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We had 459 likes on the offensive preview of the best-case scenario for the offense video, which obviously boosted the views and helped us. So I'm going to ask again, please, if you enjoy the show, hit the like button, hit the subscribe button, not as many likes for the defensive show, which obviously didn't get a lot of views because of that. So there's a quick correlation there. Let's also, it just came out a day later. So there's other factors, extenuating factors in play here, but please just help us improve the show by liking it. Lot coming up for you. We have today's show, which is going to be a combo of things. We're going to do stat projections like we do every year, Nick's stat projections. I'm going to give an over-under on all of them. And then we are going to do our final record predictions for the 2024 season for the New York Giants. Remember, in 2022, both Nick and I nailed it, 9 and 8, unbelievable. We didn't say 9, 7 and 1, which I think is what the final record was with the tie. We screwed that up, but we were a half game off. Last year, not so much. I think we had either 9 or 10 wins. I don't remember. The Giants only got the 6. So we'll see what happens this year, obviously. But Nick, let's start off. Let's do some stat projections. So let's start with some fun ones. The Giants, I like this one that you started us with here, total points four for the Giants. You have us projected at 372, which would be 21.8 points per game. That would put them on par with the Chiefs of last year. Now, remember the Chiefs had a down season last year. Their offense wasn't what it was. Exploring wise. They were an offensive team, and they had various Tony as their wide receiver. The Chiefs ended up finishing last year, 15th in the NFL, which coincidentally was the same position the Giants finished in 2022. And these aren't necessarily my predictions. These are my set on what I feel like is a realistic over-under. I'm also picking the over-under as well. Oh, I like that. Okay. It's even more fun then. Okay. So this is just a number. Then Nick and I have to work with them. We have to decide. So that would be 21.8 points per game. Again, like you said, on par with their 2022 season in 2023, with all the injuries, the Giants had the 30th most points per game at 266. So Nick, you can start us off. We're taking the over or under on 15th and around 15th best the NFL, 21.8. And then in 2022, the Giants had 365, which again, finished 15th. I am going to take slightly under on 372 total points, which is a 21.8 points per game. But I think the Giants are going to hover around that number. That's why I picked it because it, to me, look, some of these scoring, it can be a little flooky. You look and it's like the Chiefs finished 15th/ or no one would have predicted that, but it's also because their defense was dominant and they didn't have to really pour it on teams into the fourth quarter. And they also didn't really have any wide receivers, which put a much higher precedent on Isaiah Pacheco and the rushing attack. I think the Giants will be around this number though. I do. I think they're going to score significantly more points than they did last year, which was 266. And maybe even slightly more than the year prior. So that puts them around 372. I think a slight smidge under. What about you? Okay. I like this. I'm going to go over on the 372, 21.8 points per game. I think what we saw from the preseason is going to play out in the regular season, which is a Giants offense that's taking shots early and often. Now, of course, the defense has to cooperate. The looks have to be there. But the looks are going to be there more than ever with Malik neighbors and Jalen Hyatt on the field. If Tyatt is off the field, they bring on Slaton. I still think we're going to get those looks that could lead to it. And everything I've heard, Dable, Daniel Jones as well, who had that interview with Tyler Dunmer, is like, look, I'm going to just, I'm airing it out this year. He basically was like, I'm taking those shots this year. I think it's going to look similar to that early Jones 2019, where he was taking more shots down the field. And what I think we're going to get here, Nick is more turnover from Daniel Jones, more interceptions than he's had in the last three years, some pick sixes, all sorts of things that will lead to them needing to throw more and needing to put more points on the board. So I think it's just going to be a different tempo for the Giants, different pace, even in 2022, when they're kind of trying to win games 20 to 17. And I think they're going to score a lot of points this year. It's going to be a little bit more exciting to watch a lot more exciting, hopefully, to watch this Giants offense. So going with the over here. All right. Total points against. We had 394, which is 23.2 points per game. That's the number. Over under on that. That is on par with the Detroit Lions and the Miami Dolphins from last year, which ranked around 21st most in the NFL. So what do you think about the 394 total points against surrendered by the Giants defense in 2024? I'll go slightly under on this one, Nick. So I just made the case about how I think they're going to be playing a more tempo this year and probably having to put up more production and points. I just think Shane Bohn is that the coordinator is going to limit some of these drives to field goals and play a little bend. Don't break. I think Brian Burns is going to make a big difference. And I personally feel that Tyler Neumann is going to come right in and not leave too much off the table or not have too much of a drop off from what they've had. I know that's a contentious point among what people think about the drop off from McKinney to Neumann. I just think Neumann fits the system so well. And then Adorei, I think Adorei is going to play a bigger role and be more effective than people realize and make a big difference in helping keep this defense pretty effective throughout the year. So the schedule is tough. I will give you that. But it's more tough in the sense that there are teams that have both sides of the ball. Some of these teams that could be tough, the Ravens, the Buccaneers, these are teams that are not offensive juggernauts, they're just good football teams that won nine or more games last year. So I don't necessarily think they have the quarterbacks that are going to earn the players, maybe the Ravens that can just pour it on the Giants. So I'm going to go with the under here or the over for the last points. Yes, you're going the under on the total of three hundred ninety four points. I am too, but again, just like my number for points for on the offense, it's right around that number. I think the Giants will surrender more points than they score. And I don't know if that's going to be just because they lose a bunch of games. We'll probably talk about that throughout this episode or it's because they get blown out in a game or two, which the Giants have become a little bit accustomed to doing over the last couple seasons. And I don't think they're going to be as easy to blow out with the offensive line that they have, but still, there's going to be mistakes on the offensive side of the football. I think there are holes in the defense that can be exploited still, even with addition of a Dory Jackson. I think they can be exploited by some really quick processing quarterbacks and efficient offenses. So I'm going to go slightly under, but I still think they'll surrender more points than they score. All right, Nick, let's do these piecemeal. Daniel Jones over under's start with thirty eight hundred passing yards, which would be a career high for him by far. So Dan, I want to, I want to go into this and say we have to project all 17 games for these guys. That's how I went into this with the stats when I wrote all these down, but for Daniel Jones, there's a little bit of a caveat there because he has that injury guarantee. And if the New York Giants are not in playoff contention late in November into December, I think it's safe to say that Daniel Jones might not be the starting quarterback if the Giants have already made the decision that they're moving on from Daniel Jones. So I'm going to factor that into Daniel Jones specifically. And with that thirty eight hundred yard mark, I'm going to go under. If he does play 17 games, I am going to say though, he, I think he'll go over thirty eight hundred yards with Malik neighbors with the defense, maybe being not as good as Brian Dable would like, resulting in more throwing and a more stable offensive line. It's going to allow Daniel Jones to maybe air it out a little bit more downfield if he sees it quick enough. So if you play 17, I think you'll go over the thirty eight, but if the Giants are out, which we'll talk about a little bit later on in the show, then then I would take the under