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I'm John Fubil saying we are so glad to have you with us tonight. We've got some of our favorites joining us. The Reverend Barry Lynn, former executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State. One of our favorites. I love when Barry joins us. He's the classiest guy that still speaks to me. So I'm thrilled his standards are still low enough that he'll be here. Always welcome. We're going to have our native voices segment back for the first time in three weeks. Simon Moyes Smith and Julie Frenchlla will join us in our number two. And in our number three, we welcome Rex Hupke, who is an opinion columnist at USA today. He's kind of the humorish columnist at the Chicago Tribune. And now he's over there at the USA today. Had a great, great piece on JD Vance this week. It's it's not it's not looking good. It's it's called JD Vance takes worst VP pick ever crown from Sarah Palin and gets less likable every day. That's that's the name of the bit. I read it and I was like, you know what, we're we're getting that guy on the show. As always, our most important guest would be all y'all. We're at eight six six nine nine seven forty seven forty eight. It's been a pretty crazy day. I hope you've been keeping calm and I hope you're keeping warm. I mean, keeping cool. If that's the case, we just found out that Phoenix has officially hit their 100th consecutive day of 100 degree Fahrenheit weather. I I don't know how y'all do it. We will be performing in Phoenix later this month on the 28th. I hope to God that your heat streak breaks very, very soon. We're also going to be playing this weekend with the sexy liberal comedy tour. Not the sexy liberal save the world tour with Stephanie Miller, Houseparks and Frangela. We are coming to Portland, Oregon to the legendary Arlene Schnitzer Hall. My God, everyone in the world has performed at this place. It's a it's a palace. They call it the Schnitz over there in Portland, Oregon. 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I have no idea what Reverend Barry Lynn wants to talk about. Let's do a show tonight's lie. Comes from a troll called Mike Drop News, M-I-C, Mike Drop. By the way, anyone who ever uses the phrase Mike Drop, you know, there's someone who've never actually dropped a mic in a union house. Can I just point that out? Anyone who says Mike Drop has never had to pay for a broken mic in a union house. Anyway, this guy wrote Kamala Harris, but 2,000 mostly black men in prison for weed. Said this to me last night and you hear a lot about this guys who were all four, putting black men in prison for weed or, you know, whatever you need. Well, now they're trying to hurt Kamala Harris. So suddenly their anti drug warriors, except it's a lie. 2,000 mostly black men in prison for weed as the as the Attorney General of California really turns out there are 1,956 convictions. And of those 1,000, not not quite 2,000, but it's close. Of those 1,956 convictions, you know how many went to prison? 45, 45 out of 2,000, not 2,045 people who were sent to California state prison while Kamala Harris was DA out of 2,000 convictions like to point out the Biden Harris White House moved cannabis to a schedule three drug and decriminalized weed at the federal level. I wish there was enough weed in the world to make me forget idiots like this. You may have heard the father of Colt Gray has been arrested in connection with the shooting at Appalachian High School in Georgia. His name is Colin Gray, and he's been charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second degree murder, eight counts of cruelty to children. It turns out that Colin Gray bought the AR 15, his son used for his son as a gift. A few months after the authorities were alerted to the threats Colton made and the student who just killed these people had a visit from the FBI and they interviewed him. They interviewed his dad. They determined there was no probable cause. They made no arrests. And you see, Georgia doesn't have a red flag law. So police didn't and couldn't remove guns from the 13 year old's home, even though he threatened a mass shooting. His dad told the cops, oh, no, no, no, he doesn't have access to my guns. And then after after the FBI came to his house, he bought his kid the AR 15. And he told investigators this week he bought the gun used in the killings as a holiday present for his kid for last Christmas. You know, they're trying to figure out what to do about this because they weren't really sure if there's precedent in Georgia for the arrest of a parent in a shooting like this. You know, it's not illegal to buy your kid in AR 15. Right? It's not illegal to buy a 13 year old child in AR 15 in the state of Georgia. So where's the crime exactly? Because a mother and father in Michigan were convicted earlier this year after their son killed four people in another school shooting, which is considered to be the first instance in the country of that. Now this guy is in jail and the charges are directly connected with the actions of his son and allowing him to possess a weapon that when they were evicted from their Jackson County home two years ago, it turns out this young man grew up in a very, very turbulent household. He had a lot of mental health issues. He asked for help. His maternal grandfather has said that he was subject to a very volatile house living with his dad after they separated. So two years ago, he was evicted from their home in Jackson County and sheriff deputies removed several weapons, including a black AR 15 rifle with a scope, exactly the kind of weapon used to kill people in the school yesterday. A box of ammo as well, all of the weapons, which included handguns and bows were marked as released to owner. That was in 2022. A year later, the FBI came to the guy's house because his kid was making threats of a mass shooting. A few months later, he bought his kid his own AR 15. Yesterday, we know how that story ended. You know, the second amendment is not sacred. The bill of rights is changeable. And if you don't think the Constitution is changeable, let me come over and count your slaves some time, uh, muskets for a well regulated militia. Folks slaughtered children cut into ribbons is not constitutionally protected. The AR 15 was created specifically to kill large amounts of people very fast in a war setting. These guys are so afraid of their guns being taken away. No one wants your gunskeeter. We're talking about gun safety. We're talking about regulations. We're talking about registering all guns like their cars. So it's harder for legal guns to become illegal guns. It's harder for something to get sold in the parking lot of a gun show that way. We're talking for age restrictions. There's no need for a civilian to own an AR 15 and there's no need for a child to own one. We're asking for background checks, having a license. And yeah, not let civilians own weapons designed to kill lots of people really fast in a war setting. And they also watch big cars, cars kill people. Yes, but you godless, indifferent, craven, selfish, moron, twit. Cars when used as directly don't kill people. OK, and can you imagine how many more car deaths we'd have if they didn't have all of that annoying legislation for vehicles, like a license, an insurance, seat belts, not having open containers of booze, having functioning lights, not being high when you drive the speed limit. All of these inconvenient regulations that make it harder for me to exercise my right to drive a car. Now, Elon Musk has been accused all day of censoring information about the school shooting at Appalachian High School for all day. I read about this and I tried it myself. You, you couldn't find anything about cold gray on his no censorship, free speech, bullshit platform. Like, like I kept searching cold gray, g-r-a-y and nothing would come up on Twitter and I tried it for hours. But if you searched for cult gray, g-r-e-y, that you were allowed to search. That's not the correct spelling of his name, but everybody was writing the incorrect spelling because you couldn't search cult gray's name for hours. Of course, the homosexuals are all talking about mental health. It's a mental health issue. I think if he was black, he would not be hearing these conversations about mental health, right? Tamir Rice was 12 and he was playing with a toy gun in a park in Ohio. And police showed up and killed him within five seconds of showing up. 12 year old black boy with a toy, cold gray, 14 year old white boy with an AR 15 is alive and well and was taken in non violently after he shot and murdered four people at a high school in Georgia, investigated by the FBI last year for making threats to shoot up the school online, was still able to have a AR 15 given to him. Tamir Rice was playing with a toy gun in a park in Cleveland. Like to also point out none of our school shooters have been illegal immigrants or drag queens. They are abusive white boys. And well, it's okay because we're gonna we're gonna try them as an adult. We're gonna try this 14 year old as an adult, folks, they're gonna try to say things to sound tough. They are not trying to prevent a single school shooting. Punishing this kid harder than you would ordinarily is not going to prevent a single school shooting. They don't want to prevent school shootings. It's freedom. It's well regulated militias celebrating Second Amendment freedoms. The school shooting in Georgia was the 45th school shooting this year. There have already been 385 mass shootings in this country in 2024. Mass shooting is when four or more people are shot. That's 1.5 per day. So let's lighten things up and talk about Donald Trump because I don't know about you, but I need some comedy and the fact that Donald Trump will most likely never be president again and will most likely be facing the prospect of three highly publicized trials next year or fleeing the country to live and die in a place with no extradition treaties. Now earlier today, judge Tanya Chutkin allowed federal prosecutors to release never before seen evidence ahead of the election in the criminal case around Trump's incitement of the January 6th insurrection. It is the most important criminal case in history. And Trump's fans won't care. They don't care that he ended the 224 year peaceful transfer of power. We just saw him do an interview with that hack Mark Levin, where he said he admitted that he didn't win 2020 and admitted that he was allowed to interfere in the election. They don't care. Last night he went on Hannity and the latest thing Republicans won't care about is that he's still not quite sure who it is he's running against. Here's a last night where he catches himself saying that he's running against Biden and tries to smooth it out. Give a listen. I can't imagine New Hampshire voting for him. Anybody in New Hampshire, because they're watching right now, but anybody in New Hampshire that votes for Biden and Kamala, I really think I call her. There you go. He caught it and made fun of her name. That's that's how he covers it up. See, Donald Trump is surrounded by people he pays to be obedient to him. Flunkies and, you know, the people in his inner circle, the wives who don't stand up to him, the children from whom he withholds love. He's not used to having people say things he doesn't want to hear. So he really thinks he's bullshitting people. And in reality, people around him are pretending they're easily bullshitted to keep the paychecks coming. And that brings us to the economic club of New York. Did you guys happen to see any of Donald Trump's speech today? The economic club of New York invited a failed businessman, a guy who had multiple bankruptcies who could not keep a casino open in Atlantic City, even when his millionaire dad bailed him out. He came and read a speech off a prompter. And it was a really amazing object lesson in watching Donald Trump not have a rally audience, but actually have adults who are not easily swayed. He had nothing going on. It was maybe the worst speech he's given all year. And I'm not exaggerating. It was incoherent. He mumbled. He was so bored. He sounded elderly and like he'd rather be someplace else. Speaking at the economic club of New York, Donald Trump paints a fantastical picture of Kamala Harris's future politics. She's been after all of this for years. As everyone else, who destroyed all single-handedly sent Francisco. And when she was the AG, California itself, not the same place, people are leaving, they're fleeing like they are in New York. She'll seek out and she will try and get those things if she's elected and she may very well succeed. He donated thousands of dollars to her campaign. Turns out half of Gen Z voters now say they'll vote for Vice President Harris in November, one third of Gen Z voters say they'll vote for Trump. That is a bigger gap than other polls. But not quite at the levels Biden had in 2020, but it's pretty interesting. This was Survey Monkey and NBC News. Uh, Harris is backed by 60% of young voters, all the young voters who say they're almost certain they'll cast the ballot in the presidential election. 