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Addressing the Underlying Causes of Cancer: Dr. Devin Stone and Jim Ladwig | Nathan Crane Podcast
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Welcome back to the podcast today I've got two special guests with us here today we've got Jim Ladwick who is the VP of healing 951 we've got doctor Devin stone is a naturopathic doctor out of California who's also medical advisor for healing 951. And I'm excited to have both of you guys join me on the podcast here so yeah thanks for thanks for coming Jim and doctor stone. Thanks for having us yeah thank you excited for today. So Jim you we've it's been probably a couple years I think since I last in interview with you and I don't think it's you know my audience necessarily knows about your story with cancer why don't why don't you start there. Yeah yeah so I why get that you know how sometimes your phone is like on this day you know so many years ago I actually got a reminder on my phone yesterday that it was it's seven years ago I was laying in a hospital bed so I was like oh man it just feels like a lifetime ago but it also feels like yesterday but. you're like great reminder a phone thanks thanks thanks for reminding me of the trauma but yeah I so my journey kind of started with just it was just months and months and months probably almost a year of just undiagnosed you know gut issues sickness weakness weight loss you know and nobody could really figure it out and and what ended up happening it was it was missed on. A scan and we later went back and was like oh oh my gosh can't believe we missed that but. I was diagnosed with colon cancer and the the the way that it had kind of you know formed was blocking my digestion which led to. All kinds of other things age glory and different things that needed to be addressed and my one of my first calls was to. Jordan Tedesco and Jordan's father is Joe Tedesco he's the founder of healing 951. I had no idea what they did you know what it was about and so I called Jordan said hey did you say your dad does something with like cancer and helping that and he goes oh yeah yeah let's chat so. He introduced me to Joe and Joe and Jordan you know commenced in a couple of conversations about the product and my situation and. How it could help and so I I ended up going in and I they had to remove the mass so it wasn't blocking the digestion but when it came time to. Have the conversation about you know follow the chemotherapy radiation other traditional treatments. I just felt that I was young and that I was you know otherwise fairly strong and you know decided that I wanted to try a more natural approach to to recovering after that. And kind of cleaning up the gut health and things like that so it spoke really loudly to me what Joe Tedesco had developed with healing 951 and. So I decided to get on the product and I got on like right before my surgery and then I stayed on for about 100 days which is our typical. You know suggestion and my recovery was was pretty fantastic my doctors are super thrilled. A lot of those gut issues just you know started resolving all these food sensitivities I was having all the. Just you know tiredness the brain fog just all the things that kind of come along with that and then even even the the surgery recovery everything was just. You know it went so well and I attributed so much of that to healing 951 now granted I did do you know obviously some some diet lifestyle changes from what I was doing I was in a pre. high stress environment was able to you know address that and bring those levels down so there's certainly more things and I would never say that you know obviously he was the one thing you should do but. But it was a really big part of my journey so you know as I was recovering it was it was probably about. I don't know a little less than a year later my doctor was just super thrilled I don't know I don't really need to see you anymore things are going great scans are coming back and. Two weeks ago Monday I had another follow up scan everything's great. No evidence of disease doing doing great feeling great and you know super thankful so after that you know it was a few years later that Jordan and Joe approached me and my background is in marketing and so and. So after I'd kind of gone through that I took a deep dive into health and wellness and really started educating myself and bringing myself up to speed and. And then eventually started working here and was was brought on to do to wear 50 different hats in the company so yeah. Yeah it's amazing congratulations by the way seven years seven years seven years ago you just got the reminders so. I mean what you've been doing obviously has been working what I want to ask you what was your diet like before diet and stress what was that like before your diagnosis. Yeah, so I mean I was I like to my mom was I always say she's kind of crunchy you know my mom is. We were the ones that grew up with the organic blue chips you know and all my friends would come over and. You know so we certainly you know she made a lot of attempts to to have clean you know you know low ingredient foods and. I you know straight some I don't think I was you know certainly not into that you know full on standard American diet but. Definitely you know much worse than I was you know on the on the on the back end of it you know now i'm you know I will watch a lot of what I eat very very. Whole food single you know just the outside of the grocery store type of thing and. But you know I didn't feel i've never been a drinker i've never been a smoker. I didn't feel like it was it was crazy bad honestly but certainly needed improvement with a lot of my you know got issues and things like that. I think a huge one for me you know I was in a really high stress job at the time as a contract i was on and. You know just a lot of a lot of outside influences affected that whether it was you know from a from a job perspective a spiritual perspective. I was you know struggling with a lot of you know stressful things and so it really did take. Some intentional effort to on both fronts you know I was I was very diligent with my diet certainly a lot more water cleaner water was a big big big shift for me. And then also getting you know just to where I alleviated a lot of that stress and do you quit your job or how do you how do you leave it stress. I didn't quit i changed the contract so i've had a marketing agency for years and so i i changed the contract i started traveling less. You know i was like hey you know this is this is my wake up call i need to figure out a different way of doing things. Smart smart smart that smart that you recognize that and that you listen yeah people who don't change the stressful environment things just get worse. Yeah i mean i had yeah go ahead that's it for me you know it's like you get that kind of wake up call and and the money is not worth it it wasn't it was less money yeah i get it like you know and and i had to make that cut but spending time with my kids and family and. You know just having a life that's worth living it made way more sense to me after that kind of a wake up call. You really begin to value good health when you've been sick and i've gone through that my own life i've been very very sick especially as a teenager growing up and you know almost dead at 17 18 years old so i know what it's like to be really sick to be tested. That's what to be lost isolated and angry and and really poor health got issues you know fatigue str tremendous stress. Have you heard of p_m_f_ therapy for cancer well this podcast is brought to you by doctor pollock and he wants to share with you the ground breaking research of post electromagnetic field therapy in the treatment of cancer. Studies show p_m_f_ therapy can help control the cancer process and give safe non-toxic and non-invasive symptom management p_m_f_ therapy may enhance other cancer support and treatments lower inflammation and promote tissue healing. 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I know what that's like it's so anyone who's been sick understands you know the value of good health when you feel good you have energy you're clear minded you know your body feels good. And generally people don't think too much about it until they get sick which is an unfortunate reality of. Are our brains today and i think more than anything it's it's more of our culture because if you go to some eastern cultures you know Japan's a great example i mean now things have changed but for many many years. There are you know island cultures and eastern cultures that have always valued health and in fact. You know have always thought of the body as a temple this is the temple to bring me closer to god this is the temple to i have to take care of it because it's it's housing my soul is my spiritual vehicle right and so they've always taken care of it and you know sickness. Wasn't even really concerned about because most people were healthy you know eating eating real food fresh food lots of fruits and vegetables lots of you know exercising meditations. Spiritual practices you name and it's not until the last couple hundred years that we've seen all this explosion of cancer rates and chronic disease rates and chronic disease epidemic. I mean i don't have to tell you doctor stone you see patients every day right and so you know valuing our health is so important and i think that's something that our current culture we really need to instill in our children and in schools and. Show the value of health and help explain look we don't have to wait till we get cancer