and that's, I feel like I'm playing both sides of the fence with that answer. So I'm just going to sit here and say over because the Giants will be in playoff contention with the reason. And that's what decision basically comes down to like on the bull prediction show, I think we both took an over on Jones yardage or I know I said bull prediction will break four thousand. That was contingent on the Giants winning game. This is this to all the Daniel Jones over under is our contingent on them being in playoff contention because there's just no way shape or form. I could see them playing starting him in week 16, 17, 18, 15, even if they're out of contention at that point because we already saw this happen with Derek car two years ago in Vegas. We already saw this happen last year with Russell Wilson in Denver. They're not going to be the stupid team that just grinds him through the end of the season. If the games are meaningless and they're out of playoff contention, when if he gets one season ending injury, they now have to pay twenty five million more guaranteed for next season. Like they're not stupid. Like only a complete imbecile of a GM would ever do that. So this is all contingent on him them being in contention, the Giants and Daniel Jones. I think they I'm going to say that they will be in contention, but I think it's a safer play for me to take the under here because obviously even if it's like week 17 Nick or week 18 and they're out of it playoff wise, they're still going to bench him. If betting 101, you're going to take the under on a lot of these season long bets. Anyway, that's why I kind of wanted to avoid that, but Daniel Jones is a little bit of a unique case. And I don't know if you know this, Dan, but Joe Shane, he might be in the quarterback market, which is like groundbreaking news. Yeah. I mean, look, Giants Twitter makes a mountain out of every molehill in the history of the world. But apparently what Joe Shane said last night on hard knocks is ruffling some feathers and getting people worked up because he was caught on a hot mic with Ryan pulls the bear. She I'm being like, must be so nice to not have to come to these games and scout quarterbacks anymore. Like, dude, the guy got a generational prospect in Caleb Williams. What are you like? Isn't this the most obvious stuff in the world, Nick, that he feels Joe Shane like you don't have to worry about it. And we already know from hard knocks that Joe Shane was trying to trade up for a quarterback. We knew that anyway, because every single big reporter reported it, but it was confirmation. So like, what, what, what, why was that pissing people off Nick? Like, I don't understand like what Joe Shane did. Some people say, look, it's two days before season starts or whatever, he's not supposed to publicly undermine his starting quarterback. But like the cats out of the bag, Daniel Jones saw hard knocks. Daniel Jones commented on hard knocks and said, I was surprised and hurt by it. So now like, this is not any new information. Is it? No, it's not. Hey, last time Daniel Jones had his back really pressed against the wall, he put a 2022 playoff winning season together. So hell, put his back up against the wall again, if we can get that result. Yeah, and I just don't know why people would blame Joe Shane for that. Like, I don't know. Oh, it's the giving the money to Daniel Jones a quarterback. Yeah. People do not buy into and I completely understand and there's merit to that argument. I think there's a little bit more to it as well, because there wasn't really too many options to add a quarterback and if you go back, we talked about it so much, you go back to that time period. If you were just going to be like, all right, we want a playoff game. We showed promise. We already declined your fifth year option. You know what? You can go and walk. I think the people who have that, that opinion that we're speaking about, though, would say he wouldn't get a lot on the open market and get him at a discount. That is a significant risk, though, and it's easier for us to say that than it is for a general manager who needs to at least put a competent enough quarterback back there to feel the team that can possibly compete for the playoffs again, which they did not last season. Let's hope they can this year. Yeah. I mean, I think it would be not this in genuine, but I think it would be bad, bad process by this GM to have the other that say be like, ah, we're both sitting such a good spot here with franchise quarterbacks. Like we can't be saying, you know what I mean? Like Joshain should be looking for this position, just like every other position the giants don't have locked up and you don't need a left tackle. So I'm sure he's not saying, Oh, look at that left tackle on Clemson. It's nice to not to worry about that, but like every position they need, he should be scouting. He should be doing his due diligence as a general manager. So I just personally didn't have a problem with it. But again, as you mentioned, you know, Giants Twitter finds a way to this. It's not even Giants Twitter. So I think when you're just losing for 10 years straight as a franchise, all this stuff is amplified. Like I understand that, of course, right? People are going to overreact when you keep putting a mediocre product out there when fans are paying so much money to go to these games and they care so much about this franchise and this franchise consistently puts a poor or subpar product out there. You're going to get very frustrated, especially when the quarterback that the general manager in this entire franchise is purportedly backing publicly and then behind closed doors. You know, they're not kind of feels like you're just slapping the fan base in the face. That's how some of these people, I believe, take it and I can understand that at some level. Yeah, me too. Let's get back to these over under 21 and a half passing touchdowns for Jones, which would be the second most of his career, second most of his career rookie season. He had 24. I'm going to go over. I'm going to go over that if he plays the games, of course, I'm going to over that even if he doesn't make it the full season, Nick, and I think he's going to throw. I think it's going to be a little bit more exciting to watch this offense this year. I think he's going to throw for touchdowns. Obviously, I know at this point, I'm taking a big leap considering he's thrown for like 15, 12, 10, and three of his seasons and obviously at the one season of 24. I just like neighbors may be the difference here in this entire thing and that may not just mean neighbors as the guy racking those touchdowns up, but it may mean that he opens up this one on one for Hyatt or Slaton or Wandell or a little bit of space underneath for Wandell to make a post catch move and get himself in the end zone. I also think it's possible they can use Chiron Tracy to get 3, 4, 5 receiving touchdowns this year. If things break right there, Theo Johnson is a guy who could be a big red zone threat for the Giants and I think he could add some touchdowns to the mix. So I just think there's more weapons to work with and a better offensive line, hopefully. So I think that over on that is pretty safe. Passing interceptions, 11 and a half. I'm taking the over here and I feel confident about this one. It's a fair number considering he hasn't thrown a lot of picks in the last three years or I guess ever since really 2019, but that was with the lowest average at the target basically in the entire NFL and you know one offense with Jason Garrett that was as safe as it can possibly be and he just wasn't really trying anything. But this year that's all out the door. I really do believe. I don't think Jones is going to be able to lean on that conservative nature anymore and I don't think Brian Dable is going to accept that. I think Brian Dable is like I'll take the picks as long as I get a chance to actually make something happen in the passing game. So I think he'll try to make something happen in the passing game and I don't think he's one of those rare quarterbacks who can take a lot of shots and avoid interceptions. We saw two interceptions in the preseason and one half from Daniel Jones against one against the first team demons. I don't know if even the second was against the first team. It still was. It was things like, but yeah, it was against both against first team. But look, that was it. You're taking shots and you're throwing picks while doing so. I still think there's going to be some of those trap coverage interceptions like the one we almost saw. So it was two interceptions against Texans and almost a third where Stingley jumped the route and just missed the interception. I think we'll see a few of those. So I think the over here is a pretty safe number. I'm going to go with the over as well. How about 500 rushing yards right after coming off the ACL? Yeah, 500 rushing