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But then I've got the phoenix. Hey prick. So I'll take it from Bob every day of the week. Absolute disgrace. I sure know it'll mine. Come out of here and sit there. Ricky hat didn't go over for his fighter because he risked getting abducted and sold in the sexual assault. I love to shake up. Both have been right, victims. And I want you to Frank Pooby on me, I want to suck it in your mind. Jesus Christ, get yourself a life. It's because his brother John Fury I gouged him. I've told you all this time he's going to end up sucked too fucked up for a hand. Boxing, um, Natas, messenger group, whoa they're going to, oh they're going to be the King. Jai Pham, you know what I'm saying? Come everyone to the 586 edition of the Boxing Asylum Nuthouse, a proud member of the Sports Social Network found every Sunday, almost, I keep saying that every week, but no, close to every Sunday, eight o'clock in the UK, 12 Pacific time in the United States. And I'm happy to have Des with me here. And I don't know if Ames is making it this week or Rob, but we're going to rock on through this. We got a Canelo fight week, which is always a big deal state side, but the kick it off, we're going to talk about some Japanese boxing. This is the Japanese fighters just taking over 118 and 122 pounds, but 122 pounds is controlled by one Japanese guy and one Japanese guy alone, that man's name, Neolia, N.O.A. and he continues to be an absolute control of this division and his opponents taking out TJ Dohaney in the seventh round and Dohaney got in some good sweeping shots in there. He won a couple of rounds off of N.O.A. on one of the judges scorecards. He wasn't not doing anything in there, but the body work started to add up and Des, I don't know how he did it, but N.O.A. managed to hit Dohaney so hard on the right side of his body that he hurt his spine. That takes a hell of a puncher. Yes, he does and he had Nicki Cook vibes, didn't it? And if anyone remembers that one, look, when your back goes, you're absolutely disabled and TJ showed all the signs that he, I think it was his left leg stopped moving and he was hobbling around and he was absolutely disabled. Let's talk about what happened in the six and a half rounds before that. It was like a sciatic a pinch, right? Yeah, I mean, I've never had sciatica and people have told me how painful it is. I remember studying the body and the anatomy and I remember looking at a demonstration of when someone slips their disc and if you can imagine between all your vertebrae, there's a little disc and with on that disc, it's like a little egg yolk and when that egg yolk comes away from the vertebrae, that's a slipped disc. I'm not saying Dohaney had that, but that's a type of injury that it looked to me like he had a, there was a real sharp shooting, paying up his body and he had to turn away and he couldn't move his left leg. The boxes are the bravest sports people of them all, Dohaney done ever so well getting in there with a monster. He had a plan, he tried to implement it and it was a plan based on I'm going to sit on the back foot. I'm not going to be particularly proactive, but I'm going to try and stay out of trouble and try and touch in the way when I can. And let's be honest, Dohaney, I don't know how you saw it, but he did have some success. I mean I was watching the fight with my son and I'm explaining to my son how impressive Inouye is and for the first three rounds my son was saying, well TJ's landing, he's showing his shots here, he's staying out of trouble and he's landing, but he wasn't bent in Inouye and with that type of style, it's very dangerous to try and play with fire when you're dealing with a counter punchy like Inouye, but I had it TJ in survival mode very early, but he had a plan. He was more proactive than say Paul Butler, if anyone remembers that one, but by around Paul. I think Stephen Hawking would have been more proactive than Paul Butler. Yeah, absolutely, he was more proactive than Paul and he was a little bit more, I've got a plan here and I'm going to try and take this guy into the last quarter. It's unfair to say that TJ was never going to win, but he had a plan and we have to respect him for that. I think he showed elements of a tough guy now in M6 rounds. I think I've come away thinking, you know what TJ, you've played the hand, you're dealt and you've given it your best goal and you've not. I've seen guys against monsters go out in the first round throwing everything at him and getting stopped and that's almost like I went out of my shield, TJ, TJ was a bit more measured than that, but I think by around four Inouye was putting hands on him and when I think it was the end of round four TJ sat down and he was heavily marked and you could see that it's the slight punches, it's the grazing punches, it's the ones he's not quite missing that are going to affect him and by around six it was the case of not, if Inouye is going to stop TJ, it was more a case of what rounds you picked and it come in as you spoke about, but I don't think TJ described himself, I think TJ took on a monumental challenge. I think he showed elements of a tough guy now, but he was always going to be outgunned and it was a pretty first gear performance from Inouye, but even title to have wanted him and he moves on to the next one and the next challenge, but no disgrace for TJ and onwards and upwards for Inouye. Yeah, it's kind of funny when people think it was one of his best performances and he stopped a naturally bigger guy in the seventh round without, with maybe losing a round or two, that shows you where the bar has been set for him and you know, and he really took over that six round, I'll tell you, when he had Dohini cornered and he was unleashing those body shots, he was putting a lot into those and a lot of that damage added into you know, the conclusion of the seventh round, when he was landing those shots to buy, he was like a shot gun going off, I mean, you can tell a real puncher just by the sound it makes when they hit people, that's one of those things where you're probably in the, in the 20, 25th row and you can just hear it just clear as a bell, it was just a fantastic bodywork. But in a way, you know, we talked about this, but in not for this fight, but I think in another fight, we discussed it, his defense really comes from his legs, he, that's, you know, in and out, that's what he's doing kind of like Pacquiao did, but Pacquiao had a few more defensive wrinkles in my opinion, because in a way, his head is pretty darn static, Des, and I just get this hunch, they're saying he's coming over to the U.S. next, I don't see much that's there for I'm like, would maybe he'd fight Akma Dolly if you're I guess, but I would think that with the arrangement with top rank that he's looking at 126 pound fight. And I don't know, you know, who might win the rematch between Espinosa and Ramirez, but I'll tell you what, a sharpshooter like Ramirez, I think he could be in a way's foil, should he move up to 126 pounds, and that's who he comes, who he comes into the ring against. Yes possibly. I mean, that we can, we can look at that, sort of we can look at the one to six division and think, who do we pick there, me personally, I think they're going to get him Angelo Leo, I think that's the one they're going to pick for him. I think Angelo's got the style, he's not a big puncher, I think he's got the frame. Well, he wasn't a big puncher, but at 126 he's got three or four fights, I think by knockout or all of them. And then that knockout of the year candidate too. Yes. I don't know. No, but I think there's, I think there's, there's, there's no one's who told them results. And I think, I think you've got to put the Lopez one on its own shelf. I think, I think Lopez for a lot of wild punches that night, I think his chin was in the year. I think he was erratic, but that's, that's kind of indicative of what we've seen from Lopez for his career. And I think Leo is ever some polished. I don't think, I don't think he has anything like that type of success against a new way. But look, again, I mean, you call him, you know, Espinosa Ramirez, Lee Wood, Leo Figaro or Lopez Ford, if he hangs around now, you could pick any of them guys in the way. He's a genuine superstar. He's a genuine power for pounder. And if he jumps up, they're all going to want that one. Whether they get it in America or not, I'm not quite sure that's a big step to go up to featherweight. Because I thought, I thought Superman would be his ceiling, but if he goes up to feather and he takes on, I mean, there's some monsters in that division. If he does it in America as well, I mean, that really is pushing the envelope. But I really fancy, let's have it be said now, I really fancy the Leo one, because I just think his frame, his style and the type of punch he doesn't have would really suit a new way. I think it's more of a safe play than a long-armed tall, marauding fire like a Figaroa. I think... Figaroa is a really rough test. If you just want to isolate him alone for a second here, he's big. He's a strong puncher. And unlike Espinosa, who is just, you know, Le'tal and Lanky is crap, Brandon is physically stout. Like, I could see him kind of just backing up in a way and giving him a hard night. I actually think that's a fantastic fight. I don't think the conclusion is decided. I could see both guys hitting the canvas because I get this feeling that Figaroa would want to test out in a way's power, and he would at one point and he would say, "Oops." But I do think you would come through that. And I just think it's a fantastic fight, and the last half of the fight is going to be nipping tuck with your seat kind of stuff. If I don't think they would go for it, obviously Figaroa being PVC, it's a much tougher fight to be. And I think that Brandon Figaroa would be his toughest test at 126 because you're talking about a guy who I don't know how he made 122. He's probably a lightweight fighting featherweight at this point in time. It's a tall task in more ways than one. I couldn't agree more, Matthew. I liked Brandon. That's better. I mean, don't forget he's been beaten by Fulton, who was outclassed by a new way. But all that to one side, because there's no other results, I think at feather I think Brandon is an actual weight class, and I think he's a long-armed, marauding, tall fighter. I'm not quite sure that's a type of, that's a type of water that a new way or his people wouldn't be dipping his toe in, first fight at featherweight. I look at Espinosa, very similar to Figaroa, very, I think he might be a bit too feral at that weight, and I think Ramirez is a bit too polished, that can punch, that knows his way around. And outside of that, I think if you want to go down to Ray Vargas or the Lopez, I don't think there's no value in him, quite that's very new way. So I think he's going to keep it. Someone that's current, he's hot, someone who's in the vogue, and I think that sounds you know Leo. So remember I said it to you, I think they're going to pick Leo for him if he decides to go up to featherweight. But if he doesn't, I'm not quite sure what he does at Superman, but there's loads, there's loads of types of TJ Dohini fights for anyway, but whether that's enough to quench the first of the Japanese public or top rank or the viewing audience, whether they want to get him over to re-head season, whether they want to get him into America, they're going to find a big challenge for him. So we'll wait and see. There's two fights that I like for Nakatani at 122 pounds, and one of them isn't even against a 122-pounder fighter, and that's Junto Nakatani. I think that's a big, all Japanese battle, everybody could make money on that one, really good money, and it's an interesting puncher's battle because Nakatani can flat out bang. I mean, that uppercut is a vile weapon, and it could be a very easy fight to make, and it's, I don't know, it's a question if they want to get that one potentially out of the way before a featherweight journey because I don't think that's a fight that happens at 126. No, I agree, that's a really interesting flat. And the other one would be Akma Daliev, but that's just basically clear on the deck at this point in time, and that's what he would be doing. And I think if you hang around at, say, Superbansom, I think you're clearing the deck. Look, you know, and I want to be really clear here. We're not on this pod disrespect fight as TJ Doheny come across as a man with a plan, and when it weren't going well for him, I thought he was a bit of a hard man in now, and I'm going to give him that, but we always knew what a hard, difficult ask it was going to be for Doheny. I think if, if your new way hangs around at Superbansom, yeah, Akma Daliev is the one you'd look at, I really don't want, I mean, from a British perspective, I really hope we don't fast track Lee and Davis for a quick buck, because that kid's a talent. That kid's got an awful lot going for him, but I think for an amendment for the new way, I don't think that would be a good idea. So perhaps I'm kind of waiting for a new way to move on up to favor white so we can look at the next challenge, but I think there's not a lot other than Akma Daliev at Superbansom before him. Come on, it's Matthew. Yeah, that's kind of all that's left, move Nakatani up. So yeah, you just end up in that position, and you have to decide how far you're willing to chase your legacy, and if taking a loss really does scare you that much. I mean, you look at a guy like Inaway, four-weight division, two divisions he's been undisputed in, a loss on his career, on his ledger in another weight class, that in no way diminishes his legacy. I don't care what the outcome is, I don't care if he gets knocked out and around. What he's accomplished at this point in time is stunning, and he's, I think, God, I'm trying to think about who might even stack up to him. I'd have to say he's probably the greatest Japanese boxer in history. No, I think after me, I said it last week, I think he's a greatly small man I've ever seen. You know, and I've done a bit of research on boxing. I think he's a greatly small man, anything under Superbandom weight down. I think he's been the greatest I've ever seen. I mean, this is a guy that punches like Triple G. He's got great feet, great hands. He snags in front of you, he's not a type of guy that goes on his bike, he takes on big challenges. I think he's brilliant. I think he's a powerful pounder, he's top three of my book, and he's, and he's some very good top five powerful pounders around in this era at the moment. To go in back a step, if, if his excellency was to think, look, how can we bring in new way and the Japanese click into what we're doing here, which is really where we want to touch all four corners of the world. Look, it's a very similar to a PJ, though he needs top five, but maybe a sand Goodman is something we can see in new way. That's true. That's another one that is, is there undefeated that it works? And it works. It works. It's not a puncher. He's undefeated. He's from Australia in new ways from Japan. If you bring him together in Riyadh, I think it hits that whole boxing is a global sport vibe. And I think maybe that's, if you're going to see in new way, won't try to say that if you're going to see a new way, hang around at super Benson, it'd be for a fight like that. You know, I'll tell you what, one of the easiest bets you could make is if there was a fight between those two and it was in Saudi Arabia, easy money, more Australians get arrested than Japanese that week, easy money, if you get a chance to take that bet. I don't even know who would be crazy enough to put those odds up there. But yeah, it's, we'll see where he goes from here, but at this point in time, I say it's set in stone. I mean, people can talk about Roy Jones and where he was at before the Ruiz debacle, but that's, that's its own animal. I think this is, it's very interesting for him with the top ranked connection. Lots of 126 pound fights can be made. So we do look forward to seeing what is next from the monster who comes away with another knockout victory. Just too easy as far as money goes on that one. They don't even give you good odds though, got to pick rounds and stuff. So, but anyhow, on the undercard of that was a really fun fight between champion Yoshiki Takei and former 112 pound champion Daiko