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Whatever told you all this time, he's going to end up sucked into the fuck tooling for a hand. Boxing, um, nutters, messenger group. Whoa, they're going to, oh, they're going to be the king! Jay Pham, you know what I'm saying? Welcome everyone to episode 585 of The Boxing Asylum Nuthouse, a proud member of the Sports Social Network. You can catch us every Sunday, well, almost every Sunday, 8 p.m. UK and at 12 Pacific time in the United States. There hasn't been a whole lot going on here lately, but we do what we can. We actually had a couple of decent fights here the last couple of days, but and we don't have a lot this next week, but my God, doesn't heat up after that. Let's get into the action. Joining me today is Des, and Des, we had a good main event here with Diego Pacheco taking out a selectie with a fantastic body shot in the sixth round. He'd been staying up top a little bit more than usual for the beginning, for the first half of the fight, using his jab a whole lot, started sneaking the right hand, starting about the third, fourth round, but then he got him to pull his arms up, worried about those headshots and stuck that left right behind the elbow, and it was a body shot knockout. Selectie will not be forgetting it anytime soon, and the 168-pound division should not forget Diego Pacheco. He's a player. Yes, I like Pacheco. I think he's got an awful lot going for him. A little bit of background, a lot of the people listening to this may have seen Pacheco when he came over and fought Jack Cullen, and he stopped Jack inside the four rounds, and Jack was one of our British champions. Pacheco's level is above Jack, and Pacheco is going to go places. Coming into last night, he was 21 and 0 with 17 by KO, so he can punch, and he's got a good resume. I urge people to, when we look at these young fighters coming through, to look at the list of opponents, and what I've seen about Pacheco is, of his first six opponents, four of them were unbeaten, and that tells you a lot about the people behind Pacheco and what they think of him. An interesting fact about Pacheco is, I looked at it, if I'm wrong, someone can tell me. I don't think he's ever fought anyone with a losing record. It's really impressive that that's, when you look at great fighters, I'm not saying Pacheco's going to be a great fighter, whenever you look at great fighters or fighters that have had really good careers, when you look at their first 15, their first 18 to 25, they were matched very competitively, and Pacheco's been matched very competitively. I really liked him last night, and it was one of those fights that we see in boxing. It was a possible versus a probable, and Eddie has sat down and thought look, we expect Diego to beat Silecki, but let's just see how he beats him, and he was absolutely brilliant last night. We know Silecki is very solid, we know he's going to pressure, and he's very good on the front foot, and that was probably what I was looking at from Diego. How'd you handle a come forward fighter that's very solid, this operate at a very good level, and it's only good guys that have beaten Silecki going in. I think it was Jacob's and a driver beating him, so everyone else couldn't get near him, so he's got a very solid level career boxing. I thought Diego had a look at him in the first round, and by the second round, he started touching him very short, and it was then short touching that made Silecki think, so if you notice Mettie, Silecki changed his approach from being on the front foot to doing one or two things, going backwards, which he can't do, or standing still, and what can't you do in front of a six foot four puncher, and that's standing in front of him, and that's what Silecki did, and you could see by around three, four and five, Pcheco was just getting to him, and he was starting to really get behind a jab, and he was looking for the perfect right hand, he wasn't just throwing it, and landing around the head area, around the back of the skull, around the ear, he was looking to clip him, and he missed him a couple of times, but he was just getting his eye in, and did it go to the sixth round, Mettie, or was it the fifth round? The sixth, I think it was. Yeah, and by the fifth, you could see that Silecki's hanging tough now, and you're right about the body shot, there's two types of left hook to the body, it's where a fighter typically steps with his left foot first, and throws to the floating ribs, which is round to the side, or there's the sort of Mike Tyson, Ricky Hatton type left hook, where you pivot around with your right foot first, and you throw your left hook to the solar plexus. Well, I think Pcheco was going for the floating ribs, but Silecki turned into it, and I think he caught somewhere between the solar plexus and the ribcage, and it was a sort of body shot that you're not right for two or three minutes, and it was a brilliant knock-out, and to stop someone like Silecki to the body, inside six, I think is a real statement win. I don't think there are any hurry to moving fast, as a young kid, from a good part of America, we'll have loads of good boxing influences around him in LA. I think they'll keep him just underneath that top level for now, and they'll certainly keep him away from light heavy for the minute, but don't be surprised if we see Pcheco go through super middle, he'll get into light heavy, and eventually perhaps end up at Cruiserweight, because like I say, six foot four, he can punch, and I think he's correct me if I'm wrong, Matthew, he's only about 22, 23. Oh yeah, I think he's right in there, he might be just a smidge older than that, and you were only off by one though, he had one fight against a guy who was one and two early in his career. I'll just scat, but it's very impressive, isn't it? Because what I tell you is, the people behind him must really fancy him, and they must go, you know, look, this, and the conversation happens between trainers, managers, matchmakers, flatter, and they must all be in agreement, no, I want to be challenged, and Pcheco, very much like, say, an Adonis Demerson, a Badu Jack, guys that have come up the hard way from good gyms in good parts of America, have always had very competitive fights in the first 15, and he's one of them guys. Yeah, there's a lot of places that they could take him at this point time. I would be curious, you know, obviously the PVC guys are kind of out of bounds, but you know, there's been a lot of guys who have fought Canelo at the weight who might be good as a little bit of a measuring stick. I'd have a little bit of a curiosity how he could potentially do against Mongea, but that one, again, is now off the table with Mongea being with top rank now. So it's some, I don't know, I guess it might be a little bit of slim picking. One name, maybe, to throw out there might be Shane Mosley Jr, who just had that win over Danny Jacobs, and he's had a nice little run on the backside of his career. I think that there was mentioning by Eddie that he wants to see Pacheco potentially in with Canelo next year, but everyone throws that name around. So go ahead. No, I don't interrupt you. Cool, man. He just, he's kind of, if he's not your mandatory, and you're looking for a title shot, why would you face this guy? You know, he's got to probably find somebody who appears to be on the downside or is coming off the loss and needs to reclaim their spot in the rankings. That's the kind of person I think Pacheco will find his way in with next. Michael Thompson in a chat said, you know, Michael's seen him come up on those Mexican shows, these own Mexican shows, and I like that he's traveled. I like that he's been around. I like that he comes from a part of America where it's a tough upbringing. He comes from South Central LA. He's lived a life already and he's to get to this stage and to be almost as complete as what he is and look at the complete box puncher to what I saw last night. I think they've got something here. I'm going to give you a name and don't scoff at it because I don't think they're going to put him in with the most new junior just yet. I don't think he's got age and I think they're just waiting for the landscape to clear a little bit but don't be surprised if we see him against Devren Cenco, someone like that. It's a name. If they get Devren Cenco a win, I think they'll bring Devren Cenco in for someone like Pacheco. I think it's perfect for him and he doesn't have to be rushed but we still want to see him in with guys we can identify with. And I'm sorry to come back in but if we can see how he dealt with Devren Cenco with respect to him, I might have comparison him and Billy dealt with Devren Cenco. That gives us a good gauge as well. Yeah, it's just a question. I mean, after that beating, the Derevan Cenco was taken down the stretch there. I don't know when if he's coming back. That was a rough one for him. Obviously he'd booked that. It's not terrible. That is kind of the guy around where I'm looking. That's exactly the kind of opponent I'm thinking about for him. But he just plays really well in the division. I could see him fighting Berlanga because after Berlanga loses to Canelo, which I think we're all thinking is going to happen. That could be an interesting fight for him, at least with a name. I think that all depends on how Berlanga looks against Canelo, doesn't it? If, for example, Berlanga goes out like John Ryder. I don't think they'll put him in with Berlanga, but if Berlanga and Canelo have a real gapping class, I think that might be one they look at for next year. I don't think they're going to put him in with Canelo next year. He's too young. That might be one of them where you just let Canelo go because they just might miss each other. They might not be that bad and change. However, I think Eddie's got one here. He sold a lot of tickets there. He had to crowd with him doing everything right. He stands at 22 and 0.18 inside. It's a very respectable record. To stop the Salenki, the way he did, I've looked. Salenki approached that yesterday, a bit like, if you remember, a Strada deal with Bam. He thought, "I'm going to press him. I'm going to stand in front of him. I'm going to get on his chest." But like a Strada worked out with Bam, I can't be in that space because he's hitting too hard. Salenki leveled below a Strada, obviously, as a fighter. He worked out inside four minutes. I can't be too close to this guy touching me short spaces, so he tried to keep distance. Then Pacheco showed us that he's got that side to him as well. Now, I can go long and I can get beyond my jab and I can throw a vicious right hand. I know there's anyone that hasn't seen it to go and watch it. He wasn't just throwing right hands to land. He was really looking for the spot. Really wanted to clip him on the tip of the chin. He really was learning in there last night. I was really impressed with the performance. I think he's good stuff this kid. Yeah, and we'll see if he's able to get the fights after this, but that is a good one for Eddie to have there. What he does with them ultimately, I don't know, could be feast, could be famine. The kind of guy or the kind of style they think would give him fits would be like a Sean Porter style. Someone that knows how to keep their distance then kind of swarms and use your height against you because your chin's a little bit more up in the air from someone coming underneath. It's a good point. Matty, it's a good point. While we're on that subject, I really enjoy Gabriel Zarya on Comms. I think he's got the Paul Yomol and Isa's a bang. I think he's really informed. I think he spent a whole career coming from behind and he's very intelligent. He's got a great boxer in IQ. He sees things. He's very forensic, and I think he's very articulate. I like Gabe. Gabe said last night on Comms, Salenki's got what you just said there, that Herky Jerky style where he sort of wants to sort of keep you getting and then press quickly. I agree, it would be lovely to see how Pacheco deals with a fighter and level up from Salenki, but I think if he carries on like this, I think you're going to have a hard time pressing Pacheco because he can punch. He's got long arms, he's got good feet, and some that we've not mentioned yet are written down. He seemed to be very relaxed when he's in now. He's not one of these guys that gets flustered or pressured. He seems very, very relaxed. You've got a good head on his shoulders. Oh yeah, he's... Did you notice that? He shows a lot of experience already. He doesn't worry at all in there, and that's the big thing, is keeping your composure in the hot moments. I think you might have shown that against, I think the fight against Casseros, he might have gotten hurt in that one if I recall, and he's gaining a lot of good experience along the way. Eddie might have a diamond here in vote, but we'll see. You know, he's built kind of like a Benavitez or a Zurdo, and it all depends on how he plays from here, but we'll see. Unfortunately, I know you did catch the rest of the card, but there are some fun fights on there. I actually didn't see this one. It was a women's interim title fight between Adelaide, Ruiz, and Ginny Fuchsay, or Fuchsay, they say. The last name does is spelled F-U-C-H-S. It's got to be Fuchs or Fuchs. Fuchsay. Fuchs. Fuchs. Fuchs. Fuchs. Fuchs. Fuchs. Yeah, Fuchs. Don't, don't, don't, don't, fuck with me, guys. There's three consecutive consonants there. Don't try to act like one of them's a vowel. I tell you. But anyway, that was, there was a lot of weird scorecards going on. I know, again, you didn't watch this one, but these were the scorecards. Again, two in favor of Fuchsay. 