yards is tough. I am going to have slightly under, but I think he'll be like 480 plus. So I think it's going to hover around that number. Daniel Jones will get his games with like 30. He might have one with like 60. I think he's going to be good for fantasy of getting you an extra couple points here and there. But I'm going to take slightly under on the 500. I'll take the over. I just think he's the type of human being, Nick, that just doesn't give him an F. I think he's just going to go right back to running the same way, putting his body on the line the same way he has throughout his career that's led to two major neck injuries or one major neck injury, one four game neck injury, when he came back and did not look good against the Raiders throwing the football before the injury and the ACL, this is just the type of player he is. He's balls. This is why the teammates love him because he puts his body on the line. And that's why he's loved among the Giants, you know, locker room. And so I don't think that's going to just change. I think that would take away too much of who he is as a quarterback. So I think we'll get a lot of rushing yards this year. Again, this is obviously contingent on him staying healthy. And I think if he does get bench for the injury guarantee, this will probably be an under, but I'm willing to take the over. Devin Singletary, 950 rushing yards. And before you answer that, I want you to guess how many he had last year. So he wasn't starter for the Texans until the very end, but he did have a role all season long. I would guess he had like 890 last year. It's a good guess. He had 986. He's never gone over a thousand yards, but Devin Singletary at 986 in 2023, 892 in 2022, 977 in 2021 with Brian Dable, 750 in 2020 and 833 in 2019. And we know he also adds value as a receiver. He kind of deceptively has had more yardage than I originally thought before I dove into the stats. He's a good player. He's an underrated player. We're going to find that out this year, but I'm taking the under here, Nick. I think part of why he, part of why I'm taking the under is he barely eclipsed the smart last year of the Texans and Bobby Sloak actually had a really high neutral run rate. They are a run based system that Channa Handtree and they have a lot of leads that the Giants I'm not so sure are going to have. So those two factors at play here, one, not sure the Giants will be leading as many games as the Texans, two, not as many light boxes and three, just not having the run centric focus. I think Dable will really morph this thing into a past heavy attack this year from a neutral pass rate and all those advanced stats. So I'm going to take the under here. I am also taking the under, but I think Devin Singletary, if he does not get injured, he will have over 900 yards. So it's going to be right in this area. Like I'm taking slightly under and slightly over on all of these numbers. I'm going to take the slight under here. I think Singletary, man, the reason why I'm taking the slight under is Tyrone Tracy Jr, who is going to be more of a factor. Look, the guy was taking first team reps like a lot in practice and it wasn't just these like quick little screens or these quick little check that it wasn't anything like that. It was, we're going to give you the football off tackle and make you make Michael McFadden miss in the hole and he was able to do that quite often in training camp. I think Tyrone Tracy Jr is an excellent, not to bring fantasy into it again, but he's a good late round fantasy pick in these four point PPR leads because he's going to have a role if he can get and stay healthy by week one. Really good final round bench stash for you. If you still have your fantasy drafts and if he's on your waiver wire, definitely someone worth stashing five rushing TDs for Devin Singletary over under. I'm going to go slightly under again. Now I think Eric Ray could factor into this. Devin Singletary is going to be the primary back, but Devin Singletary has like 15 touches in a game. They might put Eric Gray out there once in a while. Like I don't think Eric Gray is going to have like 30 carries this year. He's going to have a role. 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Additional taxes fees and restrictions apply. It's even mobile for details. So, you know, very strong offensive system there. And obviously playing with Josh Allen. Having said that, the Giants Run game has been a big part of their red zone offense since these two arrived. So, you know, utilizing Jones's ability to run the zone read things like that nature, bootlegs, you know, different types of, you know, I guess I would say misdirection that could ultimately lead up to Devin Singletary as a really good inside runner. It's just a matter of, I guess, the role I have in the red zone. Because I also think Eric Gray may be a factor in the red zone. And potentially Tyrone Tracy as well, Nick. Like there's no guarantee he won't. I'm going to take the over though. I think he's a good enough inside runner that he'll get above five touchdowns this year. He's a better inside runner than people give him credit for, given the fact that he's like five, seven, two hundred pounds. Well, I think again, this goes back to something we always talk about. And I always like to bring up. I don't know that that actually works against him. I think that low center of gravity and that leverage that he has actually kind of helps him as a runner in the tight spaces. You're right. I think people have a misconception of him though that he's like a scat back and just a little bit more than that. Just because he is on his pound for pounds such a strong, such a strong player pound for pound. Let's get to some fun ones. I'm like neighbors over on theirs. 85 catches. I'm over. I would be stunned if he doesn't get over. If he plays all 17 games, 85 catches because I'm really projecting Nick about 160 targets. Seems lofty. But again, I think this is going to be a pass first attack is passing early and often using the pass open the run game. And he is the focal point. So I'm thinking 160 targets. And if he catches, if he was only to make a little above 50% of his targets, let's say, turned catchable, that would shock me, given what I've seen from him at the catch point. What about 100? Let's bump it up by 15. Okay. I'm still taking you over. What about you? I love it, dude. That's spicy. So I had him breaking one of my bold takes was he's going to break all the rookie receiving records. I think it's definitely possible, man. So I'm going to take the over as well. And I know that is lofty, but the Giants are not going to be, I don't think the Giants are going to be dominating teams. To where they're running the clock out too often. And you're going to be in comeback mode. That's how they had success back in 2022. We go back to 2022. How many comebacks that the Giants have early in that season? A lot. Naya Malik neighbors that all of its just entirely, entirely centralized around Malik neighbors. So 100 catches with his skill set with all the targets and the opportunity that he's going to have. He's going to command what? Like a 30% target share, a 28% target share. 100 catches within the realm of possibility with his skills. Yeah. Garrett Wilson, a 28% target share last year. I think that's about what Lake neighbors will get this year, which is a massive, massive target share. All right. 1,550 receiving yards over under for neighbors. That's 1,150. Sorry. 1,100 receiving yards. 1550 of the insane. I'm going to take the over there as well. I don't think it's going to quite be like Jamar chase 14. I think he had like 1450 1460, but it's going to be more than 1,150. So I'm taking the over. Yeah, look, my prediction, Nick, the entire time for neighbors. Rookie season was very similar to Jalen waddles rookie season. That was before McDaniel got there and they revamped their offense. What that was was insane amount of targets, insane amount of receptions, a great amount of yards and not a lot of touchdowns. So the over here as well for me, but not a huge over a slight over here. What about receiving touchdowns at eight and a half? I'm taking the under here. It's just a lot of touchdowns for a team that hasn't thrown for a lot of touchdowns. I did say that Jones will potentially get over the 21 and a half passing touchdowns, but I think he will. But I don't think it's like he's firing off 30 or 35. I think it's more in that mid 20s range, in which case, you know, neighbors would have to get over a third of the touchdowns. And I just think in the red zone, we've seen enough unique designs from Kafka and Dable as well, where there will be just like touchdowns that go to the tight ends. Bellinger, man hurts like you said, might even get a pair. Theo Johnson, some of the running backs, you know, all the different players on this roster. He won't be as concentrated in the red zone where defenses