60% of them say they'll vote for her. Joe Biden got 60% of 18 to 29 year olds. Yeah, by the way, since the year 2020, there are now over 8 million newly eligible voters. A one in 10 respondents of the poll said they're not going to vote in the presidential election. I think if only one in 10 doesn't show up, that's astronomically high for this country, but she's got 60% of young voters who say they're certain they're going to vote. They'll be voting for her. But let's go back to Donald Trump at the Economic Club of New York because he probably read this poll result right before he went on stage, purposefully mispronouncing her first name, because that really helps with the swing voters you're trying to reach. Listen to how tired and old he sounds as he rattles off the same old divide and conquer bullshit about immigrants are taking jobs that belong to you blacks. So now working second jobs, the highest in more than 30 years, the real wages of African American workers are down by over 6% short period of time. The real incomes from Hispanic men are down 6.6% or $3,600 per year. And on top of that, African Americans and Hispanic American jobs are under massive threat from the invasion taking place at our border. They're taking the jobs of Hispanic Americans, African Americans, and nobody talks about it, but I won't let it happen. Right, um, folks, you know this, if you listen to this channel, this channel is filled with a lot of people smarter and more moral than me. The only reason they cross the border is because guys like Trump give out the jobs. That's it. Donald Trump's hired them in two different centuries. That's why they crossed the border. Oh, you know what else it turns out, Catholics prefer Kamala Harris. Oh, yes, they do. Kamala Harris is leading Donald Trump by seven points among Catholic voters, 50 to 43, and she leads among every category of Catholics who go to mass, except for the people who go to mass seven days a week, Hispanic Catholics are almost twice as likely to support Kamala Harris over Donald Trump. So I want to leave you with this, uh, we have much to cover. And it's been even worse for Trump throughout the day because Goldman Sachs said a Trump victory either with a divided government or Republicans having both houses would result in a, a drag on the GDP in the second half of next year, like, like Goldman Sachs and we'll be playing highlights of Donald Trump's incredibly boring, dispirited speech throughout the night. North Carolina tomorrow will become the first date to mail out 2024 ballots, by the way, and we'll talk about how Donald Trump is scaling back in Virginia, scaling back in Minnesota and giving up completely in New Hampshire. But the best part of his entire speech today was when someone asked him a question about what specific legislation Donald Trump would support that would make childcare more affordable because most American support having easier access to childcare. Give a listen to Donald Trump. Assume he's talking to a room full of idiots and use a lot of words. Every Republican you know should have to justify this clip. Here's Trump on childcare. If you win in November, can you commit to prioritizing legislation to make childcare affordable and if so, what specific piece of legislation will you advance? Well, I would do that and we're sitting down. You know, I was somebody we had, Senator Marco Rubio and my daughter, Ivanka, was so impactful on that issue. It's a very important issue. What policy would you support? About the kind of numbers that I'm talking about that because the childcare is childcare, it's couldn't, you know, there's something you have to have it. In this country, you have to have it. But when you talk about legislation, would you support the kind of numbers that I'm talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels that they're not used to, but they'll get used to it very quickly. And it's not going to stop them from childcare with us, but they'll have what? A very substantial tax when they send product into our country. Those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers that we're talking about, including childcare, that it's going to take care. We're going to have, I look forward to having no deficits within a fairly short period of time, coupled with the reductions that I told you about on waste and fraud and all of the other things that are going on in our country. Because I have to stay with childcare. I want to stay with childcare. But those numbers are small relative to the kind of economic numbers. Okay, that's that's good. I think people get the idea. Thank you so much, Chris. So he just want to I just want to what I just want to point out should would you support to make childcare more affordable? Yes. I just want to point out that that clip goes up 40 40 more seconds. Goes on for so long. It drags on like one of Trump's marriages. So so that's it, right? Like like you think he'd be prepared for a question like what specific laws would you support to make childcare more affordable? I mean, this guy's not been campaigning. He's been holed up in his retirement house for the month doing debate prep. He ain't ready, folks. But JD Vance, I'm sure JD Vance is ready for a question like that. And as we head to the break, here's a Ohio Senator JD Vance VP nominee. They asked him pretty much the same question because this is the guy who chose to do a campaign photo op instead of voting for the expanded child tax credit for 16 million low income families. So they asked baby man, the same question. They asked man, baby, how are we going to make childcare more affordable for Americans? Listen to baby man dodge the question. Can we do about lowering the cost of daycare? Hayden, obviously a working family and it's very hard for working families to get by, how will we lower the cost of daycare? You know, such an important question, Charlie. And I think one of the things that we can do is make it easier for family models to choose or for families to choose whatever model they want. Right. So one of the ways that you might be able to leave a little bit of pressure on people who are paying so much for daycare is make it so that maybe like grandma or grandpa wants to help out a little bit more, or maybe there's an aunt or uncle that wants to help out a little bit more. If that happens, you relieve some of the pressure on all the resources that we're spending a daycare. Now you talk about just daycare. Let's say you don't have somebody who can provide that extra set of hands. There you go, folks. You heard that right. That was actually empower people to get trained in the skills that they need for the what can we do about lowering the cost of daycare? Maybe grandma and grandma can help more, maybe an aunt or an uncle. He's going to empower the elderly to become unpaid daycare providers. That's JD Vance's plan to lower the cost. It's embarrassing. This race is this close. We'll be back in just a moment with the Reverend Barry Lin and your calls. This is progress. Have you ever covered a carpet stain with a rug ignored a leaky faucet? Pretended your half painted living room is supposed to look like that. Well, you're not alone. We've all got unfinished home projects, but there is an easier way. Thumbtack is the app that makes it easier to care for your home. Pull out your phone and in just a few taps, search, chat and book, highly rated pros right in your neighborhood. Download Thumbtack and start caring for your home the easier way. 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He has not held a rally in Virginia in six weeks. For more, let's go to the smartest and most moral person that still talks to me. Reverend Barry Lynn is a free speech hero. He's an ordained minister in the United Church of Christ. He was executive director for Americans United for the separation of church and state for many years until his retirement in 2017. And you've seen him like me on TV my whole life. The Today's Show, News Hour, 60 Minutes, even the O'Reilly Factor. Reverend Barry put out his memoir and it comes in three volumes. It's called Pay to Piss People Off. And the books are called Peace, Porn and Prayer. Reverend Barry Lynn, what a pleasure to welcome you back to SiriusXM. It is very nice to be back here. Thank you, sir. Absolutely. Well, we were talking about the campaign and I wanted to ask you, you were you were saying that you think the Senate outcome is looking better than ever, even though it's still kind of perilous for Democrats. What do you mean by that? It seems like everyone's been saddling me for years. The Democrats are going to lose this year and they got to try to keep the house. Are you getting filled with hope? I am quite filled with hope for a series of reasons. I mean, the only thing the Democrats will lose are two non Democrats, one in Arizona and, of course, one in West Virginia and they won't get their West Virginia seat back because it won't justice is just too popular governor. And he's running against a guy who's 20, 25 points behind the polls. But when it comes to the other races, I have great optimism for a couple of reasons. I mean, there are places like Ohio where Sherrod Brown was seemingly in a lot of trouble. The new polls show he's in far less trouble. In fact, he's a bit ahead in most recent polls. But the most important factor is that the abortion is on the ballot in 10 states, including ones that are tremendously important for the Democrats, like Arizona, Michigan, Missouri, Maryland, Nebraska, Nevada. And that's going to draw out a lot of women voters and women voters, as you pointed out, are moving dramatically in favor of the Harris Wall's team. Yeah. Yeah. I was also reporting Barry. New polls shows that Harris leads with a seven point lead among Catholics. And twice as many Latino Catholics are now supporting the vice president as support Donald Trump. Yeah, all the trends are in the right direction. There's just no question about it. And that's what gives me hope about it. And in some of these races that used to look somewhat competitive or dangerous as possible losses for Democrats, I'm just not worried about them anymore. It doesn't mean people shouldn't make contributions. And it also means we have to be very selective about who we're supporting. Financially, there are people who are simply not going to win. If you give a dollar to somebody running against Jim Justice in West Virginia, frankly, you're throwing your money away. But if you're voting for people that are in the middle and there's so many of these people that are very, very close, if