Higa, this for 118 pound strap. This episode is brought to you by Microsoft Azure. Turn your ideas into reality with an Azure free account. Get everything you need to develop apps across cloud and hybrid environments, scale workloads, create cloud connected mobile experiences and so much more. Discover what you can create with popular services free for 12 months. Learn more at azure.com, that's azure.com and sign up for a free account to start building in the cloud today. In a, what really good back and forth fight with Higa trying to back to Kay up against the ropes. When Takei, Takei trying to use the center of the ring, use his sharp shooting to get the job done. He went down on the 11th, it was a questionable knockout down call. I think it could have gone either way from the angles I saw, but then Takei came out in the 12th round. Guns blazing could have arguably scored that one 10, 8, the way he smacked Higa around. I think that fight could have gone either way. It was a UD for Takei, a 2-1-14-1-13 and a 1-15-1-12 on there, but I'll tell you, Des, this is a definitely must watch and I'll give it to Takei. He's got one very special tool that I hope people notice and I almost think that he might be right-hand dominant because that right uppercut of his is short, sweet and accurate. He lands it in just the strangest places and he doesn't need a lot of gap to get some leverage on it. He's a really good fighter and we spoke about this guy a few times on the pod. We spoke about him when he won his world title, he going in 8-0 against, was it Mahoney? Yeah, Mahoney. He bocks brilliantly for the first five and then he consolidated for the next three but we really found out an awful lot about his cajonas in the last quarter of that fight. Mahoney was really pressing him and any other country might have been stopped and they've been a lot of fires that would have got themselves out of it because he was drowning. It was championship boxing and it was in the area he's never been before, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 round boxing against an experienced fighter like Mahoney and he hung tough and he hung in there and the way they've matched him again again to Gia who going in was 21 and 2 former world champion and Gia asked so many questions on that. I like the way his fight was going because what we saw was Takei was the confident fighter going in and he won the first three rounds for me and Hei Gia changed it a little bit. You saw Hei Gia go look I can't give this guy a room, I'm going to have to press him. I'm going to see what he's made of and there must be something in a fight that says look I've had double amount of fights this guy has had, I've been boxing all my life amateur and pro. These guys come into the sport late, I'm going to see what he's made of and Hei Gia did that and he started prepping the fight and he forced Teqi to work under pressure but Teqi responded and it was a real nip and tuck fight we was talking an awful lot on the chat all of us you know how we saw it I thought that pressing the fight the way Gia was would cost him. I thought it was a large fried of dice but it worked for him and he was starting to get a foot in the flat was it round 11 that Teqi got dropped Matty. Yeah yeah and it was questionable kind it was a little weird but it wasn't true it was a fair knock out fair knock down wasn't it because a punch landed I think it was on top of the head wasn't it or as he was turning yeah it was kind of looked like it was like one of those cuffs where you probably could have called it either way so I don't know that you can complain but like when you lose a fight by a point you know it could have been a draw the other way yeah you know I mean Eager could definitely be felt the hard done by it I think so so if you're if you're Teqi and you've had that what some people call a soft knockdown where you're half on the turn you're half off balance and a punch is landed had you respond to that what's the best way of responding to that Matty you know you got to come out guns blazing you get up and you show moves boss and for every second of that fight for the rest of the 11th and the 12th Teqi showed who is boss and I remember Oscar doing the same to Ike Corte all their music oh this fight depends on the last round I'm going to show you who's boss I'm really really fell in love with taking this one because he's got he's made a special stuff because a kid of his lack of knowledge and lack of experience to be in a fight of that magnitude in those deep waters to be on the floor in the 11th in a close one to say I'm leaving nothing to chance and he went out and put his foot down I think look I've really I've come away you know thought feeling love with here here in that one as well but I think take it take is the special talent I think he's the one that they're really pushing they're matching him quite tough he's a world champion now he's not getting any favors but he's got to work for it and he's a close fight a really enjoyable fight if you ever watched it go and watch it I thought we take it I think it was Ryan Dills said it with me he's done enough in the first half of the fight he's banks enough round and it's true he had and although the knockdown was a knockdown how would you have scored that round Mattie just in your opinion so if you take the way that that teqi finished the round on that one I think it would have been a teqi round there you go and with the knockdown what did you call it yeah at that point in time with the way that they set the rules you got a score at 10 8 but I would normally have scored that round at 9 before they stepped in correct I agree he was very similar to the last round in Tyson and the on tape one with me it was like yeah that was on hard knockdown you know like but that was very definitely owned to the rest of that round it was that was unreal that was honestly one of the craziest things I've ever seen in the 12th round in my entire life and and at the end of that round it's very hard to say this is a 10 8 so I think I think you know it was a brilliant fire if you ever watched it go and watch it I had teqi in the words of Ryan Dills he'd just done enough in the first half of the fight he's banked enough round I'm the I'm agreement with that and I thought he nicked it by about two rounds but he was a close fight a brilliant fight and I'm really looking I'm really enjoying teqi's journey I've been watching for you last three and he's never let me down he's just telling I'll tell you again like the Japanese really have this this weight division just kind of owned at this point in time and I would like to see a teqi against Nakatani I mean talk about the battle the uppercuts that one yeah that could be a very very fun fight as well there's a lot that they can they can make over there I mean there's a reason I'm waking up at you know four or five o'clock in the morning to watch these fights I'm like I ain't missing this it's not happening well so we get over here sort of half past nine all the way through to meet day on a truthy on a truthy morning yeah with lunch honestly we're in the gym or you're playing a bit of tennis and you're telling people around you you've got to watch this card and a lot of these guys they are you know boxing when AJ comes to town or you know they talk about then it's gonna say no this is actually happening this is current these guys are the best in the business and you got guys from the gym sitting down with a coffee absolutely and thrilled with these cards I think in a new way card is an event now and it's something in the UK that we'll be looking forward to we people booking time off work or people moving their hours around to accommodate it I love the Japanese cards oh yeah they're fantastic and and let's see here also on this one and you you call this one pretty much exactly there does you smell burroso hardest he might have tried and I didn't see this one so I'm just gonna nurse it over to you and hope you saw it but he he could not keep defying age you know he didn't do it in the face this time can't do it in the ring either with Japanese Andy I'm gonna call him he wrote it Andy Heroka winning by a ninth round stoppage in that one how did the how did the young hundred forty pound prospect look there well he's not been overly active we spoke about this little fight last week and I always get it whenever I think of Ishmael burroso I think of you because you know you always you've always got a bit of a thing for a burroso and he's a fighter fighter he's a boxing fan favorite and we all know why I mean this guy was going in at twenty five four and two and of his twenty five wins twenty three by knockout I mean that's a phenomenal record isn't it I mean that's Julian Jackson type stuff right well the entity he goes he takes this purse he goes back and he lives in the third world country like a king and he comes in a year later like he's got it made I just think he's hit the end of the road at this time I mean I still remember him coming over to y'all's neck of the woods and he fought Anthony Crawler didn't he and he crawler yeah he did and but like you think about this guy he like you say it's a third world country you you you wonder how he gets himself in this type of shape and how he knows as much as he knows and of his twenty five wins twenty three by KO and this guy's done it all around the world I mean like if there was a category in the Hall of Fame for this type of road warrior he'd be first ballot I wouldn't be he's that good I mean like he really is a fight fans fighter you wonder if he would have moved from Venezuela and and and decided he wanted to fight more often become more of a full time fighter because I mean in his age you know around having around thirty fights it's just not much so you're just curious because he's been able to lean on that left hand in his pretty much his entire career and a great weapon it is and he'll catch you out I mean if you look pronounce the Japanese kid's name for me Mattie alright I probably got it wrong too but Andy Hiroca I think or it would be Hiroca one of the two can I call him Andy I yep I'm gonna call him Japanese Andy we've got Andy P we've got fat Andy Ruiz and we've got Japanese Andy so so Japanese Andy he's not been overly active and but they're keeping him warm and I said to you last week didn't I that the Japanese are quite fair and honorable people so they'll keep a fight competitive but they'll always have the age and they had youth they had punch I mean Japanese Andy was twenty four and oh nineteen by way of he was hot as well and they've brought Boroso over we don't we don't know how Boroso travels we don't know how he was prepared we don't quite know all these things we we're not going to be privy to but what we do know is that Japanese Andy would have been on point and when you throw in when you throw the factor in of Boroso's age it really does make you think if if Boroso can pull this one off it would be absolutely it wouldn't get a credit for it but we will know as boxing fans what a magnificent achievement it would be but early on in the fight I could see that Japanese Andy was just he was too live he was too proactive he knew I'm the governor and I'm not going to let you get a foot in this and we've seen Boroso get a foot in the fight with Roly we saw him get a foot very early in the fight and and set traps for Ohara Japanese Andy weren't playing that game and he was very very proactive he's got good hands lots of energy as you'd expect and I wasn't at all surprised I thought this was a big big ice for Boroso but I'm not saying Boroso can't come again in fact expect to see him again because he got beat by a good fighter and I think Japanese Andy goes on to be another good Japanese kid that stacks out these anyway cards it's it's interesting to see where he might go from here at 140 pound division so it's not like there's the incredible depth of talent all and a huge amount of potential foes for him in Japan so you know we might get to see him fit into you know our own conversations and what happens stateside with 140 pound division be interesting to see if he if he plays at this point in time because you can't knock that win considering the fact that you know Roly got you know was handed a victory with him over him by Tony weeks it was absolutely ridiculous and then what he did to Davies was just ridiculous and and even though Roly did it over nine rounds and Davies did it over one the idea was that you have these guys who have everything that comes with youth on their spot on their side they can they can outspeed him they can be more active and keep his hands at home the one thing you can't do is be tentative with this fighter and both of them did and they both in their own way paid the price for him and Andy apparently didn't didn't play the tentative game with them and and that's how you beat an old fighter at the end of the day you you you go out there and you make them look old I agree on and you you know that Mattie that was a great summing up Japanese Andy was proactive he did not allow Baro so to set traps he didn't walk Baro he walk into Baro so he didn't allow Baro so to slow the pace down fight it the way he wanted to fight it I think it was Japanese Andy was too proactive too young too heavy handed and showed us too much energy but I agree with you I think we'll see more of Baro so because I don't think this loss is something you can say what that means you're out of it now I think Baro so has been being by a good fighter a good champion on a way soil so I think we'll see more of Baro so because I think he's got a formula at works and I think promoters would bring him in to test an upper coming fighter that's probably at that just before they get to world level or just on a cusp of winning the world title on that point Simon Hill when the chat is confusing Ishmael Baro so who is a very good Venezuelan boxer with Jorge Lenaris it was a brilliant Venezuelan boxer Jorge Lenaris was who Kevin Mitchell boxed yeah there's a Lenaris spent a good time of a good amount of time over there a lot of fights very very similar guys into got the lot of similar traits both traveled both done in the soil will but whereas Baro so was a very good Venezuelan boxer Jorge Lenaris was a brilliant Venezuelan boxer and probably a first ballot holder frame if he if he did if he had better better chin god knows where he could have gone I mean he just you just get knocked out by the most random people you could ever imagine you know it's supposed to be just a you know some sort of a turnover fighter something like that you're like you got knocked out and around about the shit well there I think I think yeah I think Lenaris is still one of them guys it's one bit of a free weight world champion anyone all these titles on the road very very good fire Jorge Lenaris and if if anybody wants to remind us of how good Jorge Lenaris was perhaps go back and watch him against Kevin Mitchell and it was a very close fire and Kevin was a very good fire but at the end of that fire Jorge never never had a mark on him he knew how to look off himself in a tough while on that one is Rob will remind people even though he ended up losing in the 10th or 11th round that that fight between Lenaris and Loma Chanko is yes is is you know boxing purest cocaine basically beautiful yeah yeah so yeah he Venezuela interesting guys if they like to partake in being part of the rest of the world god knows where their people could go but that's another discussion for another day real quick note that I almost I almost forgot in the corner of of Yoshiki Taki was former champion Akira Yagashi who was a hell of a good fighter in his own right so I thought that was pretty interesting from the Japanese card anything of all the random things I saw but I caught highlights of this one I figured this would end up as a stoppages kind of an easy pick but it looks like Mr. Camille Bala had it a few moments of his own from the highlights I saw but Jin Sasaki eventually taken him out in the 7th round the Sasaki could really bang and did you see this fight Des? No I never oh my god I caught the last three so when one spoke about I just saw the the the the the highlight reel of it and Sasaki little badass that he is pulled like a Roy Jones like Superman both feet off the ground knock out blow like it finished off ball it was ridiculous my word I think it might be in conversation for