97, 93, 93, 97, and 100 to 90. What the hell? Yeah, it doesn't make sense, because it's hard to follow that, isn't it? Yeah. And then, let's see here. We had one decent little fight here, and although Boxrex says Arturo Papocha, he goes by Cardonus in the ring. He, we've got a split decision over Jesus, Rachega Valdez. The scorecards in this one being 96, 94, two times, then a 92, 98 for his opponent. That was, and I thought it was kind of closer to that 96, 94 area. That was a bizarre one there. Decent fight if anyone gets to watch that one. A surprise here, I thought, though, this kid can crack. 26-1 Eduardo Nunez, well, now 27-1, dropped a couple of times to normally very durable Miguel Mariaga, who's only been stopped by Vasily Lomachenko in his career, and after just beating a snot out of him in the fifth round, Mariaga's corner actually pulled the plug before the start of the six, so that was a heck of a win for Nunez. This kid can absolutely punch. He has serious defensive liabilities. Let me tell you, that is, is for sure, but he can punch like, like a mil kick. Say that you can hear it, my word, but I think that him against Rocky Hernandez, who was in action in a couple of weeks at 130 pounds, that's an interesting fight right there, and there's nothing with the promoters that would stop it, so for my lips to their ears, I hope you're paying attention. That's a good point you made because Nick Conlon couldn't stop him, neither can Nicholas Walters, neither can Oscar Valdez. It was only Lomachenko that stopped him in the past, so you're quite right. I don't know whether Nunez has got him at the right time, or he's 37. He's a little warm, and I think he's one, two of the last six, or two of the last seven, so he's coming at the right time, but it's still impressive to stop someone like him. Yeah, and Lomachenko beat him because he had so many tools and tricks and things like that. It was all the cute stuff that he did, whereas Nunez, I mean, he just punches, and the fact that he just punched through Mariaga, I think, speaks volumes of his power, and I'm going to check this out, because I think for some reason he might have all of his wins by stoppages. He only has that one defeat. I can't remember when that was, or that that defeat was, oh man, way back in his career, probably like his 10th fight, something like that, and that was just a decision loss, but yeah, he currently is 27 in one with 27 knockouts. I thought that he was a bat in a thousand, so yeah, that's a guy with some serious snap on his shots, and like I said, I mean, you can hear him, you can hear him, so keep your eye on Nunez. I don't know if he ultimately has all the tools takes to compete at the top level, but like so many others, if he catches you on the end of one of his shots, you're probably tossed. And worth remembering, his only defeat come on a six-round guy, he lost a decision, and I don't know about against Boxes. I think sometimes in your first 15, you can get caught out, in your first 10, you can get caught out, and it's just about getting a time and long, and sometimes, I notice he's not what you should say about Boxes, and Boxes should be professional, but sometimes when you've had 7 to 10 to 12 pro fights, and they're all going over, and you're saying to yourself privately, I had harder fights in the amateurs, because them guys wanted to win. A lot of these guys just don't want to win, they just don't want to get stopped, because they want to be out again in 10 days time. Sometimes you can switch off mentally, and then you come across a kid like Galardo, which he did, who had 9 and 2 and 2, and he fancied a job, and it catches your weight, you just can't get going off the two rounds, so always forgive a fire for a loss early on, particularly in them circumstances, because you never know what went on behind the scenes, you never know if you'd learned a lot from it. Well, how many fighters can you name who lost their debut? I mean, off the top right. Oh yeah, in their first five, when I was 10, absolutely. Bernard Hopkins lost his debut, one man, while Marquez lost his debut. Yeah, that's right. Absolutely. No, we could, that could be a pod on itself, fighters, you know, great fighters, who went on to have a much stellar career, who lost in their first 10. And so, absolutely, you're a great winner, yeah. Yeah, it's, and it's, he'll be interested 130 pounds, like 135. There's plenty of interesting and quality fighters there, so definitely looking forward to seeing Nunez continue down the road. But for me, the interesting fight, the most interesting fight of this undercard, and I thought it was interesting. I just laid a fiber on it, was Siobhan Clark and F.A. Apache. Now, Apache has been in with some good fighters, split decision, lost to Brandon Glanton, whose quality, and he was paying 15 to 2 plus 750 for all those tens of Americans who listened to us. And I like, you got to look for value sometimes. You're not going to win them all. There's a reason the odds exist. But there's no reason. Apache should have been 15 to a, to some, to some like Siobhan Clark, who is still, you know, getting their, their, their sea legs as far as being a pro goes. And it was a good fight. Majority decision win for Clark. And he was really looking forward here on that bell on the 10th and final round, the 9th and 10th round. All Apache, whooped him up down the stretch. Even though Clark in the 8th, my God, and what a huge round he had, absolutely damaging Apache with uppercuts, who has just an iron beard. My God, this guy just soaks it up. But, but Clark was able to get through with the win there. The cards, 98, 92 for him, and a 97 to 93 to go against the even card of Jerry Cantu. I thought if you only gave Apache the last two rounds, you probably weren't doing him any justice. I thought it was probably a draw to the 97, 93-ish. But it was a good fight. I definitely recommend those who didn't see it to go back and check it out for sure, because it's worth your time. But Clark was definitely struggling getting into the 10th round there. Gonna have to work on that motor. But I'll tell you, you can punch. There's not a lot of guys who are going to stand up to what he landed on Apache who was soaked up a lot of clean shards. Well, everything you said about Apache, and you're betting theory, I said in Shev's previous fight against Zorro, because Zorro was going in 17 wins won the loss. And his won the loss was Oka Taya. And I thought, if Zorro can just keep Shev guessing, if he can switch him off, because we know Clark's a punch, and we're going to come looking for you. But I thought, if you could just keep Clark a little bit switched off into the fifth or sixth round, Ellis might go on and win this by decision. And we was all talking, I don't know if you recall, it was all talking on the chat. And there was a lot of people saying, I think Zorro might come into this, but Clark's a puncher. And he just turned a screw a bit and he got to Zorro and he stopped him in eight. But everything you said about Apache last night, I said about Zorro in his previous fight, someone could catch Clark out and someone could bash the bookies, because they do offer very big odds against his opponents. And they come in with very good records. You know, Shev's our British champion at the moment, Matty. Did you know that? Yeah, crew's away British champion. I thought, yeah, I think I remember wasn't that what the Zorro fight was for? Yeah, he beat Zorro for a vacant title. Yeah. So Eddie's doing with him, what he did with Pachecki, just bringing kids over and getting them a bit of experience. I never sort of fight, but you said, you said it was both guys possibly worth a draw, am I right? What's that? You saying that maybe Apache was worth a draw last night? It was, yeah, it was definitely worthy of considering that he might have wanted to go around that. He was the guy that was going forward a lot of the time. And it's, and he was starting, he had this, he was just sneaking this right hand around the guard of Clark every once in a while, and moving him back that, yeah, there was, there was an argument, but there was a few swingy rounds in there. I don't think the decision was wrong. I just thought one of the judges scorecards was a little bit off, but that's freaking every fight anymore. There's always one that seems goofy. I never sort of fight, but I'm going to ask you a question. Was there spells? I don't know the answer to this. Was there spells where Shev just went a bit static or switched off a little bit? Yeah, there was moments, he, he did pretty good though, moving around the ring and at least, you know, staying busy. He was either moving his hands or moving his feet for the most part, but he, what it took for him to do that is why he was, you know, sucking it wind in the 10th round there. You know, I mean, he's going against this big. I think Apache is a Nigerian, and I mean, those guys are just tanks. I might be wrong. I think that might be just Sora's family's Nigerian, maybe originally, if I'm wrong. I mean, again, just, you know, tanks of human beings. But he, but we'll see where it goes from here, but it's definitely a question if you get somebody like an Apache who can soak it up and and keep throwing down the stretch. Those 11th and 12th rounds are going to be front for Clark in a title fight. I actually, I would probably is difficult as to be to watch because just be visibly unappealing. I think that I would take a coley over him right now. Yeah, what do you see the, this was the genesis of why I asked the question because I've known, I've watched him a couple of times here, and he does switch off. And I wonder if he's nicking breathers because he, you said he struggled at the end of that last night. And I wonder, he's quite, he's a cruised away boxer, you know, he's not a particularly tall, but I think he's not overly muscle, but he's quite muscular, isn't he? Oh, yeah, there's barely any, there's barely an ounce of fat on that. Yeah, so I wonder if I wonder if in the gym, he knows that over a, because sometimes in a gym, you can, with sparring partners that are not as good as you, you can have breathers, you can take you can have a few minutes off here and now, and you can nick a 30 seconds. And I wonder if in his head, he's not gone full out in the gym, like Adam Booth, who's to do with David Hay, let's go full out, let's go again, and let's go again. And then we know you can do it under the lights. And I wonder if Chev, Chev needs that in the gym, because I've noticed that in his fights, he does take, he does take minutes in rounds off. And I wonder if in the back of his mind he's thinking, I ain't got a full 12 in me. And that would explain it. I noticed the same thing you did in his previous fight. Well, and you know, and he's not that tall, especially for the weight, he's, you know, right about six foot, maybe a shade under. So I mean, when you think about it, I mean, he's, he's just physically stout. So it's just, yeah, I think, I could, you know, and the thing is, if you, if you season him correctly, there's a lot that a short that a short stout heavyweight can do, you know, I, I think that it's going to be hard for him to continue with this weight for very long. I think an appetite fight is at least slightly interesting. But I just think this kid's going to end up as a short stout heavyweight. And, you know, brings you back to guys like Eddie Chambers, who should have never gone down a cruiserweight in the first place because they're giving up their biggest asset that they had in their original weight class, being heavyweight. And that was the speed. I'll be very surprised if he can go to heavyweight method, not because he ain't got a punch, not because he ain't strong enough. You've seen what he looks like. I just think, I don't even think he's six foot is he? So I'm not quite sure it's a place for him at heavyweight, not with these type of heavyweights with the new modern heavyweight man at six foot upwards. Yeah, he's probably the model for that new Bridgerweight division. They're trying to force it. Yeah, that's, that's, yeah, that's it. Something like that. I think, I think the answer to the question is, and we're talking a lot about a shift, you know, I think they probably need to get him in a gym working in that red zone, you know, go, let's go full throttle with minimum recovery, and let's get this right in the gym behind the scenes, because there is a reason why he's, he puts the handbrake on in spells during fights. You noticed it and I've noticed it and against the fighter, it could, you said it could have caught him out last night, potentially, and it was a close one last night. It down the road that will catch him out. So I think they've just got to work on getting his engine going, because there's, there's a reason beyond why he won't put his foot in that. Yeah, I mean, guys like that, just focus on cardio and you don't have to tear their knees up on the road either, so I can send them to run the swim laps in a pool for an hour. That'll do just as much as anything. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, that was, but all in all, I was kind of surprised by that card. I was caught off guard by it a little bit. There was some decent enough fights on there, and Pacheco deserved definitely one of the best body shot knockouts of the year for sure. So people who didn't get a chance, I would say check out the Nunez fight, the Cardona's fight, Cardanus is, it's actually spelled, I have no idea why he wants it that way, and, and then obviously, and then Clark against Apache. I think all the worth the time of the boxing fan. And then something else, something else, Matt's interesting. We've spoke about two super middleweights in the last three or four weeks, the Cuban Inglazias and Pacheco, and they're both, they're both jumped into the top five box rep now, and I know box rep and top five can be anything, it's the wild west, but we've seen both of them guys, and they're both sitting in that top five position now. So there's been a lot of movement in the super middleweight division, and both of them guys that we've spoken all about on this pod have now come into that. You know, it's one of those things where you like, if people would be creative, and, and just, you know, work with Turkey al-Shik on this one, which Camilla doesn't want to, they could basically like pick out a couple of fights for Terrence Crawford, or for excuse me, for Camilla that are interest that are interesting, one of them maybe being Terrence Crawford, and when he gets through those fights, you could have him face the winner of a tournament, and those, those fights could be on the undercards of this, just like a foreman thing, so it doesn't get too crazy, you know, have like, like you say, maybe Aglacias could be on there, he's a big up-and-comer, then you can maybe get Mongea back in it, because he's gonna fight Bosignan, that kind of clears out some ranking shit right there, you could get Pacheco in there, and then, then one other, I'm sure there's some up-and-comer that we're forgetting in there, and then, and the key to those tournaments, Matty, and it's written in bold lettering, the losers will be forgiven, because a tournament, someone, only one person can win it, so everyone get involved, you're going to get well paid, you're going to get loads of activity, pretty much like what we saw with the one Andre Ward one, when he booked Carl in the final, and when we see Hopkins all the years back in New York, when he beat Trinidad in the final, this is a tournament, if the best versus the best, the losers will be brought back, you will be forgiven. Matty, are you on mute there? Oh, sorry, Jesus, and I wasn't rambling on, but you mentioned tournaments, that brings us perfectly into the overtime boxing event, which has been a continuation of their 154-pound tournament that they've had, and the final is now set after this card going through. The main event on the card there was Brandon Adams, who has already competed in the Boccino tournament, I think he won something in their potential, I think he, the other one he might have lost, William Monroe, he beat Francisco Daniel Veron, hurting him a couple of times, knocking him down once, showing the taller fighter, who was the boss in there after a start that showed, you know, Monroe showed a really good jab, good movement, but Adams is going to be moving forward, he keeps going after he was out of the ring for like two years before he popped into this tournament, and then also there, in a decision I disagreed with, the Greek man Andreas Katsarakis, that's a weird one for me, Katsarakis gonna have to work on that, I got a split decision over Robert Terry, who I thought definitely did the better work in there, it was competitive, but I thought Terry was cuter in there, I thought that he controlled the flow of the fight, he touched when he wanted to, he threw hard when he needed to, and I disagreed with this one, and again score cards were weird, you had a couple of 98-92s for Katsarakis, and then Terry getting the 98-93 in his favor, a very, very odd fight, or odd scoring on that one, and in something I thought was probably going to be a six-porish, and nobody saw it that way either direction, but the final is set, Adams against Katsarakis, did you get a chance to check out overtime boxing does? No, I never, but I'm not going to tell him he was on the card, I was going to ask you if you saw him hand it a box, but I'm not seeing any of the cards, sorry Matthew. Oh yeah, he just walked through Noah Kidd, he landed a right hand that went around the garden, Kidd tried to say it was behind the head, and it was, it's interesting, Kidd fought Sergio Martinez like a couple years ago, give or take on Sergio's kind of comeback train, but it was the wrong opponent to be able to tell you anything worthwhile, especially considering the fact that went, you know, about a minute and a half. Yeah, come with me, Mike. So, but he could be a prospect, who knows, it didn't look like Kidd wanted anything to do with him for some reason, but yeah, in Elijah Pierce was on that one, he got a UD over Jose San MartÃn, not a whole lot of trouble there. Malik Montgomery, absolutely smoked Oscar S. Candone, who has seen better days at a lighter weight, if I do believe this was a 130 pound contest, and I think that might have been all that I actually saw on this card, but that was, I am looking forward to when they scheduled this overtime boxing final, because the winner of this final is going to be given a shot at the WBC silver, 154 pound championship. I don't know who holds that right now, but they'll be, you know, in the title area at that point in time, but I'm looking forward also to seeing at the odds, because if you look at Brandon Adams in his career, if there's anything you struggled with, and he did well last night and was able to swing it around his direction, but Brandon Adams does really well against come forward fighters. He was the guy who gave the only defeat on his career, and then he took three years off after that for some reason. He does very well against these come forward fighters, so I have to say that I am going to be looking at the odds, and I'm looking at Adams over Cat's Rock is for sure. How does Adam, I want to launch and put you on the spot, how does Adams, Adams do against Brancic? Against Brancic. No, Brancic's 135, who you're thinking, Bhujic? No, Bhujic, that's the one, yeah. Well, he already beat Bhujic in 2021. Oh, so he's got a good pedigree in Brandon Adams. Yeah, he, like I said, he, and that's the only blemish on Bhujic's career. He lost it. He lost it at Charlie, who could, you know, again, Charlie could box him. That was the bigger, taller, Charlie, too. He beat Shane Mosley, Jr. in the finals of the contender. That's what it was. And then he fought in the Bakchino tournament, and he lost to Apollo Thompson. And actually, if you go back and you watch that fight, it was a two-rounder where he floored Thompson in the first, and he just got overzealous in that one. And he put Brandon Adams in, so that, I never knew he fought Bhujic. So are you saying that perhaps he can mix with the Ortiz's, the Crawford, the Madramov's, and the Tazoo's? I think that he is a guy who is probably a level beneath them, especially Crawford, obviously, but I think on an off-night, he is, he's going to figure out something. He's got power in both hands. His, his calling cards usually been the, the left hook, but he was using a real short overhand right last night that, that I really liked, because what he was, again, you definitely try to watch this fight, because what he was doing is letting the taller fighter, like getting his pressure on the taller fighter, and then fainting on that right hand, and letting the taller guy kind of lean down and get in a position. And then he throw just like, you know, an 8, 10 inch punch from there, just a chopping right hand. So it was, he's clever with the way that he brings his power. He, you can definitely outbox him. There's some guys that, that I think would, would just be a nightmare for him. But I, I think for all those guys who, who want to come forward, Brandon Adams could definitely find you out. Yeah. So, so can I ask you, what happened between the booy chick, how'd you pronounce your name, Mattie? Oh, check. How do you print, what happened to between Booy chick and video real? Why are you have such a long layoff with the injured? I don't know me, I don't know, might have been promotional issues or something like that. But I mean, it's, yeah, you're out coming off of a career best victory in your early 30s, and you didn't cash that check in, something was wrong. And I'm big on booy chick. And I think that's a fantastic gate for Brandon Adams. But yeah, he went quiet for three years. But listen, he's back in the scene now, he's back in the mix, and I agree with, I think he wins that tournament. And I think going back to the question I asked you, where do I put him in that group? No, let's take Terrence Crawford out of it. Maybe Madrum off as well. But I think Ortiz, Pandora, Tazoo, might even revisit the Chalo one. I think that's, I think they're really in Chinese fights for Brandon Adams. Yeah, I mean, he's, I think he's 35 or something like that, maybe. How is he? And so he's only got a couple years, 35, but he, but I would like to see him, you know, get cash in one more good payday. You know, I don't know what that, who holds a silver champion. I'd probably look that up some, you know, easy enough. But he, I do think that he deserves one more good payday. You talk about fighters from, you know, like, rubber places, he's from Watts, California, famous home of the Watts riots. So he's, he's, he's seen some shit, I'm sure in his life. But he's a hell of a decent fighter. Yeah, absolutely. But yeah, and it just, this might be a short show today. And that's no big deal. And I'm watching them for the talk about them. Where is that? Yeah, there's, there's not a whole lot. There was, let me go over to the old boxing scene. They had a few cards that were up there that were just random kind of cards to touch on before we get into the meat and potatoes of it, which is going to be that card from Japan coming up on Tuesday. And you're going to have boxing, you know, basically, basically Tuesday through, through the end of the week, there's also an ESPN card on a Wednesday that for some reason isn't on this schedule that was earlier, maybe you got pulled. But you're going to have on Thursday, oh, no, there it is. It's on Thursday, I'm sorry. It's, you're going to have a card on ESPN plus or mozzarella from Montreal with Arthur by our slanoff against Marcos Villasagna. So that one, we could look further into that. Maybe there might be one of those good prospects on there. An interesting one. I don't know if you know much about this cat here on Friday. Kevin Haylor Brown, the Cuban is going in against John Bowser, who's only had one defeat. And that was against Richardson Hitchens. But this is, I think is only the six-fight of Kevin Haylor Brown's career since come in stateside. But he is definitely a one-to-watch, for sure, as far as those Cuban cats go. So keep your eye on that one. Sorry, what was your name? I'll say it again. Kevin Haylor Brown. Okay. Then, let's see here. And this is Mo means chronological by any means. But then we're going to, and