you look at the latest polls, the ones that were done at the very end of August or the beginning of September, you know, you find numbers that I found it unbelievable, impossible to think about. Ruben Gallego in Arizona is still up by four points. He had been up by 10 points, but Kerry Lake is one of the worst campaigners and the nastiest people in American politics. She's never given up on the fact that she was robbed of her governor's race in Arizona two years ago, or the Donald Trump should not have been elected president, Larry Hogan in Maryland looked like he was doing better. Now he's not doing so well. He's losing to an African American former mayor named Angela, also Brooks. And she and she's up by six or seven points. Now, you know, one of the things that we've talked about this before, CNN seems to love the fact that they can find people that they claim are relatively normal Republicans like Larry Hogan, who had been the governor of Virginia and Maryland and is now running for the Senate. And they put him on all the time and he's not he's he doesn't like Trump. That's not enough. He's a very, very conservative figure. And they had him on so much that people I think just said, well, he's on CNN. He must be a reasonable Republican, but he isn't a reasonable Republican. I think people are now starting to pick up on that. Are you enjoying the campaign yet, Reverend? Are you enjoying Harris walls? I thought about you at the convention two weeks ago. I am enjoying it tremendously. I watched so much of the convention that I was. I thought I'd be conventioned out. I used to go to conventions back in the late 1960s, early 70s. And we used to do things that would be unheard of today. For example, we once had a war resistor, a Vietnam war resistor named Fritz Efall, who had been living in exile in Britain, come back to the United States, land at the airport. And then he was not arrested. People said because he said and he was a delegate to the Democratic convention from Democrats abroad. He was nominated by a gold star mother, Louise Ransom, whose son had been killed on Mother's Day. And by Ron Kovac, the author of Born on the Fourth of July, a man that lost the use of both of his legs when he was terribly injured in Vietnam. And this is such an iconic moment. And it was on the front page of almost every newspaper in the country. And it did irritate the Democratic party at the time. I mean, they really didn't want this to happen. They didn't want it to happen in prime time. And for one point, they said, we can't really let Ron Kovac speak because we can't get him up to the platform because he's in a wheelchair. And I pointed out that a night before they had had one George Wallace, also in a wheelchair, they managed to get him up to speak. So, but the Democratic party, I think, has come to a better understanding of what it means to be a Democrat and an openness to the fact that Democrats come in a variety of sizes, shapes, colors and expectations. And that that's okay. That's a good thing. So I was blown away. I mean, I literally cried when Tim Walsh was introduced by his son. I mean, that was, I don't know how it felt there, but I mean, it was the most powerful thing I've seen in television for many, many years. Yeah, it was wonderful. And what I kept thinking was look at the whole spectrum of ideology within the Democratic party alone. You've got everything from rastafarians to conservative anti-abortion rights, Democrats in Texas. I mean, I was walking around thinking, you don't need a second party. You've got so much diversity in this one. But, Reverend, I want to ask you a little closer, more localized. You have been a champion of free speech. It's what you've devoted your ministry to and your professional life and your life as both a lawyer and a reverend. And Florida, Barry, we've had to talk about Florida quite a bit. I know that there was recently a lawsuit filed by publishers against Florida officials for all of these book bands. Now it does seem like Governor Ron DeSantis now that he knows he won't be president has been backing off of all of his relentless, how much more right wing than Trump can I be measures and the people of his state are having to pick up the pieces. I think that's why his state might be in play now this year. But what's going on with this lawsuit? The book bands have kind of been forgotten by the mainstream. Yeah, it really is in play and they have a very strong candidate and another abortion measure on the ballot. What happened, and this got almost no attention, but publishers and several parents sued the state school board in Florida because of the law that, among other things, just a quote at a second here, it allows parents to dispute the contents of any book or the availability of any book that depicts or describes sexual conduct or is pornographic or in any way of inappropriate for the grade level and age group of students in a particular school. Now the two ways you can do this, they actually have a provision in the law that says, if a parent wants to challenge this, he or she can go to a school board meeting and begin to read from the books that they think are inappropriate. And if the school board members are so horrified by what they hear, they can say, stop reading it, and then they can immediately ban its use in classrooms or in libraries in a weird JD Vance kind of approach. If you have a child in school in Florida, you can challenge as many books as you want, if you are a parent without a child in a Florida school, you can only file one complaint per month, you know, it's the cat, the kind of the cat lady thing again, creeping up. Most of the censorship doesn't occur that way. It occurs because people believe that they can create fear. They go to the local school and they say to the librarian, you know, we were very offended by the illustrated version. This is a true story of the illustrated version of Anne Frank's diary. And there is a picture in Anne Frank's illustrated diary of she in a kind of fantasy mode walking through a museum statutory, a statue hall. And there are statues, kind of like Michelangelo, David, that appear to have no clothes on that is deemed pornographic. And it has been it has caused a placement in some Florida school district. So most of its fear, it's very difficult, you know, I hate censorship. I've hated it forever, but I've always been in a position where I could do this without fearing losing my job. But if you talk to librarians or you talk to school teachers, when a parent starts saying, I think you're showing my 10 year old pornography. It scares the Jesus out of people, of course, because they fear their job. And that's where most of the censorship happens. That's all bullying. It's all bullying got nothing to do with Jesus. Does there ever nothing to do with Jesus? Nothing to do with Jesus. No, no, Jesus was not in favor of that. I think he I think he he had some, you know, parable about throwing seeds out and if the seeds land in a good place and they grow and if they don't and they don't grow and I think he can say the same thing for these materials, don't ban them. You never achieve anything by banning them, except as one student said in a clip in regard to this very lawsuit, I when I find out that somebody is challenging a book, I put it on my book list to buy the next time I'm in a bookstore. So, you know, it has that peculiar thing. And, you know, you can't you cannot keep children away from everything that could disturb them. And if there's race involved, that's why Maya Angelos, I know why the cage bird sing is a very popular source of censorship efforts in Florida and indeed around the country. Barry, I have a question for you. And who are the the National Religious Broadcasters Association? This is quite an interesting story. And it really is a story about I want to call it Christian privilege, but they don't really fight for anything Jesus talked about it. I would say it's a, you know, master race Christian privilege. You know, I think churches have a really good privilege over secular nonprofits by having tax exempt status. But apparently that's not enough for some televangelists. No, it's not there's a provision in the tax code. It's been there since 1954. It's sometimes referred to as the Johnson Amendment because Lyndon Johnson was a big promoter of it. It has a provision in it that says you can talk about anything. They lie about this in the law. So you can talk about any issues. You can talk about it in every sermon, every prairie utter, but you can't endorse or propose any candidate for public office. You just can't say, you can say, you can say, I'm in favor of the end of abortion. And by the way, vote for Donald Trump. You cannot say that and no check, no nonprofit can do that. And one of the very first things I did at Americans United was complain about a church that had taken out of $44,000 ad in the back page of USA Today. It said you can't vote for Bill Clinton. He's a sinner that a proof text of all the sinful things that he allegedly was involved in. And then at the bottom, it said, and if you vote for a sinner, you are a sinner to another biblical proof text for that and then send money to. And this was a church at Pierce Creek. It was the church by notorious anti-abortion wacko. You know, it's amazing. And if I forget these names, Randall Terry, of course, Randall Terry. Oh, that guy, Randall, Randall Terry. He, he had done an advertisement himself for this group. He ran for Operation Rescue. And I've been remarkably similar to the language that was in that, that newspaper had, uh, we wrote to the IRS. The IRS took immediate action. They revoked as they should. They revoked the tax exemption of the church at Pierce Creek. They immediately got lawyers. They sued in trial court. They lost. They went on appeal. They lost wisely for them. They didn't take it to the United States Supreme Court. So you can talk about anything you want. You can talk about it. And the IRS has a very limited interest in pursuing this, whether it's a democratic or a Republican administration. Trump made it a little more difficult to do these. But Obama did very little and Clinton did very little. And frankly, you know, I don't think we're going to see much out of the Biden administration doing it. If you want to be a politician, then form some other kind of organization. What the religious broadcasters now do is say, well, there are some newspapers that have become nonprofits. And there are this one in Utah and the Philadelphia Inquire is actually a non-prof. They say it's a nonprofit. It is not even that's not true because it is a for profit company that happens to be under the umbrella of a much bigger nonprofit that does not endorse anyone. So I want to point out also that Donald Trump lied in 2017. He said he signed an executive order that he said had gotten rid of the Johnson Amendment and the Freedom from Religion Foundation sued him over this. And once in court, Trump's lawyers admitted he had no authority to overturn a federal statute by an executive order. Barry, this lawsuit's not going anywhere, right? Well, no, I think it will go somewhere because of this. The one new wrinkle, this idea that if journalists have a nonprofit status, they ought to get their facts right, but they might find one that does. I don't think that if you are a journalist and you run a nonprofit, you shouldn't be able to endorse candidates. And I'll tell you who did this, the National Rifle Association, when it was run by Wayne Lopier, he had a radio show. I'm not sure if it was on Sirius XM or not, but it was on a lot of stations. And he said, I'm going to form this nonprofit journalism entity. And then I can go out and be on the radio on hundreds of stations and talk about who to vote for. It was a very clever idea. It was a perversion of the idea of what journalists can and cannot do. But, you know, he's no longer running the National Rifle Association because of all the fraudulent stuff that he did and the money he spent. But I'm told he is moving to New England to Maine. I'm not making this up. To open ice cream stand because one of the things he spent money from the NRA on was exotic flavors of ice cream. I just want him to bury. I know you're a reverend. You're a good person. I just want Wayne Lopier to die in prison. I just want him to have his liberty taken from him and for him to spend the rest of his life in a jail cell thinking about all the murders he made so much easier. We got to take a break, but I'm not done with you yet. Can you stick around? It's a little bit longer. Maybe take a call from some of the riffraff out there. We got to take a quick one. We'll be back in just a moment. This is progress. Hey, podcast listeners, great news. All your favorite comedy podcasts can be enjoyed ad-free on Amazon music. 