to actually try and prevent cancer let's you know by that point it's too late to prevent it now you're diagnosed now you gotta do something about it let's live healthy and healthy now so that we can prevent cancer but i want to ask you doctor stone what are your thoughts on. You know patients who are being diagnosed with diseases like cancer and as it directly relates to stress. You know chronic the chronic stress that people are experiencing today in our crazy fast paced world. Of course i think i mean just anything emotional related in that aspect stress or even traumas from the past whatever that may be which can elicit as stress in the body definitely takes a huge toll on a patient. I think that's something that oftentimes in a western diagnosis is missed quite a bit as well you see the tumor you try to eradicate the tumor go after that but forget some of these fundamental factors as well like what is actually happening in the environment everything from the food to actual the stress levels in your body as well I think that's something I definitely see with patients all the time from I mean any disease cancer if it's heart disease if it's diabetes when you kind of really take that into play what's going on around them in terms of their relationships or their job atmosphere or even within themselves their own conversations are internally having of themselves that causes stress or negative factors in the body plays a huge role in that I mean that's and sometimes one of the hardest conversations actually has a doctor to have with the patient at that time when you see that there is something really big and foundational in that area that you need to address with them 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everyday and see how it impacts your health for the long term all right let's get to the show so let's say Jim came to you seven years ago and you did you know full work up on him and you know had an intake form and you realize oh my gosh this job is killing him right this job is contributing to his cancer what would you tell him what would you tell a patient who you know is going through something like Jim was like millions of people are today in very stressful jobs that they hate that they don't enjoy or very stressful relationship that they hate or they don't enjoy or whatever it is right like what would you actually have said to Jim or what would you say to your patients? totally sometimes I like to take the approach to allow the patient to actually figure that out on their own in a little bit more of their own manner so sometimes even like journaling if I kind of see that and don't want to ride away say hey this is your partner doing this or hey this is your job because like I said that could hit hard at times and I don't want a patient to leave that meeting like this doctor wants me to quit my job that's my finances like that could also detour from the whole treatment plan going forward so journaling is something I found very productive where I tell someone every day just as you feel these emotions coming up where you're feeling maybe a good day bad day write that down write what was happening during that day and then when you come back and maybe a month two weeks later whatever that is let's review it together and sometimes that's just a really good tool for people to see oh wow it's I keep seeing x happen when y happens and that correlation just keeps happening over and over again and then they come to the conclusion like hey I've really seen this is maybe a big part of this is my job as well if they didn't see that before so kind of putting the ball in their court on that side I think works at least the best for me to get a patient and kind of goal of seeing that side of the emotional piece of what could happen with disease yeah that's super smart very very beneficial you have to say I wish I had found Dr. Stone back early on my drink I went through seven doctors to find someone who had actually listened to me and it took a lot of self education to get to what he just said so it would have been nice it would have been about it fast tracked me a little bit right hindsight it's always twenty twenty you know so Jim what would you have done differently early on that you learned later on in your journey yeah I mean I think you know I look back and I think I made some good decisions I mean the one thing that I felt like I did well was be my own advocate and so I think if anything it's just really improving knowing what I know now improving upon how I would advocate for myself because I did I went through seven doctors and I just plowed through them and I was I would get anything from oh it's just IBS or I mean some of them are as bold to say oh it's in your head you know there's just we're not finding anything wrong blah blah blah blah blah and it was in your head right it was in your head but it wasn't just your head it was in your whole body that's as it down regulates your nervous system burns off your immune system this regulates your your lymphatic system this regulates your hormone system your endocrine system right that's what people don't realize even a dog says all in your head and you're like the hell's this guy I know there's no way he's talking about I feel something right they don't even know what they're talking about either but they are on the right track you know like kind of in a roundabout way because literally our thoughts can create disease in the body right our beliefs can create disease in the body or emotions create disease in the body just like our thoughts emotions and beliefs can create healing in the body but you as a patient knowing that you're feeling these things knowing that you feel terrible knowing that you have these physical issues and then a doctor saying there's nothing wrong with you it's all in your head like that obviously is not the right thing for a doctor to say to you at that time because you know you're like fine a new doctor yeah exactly like this guy doesn't know what the hell he's talking about yeah and you're right I mean because there's certainly I think a lot of times you know when I'm going back to what Devin said I just I love you know his you know approach to it because it's there's there's there's more to you than just this physical body right and addressing the issues that are that can kind of affect each other with you know the mental issues the stress issues it's all connected and that was a that was kind of something I really hadn't considered so much going into it was how much that was just so connected and really drilling down and writing things down I was keeping as I started you know educating myself I was started keeping and I wish I'd done it sooner was a food journal but also tied to just writing other stuff down just you know typical journaling and and you know kind of associating like oh wow like I would eat this thing and I would feel this way but then also that was kind of affecting my thoughts but then my thoughts were also kind of affecting so seeing that there was there were certainly patterns that things that I was consuming or wasn't consuming was affecting how I was feeling and how I was thinking and then vice versa how I was thinking was also affecting things that I was consuming so understanding that connection was was huge for me and understanding that honestly just just putting together that it was so connected was it was really what did you what were the biggest changes that you made in your diet once you found out you had cancer and you went down this kind of rabbit hole of diet nutrition and like what were the big big changes that you made as you were you know recovering me I made a lot of changes around you know obviously ultra processed foods you know really just have really no place you know and what I was doing you know especially you know there's there's an element of what you know when I was traveling more it was convenient and it became quite inconvenient to travel but I still had to make it work I mean you still gotta you know pay the mortgage so you know you gotta you gotta put food on the table for the kids and so for me it really was figuring out how to travel and not have you know either ultra processed foods for you know fast food type of things and finally you're saying are you trying to tell me that that sloppy Joe's and and Snickers aren't good for you not ideal no it's crazy you can confirm this doctor stone but I you know I'm not doctor yeah it's as the doctor in the room I don't know Jim I don't I think you're a little off here yeah hold off a hat comment I'm sure you're coming after us. Yeah I mean honestly so those are some of the biggest changes were you know how do I get more whole foods how do I get more vegetables and what I found honestly was my best friend was these grocery delivery services I get to my hotel room and I would just have you know bags of groceries coming in with you know like apples and just you know things that you're not going to find at a hotel that's for sure and it was just super inconvenient to get so I would I would often just prepare my own food and that that was that was such a huge transition for me was to figure out and and really it was very inconvenient it was and and that's just part of the give and take that you know living you know putting your health first and focusing on how it's not going to be convenient I mean in the and it's also you know from a taste perspective you know it's not always going to be the most delicious thing but it's so worth it in the end to go that extra little effort and start you know even if it's just layering things in and then another