[MUSIC] >> Good morning, Joe 4759, the fan, Ben and Sam and Keith. So I gave Adam Stanley the o yesterday. >> Well, before we get to golf, can I say something? I have a huge regret, okay? One of my, one of life's greatest regrets. >> Saying yes to waking up at four in the morning. I didn't get a choice, so four times. >> If I said yes, if he was, if he asked me, I would have said, hell no, but I didn't get asked to stop. >> And boy, I'm fighting it, I am fighting it. >> It's your last day, I have to do two more days this week. >> I know, but like, and I just, I don't know, like the six o'clock hour happens. And then they put out a clip on, boy, I have no idea what I said, I'm asleep. Anyways, one of my life's greatest regrets is we all knew how bad the white socks were gonna be this year. It was like well documented. >> No, yes, Sam, I think you're under, you're, you're overstating it. They thought, they were abysmal last year, right? >> No, but everybody said that they were going to be historically bad. >> I don't think that's correct. They thought that they would be bad, nobody anticipated this. >> And I think I'm gonna hop on here for the last month of September. I mean, the last month of the season in September. How have everyone not betting the team they're playing minus a run and a half every single night? If you did that this year and you just accumulate, you'd be a cajillionaire. >> No, I know. Why do I waste my time? >> It's like, it's like, I'm gonna find like a parlay here. It's like, just bet the team that loses every night. It's like, all the juice, who cares about the juice? I just, it's one of my great regrets, like, you know, I could be on a beach in Bahamas right now, not talking to your schlubby butt. >> Yeah. >> You can still, we can still talk. >> I don't have to be on the radio. >> Yeah, it's true. I'm like, boy, this beach is nice. >> I mean, how are they gonna win a game? Let's bring up their schedule here. >> So 120 is the all time record for losses. They're now at 109 with yesterday's nine nothing loss of the world. >> Boy. >> It's so, yeah. >> That Vargas can elision with better candy. That was brutal. >> So, it wasn't better than he good? >> Yeah. >> What happened to him? I mean, he had, he was a slap hitter with no power who, you know, put up decent numbers and lost. >> What isn't he on the loss? >> When they won 2018, was he on that team? >> Yeah, he's been around, well, yeah, he's had some moments, but again, a guy with limited defense. It was a slap hitter, not a bunch of power. So it's the opportunity though, here looking at their schedule. >> Yeah, they got one more against the Orioles, they got three against the Red Sox who are >> Slam. >> Yeah, in the middle of trying to push for the, by the way, the Royals lost again. They've lost time in a row, everybody's coming back to the field. >> Boy, they need a series against the White Sox to fix them. >> Yeah. >> And then they got Cleveland, who again, playoff team? >> Slam. >> These are beaten up on the Mariners who are trying to get in. >> The Mariners are the White Sox now though. >> Holy cow. >> The Mariners are brutal. >> Brutal. >> Brutal. >> And they got the Angels who are pretty rancid. >> That's what I mean. >> Here, they got six games remaining against the Angels. That's their saving grace, but, and I guess you can throw Oakland in there, but Oakland is competent. Like Oakland has pieces. >> Yeah, no, you're right. >> Yeah, no, you're right. >> Oakland hits home runs. >> Oakland has an incredible closure at the back end of that bullpen and Mason Miller. They've got some arms, like there are pieces with that Oakland team. I, man, are there five wins in there? I don't think so. >> So I will be doing this. I'm doing this. I'm starting tonight. >> Okay. >> I'm betting on the Warriors minus. >> I will. I'm like, I have to take advantage of this, you know, like it's only got pyramid scheme. >> You're like, I just have to do this. >> No, no, like I do, yeah, great research, you know, all of this Nvidia, they're making the microchips for AI. Throw some money in that, like immediately investigated by the Department of Justice yesterday. So that's, yeah. No, I should definitely just be putting my money in the other team that's playing the white sauce. >> I'm doing it. I'm doing it. >> Okay. >> So there we go. Keep you updated. >> Good for you. Okay. >> Thank you. >> Can you take me out on your boat? >> Yes. I will take you out on my Elon Musk-esque boat. >> Would I get it? >> Can't wait for that. >> At the end of this month. Other pendreth Corey Connors, back Hughes, the three Canadians Mike Weir has selected to the President's Cup team, again, the President's Cup, end of the month in Montreal. Mike Weir, first gig of the can is a team captain. So pendreth and Connors were on the team in 2022. Nick Taylor is the one significant snob, unless you want to talk about Adam Hadwin, but I don't think he was seriously in the discussion. Nick Taylor, a couple of wins in recent vintage, one in Phoenix, one of course the Canadian Open, a couple of Canadian Opens ago, but since March, he's been pretty rancid. >> He hasn't had a good year at all, and he's not good majors. >> No, he hasn't made the cut in any of the majors. So that's the one snub you can point to. You could have, like I said, taken your one opportunity as the Canadian captain of the President's Cup team on home soil and just maxed it out and potentially thrown at least four Canadians in there. What did you think of the three you selected? >> So I've been thinking a lot about this clearly and I saw them come out with the captains picks yesterday. The more I think about this bend, the more he should have done all the Canadians. >> Yeah, I told you. >> It doesn't matter. The internationals have won this event once, it's a joke event. >> That's exactly- >> No offense. >> It's a joke event. >> You are going to get boat race regardless of who you put in there. So you might as well lean into the Canadian thing and have the fans on your side and make it more of a Canada versus USA kind of thing. I do think, and man, did you watch the video, where is he talking about snubbing Nick Taylor and