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And it's one of the most closely washed races in the country for 2024. John Tester is considered to be one of those very vulnerable Senate Democrats and the guy running against him. Republican Senate candidate, Tim Sheehy, turns out is now being urged to apologize because he is what the dictionary calls a fucking racist. There's a tape of this guy, Sheehy. And he's he's talking with his ranching partner. He's commenting that his ranching partner is a member of the crow tribe. And he says, great way to bond with all the Indians to be out there while they're drunk at eight a.m. And tribal leaders are asking this man to apologize, but this is the Republican party. So decency and apologies are weakness. He has still not apologized. I want to make this man really famous. And I'm going to ask two of the best people I know to help me do it. Simon Moyer-Smith is an aglala Lakota and Chicano journalist. He's a contributing writer at NBC News and the nation.com. He is the author of the forthcoming book, Your Spirit Animal is a jackass. And he's an adjunct professor of Indigenous Studies at the University of Colorado in Denver. Simon, I've missed you for three weeks. Welcome back. It's been too long, man. Been too long. It's a pleasure to have you. Julie Frenchl is a mental health professional with over 30 years of experience and handling complex trauma with Indigenous youth and families. She's an enrolled member of the Ojibwe Abhachawana First Nations Reserve. She's taught Indigenous Studies at Durham College, focusing on the impacts of colonization on First Nations people. Julie, thank you. It's been way too long since you've been on our show. Thank you for having us back. We're so happy to be here. Well, thank you. I missed you guys at the DNC. It was pretty crazy. There was some representation at the Democratic Convention of First Nations Americans, and I was glad to see that happen in anything there that was of note to either of you that stood out or was inspiring. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, Peggy Flanagan, starting off, I think it was the first night of the DNC. And then just having representation there, which we rarely see. You know, we're sort of the invisible nations. So it was so nice to have Peggy Bear and, you know, other representation. And I mean, every time, you know, we're sort of included, we're just, we're just happy that, you know, people are recognizing that we're still here. Hashtag, we're still here. Yeah. Simon, anything for you or was it pretty, uh, pretty much par for the course? No, par for the course. I mean, they had Dev Holland, right? And yeah, they had Peggy Flanagan and there was land acknowledgments. And, you know, they got a little, little round of applause. I just, again, I think the American populace needs to learn how significant it is to even have Indigenous people in front of you. After what the United States tried to do. I mean, it deserves a lot more than that. Yeah. I mean, just just the facts alone are shocking and inspiring enough. I got to ask you, Simon, about this guy, Tim Sheehee. I really think he deserves to be famous. And if you want proof that First Nations people are are maybe along with Muslims or trans children, the one group, you can beat up all you want. The fact that this guy can make this comment. And he hasn't apologized yet. It takes a lot to shock me, but it shocks me a little bit. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't surprise me at all. I mean, and think of the conversations that happened that aren't around a hot mic and that's, that's even what's more frightening. And additionally, what he said in that was also on the hot mic, he said that you can assess whether or not the natives or the crows like you, um, if they throw a coars can at your head. Um, and that's, that's also in the, in the tape and the articles that you will read. But the sad thing is that MSNBC hasn't picked this up. ABC, CBS, none of them are none of them. I mean, with all the pundits and panels with people of color, you know, they have Latinos and they have African Americans, but had he said something derogatory about African Americans, you know, full fucking well, it would have been on MSNBC. Had he said something horrific about the Hispanic community, Latino community, full fucking well, they would have had pundits right there and there would have been a conversation. But again, I'll have an article coming out in the nation that addresses this specifically, uh, some indigenous youth, um, don't want to vote. And they don't want to participate in the United States at all because they don't feel seen. And this is one of those examples. I mean, the native vote is, is, is considerable in a state like Montana. This guy, it's, it's a, it's a two to three point race. Julie, with an apology, even mean anything. I mean, he, he said what he meant and he meant what he said. This is who he is. Yeah, you know, when a US Senate candidate makes derogatory remarks and racist remarks, but like the ones he did, you know, it doesn't just perpetuate damaging stereotypes, but you know, it, it makes you wonder, um, if this is how he feels, how seriously is he going to take issues that are impacting Native American, right? Yeah. You know, um, so it's very significant. You know, if, if leaders like him hold these prejudice views, you know, um, they're not going to take, you know, issues like, uh, land sovereignty, health care, disparities, you know, everything else in between seriously, if they don't even, you know, consider us, um, to have, or to be, uh, given any kind of respect. And obviously he doesn't respect indigenous people. And, you know, Simon was saying that a lot of young people just don't want to participate. You know, I, I hope that, you know, they get out and they vote, you know, to keep people like him out of, out of office and out of the Senate. And it's just, it's, it's heartbreaking because we hear this all the time, you know, um, and, you know, there's a significant evidence that anti- Native racism remains prevalent and unaddressed in a lot of parts of the country, you know, Native people continue to face stereotypes and, you know, derogatory mascots. People think, oh, it's no big deal about the mascots, but this is why it is a big deal because of, you know, systemic inequalities, which have not received the same widespread public attention or condemnation as racism against, you know, any other group. It's, it's, it's okay to, you know, be racist against Native Americans. Wear the mask. Yeah. And then tonight, right? Tonight, the NFL started and it's the Chiefs versus the Baltimore Ravens. And right at the start of the game, they did that bullshit. Tomahawk chop with that really awful fucking song. And then one of those comedians, I can't remember, came out and started banging on that big massive fake fucking drum. And everybody's Tomahawk chopping. And it's, again, it's, it's ubiquitous. People can play and play Indian. They can fuck with natives. They can say whatever they want about natives and turn around and claim to be natives is, again, it's a numbers thing. We're the smallest racial minority in our own ancestral land. And he's like, fuck it, they're Indians, you know, and that's how people act. They just, when it comes to indigenous people, right, where they're canceled out of the conversation, or they make excuses for it, or they don't say shit, just like this guy, just like meh. I got to confess. I, I'm ignorant. I always associated the Tomahawk chop with the Atlanta Braves. I didn't know the Casey Chiefs fans did it as well. It's one of the creepiest things you can ever witness besides the fact that it's a bunch of white people doing this gesture together in a stadium. I mean, it, it, it also, the gesture itself looks like a Hitler salute. It looks like thousands of white people in a stadium like it's Munich in 1939. But, but beyond the obvious, not just white people, though, not just white. You're right. You're right. People will do it. Latinos will do it. Women will do it. Asians will do it. Veterans will do it. Again, it's just that one last form of racism. Everybody gets behind and excuses. Well, I almost want to give this guy a credit for being openly. I'm sorry, Julie, go ahead. I was just going to say, you know, in light of, you know, his racist comments about Native Americans and drinking, I just wanted to counter that with some facts, you know, a study by a study by the University of Arizona concluded that the rate of heavy and binge drinking among Native Americans and whites are equal. Native Americans abstain from alcohol at higher rates than whites do. So, you know, as we know, alcohol abuse affects all racial and ethnic groups in the U.S., but, you know, these false stereotypes about alcohol use in groups like Native Americans can lead to harmful consequences like discrimination in hiring or for Native Americans, reluctance to seek medical help because of the stereotypes and the shame around, you know, alcohol related issues. And I just wanted to say, you know, something that always, you know, pops into my head. Toni Morrison once said that the very serious function of racism is distraction. It keeps you from doing your work. It keeps you explaining over and over again your reason for being. If somebody says you have no language, you will spend 20 years proving that you do. And so now we have, you know, the University of Arizona spending money in time and energy trying to prove that Native Americans aren't drunks, right? That's distraction. It's the whole function of racism is distraction. How better could that money have been spent? I have to agree. And again, you know, we always hear this stereotype being laid on Native Americans. During the colonial days, the greatest drug problem in America was the same as today. And it was alcohol, was never weed. It was never cocaine. Alcohol has always been the number one drug problem in this country. And you're right, that's Caucasians making it the number one problem in this country. But I do think it's even a more wicked distraction because we'll talk about this guy saying a slur. But in reality, I'm thinking about Montana and I'm thinking about protected lands. And let me just talk on your code about this, both of you. You know, Donald Trump pushed drilling on protected lands. He shrunk Bears, years National Monument by what 85% fought for Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipeline, this guy, she is saying that he wants government lands turned over to Montana. I don't know what that means other than turnover government lands to rich billionaires who live in Montana. And somehow I just can't help but think that will apply to Native lands too. Sure. I mean, again, we're separate sovereign nations. But the land that we're on, it technically belongs to the United States, right? And that's