knock out of the year just because it was so ridiculous just athletic Sasaki is at 147 pounds now so we'll see how it goes from here but this guy can absolutely punch he's got 17 knockouts and his 18 wins and his his only loss was to Japanese Andy in a fight that I think he was probably supposed to make 140 pounds for but he came in 144 so my hunch is that Sasaki was drained coming into that fight and that is why he might have had struggles with Japanese Andy before he moved up to welterweight so keep your eye on Jin Sasaki because this dude can punch and he's a lot of fun that was yeah he catches the highlights that one does it was a great good one but anyhow caught a couple of main events on friday I didn't watch everything that I could have but there wasn't a whole lot I think that was worth seeing I caught Jose Sapeta stopping I even redcatch in a couple rounds three rounds maybe it went by fast lots of good body work by Zapeta I don't know how much he has left but whatever red catch has left he made Zapeta like a million bucks out there fast and strong it was at 147 pounds I'm sure they'll keep Zapeta around and and try to feed him to a prospect but yeah it was what it was nothing too interesting there and also kevin haylor brown Cuban I think it was in his sixth fight beat john bowser dropped him with a hard body shot in the first but just found his way towards the towards the decision bowser had a few moments but brown just too accurate I think there's just a lot of lara in this kid he might be an orthodox fighter but he has definitely got a lot of erislandi lara about him but he has now I think six and oh in his professional career working his way out of the ladder very quickly and he he actually has a win over the quiet storm the deaf kid julian smith earlier on in both of their careers I think when smith might have been six and one or six and oh or something like that so yeah it's interesting going on at 140 pounds there you will definitely see more of kevin kevin haylor brown but he's not going to be a fan favorite he's not bad by like not entertaining in his own way but there's something to him I guess but anyhow but let's see here and you caught a little bit of a card from the UK what what one did I say did I ask you if you catch a few from yeah you you you you asked me to look at the the Brentwood card which wasn't televised and it was I think I think it might be some of the zone but it was a small promoter and the main event was Elliot well when Lloyd Jamein but I call young debaton harvey smith again shoonjaxon and I like it I like a debut I like to see you know how you had a transfer from the amateur to the pro I like to see how they get on wherever it's over four or six it's a two-sided coinness they they gave harvey smith the debaton kid shoonjaxon who is Norton 23 so and and one draw so in 24 five no one's decided to get him a win which I thought you have to break that up somehow but he's managed to go 24 without winning a fight but he did throw in they did throw harvey in over six rounds so they want to get him going a bit quick um he was smiling he was enjoying it he was engaged with a crowd um all right you can have that one it's your debut but I like to see him a little bit more focused now a bit more professional um a bit more switched on take it a bit more seriously when you're sitting down in the corner it's all eyes on your trainer and you listen to what he's got to say I don't want to see you gesture into the crowd it it's not a party professional boxing is a serious business he's got a hand down style he's quite fluid and loose and he can switch a bit um he's a six-round debut win on point we see how harvey goes from here um the main event Elliott well um against Lloyd Germaine um no it was it was pretty routine for wow I'll come to wow in a minute Lloyd has been matched hard I mean he got beat by Connor Walker in three rounds previously to this um and they're throwing against Elliott well this time round so he's not been matched particularly sensibly or or favorably he's had a hard couple of fights from from where Elliott wells down in um it was it was it was a quick start from both guys there was both friend near punches both lit in their hands go Germaine had a nightmare second round and he never really recovered and then Elliott landed he's right hand far too easily and and that's what stopped him in the third Elliott well he's you British fans will remember uh Lee Markham and Joan Melander roundabout middleweight and although Elliott's a welterweight he reminds me and guy he's 11 and 0 with seven stoppages so he's got a very respectable record but he's still area level um and props we want to keep him near for another two or three so he gets on but at the moment Elliott well is an area level fighter English level fighter and let's just see how that world weight lambsgate works itself over next three or four and then perhaps we'll move they'll move Elliott up to British or Commonwealth level but he's in no rush and he's got a respectable record he's not knocking over killers and he hasn't been pulling up trees but he ain't doing nothing wrong either how old about is he i don't know metty i'll be guessing he looks he looks about 38 but he's probably about 27 but i don't know i'm guessing i'm guessing some of us grow up harder than others yes scut the face of a guy who has seen some shit but but look this this is a kid he's boxing off tv he's boxing on small hall shows he's he's building his career on probably two or three fights a year and he's still a long way off being a British champion or winning a British title so there's time in his room and he's doing nothing wrong but like i say it reminds me a lot of a local kid that's building a record similar to sort of what Dave Allen did similar to what Johnny Fish is doing but he's doing it with a lot more noise and a lot more publicity they're building locally and they're fighting kids that they're never going to beat them and then when they get there we want to see what they're made of and i i'm not sure there's any serious money in earlier i'm not sure there's any serious push but it's a bit like um josh wow and guys like this these guys are the heroes of the small hall shows so we want to see if they can do a uh josh warden can they go from small hall to the bigger card can they go to be in a tv fighter can i go to winning it and owning lonesdale belts and progressing to european level it's a very very long journey i'll go back to it elia's done nothing wrong but he's still got a lot to do yeah and i mean if they're you know bringing them up this way sounds like they're doing the correct thing his opponent sounds like he's been managed absolutely horribly and this guy it sounds like they're moving him along correctly he's still got his oh um and uh he's taking little steps up and it's some people you know have the background the pedigree and the abilities that you know what they'll knock stuff out in ten fights that it might take a guy like this 20 fights but you know it's all about the destination right well so you know the way match makers think and the way managers and promoters and trainers and fighters they they do these they do these sums they do the mathematics of it all so kona walker stopped loa germane in three he'd last fight but kona walker's gone and had a fight a year against lures crocker could have won it so the elia well people are thinking if you can do a better job on loyd than what kona did that kind of puts you we got a gauge so that's the way they play in it so unfortunately loy's been he's had two hard fights but he went into last night nine and two but he's not a puncher so they've picked him for a reason but now they'll they'll balance elia's performance against loyd against kona walker's performance against loyd so they're kind of finding their way in this division and it's a it's always going to be a very talented division 147 domestically uh you know whether it's europe or or internationally so they do they're managing elia quite well but we'll see what the next three or four fights bring could you see him fighting kona walker no i think he'll get beat but having said that having said that he's right hand happy he lies in his hands go but kona walker compunction kona walker's very attractive very aggressive i think the kona walker thought Lewis crocker beat elia well i saw last night but a lot can happen in 18 months and if you keep ticking over if you keep bubbling who knows the sort of fire you can become in 18 months and a sort of fire that other person can drop to so i'd like us then like i think he needs 12 18 months of progressive tick overs and that's a that's a every opponent is better than the last one but it's like like the japanese do it's still very calculated so i think that's how you got look at elia well he's a young kid he's a local kid um i've got to say young i mean young in boxing terms is you know he's he's a 11 pro fight so he's he's still in that sort of area level type range is local i think we've got to see what the next 80 months mean for him perhaps kona walkers a step too far well yeah we'll see where they move along maybe it's you know sometimes they also decide that somebody doesn't got doesn't have it and they feed them to somebody um with uh because there's a nice shiny record on their own right so yeah yeah yeah and time is time is everything in boxing is it magic if you can just and the reason i'm talking so much about it is because when if you go to a small hall show and you see a kid that's got you know 10 and over 11 and over you know it was a reasonable puncher and that that you know you can pick up an area belt and then from an area belt pick up an english belt and then now you know i'm looking at British titles now i'm coming off titles and once you've got them you really are reaching out to a big audience so it's you kind of find yourself when you when you watch a small hall show or you're at a small hall show you find you kind of find yourself if you know boxing and you know the business plotting their their journey and i'm trying to plot Elliot's journey so he's not someone that's pulling up loads of trees he's not come off a GB squad he hasn't got a really fashionable trendy trainer he's not got a deal with a network but he's going a little nicely and the eight next 18 months will be interesting for him well i'm sure we'll see him pop up on another one of these cards in two three months probably two they they seem to move these guys along pretty well to stage over there so can i ask you a question actually sure in in a country of 50 states and each state is like a country and you've got 450 million people do you get boxes like this do you get guys that have off TV they're ticking along nicely but the breakthrough from that step from that to where they need to be on a big top ranked card or a golden boy card or a pbc card is huge do you have do you ever see guys like in America you think how are they going to make this step so the problem like like in the like you know you have all your area titles and and domestic belts and stuff like that and it's and it gives us a gauge it gives us a gauge doesn't it yeah yeah and it's it's not very common for guys to come up without being noticed by big promoters and things like that so like you never like really see anybody who who ends up fighting in a on a you know a zone card or whatever it might be whose path involved winning a state championship even though they do exist in in certain states with you know because each state has their own athletic commissions and stuff so i i think one of the last guys who might have done it kind of that way and got to some bigger fights even though he he didn't excel on the big big stage do you remember brian mento yes i do yeah yeah i thought marco huck and and and a few others but yeah he i think he came up kind of that way in west virginia and there's another guy looking at tommy car pence he might add a little bit of that path too he's fighting oddly enough i haven't even looked at this card um in uh in new zealand brian deal we're expecting you to be our on the ground reporter um so they brought tommy car pency over to new zealand to fight david nika um i don't know who david nika is i've never heard that name in my life um but um kind of staring at that name and i'm like and tommy might have come out that way too um but um yeah you know actually you know i think maybe that cornflake lamana guy might be like because in the east coast a few of those states have it like that but yeah the the um the big promoters just have too many chances to get an eye on these kids before they get into their into any place where they would get like have that kind of journey it seems so i don't know so so for example so let's just say you've got a state and at that state you've got a one and two and that one and two they go down to where his palm springs for the national training squads and they they're in vests now and they're going around the world where was the panamericans or these multi nations they're going around the world what happens to a good kid that's four or five in the state or the good kid that didn't quite get the decisions in the amateurs turned over with that a lot of state titles any state told pretty much like um our Cuban guy that's sort of um never won a national tiling cube i've never been in a major championship but he's really excelling the pros he's gone over to Germany to do it where does that kid in America go you know funny enough uh his name is terence crawford and what the terence didn't win that state titles or he didn't go win a panamericans or he he never he didn't make it onto the olympic squad i mean he had some national titles and stuff like that but he just kind of went on to the radar when he went pro and his fight with british Prescott was i think his first fight with top rank and he came in late notice Prescott was supposed to fight so many totally different right Crawford came in at like two weeks notice and and then he he he was able to to get uh you know the powers to be you know behind him and get him the opportunities but yeah that's kind of the story of terence crawford yeah interesting i i find i find american boxing from amateurs to pros for the kids that weren't stand out i find it fascinating particularly when you see when you talk about how vast america is with the 50 states and the 450 million people you think where does this third or fourth kid go you know like how did they get noticed and you you know i'm trying to think of the guys now that we've seen that have built these brilliant records but they've never come out of state as pro in about like 25 and 0 or you know 30 and 0 and then when they step up they get beat but i wonder where that kid goes but say for example the john roidor in america where does ego but i think you've just answered it yeah well there was there it was in the united states i well maybe it was from texas but i think he was from waras mexico there was a heavy weight named david rodriguez who built up a record of like 35 and 0 before fighting anybody with a pulse you know we get a lot of em in american don't we because you don't leave your state you know you might have a goddess and i've boxed in michigan you know just 25-35 and we don't quite know how good they are yeah it's kind of funny like the only equivalent like of where that kind of seems to happen like you can't get away with that in the uk like on the area level and whatever i don't get found out but like if you're you know fighting in some former soviet country in eastern europe you get some of those guys and you see them in a ring when you know they're they finally get into the rankings against somebody that you know kind of matters and you're like how the hell did they find 35 people for this guy to beat and you go through their record and it's been oh they they fought their entire career in in Bulgaria against guys who were like two and 26 i remember someone saying to me once that you know guys you know we've had really good fighters like clinton woods who was a really good fighter and perhaps in america he'd have been lost he wouldn't we wouldn't have got out of state because we're such a smaller we're a microcosm of you guys so we've got that lovely journey of you in an area built so now you're on the map now you step up to british title comorov title european title you're on the map but sometimes to pick up what you said