Hadwin, where he's like crying? God. >> That would suck. >> That honestly would make it not worth whatever accolades come with being the captain. >> Just take them. >> Honestly, it's like, why- >> So you might run into Minwalee or Christian behinds and they're going to get their whole shoulder. >> Oh, those guys are undeniable. >> Like holy crap, you're taking prime tiger and Minwalee, like, I get it and you're trying to win and like, you know, like Stanley told us yesterday, I'm sure all the analytics with all the stuff that, you know, and he's drawn it up with Minwalee and Bizet and Hooten, whatever, rather Hooten. I just, I really do think now that I think more about it and I've had kind of like sober second thoughts when you see him actually snub, Nick Taylor and Adam Hadwin just take the Canadians. >> Welcome. >> It's good to have you. >> I know, I know. I'm like, listen, I'm one of my favorite things people, I am very wrong about a lot of things and I was wrong about that. You are going to get smoked and you might as well get smoked with the Canadian guys with your boys and not create lifelong riffs with two guys who you're crying about in an interview. I, you know, how much does, how much does Mike Weir mean to Adam Hadwin and Nick Taylor? >> Oh my God. >> These are, he means everything. >> Everything. >> He is the, the patron saint of Canadian golf. He's the most important guy in all of these guys' lives and now this guy has to call you and tell you you're not good enough to make a team that you picked Minwoo Lee and Christian Bizetan hoot over me. It's just, it's tough, man. I'm really, really surprised now looking at this and thinking about it that he didn't just lean into it. >> There would have been criticisms of it. >> Of course. >> Right? >> But there's already criticisms of it. There's criticisms of him taking Mac Hughes over Cam Davis, like people, like I see the mentions of this and people are bent out of shape about it. So just make them really bent out of shape and just go full canok. >> Yeah, I agree. Because again, like, maybe you run into Minwoo Lee, I know he's the prime example we're using here. >> He does hammer the ball, Minwoo Lee. >> Sure, great. >> I like Minwoo Lee's game a lot. >> Okay, great. >> Yeah. >> Great, great, great. >> Yeah. >> Maybe you run into him. That's an awkward conversation. >> It is. >> Maybe it happens. >> Yeah. >> You know what's definitely going to happen? >> Forever. >> Forever. >> Every golf event ever. >> Well, and those guys have to do charity events and all this kind of all stuff. And beyond that, Nick Taylor's playing the Canadian Open forever, right? >> Yeah. >> Mike Ware's playing the Canadian Open forever until he physically, like, can't do it anymore. >> Of course. >> Like, and then he'll only just do the ceremonial first drive. >> Yeah, he'll literally be there every year until he cannot be there. >> Forever. >> Ever. >> As will Nick Taylor, one of the seminal golf moments of my life, okay? >> Yes, standing green side, I would agree, one of the greatest moments of my life. >> Yeah, that's cool. But, you know, it was also cool sitting in my living room with my two kids and then watching that thing track to watch the cup. >> I'm gonna tie it. I'm gonna tie it. I'm gonna tie it. I'm gonna tie it up. Wait, it's cool. >> Yeah. >> Cooler. >> No, it didn't get very hard. >> Very cool. >> You couldn't even see it. >> You're right. I couldn't. I ran out of the green now. I was on the green. >> Yeah, I guess you had to pass. >> I was right there. >> And they didn't tackle you? >> No, well, I mean, I didn't run out like the, like, had to win. I wasn't the first guy out there. We're jumping into each other's arms, screaming F yes, so. >> Unbelievable. >> Actually, I had to be, I mean, if you want me to retell the stories and for here, but it was raining, right? >> Yeah. >> So all of the, like, all the dignitaries piled into the green side for the, like, they kept going back and forth between the playoffs or whatever. And they all had their umbrellas up. And all the people that were in the stands were extremely lubricated and sour that all these umbrellapies, they're like, sit out, dorks. It's not even raining. And it's like Lawrence Applebaum golf can, it's like hammering people. So like I was behind all the dignitaries. So when he's hitting a, like, you fight to get a look when it's like a ten-flare, but a 70 foot. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> You go, I'll wait for the next one. >> I'll wait for the next one, which you could have, because Tommy Flea was not in a good shape. >> No. >> Like he just had to cozy it up there. And I just hear the crowd, like, building and building, and I'm like, what's, never saw it. Didn't see it going the whole. Just all I saw was got her to be like, I want to add, and then we jumped up and down. >> Yeah, again, it's almost like you were trying to make my point that my experience was much cooler. >> But then I was standing right beside him, Kayla, when he was like, yeah, that's cool. >> Yeah, that's cool. >> And like, I dapped up his caddy, like, on the green, like, it was very cool. >> Honestly, though, next time, so Mike Weir was there, he had left and then came back. >> Yeah. >> Right? That one was there. >> Mm-hm. >> Was Mac Hugh was there? >> I can't remember. All the non-Canadian guys were around the green, like, Lowry was there, like, there's a lot of like, I think Rose was there, and they were kind of like rooting for Fleetwood. >> Well, of course, he has no PGA tour victories. That was going to be his first, and that would have been- >> I don't think he ever will. >> I don't think he ever will. >> The guy, that was a rough one. >> That's a tough one. >> I mean, he's not gonna get that one, he's never getting one. >> Yeah, I mean, he is banging it off hospitality tents. >> Anyways, I'm dead serious when I say this. Next time Nick Taylor sees Mike Weir, like, is there- >> Yes. >> Is there relationship forever fractured? >> Yes. >> Was it forever? Was it worth it? >> I don't know forever fractured, but that's always gonna be there. How can it not be like, when are you ever gonna get this opportunity again? In