why with Indian law, we're considered wards of the state. And in Indian law, they refer to us as wards of the state because they justify land theft by saying that they are the parents and we are children and children cannot own land. So even though when we say you're on all, all of this is stolen land and you come to a reservation and you've technically left the United States, they still have it in trust. So if you want to build a house, you want to fix your roof, you still have to go through the feds. Right. Jesus. We are at 866-997-4748, by the way. If you'd like to join the conversation with Simon and Julie, 866-997-Grit. Julie, do you have any more thoughts on Tim Sheehee? I just want this guy to become so famous. But the greatest sign of the racism is that he can say something this nakedly overtly racist and the mainstream media barely touches it. That to me is what institutionalized racism is all about. The outrage is not there. Simon's right of it. He said something against African Americans, we'd all be talking about it. You know, I just want to quote the part of the letter that, you know, went to the campaign asking him to apologize. And it says, "You ask for our votes and then you go to your fundraiser ironically with alcohol flowing and laughter our expense behind closed doors and you insult us with a stereotype that only seeks to severely diminish and dishonor our people. The Crow people are not your punchline. Native Americans are not your punchline." And he is not apologized. He has not even addressed it. And nobody cares. That's the sad part. They're busy watching the chief's game. Yeah, right? Jesus. We are at 866-997-4748. I have to ask about another unpleasant story that just came out in the news. This one got a little bit more attention, but still nowhere near enough. And once again, guys, what is going on in Oklahoma? What is happening in Oklahoma? Julie, can you tell us about what went down at the Frontier Public School in Red Rock, Oklahoma? Yeah, so a mother is demanding answers after her nonverbal autistic son, whose Native American came home from school with his haircut without her consent. And as we've said before on this show, for Native communities and Native Americans, hair is sacred. It's deeply significant. Our spirituality is tied up in our hair, you know, our strength. And for this boy, he had long, long braid and as tied to his heritage. And having it cut without permission is just another example of careless disregard or something worse. You know, I'm not sure, you know, exactly what happened. And the school claims that the boy cut his own hair. But his mother, yeah, doesn't believe that. She claims that her son was always afraid to cut his hair. And so again, her son is nonverbal requires. Here's the thing. He requires constant supervision at school. Exactly. So even, yeah, so, you know, the fact that this happened under the school's watch raises even more serious concerns about the level of care and support. You know, schools are supposed to be places of learning and inclusion and respect, not places where children's identities are erased. Also, just the lack of regard, the school didn't even call the mother to explain anything. It's just. Oh my God. Yeah. So just so I understand the school's official take is, well, your seven-year-old autistic nonverbal child was unsupervised and got access to sharp scissors and cut his own hair off. And no faculty noticed or intervened. And we decided to not call you because we didn't care. And we just sent him home like that. Like the disrespect in their lie is almost as bad as what they did to the kid. Oh, yeah. And that's a funny part. What I liked about her response is like her response. She was like, OK, I'll play with you. You want to fuck with me? I'll play with you. Let's let's assume that maybe he cut his own hair. I know my son, he wouldn't cut his hair. And then she was like, but aren't you supposed to be fucking watching him? Didn't you just admit fault? Don't didn't you just admit your dysfunction and that you're not paying attention to my autistic child nonverbal autistic child? And so there that again, this is a very common response. They're like, well, we had our own internal investigation and like, go fuck yourself. Nobody trusts as an internal investigation, regardless where it's at. And so they're saying, no, no, no evidence. Nothing. He just cut his hair. He cut his own hair. And so I love how she just threw it back in their face and said, you're just not doing your fucking job. I know my son wouldn't cut his hair and you're not doing your fucking job. I mean, literally, literally, their official story from their investigation is we didn't supervise your autistic seven year old when he picked up scissors and cut all his hair off. Like that's, that's their excuse. Still blaming the child while taking no blame, ostensibly. No, she has started. Go ahead, Julie, please. I was going to say, like, I hope that other people out there listening can can start to feel our frustration with this systemic racism and what's going on in society where this is why we feel so frustrated and this is why we feel so invisible and dismissed and devalued. You know, these things happen all the time, you know, from the top to the very bottom. It's constantly happening. And so it's really hard to feel like, you know, we matter or we count or that people see us. And that's sort of what I hope that listeners sort of are picking up on just listening to some of these stories. Let me, let me go to the listeners on this one. Rodney is calling us from the state of Oklahoma. Online eight Rodney. Good evening and welcome. You're on Sirius XM with Simon Moyes, Smith and Julie Frenchlla. Hello. Well, hello and thanks for having me. Well, the story in the history of Oklahoma is the history of America. After the Trail of Tears through treaty, Oklahoma was promised to the Native Americans in various tribes. And one day was going to be its own state. Well, we couldn't have that, obviously. So they did what was called allotment where basically the Native American version of 40 acres in a mule. And then they came up with the DAW rolls and, you know, and you can look at what they did with the Osage that was and now when there was a Supreme Court decision called McGurt, which basically gave tribal courts more authority over Native Americans. Oh boy, the state has gone crazy. And our governor is even a Native American or part named American and he says he is. Yeah, well, he's a lot about the governor. Right. And yes, we do have casinos in Oklahoma. Thank God there was some type of economic development. And I hate that it's casinos, but you got to take what you can take. There was also the tribes got together back in the day and tried to get the state of Sequoia, which was part of Oklahoma that was left after the land runs. Well, that put statehood very fast. And it's interesting to note too, when Oklahoma became a state, they had a white person dressed up like an Indian to give the peace pipe to the powers to be at the time. I don't know who to get. Oh, geez. And not one Native American was at the ceremony, not one. And the first people legislation that was ever passed in Oklahoma, Senate Bill one, was to establish Jim Crow. So, you know, there's a if you look at the history of Oklahoma, it basically is the history of America about how the tribes got here. Well, I think that needs to be I mean, everything's in the language. Right. And so yeah, the Trail of Tears, they weren't, they weren't like saying, okay, we're going to load you all in comfortably to have a pillow here. Don't worry. Hey, would you like a sandwich? No, they marched thousands of indigenous people to what is Oklahoma territory. And that's why it was in a state. And then for the longest time, you can even this, you can Google today and you will see old maps of the United States and Oklahoma is blotted out. Well, that was Indian territory. It wasn't something they promised Indians who the fuck are they to promise us our land? Who are they to say you can have that? We came from Europe. So it was a place they put indigenous people because of quote unquote the Indian problem. How the fuck do we get these Indians all rallied into one position so we can manage them? And again, like you mentioned the Dawes and you, you know, we're going to talk about enrollment. I'm sure before the end of this year, because it's so significant in the autumn, when people do come out and say nasty things about indigenous people. And we have to talk about enrollment. We have to talk about Oklahoma, the trail of tears, the difference between Indian removal and Indian relocation. So Oklahoma was a place that they put indigenous people, wasn't promised. It was slight round them up and put them there. Julie, do you want to add to this? No, I mean, Simon's right. You know, we have, you know, in Oklahoma, especially, you know, that was a state that does represent, you know, sort of the larger picture of America and the history. And, you know, so if you want an understanding, you know, I, I recommend, you know, doing some research on sort of the history there and trail of tears and all of those things. You know, it's so important for people to have an understanding of, you know, what the history of this land is. And a lot of people don't know, you know, they're sort of fed, you know, in history courses or in sociology classes, you know, this sort of whitewashed version of, you know, the history of the United States. So like you say, Julie, by design, by design. Yeah. Rodney, thank you for the call, man. I really appreciate it. But I got, I got to move on to Elon Musk. You know, I'm never shocked when Elon Musk does something racist. I'm never shocked when someone who was raised an incredible apartheid privilege does something racist and doesn't have the taste or grace to recognize they're doing it. But I don't even know how to set this up. John Stossel, who's never been upset by racism that I've witnessed. There's this interview that Elon Musk shared on his Twitter to his 86 million bots that follow him. All about how Wilfred Riley wrote a book, Lies My Liberal Teacher Taught Me, Where They Really Want You To Know. Essentially, the message they're conveying is the ethnic cleansing and mass extermination of Native peoples wasn't really a bad thing because they were doing it to each other centuries before we arrived. Julie, am I getting this vulgar bullshit, right? This is the argument? Yeah, you know, listening to John Stossel interview this author, the book is basically a rebuttal of the other book called Lies My Teacher Taught Me, or Lies My Teacher Taught Me. So his book is Lies My Liberal Teacher Taught Me, Teacher Taught Me. And it echoes how marginalized communities are often criticized to justify violence and oppression, right? So, you know, when, for example, when a black kid is killed by a cop, the media and the public are quick to highlight the kids' flaws, painting them as deserving of their fate, right? So similarly, you know, what this interview was, it was, you know, with Indigenous peoples, there's this attempt to highlight past wrongs within Native communities, as if intertribal conflicts can somehow justify the brutality of colonization. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, aside. But they do it, they do it with slavery. They do it with slavery, they do it with slavery, Julie. Oh, the Africans were enslaving each other. So really, we were just part of a much bigger scheme and white people have nothing to apologize for. Right, wait, it's bullshit. You know, just like focusing on the bad deeds of, you know, George Floyd, for example, a victim of police brutality doesn't, you know, justify his death, pointing to conflicts among Indigenous nations. Without context, there's nothing to justify or excuse colonial violence, centuries of forced removal, land theft, white supremacy, systemic erasure. You know, the arguments in that video that Elon Musk posted is what so many online trolls say to Native people, well, you were warring with each other before we got here, except war was often ceremonial. And it was not based on one nation believing it was superior to another nation. The purpose wasn't to wipe each other out, you know, so that there's a difference. And also, and if I may, too, I mean, speaking as the token gringo here, I'm a little bit astonished that how beliedly they just group all Natives together. Oh, the Aztecs and the Inuit, they're all the same Aztecs, Cherokee Inuit, just one in the same. They did one big, one big morass of Indigenous life. Simon, please tell me your thoughts on Musk. You know, not only Musk, it's the Jackass who wrote the book, you know, lies my liberal teacher told me it's lazy academia. Yeah. Compared to to conflate the Aztecs with the Yupik and Inuit back of Alaska. And because they've never, it's so different piece. So there's so different from language and culture and customs, etc. And then additionally, going along with what Julie said, it's like, okay, so we battled with one another for one reason or another. It could have been resources. That was one thing Kevin Costner did get right with dances with wolves. He did have a moment in the film where he explained that they weren't doing this for capitalism. They weren't doing this to convert one another. This was just for resources to see their people through the winter. And that was a very common thing with Indigenous people. That doesn't mean we don't have beefs, ancient beefs, even today. You can go to a powwow and one tribe won't sit next to another one for something that happened two thousand, three thousand years ago. But the Lakota weren't trying to convert the fucking Cherokee into Lakota. The Navajo weren't trying to convert the Apache or the Tulalip weren't trying to convert the Yupix. Again, it's different when white people came here. They wanted everything. And again, that's why in our language, a Lakota language, Washi-chu means the greedy people. Doesn't mean you have pink skin. Doesn't mean you have blonde hair and blue eyes. We were describing you and nothing was ever enough. But for Indigenous people, and again, we have to understand Lakota is an area where the language is spoken. This is Lakota territory. This is Dene. Dene is spoken here. And those were the boundaries based on the language. And so he's trying to paint all Indigenous people as one, that every bad deed or everything that they could paint negative on Indigenous people is what quote unquote Native America is. So this, it's just lazy academia for him to get raw ros from the conservative movement and sell books. On the part of Musk, it's lazy racism. Elon Musk is the only Bond villain whose master plan is to somehow be popular like Joe Rogan is. That's usually behind most of his public antics. And we've seen Musk do this time and time again. Let's just be lazy and just racist enough to make a certain kind of dude, bro, think I'm their rock star. I mean, he does see jobs that made us. Oh, yeah. Oh, all the time. Yeah. And again, this is all about the same thing they do with the slave trade. Hey, man, they were doing it to each other. So it doesn't really matter the sins that this kind of all the treaties that we that we broke and putting these people into residential schools and raping their women. And it doesn't matter because they were doing basically the same thing to each other. Jesus. Yeah. No, they committed to genocide. We didn't. We fought one another. But again, also, they're the ones that did the whole fucking like the idea that we talked to animals. And I told you, I just I can't even get my dog to sit. They're the ones that painted all this crazy imagery of us talking to trees, etc. And we're like, yeah, it's it's Mother Earth. We show respect to her. You're the ones you're. I mean, they hippies in the 60s blame them. At the end of the day, we weren't going around saying that we had we were talking to trees. We're just saying that we listened to Mother Earth. But this is how they do it, right? I've learned this from you. This is how they justify stealing the land because you folks were either too violent or too quaint to properly be stewards of the land you were living on for thousands of years. I mean, all of this stuff that Musk is doing, all of the stuff that this jackass author is doing, it's all about justifying the crimes of dead white guys. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, think of up up until the 60s. We were demonized. Indigenous people were savages, you know, and that's what they perpetuated. And then here come the 60s and the hippies. And then in the 90s, here comes Kevin Costner. And all of a sudden, it's our fault that we are singing or painting what the colors of the wind. That's fucking Disney. That's you guys. That's not us. We never said we didn't battle. We never said we didn't do those things. You guys did. You guys are saying we're spirit animals. There's no fucking thing as a spirit animal. But Simon, let me just ask him. And Julie, like, there's never, there's no evidence of any mass warfare by Indigenous people in North America, right? I mean, not like we saw in Europe or Asia. I mean, you know, yes, they were battles, but they were battles. They weren't massive wars with armies slaughtering thousands, like the Europeans perfected before they ever came over here. Julie. And also, you know, I think Simon had mentioned this before. If you go into battle and you kill someone, you then become responsible for that person you've killed family, their children, their wife. So, you know, there was a sense of responsibility in that. It wasn't just, you know, savage slaughter, which is what, you know, I think people are trying to say what was going on. So, you know, no. I mean, and also, if you recall, there was something called the Five Civilized Tribes. And if you're not familiar with the Five Civilized Tribes, they were called civilized by European settlers in the 19th century, because they had adopted many aspects of European American culture, including Christianity and slavery. So, the term was meant to contrast these tribes with other Indigenous groups who were seen as less assimilated into European cultural norms. So, the label civilized reflects, you know, this Eurocentric standard of civilization and suggesting that other Indigenous groups were somehow uncivilized, right? That's it. So, you've got a much more humane take than me. I just call it the reassure the racist industrial complex. Guys, thank you so much. I have tweeted out the petition about the child whose hair was cut at the school. But Simon, how can our listeners follow you and keep up with your work? Yeah, on Instagram, it's Simon said to take a pic or on @SimonMoyaSmith. And we're going to have an announcement from you soon about a thing, right? Oh, yeah, in a little bit, of course. Okay, I can't say what the thing is, but I'm very excited about this particular thing. Julie, how do our listeners follow you? You can follow me @Julie Frenchlla on all social media. Thank you both so much. It's a pleasure. I missed you guys. We got to take a very quick break. We'll be back in just a moment with your calls at 866-997-Grit. Don't go away. Achieving a gorgeous grin from home isn't a total mystery with bike clear aligners. Just don't be surprised if all of your sleuthing friends start asking. What's your secret? Begin by ordering your at-home impression kit today for only $14.95. Bike clear aligners are doctor-directed and delivered to your door. Treatment costs thousands less than braces. Plus, they offer flexible financing, except eligible insurance. And you can pay with your HSA FSA. Get 80% off your impression kit when you use code WUNDERY at bite.com. That's BYTE.com. Start your confidence journey today with Bite. 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And he has walked the line of really smart commentary with really irreverent comedy in ways that I wish I could steal and exploit. He wrote a satirical obituary for Facts in 2012 that was named one of Time Magazine's top 10 opinion pieces of the year. Alex Jones once called him a coward, which is like James Brown calling you Black. And his new piece in USA Today, I highly recommend, JD Vance takes worst VP pick ever, crown from Sarah Palin, and gets less likable every day. Rex Upkey, welcome to SiriusXM. Thank you so much. It's an honor to be here. So you're calling it. You're saying that as of September, JD Vance, who I call baby man to Trump's man, baby, that he is officially the worst vice presidential candidate pick. In spite of his clearly advanced skills with eyeliner pen, in all of US history, really. Yeah, that's I'm going with it. I've decided that's it. He's done it. He's shown me enough. Let's put it that way. Somewhere between Sarah Palin and Andrew Johnson, there have been some real contenders. I know you've called on Sarah Palin to turn in her crown. Yeah, I think I remember Palin well. I covered a lot of that nonsense. And that seemed to set in. I think that sort of she crawled so Donald Trump could walk and that kind of thing. But Vance is just, he's on a whole other level. I mean, every day we find out something else that he said, you know, not a long time, but not when he was a kid, but like two years ago, because apparently all he did was podcasts for a while. And, you know, said, you know, complained about women getting the right to vote or, I don't know, say name yours, name your misogynist. Well, let's talk about a few of them because, you know, my favorite cinematic film genre has become, or at least my favorite words to search on the internet, are previous podcast appearances and JD Vance. And as you write with a seemingly endless stream of previous podcast appearances, where he speaks as women as faceless baby pods and with ongoing public appearances that show him struggling with the basics of human interaction, Vance has proved himself almost staggeringly unlikable. He's the guy nobody wants to get stuck next to with the office party or at the bar or in the grocery store line, or anywhere, really. I find it a bit stunning, Rex, that this guy was able to be so sycophantic to Donald Trump that he could beat out all the other sycophants, because that seems to be the only criteria Trump was looking for, not unifying a ticket, not bringing in other voters who don't like him already. And yet he seems to not be comfortable in his human suit every time he goes in public. Yeah, not at all. In terms of just being like a retail politician, he's horrendous, he's so bad. He does not seem, as I said, likable, but he also just doesn't seem like he fits in with the rest of us human beings here on Earth. I mean, the scene of him at the donut shop trying to engage, trying to engage with people was just amazing. And even just his stilted delivery, and he tries to crack sort of joke-ish things here and on the stump. And my God, he's like the Jeb Bush, please clap moment, if it was turned into a human being. He's the essence of that moment. And it just gets worse. I mean, I don't. Every time, yeah. You know, you would think there's somebody there who's saying, hey, okay, look, we got to work on some of this. And maybe let's spend a day practicing talking to people. But that, no, it just every time, it gets worse. And then there's another previous comment. And then he tried. And of course, they're in Magaland, they're incapable of ever apologizing or backtracking on anything. So all of the crap that he said has said he has to stand by. And it's just, it's been amazing to watch. But let's be honest, Magaland hasn't exactly taken him to their bosom, have they? No, I'm 100% convinced that Trump is absolutely disgusted