big one for me was hydration I think that that was a real significant improvement was was getting good water clean water focusing on the types of you know water that I'm in taking so yeah I mean those are those are really big things for me the first stop that we make when we travel my wife and I and our kids when when I travel very often we travel together but whether it's myself or us as a family the first stop we make as soon as we land is a grocery store every time I mean it's just it's just come you know for years because it's like you know I got focused on eating healthy 15 years 15 plus years ago and so it was like well look there's very few healthy restaurants there's very few you know plant based I've been plant based since you know that just about that long as well and so even back then there's very few options and even when we started we were 100% raw so it's even more diff way more difficult if you're totally raw vegan for example there were no there were like no restaurants and you know it's very you go to a restaurant they're like what what is this we have lettuce does that is that good I think we got less than tomato is that does that work for you know in half the time they're like get out of here you know crazy person imagine unlocking the power of your immune system with the turn of the key that's exactly what better way helps beta glucan offers a clinically proven cheat code for immune support now available at a special discount this unique formula combines the synergistic effects of beta glucan with vitamin C resveratrol and selenium boosting immune function energy mood and overall performance it's eight times more potent than its top competitors it's vegan non gmo and gluten free and our friends at better way health are saying don't miss this opportunity to shield your health with a product backed by rigorous research and literally thousands of studies elevates your wellness journey with better way health beta 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healing951.com/crain for exclusive deals and free shipping when you use code "crain" if you're facing serious health challenges call healing products and mention my name their team with over three decades of expertise is incredibly supportive don't wait experience the healing difference today that's healing951.com/crain so that's just been a habit and like you said yeah it may not be convenient but actually over the years like it's never it just doesn't bother me because I'm like I know my health's important and so I'll do what it takes that means if I spend an extra hour after I land to go to the grocery store and load up on things that I know that you know when we're not not able to get to a restaurant or whatever now a day is like you can find restaurants in every city that can provide healthy food like you just you have to be able to ask the right questions and you know choose selectively from the menu but everywhere we go like I can find healthy options but I still go the grocery store every single time we travel and get you know load up on fruit and some veggies to snack on and some you know drinks and stuff like that that's that way we always you know dates and organic dates you know apples bananas blueberries carrots you know celery and hummus things where it's like you're not grabbing the potato chips you're not grabbing the snickers you're not grabbing that stuff when you're because when you're out and you're busy and you're hungry you know and it's like you're that that's the problem you have to watch out for busy hungry and then stressed out and that's when you're going to choose really poor food qualities right and so it's like you have those healthy food choices around you always because you plan ahead that's that's the secret sauce there it's a developing a new habit I mean it really is and what's like you said you've been doing it long enough I've been doing it long enough that I'm used to it you know I plan for it it's it's not a you know at first it seemed very inconvenient but now it's just how you live it becomes part of your life it becomes lifestyle right it's like at first you're like this is terrible and then after a while you're like oh this is this is normal it's part of my life what do you what do you think about diet when it comes to cancer doctors don't what do you advise your patients on what are you usually looking for and helping them to change in their diets definitely so I think that's always a huge foundation to like for us as naturopathic doctors starting with foundations to cure is the way we're trained so that stress levels definitely a piece diet water exercise some sleep levels but the diet obviously always diving into that for every single patient what I like to do is always start trying to remove before I'm adding things into their diet so looking at the areas where there may be adding different items into their dietary that actually could be contributing to cancer so definitely the processed foods the excess sugars all these preservatives stuff that maybe has higher pesticide loads heavy metal type of foods so really looking at those first and trying to remove them and then starting to build a better better dietary plan for them after that point there to kind of show them first hey this is actually contributing to your cancer let's remove these items from your diet and now let's start working on foods that we know support your body for fighting and hoping to eradicate cancer down the road as well so kind of take it typically in a stepwise approach and then obviously it's always to the patient as well I mean there's some patients that I work with there like I just want to go full in obviously money is an issue to when it comes to food as well how you can eat areas that you live in still so those type of considerations come into place to just make sure we could obviously clean up diet make it the best but fit the patient in that time and setting to set them up to the most success possible so I've definitely seen that the hardest worked at an area down here in San Diego called La Maestro which was a California center that was all free based medicine down here and it was of a lower socio economic area there so that was a lot harder to fully revamp someone's diet you can't tell someone if they go to Whole Foods just switch to a fully organic diet remove this because it's just not possible in some settings so there was a big factor of okay let's start really definitely removing some of these items that we know are contributing to some of the chips you're grabbing as a snack like we were talking about or some of the processed foods and start working with just Whole Foods in general just starting to move over to stuff that you still can cook obviously there's levels of going up from there but just switching to a whole food diet is sometimes even just a great great place to start with there working with cancer patients like that's what I find when we're talking about diet specifically it's like the first thing people need to understand is the problems with the specific foods that they're eating right like everyone is heard by this point yeah eat more Whole Foods eat more fresh foods eat more real foods eat more plant foods right like everyone's hearing that but then you get all kinds of confusing information from different people online that say oh don't eat plants they're bad for you they're gonna kill you which is totally nonsense you know and then they go oh I can't eat plants and so now there's all this confusion that people are having online but let's say generally speaking anybody who has at least been wanting to learn about health has probably heard of eat more fresh foods more real foods less processed foods less processed sugar more you know plant foods and so forth but they still don't see the problem with going to their favorite fast food restaurant and buying that burger and fries and eating it they still don't see the problem with having that nickers or candy bar whatever you know once a day they still don't see the problem with having that big gulp thing of you know soda or whatever they're like yeah this this is normal this is part of why would they sell it to me if it caused disease in my body right so like what I mean what that's foundational isn't you find that with your patients that it's pretty foundational to teach on those core aspects of like hey these foods are contributing towards this ease in your body and here's how and what I mean what would you say about that to people who don't see it definitely I think with that that whole education side is the biggest piece possible I mean I think that's also why I've been trained the way I got trained I love so much is because it's not just hey you have this disease here's your plan I gotta get on to the next one right now and it's really yes talking about and helping diagnose properly but teaching the ways to actually live a healthier life too and diet is like we're saying a big big part of that like in our clinics that we have we work with patients throughout the year we see patients every single month but then we also have health coaches to meet with so if it was like a oncology patient I'm working with yes going to start talking about hey we need to clean up your diet but then they'll spend another two hours with one of our health coaches to dive into these topics because the education piece is the biggest factor it's understanding what happens when this food enters your mouth what it's actually doing to your body how that's actually contributing to disease because without knowing all of those processes fully it's like what you're