I looked at the rest of this card and it seemed much to say, but you talk about a, it could be a good fight because both of these guys come to swing, but I don't know. It's just trash. Jose Zapata against Ivan Redkoch. We just saw Redkoch a couple of months ago on Probox getting smoked by, didn't he get, oh, he lost to, oh, what's his bucket? Fought Loma Chank at Nicholas Walters on that. So, you know, getting beat by a smaller guy at 135 pounds. Now at 140, I'm sure, here to fight Zapata. You never know. Redkoch fights dirty, could be interesting enough, but it's a trash fight. That same day, obviously early. Actually, that'd be Saturday for you guys. For your evening entertainment on Friday, there does Sam Nokes against Gianluca Seglia from your call. I don't know. Yes, Sam Nokes, I'm with that one. Yeah, I have no idea what's going on with the rest of me. I look a little bit more at that. Then, yeah, this boxing scene schedule's getting better. They're getting kind of better condensing it. There's more than ESPN, but not all the shit to wade through that is box wreck. So, credit to them. I'm actually going to give them a little bit of props right here. On a Dezon card, going to have on Saturday, Elliott Whale against Lloyd Germaine. That's from Brentwood. I don't know how familiar you are with either of those fighters. I'm so many with Brentwood. I'm not familiar with two fighters. All right. Then from Connecticut that night on Swerve TV, apparently I can get that on Roku. I'll see if they want money or not. I'm kind of growing less interest than that by the day. Kevin Walsh against Urban Gonzalez. Well, I'll have to check them out. Not to don't know either one of those guys. Then, there's a minimum weight title fight from Australia that's on Saturday on Australia. Probably Sunday here, something I don't know. With Tom Anoon, Niam Trong against Alex Winwood. For all I know, that could be CP Fresh Mart or something like that. They always change their names, their real names, their sponsor names. Very confusing. Let's see here. Let's let's see here. Maybe let's check out a little bit more about that ESPN. Plus because those Canadian cards can kind of sneak up on you actually, you know. Let's see here. Also on that one, Iman Katayev and Ezekiel Moderna and Mary Spencer against Naomi Mann's. I don't know. Let's see here. Iman Katayev. I'm going to check that out. We've got a few minutes here. All the entertainment you can handle and more. So, I've just looked at Sam Notes card for a more call. Anything good? It's a tick-o. Nice. It's a tick-o, but it's the left anniversary. Joshua Franklin, Luke McCormack, Sam Notes. It's a tick-o, and it's just it's Frank getting at the kids that are probably on the third tier of his group. So, just getting them active and keeping them busy. So, it's not mostly a speak about to be honest. What was the other one you mentioned, Mattie, in Brainwood? Let's see here. Let me look back real quick. That was... Sorry to miss you about that. I think I'm going to find... Elliot Whale against Lloyd Germain, G-E-R-M-A-I-N. Lloyd Germain. I'll have a look at it while you're sewing that one out. While you're looking at Canadian one, I'll have a look at Brainwood one. Yeah, the Canadian one. So, you're going to have, yeah, Movledin, various slan off against Marco's Viasania. Viasania is one five of his last six. Let's check him out real quick. The other guy is undefeated. So, he lost to a guy who is 2-0. Oh, he's been two years off. I don't know. This kind of sounds like a chump fight here for Mr. Beer Slan off. Let's see here. Beer Slan off 15-0 with 13 knockouts. I've probably seen him on one of these cards. Yeah, there's not a whole lot going on there. That Imam Katia, Katia, he is 7-0 with 7 knockouts. So, that will be interesting to see him and what he brings to the table here. He's a light, heavyweight. And I think we've seen Moderna. I think I've seen him more to lower weights though. So, this kind of sounds like that Frank Card in a way. The one in Brentwood is the same thing. It's a small haul show. It's a small haul product. No TV. It might have TV. It's got the zone there, side it. So, it's a small one. So, Moderna, hold on. Moderna is the one who knocked out, Carol Itoma. That's where I remember him from. And then Willy Hutchinson stopped him in his next fight out. Yeah, good recall, Maxie. That's good recall. No, thank you. No, that's thanks to Boxrec. No, between your corn, Brentwood, it's just young prospects or novices getting being active. There's not much here to talk about. Man, that's a shame. That's a shame. Well, let's go and check out what's happening in Japan then. I think that's the big one, isn't it? That's the big one. That's what everyone's waiting for, isn't it? The big one in Japan. Yeah, it's, you know, and I don't want to dismiss, you know, Dohini's chances in this one. Every dog has their day, but man, you would have to be a hell of a lucky dog on a very rare day to be able to pull this one off. Let's see what else is on there first before we get into that. Let's see here. Oh, yeah, it's this, I'll tell you the the fight that I think is very interesting on this one actually, is Ismael Burroso is over there. Defending is interim, whatever I'm sure title against Andy Herroka. And Andy is an undefeated guy right now. I think he has, might have an amateur background on him too. And he's a puncher as well, Andy. No, no, no. Yeah, he will. Yeah, 23 and 0, 18 knockouts. Looking for some names on his record. Yeah, I'll tell you what I'm doing here. The Japanese, they're very shrewd, calculated people and they don't, they take calculated risks, but they've always got the edge. And we've seen it win in the last one with, if I pronounce it name correctly, it's taking where he had about eight, eight bouts had come from a kickboxing background, and they threw him in with a meloni. It's always going to be competitive, but they're going to have the edge. And I really struggle. I looked at his card a couple of days ago. I'm really struggling to see Burroso is going to go over there and beat this kid. I just don't like the look of it. I think this kid, young, he's fresh, he's got a good record, he can punch. It looks all wrong for Burroso for me, this one. Possibly, but I mean, the thing is a lot of these young fighters, they look at this old man. And then as soon as they can be touched by that left hand is they're like, oh, fuck. And they don't know what to do. And it's different. And like, Raleigh described it as different than getting hit by tank. He's like, like, he's like, I got hit and I was out base with tank. He's like, but that old man, like every time he touched me, it hurt. And I, you know, take that for what it's worth. I mean, but Raleigh at the very least has been in the gym with a lot of quality fighters for sure. So it's worth taking it, taking taking that in the calculation on this fight because... I agree. I'm not doing him down. I'm not doing him down. Look, we, you know, we all like Burroso. We all like him. You know, we understand the journey. We understand what sort of fire is. And I just see this is a hard one for him. The traveling is hard. Where he's going to be against the kid is going to be against on that show. I've seen this a few times and particularly, you know, with the, with the sort of shows they're putting on there to support a new way, they don't often get this wrong. They don't make mistakes in Japanese. So if they're, if they're bringing Burroso over, they notice kids ready for him. I'm not saying bros, you can't win it, but it's going to be a hard one. Yeah, and that it's a 12 round or two. So yeah, we'll see. We'll see. And it is someone who lost to Andy Jin Sasaki on there against Camille Bala. That's a hell of a name. Two guys with one loss and one draw on their records going at it there for the Oriental and Pacific Boxing Federation Walterweight title. So we'll see if that one might get fire. Some of these fights on these Japanese cards really catch fire and there's... Well, that's a good fire. That's a good fire. You have to, you know, you credit the matchmakers for that because it's two kids with very similar records and they're saying go at it. And, you know, you want to, it's a wonderful platform for you. You're going to be watched by a huge audience. You're going to be on the undercard of a generational gripe. There's your chomes. And I like that. That's a good match, why can you? So let's see here. So Mr. Camille Balaar, Bala, took off. He had a defeat to George Camp Boas, Boasus, by decision in 2017. And then he fought, caught a couple of wins. And then he was off from May of 2019 until March of 2022. And he's had a couple of wins since then. And he's been out of the ring for over a year now. He's been out there for the last three or four years. Yeah, he's not been very active. Yeah, and this, well, this is Saki kid can bang at the very least. He's got 16 knockouts and 17 wins. So we've got a kid who's had two fights since May 2019 against the kid who has been very active and has had three fights in 2023. And this is second fight of 2024. And he's a puncher. So that can tell you the story. Remember what I said about the Japanese? They make calculated risks. And it's competitive beat should just be on there. They should have the edge. And I think just looking at the activity of the two fighters and that's all I'm going on. It's a sucky look that he's got the edge in this one just could have been activity. I'd say Sasaki is going to win by stoppage actually in that one because he went 11 rounds with with Andy and he missed weight in that fight. And he is, you know, this is division up. So that tells me he was probably drained for that fight. So I see a guy that can punch and take a punch and another guy who was dropped by George Camp Boasus, two weight classes lower. I think Mr. Bala is going to be hitting the canvas personally. That's your shout. Yeah. All right. And let's see. This fight is going to be on the telecast available to me, I know, on the ESPN plus. And that's 9-0 Yoshiki Takei against Diego Higa with the debut of your Bantamweight title on the line, man. The Japanese basically have a monopoly over a couple of divisions at this point in time 118 and 122, obviously. Takei is, let's see, oh, yeah, he beat Jason Maloney last time out. Maloney was having a very good last round against him, had him in all sorts of trouble. But he was able to find his way out of that. And he looked very good in that fight. I was impressed with him. Obviously, that, you know, laid on his struggle. But Mr. Higa can punch 19 stoppages in his 21 victories. He himself has been stopped once. He lost for the last time against 3-0 Ryoshuke Nishida. And that was in 2021. Has a draw against Sutsumi, who was a decent fighter, actually. And he was stopped by Christopher Rosales, well, down at 112 pounds in a weight fight. And he didn't make wait for what it was close on the cards, actually, even on one, just slightly down on another. So yeah, it's interesting he had a win over. Oh, knocked out Moises Fuentes in the fight before that. So he spot some decent guys here. This could be an interesting fight, actually. I see why it's on the telecast. I don't know who wins, necessarily. But I suspect a barn burner, probably to K, you'd have to think. But we'll see. I'm going to take K because I really like him. And I'm so impressed. And I've spoken about it. So I'm a pod the weekend after his last one against Maloney. And that would have been on the undercard. Remind me, Mattie. That would have been a new way against the Mexican American kid. Yeah, near it. Yeah. It was on the undercard of that one. And Tacky had eight fights going in, eight stoppages, and he's fighting a kid like Maloney. And he'd done everything right up to the eighth or ninth round. It was brilliant. And then I remember commenting in the chat, now he's got to learn to hang in there. And Maloney got to him. And he was getting to him. And then he was probably, if he'd been in any other country in the world, it would have been stopped. But he just hung tough. He got through to the final bell. And I remember saying to Deimo, that's part of the learning curve, too. Knowing how to hang on, knowing how to ride it out. You know, in a similar way to when Donne fought in New Way, although he never got the decision, he knew how to hang in there. He knew how to find a few seconds. And he had to hold, tie him up, go for a walk. Maybe speak your dumb shoulder if the referee is not looking. Whatever you can to get through these dark moments. And I think he learned that that night. I think you're going to see a better performance against an opponent that's not quite as good as