they're exactly right you can assert 25 30 35 fights in your own state and there's no gauge of no measure to tell us how good you are so we don't really know until you turn up on a big show or you'll be important with someone that's a real hot prospect and you've got this brilliant 25 and 0 30 you know record but then we find out no you're not as good as we fall but good but the opposite side to that is we could lose kids as well because there's some really good kids that win that don't win state titles there's some good kids that come third or fourth that you know for example over here um if george groves and james to gale box each other when the first ran into their national championships someone's got to go out but where does that kid go in america because it's such a big conflict that was the point i was trying to make well you know and it's it's such an issue i think of confidence and stuff for a lot of these guys too if you go through box rec you will find it littered with people who retire with one loss on their career never to be seen again and it's just they were brought up the wrong way they ran into an experienced opponents who just sucked their confidence away from them and they never got it back they might have went back in the gym but they were gun shy and and they didn't like the way they were holding the shot anymore and they just they just gave it up i i i told this story before a friend of mine was a really good amateur and he never had a style to you know he never had that point scoring style and although he won tireless in the amateur he was never really going to be sent around the world because his style would have been found out over over at the time it was four twos so he turned pro with frank maloney and i remember the conversation frank maloney said i've got you an opponent he's an ex footballer never boxed and he got beat the ex footballer beat him but ex footballer was wayne elcock who went on to have a really good career for some and and and my friend never boxed again as a sometime you can run into the wrong opponent at a wrong time that's a very good point it's a good story mate yeah it's uh it but you know the thing about it is when it happens to them though it shows and it's nothing against them as people it's just against them as a boxer it shows that they just don't have something when it comes to the mental strength that it takes to keep going you know there there's guys who uh who you know end up like retiring 11 and 1 because they took that defeat and then there's guys who win a championship when they're you know 30 and 7 and there's guys who uh keep a basically a 500 record and they go in there and they love every minute of it like a manual Augustus right and it's because there's people who are born to be boxers and there's people who just happen to find their way into a ring for a period of time and it's very different my my cool band former WBO anyway champion in the world he he was an outstanding amateur in America i think he won in middle at the world and i think he won a pan american and when he turned over i think he won five national titles as an amateur in america and he turned over with Manish steward and i think he lost his debut and he put it down and he picked it back up years later and won a world title but you're quite right sometimes you just run into the wrong opponent yeah i think i mean Bernard Hopkins lost his debut fight i think one man one man while Marquez lost his you know there's all sorts of guys who who went that way in and so there's just a certain desire in some people to you know like i'm you know gonna make this happen and some of it is you know an intent desire to make something out of boxing and some people is they have nowhere else to go if they're not doing something in the ring or what are they gonna do go cook burgers you know or you know or sling tacos as your country might be um fried chips whatever you know whatever it's you know they're like no i'll just i'll just keep fighting and the thing like and i don't know what the purses are like for a lot of these guys you know you guys have a lot of those um real uh like trial horse guys who are who are just there for fighters as they're coming up you know the guys that have like a record of like 12 and 92 like you know and it's like i don't know what they get paid to do what they do and i i don't know if they get paid for their gym work i i don't know how that whole financial structure works for them but most of them seems like in somewhere another they make their living um as boxers well that's it and well i'll tell you so a lot of these journeymen make more money than the prospects because really journeymen come yeah because a journeyman might fight four rounders and get paid two grand so you get two thousand pound for a four rounder but you're being brought in not to beat the prospect but the deal is i'm not going to let this prospect stop me so you get out maybe three times that month now you run into say four to six grand a month now if you times are over 12 you want a good yearly income now if you do that over five years it's a good return and that's why they get so pissed off when they get stopped standing up because then they have to take a required break they take a month off and it and it hits their numbers and if you ever look at the best journeyman at and we we've got some brilliant journeymen like so in british boxing journeymen are really well respected because we know what they do for the game and we know important after the game try to explain the role of a journeyman to someone that doesn't know boxing they can't believe it like so used to sports being competitive when you say this guy has been brought in he's not really going to win in fact if if this journeyman looked like he was beating this guy that sold 300 tickets and has come out the images they're three or four national titles the promoter might give the corner a funny look and say what's he doing and that has happened in the past journeymen are not there to us i've seen promoters go up to cornermen and and i've looked at them and said what's your guy i think he's doing if he wants to be in work on one of my shows again he'll stop hitting my kid that's the role of the journeyman you were there to give the kid rounds now so let me ask a question here real quick so when you see these guys with with those journeymen records and you know they got 25 losses in a row and then there's some like random KO2 is that because they said fuck it i'll surpass a paycheck for the next month this kid pissed me off i'm beating the shit out of him no no so the British boxing board of control will intervene if a kid has got too many losses on his record so what you tend to do is you tend to say look we're going to lose 15 16 fights on the road but then we're going to get you a win so you put that journeyman against another journeyman and it's almost like a you know a handshake deal i guy is going to win because he needs a win on his record to keep the board of control off his back and he'll probably make a short purse that night then right correct it's just getting him out and getting him a W right so now if you keep rolling on for getting these three losses every month but then three losses come maybe 15 hundreds to two and a half grand a fight times three a month but don't forget as well a journeyman sometimes might fluctuate from four weights so sometimes you might get the trainer might get a phone call saying our guys pulled out we really need to save this show our kids sold a lot of tickets can your guys step in and look at what i've done it's two weights what we're normally boxing that i'll give you x amount so if you're used to getting two grand a fight the promote might say about give you four thousand three hundred just to save the show and i'll break even tonight rather than have to give all the money back and do me a deposit so sometimes that can happen so when you're a journeyman you're hanging around and you're floating around and you're taking two three fights a month and it's a really good income and you think over the course of five years we're not you're not going to compete with somebody's guys that are fighting for world titles or or some of these guys have got big contracts we're not saying that but for a lot of these prospects that are having to sell tickets having a trainard having to fight live opponents when they get outside of the journeyman stage trying to finish win area titles and english titles sometimes you look at the journeyman i look like there's been loads of stories where journeymen have got like a really good property portfolio or they're turning up to their fights in really fresh motors because they're the ones that are running the money at that stage so there's open the uk we really hold journeymen in very high regard you know that's the trick because i mean you could feasibly make between probably you know 50 and 80 000 pounds a year doing that yeah 100 grand a year 150 grand a year yeah so somebody's journeymen have got 300 fights under their bill some of them have got 200 bouts and they're really good fighters now to look after themselves if you've got in the ring with them you wouldn't land a clean punch and then he's all and like and then you measure them you say let's look at the real good fighters like the Nigel Benz and the Nazim Hammers that could crack and then you measure and you see the guys that they've booked and they managed to stop the journeyman it's never been stopped in 100 fights you think right that that's when you know you've got a real good one but most journeymen and we know how to look after themselves most journeymen turn pro thinking i'll have a good career then after four or five fights realize it ain't gonna happen for me so i'm going to go into journeyman mode and that's when you sort of you take your training accordingly and you take fights accordingly and you know you realize you know there's no ego in this for me i'm not selling tickets i'm not running around trying to please everybody i'm not trying to take on the next line coming along i'm literally going to turn up do four or six rounds pick up me money and i'll be out again in 10 days 14 days and you probably wouldn't want to spar too much at that point in time just because you wouldn't want to take much damage you probably would just want to like stay as you said you fight through four different weight classes so you just like do your best to kind of stay and thank you body sparring they do body sparring and they're not on their toes they're not they're not being proactive they're not looking for gaps setting traps it says it's a complete different mindset but it's one to be respected will never ever disrespect a journeyman on this part you know because people in Britain we really respect our journey but we know how hard they work we know what they go through and we know how important they are to the game but most anyone that's been involved in boxing knows a good journeyman is probably well you know it's very hard to gauge you know top to bottom of boxes in this country but in terms of financial rewards and what they're earning journeymen are their pitch right in the middle they're doing well a good journeyman does very well in this country hey you just yeah you move well you keep a high guard and you live to fight another day correct exactly what they do yeah and then you know and then there's just some guys that play that role differently again I just you got to love Emmanuel Augustus he's one of those people where if he ever got a real training camp and he wanted to get a win he'd probably beat you yeah he wasn't a journeyman he was a good fighter and he fought and good fighters beat him so we have seen this you know I think um someone mentioned Yossi of Al Ham albi and guys like Peter McDonough and I'm trying to think about they're not journeymen they're really good fighters but they've not been managed properly they've not had the opportunity perhaps they're not sold enough tickets and for whatever reason their record don't reflect how good they are but them guys are good fighters and they become gatekeepers so like you get someone like a Peter McDonough they say well we're going to put you in with Peter to see how good you really are because you're talking about fighting for European titles and retaining British titles and moving on you've got to beat the likes of Peter McDonough to prove to us that you're worth investing in and if you're not as good as they say you are a guy like Peter McDonough will find you out which he has done you know he's beaten many a good kid so they're not journeymen they're good fighters and their records don't suggest it but if you know boxing you know they're good they are but it's quite a few in them and you know boxing you know I remember when Danny Williams books Julius Francis and they kind of pitched free fights before that they pitched Julius as a journeyman but he wasn't he was just a good fighter that was fighting much better fighters than him but if you put him level gave him 12 weeks you've got a hard fight in front of you and Julius Reynolds have a really good career win British and Commonwealth titles so there's loads of them in British boxing so you have the journeyman you have a gatekeeper you have a prospect you have a contender yeah it's funny I was just thinking it's funny it's it's hard when you think of not seeing them I had to say can you compare anybody else can say anybody had a style kind of like that and the Emmanuel Augustus you honestly I'm sorry to go back to that one you honestly can't actually say that and it was almost when they were on their game entirely it's almost like they fought to like a hip-hop rhythm wasn't it it was just it was their own thing and it was like playing in their head and you're just you're their unwilling dance partner it was fun to watch well we had similar to Emmanuel Griffith not in style but in out-the-box technique wacky thinking and it was Peter Oboe and if anyone does remember Peter Oboe he was a British and Commonwealth light heavyweight champion and there's a fabulous story goes back to the then it's Lewis Jim where I think the Sali Jirov was the brilliant Olympic champion and Cruiserweight champion before he run into James Tony he was he was sparring he was working with I think it was Jeff Hennick and Jirov's sparring partner never turned up and Peter Oboe was sleeping upstairs in one of the dormitories and they wrote Peter up and said come down we need some sparring and Peter gave Vasily a really good hiding over five rounds literally kicked the dividend living daylights out of him so did a type of guy and that's sort of it that's an Emmanuel Augustus story well who does who does God rest his soul who does Roger Mayweather say that Floyd's hardest opponent was he's so Emmanuel Augustus because we all know he's real and he gets it and he remembers where Floyd was physically and mentally at that time and he said the Emmanuel Gutters fight turned Floyd into a man it made him realize this is a type of guy you've got to beat to get where you need to be I totally get that I understand that point everyone was Peter Oboe seemed a very similar thing yeah and I mean Floyd turned it up in that fight like there wasn't a whole heap and loaded guys who who got a good got a clean stoppage over Augustus but he really turned it on and he was landing some clean shots down the stretch and Augustus was a hard guy to land clean on I mean he was you know you might have outworked him probably because he let you because he was brought in as opponent and again he wanted to be able to work the next month in the case of the how things kind of work in the United States I think but he wasn't going to let you hit him clean he was he was always rolling everything it's he and he's slipping straight punches fun guy to watch it's just some fighters fight with a rhythm it like a real rhythm and I think they can hear it in their heads whether they say it or not and they just start moving to it in their own way and it's and you can't catch up to it because you're not hearing the same song in your head if if you go against the guys like peter oboe like a manual gutter if you've been looked after if they've paved the way for you if you've got any type of fragility mentally physically emotionally if if if you can go into the sixth round of a 10 round fight behind on the cars and not now now you're going to do this