saying not everyone's going to get it right away they it's out there it's the mass way of eating actually is all of these unhealthy foods it's harder to find healthy foods than these unhealthy ones so when it's everywhere it almost seems like we kind of re-coined even what is food today especially children growing up nowadays like they a lot have even seen as normal foods is what our grandparents have seen as they were growing up so even just teaching people what actual food is again and how that actually contributes to your body versus causing all these inflammatory processes and cancer promoting processes in the body once that's really understood I think that kind of flips a switch a little bit where it's not just hey this is fuel this is just something to make my stomach feel better not be hungry for the day here but it's actually messages to the body that tells it what to do good or bad and understanding that I think is just a huge piece once that breaker kind of happens so can you talk a little bit about those processes for people who don't know like let's say somebody's eating you know an ultra process candy bar or you know fast food burger and fries and whatever with all the sauces and I think something I saw something about Chick-fil-A that like one of their chicken sandwiches has like 20 or 30 something ingredients in it and it you know there's like should be like four or five ingredients and there's like some crazy number two or three dozen in there and that's not just Chick-fil-A that's all fast food right all fast food processed food so if you can for people take a minute and explain when you're eating that way those processed foods processed ultra, you know let's talk about ultra processed primarily right these fast foods these candy bars these potato chips stuff like that what's happening to the body and why should they be concerned about it definitely so so I think it comes down to especially what you just said when you look at the list of all of these ingredients on there I mean even if you wanted to compare exactly you said the Chick-fil-A chicken sandwich versus someone maybe making organic chicken sandwich at home where it's maybe just chicken flour some salt water maybe few vegetables on their lettuce then you look at the other side where it's a laundry list of 50 different items on there and then it really just takes into consideration at that point what are these 50 other items like most people don't even think about that because you grab the food you don't look at this whole list of ingredients you just think it's maybe made the same way as what you think it would be but we take all of these chemicals once they're in our body they signals different cellular pathways that could be very negative to the body I kind of like to tell patients it's like you think about even maybe a medication that you're taking it's a small drug small delivery system if you look at the back of some of these foods it's a whole laundry list of different chemicals that are going to signal your body to do different things and many of the times these are promoting inflammatory pathways so this is what contributes I mean to all diseases inflammation and some standpoint from cancer to diabetic on sets of disease or joint disease whatever it is it starts to promote these pro inflammatory pathways so what happens is it goes to cells it goes to your immune system it starts increasing certain proteins and what we call interleukins and cytokines which then starts signaling your body to say hey I'm inflamed starts attacking itself and it just starts and it's not going to happen day one but day after day we need to eat every single day obviously it keeps cascading on itself and then ultimately one of the most foundational reasons why especially here in the United States we do have so much chronic disease I thoroughly contribute to our dietary ways here that's I mean we know that chronic inflammation is one of the underlying core causes of cancer right so when we're looking at diet lifestyle it's like what are the things that are going to support the body in reducing the inflammatory processes if we do that then we're going to be starting to address the cause right we're going to be getting at the root versus just managing symptoms which is what most conventional care does is just look at the symptom and let's see how we can you know address that and fight it you know cancer is a symptom cancer is not a cause of anything right cancer is a symptom and the problem with the problem that I think that we have with our conventional medical models we look at cancer as the cause of this is the problem we got to get this out of your body and in some cases like your case gym surgery can be very helpful right because of it's blocking your ability to defecate to release the toxins out through your feces and it's very painful like yes surgery could save your life right chemotherapy and radiation could save someone's life in the right circumstances but in most cancers from what I've seen all the research I've done doctors I've interviewed the cancer patients we've worked with it's very often that hey if you took a natural approach or holistic approach maybe you would actually get a better approach at hitting the root cause of this which is not the cancer it's the inflammation it's the DNA damage it's the mitochondrial dysfunction right that's caused the environment for the cancer to thrive in your body and so you know supplements are a big part of that diet's a big part of it you know stress reduction is a big part of it you know you talk a little bit about healing 951 gym you know that's a product that you've used I use it personally as say just as a personal supplement just for overall health and nutrition and prevention you know I'll drink it in the mornings and you know I use it because I've seen the studies on how beneficial it is in terms of supporting the body you know fighting against cancer and so I know Dr. Stone you use it with your patients right Jim you used it in your protocol you guys want to talk a little bit about healing 951 what it is because I think it's a phenomenal product I've been recommending it and promoting it for years I think you know yes it tastes very strong it's not a lot of people are turned off by the taste but I use your guys as mint powder in it and it's totally fine it tastes good with that and you look at the studies behind it and you look at all the case studies it's like to me it's a no brainer if you have cancer or you're trying to prevent cancer like it's to me it's a no brainer to have as one of your support systems you know in your health protocol and that's why tell people you should always approach health from a holistic perspective mental emotional physical environmental relational and spiritual we look at all these areas of our lives and we take care of each one of these areas then we're going to be on a much better path towards health happiness fulfillment in life you know and a lot of people I noticed we'll get stuck on the supplements like oh this is a great supplement it's got a lot of good studies let me just do this but they're stressed out they're eating at you know Chick-fil-A every single day or processed food or whatever they're not sleeping well and it's like I'm sorry that that's something to buy itself if you're not doing all these other things like you're not going to get nearly as much benefit if you're actually addressing these other core areas of your life would you guys agree? Oh definitely for myself just having that conversation yesterday like those foundational pieces under percent necessary and sometimes even that might maybe the cure in its own just doing that it's not even needing like the way once again we're trained it's we even see like a supplement being a higher tier of intervention before even working on those if we could make someone heal by just working on these foundational lifestyle aspects you could get a lot of movement and a lot of healing down there alone and oftentimes if you do need to move up to those supplements allows the supplements to work even better if you're working on your diet and you're working with even like a supplement like healing where you're trying to decrease inflammation you're trying to go after cancer cells when the body is at its most vital state it's going to allow these to even function so much stronger in the body once that gets going there One of my doctors is kind of one of the quotes she always tells me you can't supplement your way to health it's just it's just so much more than that it's a you know it could be a big part of it but it's it's not just I think in the allopathic model of health care, health care, the idea of just taking a drug and continuing on with your life is somehow permeated into you know the the more wellness industry and unfortunately you know I think a lot of people do they just want to take something and continue living their life and this somehow corrects whatever problem we've caused over all these years and unfortunately you know I wish to work like that but it just doesn't I love Devon's approach or Dr. Stone's approach because it is it's so much more And sometimes these things I mean sometimes things can be you know dramatically improved just by drinking more water and it's really something that simple or exercising more or just getting out and going for a walk and And that honestly that's just the most ideal situation it's like oh geez I just got to walk more great you know that's just got to drink more water great but sometimes it does need you know something more. Yeah. That's where we do it. Yeah yeah I