Maloney. I think Tacky wins well. Well, I certainly say it looks like he's the bigger man in this fight, although he appears to be able to punch no matter what weight he's at. And his impressive method is impressive. This tactic is impressive. Your liking is, if you can recall him, it's fresh-faced. He appeals to a lot of people in Japan. He's very marketable. We can punch. He's had a career in kickboxing before he come into boxing. I think he was a kickboxing world champion. And he's translated it. And I think in the Far East, they, fighting sports all under one umbrella. And it's made very simple. It's made very transferable. If you can do one, you can probably transgress into another. And that's what he's done. They've put a lot of faith into him. They've given him a good push. Yeah, I think if you're watching this Tuesday and this Tuesday in the UK, it's live on Skype. We get it in the morning. It's brilliant news in the way flies. They say, it's a real treat. So we've got a chance to see him. It probably will be cheap support. Yeah, that will be cheap support. I think it's going to be starting at like 5.30 in New York or in the East Coast time. So that means it'll be on at 3.30 in the morning here. We'll see how that goes for me. Okay. Well, we'll see. I maybe I'll go get it. I had no guarantees on catching the the decay fight, but I definitely will. I'm going to try to get up in time to watch the main event. I mean, you know, you're talking about arguably the pound-for-pound best fighter on earth. Yes, I am speaking of Noya in a way. And the next person on his hit list is going to be TJ Dohaney, who is on a three-fight win streak right now. And let's see here in the last streak. And he's beaten Burl Beogos. It must have been pretty high on that guy, he'd put him in 7-0-1 against an experienced guy, undefeated Japhethly Limido and Kazuki Nakajima. And all of those were in Japan. Yeah. And this is after he lost to Sam Goodman, obviously, in between there, he had a win over Cesar Juarez. What's a decent win? Lost to Conlin, he lost to Beluta, lost to Daniel Roman. Roman is a really good fighter. And that was let's see here. Yeah. And if he hadn't gone down on those fights, I remember that fight, he might have had an argument in that fight against Roman, actually. He fought his ass off that night. But this, this is a different test altogether. And I just, man, I think when a guy likes Sam Goodman, who doesn't have much power at all, is touching you up that way, man, if Inouye starts touching him up to the least, it's going to be Nighty Night for Mr. Dohini. Right. So I advise anyone, wherever you are, if you can watch this, watch it, because we're seeing a special fighter in Inouye. This is a generational break. This is someone that we, this might be the greatest little man of all time. He's that good. And he does something that we're not used to seeing with little men. He punches like a Triple G. You know, he, he, he punches like a prime Kovalev. He, he really does get, he really can't crack. Is he, is he on his third or his fourth weight at the moment, Matt? Can you recall? What was that? Is he on his third or his fourth weight at the moment? Inouye, I think this is his fourth weight class. Right. So I might, if you're wrong, I might not have that against you. I don't know if it's further his fourth, but the point I'm making is, and his power hasn't diminished one Iota. If anything, he's fighting better guys at higher weights and he's stopping him just impressively. This guy is brilliant. Now, you mentioned Dohini and the guys he's beaten. I think you can probably find a little bit more about Dohini by the guys that are beating him. And we know that Mick Conley, you said it yourself, Mick Conley beat him, sang good with him beating Baluta beat him. We've just seen Dennis McCam beat Baluta all that. We went Baluta boxed him. It was four years ago. But there's a level to Dohini, now. I'm not quite sure how he pitches. So for older people in the chat, Dohini against Inouye isn't quite like Howard Clark and Fernando Vargas. It's probably, it's higher than that. And it's not nowhere near Hatton versus Mayweather or Lloyd versus Donald Curry. I don't know what you think, Mattie. Is Dohini and Inouye, is it is it more closer to a crawler versus La Machinco, a field in versus Canelo? Is it that type of fire? Is it that type of underdog type fire? God, isn't that bad? That's a good question. I don't, I mean, if guys in the chat want to sort of pitch another example to us. I mean, I hate talking fighters then and they're the bravest they're the bravest sports people in the world. But this is a big, big ask. And I'm not quite sure if Dohini is anything in his career suggests he gets near and Inouye. And I don't blame him for that. I don't blame Inouye for that. But I just think this is more like, if you would have said to me, there's Lloyd B. Donald Curry at the time, if he catches him right, yeah. I remember at the time everyone thought Ricky was going to beat Floyd. I don't think anyone thought crawler beat it's La Machinco. And no one thought field in beat Canelo. And I think Dohini's record suggests this is somewhere where he's at. I think this is the same sort of major resume type of fires. If he lasts five rounds, it'll be a huge achievement. If, if, I think Inouye stops him inside fire. And that's, and that's, you don't need to be rocket scientist to make that type of call here. No, and that's, that's probably the consensus. I'm actually, I'm actually curious on that one, what the, there's probably some numbers on that one already as far as halves and stuff like that and what they're looking at. This could be one of those where you're low, where the odds makers, where you're getting less than even money, forgetting to, you know, picking the fight one through six or anything like that. Let's see here. I'll try and find you where they're making Inouye to win. The over, the over under on rounds for it is four and a half. So they're thinking it's going to end right before six rounds. And it's, you're getting even money on the over and in the hell of a, they're taking a hell of a big, you're getting God like three to four or something like that, taking the under. So over in the UK, we've got Inouye to win at one at 50. And to win any time by KO is one to 12. So let's see here, Inouye to win in rounds one through six is you'd have to bet, you'd have to bet see here $3.30 to win a buck. Well over here, you'd have to bet to win any time in the fight by stoppage, you'd have to put 12 pound down to win one pound. So this is one of those ones where if you think you have like a couple of other picks down the road that they're giving you numbers on, you play around Robin on it and you just wheel off of this and just basically get to get a W off of this one over and over again. But it's, yeah, this is one where you have to try to pick it really close. And it's, I'll tell you what I, let me ask this, if you were to say, like, I want to pick a couple of rounds, does this fight to bet for big, for, you know, big odds instead of taking these groups, would you take Inouye in the first and the second, or would you take Inouye in the fifth and the sixth? I'd say I'm going to split. I'm going to split here as we announce, but I'll take him three and four. Go right in the middle there. Okay. I don't, I don't think, I don't think he sees round five, definitely don't see round six. But I think, I think there's a pressure to, to big fights like this. And I think there's a pressure for fighters to please TV networks and the pay in public. And the cr, I don't know where this is going to be this one. Maybe you can tell me, but there's going to be a lot of people there. And I think there's a pressure on fighters to say, let's give them something. So I think it'll be Inouye having a look at Dohini, although we've seen him get to people very early, but I think he'll have a look at him. And if Dohini can be sensible and clever, I think this might go three rounds. But then, you know, I can't see Dohini can stay away from Inouye for more than nine minutes. So, yeah, I wouldn't go for one. I'll never go one and two, but I was certainly fancy three, four or five for Inouye. And that, if I was to have to bet on this one, I'd go that little group around, that little cluster around three, four and five. Okay. And it's at Ariaki Arena in Tokyo, was where this is at. Okay. So yeah, last, I think this last fight might have been at the Tokyo Dome. It was, it was a much larger venue. It was, it was the home of where Tyson got beat by Dohini. Well, he had to remember that Inouye went down in that fight. He did. He did, yeah. Yeah. He's getting to the point where he can't just eat punches because he can. These are, you know, definitely bigger boys. Yes, but I don't put Dohini in the class of Niri, either, autopilot. I just think, or Fulton, I just think, I think Inouye just approaches at a much higher level, and I don't think, I don't think Dohini beat the guys that Inouye's beaten. I don't think it's close to him. I think, and I hate putting fighters down, especially in the week of a fight. So, I just think it's a really big ask for Dohini. Like it was for Crawler against Loma Chingo, like it was for Richard Ever against Junior Jones. Like it was, um, for Gavin Reid against Brilliant could tell me. I just think it's a hard night's work for Behaming. Yeah, and while he's just, he's not as cute as Niri, you know, like Niri is kind of like, he's a weird fighter. Like he has a lot of punch. He does a lot of things wrong, but at the same time, he's got a, he's got a lot of little tricks in there too. Um, and, and what I would say, Matty, the guys I just ruled off, you know, Loma Chingo's a generational great, um, Canelo's a generational great. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's very, very difficult to, to, to bridge the gap mate, isn't it? It's, when you, when you think where Dohini's been, and, and who is boxed and who he's been beat by, to ask him to close this type of gap is, it's, it's, it's, it's a monumental task. It really is. And I don't want to talk the kid down. Yeah. You know, I mean, it's a good paycheck for him at this point in time. Yeah. You know, that's, and don't, don't take up more, more punishment than you can. Uh, but you know, if you feel like you're in it, keep swinging, you know, and, and, and on the flip side to that, great fighters like wherever it's a new way, whether it's Mike Tyson, whether it was Andre Ward, Redwood's, Canelo, Muhammad Ali, they shouldn't have one super fight after another. There should be a fight like this amongst, you should have one, two done, one like this, or one like this and another one like it. I mean, you can't have super fight after super fight or two takes him. So a new way deserves a fight like this as well. Well, he's, he's a pretty active fighter. So I mean, that, you know, that's the thing is, and I wish fighters understood this is like, we don't mind if you fight, you know, just a regular, you know, ranked guy as long as you fight somebody that's, you know, worth our time or worth your time after that. But I mean, let's see here. So he fought in May and then he fought in, uh, in December before that. Yeah. So I mean, he's, he gets out consistently, you know, twice a year, which is so shocking to say that's goodbye today's standards. But when you, when you consider, you know, how, how, how huge he is, what an attraction is, and we've not finished this year yet. So we might get free this year. But I think if we want to see a great fighter active, we have to accept that it can't be one super fight after another. That's just common sense. Most fight fans would agree with that. Well, there just aren't enough names for it to even say that they're available there. It's in the, he's, I mean, unless somebody like emergence that we say, yeah, that's, that's, that's an interesting threat. Like at this point in time, he has to beat Goodman and Akma Daliab, and he's basically cleared the deck. Yeah. And to, to, to tweak the calendar a little bit, Matty. Um, he boxed Stephen Fulton in July last year. So in just over a year, this is his fourth fire, which is, which is good activity, not the calendar year, but in the last 13 months, he's had four fights, which I think is really good for a fighter of his stature. Yeah. Absolutely. And it's in that Fulton fight. I mean, that, that's, that's a hell of a win. What he did to Fulton was surprised because that's about as close as the odds makers have had anything he's been in. Yeah, I can't even remember. Um, and it, it's, um, I, I really think that he's, you know, I mean, he's got one more year at 122, and then unless he