they're the wrong guys to be boxing again because they're utterly ruthless and they're ticked tough and they've got this demonic presence about and they're like they're not going away you're not going to act tough and you're not going to act fight them you're not going to act strong and they would they would engage keepers what we're talking about Mattie that if you're going to get to that next level you've got to get past this guy they're perfect examples of it a manual after us and peter over well they they create some absolute gems of fights when you know over the years to um Augustus when he was still a manual Burton when he fought Mickey Ward that was that was a war yeah all right so um but anyhow I'm trying to think we got maybe uh yeah I think we can start getting these so there's a handful of different fights going on this week here let's see here we have a pro box card going on on Wednesday this one I think this one is going to be the goods at least on paper here got Lester Martinez he's a Guatemalan puncher he beat Carlos Gungor in his last fight he's taken on Joe Sean James who's 9 0 and 2 his draws against pretty decent competition though he's also a puncher and he's got eight stoppages to his credit you got Vladimir Hernandez who is always capable of a win except for at the very highest levels he's going in against Raul Garcia who is 13 1 and 1 he might have the better record but he might not come away with the W there he's a puncher too 11 KOs to his credit there let's see here his last fight was a split decision loss to Leonardo Ruiz oh that was on a pro box card there but that was last year he's been out of the ring for an entire year he also has a draw to Robert Terry who has been in that overtime boxing tournament who I actually thought won his match against the Greek cat but unfortunately took a defeat there so this yeah that's a very interesting fight on paper as well there let's see here Jacob Gomez 10 0 and 1 taken on Jerry Perez Jerry Perez despite his 14 4 and 1 record he is pretty quality fighter he is 0 3 and 1 in his last four though see who uh that was all been against this year again another fighter who hasn't fought since last year yeah he lost to Justin Paul though on pro box that's right I got stopped by him which was uncommon for him because he's usually been pretty steady uh to do yeah Michelle Rivera he's fought that he lost to Jojo Diaz that's almost embarrassing at this point in time Diaz has definitely seen better days so that one might not be as good there uh Gomez with one draw on his record only uh no no defeats see here who draw much earlier in his career here yeah I would I would I would think I mean unless Jerry had a problem that he's resolved I think that that one might be decided there oh there we go thank god are you okay can you hear me again okay I'm having some problems here too many windows and stuff is going crazy on me so we can hear you actually we can hear you mate see you hear me okay thank god yeah I can hear you okay fortunately yeah I can't hear close any windows here there we go thank god okay I think we might have actually cleared that one my god Fox Wreck runs too many damn scripts I'll tell you that much but so uh that was worrisome good god um so uh yeah that is gonna be a good pro box card there on Wednesday you guys can check it out when you wake up on a Thursday morning there um let's see here um gonna have a zone card it's a Dimitri Salita card that's gonna have archreal homes against Hugo Noriega on that one that one despite Noriega being uh two and two in his last four fights um it's been against pretty decent competition and he's a Cuban fighter our drill homes not much of a puncher there and it's you get into a boxing match for the Cuban you might be in some trouble there so we'll see how that one goes a little bit of an interesting main event there um also Joseph Hicks 10 and 0 taking on another 10 and 2 fighter in Roy Austin so Salita that's a better than what he's been putting on in some of his recent mid-week cards those uh the matchmaking on those has been lessons stellar this is uh definitely a step up in my opinion for Dimitri so glad to see that one this card is under the radar and I hope you guys will put it on your radar because I think it's going to be pretty good um we have a fight on here between undefeated Julio Poras Ruiz against Isak Torres 11-0 versus 10-0 that could be an interesting one we have 23-0 Sergio Mendoza Cordova against Angel Ramos Serrano who is 32-1 and 2 and is apparently undefeated in his last six fights here at Flyweight um but that is all just appetizer for this main event which I think could be an absolute banger uh we got Eduardo Rocky Hernandez taking on Thomas Matisse uh who has been in there with some very very good fighters is quite a puncher in his own right um I think that this fight is uh going to be a uh potentially even considering the big pay-per-view card on Saturday Des I think this could end up being the fight of the week yeah I think so I think it looks good um I'm gonna let you talk about this man because this is your territory and I want to hear what you've got to say about the main event well the my my concern with Hernandez a little bit is that he's just looked a little bit slower recently it was never the fastest fighter but he has looked a little bit slower like that fight uh with uh uh Foster really took something out of there sorry sorry Tintra I'm not asked you to turn it about it but you think the first you think the foster result because he was meant to win that one and that was that was built I mean I remember Eddie talking about that fight it was laid on for Hernandez do you think that getting beat that night in front of his own crowd on his own soil silly as me tiggers he did do you think that would have affected him oh yeah I I think that that was a tough one to come back from he did have a W his last time out but if I recall it was a pretty difficult fight let me go back and see if it's not it's not look comfortable since the foster fight yeah let's see here yeah he fought against uh yeah Daniel Lugo um yeah I don't remember that he looked that fantastic in that fight I know he didn't know he didn't know he got a stop yeah he was going through the motions and he didn't he didn't like come out of first gear but I just wonder because I look yeah sometimes I fight like foster and we talk we spoken about kids that whenever fans said kids that come out of the state third or fourth choice and they somehow circumnavigate to the top again and I think foster is one of them guys and I think Hernandez was laid on to beat foster and he had a you know he really dropped the ball in that that night and I'll just wonder is will he struggle to recapture on a type of promise that a lot of people thought we had I think let me tell you this one I have not I haven't seen the odds for this one yet I don't think they're out at this point in time but I'm actually going to say that Matisse beats him so so Matisse and it's he's an interesting fighter I mean he's he can he can box a bit he's pretty lanky for the weight he's he's five nine but he's got a 73 inch reach you know I mean that's just over six foot um he's he's he's he's a sizable 130 pound fighter and his the defeats on his career he lost a ud to Luis Melendez who was 16 and one at the time I don't know what he's done since then I'm trying to think maybe the name of his bell he lost a majority decision to uh ESAT Cruz and he lost a unanimous decision to Will Madera um uh you know two of those cards by 75 77 so I mean that was a round away from a draw um so I mean he he and that was you know five years ago and he's uh he's a more capable fighter now I think I mean 34 I mean he might not be a little bit past his prime but he can punch a bit and this runny's on is pretty good he you know a couple of nondescript wins but after the Melendez fight but then he beat the undefeated uh Christian Tapia and then he beat the undefeated Romero Susana coming back to win by a tenth round uh TKO down on all three cards and then uh uh after doing that uh they uh he beats Cesar Juarez um who is a capable fighter who's been in with a lot of good uh opponents um taking him in the last out in the last round of their fight too so I don't know I I really could see an upside I think that he's gonna be the underdog but I could see Matisse being a um being an upset winner here I really could I agree with what you said there and and if you look at Matisse's record what's like we can't we can't I'll ask that question in a minute but if you look at his record there's a lot of narrow win losses that it could have gone the other way and even the um the eyes it cruised one that was a majority decision over ten so I think the only thing is what he hasn't got gone from he doesn't seem to be um he seems to be someone that can be got out now I don't know if Hernandez is that guy to get him but this is going to be a tough test for Hernandez what's what's Cleveland like as a boxing area Matisse where did Sean Porter come from you recall I don't remember where Sean Porter came from but I mean you got to think like the greater Ohio area I mean that's Jared Anderson Adrienne Broner Robert Easter I mean even a young in the Youngstown is as Cali Pavlick so it's you know there's plenty of good fighters there's a whole habit yeah they've got a good they've got a good they've got quite a high bar and you know high riff and I'm certain someone in a check can correct me I'm certain Sean Porter and Kenny Porter come from Ohio as well that's why they knew Adrienne Broner so well they come from the same place our same state um yeah that would make sense because I don't think like they would talk to him like willingly otherwise like yeah no so so so the point I'm making is Matisse says he's no mug he's a mature age he's had he's had some hard fights he's fought some good kids he's lost them very close ones that could have gone the other way yeah I think if if Hernandez is anything like I saw last time out and if he drops the ball like he did it again so faster I think it's the one that could catch him out I totally agree with you yeah and I think it'll be fun but well last I could see both guys touching canvas again like like I said I think that this is going to potentially be the the fight of the of the week here but but we'll see that that's going to be coming up on to zone on on Friday and I'm gonna I'm gonna try to hold off on the Canelo card just for a bit here because Ayam said he's coming he's headed back home I don't know how long of a drive that is but hopefully it's a short one so let's I'm just kind of pulling a couple of things out of hat from this week one is that that the Johnny Fisher is not going to be fighting his fight against for Janko and this is this like the third time that this fight has been pulled I don't know um he'll still be on the car he'll still be on the show because he's he's such a ticket so and they're building him but yeah perhaps they've got to move past this one now mate I said I said this before look the Johnny Fisher story is a good one and it's an exciting one and it's one we can all get behind this is what Billy Walker looks like in 2024 he's a ticket seller he's he's not afraid to put himself out there he's got people around him banging the drum and they're doing all types of weird and wacky marketing and promoting um the hardest thing to do with Johnny Fisher is to get him rounds because you've got to try and match make it so that he's got the advantage over the opponent but we don't want him to keep laughing kids out in the first two or three rounds because when Johnny Fisher gets there we need to know that he's capable of getting over 10 into the 12 round fighting range we need to know that if he's behind on the cards he's got it in a lock up to turn it around when someone hits him on the whiskers what they're going to be like what she's going to be like so there's so much we've got to find out about Johnny Fisher yes he's exciting yes he's going to be a fun ride nothing against the kid at all he's seen you know he's a good trainer and a good gym i like the promotion behind him it's not my cup of tea and i don't get involved in all that type of stuff but i get it you're banging a drum for your kid but the hardest thing to do with Johnny Fisher is to get him experience to get him rounds um Redenco would have done that but unfortunately he's pulled out so maybe he's got a move past that now and i was going to say like do you think that he's nearing any point in his career where he could compete with the winner of uh of worldly and clarky uh the rematch there no no no absolutely no absolutely not no no we're near no we're near i think Johnny Fisher is going to be them that unique boxer that needs 35 before he fights for a British title or and it's not it's not unusual they might bypass the method of boxing similar to what they're done with kind of then they might bypass it and that and that will upset a lot of British fight fans that you know you want to see fighters go to traditional route because it's our measuring stick matters it's what we gauge kids on i think i might got some details wrong people i'm here to be corrected but when Johnny Fisher won the area of title we boxed a kid called harry armstrong and harry armstrong is a type of opponents you want katonic fisher they're going to get you into the seven eight nine round territory they're going to take your shot learn from it and you're not going to land that shot again for another two or three rounds you've got to find other punches you've got to pull other things out of the book you've got to start thinking and that's what you need for Johnny Fisher the problem is at domestic level there aren't loads of kids like that so you you you're bouncing from one extreme to the other and i think if you're going to pitch it at what you just said clark or mowgli david adelade um atoma no them guys i know we're there were another planet to Johnny Fisher and that's not to be disrespectful it's just we're Johnny Fisher is at the moment a good fight for Johnny Fisher and i think me and i thought the lads have spoke about this before you kind of want to get Johnny Fisher in it to make it you know recognizable for people someone like nick web someone's going to turn up and give you three good rounds and then Johnny Fisher got to navigate through them three rounds and to see what you can do in the next three so you might get five to six rounds at a and nick web then you want to pull out some like a bathe valent someone who's going to turn up if he gets ten weeks notice it's going to turn up in reasonable shape and he's going to give you six to eight rounds and if you're not a you're best he might tag you so that's how you you know and then you've got to look at a solid acres at the guys that have won domestic titles and then you've got to look at maybe like a i know if you've done if you've done uh nick web day valent solid acres then we can talk about maybe maybe a david adelade where is he sitting at the moment then you can talk about when you if you come for all of them let's look at a British title if you haven't already got one and let's look at maybe who's just outside the european level but it's a long journey for Johnny Fisher and that i said it was so many times the artist pole be getting rounds for him so they're going to bring in guys that are going to be durable someone is going to stand up for six to eight rounds and you're not going to throw a lot back but you'll keep Johnny thinking but they're very hard to come by these guys yeah you're you're really choosing from a really narrow pool of fighters at that point and you are you are and then sorry mattie good but when you when if you go when if you go um British the kids want to beat Johnny Fisher they fancy it you know that they fancy it so if you said that by valent you've got Johnny Fisher in 12 weeks by valent will fancy that now i'm not saying they valent should beat Johnny Fisher it all stacked in Johnny Fisher's flavour but they've got to take that risk isn't they the people behind Johnny Fisher have got to take the risk with him and that's and that's what when you when you're when you're when you're when you're juggling balls like this to bringing up a heavy weight you sell an awful lot of tickets who might be able to sell out you know a small football stadium in the next two years if you get the right