit circumstances, but it is what it is. - Onwards and upwards, looking forward to more positive forecast recordings. - Fingers crossed, and yeah, just finish on book. Every household, when you need to rebuild, our squad needs to rebuild. I think when you knock your house down, the first couple of weeks, it's gonna be a worse house before you build the new one. And I think we've sort of knocked our squad down, we're knocked our club down a little bit, it's a bit of a worse team at the moment. Fingers crossed, we can get back to where we wanna be, but time will tell, good week, good weekend wherever you are, and we'll chat to you soon, cheers. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music)