mean totally and supplements have their place and I'll come back to talk about healing in a second because I want people to know about it it's such a good product but I wanted to show this can you see my screen. Alright so I found the ingredients for what is this we're picking on Chick-fil-A right now but I mean this is true for basically every fast food restaurant the Chick-fil-A deluxe sandwich I've actually I stopped eating fast food in San Diego I think the last fast food restaurant that I ate at was like a jack in the box. This was probably 2005 2006 and I ate it one morning and I got sick after it and I was just like that's it no more fast food now. That's I think I ate so it's not totally true because I think there was that one faster restaurant California that had San Diego the real famous one was like the hidden menu what was that called. In and out. So I did it in and out of like three times when I lived there over the course that next year. So I think 2006 and seven is last time I ate like a fast food restaurant like this but look at this. Look at this one one look at all these ingredients in here in one single sandwich. Let's see if I can zoom in for people. Now to be fair you know some of these things like pickles let's see you know pickles includes cucumbers water vinegar salt like nothing too crazy there right. They add some calcium chlorides and potassium sorvate as preservatives you know you could talk one way or the other those actually good for you or causing problems. You know but you look in here then soy less than like that's super processed it's very highly processed. Organic soy is incredibly good for you and we have dozens and dozens of studies proving that you start to process it down into a soy less than or even soybean. I've seen studies with soy you know one of the only studies that we have that actually shows that soy is not you know it has a negative effect is it's a soy isolate protein that was done in that study right. And so the more you process buttered flavored oil this is literally not even something real this is an oil that they take a fake flavoring that makes it taste like butter there's nothing real about this right it's soybean oil palm kernel oil soy less than natural flavor which can be one of any thousand ingredients right then beta carotene like this is so highly processed it's insane. You know they add in some niacin and thiamine and some vitamins in here because otherwise you would be getting probably nothing healthy at all for you so they have to add in some of those vitamins to their credit. But you know you got a multed barley flour they have an anti foam agent with the methyl polysiloxane I bet you I could find studies on this that show either probable carcinogen or possible carcinogen or endocrine disrupting. I bet you I mean I could probably look it up right now and just see I bet you because most of the time I'll look up these kinds of ingredients and then I'll go look at studies and I'll see like they've already done studies that show that this highly processed thing as a food additive is it disrupts your immune to your endocrine system messes with your hormones you know they do rat studies and go oh we actually saw a higher increase of cancer like I said all the time when I look up these kinds of super processed ingredients right like this is just insane and this is what people need to realize this one sandwich which normally if you ate this at home would have zero sugar by the way right zero should have zero sugar no processed sugar no added sugar carbohydrates converting through glucose you know fructose whatever carbs you're having that's a healthy sugar in its full form but look at this they add sugar to this to make you addicted to it they add process ingredients to make you addicted to it they add processed oils and all kinds of they call natural flavors these are not very natural I promise you they're not supernatural especially if they're not organic right they have more sugar added up here it's like it's just non-stop you'll find sugar sugar sugar yeast I bet you we can find sugar like four or five times in here they added to just about everything and so when you go and look at the sugar content of this is a slightly different sandwich which when they look at the deluxe Chick-fil-A deluxe so let's look at that sugar content Chick-fil-A deluxe sandwich sugar content seven grams of sugar look at their popular one up here the honey pepper pimento 16 grams of sugar these are sandwiches which should have zero sugar honey pepper grilled fillet 15 grams of sugar I mean we know how bad sugar is for cancer right sugar throat I mean how bad yeah sugar is for cancer cancer thrives on sugar and you know when you have a cancer diagnosis avoiding processed sugar is a probably a pretty good idea yeah oh yeah yeah that's not those those ingredients lists they get a little overwhelming it's just best to avoid if you can't make it in your own kitchen you might want to rethink it exactly that's where it comes down to eating you know just eat real food guys just eat real food that comes from the earth you know eat more fruits and vegetables eat more legumes and nuts and seeds and berries like if if God made it if it's growing on the planet if it's something you can grow in your backyard that's what you should be eating and if it comes out of a laboratory and filled with all kinds of processed sugar and man made chemicals we should probably rethink not eating that and and the habit is just not buying that stuff and finding other things to replace it with right if you like the crunch of potato chips like try some different kinds of things like set you know I love salary and hummus or like carrots and hummus or a like a salsa fresca with something you know you get that crunch from the carrots or from kind of fresh cucumber or from you know bell peppers oh my gosh everybody's little sweet bell peppers and eat those with like hummus or salsa fresca or you know avocado dip it's amazing you start to retrain your palate and then those foods that didn't think tasted good once you start beating the highly processed highly sugar foods and eat more of the real you know real foods your taste buds go back to the way they're supposed to be which is those foods actually start tasting amazing don't they you know yeah it's a shift so we talked about soy you know there's I've talked about soy so many times in my community because there's so much misinformation avoid soy soy is bad for you soy causes cancer soy increases estrogen et cetera et cetera which you and I know that's nonsense but can you talk a little bit about soy because I know that's one of the core ingredients that is the main ingredient in the healing 951 product which cancer patients use every day and somehow they see incredible benefits from it. Yeah it's wild I mean I come from a background where I was very anti soy I came from that camp and I have books on my shelf back here that are demonizing soy and going through all the you know things and so it was it was some unlearning and on my quest of why I should avoid soy I ended up becoming kind of pro soy and understanding what's really happening and kind of the process of how it got it got demonized and how it got a bad name and and really you know there are some aspects of it like you mentioned you got these highly processed soybean oils and the soy protein isolates and things that really have no business you know it's it's you're at that point you're so far beyond what soy really is that it doesn't have a kind of a place in the conversation because they're not great. And so what we're doing is we a lot of people understand so soy beans there's over 2000 different varieties of soy. And so not all of those soybeans are created equal some are grown for crayons and some are grown for a highly processed soybean or some are grown for cow feed. So understanding what the different species of soy are are what their what their phytonutrient profile is how and how they're grown is a really big deal and and one of the problems we do run into here in the US and and I'm sure a lot of your listeners understand this is, is that there's one main company out there that has a patent on a genetic genetically modified soy that is very invasive and cross pollinates with anything around it. And then turns that into its soy so about 95% of the soy produced in the US is is kind of can be problematic. And it's really grown for that speed growing and that that you know things like like I said like crayons and and even you know fuel and things like that so understanding that where the soy is coming from because in its in its pure state and it's in its original state man it is an awesome plan it's a complete protein. Your amino acid profile is quite robust it has things like you talked about the the phytonutrient like Jeniston is a is a phyto estrogen very misunderstood for years now holy cow the benefits that people are seeing and the studies coming out in the last just five, six, seven, eight years on Jeniston with anything from cancer to menopause to inflammation to you know just so many different things that it helps to regulate the the estrogens in the body. It's not promoting these skyrocketing estrogen levels like they originally thought it's really helping to balance and regulate it's a they call serum a selective estrogen receptor modulator. And you know just that's just one of the many you know there's there's the protease inhibitors there's the phytosterols which if you listen to the word phytosterols sounds a lot like cholesterol it's the plant version which has kind of given soy its