Montreal, in Canada, with like- >> Never. >> Never. >> You will quite literally never get it again. Well, not only just in this country. >> Like, it could come back to Canada, but like, in a different point of your career, you may not be, like, it's just- >> Well, and you're unlikely to get a Canadian captain, because like I was pointing out, when you were just besmirching Mike Weir's career, a former top ten player in the year. None of these guys, Corey Connors, no offense, Mac Hughes, no offense, Taylor Pendreth, no offense. I don't think they have top five, top ten in the world potential, right? Maybe they- >> If Connors ever learned how to potty wood, but you had some moot point. >> Great, yeah, one of the great ball strikers in the game. >> Yep, really compresses it. >> That's a big part of the game? >> Yeah. >> I mean, you have to be Scotty Scheffler to have that be the weak point in your game and still win majors. >> But do you know how good at striking the ball Corey Connors has to be with how bad his putting is for how much, how high he finishes in golf tournaments? Like he has to hit everything to like six feet. >> Yeah, well done. Try and make more of those. >> Yes. >> Anyways, none of these guys are going to be at the stature at which they will be in consideration to be named President's Cup champion. It will never in our lifetime, I don't think, happen again that we have a Canadian president of the President's Cup team in an event that's held in this country. There will never be another opportunity to do this. Three was the minimum number of Canadians. Imagine he'd only selected two. No, three was always going to be the minimum. Mike Weir did the bare minimum when it came to selecting Canadians, which is fine and we're such a polite nation that, well done, Mike, wait, wait, do not put us ahead of everybody else. Don't make us skip the cue. Other people deserve to be on this team. Screw that. Man, this was our one shot to load up this team in a meaningless event in which, Corey Connors and Taylor Pendreth, when they were in it in 2022, lost all four of their matches combined. >> They were so bad. >> Like they went 0 and 8. >> Yeah. >> They're going to get waxed in this event that is one, each and every time it's held by the Americans. This was our one opportunity. It is truly a golden age of Canadian golf, right? I don't know if any of these guys are going to reach the heights of Mike Weir, but there are so many of them incontested and winning PGA Tour events. It is a golden age. And you would have a chance to load up this team with five Canadians. >> All we ever had when we were kids is Mike Weir, and as I said, and we had Stephen Ames getting beat like a drum versus Tiger Woods. >> Ooh. >> Yeah, we have 10 and eight. >> Yeah, you know, nine and eight. Nine and eight. Like, that's still like a saying, like, I don't want to get nine and eight. >> Was it nine and eight or ten and eight? >> Yeah, no, it was nine and eight. >> Beat him on the ninth hole. >> Yeah, no, I know, but you can still be, you can still be ten and eight. >> I thought it was nine and eight. All I've ever heard is nine and eight. >> Yeah. >> So maybe. >> Anyways, he got beat bad. >> So I'm glad that you're on my side of the ledger. >> Maybe quit after. >> I'm glad you're on my side of the ledger. Anyways, congratulations to those Canadians. We'll talk to Taylor Pendreth at the end of the show today. >> Oh, yeah, it's exciting. >> Yeah, an incredible accomplishment for him and he, I get for, obviously so much a part of the decision making here is momentum because Nick Taylor. Just had none. >> The lack of momentum. >> And Taylor Pendreth has a ton of it. Mac, he was less so, but nobody had less momentum than Nick Taylor. >> I mean, stay only pointed out best yesterday. Mac uses a sick putter. He's such a good putter and important part of the game. >> Very important part of the game, and especially a match play, like there's nothing like a demoralizing pot when you think you're going to win a hole and he hits a bomb or whatever. He's a good putter and the rest of the game is still going to get it there. He's got his shufflers sitting at the two feet, might not matter, but yeah, like I see, I see the American captain picks and I'm like, Homer, really? >> Oh. >> You know, like Russell Henley? >> Yeah, sure. >> Making it interesting. >> Yeah, Keegan Bradley's had really good, really good finish to the year he won the tournament there. I'll forget which one it was that he won the second last one of the year he won. He was really good, Sam Burns, 20 feet, they're good, they're good, but the captain picks for a little bit interesting. >> Homer's been awful this year, like there actually was more of an argument to take JT than there was to take Homer. >> Wow. >> Yeah, I mean, but the crowd, he's a crowd favorite. People love him. >> Homer? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, a lot of them in Canada. >> Maybe. >> Yeah. >> He's going for the good graces. >> Yeah. >> Anyways, it's fine, everything's fine. I'm not going to question Mike Weir's decision. It's just if it were me, and I wanted to avoid awkward conversations, which I routinely do. >> Oh, yeah. >> And I want to play the crowd. I want to go, I want to do the Ric Flair, like cup in my ear, I would have gone, you know what? Go beyond that. Who was the, like Roger Sloan, you're on the team. >> Roger. >> Roger, what's it, Hearn, what's Hearn out to, what's interesting? >> Yeah, David Hearn. >> David Hearn, what's David Hearn out to? >> Graham Dilett. >> What? >> Yeah. >> Chip, get him out here. >> Let's do it. Anyways, that's just me. Before we do a couple of NFL season storylines, I got to mention this highlight that's going around, which is maybe not the best idea to do on radio, but it's so ridiculous, and it did something to my brain that so rarely happens in sports. So there's a highlight going around on Twitter. It looks like, I don't have the details as to what game, it looks like a high school game, anyways. >> Definitely a high school game. >> Or like a division eight game. >> Yeah, it's like grainy. >> Yeah, it's not a broadcast. >> No. >> Quality. >> Video. >> But