emerges, he's going to be out of options and he's either going to have to say, I'll just keep knocking over mandatories or he's going to have to test the waters at featherweight. And I'd like to see him do it. Um, I, that, that kind of power doesn't disappear, you know, one weight class up, you know, it might take you a few more to get people out of there, but it's not like, you know, all of a sudden he's going to be having trouble getting, uh, his opponent's attention. We had, we had this conversation, you know, we talk about it, we tank, we talk about it with Inoue. Um, I mean, how high do you go? And I think if you're gonna, if he's going to go any higher now, he has to really pick them. They have to be really cute. And I'm sure they would be. But I think you've got some monsters. Um, the one up now, I've fed away. I think you've got some big guys with long arms, big for the weight. And I think if, if you're going to go, if you're going to be in a new way that's going to go up, then you probably want to catch someone like an Angelo Leo while he's hot, but he's not a particularly big feather who can punch better guys you want as opposed to like a Figaroa or a Robsy or a Nick ball that are very intense and big for the white. You know, I think if, if they've got a guy who, who has a couple of belts at 126, I think that might be what it entice in a way. I think one belt, eh, but if he can go in there and fight, uh, Angelo Leo or Robysa Ramirez or Raffy LS Penosa for two belts because they, you know, they're all top rank and they've gone through this rematch and unified, et cetera, then at that point in time, I think that it's, it's definitely worth his time, uh, to come over here. And I mean, if, and if you look at the way that Angelo Leo handled, uh, handled Lopez, it's not like in a way, wouldn't to just, you know, rock his freaking block, uh, given those openings as well. I, I think that, that that, that if he had ever wanted that one, uh, it, it, you know, it seems like that was a belt that was waiting for him already, it, by the way, how, how do you, how would you fancy, um, a new against, uh, Angelo Leo? I think that's a, that'd be an interesting fight because of the body work of Leo. I, but, and I think that it'd be one where, um, in a way, would have to really work his way through the fight, because what I thought was really interesting about Leo, uh, you know, we were talking earlier about a fighter's ability to just kind of hang out outside of their opponent when they're, when they're shorter and then kind of bull rush him and, and, and work body and stuff like that, like Sean Porter didn't, and Leo did a little bit of that against, um, uh, against Lopez for sure. So I think that could be interesting in seeing how he handles it and, and, uh, and we're looking to figure out if, uh, in a way can find a time and a place for that uppercut, which obviously, I think would be the way that he could end a fight against a guy fighting in that style, but it has to be pure timing, um, in the way that it happens. So it, it would, you, you talk about, you know, it wouldn't be like, you know, a defining, uh, victory of his career, but it would be one that, that could create a heck of a fight with a brilliant moment for him that I think would be readily there once he finds the hole. And that's, and that's important, Maxie. That's a fact what you should do. When you go up to that extra weight, which seems impossible, it's not about fighting the best in the, I mean, very few people can do, perhaps what, um, what perhaps Tommy Ernst did or, or Roberto Durand jump up two ways and fight Marvin Agler. Not many people can do that, but I think if, if in a way he's going to jump up the feather, I think he'd pick someone which's got like a 40 to 50% KO ratio. I think they'd pick someone that's got better feet than they have hands and they try to, they try to bring them over to Japan and, and, and, and get the fight on their terms. I don't think they're going to go for the killer of the division and they're, they're going to look at Sire. They're going to look at weight. They're going to look at punch power KO ratio. And I think they will major factors when a fighter goes up that extra division. USA boxing number one says, you know, we this, you know, we that, you know, we down round one. Yeah, against nearly it happened. That's true. I don't know. I'm a big fan of boxers from the States, but it always incredible. I mean, that's, that's the thing. And I think you have to appreciate the fact that it's very uncommon in boxing to be in this position where there's an argument for three different fighters to, to really be the pound for pound best in the sport. And I don't think there's a wrong argument whether you say in a way Terence Crawford or Oleksandr Usek. Yeah, I totally agree. I mean, we're spitting hairs, aren't we? I mean, they're, they're the three top guys. So there can be no wrong answer today. It's just how you see it. Yeah. Yeah. That's, you know, the thing, it's interesting though, when you think about the gap between them and the rest of the people that, that, that would be kind of on that list, other than, well, actually, I'll tell you what, let's make it even more interesting. You got to say the winner of Better Bf and Bivol, that guy is now in that conversation too. I don't know. That's a bad answer. Well, what a time of your life. And I think Baderbyov and Bivol, it's the best fight that can remain in boxing right now. Oh, yeah. I, I'm looking forward to it. It was such a bummer when, uh, when it was, uh, postponed, uh, in, uh, from early June, but we're, we're approaching it fingers crossed. We get it. I, cause I, the boxing schedule, it's not great, but this month is pretty good with, uh, Josh DeBois, got Canelo out, not a great card. I think that card's interesting still. And, and we'll talk about next week, because I think there's real chance for Perlinga to get dequeued in that fight. And I'm just kind of watching it the same way that I would watch a, uh, uh, you know, not a, uh, so like a daytime. I'm not, no, I know what you mean. Yeah. But you know, there's, there's a, there could be a circus factor to that one. Don't even know if it's good. I think it's will. It's just a matter of how big of a circus factor is. But yeah, oh, yeah, we'll get to that next week, but it's, it's, it's a really good time in boxing. I mean, with those four fires, but I'd really think though, when you take away that, and obviously the winner or the loser of Baderbyov and Bivol, it's a huge gap between them and the rest of the rest of that list that you have there. You know, there's this huge, this huge argument that could potentially be had for which a four boxers is number one. And then you're trying to fill in the holes for the bottom five at basically from there. Um, you know, I think you've got, I think you've got a potential top four to six that I think, you know, no arguments, but after that, I think it's a big gap. You're quite right. Yeah. I mean, there was, maybe there's moments like maybe in the nineties where there's enough depth where people are having a conversation like this too. You know, when Purnell Whitaker, um, was, was still hot stuff probably around the, the Chavez jab, uh, draw, which probably, uh, took Chavez out of the running because every boxing fan except for his family thought he lost that fight. Um, and then, uh, then at that time, I, I think the best heavyweight in the world would pry have been God, would that have been Lennox or Riddick Bowe at that time? No, I don't think Lennox was quite foreseen at that time. I think it was Riddick Bowe. Um, and that was in, that was during the Riddick Bowe and the Holyfield trilogy, wasn't it? Around that time. So I think, I think that Lennox was just behind him guys and he had his time a year later. Um, we spoke about this last week. Bowe gave up the bill. Lennox lost, got stopped by my core, who wasn't highly regarded. Then Lennox spent a couple of years going around America, redeeming himself. So it was a couple of years after that for Lennox, but yeah, it was Riddick Bowe. But from that point now, if you can fast forward eight, nine years, we was, you know, we were late, you know, we had so much talent. The game, the sport was layered with talent, whether it was, uh, your heavy weights, it was your super middles, band to middles, band to welters, lightweight, we wasn't sure of talent. You know, your pound of pound top 10 was a big bait in most boxing bands. A lot, a lot of weights had four or five guys that could be in that top 10. If you take your super middles, if you had the James Tony, the Michael Nuns, the Mike McCulland, the Roy Jonesy, the Bernard Hopkins, and that's just at one weight. You want mute, Mattie? Oh, I said, I would say the nineties were a good time for more reasons. That was a good time. Yeah. Yeah. I remember them fondly. I feel bad for all the 20 somethings who never got to experience it. Believe me, kids, life wasn't always this way. He used to be kind of kick-ass, actually. We've got, we've got Oasis have announced they're, they're reforming and they go do some gigs next year. And everybody's gone bonkers for tickets, but there's an argument to be had. And I really believe this. Oasis, of course, they're good and you like their music. But I do think people like to go back in time a bit. They like to be back in that moment of the early nineties to mid nineties when you could get on a bus for what you're paying. You could travel around London on a travel card for one pair of fifties, where you could go out and have fish and chips for two and half quid, where a pint of beer cost you two pair of fifties. And you didn't have to, you didn't have to borrow money and big money and put yourself into debt to own a flat in London. And I think a lot of people go back in that time. I think exactly what you just said, life wasn't always like this. You wasn't always swimming in this financial riptide. It wasn't a cost to live in crisis. In fact, you could go out with 35 quid in your pocket and have a really good night. So I think a lot of people enjoyed the early nineties. A lot of people. Yeah, there's good times. Yeah. Well, Ames, were you around for the early nineties? I was around for the early, early nineties considering I was born in 92, but not really picking up much information or watching any boxing at that point. Yeah, we kind of have it all covered. You saw you saw the very end as a child. I saw it as a teen and it does got to see it a bit as an adult. They're a good times. I've been watching any boxing up until maybe like 2004. So what was that one? A mere turn pro background then. Okay. So boxing was basically a mere turn pride about two, two, two, oh five in the eighties. He went to Athens in two, four, he done the ABA's again. And then he went, he turned over. And so you never saw Nazim Hamid. He wasn't around for Naz or he wasn't around for Lennox Lewis, Ames. I would have likely have seen Naz on what was that TV show called? It was hosted by Anthony Depp and Cat Dealy. I don't recall it, but yeah, I'll get you mean, yeah. Yeah, kids TV shows are supposed to be in a box. Yeah. Naz was brilliant. Naz was, so in the early nineties, say from 1991, so go from 1990 to say the mid 90s. Let's finish it in 1960. It works well for my calendar. You had Italian 90, which might be the best World Cup. Most people have had. You had the reformment of the Premier League over here, which transformed English football. You had Nazim Hamid, you had Brit Pop, you had Lennox Lewis, Joe Kalzaghi, then you had Euro 96. And when I talk about a feel-good factor in the country, Euro 96 really did have that. It was a feel-good factor. It was brilliant. And I go back to it. And I notice I sound like an old boy now. You really could go out with 35 quid in your pocket and have a good night. You could drive your car around big cities. You didn't get tickets. You didn't get told. You can't go. It's been pedestrianising. You could get on a bus for 40 per year. You could have fish and chips. You'd go out for a bite to eat, not a lot of money in your pocket. It wasn't a, nothing like what we are now. And people was buying houses in London, which you are familiar with. It has in there that like 550, 650 grand. People was buying them for 70 grand. So you didn't have to kill yourself for a deposit. You didn't have to jump through hopes and wrap yourself up in 25 years of monumental debt to have somewhere to live. And I think that, from the 90s up to the 90s, it changed. And we've never got it back. And I think a lot of people really enjoyed the 90s. But all them reasons I've just said. Based on your timeline, I think you're saying that it was