fight you want to you want to you want to do it just right and match making the artist part of this well i mean if he's if he does have a torn bicep i mean i don't think we're going to see him fight for the rest of this year probably so uh fisher that is correct so it's you know you can't you don't want to waste too much time in your career but it's not good when a fighter's body is breaking down at the young at a young age i don't think what he's not even 25 is he he's like well now let's assume he went to school he went to college he'd done a university i don't know how old he is from perfectly honest but you've got to assume he's 24 25 26 as a as a guess yeah it's it's not good when your body's breaking down like that at a at a young age and stuff because i mean something like advice up i mean that's probably not even your body breaking down that's probably over training training incorrectly lifting incorrectly um you know all all those kind of things throw in a punch directly i'll i'll tell me advice at once because someone put their elbow up and it just cut from your bicep you know it can happen and and it it will be a period of recovery it's got to be ripped it's got to repair you've got to recover you've got to get fit so it's probably lost this year unless unless like get him out in december i mean it's only three or four months away now december it comes so quick it's probably not going to happen this year and then again you you're bringing someone in it's going to get knocked over in the first round and you're wasting camp on these knock over jobs and i i just i just don't think that i've always said it for a kid like johnny fish the hardest thing to do is match make him because you you're looking after you try to look after something that's very precious he's a he's a a white heavy way who shows an awful lot of tickets or looks like he can punch you've got to protect that boxing promoters will want to protect that but it's very hard to batch back them along the way yes i mean we've been talking that's come up a few times today the the art of matchmaking and it in it really is an art but we we sorry sorry to interrupt you mate we talk about um you know people have said they which has always passed it they won't put johnny fish and now we're near december many people have said you know the riserie things about simon keen they won't put johnny fish in his simon keen shewie fury he's the forgotten man of boxing they won't put him now we're near hewie fury so where do you put johnny fissure where do you put him if if if you know they won't put johnny fish in his david adelade so you're looking at maybe the likes of the nathan gorman's or the cash alleys fair enough but it is is still of a level and if i'm wrong i hope i'm proven wrong but for the next 12 month i can't see him coming past the day valance the cash alleys the nathan gorman's and that's if we get to see them implies that's i i almost think when it comes to judging prospects i uh have you ever seen the movie the jerk with steve martin in 1980 no it's fantastic he's getting ready to head off to the big city and his dad tells him this is shit and this is shinola so you got another difference between shit and shinola so we might have a second on the show forever you know every couple of months becomes prospects call it shit and shinola rob what do you think about that one and it's shit and shinola is is that the way we should judge prospects whatever the fuck are going on about yeah are you eating a sandwich no i'm eating them hot chili nuts paws i didn't know that they brought to flavor to uh to ireland i'm glad to hear that i brought all flavored iron baby well we might also we also might have uh aims joining us he's uh trying to make it i think we really spread it out you might i'm going to go through the uh the people in the chat here thank them for for stopping in got uh captain casual ray allen cmb uh let's see here all that uh paul raffery uh in there take games obviously uh see here tom is newman stopping by yimme yappy jan m just asking where everybody went though simon hill porkies corner possibly if right big porkies corner account and we're hoping uh let's see her welshmurs in there as well m let's go i don't know if i said him michael tomsen beat bob boop as well uh and uh yeah so we thank everybody for dropping in the chat there today rob were you able to catch in a way just i want to be managed to catch him um he's fucking magic like isn't he um kind can't say i'm surprised by the result of the outcome um i did do ireland wasn't in a state of shock i don't think most of ireland knew what the fucking thing was happening to be honest with you um it is a shame it's a real shame we spoke a little before for the he/me that the man in the street doesn't even know who he is you know that really like it's um and he definitely hasn't obviously crossed over to the casual maggot so but while he can operate at world world level um there's difference between world class and world level like in any way his world class fighter like fucking rightfully in the mix between one and two and most people's pound for pound scary picture spoke about his technique before the way he's manages the distance he's a predator he's an exciting fighter and probably the best outcome for dahini was that something like that happened where he got an injury to the back and got out before he had to share too much punishment because he wasn't going to quit but fuck me like the shots they look so painful to the opponent so they're like i knew it i knew i started putting hands on him denny rub round four five and six yeah you just know he's going to go to the body from distance like he's able to whip shots around its body punches don't even look like normal punches this it's kind of he just he just dips his leg just and he and he whips them around kind of in a straight like the fucking he's he's a scary guy like i don't see anyone at his weight with a class beat and the only way he's going to get beaten is if they make them come up if the pressure makes them come up the weight and the money's there too much for him to go up and you know one of these kind of investors gets behind a super fighter whatever and you know he just takes it bites off too much to chew at a certain point of his career but uh fucking like he's one of those guys just enjoying what you're hearing like he's very active as well isn't he how many times have we seen him out now in the last four four times in the last 12 months here robia he's like it was full uh Fulton to palace was it and nary nary butler then hung on but yeah like he's fucking he's always out he seems to be always out like today's fate doesn't have any kind of injury problems hand problems anything like that so yeah again one of these guys he'd probably never cross over to the to the white screen to the white kind of mainstream masses but you should just enjoy watching them because he does everything right he's such a fucking scary guy he's never in danger of even losing a fucking round these days like when do you see when people taking rounds off of very rarely like i know um what's my man fucking oh not faulting it nearly dropped it nearly dropped him didn't they but it was only like you woke him up what uh correct it made him angry yeah just kind of regard it was lapse of concentration kind of knocked him over and he just kind of went to work um i'm talking about don't they're breaking his job no they're not yeah don't they're don't need to give a good account himself in the first fight and maybe younger version might have been the man to beat him but he's going to actually get a special guy now like i don't think there's anyone around to come rival him he's unrivaled in his weight class and in the weight classes around him he really is the best fighter down there he's going as long as he can uh or as long as he wants to as long as he doesn't go up too far i think and rob that that that in new way that a new way in denier fight denier was brilliant but he'd done very well not to get stopped that night denier i mean he was a pretty he put in a brilliant performance but great fighters have them nights against other great fighters do you remember when floyd had the same thing with castillia but then they point it right and they return the name and then yeah exactly like dumb i think he might have thought he was getting done there the first fight at the right time and he hadn't tested as much and denier gave him something different to look at when he wasn't just going to go away do you know that way and he's always the interest down there because he was punched always the interest then then regone might have given it's him applying regone him maybe 122 would have been something to behold because regone just wasn't going to hate at that weight class well in his stead his head is very static i mean if there's something you hold against in a way his head's very static his defense has always been his feet rego could crack as well in the lower way it's 118 to 122 so that would have been prime for prime a really cool fight but you take a fighter like that to bring out the best in any way as well so like you could easily see him him being the one who gets like win by a KO there a decision either like so like i said fucking probably peerless at the moment but enjoy watching him every time he's out even if it is against a guy who hasn't got a fucking hope against him like poor al dahini like he was so out of his depth you know who's just scary scary what's the end so a good end in front probably with a back injury is probably you know he lived to fight another day probably got another few pay days so go for him like well and they say that it's going to fight in the united states in 2025 and i'll fight in japan in december right i just looked and that's the the exact words uh that they're they're giving on that so i i don't know if it's going to be aquedalia or if it's going to be goodman but i think them or call for the fight isn't he mankadalia was like saying that anyways talk with him or not maybe call to japan to fight him he walked i don't i don't know what the hell happened there rob is it herbie yeah yeah that was weird go ahead no i'm saying makmodala has been calling him out hasn't he yeah yeah and i just don't know if it matters i mean he cares i like i think you have those two you have a goodman aquedalia and i think the wild card is nakatani coming up from 118 to fight him in an all japan battle um i i i think that you know that that's a huge money maker over there but if he's got if he's doing that i think then he's at 126 come and state side uh going against the top ranked talent there um espanosa remaraz two has been ordered um we'll see where angelo leo goes if you know top rank wants to be good to us what they would do is they would potentially put uh lopez uh leo rematch uh on the undercard or is the main event with the vropecia remaraz uh in the raffle espanosa two that would be a hell of a card and then you have a unified champ for uh in a way to fight so i don't know if i could play you know to plan it out in my dream that that would be the way it would all function who knows what's going to happen with re-ed season and all the latinos night and all that is where you don't know what we're doing latinos no no i didn't hear about that one turkey i'm Oscar are getting together to have a re-ed season latino's night apparently right on well we wish them life yeah drinking margaritas and banging senoritas olay so uh let's see here um aims is coming in but at some point i hope but let's start start going through this canelo uh card because there's a lot of stuff on this one um let's start at the bottom and work our way up for where it makes sense here got a undefeated jonathan lopez taken on uh richard medina i'm trying to think i've seen lopez before let's see yeah hmm i don't think so so this will be a for oh we find it in wardo baez and he beat him that's a decent victory for a young fighter so that yeah we'll follow them up taken on again that's going to be uh he's taking on uh richard medina 15 and 2 roman via i know him taking on recarto solace r Rodriguez at welter weights couple of draws recently uh on uh mr uh ron Rodriguez's uh resume there against kind of one of one's against an undefeated guy but uh there's some lack in this resume probably so that uh you might see you uh via run over top of this guy we'll see uh anything's possible on that one but uh and then uh rolly remiro oh boy he's back in the ring uh following uh his uh defeat to isak cruz uh who was lost since then uh going in against the 16 or one and one uh man wild james um see here james is on uh one of his last four since he lost to Pedro Bernal r Rodriguez who is eight one and two he has a draw against 12-4 and one fighter yeah we'll see what rolly's got left here you beat uh jonathan remiro that's a decent win yeah we'll we'll see how uh how mr uh manwell james does here against rolly remiro i don't know i think i was just big knock out he does he needs uh he just needs a big knock out to con himself back into another big fight with his like the boom um weird stick that he has that fucking somehow draws his fucking uh media numbers up and makes people want to see him in a good fight like he's they know he can open his mouth to sell it even though he's not gonna fucking do it when it comes to crunch time but if he stinks out the place and gets a decision here you might not see him back for a long time well and he's he has so much of the of his uh him as a fighter is related to confidence and if he doesn't have confidence he's gonna fight like crap so we'll see as you said he needs a big knock out uh not just for the night but i think for the rest of his career because he's got to feel good about himself because i i think there's no way after you know considering he was in the ring when it happened that he didn't know that tony week saved his ass or however it might have worked out in the end like so i don't know expose javante davis as well let's not forget that he had the blueprint to beat and tank davis open till he got knocked out he was winning the fight up until he got knocked out of god name so everything worked out perfectly until he didn't know where it was sincere uh the return of your boy steven falton there he's taken on carlos castro who is a capable fighter uh in his own right i think this could actually be a uh a very competitive match um i think falton is uh quite the uh the favorite in this one so that's interesting uh kaleb plant coming back uh off of his uh most recent defeat to uh mr david benavidez and a fight where he took a hell of a beating uh you know it's one of those ones where i just felt it was merciful to stop it getting into the last couple rounds i don't know i know that not everybody agrees with me but we'll see uh if that took anything out of him he's taken on the undefeated uh Trevor McCumbie uh who uh he's i don't know uh it's it's it's it's uh kaleb plant against a white guy so he's definitely going to have the black advantage in this one rob christopher pearson on his resume i think i'm i think i just seem to close plants legs are gone i think i don't know he looked good in the benavidez fight for like the first six rounds right um so i don't know if they're gone or so much if maybe he doesn't have wheels for all uh twelve anymore i thought it was like signs of it in the first canelo fight where he was like glowing a gasket i thought like trying to make a deal with canelo a peace treaty in the middle of the fight talking to him and that and then the benavidez one like it just i think he's i think he's in deep trouble if he goes past eight not necessarily against this guy but if he is ever back in um if he's back in contention for the top level like but he was a capable fighter kaleb plant ugai lovely style but just seven got that he hasn't got the kaleb punch has he and it's well i mean that fighting gets uh anthony dorell on the left yeah that was class the class operator like classifier nobody skills silky fighter but i think when you haven't got the equalizer in the legs side the goal like phyllis i hit you in the hips and the body after six to eight it can be ruffler yeah this uh the guy he's going in with uh i don't know that uh he's looking like a whole lot i i think i might have seen him on this pro box card in january this year against pearson uh basically blanked him on the