happen easier time, taking him away. Was the highest receiving touchdown total for a New York giant in the Daniel Jones, Eric Darius Slaton in 2019? How many was that? Eight. I think so. Yeah. I don't believe there's been any, but like who else? Well, it's hard not to. Like Jones has thrown for 15, 12 and 10 touchdowns in his other years. I think it was 15, 12 or 11 maybe. So yeah, I'm taking a slight under as well, especially because I think when the Giants get in the red zone, all eyes are going to be on Malik neighbors and Brian Dable is too good of a coach to not exploit the vulnerabilities with his other talented wide receivers and Jalen Hyatt and Wanda Robinson. And for the record, Nick, this is an over under receiving touchdowns. Nick and I both believe there's a chance neighbors can get a rushing touchdown, which wouldn't factor in here in the jet sweep, baby. He will. He will. All right. Jalen Hyatt over under 45 catches. Like 45 catches is a good number, man. I kind of want to go push, but I'm going to go slightly over because I believe in the second year jump that he's taking all the work that he's put in. So I'm going over 45. I believe in Jalen Hyatt. I am not concerned, but intrigued by end of training camp rotation I saw between Hyatt and Slaton. Obviously, Satan had the big play in the Texans preceding game and then it kind of we kind of saw a change in how they're operating camp. I think that could be not permanent, but it could be how they start the season. And if it is how they start season Nick, I think Darius Lane's too good of a player to just take off the field. So I think he's going to be in a rotation with Slaton. And it's going to be hard for him to rack up that amount of catches in a rotation unless the offense is really one of the best passing offense. So I'm going to say under. Yeah, it's tough, man. It is. All right. What about 550 receiving yards? He's talent. Again, he's talented enough to beat these numbers for 45 catches and 550, but I'm going to go under again just because opportunity and the combination of opportunity and me not fully sold yet on the Giants pass offense. Yeah, for 550, I am going to go under as well, I think. Now I'm really tempted though, because if I have over on 45 catches, I think he's going to go for more than 550 receiving yards because his ADOT is probably going to be like 1670. Last year it was 16.2 was his yards per reception. He only had 23 catches last year and he only caught 57.5% of the balls thrown his way. Hopefully he can raise that up. Hopefully he can be more of a receiving threat in the short and intermediate parts of the field and not just, "Oh, we have the one-on-one tie rod throw a deep type of receiver." So you know what? Now screw that, man. I want to go over 550 for our guy, Fiona. I'm buying into that development, baby, and I'm buying into the fact that he's going to see so much less attention because of Malik Nader's presence. How about the four and a half touchdowns for high over on? I'm going under there though. Under as well for me. Okay, Wanda Robinson over under 72 and a half catches. Nice. I'm going to go over the Wanda Robinson 72 and a half catches. Last year I think he had like 60. So he started the season when I'm a pup. He ended up coming off, what, week three or something? He got out there to slow transition. He came out after the season saying he didn't really feel 100% until that Green Bay game. There's going to be so many schemed plays underneath against two high and cover four type of defenses for Wanda Robinson. So I'm going to go over 72 and a half catches. This is a tough one for me because I'm just, it all depends, Nick, on how the Giants deploy their offense this year. Is there going to be a lot of 12? Is there going to be these, you know, 21% out group? Even if that means Bellinger at fullback. And I've seen a lot of that so far in camp in the preseason. I also wonder like when they do go to that, will they have one down the field or will they just view one down such a good piece from a schematic standpoint? Like when we have him on the field, we can use priest that motion. We can use him on jet sweeps. We can use him on all these different things that make him eye candy and make our offense more unpredictable that they can't take him off the field. I'm going to over this one lean toward that side of it, that one there will be viewed as a piece that they can't take off the field and it will be more of a rotation for Hyatt and Slaton. Despite them playing more traditional wide receiver roles. So within that, I'm going to say over on catches. All right. What about three and a half touchdowns for Wanda Robinson? Do we do yards yet for him or did you do that one? I did not. My bad. 600 yards for Wanda Robinson. Over for me. Over for 650 yards. I'm going to go slightly over. Not by too much though. I don't think Wanda Robinson is going to be a thousand yard wide. I would absolutely love it. I think he's going to have so many things designed for him behind the line of scrimmage or at the line of scrimmage. He has the ability to create yards after the catch, but I don't think he's going to be creating 20, 30, 40 yards after the catch too frequently. So I'm going to go slightly over on that. Okay. All right. And then touchdown catches for one down at four and I'm sorry, three and a half. I'm going to go under. I think it'll be like three. I think it'll be right around three to some of those. We've seen some of those red zone designs where they can get him open with rubber outs and things of that nature. But outside of that, he's not the guy you expected either one, do those like long bomb teeties because they don't really use him that much in that regard. And then to make those kind of like contested catches in the red zone. Again, though, I'm conflicted because I know that Malik neighbors going to command so much attention in the red zone and Juan Dale is just shifty, dude. You get it. There's going to be a little arrow route pivot route. Things of that nature in the red zone outside the numbers inside the numbers between the hashes. I think the Giants are going to have schemed up for him and he has enough talent to make a couple guys miss and then just like launch himself over the pylon. Or launch himself into the end zone for a touchdown. I'm just going to, I'm going to stick though with under. Just slight under for me. Okay, Darry Slaton over under 55 catches. 55 catches. I'm going to go slight under here with Darry Slaton split in time with Jalen Hyde because I think Jalen Hyde is going to have a little bit more of a role than maybe I originally anticipated going in the training camp. Same. Same. I just don't think I'll have enough snaps for it. How about 650 yards? Again, slightly under. Same just because of the snaps but I think he'll do a lot with his snaps and I think he's going to have another high yards per catch, yards per target, good separation rates on the advanced metrics. The guy's been good on film for years and people are just kind of sleep on him because the whole passing off and it's been so dead in the water but he's good when he gets his chances. I just don't know if he'll get enough chances this year. Exactly. And for context with Darry Slaton too. Darry Slaton had 50 catches last year, 51 in 2022, 50 in 2020. He only had 26 in 2021 and then 48 in 2019. But he's gone over 700 yards every year except for that 2021 season. Deep threat kind of guy has 19 career touchdowns. Eight of them did come in 2019 but that brings us to how many touchdowns do you think Darry Slaton will have? And I'll say the same down to four. Yeah. And I'll say this about the yards. Based on what you just broke down Nick, it would seem like pretty obvious. Oh, well, then he'll definitely go over the yardage again because the passing offense is going to be more explosive. But the difference is they didn't have neighbors in this offense in previous seasons. So I think that really is going to lead to him just not playing as much. But four TDs, I actually think he's going to, I'm going to go push on here. He's going to get to four, maybe even five TDs. I would go push lean toward over. The thing about Slaton is he makes freaking big plays. He had two long bomb TDs. The last two games of the season. In week 17, week 18 with Tyrod Taylor last year, there were like 70 and 65 preseason game. I think they were both 80 actually. They're both 80. That's insane. The preseason game, he came inches away from another touchdown catch with Jones. I think they turned on to a rushing TD, but it was very good. What? One was 69. The one against Philly was 69. The one against the Rams was 80. Wow. 80. Beautiful play by Tyrod too. That was one of the best throws I've ever seen by Giants quarterback in my entire lifetime outside of Eli Manning, including him. It would probably be in the top 10. Doubt it, go look at it. There's cut-ups of it everywhere. I've put