either Mike Tyson biting off of Vander Holyfield's ear or the Spice Girls that ruined everything. I'm glad we're talking about Hamid though, because I was working this weekend in Dublin. And Sammy Hamid made his, I don't know if you call it, professional boxing debut, a boxing debut of sorts. He was on the misfits boxing scene. I don't know if either of you caught that this weekend, not hadn't seen him and how he got on, because he was essentially against an opponent who actually spelt it out for the audience in any sort of hardcore boxing fan of any merit, but under some sided with his opponent, because his opponent said, you've been training for however long, you've got to knock me out in the first round, otherwise you are and then you're using an expletive beginning with S. I thought he's really kind of ramped up the pressure and he's played that perfectly, because that is right, because you're the son of a legend, you're the son of a fighter that had such a massive impact in the UK, you've got that on your shoulders and then you've got your opponent as well saying to you, look, I'm no great shakes either, I know my role here, I'm here to lose, but you've got to get me out and didn't actually get him out in the first round, I think I'm going to second the talcum through, and don't get me wrong, Sammy looked good, because of course he was in with someone not to his level, but it's intriguing that he's gone this misfits route, whereas his brother's gone the pro route, I think I was there for his brother's debut over in Poland and again he was in against someone who naturally is there to lose a bit of a showcase fight for him, but I wonder if they're treating this misfits boxing scene as like an amateur career, because he's because he's older and they just want to get him out there as soon as possible, get him in front of the canvas as soon as possible, because you wouldn't have that exposure in the amateur ranks, and then they've got his dad as well there who's you know part of the package deal when it comes to the hammers coming through now and they can you know get a sound bite off of him, they can get they can sort of relive the glory moments of him on the mike after fights, but yeah a winning start for Sammy Hamid, but a bit of a head scratcher that he's as to why he's gone the misfits route. I think Ames, I think the money involved in some of these misfits fights and you know you're going to talk there's much more in much more informed manner of what I can because I've never been to a show, I've never watched a show and I wouldn't know where to start with it, but the money on the money the people like the Jake Paul's are generating and I'm really I'm going to get my names wrong so I don't know any of them, but remember it's Digi or KSI or Tommy Fury these guys are generating huge amounts of money because they're getting eyes on the sport and I can only imagine it's like two famous pop stars playing in a fireside football match, people would watch it, not necessarily football fans, but their fans would watch it and these, what do we call these guys that have made YouTube channels and become incredibly famous and people been on the Love Islands and the celebrity, these types of people, there is a name for them, I can't recall it now, but they have got huge subscribers, influencers and there's another thing we call them over here, but you know what I mean, that type of character, that type of celebrity we've got here, they have got like accounts with 10 million subscribers and 5 million subscribers and they got you know sometimes on a Love Island show, I've never seen it, nothing wrong with watching it, but it's not my cup of tea, but you might have 12 million people in the UK watching it, so all they need is 10% of that number and that's more than what Andy Joshua gets, watching him, you know what I'm so like, I just think if you're a Sami Hammett and look, his dad was so uniquely brilliant, he wasn't the best in the world, I've had this conversation, he was so uniquely brilliant, he'd done everything wrong and you could argue that he's the most, one of the most uniquely talented boxes we've ever seen because no one could ever coach what Nazin Hammett did and no one could give him the punching power that he had and I remember watching him against, in terms of orchestral when he won the European title and I think he was a late call and Phil Castro was a proper fighter over European level, when European titles really meant something and Naz stood him on his head and he did it smiling and dancing and it was like something we'd never ever seen before, he was uniquely brilliant and I just think when you're that good you could probably say to your son why don't you go this route and earn as much money as you can because the other route is really really difficult and we've seen there must have been a conversation with Chris for you about junior who's a proper boxer and Connor Ben before this problem, he was a proper boxer but there must have been a conversation with them guys from their parents to say if you can trade off our name and if you can somehow rig this thing so that you earn five times more than what your value is, take it and I think that's the conversation that's been headlined. Well I don't know for 100% certainty but the whisper in the room are surrounding misfits boxing and sorry I've just kind of had some food go down the wrong hole is that just a base level fighter, a debut fighter or you know a B side minimum type of pay that they'll get is 10 grand and if you rewind a couple of weeks ago I went to a very small hole show it was at a holiday in one of the conference rooms, John Peg put it on and it was you know debuts and one of the two of those and such and they're most likely if not you know for them to get in those cars they're having to pay their way if they're not selling the tickets and that's the difference if you've got a bit of following if you've got a bit of a name you can cash in for you know 10 grand or so which is what you wouldn't get until you're at least somewhere known in the in the pro game. Aims but if a debut kid is assigned with a small hole promoter with no TV by the time he's done his medical and got his license he's six seven hundred pounds in deficit he's in the red and then you've got to pay your trainer and any other facilities you've used get into the baby so there's a chance if you don't sell the tickets and if you pay for your own opponent you don't start earning money into your third or fourth fight if you're selling the right amount of tickets and with all known boxes at that level that have been given 70 tickets and they've come back with 50 and a promoter said you're not on the show then it's very very tough down there and that's a great analogy and that's an informed the and that's informed what you're telling us because there's guys of similar standing on their misfit shows that are running 10 grand a fight now if you have to give that to the kids we've just spoke about in the pro game that have an you know haven't a fight out at a red into their second fight they'd bite your hand off a 10 grand I mean I can go back to not that long ago when you've got that for a British tile that's ridiculous it's such an odd model and it's there's there's so many talented people out there who would definitely do better in pros than if they ever did amateurs but because they don't have you know like the amateur pedigree or people watching them anything like that they don't get the opportunity in the pros they might not never really get a chance to play their trade because they can't sell tickets you know like you know this isn't a sales job you know the sales job is the job of the promoter it's a very very odd situation they don't necessarily always get it but Matthew I'll do I would say this as well I don't like when I see boxes taking pictures taken in swanky mafia restaurants wearing flash watches and designer trainers that's not your demographic that's not your community if a box I'm not talking about world class but I'm talking about domestic boxes you should start local and you do that by getting to know you put yourself out and you get to know your local report and your local press office and your local wreck and you get to know them on first name terms and when he says to you oh like we have a meeting you turn up 10 minutes early and you buy him coffee and you say look I'm a pro boxer I want to try and get my name out there and then when he and then you search him if I send you all the details and I let you know when I'm boxing if I get a ticket ready for you would you mind attending and they sometimes you can't attend and you have to send him a report of the fight and he'll put it in a local paper for you and on top of that you don't ring up all the primary schools and you say I'm a local pro boxer I've got my CRB I've got me or any child protection stuff can I come in and do some PE lessons can I come and do some free classes it might take you one day a month but you go around and you get people now about your name and then after that you go around to old people's homes and you help out and local hospitals you do whatever you can to get yourself out there but you do it in your own community and then you hit local economy small company you know skip hire companies double glazing companies you say you know if I were in an area built you could use me for your marketing and maybe we can have an agreement and you grow with them but all too often we don't see boxers do enough of that which is why I've got no problem with the Johnny Fishers who are quite happy to really market themselves and they've got a team around them it's normally a family and close friend that really want to push tickets and they've worked out a scheme where you know if we can give me with a promoter if you give me 15 hundred tickets what's to do on that and they're going to work really hard over the next six to eight weeks to knock in them tickets out and generate as much publicity and as much revenue for their kids they can I'm all thought out I think there's a balance boxes should do a bit boxes should promote them still it should come from their local community they should be local but they've got to they can't be lazy sit back and say I want everyone to do it for me they've got to be a balancing act don't you agree? I don't know I think the more time you're doing that should the less time you're spending in the gym I agree but I mean but you're ending the gym for one and a half two hours at eight mate that's it yeah that's not a championship mentality now that I mean but if you're in if you're in if you're in if you're not to 10 not to fight 15 fire you I mean we are longing to be in a gym format so you've got to hour and a half in the morning and an hour and a half in the evening that's three hours a lot of these young pro's have to work as well so I think I think you can market yourself and you can look I'm not saying when you're when you're when you're a British champion but if you've done all the foundation work to get to that level then you can go back to the companies that you've been working you've been speaking to so look I've now got a long they'll go I've now got a combo of title maybe you can put a bit into me and that's where you build but in that in in first three years in first two years when you're doing not to 10 not to 12 fights I think it's a boxer's responsibility to really put himself out there but not not not in west end night clubs or restaurants or on swanky airplanes local you build locally like Ricky handed like Johnny Fisher doing what are your thoughts on this does this is an interesting other blue conversation I'll just give you names names I don't know what I can do it sorry May's hi I see was riffing the bong while we were what Des was giving it the giving it the the uh story there uh when Des was speaking the um the thing that kind of stuck out to my mind most recent is the type of guys that are doing are definitely kind of more lower level but they're few and far between and naked he needs someone who springs to mind as someone who's kind of really kind of taking that sort of thing a great example yeah they really love the guy yeah they do yeah I mean I can resonate with with that stoke area I mean I went uni there and he was a teacher well I believe to some degree maybe teacher and assistant or teacher but the kids knew about him in class they knew that he um was a fighter and things and his fighting career sort of started to kick up where he could do it full-time didn't teach anymore but he'd go around every ticket that he sold he'd hand drop them drop them off by hand have a little chat with every single uh fighter so every single