scorecards but i don't know i don't know if this is the guy rob i don't know if this is the guy i think kaleb is gonna get one more chance uh because he's gonna get through mr trever mccumbie yeah i don't i don't i don't think mccumbie beats plant but i'm kind of i'm i'm with rob as well i i mean plant's been very inactive it's like down at one fight a year but he's lost two of his last three and even the dorell one that brilliant left talk got him out of trouble because it was a very stagnant fight where two old war bosses were canceling each other out a lot of it in a lot of that fight so i think he's a really good money against canelo he would have got well-paid against benefit he does but he took two good items i wonder what kaleb plants got left i really do yeah maybe i i i wasn't thinking of betting that one in the first place but i i think you guys at least made me think i will stay away from it entirely at this point in time uh and i could what might be good value is um laura against garcia garcia has been really inactive and it and i know i know laura's old but if you've been inactive i'm not sure if one fight in nearly four years danny garcia wants to go in with some of an awkward orable style like laura that could be one that catches garcia you know he's not the favorite in that fight laura is the favorite in that one i might say that might start darcia's paying a little bit less than than two to one but it's been nipping a little bit closer um in that realm um i i think by the time the fight comes he might be uh paying about three to two um but i i actually have danny as part of a of a parley uh that i got going on and we'll see how it goes uh i think i have uh josh callee against leham smith in there because i just i think smith is done from what we saw in the u-bank fight that's just my opinion and and a couple of other fights uh that that were uh lingering up ahead but laura is let's see here he's you know he said 160 but you know you got to think who has he fought at right since he's been at 160 pounds um he's fought thomas lemona who is obviously no great shakes he landed a smoking straight straight left on him he went eight rounds uh with uh gary o solven uh you know just smacked him around quite a bit uh but i mean that's gary and funny enough uh so he fought lemona when lemona was 34 and one he fought o solven when he was 31 and four and then he fought lud michael zerafa when he was 31 and four took him out in two rounds um but i mean he's been fighting once a year and he's only fought three rounds in the last three years he's 41 years old i mean i know garcia's been inactive but you know garcia is still a handful of years younger than him i think garcia's probably 36-ish or so uh yeah you think yeah i don't think garcia has any business being up around 160 i don't think laura does either do you i uh do you think he's been more comfortable there though thinking about something about it like he was a career 54 pounder like he was getting up the way up the weight so that's six pounds to him like he's programmed he hasn't beaten the top but there is no top caliber middleweight three year round for him to test himself again the best of the bunch he's flat lined him and i think garcia's too easy to hit and laura can punch a bit like i think um i think you're stopping i think i might hit my bed with that apparently the washbook i see at some stage that he's just he's underachieved as it is like he should have achieved way more um he took the money and ran pissed about on instagram did scarface impressions you know didn't live the life by all accounts went to the club but um dressed as like a fucking goon yeah he's dad and asshole i just think i think um i think laura could stop him down the stretch interesting on that one uh and sorry sorry um mathy go out there you're right laura for his age has had one fight a year but garcia's almost had one fight in four years and we can't underestimate we can't underestimate he spoke about having some sort of breakdown some sort of depression mental health troubles and he's a spender he lives a very very good life you see it on instagram he likes fast motors he likes a few girls he likes going to clubs he likes a bit of clubber danny garcia had lived a really good life in the last four years you know ain't the life of a boxer i just wonder if laura the right guy to go in with it's a hard it's a hard fight for melon yeah i i'm thinking on this one and i i believe it aims his join us here i i'm i just feel that if this fight does go the distance and i know robsink and that that laura might get the stoppage here my hunch is that um is that danny garcia is going to get a close and very controversial decision um aims are you buying my bullshit i don't know like because i knew really a couple of times where danny garcia is really underperformed i think whenever he's had a meaningful fight he's always given the best of his ability and i think the best of his ability right now is probably enough to overcome an aging and a willing to stand and throw eris landi laura um so i'm kind of favoring danny in this one no real other feeling than that then that no real other breakdown than that but i just i think garcia you know this is a real retirement fight for for even really maybe more so laura than garcia still but you know for either one of these losers um you know he's hard pressed to see where they come back from uh defeat but i i think garcia has got nothing to tank to to get rid of laura interest i i like i said i've got uh danny is part of uh of a parlay that's taken many many weeks uh to to go through i just when i just got this hunch and he's just danny garcia as much as i dislike him a lot of it's because he ends up lucky on so many things that he shouldn't have ended up lucky on and i i think that he's still got one more in him for some reason it's just my hunch but it's interesting you see that the panel is split on this one that that that uh that makes me happy to know that uh maybe this one at least will be an interesting and competitive fight possibly it kind of happens to go back a long way for a top quality danny garcia performance haven't you like um not at this way class either like laura's been operating here like for a while you know no he's on the way out no but i i'm feeling like laura could probably go at least 45 and then go to bkb for another two years like you see him at uh when he's 47 or something you know that way like that would be funny i don't think he has any plans to retire at all like i don't think i think we're we're a retiree laura before he finds he's at like so i just think garcia at the best of times his defense is very open like he's fucking have fights with his hands by his side laura that's so fucking big long job i think he's gonna just poke holes in them all later yeah i also do remember zab eating them up right down the middle when they fought in the later rounds yeah and he got there i was shot like you know that way he was he was shot at that please he uh but one thing that you know garcia being a left hook artist the one thing that he did very well in that fight too was he uh had a uh a strong uh straight right hand and that one that he played as a lead that uh gave zab all sorts of troubles as well so i think his strength was time with garcia and now that he's like he's like doesn't he's having one fucking fight every four years i don't know if the time is going to be there you know that we all have power in time time that's that's really important that's really important don't bring up don't bring up don't bring up what that that left hook that he threw from his hip don't bring up don't bring up that it's what i get that sentiment that you're on about that um matty because garcia you know he's all talked about and maybe you know one of these fighters it could be the next big thing and they never really improved actually won a world title never really did anything after that he seemed to be happy with the success that he got and never really fulfilled any further potential that some people may were talking about him he's just like a no-fills boxer just kind of everything kind of well but nothing else really spectacular about him he he's very much kind of faded into the background where the other fighters have been able to kind of sort past him because i've just got that little bit more about him he's done well with you know what he's been capable to do and he did have good timing and they did have to protect a spectacular game plan before the fight to really blow Khan in and also capitalized upon Khan's defensive you know in abilities on that night just uh no i don't even want to really that night no i have to live with the matisse last two buddy i feel you i feel you i think go ahead and i was going to say i think i think khan than i garcia is best winning and he wasn't meant to win that fight and he he caught Khan out because he discovered that if you punch with Khan Khan's danger if you punch with Khan Khan's vulnerable and it and it it wasn't meant to win that fight it wasn't meant to win the eric marathlet's fight after that and then he thought of a sort of fading zeb and if you look at the guys he has beat like the brand and real sears and the the Robert Guerrero's when Robert Guerrero has passed his best um i think he beats guys of a level but spent paulter even when he got ferman he's never going to beat that caliber of fighter that doesn't mean he can't beat Lara but i just think Lara is going to offer ask so many questions of him i'm not sure if we've ever seen anything of benny garcia in his career to suggest that he can answer those questions i think that is best danny was kind of a b plus fighter and that is best yeah it's a good check and yeah it's like an a minus you know and a good chat b plus yeah but you know laura at 41 years of age is he still in a minus or is he now a b plus is this total level playing field i don't know now i'm i'm now i'm more interested in this fight even though i you know i laid a couple bucks on now rob has me talked into a cover of a star of laura stoppage because there's got to be good money on that one because i mean laura by stoppage against garcia who is never you know i i don't even think danny as danny garcia ever been down in his career i think he's going to stop me to the body though huh you're getting very specific here rob and have you been have you been taking psychedelics and consulting with the gods sometimes you just see these things before to play out to murder you all right well we'll find out that's that was part more of an interesting breakdown on that fight than i thought we'd have that was uh rather enjoyable actually uh let's see here and then uh on that card uh let's see here yep and then we got the uh the main event uh on there uh unless anybody wants to touch on any of those undercard fights again again we had uh plant mccumbie Fulton and Castro Romero and James uh via and salasaraderias i mean as i know you're a little bit late to the party there anything you might want to touch on on those no happy to move happy to move forward with it um nothing's really out there about least if you've been and if the end of cards it's quite so all right well the main event is going to be seoul call canelo alveres against edgar burlanga yes mexico against portarico the crowd should be wild this could be a hecum at event uh i you know canelo is a huge favorite here you're having the late ten bucks just to make a buck on him in most places uh it's it by knockout i i think it's somewhere uh you're having late four to win a buck it's it's it's it's not it's not pretty unless you're getting more specific than that so i'm gonna ask the panel can we get more specific than that does how do you see this playing out i always throw these examples up and i always try and measure these type of fights against fights we've seen you guys i'd love to know what you think is belanger against canelo is it a bigger task or a bigger ask as say crawler versus llama cenco or rocky filled in against canelo where would you place belanger in that say that again so we we had crawler versus llama cenco uh-huh and we had filled in against canelo where do you place this type of challenge with belanger versus canelo is it is it is it as you got more chance of beating can i rock your field in as you've got more chance of beating canelo most like crawler head against llama cenco how much of an underdog i have more chance of beating canelo the fucking rocky feeling i think he's a better chance than both of those guys but i still think he's is one step two five from i just think canelo too sharp and the counter dictate the pace of the fight the magnitude of the fight but belanger in a way is not to lose like if he goes balls to the wall and tries to make it a shooter he might be able to do something he did punch but they say a lot of his punching power was admit as he went up the level so can he crack but canelo's kind of shoulder's beard over here so he's fairly grounded in the chin like he could he crack enough to put it then didn't i don't know like how does how does belanger win this one i can't see him i can't see him making a dent in canelo i'm i'm trying i'm trying to play this one out so when i think back to say the guys canelo was boxed if say the last four or five whether it's john rider or monguea or caler plant or i'm trying to think i don't i think all of them guys beat a belanger so i i don't i can't give blanger any chance in this one i just can't see how he can get to him it's he's you know he might have a puncher's chance i i think if you're willing to get in unearth the docs a little bit wild you never know what can happen in there um aims what are you thinking on this one i i think the over-under on rounds on this one was either seven and a half or eight and a half um are you are you thinking this could be a very early night i don't know i mean it's just you know because it's such a leap in levels for belanger who's never already had that bridging fight to anywhere near you know canelo's status either primal where he's at right now or even that world level really with respecters fight it fights his head previously it's really kind of hard to gauge where truly belanger is even though we've seen him you know falter i was there live and watched him against uh Jason Quigley in new york and i had a had a killer uh undercard fight of cussaman over sis the polish every way uh who i've forgotten his name of now annoyingly but it was a great fight on there that really kind of uh stole the card but yeah i remember people like kadaski kadaski that's the one yeah um i believe he's still going but yeah i was there ringside to watch uh belanger up close and personal and you just kind of saw the inability for him to really finish his opponent as well as the want to be able to coast as well to and not really press on the gaps he had his opponent beaten and could have really found that aims cannot come in now yeah of course of course go for it aimed the land has only stopped one in his last six he's not even a puncher but in just in just in terms of his game though like you you'd want to see this from that type of fighter who's been groomed for this position against canelo because whenever we look at canelo fights we're looking at successes that's what we're looking at when it comes to it and because we've never seen that from ke from belanger we immediately write off his chances and all i'm saying here and this point is that there's there's reason to to believe that and agree that right now belanger is not going to be a successor like they groomed him and gear to be like they looked at other fighters who are trying to get that opportunity um and we see it being belanger or bit of benedveda so it should have been you know we're upset that we don't get that fight and you know we look at belanger as a you know a lesser offering here but he it's i think it's fair because you'd want to see these these hallmarks in in a fighter's game when they rise up the ranks you'd want to see them you know box and show that they can deal with a real good boxer and there are people outside of the knockdowns when it came to the quickly fight that were saying that the quickly is boxing like really boxing well really kind of showing what other fighters could do outside of canelo uh to be belanger and i know that mccory seeing we're like really confident that with the bit apparent mccory has as