it on Twitter a million times. That was an insane throw by Tyrod Taylor. He launched that thing 60 in the air on a line. It hit the receiver in stride outside shoulder. Kind of an insane throw by Tyrod. Tyrod is the most underrated explosive arm in the NFL. I would say people view him as not a good explosive throw. He has all sorts of things he does wrong in his game. A short accuracy isn't great. He gets injured a lot. You know, Barium for that all you want makes some stupid decisions like the Bills game, but as far as just his explosive arm talent goes, it's kind of insane. It really is. It really is. The ball jumps out of his arm. Again, man, he's like six foot one, like all eight or 200. Have that kind of arm talent at six. One makes no sense. Yeah, he launches it, dude. He gets his hips in it, man. All torque, baby. Yeah, remember we had Sims on and he broke it down for us. Matt Sims broke it down. He's like the way that Tyrod Taylor throws, it's special to watch because he can generate so much torque. And explosion from such a small body type, it's kind of insane, but you know, that helps. And I still think Slien is going to get there with Jones because he has that report with Jones and he scored a lot of touch on some. So I'm going to take the push slash over for that. Yeah, I got aggressive with this one. Didn't know exactly how to phrase it. So you can we can deconstruct this. I just have tight end one. Now, if we want to combine whoever's starting at tight end here with Theo Johnson and Daniel Bellinger, because I don't think either is going to reach the numbers that I have listed, but both of them together will. But let's just say Theo Johnson or Daniel Bellinger plays over 65% of the snaps and is out there on a lot of passing downs. I have 40 catches for tight end one over under. I'll go under. Yeah, I'm going to go under as well because again, I think tight end two is going to also see the double Y sets. We're going to see more 12 personnel than I think we also expect. I think we're going to see a lot of 11 personnel like a lot of NFL teams do employ, but there's going to be 12 personnel. They're going to throw and work the play action passing attack out of 12 personnel because it's something Daniel Jones has done a decent job at through his career. So I'm going to go though under 40 catches for tight end one. What about 450 yards? That one's tough, especially if they're utilizing him, whoever that may be Bellinger or Theo in the screen game, which could give extra free yardage, which they will, which they will. I'm still going to go under just too many different tight ends will be on the field. Yeah, it's going to be under for me as well. Daniel Bellinger had just under 300 yards his rookie season, but again, he missed several games after he got punched in the eye against Jacksonville. So something maybe, but this offense is completely different than it was two years ago. And then I have three and a half touchdowns. I'm going to go over for this one. I think I'd rather not to cut you off, man. I think I'd rather just set a number and say, well, the tight end room had more than six and a half touchdowns. I would take under for that, probably. I don't know. I think Manards gets like one or two silly ones where we're like, Oh, Chris Manards. Like Chris Myrick used to do all the time, like those kind of touchdowns. And then I can see Theo having three and Daniel having two or three. So I think I might take over on this six. No, I'm taking over on that. I take a change of mine. I think that look with neighbors in the mix here, there's going to be these nice opportunities for these tight ends in the red zone to be in one on one coverage. Big body type Theo is the one who I think could really score a lot of touchdowns for the Giants this year with his body type and how fast he's picked up the offense. And remember back in 2022, how much Mike Kafka and Brian Dable scheme specifically the tight end position in the red room for Daniel Bellinger or rookie. Okay. And we have now he's a vet. You have Manards is a vet, not necessarily receiving guy, but no one's going to really be paying too much attention to him when he is out there. Andrew Thomas could get your frickin touchdown. Does that count as a frickin tight end touchdown when he's a big offensive lineman who's a knowledgeable receiver? I don't know. And then, you know, Johnson, who again, I think is a talented red zone threat. So I'm going to go over for that six and a half number. I think it's better than going, who's going to play tight end more? I don't know. I agree. Let's flip to the other side of the ball. Dexter Lawrence, six and a half sacks over under. I'm going over six and a half sacks for Dexter Lawrence. And then 71 and a half pressures and I'll do mine right after yours over 71 and a half pressures for Dexter Lawrence as well. I'm going to go slide under on these. Unfortunately, I think that this defense will give them as a unit more opportunities to get sacks, but I'm a little not nervous, Nick, but maybe cautiously not optimistic. I guess would be the term of how much more often we saw Dexter Lawrence not lined up over the center so far and training camp. I think that can help him, though. Do you think it's going to help him? Not necessary. So let me explain. So Dexter Lawrence thrives over the center because it forces that center to basically block Dexter Lawrence anchor down and I felt like Wink Martindale did a very good job ensuring that he had one-on-one matchups against that center. I think a similar thing is going to happen with Dexter Lawrence aligning at the four I shade with Brian Burns out wide. And that's going to force this poor damn offensive guard to kick out and try to reach Dexter Lawrence as a four I shade moving laterally while Dexter Lawrence is pushing him back. It's going to put it's going to force so many full slides and half slides. Now, well, that result in sacks for Dexter Lawrence. I'm not entirely sure. I think he's talented enough to where he can dominate that matchup. And even if they do slide in that direction, it's going to, he can still defeat that. But Brian Burns is going to have that one-on-one matchup to that side with Dexter Lawrence. That's a wide defender. That tackle completely stressed, probably going to have some attention paid in that direction through either a tight end or a running back. But who also might benefit from this is Kavon on the other end. Because with that half slide or that full slide towards Dexter Lawrence, it's going to have a lot of one-on-one matchups for Kavon Tibido who honestly hasn't fully reached that hasn't really come close to I think the potential we expected of Kavon Tibido when he came out of Oregon. I know he had double digit sacks last year, but it wasn't like he was beating some of the above average or even very good tackles in the national football. He was kind of feasting against middling tackles. I think there's still a lot that I think we can see from Kavon. We might be able to see it because he's going to be in such a prime position in third and six plus because how Shane Bowen is going to employ the overload one side of the line of scrimmage with the talent of Dexter Lawrence at a four-eye and then Brian Burns at a wide defender. And I think that can, I'm not sure if that's going to result in a lot of sacks for Dex, not to do a whole 360 here. But I really think it's going to help the entire defense, but I'm still taking over on both of those. I like it. I'm going to take a slight under because I think more so what you broke down might be what ends up happening, which is, you know, it leads to more sacks. I guess just box score production from the rest of the Giants players while still he's just as effective Dexter Lawrence. And we'll see what happens there. How about Brian Burns numbers sacks over under eight and a half 59 pressures. I have over on both of these. I'm also with you on that. I think Brian Burns is going to destroy these numbers potentially, especially the pressure's number. I just think he's such a good fit for the system. And I think he's such a, it's helps him so much at Dexter Lawrence next to him for that. I mean, look, the Panthers had that one dude that Dave Gettleman like that forgot his name, the D's apple. It's like a good player. I think he's turned into a pretty solid player. He's nowhere near Dexter Lawrence, especially moving laterally, especially as a pass rusher. They're not even a remote conversation. Now Brian Burns has that. And that's going to be a difference maker for him. So I'm taking the over on both of these. For context with Burns, Burns had over 59 pressures once. And that was in 2022, but he had 51 in 2021 and he had 57 in 2020. Last year, he only had 40 in 379 pass rushing reps, but the sacks he's always had over, I think, eight or seven and a half. PFF counts the halves as full. So it gets a little murky with that. And I