it's not terrible. >> But that's not important. >> Yeah. >> What's important is what happens here. So it's a punt formation, okay? But it's a fake punt. But it's unlike any fake punt you've ever seen before, instead of punting the ball away, the punter underhand flings the ball way up in the air. So it looks like a punt, but it is in fact a pass. The receiving team can't see that it's been thrown, assumes it's been punted. It lands in the hands of one of the players on the fake punting team. >> Mm-hm. >> Obviously the punt receiving team thinks that it's been down, okay, sure, you touch it first. We're not gonna touch it, it's like a short punt, okay? You're probably doing the wave off thing where it's like, don't touch that thing. Of course, it's a reception first down for the punting team. Pro sports, and this is not pro sports, but sports, as we know it, has been around for 100 plus years, football, not as long as some of the other sports. >> I think that goes to the oldest professional football team in the world. But football has changed so much, like the forward pass, and just the way the game is played. But yeah, like 100 years, we've been doing these things. >> Yeah. >> You know how rare it is to see something you've never seen before? >> It's true. >> To see somebody take advantage of something, whether it be a rule or something that nobody has thought of ever before. I don't see why this wouldn't be effective in the NFL. No, somebody's gonna have to explain it to me. >> I will. >> So somebody has to be aware that this video exists, and if it's tried in the NFL, somebody has to say, he threw it, because that's the only way, you can't see that the punter threw the ball. If you're the receiving team, how do you see that the punter, he underhans it from what would be the angle of his foot? It looks like he's punting the ball. >> I think, listen, I know you're really excited about this. >> My God, don't downplay this. >> I'm going to. >> I know why this wouldn't work in the NFL, Minka Fitzpatrick, he's watching, and then he would pick it off and run it back for a touchdown. These guys are division eight defenders. Lock in, boys. Watch what's happening. >> I got it. How can you though? Like, there's the offensive line, can you even, can you physically see the punter? I'm not so sure that you could. >> Yeah, I think you could. >> I mean, well, the guys I'm watching it over and over and over. I think you could see. I think if you're watching closely enough. I think you're one tip off would be how short it is, because obviously you cannot, you can't throw a ball in the air as far as you could punch it. >> Yeah, you're really short and it's not far, like it's like not that high in the air. >> But you could say, oh man, he caught it off the side of his foot. And especially, you know, it's a, it's a, he, he flubbed the punt, like, let's stay away. I'm just telling you the possibility. >> It is interesting. >> That this is something, like, God, what was it, a couple of years ago that they had the, the guy that was wearing the uniform, the same color as the, the, the paint in the zone and lay down. >> Yeah. >> And then got up and received the lateral, like, I get, it's almost impossible to figure out something new in sports. >> I think in 2024, this guy, whoever I need to hear, I need to, like, we need to track him down. He needs to be doing the rounds on, on talk radio. >> There's lots of people at this game. I think it's a high school game. You know, the, the GIF from the office, the Ryan, when he's writing the thing down? >> Yes. >> That's Andy Reid right now. >> Yes, that's right. >> He saw this, it came across. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What is that? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But the thing is like, your punter, like, that's a great underhand talk about your punter. >> Yes. >> You have to practice it. >> You're, you're asking a lot from your punter. >> We've seen some punters with some good arms, right? >> No, like, that's always been my, my, my thing with a fake punt. Like, if you're faking a punt, like fourth and three, it's 2024. Just give the ball a Patrick Mahomes. >> Yeah. >> Just give the ball to like, you know, Trevor Lawrence, or whoever, like. >> Yeah. >> Oh, the ultimate is surprised. >> How about you just give it to your quarterback who's making 55 schmail a year and get three yards? Like, I've always, I've always thought the fake punt in general. You're just asking way too much of like your worst player. It's always, I like the one where they hike it to the, one of the guys that are standing on the side, or they, you know, they, they disguise it somehow. When they put the ball in the punters hand, I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, just give the ball to Drew Brees. >> Yeah. >> Give the ball, you know? >> There are a couple of punters though with arms. I'm thinking of the Saints guy, like, there's a couple of guys, there's a couple of punters who actually can, can spin. >> Yeah. Do you know who's better than that? >> Yeah. >> Do you have the quarterback? >> That's a good point. >> Yeah, I've always, the fake punts always rub me the wrong way. >> God, I mean, I'm trying to think of where this exists in other pro sports where like, you can have something new that you've never seen before. Occasionally we'll see this in, in, in shootouts in hockey, right? >> I mean, we just had to hear about it for a week when Danny Jansen played in two, for two teams. >> But that's stupid. That's not the same at all. >> What do you, it was the first time in the history of professional baseball that ever happened. >> Yeah, that wasn't. >> Professional baseball is older than football. >> Yeah, I get it. >> That wasn't somebody devising something that had never been done before. >> You know what, you know what, the Michigan, the first time I ever saw the Michigan, which is now, okay, boring, enough with the Michigan, right? >> Michigan fatigue? >> Oh, 100% Michigan fatigue. >> I just don't think it's cool. >> It is sure. >> I don't love it like it did when it first started. The one, it's less of a video of Sid do it on Rimuski, he was like, my God, that