well too that they could really land something on them on them like uh coceros was able to do um i think look it from a from a belanger perspective you got to really hope that canelo has an off night an off night that we've never really seen him have you got a bank on kennel slipped a little bit more because this is a fighter who clearly picks his spots and isn't it was never it was always kind of a thing with kennel on the rise that he was never fully a 12 run fighter and struggled with being able to manage his gas tank he's managed that as much as we possibly can but if he's on the slide a little bit more now does he lose an extra bit around we have to recover now and that's where belanger picks his spots and his athleticism and youth is what kind of takes him over the line but you've got to you've got to roll the dice so many times and got to hope that you don't get hit with a big big shot from a canelo who's able to who's shown such such savviness in his efforts that he can get you out there by immobilizing your your lead left hook like he did against calam smith and so brilliantly he's shown that he can hurt you to the body he's shown that he can really like he did with and over with me i was talking about me again again a fighter i don't want to bring it but he's shown he's got that one punch knock out pirate who catches you correctly he's never really shown real kind of true weaknesses unless he's fought someone like a ganada glovkin and i maintain that glovkin beat him twice there but no doubt it's about the third time and then bibble when it was you know him stepping up to a different weight and it was a more of the the weight thing against this factor it's all kind of laid all against egga belanger and you i really struggle to really find find i'm clutching at straws here to really kind of back egga belanger here to to get the victory and it's the cliche will come out and that's what this is they can get a belanger beat they can almost cash them out here getting the money now and you know there's no shame in losing to calabas right now there's no shame in it you you'll get the rub of being rubbing your shoulders with a starlet can and that builds you up and if you're as long as you ever give a great showing in front of your own fans political fans and the mexican fans as well too those fans will then follow you and see what your next fights are like and if you if you keep progressing if you keep showing that you're a blood and guts fighter and you want to get those big big knockouts and those big nights and those big fights you'll get that following and that's the win here for egga belanger as opposed to the win on the record now i'm trying to remember what fight it was but if you recall belanger bit an opponent in one of his fights i can't remember what one that was and he's kind of shown that you can get in his head a little bit he's uh he's a bit of a head case and i'm just throwing out there that he's connected already could connect a little win by dq was a hundred to one i think that's worth a punt yeah it's not else later ends i think he's chucked it already i heard him saying in the press conference say i respect you i respect you the same shit caliper cala plant said in the middle of the fight working a lot like you're jacking it already like all right you can respect fighters and all and say it afterwards i have a lot of respect for him but in the build up like it's like he was conceiving ground because he doesn't know i think the magnitude of the occasion is too much for him and he's conceding that ground to calo already like by telling me respects him before the fight and i just thought like you're giving it up here like no i'm not a fucking psychologist or whatever but it just um i needed to hide that out because in case people didn't think i was a psychologist that's all i mean it's the very best specific um uh what's your call of fucking adjustment both um you can see you see what i mean i just think but like you're like you're saying he's that he's a little bit patient in business like he's not a puncher if if he goes he's best he's based hope or winning there's going balls to the wall got got some glory like trying to fucking draw a canal into a shootout maybe hope for some reason the canal gets tired which is not easy like it's molded um and i just think yeah he's i think he's already can see the ground of the canal i wouldn't be surprised if it's like a canal or body shot stomping i'm predicting everybody gets off of body shots next weekend but i wouldn't be surprised if it is a kind of body stop uh body shot stoppage where he doesn't fucking beat the county you know that one where it's like nine and you go to get although he could have got up but he didn't uh there you go the referee's waved it off like um because i just can't see i can't see him finishing the fight somehow fighters are so terrible at selling that some of the times because as soon as the referee hits ten they go and get up no like when it kills you to stay down there an extra seven or eight seconds for people to feel like oh man he really took that shot hard like my favorite my favorite was the martell Griffin won against the Jones in the first fight where the punch lens laid and then he just has a look at the referee and then just one day was faced was into the canvas every couple of seconds and selling the dq like after we get me with a body shot i'm going full madly macklin against Galafton i'm gonna go roll around bang on the ground like delahoy and i'll just really fucking hammer it home like and i'm gonna be trying to beat the count death for content i want you know what i mean i have to make people believe that i'm fucking grimacing i wrote i wrote what uh the blanger seems to be a bit of a rapper's delight he's got Fat Joe and DJ Khaled hyping up you didn't want to be the third in that uh little uh trifecta there well i actually um yeah no fucking um Fat Joe Fat Joe is uh connected a box and pretty deeply he used to be he was in the ring i think with teedor traded out as well at one stage right before the fight would be hop and he said famously in his verse on gyros in new york new york even ry john's was forced to lean back referring of course to his own hit song lean back and the fact that ry john's just been polex by glenn johnson and Antonio tyver but apparently john's took exception to this sit-in nightclub and went to go confront fat Joe and fat Joe went back down by ry john's new obviously that he couldn't win in the fight with ry john's and was like listen i know your ry john's and i know you cannot me out but you're not gonna leave this club because there's a hundred Puerto Ricans in here all around and so fucking that's an interesting standoff but uh yeah um for language i'm sure we'll get the support of all the Puerto Ricans and it'll be that i just don't it's just a bit it's a bit of a B level fight isn't it all all so we know we want the benefitas like that was the Puerto Rican Mexican class we want to we don't want this version like and it's a bit of a fucking you know we have benefitas at home you know that way yeah let me just say like if for some reason my my prediction is real that that it comes to be that that canelo wins by a dq and you have that Puerto Rican versus Mexican pumped up audience you could be a hell of a seat like it could be pretty bad actually like the ark hauling a bad night there might be more fights in the crowd than in the nana like like canelo and chavas junior there were fights in the crowd there i can't remember if there was fights in the crowd there but they're just the pictures i've seen and the his father just with his head in his hands and you know that type of moment you can see just along those type of lines yeah but you can't afford to quit it can't but i can't afford to quit you can't afford to be seem to be taking an easy way out from a from a beating here from your own fans who expects you to be hurtling and then the Mexican brands who are you know they they watch countless of their heroes you know rise and fight against their own heroes or their own heroes you know fight back and so you cannot you cannot wilt in this moment but langa cannot wilt in this moment because it will haunt him it will follow him for the rest of his career if he does try and look for that easy way out might he like i'm sure if someone will have well i imagine had a quiet word with him and say to like after that bite and it's like look you've got away with it here that it's not been really kind of spotlighted and blown up even more so because you shouldn't be doing those type of things in the ring but if that catches you up to on this big night that you're looking for like you won't you you won't leave it down everything is captured these days every single angle everything is everything is seen and taped and it lives forever you that's something you cannot and should not do against canada matter you're a butog i think mattie's had one of these moments he's he's bit through his wi-fi somehow he's magic he just took a chomp out of out of air and bit through his wi-fi because adam had to do it back in mate after mattie abducted by one of these two talking on the last point denny probably buffering michael buffering right well why we're waiting for mattie to come back as well how long do we how long more do we expect canal to hang around here like i don't know what you want us to be like i mean eighties let me just add mine and but the paydays have come in still i mean he's reopened kind of the the door a little bit to the saldy scene and said like that that qualified isn't off the table here so if those paydays keep coming in and if these paydays are still weighted in his favor he can keep going because the saldy's need a ready-made star to attract people over to to re-ad and jedi or wherever is that hosting fights and if you can keep that if you can keep the the calm milking producing milk then you can milk it forever so or as long as possible so really like if they can smooth up those negotiations over and get those fights over the line like you can still have prosperous for your extra career extra years in in this career if he really wants it although he doesn't need the money sure but again with fights that could be easily made for him and not as big of a challenge as a belanger or a benefit as with would pose to him sorry then he can keep going for as long as he wants really yeah well they're trying to really grow the business boxing on the island again mvp promotions amounts that they're going to be doing a series of shows over the coming years oh in in Puerto Rico and trying to sign more prospects it sounds like that's gonna gonna be a mando serrano's project when she's done in the ring and entirely she's already you know involved heavily but it sounds like she's got her plans already i would doubt if she's done after the katie taylor fight but anyways yeah it's if for laying a if he gets dq'd it could be hell uh they they won't forget it especially if it's some sort of a dirty uh stupid move like repeated low blows andrew galotta style hopefully that doesn't occur but rob i'm gonna ask you like everybody obviously rates notorious big you know uh above pretty much everybody but who would you rate higher between fat joe and big pun oh i don't even think you get an argument from fat joe that big pun was looking the better one became he said pun had improved his writing all that fat joe gave pun the opportunity to be a star and and learned a lot from him after that but big pun is one of those generational talents like it's sad what happened to him sad that he left so early um but yeah his two albums that he left for fucking incredible like in today's day you could bump up and it's still be classic but yeah an old fat joe or big pun at higher um has a better legacy than fat joe for sure but fat joe was a legend too fat joe was actually hip hop to the core like he goes back to the the tax crew the terrorized terrorized all toys graffiti proof uh from the the Bronx or he's uh fully fully fledged hip hop legend himself but yeah pun there you go all right before we go here i'm going to get some exact predictions from you guys so for for anybody who wants to to go the more exact route with their picks instead of generic the guys are going to go this way the dq i got is a bet i i don't think that's what i'm going to say exactly but i think that canelo is going to stop him around the seventh round uh where where are you going Ames canelo around nine nine rob canelo between eight and twelve or canelo i'll say the decision okay does i i i i grieved a lot of what aim said most of what him the aim said i think the language got this um reluctant as to want to engage i think he discovered he's not the country was told he was and i i think kind of love a game i had every sequence six okay yeah all right does this go in the most aggressive on that one rob is being the most conservative on that one we'll see how this one goes i i think that the the card as i look through it more i i think there's some stuff that could be decent on there like you guys uh got me convinced that even you know my better regardless um i think that Laura against Garcia is interesting and i think Fulton against Castro is more interesting than most people are saying and i think it's more interesting than the books believe but um again i i think your fight of the week could end up being on Friday with Rocky Hernandez against Thomas Matisse but we'll see um i i uh i didn't have anything gathered below you the week my help has been busy and i understand that i'm doing what i can folks which is far more than i should with everything going on not with the podcast i got lost shit on my plate but anyhow i just saw a funny tweet that fmg put in there for people it was uh apparently you got some uh some support going on there and it says for any england fans heading over to Dublin uh for the nation's game my friend owns a pub called the george on 89 uh great george's street doubling and is only allowing an england supporters place to gather safely so make sure you get in nice and early the first response says you're lying bastard it's a gay bar no one's in here and yeah he's lucky no one is in there uh could have ended even worse so uh yeah apparently uh that's going on there too so uh i hope that everybody is very very entertained here um but we're going to be back i i think i'm going to try to do a call-in show maybe uh try to see if anybody from the the wonderful nutters group decides uh to get in their predictions for this uh canelo berlanga fight later this week but then next week for joshua against a blah we're going to have a regular sunday show i'm going to try to get a call-in show during the week and then optimistically uh going to get some of the old boys in here for a friday uh post-way and show with some predictions in there so uh i hope to get all that done for you guys even if i'm not here for everything i unfortunately am going to be on vacation uh while that fight is going on so unless i end up in a place that happens to be showing it um i uh i am not going to be uh witnessing it firsthand at all sad to say because i do think it's going to be a good card a few toss-up fights in there if you want to dig deep in them um but uh yeah hopefully we will still have a show talk to steve talk to aim's try to coerce them into still hosting a sunday show so we can bask in the glory that was aj versus debwah we hope it lives up to the hype and you guys have another great domestic heavyweight scrap um but until next sunday um i would like to think uh aims i would like to think des i would like to think mr rap and rob callee for coming on here and being part of the nut house and everybody in the chat as well remember you can join us on the patreon get part of that nutters group and enjoy the chat with all the uh the guys that poet that uh comment in here it is a fun group a lot of boxing knowledge in there um so you can check us out on patreon.com slash boxing asylum uh we would love to have you in there but everyone you have a great week ahead we will see you here and a couple more i'm off to philadelphia you folks have fun goodbye we'll never forget we want to be honest yeah crying like a little bitch i'm not gonna make a fucking song i can feed you i feel asleep i feel asleep you're a fucking bomb we're a fucking asshole room for fucking 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