think, again, being used wide with Dexter Lawrence on your side, it's going to just allow him to feast on one on one match ups and I'm looking forward to watching that. So Brian Burns over on both. Cave on Thibodeau sacks over under seven and a half and 52 and a half pressures. Yeah, seven and a half. I'm going to take slight under on that. But I do think he's going to be an effective player who's going to have more than 52 and a half pressures. So I'm going to go under on the sacks of seven and a half over on the pressures of 52 and a half. So the sacks I'm definitely going to go over on personally, just because I think he does a good job of closing and getting those sacks. He's done so in his first two years. The pressures one is a little more interesting to me, because he just has to become a more effective pass rusher, I think, to beat that number. But he does have so much more to work with this year in the sense that, like, he has Brian Burns across from him. And I think he has a system that's going to help him because I don't think he's going to stop completely dropping into coverage. But I think that's going to change a little bit. And he's going to drop less into coverage than he ever did under Wink Martindale, which means more opportunities. So let's see, with KVON. So I wanted to run this by you. By the way, his PFF pitcher, he has glasses on, looks, looks very fly. He dropped into coverage 84 times last year and 71 times in 2022. I think he's going to drop into coverage probably around that, if not more, because I don't know if the Giants want to drop Brian Burns that frequently off into coverage. We've heard Burns vocalize that he was a little displeased with dropping into coverage as frequently as he did with the Carolina Panthers. And no shame bone is going to run a lot of simulated pressures. And if you run simulated pressure, you're dropping somebody in the coverage. In the red zone, it might be Dexter Lawrence, which is like crazy, but we saw him do that with Jeffrey Simmons very frequently over in Tennessee. So I think if one of those guys have to drop off in the coverage, dropping KVON off, if you have your choice, obviously, you don't want to establish a very notable trend that can be exploited by an offense. A Brian Burns at this point in their careers is a much better pass rusher than KVON. You're right. I just kind of hope this coordinator is going to do it last because I understand the value of simulated pressures. But I also like the idea of just letting your front four win and seeing what happens there. Yeah, it's fair enough to. All right, let's get to the last one. And then we're going to do some season long win loss predictions. Team total interception 16 and a half. So 2022, the Giants won a playoff game. They had six interceptions. They ranked last in the end of last year when the Giants were one of the laughing stocks of the league. They had 18 interceptions. So again, it's a very flooky number. Now, 16 and a half. I'm going to take slight under, but they're going to have more than six interceptions. I think they'll have like 12, 13, 14. I think a lot of them will be by the safety position. And I'm hoping that Deontay banks can take a step forward and get, you know, three, four, five interceptions. I don't, I'm not entirely sure of that. Maybe some of the simulated pressures cave on or Brian Burns come away with one or two. I'm going to take slight under that. What about you? I'm going to go over here. I think this is a bet on the system and a bet on my belief in this past rush with Brian birds added to the past rush. So I think I'm going to get, we're going to get about six combined. Maybe seven from a Dory and Deontay banks alone. I think we're going to get about six, maybe seven, maybe eight combined from the safety. Let's say seven and eight there, 15. And I think Bobby O'Karrick is going to chip in with a few. And I think that's going to get us to that number. Maybe Drew will have one. Maybe Drew won't need to have any Kentucky. We'll see if you can get some of the NFL game. But I think I'm just going to go slight over with Bobby tripping in maybe two, maybe three, Bobby O'Karrick. Okay, that is. And then the safeties and corners really the big safeties, the big two and the corners really doing their job. Okay, Dan, look, we did the ceiling podcast. We talked about how everything could go right. We've been called negative people before when it comes to the New York Giants. So now, for the third year in a row, I don't know if we did it in the previous seasons. Maybe we did, but the Giants were just so bad that we drank all of those memories away. Let's do our record predictions for the 2024 New York Giants. Well, I think the funny thing is the duality of the situation, because you mentioned we've been called like haters of the Giants are negative. We've also been called the complete opposite, like the homers. And so it's just, I love when you brought that up, the duality of being a Giants, you know, analyst and talking about this team and how some people think you're negative. Some people think you're positive. But I think the good thing is the majority of people who listen to our show think that we're objective and that's why they come back and they listen to us, which is really great. Um, record prediction. So I nailed it. And I got on cold freezing cold takes in 2022, because Adam Mazer was like, ha, Dan, I think nine wins. This team is going to win five at most. And the Giants did win nine games and I had a breakdown as to why it touched on a few things from a schematic standpoint, but it touched on one major thing to touch on the schedule that schedule in 2022 was very favorable. Schedule in 2023 was less favorable. The schedule in 2024, Nick, is not very favorable. Playing the AFC North is a nightmare is a straight up nightmare, both from the fact that you're going to play some games in the cold. You're playing against a lot of good defenses. And these days are playing against Joe burrow Lamar Jackson. And I don't think just Sean Watson is good, but I think Kevin Savanski is a goddamn, sorry, I can't believe I said that I apologize. They're also playing some tough contests in the NFC as well. And the division, while it got a little worse, I think, with the Dallas Cowboys potentially falling up from a deaf standpoint, it's a little harder when you have to face Jaden Daniels instead of Sam Howell. Let's be honest about the situation. So I don't think that sweep is as guaranteed as it was against Washington. So unfortunately, Nick, I am going with seven and 10 as my final prediction. If I was on the schedule, I gave them some games that I didn't think they'd win, but then I took away some games that they might end up losing against just tough spots like even some of their easier games Nick, like Pittsburgh. It's in Pittsburgh at night. Like that is an annoying spot to go to Pittsburgh at night. Even Seattle, I don't think it's going to be that great of a team because they're online. It's in Seattle, one of the toughest places to play. So they have a lot of tougher spots. Atlanta is on their schedule and I think Atlanta is going to win that division and maybe win 11 and 12 games I'm very high in Atlanta over this year. It just came down to the schedule for me, man. It's a tough schedule. I think the Giants will be better than people think as a football team using the, what you said earlier with Daniel Jones, everybody's counting against us, you know, back and so on. Nobody believes us. I think helps football teams, but the schedule is just too tough for me. So seven and 10. Seven and 10 is fair. I am right in that ballpark. I actually have them going eight and nine though. I have them with one more win. I think all of the points that you made are very accurate. They are playing the NFC South, though. So you have the Carolina Panthers, so I think it will be better than a lot of people expect. I think Bryce Young is probably going to have a slight bounce back year with Dave Canales as his head football coach. I think the Saints are a tire fire. I think the Bucks are a beatable team. You're right about Washington. That's not going to be as easy as a sweep. I still think they are talent wise, probably the worst team in the division. The Giants can probably make an argument there, but I feel like New York should win a game. If not sweep them. I'm not going to go with this week. Let's go with one game. I think the Giants can beat Philadelphia and Dallas with every if everything doesn't go like 100% correctly, but we've seen them compete against Philadelphia last season. Philadelphia. There's still some weird stuff surrounding that team. I think they're going to bounce back this season, but Nick Siriani and Jalen Hertz didn't talk for like the latter half Alaska. There was a lot of weird weirdness around. I'm surprised that Siriani is back. So I wouldn't be shocked. The Giants can steal one of those