is the greatest video I've ever seen. But yeah, I think if there's one that jumps to my mind of things, if we're talking about sports, things that I've seen, would be the move that Pavel Batsuk did on Marty Turkel on the breakaway. >> Mm-hm. >> Yeah. >> It's like the backhand toe drag where Marty Turkel's over in the corner. >> Yeah, in the one hand. >> No, no, he's like, he tries to stop it with one and he just brings it back. >> Mm-hm. >> Everyone's seen the video. It's like every top 10 best move ever. >> Yeah. >> It's like goes up on his outside edge and brings it hands in and shoots it up in the top corner of the net. >> Yeah, and that one has always been one of the two. >> The Kucharov. >> Yes. >> Where he just doesn't touch the puck and it just slides. >> Yes, that's the filthiest shootout move ever. I forget who we did it to. I think it was Robin Lainer on the Sabers. That's legitimately the, you know, just nasties. >> The Milana zigress like flipping the puck behind the net and batting it in front. Like, I think there's still room. >> How about Leo Jimenez flying into the crowd and then gaining the ball to Addison Bargain? >> Not something that was planned. We've had the Hidden Ball trick in baseball, right? >> Yeah. >> But that's. >> Ryan Goens got Todd Fraser with that? >> Did he? >> Remember? >> Honestly, don't remember that. But wow, you don't remember that. >> Honestly, that one. >> Big brain on me. >> Well done. >> Thank you. >> Anyways, just shout out to this guy. >> Andy, producer Jeff Azabardi, given me some quotes from the guy's idea, downy high school. >> Downy high school. >> Okay, I don't remember what inspired the idea, but we just talked about if we threw the ball underhand as far as we could to the defense, it would look like a bad punt. Whenever a bad punt comes out, everybody on the defense starts shouting, get away, get away. And so we sent a receiver down there and we have a punter that can throw the ball under hand that far. It's a forward pass. And if we get hit while we wait for it to come down, it's pass interference, 100%. Name of the play, bomb it. 100%. Oh my God, how sweet would it have been if that was pass interference? >> He's got a weird name. Jeremy Pla. >> Yeah, I would have. >> With two A's? >> I mean, he's led the team since 2007. What a tenure. >> Totally smoked. >> So. >> But please like this. Look how Danny Reid. Jeremy Pla is coming for the job. >> Pla is at a lot of time in that office just staring at a blank page and eventually he came up. He's sick of running the HB dive. It's so ingenious. >> It is quite ingenious. >> Well done. >> I will give him credit, but I still think maybe if the Patrick picks it off and takes it for a touchdown. >> Maybe. If he knows that it's happening, I'm not sure that he would. All right, let's take a break and we'll come back. We'll talk to Shida VD. The fan morning show continues. Ben Anisamakey sports at 590, the fan. >> Big opinions and in-depth conversations covering the Leafs, Jays, Raptors, and the NFL. Don't forget to subscribe and download the show on Apple, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. [Music] >> Fan morning show sports at 590, the fan, Ben Anisamakey, Blue Jays wrapping up. Not just the series against the Phillies. So, homestand, it's a two-gamer. This afternoon, 307 first pitch, Bowdoin Francis, trying to follow up his American League picture of the month award against that potent Phillies lineup. They got the off day tomorrow and then a three-game series in Atlanta against the Braves before they return for another homestand starting with the Mets on September the 9th. Blue Jays score runs now. They're capable of scoring runs. It's all about the process. >> It's enjoyable. It's not about the results. Do you think the people, the close to 30,000 that were there yesterday, went home like pretty satisfied despite the fact that they just blew a big lead in that inning? >> No, it'd be sour. It'd be sour, but it was an enjoyable game to watch, but I think you would have enjoyed yourself throughout. The ending would have been poopy, you would have not enjoyed the ending. >> Specifically, Chad Green not enjoying the ending as it's now two straight blown saves for him on the strength of two three run home runs is only two blown saves of the season, but they've been in a rather dramatic fashion. All right. Time now for our insider brought to you by Don Valley, North Lexus where you can expect excellence online and in the showroom visit Don Valley North Lexus dot com. Today's insider. Shy DeViti. How's it going, Shy? >> All right. What's going on? >> Nothing. So the Blue Jays score runs now, they hit home runs, which is good. I don't know how many of these players are going to factor into 2025. But has something philosophically changed since the deadline because it's, I don't know, the results have been different offensively. >> Yeah, very much so. And I mean, the personnel is a little bit different. So that is one piece of it. But the Blue Jays have also been adapting their offensive approach and just making changes to how they prep and all these different behind the scenes elements over the course of the season. And I will try to think about when this was, but it might have been even back in, back in May, whenever, whenever they were in Chicago, so I think it was May, maybe June. And I remember how the Blue Jays were adapting their sort of feedback system that they give players and changing some of the things that, how they score and assess the different player at bats. And Justin Turner was part of that and offering some ideas and feedbacks and just kind of making sure that they were getting to their best swings a little bit more often and the way, to a certain extent, I don't want to say de-emphasizing contact, but more emphasizing getting their best swing off a little bit more often. You've seen George Pringer certainly come around that way a fair bit, obviously Vladimir Guerrero Jr. is turning things around in a pretty dramatic fashion. But you've seen other guys just taking chances at different points of it at that, a bit more aggressively and a bit more successfully. So there have been a number of factors