reputation, you know, in the cholesterol space and helping to regulate that so the benefits are just fantastic when you get the right species and it's grown correctly you're growing organically, and then to take those benefits to the next level. So really fermentation is just an absolute must I mean the fermentation process is great so that's where you see, you know cultures that have a rich heritage with soy. It's not a natto and you know fermentation with that natto can ease enzyme and it's things like tempeh and you know fermented tofu and even fermented soybean drinks are things that are very commonplace, one to help preserve it and to maintain the value but then also to increase its ability to affect the body in a good way that bioavailability the way that those nutrients are processed. And even how some of them you you actually change the chemical structure in the fermentation to where you're creating new fermentation metabolites and things that are just just wildly beneficial. And so that's kind of where you know our product started was seeing those benefits of soy and we kind of take that to a whole new level. From a from a soy perspective which you know I'm sure we can get into but I don't know if there's anything on soy to Dr stones really, you know, been a great resource for us and understanding, and kind of educating folks on some of the misconceptions of soy that have crept in over the years but then some amazing benefits. Just piggyback off that real quick just like both of you. I was also in the camp of soy is bad for quite some time like even through medical school that professors, you'd hear on both sides some would absolutely love it some were not and I think it just also comes down with that education piece because when he'll and reached out to me the first time to talk about what we're doing today and me helping their company. It was just a company that I really fell in love with quickly. I do a lot on social media so you're always getting these brands asking you to do things and not really something I'm usually very interested in doing but once I pulled up their product saw the studies that saw what they're doing in the oncology space which is something kind of dear to my heart there. It really just gravitated towards me and then once that kind of started as like okay if they're getting all these amazing results and publications like I want to find out everything there's no way to make sure I could speak on this the proper way going forward because there's obviously something deeper to this and that's what really struck me is when you go into the studies I mean there's almost nothing but just positivity coming on almost every single study and just even so much more to come because the nice part is like what Jim was saying this product is the whole plant and fermented it's not that isolate like soy like that then that we're looking at earlier within that there's so many constituents within this plant that we know some of the mechanisms we know what it's doing but there's probably hundreds and hundreds of more that still need to be studied to figure out what all of these benefits potentially can be for someone and that's something very looking forward to here in the future as well is also looking at different ways Halen could adapt into other patients life as well because I think there's just so many benefits across many diseases there. But I think it really comes down to first understanding really what soy is good soy versus bad soy and then what it's really doing in your body there to see how this could be truly a food as medicine source. Yeah when we recommend soy to anyone it's always number one you know USDA certified organic. I always you know if you're going to use soy because like you said most of it's genetically modified most of it's heavily sprayed with you know toxic herbicides and so you want to make sure it's USDA certified organic. And then and then number two it's close to whole source is possible right and then fermented is like an additional benefit because you just get those you know extra benefits as you talked about from fermentation. I mean look at the healthiest people on the planet I mean look at you know people from China and Japan that go back thousands of years who've eaten soy right so it's been a major staple crop protein source amino acid source you know vitamin nutrient fiber source. Especially as fermented form but not to mention in tofu you know and tempeze another good fermented form you know tofu is generally just soybean some kind of calcium calcium binder usually and water. Like that's it that's that's about as processed as you want to get with something you know they're not adding lots of man made chemicals and junk additives and things like that to it. And so you know now we have I mean we have these populations of people who've eaten soy for thousands of years and have been very healthy with it without massive cancer rates until recently until the western diet has been exported and imported into these countries where they have all this ultra processed food and fast food then you see you know in all the toxins and heavy metals and so forth and stress and then you see cancer rates skyrocket but before then. Like people you know millions of people eating soy for many many years why didn't everybody have cancer right why did everyone have why didn't men turn into women and why didn't you know what I mean it's like it obviously hasn't happened because and when you look at the studies it makes sense why because number one phytoestrogens in something like soy or plants have up to one one millionth of the effect of a human estrogen molecule so like even if you get you know if you had a human estrogen molecule or you took a you know where they make synthetic estrogen from yams for example right the phytoestrogen and plants has somewhere between one and a thousand to one and a millionth of the effect. So people think I've heard these doctors carnivore doctors online talk about how oh don't eat soy it's so bad for you it has 10 times or 100 times the amount of estrogen that beef has for you. And it's like if you compare the effect on the estrogen it actually has 100 times less of the effect the soy does then the amount of estrogen that you would get from beef for example because of its impact in the estrogen receptors in the body it also attaches to the beta receptor right Jim and Dr. Stone you guys know this so that it helps prevent excess edge it can help prevent excess estrogen especially from Zenoestrogens right plastics and things like that from entering into our endocrine system entering into our estrogen receptors which is what you want you want less Zenoestrogens and process estrogens and estrogenic mimicking like molecules from the environment entering into your system because those will throw your endocrine system out of whack whereas you're getting these healthy phytoestrogens in tiny doses even if you're eating a lot of eight soy literally every single day you know I haven't grown breasts yet it's been like you look pretty manly I don't know some people might differ I don't know you know it's been like 15 years I think I've been eating soy and nothing's happened yet I'll tell you what and my wife's been happy for the most part so you know but even then it's not like yeah you know a single case study doesn't really matter that much and yes I test my testosterone and all of that and that's all great and normal so the reality is though there are a lot of studies that show that increase or you know of these you know especially fermented soy I've seen some of these studies even on Helene I 51 has studies right where we see a positive benefit with estrogen related cancers breast cancer prostate cancer for example and then you add in you know this kind of product and you actually see benefit from it so if it was causing the cancer then why would that cancer you know start to go away when you add in something like this it's clear the research is there where there's lots of it it's just people just don't know it so it's important that we have this conversation so people realize right organic USA certified you know fermented you know it doesn't happen fermented but fermented does give you those extra benefits and then you know don't be afraid of it right it's like realize that it is a nutritional powerhouse for your body yeah absolutely that's I mean that's a big understanding understanding how you know especially with like just something as simple as the phytoestrogens and you know there were originally back in the late 90s you know some into the early 2000s there were some studies that came out that had some poor parameters and really were super misleading and a lot of those have been duplicated and kind of you know debunked if you will and really shown the exact opposite effect of what they were they were thinking and like you said with that that alpha versus the beta receptor is improving that ratio not only does it help you know with just general overall estrogen levels and blocking the zeno estrogens like you talked about classic but it's such an important factor when considering estrogen driven cancers particularly you know breast and very in for men prostate all just such an important thing and you know we get you know beyond the kind of cancer thing we get a lot of women going through womanopause and that I mean to help with those symptoms of hot flashes things like that just a little bit every day I mean it's it's pretty significant the results that they're seeing to to improve sleep and and you know just the you know the things that kind of come along with that