purchaser um just build that connection and keep building and keep building that's why even though he's he had the draw on the last if the further what happens or his next fight they'll still be there and he's managed kind of engration itself well within the community where the football club has followed him as well stuck by him as well local kind of businesses have latched onto him too and they've grown with him as well and but I can't think of any other real big example outside of josh jorrington josh jorrington yeah but that's a that's a more of a football um football following not not he was he was he wasn't he wasn't i'm correct if i'm wrong names wasn't he a dental assistant or some sort of high dental hygienist and he he went out he was he never had no tv he was a small hall promoted guy and he went out and personally handed tickets to people that bought him and he it was his mobile he was calling and then he'd done door to door he went around and he he laid himself down to his community and I think I hear what Matthew's saying the the life of a boxer is a busy one and you have to get your right sleep the right food is that this that carry keys triangle the right food the right sleep the right rest the right the right diet but I think in between all of that you've got to say I need to market myself somehow and I need to be I need to show like that you know I am a man of people and you start that in your own community and I think the josh warrington the johnny fishers the Nathan he needs i think they've showed a great example I have to do it but there's a there's a good comment here actually here and it's from yimmie opion it says boxes are awful at using social media random guys to clean swim pools can go viral ffs and as maybe flipping them throw away that as that sounds it's completely true you can these days off of some social media apps you've got guys who are creating videos where they're crying and screaming out in different scenarios you've got all sorts of you know people who are singing songs in different type of ways like there's no reason why yeah a fighter who you people like to watch fight clips those things go viral really quickly there's no way that you can't spend a bit of time to devote into that and really kind of grow your own profile there's a real disconnect between i'll tell you agree there's a real dis there's a real disconnect between UFC fighters and their personalities and boxes their personalities it's almost as boxes are still in a generation or two behind whereas UFC sort of fighters seem to kind of go along and get they get it they get this generation's culture they kind of go along and play with it was boxing i don't know there seems to be a real hesitation to really kind of be a bit of a personality sometimes be a bit kind of risky or at least just a bit quirky or there's a line though right like it's like if you follow like Ryan Garcia gets it but like his fucking twitter is like the hell whole of social media like you know every time that like people are saying stuff on a Ryan Garcia post if you want to go check one something else they said it probably like involves something terrible said about another group of people you know and it's just horribly xenophobic so much anti-semitism on there it's just a fucking mad house on on on that and the thing and i guess they could use it it it you're kind of at a catch 22 because what catches the most fire on there is shit like that but at the same time like you're not necessarily reaching your fans right you're reaching a niche group of people who follow this kind of horseshit whereas you know if you do like pointed community-based demographic stuff what's going on based you know based on you know how you use marketing on social media there's certain tools that you can use to focus ads and stuff like that and you can do that or you can use poor English and you know throw a bunch of xenophobic crap out there it's their choice and it seems like they're going for the latter more so and it hits but it doesn't necessarily make for ticket sales but i do think this is this is where some of the promoters really fall flat and they they kind of don't get social media either because the UFC i believe does and this is and the case and point being here because Alex Pereira take for example him he the point is he doesn't have a personality he isn't funny or outwardly you know saying kind of crash things or making jokes or you know he isn't like a tied two of us who's drinking beer out of shoes and things like that he's an anti-person he doesn't even smile during photos but they've turned that into a bit of a meme and made him a bit of a meme so that it's funny when Alex Pereira doesn't smile when he's at his kid birthday party or whatever and that's the joke and people are in on that joke i think matrim or or queens feel whatever these boxing promotions don't understand that they can turn their fighters or create a bit of a buzz around the fire but even by even just looking at or understanding the social media scene to the full extent and realizing you can even off the smallest things you can make something bigger than it's perceived to be or make a bit of a following that of someone and i think that's what's missing so far but they're these are also two organizations which are a lot a lot more smaller than the UFC so they don't i guess they don't have the resources or the want to put those resources into those those areas and they they say it's more for the fighters to to do that themselves see i mean you mentioned josh warrington and you know the the whole football thing with that and it does seem like that is kind of the the key connect is if you connect with the local football culture you're probably going to sell tickets to your fights you with that that's that's becoming a lot more see through as well because you get the likes uh your only fans women who yes it's clear and evident when someone really doesn't support the their local team and they're just doing it because it's a big team so if i latch into a big team with a big following then i'm going to eventually pick people up who are you know want to see me flaunt my bits etc etc you don't get these people kind of going out for i don't know uh latent orient or you know darlington or whatever like that you know the lower teams they go for the big teams you've got to really support your team because football fans really figure you out pretty quickly if you don't you don't actually support the club that you're pretending or purporting to support and that and that and that um situation uh matter you with a football team it does work in some cities so josh warrington and leaves that's oh that's a city with one club in it so he he's he's a leads fan and and and it was easier to do but if you tried that in london well i'm not sure how i remember speaking to a young pro i remember speaking to a young pro ten years ago who was a millwolf fan and mill was getting good great dates at the time and i said but if you latch onto that where does that leave you when you box at the copper box and there's loads of kids that are westan fan and you've got crowds of millwall westan because they're very they're rival supporters and the same could apply to arsenal and so sometimes in a city with you know eight nine big football clubs that can sometimes work against you and i've known promoters to say drop the football thing out because it's it's putting other people off so but it worked for josh you have to play it right and i'm totally agree with aims people see through it if you if you're not genuine if it's not organic you'll be seen through it and what we've now got is only fans girls latching onto the josh warrington what he did where you know i'm gonna slime myself to to to a football club and i'm gonna i'm gonna go to a game and pull me skirt up or whatever and get loads and loads of views so it's been abused that way but certainly i think i think boxers can do an awful lot to engrae shape themselves to their local community whether it's whether it's getting around schools old people's homes getting to know your local newspaper because every every bar has got a local newspaper in london whether it's getting to know your local journey where it's putting yourself out speaking to local business and commerce i think a lot of boxes could do a lot more particularly in the first two or three years it's an interesting take and i think there's a deeper sociological discussion about people losing touch with community and that being a lot of the problem with society today but that's a different day for a different podcast i think um but before we get out of here actually um aims is there anything you'd like to touch on from the week before or the in a way fight before we bounce out here no i'm not specifically i apologize for not being able to come a little bit earlier got a flight delay um so that kind of cost me a little bit of time to rest up and or would have come on a lot earlier um shout out or whatever the opposite of uh a shout out is to rob kelly who unfortunately i couldn't meet for the third or fourth time in in dublin um so next time i'll next time i'm sure we'll try and meet each other up but um yeah two passing ships this time round in dublin for myself and rob kelly and there was actually a pretty cool moment um speaking of just a little thing on this as well too uh maybe you get a little bit of luck as well because if you're irish you're almost automatically followed by you know irish fight fans irish people in general because this fella david dave phogany who he's con number grega's photographer i believe we're at the three arena in dublin and he fought this fella called the integrate who's a bit handy himself and in a think he's father likes to chakora and others um he's you know he's always calling out those bigger level fighters and could really have a professional career they went mad for phogany he was never put on the gloves before as far as um i'm aware um he just had a real mad following his real cracking atmosphere whenever irish fight was in there uh the other night um so yeah sometimes you just get a bit of luck and you get to you know you're you're getting almost like an automatic following because the irish really kind of pulled through in you know the home country and also over in abroad in like america you get real pockets of irish communities like in boston and new york and as such and um you can really kind of call to whatever following there because they'll back you to the help yeah i i'm a fan of the irish other than their inability to use seasoning and food well that's the same problem i have the english to be fair i don't know what you're putting in your food matter you but you guys eat all sorts of all sorts of nonsense oh man i i well i uh i went to an atelian deli the other day and i they make uh their own sausage and sauce there and they get some specialty items from from medley and uh i got uh and i came home and i made pasta and i had some really good parmesan rasiano from there who spent uh just fantastic you went to a deli you had some Italian sausage and went home and had pasta no i took the sauce i took the at home and i used the the uh the sausage to make pasta oh okay yeah yeah i thought Italian sausage might went something else no i got my own Italian sausage in my pants i don't know how i'll ever meet and i guess with that that'll probably be uh the end of the show at this point this is this is a respectable boxing show into the last 10 seconds we nearly done it that's yeah it was uh that's as close to a value of the weakest you're gonna get i guess on here uh today but uh i do appreciate des and uh aim and gone from seconds out for coming on here uh we're gonna be back here obviously next week we're gonna talk about in a way we're going to be previewing the canelo card uh boxing is getting better because of the week after that we're gonna be discussing some heavyweight action with joshua and uh daniel depois so it's all good stuff heading up and apparently danny simpson was robbed too so uh damn them all the hell damn them all to hell you folks take care of yourself and we'll see you next week uh same time same place boxing asylum net house we'll never forget yeah crying like a little bitch i'm not gonna make a fucking song i can feel you here i feel the sleep i feel the sleep you're a fucking bomb you're a fucking asshole rumble fucking stealth kid but allegedly oscary messes has has filled has filled a test seven year ain't seven year ain't i won't fucking smart fucking you i hope you fucking die be safe i love boxing sounds simple as that you this podcast is part of the sports social podcast network (crowd cheering) [BLANK_AUDIO]