there, again, it's not just one thing, but the Blue Jays process of hitting has definitely evolved over the course of the season and it certainly seems like it's in a better spot now than it was at the beginning. Absolutely. And the offense has evolved, but the bullpen shy has remained the same pretty much the whole season. And again, last night it comes up and bites them. I mean, how hard is it going to be for this front office to seemingly remake, I mean, the bullpen's are always a volatile thing. It's the favorite anecdote of any baseball fan, it's how much it changes from year to year, but how hard is it going to be for them to remake this entire bullpen, basically, you know, from this season till next? Yeah. I mean, really hard, right? Because even if you go out and sign a bunch of dudes, there's no guarantee that the guys are going to be consistent and, you know, you can very much point to the 2021 season. And Blue Jays, the bullpen wasn't going to be amazing them, but, you know, they went into year thinking the bullpen was going to be at least OK, but it's the reason then there's the playoffs that that year, right? Because they they frittered away at least a dozen games, a winnable games, a lot of catwood memories in that. Yeah. I mean, chatwood, Travis Bergen, Trent Thornton. Yeah. Don't raffield the least, you know, there that was a that was a difficult time. Joe Piams was at that point and figure things out. Who would have struggled with the pitch clock? Yeah. Oh, I mean, there were a lot of factors, right? And so they tried, they couldn't fix that in time at a cost in the season. And so right now, if you're kind of projecting forward into what the bullpen is going to look like next year, well, you've got maybe Jordan Romero, but that's going to be complicated to figure out this off season, got Chad Green, you got Hennesis Cabrera, Brandon Little looks like he can be, you know, a part of the bullpen and I'm not sure what else you're locking in. That's it. You know, like Eric Swanson is under club control, but and like, I think you can very much look at him and say, there are so many factors into why his season has played out the way that it has that, you know, he'd certainly be a guy you'd want to give a mulligan to or at least you there's a case to give him a mulligan. But I don't know how you're who else you're really counting on and saying, okay, we're good here. And so that that's a lot of work, right? That's a lot of bullpen and you need to reconstruct the leverage portion of those of your pen. So it's not a small task by any means. It's in many ways of title one, but it's one of many things that we just have to accomplish as our season. Yeah, Chad Green's going to be a part of it and and Chad Green is still having a good season after and two appearances does not a season make, okay, there's only blown saves of the year. This is the first opportunity he's gotten for an extended run to be a team's closer. And again, he was locking him down before the last two. I think there might have been a case to be made that you felt good about him in the ninth inning going into 2025 and maybe there still is, but I mean, how I don't want to overreact to blown saves again, he's having a great year, like, but but also closers cost a lot. Shy, you're going to have to get a lot of high leverage relievers. But I do think the last three outs are different than the other 24 of them. How like are the blue jays in the market for a bona fide closer this offseason? I mean, I don't know that you need to overreact again to the two saves and to me, I think the fundamental question, maybe the first question, the one that you have media up they figure out is right now, assuming he can maybe get back and have a week or two of games before he close out. Like, what does Jordan Romano look like, right? That's a huge question, though, but it's but then it also becomes a huge contractual question too, because you're not going to pay him nine, eight, nine million dollars in arbitration next year based on what happened this year. And so, you know, can you work out some sort of creative contract with him? Is it a, are you non-tendering him and then resigning him with a deal that set up in advance? Is there something else going on there? Like, that piece is very complicated. And if you have, if you have enough confidence that you're bringing Jordan Romano back and you believe that he's got a chance to be in the 2020 to 2023 Jordan Romano, then we're having a very different conversation right now. So I think that's where in a lot of ways it starts, but, you know, there's also going to be a finite amount of money to go around, right? Like, if you're thinking about an offseason shopping list, you probably want a starting picture, you probably need three to four believers, some of which you can accomplish by trade. And then you're going to be looking for at least one big bat, but probably two. And you want to have some of the young players you acquired, both as players who are on your bench and players who are a AAA for depth for you and players that you can use for trade. So, you know, can you go out and spend big on a closer and then accomplish all those other things at the same time? Like, that's where the offseason comes a little bit tricky for the Blue Jays. So you mentioned all those guys have come up and contributed. How many of those guys, I guess, the Buffalo crew, I guess we all kind of know who we're talking about here. I don't need to list them all off. How many do you think will be huge contributors to the team next year? I guess huge, not starting, but like, you know, if someone goes down, they play a lot. How many of those guys do you think they are forecasting to be big contributors next season shy? I still think they're figuring that out. And to some degree, the offseason is going to help determine that, right? And it's interesting, because one of the guys who probably plays a big role next year isn't here yet in Jake Bloss. And he had a decent outing, a rebound outing, a Buffalo yesterday at all, I think he walked four, but didn't give up any runs, only two hits, had some strikeouts. And he's some of that near term pitching that