transition in life and help balancing it out and what you see is like back in the you know 60s 70s even into the 80s it was so commonplace that you know women would just turn to soy to help regulate that and then in the late 90s it just kind of got this really bad rap and people were not doing it but now we're seeing you know really in the last you know six, seven, eight years this resurgence of we make that wasn't so bad maybe we're on to something back there and we just kind of messed it up a little bit now we're coming back to it and that's how it usually goes right yeah we've been doing we've been doing this for over 30 years so we've our companies kind of seen all the ups and downs and we've just like hey what we're doing is working so that's awesome well I wanted to show this and then I know where we've got a wrap up we've got a few minutes left but I pulled up a study on one of the food additive emulsifiers that's in that Chick-fil-A sandwich by the way so it's called B-A-T-E-M date M right that sounds like it grows from some kind of tree yeah or a plant from the ground does that sound like a bear like a berry bush or something or some kind of all capital letters is throwing me off I don't know where we're going with this I don't know it sounds like you know maybe it's a date maybe it's a special kind of date from from from California right and I mean this is just one that I found so far I could probably find more if I dug in in the BMJ and they found that increased specifically this one the DATM stands for like this really long name that I can't pronounce but higher intakes of it were associated with higher risks of all outcomes for cardiovascular disease so from cerebral vascular disease to higher risk of cardiac cardiovascular disease it was all associated with higher risk of cardiovascular disease and coronary heart disease and this was a pretty decent study this was a prospective cohort study recent in 2023 right and so I'm not showing the study to claim that oh if you eat Chick-fil-A you're gonna have heart disease right I'm not making that claim but just point being is that number one we don't know what we don't know about processed foods and so and it takes years and people who are interested in people with money and a good heart generally to even think about doing these studies to figure out are they truly safe because the problem in this country is you don't necessarily have to prove safety not with vaccines not with added not with food additives not with not with chemicals that go inside your shampoos and soaps not even with supplements are highly regulated of course unfortunately but now you're with pharmaceuticals and here's the reason why you don't have to prove true safety which is why chemicals get passed all the time and then we don't find out till years later and thousands of people die Viox is a great example right and a lot of these studies get lied upon to and they lie about them and then they also do short term studies three months four months six months oh yeah we didn't see any major adverse effects what happens when you take that chemical that added every single day or four or five days a week for ten years twenty years plus you have it mixed with this chemical and this additive and then this chemical in this out of night now you have a soup a toxic soup of man made chemicals and additives that are going on your skin in your body every single day for years what do you think is going to happen well then we you know then we find out oh this one disrupts hormones or this one is probable carcinogen or all right so then they remove that one and then they come out with the next one and they make a bunch of money off of that for ten fifteen years and they find out oh that's not a good one right that one's causing problems so it's so much easier just to be like let's eat real food let's eat whole food let's eat you know organic soy let's eat you know organic fruits and vegetables as much as possible let's eat real foods and nutrients real foods and nutrition you know if it's going to be supplements they are you know whole food based supplements you know healing on fifty one's a good example you know where it's it's real foods without a bunch of you know fake additives and the odds are you're going to be much better off than otherwise so I just want to share that and any kind of closing thoughts you guys want to share and then you know where can people get in touch with both of you and yeah go from there yeah yeah just a just a couple of real thoughts I'm just thinking about you know we've talked a lot about soy and the benefits of soy but I think you know one thing is kind of to just draw light to what we're doing beyond just good soy you know so so we've seen that you know even adding dietary soy is great organic and you know fermented is being great but what we're doing is taking it to a whole new level and you know we love when people try it you know one thing that there's two things that people talk about when when they talk about healing is kind of a objections if you will as one it doesn't taste good and you know that's that's one thing like you mentioned before it's got a strong taste and you know when you look at the the cost of it you know you can think oh wow this is soy why why does it cost this price and so you know differentiating kind of what we're doing we're growing in Mongolia at elevation and we're hand harvesting fifty pounds of soy to make one bottle so it's quite a different process than just a machine harvest you know high high production of of soy that you think is like oh soy is so cheap fifty pounds of soy to make well I didn't even know that fifty pounds of soy make one bottle yeah it's it's it's uh I mean it's it's pretty pretty good I mean you think of you know what it takes to make maybe that's a maybe it's twenty pounds hold on I could be wrong I think it's twenty pounds I think it's like I said wrong but basically it's it's essentially equivalent to about a five gallon bucket you think of a five gallon of raw soy that's what it takes to ferment down to one so maybe it's twenty pounds twenty five pounds maybe probably twenty pounds that's still a lot of I mean that's still a lot so you're fermenting that down into a single bottle right I usually do when I'm taking it I'll usually do like a half a bottle at a time I know good maintenance dose is generally like a quarter bottle a day something like that or even an ounce yeah one ounce yeah but all you should do like a half bottle at a time and then but yeah so that's I mean that's you're talking about super concentration of all of the you know anti cancer benefits in a single drink so yeah that makes sense that's like you eating twenty pounds of tofu versus just a couple a few a couple ounces of the drink yeah just taking a little little shot of healing and one of the things too that's a little bit different that we're doing is it's not the typical fermentation like you would see you know you would you would do you know you're like lacto fermentation we're doing a nitrogen fermentation and that nitrogen is a really effective delivery system for those specific compounds being the isoflavin jennison that we talked about is having a delivery mechanism because you know in the past when you've looked at jennison and these studies you got to take so much to see a benefit like what we're seeing because the delivery mechanism that we're using is so effective and it really can just assimilate right into your body super quickly it can affect those cells really quickly and so you know what we're doing we've really refined this process down over the years and I mentioned before we've been doing this over 30 years now and the product has really stood the test of time with not only you know the various studies the results but but really you know just that day in day out like you said that maintenance general health we have so many people who are just they love it the inflammation the you know the gut health those day to day things that just announce a day is pretty fantastic and then you know obviously you have a more serious health condition you know you're going to be taking more of it and like you mentioned before to get a hold of us we love a phone call you know give us a phone call every situation is different you might catch me on the phone personally would love the chat about the situation that you have and and how you know what we've seen over the years might might apply and or you can visit us at healing 951 that's h a e l a n 951.com tons of information there it's a really good resource not only for this general soy education but also for our product specifically well yeah I've when I've shared with people definitely hear that concern of oh it's a super expensive how can I afford this and I you know and I talked to people like well what's your what's your focus on your treatment like what are you focusing on where are you spending your energy where are you spending your money you know where what's important to you I mean a single round of chemotherapy you know can cost you a hundred thousand dollars for you know a single series of a you know chemotherapy that runs you three months maybe for example right like you're doing however many doses in there like that can be a hundred thousand dollars right and then a lot of people's insurance isn't going to cover it maybe you're paying 10,000 for that maybe you're I mean bankruptcy from health care bills is you know health care in this country is number one reason for bankruptcy it's insane right and did that actually help you heal and so I just I don't know I have to tell people