games, maybe even two against Dallas and Philadelphia wouldn't be shocked. I don't think it's going to happen, but I wouldn't be shocked. So I have them being competitive into December and then falling off and not making the playoffs and winning eight games, losing nine. And overall, finding themselves in a position where they're picking in the teens and they're just like, Oh, what do we do now with our quarterback situation who plays and it's going to be one of those situations. But I'm hoping that the Giants can win a little bit more than that and maybe go to the playoffs and we can have another fun 2022 type season. Yeah, have them slightly below that, though, at eight, nine. Yeah, it's interesting because just to touch on this a little bit more in depth, I almost feel like the Giants have a better chance of stealing one of the games against Philly than they do against Dallas is here, even though I think Philly might be an overall better team. I think that we've seen over the course of the history of watching this franchise. Giants don't really and haven't really had any answer for Dak Prescott at any point. If you look at Dak Prescott's numbers against the Giants, it's bonkers, dude. Like he has lit us the F up and that includes games like last year, where's 40 nothing and he didn't even have to throw for a full half. So if you're looking at raw numbers, it's not even going to tell the true story. The opposite has kind of been true about Jalen Hertz. Patrick Graham found a game where he stopped Jalen Hertz last year. Mark Dale found a game where he stopped Jalen Hertz. The Giants have shut down Hertz two games. That's more than they can say about Dak Prescott, despite facing Dak, and they did shut down Dak once the game in 2016 when Janouris Jenkins shut down Desboro. Almost 10 years ago, eight years ago, which is insane. So it's really not important or relevant at this point. But that just kind of goes to show that like they've been playing Dak for a while and he's really torched them up. I think Dak's processing is just too quite in quick and too good to be completely honest for what the Giants can put up this year at corner and that safety and just overall on the secondary and the second level of the linebackers. He beats you to the spot with his with his mind. So this might not mean anything at all, but shame Bowen defeated Dak Prescott at the end of the 2022 season. 13 to 27. So the Titans scored 27 points. Obviously the team just so different. I'm not sure if Derek Henry ran a lot. I don't really remember the context. But I do know just looking briefly at the stats back through two picks against a shame Bowen coach defense. So maybe there is something there, but they didn't meet too frequently because it was an AFC team. And how look at Dallas man Dallas to me took a losing Dan Quinn is a big part. Now they bring a Mike Zimmer. I have a lot of respect for Mike Zimmer and what Mike Zimmer can do and I think Mike Zimmer can be a very big headache. For Daniel Jones, but I don't think those games are as unwinnable as in previous seasons because one of the thing, one of the primary reasons why Dallas just bitched the New York Giants isn't just Dak, it was Dak, but it was also the Giants just having nothing on the offensive line to protect Daniel Jones. So I think that's going to be improved containing my comparisons. Very difficult thing to do. Well the Giants do that. I don't think so, but I think it will slow it down and give the Giants at least a fighter's chance to maybe steal one of those games. I'm hoping man like I'm sick of losing to the Dallas Cowboys. I'm sick of losing to the Eagles in Philadelphia. The Giants need to see some of these victories at this point man because it's been a laughing stock for almost a decade plus now where the Giants have just been getting their asses kicked against these two teams in their division and these are two teams in our division that we're actual rivals with. I look at Washington together our rivals but like, you know, like, whatever, like, no, I don't really personally care too much about Washington. I don't know about you. Those other two teams. I have a strong disdain for those two teams, but that will change for me if Jayden Daniels is amazing. If Jayden breaks out the NFL level, we will quickly learn to hate the Washington football team because they will be winning a lot of games and that's just a reality. But it has been as bad as we have been these last 10 years. So that's not easy. You know, it's easy to not hate them. The Dallas and the Eagles, they've been good these last 10 years when we've sucked. So it's easier to hate them. I just think what happened last 10 years? Just the one. Just the one. Yeah, they haven't won. That's the difference and Cowboys haven't won a Super Bowl since they were VHS type since we were watching stuff on VHS. So really, it's been a while for these franchises, but ultimately within the division they've been beating the Giants. So too many. There's been closer losses. There's too many of those that don't go the Giants way since he lied retired. And that's just how it's been. But look, if they only, let's say they do split with Dallas and they split with the Eagles. If they only split with Washington, Nick, which is possible, that's three wins there. I think they're probably fair to say the only win half of the games against the AFC North and NFC South and that's probably being generous at seven. So it's just going to come down to those swing games. And that's the difference. But look, the over under on the Giants is six and a half in Vegas. You probably get plus odds on the over because a lot of people are betting the under. Seems like it's not a bad bet. The only thing is like if Daniel Jones does get bent for that injury guarantee, it's going to get wonky and like it's going to be a sweat that you're not going to want to have to make. There are some variables in there that really will make you sweat your ass off and the swing games are Seattle, which adds difficult up in Seattle. I think Ben Grubb is going to do. Do well with that offense and Mike McDonald is a defensive minded head coach who just coached one of the best defenses in the league. So I think Seattle could actually be one of those surprise teams this year. I'm also a big believer in Genos as I know you are too. Genos method is a very underrated quarterback. And then Indianapolis and it's just like it's hard to really peg down how good Indianapolis is going to be and that's like what a week 17 or week 16. Anthony Richardson even going to be playing at that point. His physical not is that even like this is great because I think you're kind of legit. Yeah, yeah, I just believe in Shane's I was just saying anything there. Yeah, it's like he's like, look at what he was able to do with Gardner Minshew. And with Jalen Hertz who hasn't really been the same since he left. Yeah, again, that's a very weird situation with her. Like I buy into Jalen Hertz as a talent and as a leader especially. And I, it's easy for me I guess to sit here and say I don't buy into Nick Siriani. It's just Nick Siriani as an outsider seems to rub a lot of people the wrong way and when that doesn't really get what he's offering because he was supposed to be an offensive mind right and like they're often sucked under him last year when they lost Steichen. Yeah, I mean, well, they lost Steichen in Ganon and that was I think we brought it up on the podcast. We're like, if there's a team that's going to take a step back. It's the Eagles. We still thought they would make the playoffs. They did. And they started hot. So it looked bad. But then it just crumbled once teams got tape on them because they lost their defensive and their offensive coordinator. They went to the Super Bowl with those guys. You lost them. You try to replace them and it was an absolute tire fire. And I ran Kellen Moore and that's going to be interesting. And Vic Fangio. And Vic Fangio. And that's one of the reasons why I'm like, I don't think they're going to be as bad because of that. But the head coach, there is some stink there. And I wouldn't be shocked if that stink remains. If it smells like crap early in the season. Oh, Siri, he is hot. See, he's like on the top hot seat. I know. And you have two guys there who Dick Fangio has been a head coach. Yes, you can do the interim either. Right. Exactly. And then Kellen Moore, he's a respected offensive coordinator at this point. So it should be interesting what's going to happen in the NFC. I would love to love to see that. And then I still see Nick Siri on a face doing that at the end when they beat the Giants in the divisional round and he was doing that like. Yeah, they watch it on YouTube. You know what I'm talking about. That was a comfortable moment you've ever seen from a coach. I think his most punchable moment was in it. That was a one of them. He's like, he has many, you can put