you really need and he can be a major piece. And with some of the other guys, like, you want to, yeah, like I want to keep seeing what Will Wagner can do. I mean, there's just a professional or really professional player, good at bats. You know, I'm still, like, I think Joey Loperfido is super interesting and there's a ton of ability there. And, you know, that needs some more runway. You know, Ernie Clement is something like he's definitely a player on the team who can help you get there. And you know, how does he ultimately fit? Is he an everyday guy? Does he need to move around? Does he get one spot? I don't think the Blue Jays are figuring that out. And some of it is that it will be what's available to them in the off season and what the opportunities are that emerge, you know, that will help determine some of the runway for different guys as well. So there's not a simple answer to that, you know, like Spencer Horwitz is, like, I think we can at this point say, yeah, he's a factor for this team next year that there's no doubt about it. But, again, what position is he? I think there are a lot of questions all around the time. And you can even say that for Vladimir Guerrero Jr., you know, like, do you need to, like, press him into third base? Do you need to say to him this off season, hey, we're going to make you a third baseman. Again, we're going to find somebody first, we're going to do something there. And if you're a third baseman, then we're a better team. So the Blue Jays are, in some ways, kind of like, like a bunch of Michael pieces right now. It's just a bunch of different ways that they can put it together. And they don't have necessarily the ultimate design or the final design of what they're trying to build. And I'm sure Shai, if another team was tantalized by the end of the season for one of these guys and we're, you know, had a good bullpen arm or a good starting pitcher, they'd be willing to listen on that kind of stuff too, I'm sure. Well, look, I mean, not everybody can be on this team, right? Exactly. If you're making external auditions, and part of what the Blue Jays needed to do at the deadline is just they just didn't have enough chips to use, right, in trades. And so now you legitimately can have some chips and you can go into tough trade talks and you've got pieces that you can offer up to other teams, which again, they couldn't do before this or not in a meaningful way. So yeah, I think that's definitely a part of it. And the Blues just have more pathways to talent now than they did beforehand. Shai, how close were the Jays on Collish Warber before the 2022 season? Like were they were they right there? Were they nipping talk? Could they have? Could they have blown the Phillies out of the water? You know, I was thinking back about this the other day, like, like I just heard some different things like, yeah, that it was they were super in or they were pushing hard. There were a number of possibilities around that, they ended up, I'm trying to think about the exact timing, but it feels like the match happened deal happened, maybe even the same day as the Schwerber deal. So there were a lot of pieces, like they were definitely involved, but I don't know if they were in the mix and it seemed like Schwerber and the Phillies were, were paired in a way that they were probably going to end up together. But you know, the Blue Jays were were involved to some degree, but I'm not sure where they were on this Preflitz. Whoops. I should have done whatever it does. Honestly. Yeah, I mean, I guess who could have anticipated this, except, yeah, it was it was a it was a pretty effective offensive player, even before he ended up in in Philadelphia. And now he's just he mashes and he takes walks, he gets on base at the top of that potent lineup. He's he's a monster. Last one before we let you go. So you mentioned Bloss with a bounce back outing yesterday after his worst outing of the season majors minors doesn't matter before that. When do we see him? Like, is that enough to to now have him feeling good? Yeah, I felt like obviously that the last hooting, giving up whatever it was, eight earned runs, not getting out of the second inning, tough to call him up via September call up coming off of that start is, is that enough now that the Blue Jays are are willing to see him for at least one start in the majors before the end of the year? I think they're trying to find the right timing and it's not just about, you know, where is he at? Although that's obviously one of the driving factors, but it's also, okay, well, where are you inserting him into your rotation and right now. So they had off day on Monday, they got another off day Thursday, like the rotation's getting a pretty good breather through this stretch. So is it, do you want to wait for another start in a window where you can give the guys an extra day? You don't want them, you know, being on, you know, maybe six or seven days, Rasti, rather getting up on to give them an extra day, not have two or three there. So I think that that becomes a factor, you keep, the Blue Jays keeps saying that they will, we will see him here and I would be certain that they have a rough idea. But I don't, I'm not a hundred percent sure, but I wouldn't think it'd be on the next turn, but maybe turn after that, it gets, you know, a couple outings because they're trying to be mindful of his innings and his workload as well. Yeah, and probably going to put himself in a position to be the first call up, maybe in 2025, if the Blue Jays have a need in the rotation. Shy, always a pleasure. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Shy. Have a great week guys. Talk to you soon. You too. Shy to VDR, insider brought to you by Don Valley, North Lexus, where you can expect excellence online and in the showroom, visit Don Valley, North Lexus dot com. Will Wagner's good? Joey Loperfito has shown flashes at time. He's back in the stink bar. I think what you're going to get at a Joey Loperfito is Boomerbust as they go on high variance. He's kind of like my golf game. Right? Hey, oh, three straight birdies. Whoa, there's an 11. Where'd that come from? Yeah. Yeah, I think you're going to get those stretches where he's not seeing them all well, and he's swinging for the fences and he's swinging and missing, and then you're going to go like through the week. Would you like to know the last time he just gave us a million strikeouts? 