like number one yes your finances are a main concern you have to think about it we all do right we all have bills to pay and at the same time it's like where is your money being spent and can you know reallocate it based on what your main focus is if your main focus is to heal and you're trying to do it naturally well then think about what that means for you in terms of you know what's what's your health worth I remember when I started eating organic like I didn't I was barely making enough money to pay the rent but I still made a priority to buy organic for my family because I realized how important it was and I didn't know how I was going to pay the rent every month but I still bought organic every single month I still we still grocery stores like we're buying organic we're buying organic because my health my wife and I and our newborn daughter at the time it was like that was super important you know and so it's just like what are your priorities and what's important to you and what does money really mean if you're dead anyway like you know that's the reality you have to look at these things and go and people go well yeah well where does it actually work and all of that well go check it out look at the studies talk to their team talk you know look at the case studies I mean obviously there's no guarantees that anything there's no oncologist that can guarantee and you can speak to this doctor stone there's no doctor in the world that can guarantee whatever they're going to do is going to reverse whatever disease you have nobody can but you got to do what you feel is the right thing to do and for you you know but you got to get educated and see what's actually working for people and and then make an educated decision from there so yeah I get it I had one more thing they think it seems expensive but it's it's a it is a very high quality highly impactful you know food is basically food you know highly concentrated you know medicinal food for your body so you have to take that into consideration to yeah I had one thing I meant I meant to bring this up I had a late one of your listeners actually emailed me yesterday and I know we had talked about this for us like and you know finding somebody supposed to just it was perfect timing she's been going to she you know seventy eight seventy nine years old I have an email here her name's Janine and she had a particularly according to her on car colleges a particularly harsh chemo that they were recommending and she was you know she got on our product she did a lot of research on her own and and found us and was just super thrilled with the lack of side effects and that's what a lot of a lot of folks are using our product in conjunction with with their you know traditional treatments and she's doing really well she just was sent me an email was super excited she's like no heart damage no liver damage no kidney damage I maintain energy you know they're watching me super close but I'm just so excited I think this is making a huge to you know difference I'm so excited to share that with you and came from came from one of your listeners who heard heard our our ad on there was good I love to hear it I love to hear it I mean we're helping people and that's what we do and I it's like I only recommend things that I've as you know highly vetted highly research and personally use myself which is why it's like I will talk about this all day long and recommended to people I'm just looking at your website in terms of like recommendations where like general health half to one ounce daily one bottle would give you eight to 16 servings intermediate support two to four ounces daily so bottle would give you two to four serving like daily serving so one bottle could last you you know a couple of weeks if you're looking for general health you're looking for intermediate support bottle could last you a few days and then advanced support you know four ounces twice daily it's going to give you two daily service so so advanced support you're looking at a bottle lasting you a couple of days right one day yeah one day yeah a bottle a day for maybe a hundred days or so yeah for a hundred days is what you kind of recommend people to start with to see see how it works for him. Yeah I mean usually get to that three month mark and a lot of times then it's you know things are going well you start tapering down maybe then the next month you do have a half a bottle you know like two ounces in the morning two ounces at night and then you just kind of taper down like you know then then you're kind of back into that general health maintenance type of thing and ounce a day. Dr. Stone is there anybody you is there anything you've there any reason you would recommend someone not to take healing on 51 or any fermented soy for that matter. Honestly I have not come across that yet. There's definitely theories out there definitely some people's soil allergies I would be a little cautious I know the companies never heard of a true soil allergy directed towards their product so. That's a nice outcome still just on the doctor side. I've raised whenever you hear allergy raises a red flag so you just want to be extra cautious in that direction there. There's the other side to this being a potential goitrogen so it's also always been classified as that meaning that it could affect the thyroid gland. We do see though with like the fermentation process and the way it's breaking down some of the constituents. It really doesn't affect the thyroid gland as much as some other goitrogens that are out there so for me it's also then in those type of cases to like any treatment that we're doing always weighing the pros and cons to the patient is what's the most efficacious things we could do to get the best outcomes and best health goals and I'm yet to have a person that I would not have said hey you should try this out and that goes to many patients from oncology patients to cardiovascular patients to even people like yourself athletes I work with that are just using it to decrease inflammation I just see so much benefit from I mean the medicinal side from it but even the fact that what it is it's a true whole food to even an awesome just protein source for someone to ingest on a daily basis so I'm very open with it for many of my patients but those are kind of the two areas definitely still take case by case and make sure I work them up to make sure it's the best treatment plan but still have always kind of mentioned it in the long run once it's gotten through their whole case there beautiful thank you for sharing that I would highly recommend for anyone getting some make sure you get this sweet mint flavoring it's a little scooper you pour it what I do so here's what I do Jim I don't know if I've even told you I take like I'll take like a normal sized water glass I don't know what that is like 16 ounces or something I'll fill it half with water and then I'll fill whatever dosage of the healing that I'm gonna put in there so like I said usually when I'm kind of cycling on like I'll cycle on and off healing so like right now I'm on it I'll do like a half bottle of time but even if I did I was doing quarter bottle for a while as well so put that in quarter or half whatever into the water and then I'll do a scoop of this sweet mint flavoring this mint powder which is super simple I like it because it's like organic lukema organic peppermint basically monk fruit extract and some vegetable fiber it's super simple but it's it gives it a much better flavor and then and then I don't have you know if you drink it by itself it's very strong you do get used to it if you drink it for a while but if you drink it with this mint powder it's like so much better it's like night and day I can drink it all day long with the mint powder mixed with water and it stirred up boom down no problem so people trying it for the first time get the mint powder you'll be happy that you did yeah it helps awesome guys so Healy951.com is a website and Dr. Stone if people want to get in touch with you what's the best place for them to I mean you got a clinic there in California where they where can they get in touch with you as well definitely yeah and I'm more than happy to discuss these two this product is part of your treatment plan and if it is a perfect fit for you as well our practice is we are told see W-E-A-R-E-T-U-L-S-I I'm definitely set up a consultation to talk more about healing as well sounds good thanks so much guys take care thank you for listening to the Nathan Crane podcast please make sure to subscribe and share this on social media then head over to nathancrain.com for your free ebook so when we're talking about you know what are these underlying causing conditions of these chronic diseases cancer diabetes heart disease they all have very similar if not identical causes and that's the thing is when we get to the root cause of these diseases we can not only prevent these diseases from ever happening but empower our bodies to heal from them in every one of our cells we have tens in hundreds of thousands of chemical reactions that are happening every second that are cycling back and forth and it's like sort of a yin and yang and you know for me the soul's purpose is evolution it doesn't care about comfort it cares about evolution and so I think so long as we are following our soul then we will evolve and I think what sometimes blocks us from living our purpose from manifesting that next level of our expression is we have not evolved there is also time for letting go all the expectations and relax and just breathe and be grateful for what you have achieved