with him. And I still think that it was a kind of mosque and maybe Don Jr. that that pushed him to take Vance. I don't, you know, he had these other perfectly good toties that he could have grabbed onto. And instead he went with this guy who I just, you know, he's tripping over himself so much that I have to believe because Trump values performance. And I mean, you know, he likes a lickspiddle, but he also likes someone who is performing well. You know, he always picks his lawyers off TV, how well they do on TV. So seeing Vance stumble like this and just be a complete boob has to drive him nuts, I imagine. I know. And I think that I think that it was a tech bro thing. I mean, he seems like, he seems like Trump found him during a colonoscopy, to be honest with you. But like, I think it's a combination of the tech bro dynamic and all the podcasting. And then just the fact that he was rapidly sycophantic. Look, I mean, you're smarter than me. Nikki Haley would have been the wisest possible choice. She would have unified the Republican ticket. A third of the primary voters that were staying away from Trump would probably a lot of them would come in. Doug Bergum, he wouldn't help get any new votes, but Doug Bergum would make Donald Trump look younger and sexier. JD Vance, I keep it's like watching your weird neighbor's pet die every time I see him in public. Like, and I feel I want to have empathy. I want to have sympathy for him. But as you point out, I would usually feel empathy for a person so flabbergastingly awkward. But there's an empathy eviscerating meanness at the core of Vance's character. So here we are. I want to play a quick clip. This is just earlier today. This is JD Vance responding to the deadly shooting in Georgia. And again, he's being paid by the same billionaire tech fascist who helped Donald Trump become elected. Listen to JD Vance offering comfort to the families. Now look, the Kamala Harris answer to this is to take law-abiding American citizens guns away from them. That is what Kamala Harris wants to do. He says, look, I don't like this. I don't like to admit this. I don't like that this is a fact of life. But if you're, if you are a psycho and you want to make headlines, you realize that our schools are soft targets. And we have got a bolster security in our schools so that a person who walks through the front door. We've got a bolster security so that if a psycho wants to walk through the front door and kill a bunch of children, they're not able to. And again, as a parent, do I want my kids school to have additional security? No, of course I don't. I don't want my kids to go to school in a place where they feel like you've got to have additional security. But that is increasingly the reality that we live in. Now look, okay, so we heard that it's a fact of life, the reality we live in. Nothing, nothing about preventing future gun massacres, Rex. Yeah, no, it seems like they're just going back to doors. You know, we need better doors or we need, you know, armed guards or whatever. It's just, I want a drink. I mean, I just, and you know, they always jump on liberals for, you know, commenting on shootings and saying, oh, it's too soon. It's too soon. Well, you know, we're barely passed this horrific tragedy. And Vance is like, man, school shootings, what are you going to do? You know, I mean, it's just ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous. And it's sorry. Though, how's his polling? It's just, well, yeah, he's not well liked, I wouldn't say. You know, he's done, people even numbers, radical leftist numbers. Yeah, no, he's, he's in the maybe mid 30s approval rating last night was checking and he's being actually USA today, just had a poll come out. I believe this week, maybe even yesterday and found him getting clobbered, statistically speaking by Tim Walz, including like among women, among independents. I mean, Walz was in the high 40s, I believe, and and Vance is in the, you know, mid midling 30s, which even that, frankly, when I see that guy and I'm like, who are these 30? What's the one third of likely voters that look at this guy? I'm like, oh, yeah, I like the cut of his ship. You know, he's a night. He seems like a nice fella. So, so, so I guess what we talk about being a bad VP nominee, the criteria is that they hurt the ticket, right? We're not talking about harm. I mean, Andrew Johnson didn't hurt Lincoln. Dick Cheney was certainly evil. He didn't hurt George W. Bush. We're talking about people. Even Dan Quail, Dan Quail didn't stop President Bush, senior from being elected. We're talking about people who are a drag on the ticket and make the, make the nominee wish they could drive out to the woods and leave them somewhere without a car back home. So Sarah Palin's held the crown for you, huh? She's the worst nominee, you think? Yeah, she was horrendous. I mean, especially the sort of contrast between her and McCain, McCain being kind of like, what I almost see as like one of the last, you know, decent, conservative figures, you know, someone that people like me can at least, you know, engage with and respect. You're right. And, and, you know, but I feel comfortable saying that John McCain was a decent man, a good, decent man, and seeing him paired with Palin, who was like a raving lunatic, was just bizarre. And, and it did have it. I believe there was a, there was a study that found she managed to probably pull about like two percent, you know, of the vote away from him, which is small, but when, you know, she pulled about two percent. But Tina Fey pulled about 19 percent of the battle at the same time. Oh, yeah, exactly. And thank God for Tina Fey. And then thank God for Sailor Palin for giving us Tina Fey playing Sarah Palin. I mean, that was a blessing, I guess. But, you know, you are nonpartisan here, though, you're nonpartisan, Rex, because you say running neck and neck with Palin, the oof, that was a bad VP pick. And there's going to be brothers and sisters listening who don't like this now. But you say a truly wonderful man. And every time I ask somebody who was Hillary Clinton's vice president, you know, half the time people don't remember that are Virginia Senator Tim Kane. Right. And no disrespect to Senator Kane, I know knock on him per se. But as far as a strong VP pick, I don't think very many people would argue that he really, it was a home run. He, he seemed like, you know, Hillary and her campaign playing it kind of safe. And he also didn't bring a great deal to the ticket in terms of, you know, just pulling in voters, unexpected voters or, you know, and anything like that. He was just kind of in line behind Clinton. So yeah, I think he was a bad VP pick. And, you know, I don't, I mean, he intellectually and as a politician, he's a million times better than Sarah. Wonderful man. Yeah. But, but he didn't, yeah, but he didn't help that ticket at all. Let me ask you then, because I always thought, you know, I, I, I remembered very well. I remember being on MSNBC and saying that she should pick Bernie Sanders, because he would bring enthusiasm and a lot of votes to her and people looked at me like I was crazy. But I think she picked Tim Kane because she wanted to have the anti-Trump. Look, folks, here's an older white guy who's a good dad. He's a good man. He's, he's not like Donald Trump. I've got an older white guy who's a mensch and it didn't work. But it seems like that was the formula for Tim Walz and it is working. Would you agree? I would. Yeah. And, and I think that, um, I mean, there are some differences here. Obviously you have two female candidates who are looking, you know, to balance the ticket in terms of gender. But I think that, um, and, you know, to, Walz is, he's interesting. Like, it's a little bit hard for me to exactly nail the sort of magic sauce that he's, he's provided, I mean, I think you're right. I think that there was definitely a, uh, I don't know if you call it image or, you know, they were looking for a balance on the ticket in terms of gender and obviously race as well. Um, they needed a white guy, which I think has been pretty widely, uh, uh, you know, accepted. Um, but boy, I mean, he's, and especially when you saw some of the other potential people like Mark Kelly, uh, at the Democratic National Convention, I think Mark Kelly's great. I do. But boy, is he not Tim Walz in terms of what the ticket, what that ticket needed right now. And, and Walz has just electrified things, which more so than you, I think, would expect it to be picked to do. Um, he's, he's, uh, he's hilarious. And also, and you, and you said this a few moments ago, you used the weird word, uh, towards JD Vance. And, and that may go down as one of the most, maybe accidentally brilliant things, uh, a VP pick has ever done because what Walz use of that word has flummoxed the right so badly. And it is also, I think there's so many of us who for so long have looked at Trump and all of these weirdos. Well, there you go. See, I did it. All of these people in the MAGA circles and thought, man, they're so freaking weird. What the hell? And, and we haven't, but that word just wasn't like put out there for everybody to grab. We're all looking for euphemisms for fascist. We're looking for euphemisms for authoritarian evil right wing. And no, just, just disarm, just weird. Just, just, just dismissive, not even anger. Just dismissal. Um, I got to ask you the million dollar question, Mr. Hopkins. And it's so nice to have you here. Uh, you've, you've talked about Vance's unique skill of sounding smug, sexist, faux intellectual, lonely, tragic, and dumb all at once. My God, that's a beautiful sentence. How convinced are you that Donald Trump is having buyer's remorse? It seems like everywhere I turn, uh, dumb racist white guys are saying, what a great VP pick RFK Jr would be. And I swear to God, I keep thinking they're going to announce their wedding any time now. Trump and Bobby Jr. Um, do you really think Donald Trump is having this kind of serious buyer's remorse? And why would he, why would he pick this guy, please? Yeah, no, I absolutely think he is. And he'll never say it because he never admits anything that he did wrong or miscalculated or whatever. But, uh, although if he loses, then he'll blame Vance, I'm sure. But, uh, yeah, I think, uh, I think they were so confident. Coming out of the, or excuse me, prior to the RNC, you know, the Biden's old thing was working. The polling was looking pretty good. I think they really got ahead of themselves. And I think that it was this combination of like, Elon Musk and, and I think Trump saw the dollar signs around Elon Musk a little bit. So it listened to him more. And then his knuckleheads on Don Jr. In his ear chirping away because he obviously loved JD Vance and that, like you said that. Podcast, podcast, uh, industrial complex, yes. Right, right. Exactly. The whole tech bro thing. And so I think Trump was just like, okay, yeah, sure. You know, maybe it'll get me some money from Musk and, and, you know, this guy is a real kiss ass and, and, and, you know, he, I've, I've, he called me Hitler before and now I've, I've, you know, I've bested him and brought him to his knees. So why not, uh, and I think the hazing, I'm not after calling him Hitler. Imagine the stuff this man did behind closed doors. Imagine how clean, how clean he licks Trump's boots to get this job. Makes you shudder. One final question, Mr. Hucky, when this thing's all said and done, and next year we're watching Donald Trump fight for his life in three different criminal trials, is JD Vance going to be the fall guy? I don't think JD realizes it yet, but I think he's going to walk away taking all the, not in the world, but in Magaland, they're, they're going to position him as being the reason Trump didn't win. Absolutely. Absolutely. And, and frankly, he's having the way for