24 at pets, two hits, nine strikeouts for a 0.83 slugging. Yeah. He and what was it before then, but he had like a week where he games. Yeah. Yeah, it's very volatile. Yeah. Yeah. In the stretch where he looked like Barry Bond. He was quite good for that stretch and he had, yeah, very good. You know what's the nightmare scenario, though, for this Blue Jays team this season is that it's another year of like, Hey, we're going to make big moves. Like obviously we have to make big moves, we're going to compete. We're going to compete, but then those big moves don't really materialize. They obviously have to add somebody. They get one bat maybe and they're like, but look at what we saw at Addison Barger and Will Wagner and Jake Bloss is going to be part of the and we can see Fountain Francis being this for 30 starts and it's, Hey, we're competing, but the strength of that competing thought is that everybody else stinks and you don't have to be good to make the third wild card and like, we can't be this bad again with this base level of talent. If we just add incrementally, we just like kind of shuffle the pieces out, but don't add in a meaningful way, we can be in the playoff mix because the freaking Detroit Tigers are in the playoff mix in September because the Royals who lost a hundred games last year are in a playoff spot and they lost seven in a row. And then what happens? And then maybe they make the playoffs because yeah, you don't have to be very good to make the playoffs in baseball anymore. And then they get their clock cleaned in the playoffs and because this is what baseball is. I mean, all the guys that are leaning on this year that are hot at the end of the year in meaningless games. Yeah, aren't a good and meaningful games at the start of next year. That's the nightmare is that your and I don't think you would be doing it in an earnest way. You do it out of an active desperation where you're like, Hey, we got to give these guys an opportunity. Hey, and maybe you play Addison Barger 130 times next year and he is an all star. Maybe here's what I wouldn't be doing, banking on that. If I want to win a World Series or make the playoffs in 2025, you don't be great is if he starts 2025 in Triple A, if will Wagner starts 2025 in Triple A of Joey Loper Fido starts 2025 in Triple A and it's just Spencer Horowitz and Ernie Clement as the young guys and again, Ernie Clement, young as in quotation marks on the opening day roster next year because you backfill them with more sure things. And if those things fail or get hurt, then you get an opportunity and you better hit the ground running when you get to the major leagues because that other guys right over your shoulder ready to come back and fill that spot. That's what you should be doing. The nightmare is they don't do that either. They try to do that and fail or that it's like, Hey, man, we're competing. But that's like we're always competing with tigers or they sold out like you don't have to do very much to compete for a playoff spot in baseball in 2025. But I mean, they do like Shai said, they need four bullpen arms. Yeah, that's yeah, but maybe you're not shopping at the tippy top of that pile. All right. You know, because the closers, the closers get the money. Maybe it's not a Kenley Jansen type who is going to get some significant dollars but on a shorter term deal at his advanced age and still getting it done. Yeah. Kenley Jansen would be a fun piece at the back end of the bullpen doing the job very well for the Boston Red Sox. Trevor Hoffman. Same deal. Like there are guys Trevor Hoffman. What did I say? Jeff Hoffman. Trevor Hoffman. Boy, they don't bring back Trevor Hoffman. He's really good. Yeah. He is a bardier. All a favor. Banged up after yesterday, too. Yeah, knee injury. Banged his knee on Turner's helmet when he made that double play. Yep. Well, he was a banged up a little bit, but yeah. Probably not going to play in this afternoon's game. Speaking of which. Oh, it worked from dome day today? Yes. Yeah. We don't have to do that. We don't? Well, I mean, we just worked. Oh, yeah. I think that as a as a as a collective, we don't know how that she worked for matters to name. Yeah. No, no, no, no. People do they. Yeah. It's a great. I will be watching every moment of the Blue Jays game this afternoon when I'm playing golf at Lakeview. Okay. Yeah. I mean, you're what? Okay. You'll be back in time for half the game. Maybe. All right. Time to have the wake and break presented by Sports Interaction, your homegrown sports book 19 plus bet responsibly that Blue Jays game against the Phillies is an afternoon affair. Three o'clock today on Sports at Sports at five, nine in the van Christopher Sanchez against Bowden, France is going off his American League pitcher of the month award. And it is the Blue Jays underdogs in this one. But just barely so, plus 105 Phillies minus 128, total is eight after that offensive explosion. I don't know. I like the Blue Jays even a plus money with Bowden Francis, but it's hard not to to full do two things. Two good starters and Bowden Francis right in a hot streak. Like eventually this is going to come unglued a little bit. This is disrespecting the best pitcher in the major leagues in baseball, Bowden Francis. And who a pitcher who had one of the best months in the history of the sport. But I will say like these two teams combined for all those runs in game one of the series. You often see this in baseball where, yeah, the next game is a low scoring affair. I like the under minus 105 under eight. Give me the Blue Jays on the money line. Don't disrespect my boy Bowden Francis like that. All right. Okay. Plus 105 for the Blue Jays to split the series with the Philadelphia Phillies. All right. Just hope he pitches eight so the bullpen doesn't come in. He's been capable to do that and only through 70 some odd pitches in the last start. 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