up there. But his most punchable was last year. I think it was the Vikings or somebody with the Chiefs when he went into the tunnel and he just did whatever he did there. He just looks like, he's just such a like, it looks like the kind of guy who is like, you know, when they, when they thought Gannon was going to be a terrible coach for the Cardinals because he had that first interview. He was like, it was weird. And everybody was kind of like, Oh, this is the guy you don't want because he's not relatable. I think you did a damn good job coaching that team last year, considering everything they went through. And I think he's going to pretty much do a good job. The defense is horrific. So you might not like have no talent on that defense, but whatever. But he's going to try to make the most of it. But like, I think he actually kind of relates to his players. But I don't think Nick Siri on relates to his players at all. I think you're accurate with that latter point. I can't really speak to Gannon relating to him. But I'll say this much. When we had Ed Smith on Herb Smith's uncle who covers the Cardinals. He brought up Drew Petzing. This was when Drew Petzing was very young. We all by him. Yeah, we watched week one and we were like, Oh, they did some interesting stuff. You know, they did Josh Dobbs as their quarterback against the Giants who wasn't there much longer and they were able to move the football against the Giants. You could say, Oh, maybe that's not saying all that much. But throughout the season, they had a pretty respectable offense with their backs against the wall and a returning Kyler Murray from a torn ACL. So I like a Drew Petzing and I'm like, that guy knows how to coach offense. But remember watching the offensive line? I mean, like, who's the center that they had who had like a Swedish last name or like this guy's blocking like he's doing like, he's not dominating Dexter Lawrence, but he's like, not getting embarrassed like we expect. As he should have. Right. Yeah, it was crazy. Like, and I think it's like he comes from the chananda tree. If I'm not mistaken, Petzing and that tree man. They just find it. Like, that's the tree I want. Like, they find ways to create run schemes that work, regardless of the offensive line. Miami's doing it. Arizona is doing it. You don't need the star big names on your old line. Even San Frans old line is like falling apart outside of Trent Williams. And it doesn't matter. They're still going to be there. It doesn't matter. They're still going to be in effective offense because of Shannon. And I just feel like that's something that NFL is like that, whatever that system has right now, they have a little bit of an up, even like, you know, and I love Brian Dable and what he runs. But I think you still get a little bit of an upgrade with the chananda tree because you get that run game based on the scheme that kind of negates the old line to an extent. And I'm hoping, Dan, that we can see that now a little bit because what does Brian Dable and this is kind of coach speak, but we've heard Brian Dable talk about self scouting after every single season. And what have we seen in training camp and in preseason? We've seen some wrinkles in the rushing attacks, stuff that we saw a little bit in 2022. But I think what the addition of Jakob Johnson was going to have a role when he's promoted off the practice squad to the active roster. You're going to see some full back usage. I think you're going to see some of the motion. I think that's going to allow the passing attack to maybe gain a slight edge against those intermediate defenders, man, because if you run like that orbit motion with Wanda Robinson off a run, hand the football off, get three yards, get four yards, get five yards. And now you throw that bubble. Those linebackers are pinched up on that third fourth play. And then once you actually throw it to Wanda Robinson, you allow him to pick up extra yards. That can be an extra first down here or there because it was in those linebackers brain that, oh, well, that orbit, we don't really have to account for that because I saw that three times before they ran the football and that's marrying the run with the pass as one of the ways you do it. And I think Dable is going to do that. We've seen Shanahan. We've seen Nick Vay. They all do this very well. So I'm hoping that we see even more creative wrinkles that haven't been exposed in preseason or really even in training camp when the media was available from Brian Dable. Now that they have a functional offensive line and a couple more weapons at their disposal. I like it Nick. I definitely like it. All right, that's our over unders on stats and our season prediction for the Giants in 2024. We hope they beat this prediction, but we're trying to make this as objective and accurate as possible when we look back. But look, the Giants are type of team that have always been at their best when their back is against the wall of seven, when Tiki said Eli should, you know, is, you know, Tiki said what he said about Eli. Eleven, they didn't really have high expectations going into that year, 2016. They didn't have high expectations at all. And they made the playoffs with Eli and then 2022. Again, predicted to be like they are this year, one of the worst teams. I just feel like psychologically, it does help you as a football team when you're dead. No, nobody believes in us like that type of stuff. So I think they're going to be better than we expect and then people expect. It's just a matter of can they get over that hump of becoming a seven or eight win team like you are, I think, and becoming that 10 or nine or 11 win team. Let's say this one thing, okay, last year when we did our record predictions. If you were to tell Dan Schneider, Nick Folado, that Andrew Thomas would have been lost for most of this year. No, Dan Waller. To other ACL, that Darren Waller was a non factor, the safe one, Barkley had a high ankle sprain for a part of this. If you were to tell us all of those things, we would not have said that we wouldn't have said that they won six games. We'd be like, oh, they were going to have like the first overall four, two, three, but the coaching allowed them to do that with an undrafted rookie, right? So I think the coaches are another reason why I'm a little bit more optimistic than some others. And that's just buying into Brian Dable being a play call or two, which he was not last season or in 2022. I think we could see a new refresh look at how Brian Dable can call the offense because this is his offense and you can entrust that and delegate that all you want to Mike Kafka. But now you're possibly getting the most out of your offense because you're the one who's actually doing the situational play call. Did you see him asked about that at the press or yesterday or the day before? I don't like to say annoyed. Yeah, who was it? It was a Ron on that. Ron on asked him and Dable, like he said, Ron on asked him, Dable did his thing where he beat around the bush and didn't say he was going to call the plays. And he like turned his head and looked at another reporter like this. And then like Ron was like, but you didn't confirm if you're going to call the plays. Look on Dable's faces. He's like, roll his eyes back to Ron on for a second. He's like, yeah, I'm doing it. He went quickly to the next reporter, it was just like, dude, like you are on my last nerve. It felt like that. He's like, I feel like Jordan. I feel like Jordan gets under his skin sometimes. He does a little. Jordan, I really like Jordan. I think he's a good reporter for the Giants. He's been there for so long. I just think I thought it was a funny interaction. Dable was just like so fed up with this guy right now in that moment. So I felt at least. All right. Anyway, thanks again for tuning in. Big loop banter. Big show come tomorrow. We're bringing on a guest that's been on the show before. Sean Syed, who is one of the best Xs and O's film evaluators in the game. He's broken down Viking State Press before he's going to break it down for us again. He had a great call two years ago in 2022 when the Giants played the Vikings about what the Vikings would do in the run game and how the Giants would be able to stop that. And they were able to stop that. He was right about that. Let's see what he has in store for us now to preview the Vikings. We're going to go deep. X is a nose. Nick and I will make our predictions for the first week of season as well. So all that is coming on tomorrow's show. Have a great rest. And I don't know when this is going to drop. So I probably shouldn't have said tomorrow, but we will find out Nick is the man there, but it's okay. Have a great rest of your night, day, whoever knows when you're going to watch morning. If you're listening to the morning or watching the morning, we'll talk to you soon. And we're excited about it. about it. [BLANK_AUDIO]