that with his absolutely bizarre world knuckle headed nonsense that he just keeps spouting. And, and frankly, in terms of the shooting thing, absolutely abhorrent nonsense. I mean, he's, he's saying so many awful dumb things and having so many awful dumb things dredged up that it's going to be like shooting fish in a barrel to blame him. Let's be like, Oh yeah, that, that idiot did this and this and this and this and that ruined me and oh dear and blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Now he's, he's going to absolutely be the, the Patsy here now. Man. Well, thank, thank God Donald Trump picked this guy and not someone effective. I'm enjoying it. And I, I, I kind of feel like Joe Biden waited to make his announcement until after Donald Trump announced his VP Joe Biden. I mean, the Sunday after the RNC, we must remember this guy might be Joe Biden's last gift to us. Yeah, I think that's an excellent point. Yeah, you, you makes you really wonder if there, if this wasn't somehow, you know, they weren't betting that this might unfold this way. Mr. Upkey. I love reading your stuff in USA Today. What is the best way for our listeners, our whole league alumni of the night to follow you and keep up with your work? Well, you can find me at the USA Today website, USA Today.com. I'm in the opinion section. So of course, I don't speak for the rest of the paper just for myself, but, and you can find me on what I still call Twitter, which I thank you. Grudgingly, Ruby grudgingly still use somewhat because, I don't know, I'm trapped in hell. So what can I do? Okay, at least you dead name it. At least you dead name it. Go ahead. Yes, absolutely. It's at Rex Upkey, just REX, H-U-P-P-K-E, common spelling. So yeah, otherwise, you know, I'm out there in Google stuff, whatever. Well, thank you so much for joining us. Hope we can get you back here with us in the wee hour some night. I would love it. And I love your work. And it's really nice to be here with you. It's an honor to have you with us. Please come back again very soon. We're going to get back to your calls now at 866-997-4748. 866-997-Grit. Yasha is on line five. Yasha, thank you so much for your patience on hold and welcome. You're on SiriusXM. Hi, I jumped. Hi, how are you? How great are you? I'm better now. It's been a while, so um. Tell me. So many things for the Indigenous peoples thing. I keep trying to clue like the other fellow who was such a wonderful caller. Try to call in to speak with them at that segment. I'd like to hear something about Leonard Peltier. Oh, yes. Simon and Julie talk about Leonard all the time. They do talk about him a lot. We've talked about him a lot on this show. I don't think he's ever going to get paroled. And I don't think he's ever going to get pardoned. I'd love to see Joe Biden do it on the way out, but I don't see him doing it. Oh, man. Well, I think they're... Yeah, okay. Well, I'd like to see some kind of mass action. Mass action taken. Letters, right. You know, whatever phone calls to free Leonard Peltier. He too. Yeah. An innocent, revered, uh, revered, I'm sorry, revered elder. Anyway, that's aside. And I would, um, so anyway, I'll try to get together with everybody on that segment to the other things. Okay. If our American Holocaust, we're going around in fat cloth and ashes over the, um, Israeli murder of the Palestinian people. We used to have a humongously huge country, um, but anyway, um, but we don't acknowledge our own, um, personal American genocide. Three to four, four million people. That's right. Well, I'd like you to acknowledge it. He was genocide all together. But then, hey, on a lighter note, you are about to go to my hometown. And well, not really my hometown, but kind of basically my hometown. And we're a batch of us that early on, you know, they say, keep Portland weird. Well, you know, it, it took some people to make that happen. So it was artists and writers and actors and all of that. So that was my crowd. I'm so excited to go to go. Yes. I love Portland. I haven't been there in years. I haven't been back to your town in many years. I'm so thrilled to be going. Oh, when was the last time you were there? Because I was one of the people that started the MS Metropolitan Learning Center, that alternative school, that huge alternative school. They're still awaiting us to get in there. The Portland Music Association, we talked about Clerkin to running from mayor. And then we felt bad because he had like a $77,000 campaign debt. So we decided what just put on the mayor's ball. So we put on that huge concert. There were 77 bands. Wow. Damn, Josh. Oh, it was Matthew's huge. Before I just wanted your voice, now I want your life. But anyway, so in the Schnitz, and I was made for a while to Dutch painter, a pretty well-known painter. He was actually born in Holland, but there used to be some graphics, some painting, paintings in the Schnitz. And one of them is actually a painting of me. Oh, no way. Do you know where it's hung or what it's called? I'll look for it. It's on the wall, the mural. OK. I'll go look for it. It's a woman's face, and it's high up, and it's got to be on the second floor. I promise I'll look for it. What's the name of the painting, Yasha? I got to run to tell me the name of the painting. I'm so curious, and we were right, that was used to be the call of the Paramount. Oh, my gosh. My own favorites. I got to stand on stage for crafting. The Marx Brothers played at the theater. The Marx Brothers and Louis Armstrong and Sam Cooke played at the theater. Well, you should have seen the back of the screen. I know. And all these lines will play a sign to back of that screen. I'll try to see what I can see when I'm there this weekend, Yasha. I don't think it's still there, but anyway. Well, I'll see what I can see, and I thank you so much for calling. It's a pleasure to hear your beautiful voice, and thank you so much, Yasha. Have a great evening. Year 866. Thank you, 997-4748. I do want to get to everybody before we hit the end of the show. Tyler in Wisconsin on line 7. Thank you so much for waiting. You're on SiriusXM. Hi, Tyler. Hi, I just wanted to point out after Jade advanced said that stupid thing about grandparents helping out. Yeah, great. I want to point out that seniors are already being taken advantage of massively by our school systems because we are the substitute teachers for all our school systems, and we get a crap. And so, we're already helping out with our children for damn near free. That's a great point. Great point. And the entire system would collapse without us. That's right. That's right. But again, both Donald Trump and, and, uh, Jade advanced, we're asked the same exact question. How are you going to make childcare more affordable? And neither one of them could do it. Trump was going to tear up us all. Yeah, he's going to he's going to he's going to tax foreign governments. But that's really attacks on American people. And that's how it's going to be cheaper to have chat. They can't even do it. And they're allowed to get away with this because we know right-wing media won't care. We know the right-wing people won't care. But mainstream media lets them get away with all these lies. I don't know why they press never says anything. They never challenge these guys at all. No, it's true. It's true. And I'm I want to say I'm numb to it, but I still get angry over it. I still do. But again, let's take some solace Tyler. They're going to lose and Jadey Vance will be a lobbyist within five years. Thank you so much for calling 866-997-4748. Thank you. Michael in California on line four. Thank you for waiting on hold so long. You're on SiriusXM. Hello. Hey, John, how are you doing? I'm great. How are you? Hey, I'm hanging on with the rope they give me, man. Listen, there's two things. One thing. You can't yell fire, rat, or bomb because it might inside of right. Yeah. But yet we let someone who has, particularly, but notoriously consistently, maliciously, inside it right. And we still allow him the so-called freedom of speech. I don't understand why that's not prohibited. Well, because he still has a right to freedom of speech. He still has a right to freedom of speech. It's just the corporate media does not interested in balancing out his lies with truth. They're just not. They're still trying to get ratings out of him. Yeah, but it's like the thing about the democracy. It's ridiculous how we allow someone to use the very democracy they're trying to destroy to destroy democracy. So how are we letting freedom of speech? Freedom of speech never meant to be something that was destructive to the very area or country it was going to be used in. And I just find that just so hypocritical. Number one, number two, the other thing about- Well, I mean, again, we're talking about two different things. There's freedom of speech and there's goddamn lies. Okay. And so we can say that you have a right, you have a right under freedom of speech to perpetrate goddamn lies. But it's incumbent on the rest of us to call out these goddamn lies and make our conservative friends acknowledge that they're goddamn lies. Just like Barack Obama wasn't really born here. I could go on all day with this stuff, but you're exactly right. Right. The other thing is you can't stockpile liquor unless you're going to, you know, have a club or some type of business that's going to sell liquor. For that being said, it's amazing how the same audiologists not apply to guns. And I know why. The gun thing, the gun issue is so big because of two things. Two term I think. Number one, it is not all. I'm going to preface this by saying white racist, white racist, insecure men. That's their manhood. That's their big dick. That's what makes them feel adequate. Number two, the thing you said last night, with the three preachers that come on. Yes. Okay. We were talking about how the fact that Trump can have been hit by that AR-16 because it did nothing to his ear. And people say, well, we're using it at hunting. Okay. And we all say initially that's ridiculous because it would tear up every cock and it would hit. But we need to, we need to, here it is. We need to understand and discern what they are hunting. And what they are hunting is tied into what I said about the stockpiling of weapons. What they are hunting. That's why you hear these people talking about food rations and all kinds of things. It's a saying yourself, which you've begun down under some burrow holes to withstand some type of war that's going to be going on. Joe, they are hunting black people. They're hunting people other. They are using it for hunting. We look at hunting for the conventional traditional definition of hunting. It's animals or, you know, putting on their luck. They are actually hunting people. And they are getting ready for the race war. It's being funded by the NRA. And that's why this thing will never go away until we just undiscovered unpack that they have a unbelievable insecurity complex that is funding and fueling all of this shit that they're forcing everyone else to go through because they can't compete. That's why they cheat. They are I can't I have no notes to this sermon. I have no notes for this sermon. We got to hit a break, man. But you're dynamite. I agree with everything you're saying. It's disgusting. And it's up to us to call them out because the government's not going to hold them accountable. The media's not going to hold them accountable. And their own miserable supporters. They're they're they're they're groveling underlings and unmanly supplicants and blindly obedient cult members are not going to call them out. It's up to the rest of us to call them out and to show up in massive numbers to vote. That's it. Thank you so much, man, for calling. We got to go. Thank you, Chris. Thank you, Thea. 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