(upbeat music) - Welcome to Dyson Mind, a podcast hosted by Brad Brown and Jason Kaufman to explore the intersection of life, games, science, music, philosophy, and creativity through interviews with leading creatives. All are welcome in this space. (upbeat music) - I know every time we talk or we do one in an episode where we say that, you know, this summer or this year, or, you know, it's really been like no other. That really is the case. Really no summer has been like no other, no year has been like no other. And that's really been the case since 2020 with COVID. But 2024 really has been quite a year and it's a year that's been very different in many ways, like no other. And for many reasons and in many ways, some will talk about today and some we won't. One of those is the weather. You know, here in Milwaukee, I have lived at our home. We've lived at our home here. It's going to be 20 years next March. And I can count, I think probably three times the number of times where I've had to go to the basement due to a tornado siren. And for those of you who are listening, who aren't in tornado alley or who don't live in an area where you have to worry about tornado sirens, you know, you're lucky. But for 19 years, we've been pretty lucky. This year, I can't, I had counted a couple weeks back. I can't remember the number or the amount, but the amount of them that have gone off this year are crazy. And the funny thing too is it's pretty much common knowledge in the Midwest, if there's a tornado siren, you pretty much go out and look for the tornado. And I'm, you know, against better judgment, I'm one of those people that does the same. The weather here has been on the more interesting side when it comes to storms and rain and weather. And along with that, kind of parallel to that, one of our, I want to say more famous, more requested, an episode, one of our episodes that always gets attention or people bring up is when we have our episode that we had with Katie Niccolo and our meteorologist from Michigan. So Katie has been on a roll. She has been on a con, you know, on, she's been traveling. And not only that, she's been storm chasing. And that's just, that's not including the work that she does as a meteorologist. And as a broadcast meteorologist, meaning that she is doing the science of meteorology and weather prediction and all that. And then as well, getting on television and doing weather forecasts, along with having to be ready to go on the air. And I'm not aware of the situation I can only tell you from, and those of you who are in the area know, being ready to go on the air when severe weather strikes. And that could be at any point, whether it's in the afternoon evenings or even the early mornings. So she is a very busy woman. And so for her to take the time and spend with us here at Dyson Mind again, very, very grateful for it, as you'll hear in the interview. She literally has spent the time talking to me, literally had no sleep. So she has, there was a lot going on, but she still took the time. This is also another unique situation where this will be the first time that we will have a Dyson Mind interview where it's just one of us. Jason won't be able to join more on that in another time. But it's just going to be Katie and I for this. And again, Katie, I thank you, because to be quite honest with you, I am not as good of an interviewer or a host if Jason is not around. And because Katie is a television broadcaster and knows how to vamp and knows how to be on television, I could not have asked for a better guest to be on. Because of that, the conversation just kept flowing anywhere where I may have choked because I didn't have Jason to jump in to ask a question if I felt like it, it just, it never happened. So Katie, thank you for that. I know we talked, we're going to have you back on again 'cause we have to talk about more adventures from your conventions and all that. And we have to talk about getting you into the Star Trek Adventures universe as well. So without further ado, let's give you our interview with Katie. (upbeat music) Katie, you are one of our favorite guests. You're kind of like unofficially are you are the Dyson Miami meteorologist. Oh, absolutely. So puts that badge on right here. Awesome. So thanks for joining us again. This will be, this will be unique. It's going to be you just you and I for this one, but we have so much to talk about. I figure, you know, I want to, I kind of want to talk about like kind of the weather in the area 'cause you have been storm chasing crazy this year, but I figured that's probably something I was going to do that first, but I keep going back to the fact that you have been, you have been on the road lately to, you've been in like convention mode and I think it would, I would be remiss if we didn't tackle that first. And you have pictures out there. You have been meeting people and you were even doing some forecasting. Oh yeah, it's crazy. So what have you been doing out on the road and convention wise and everything like that? I think you even, didn't you even, who is the one, I cannot remember, who is the one that sent you the replacement gifts when you got your car accident? Oh Dave Blass. Yes, I saw the picture of you and Dave too. Yes, it was so nice, but also so hectic because this is the year of Comic-Cons for me. Being where I am in Michigan, like in state, I have five cons a year. And then I'm also near Indianapolis and Columbus and Chicago has a couple. And then on top of you, you throw in San Diego and Star Trek Las Vegas. And I think by tally for the years, like 12 or 13 cons, it's kind of crazy. And the two of them just happened to be back to back with San Diego Comic-Con and then the next weekend with Star Trek Las Vegas. I honestly should have just stayed on the West Coast. I flew back for two days of work and then flew back. Wow. Wow, how did you, you know, I don't like asking this because it's hard 'cause it would be hard for me to do that, but what were some of the highlights for you? Yeah, oh, there's a con. Yeah. How long do you have? Yeah, we have all the time you want, but I hate asking 'cause you always, you're always afraid of like missing something or another 'cause there's so many pictures you've got pictures out on. You should check out Acts, too. You should check out your profile, too, 'cause you got a lot of stuff out there as well. Oh, yeah, I have a chronology going of everything practically. But yeah, it started out really just meeting up with my friend who runs a comic book store in Sioux City. He has a son my age and we just like really were great friends when I worked out there and hadn't seen him in a while. And he got tickets to San Diego, I got tickets. And so we just met up out there and I met up with other friends from the East Coast. It was just so cool to get to everyone into one room. It was awesome. But yeah, as far as like things that I did, I saw probably some of the coolest stuff was seeing Has been Hotel crew, which isn't even Star Trek Elite. I love Star Trek, but my latest hyper fixation has been Has been Hotel, which most people, if they are familiar with the show, are like, Katie likes Has been? Yes, I do, the music's killer. But I got to meet the creator of the show and she asked to take a picture of my cosplay, which was from her show, which was like just mind blowing. And then I got to meet the lead actress from the show and it was so stinking cool. But the big highlight for me was meeting Kate Mulgrew and the Hagamans because that wasn't supposed to happen. It just so happened that John Orkeola from Screen Rant was there and we've been friends. And he's like, "Hey, Katie, come up here to this room." And I was like, "Okay, cool." And I walked through the hallway and out come the Hagamans. And I think it was Dan saw me first and he just goes, "Oh, I'm gonna get a Katie." "Oh, I'm giving him a hug." And he's like, "You gave me this huge bear hug." Kevin says hi and then Kate walks out and they introduce Kate to me. And I'm just like, "Shouldn't it be the other way round?" And she was so stinking cool. And when she had questions about meteorology, she was asking about how have I noticed how our systems have been changing or intensifying? And then she asked the question that everyone's on Twitter, X, was about turbulence. And it was just so surreal because Janeway is the captain that I most associate with, mainly because my name's Catherine, her name's Catherine. It's pretty cool. But just to meet her in real life was awesome. And then Kevin and Dan recorded it all. And I just, "Oh, I have the biggest smile on my face right now. You guys can probably hear it through my voice." - They recorded it. - Awesome. - Yeah, well, we were originally taking you, I was just gonna take a picture. I remember it was Kevin or Dan. I was like, "Oh, Kate, we gotta get a picture with you and Katie." And I'm just like, "Oh, this is insane." And so I hand on my phone and we're about to take this picture. And Katie just, in my greatest Kate Mulgrew accent, is like, "Actually, I have another question for you." I'm like, "Oh, okay." And that's when she won't launch into the turbulence thing. So the Hageman's already had my phone. And you can see like this little Cheshire cat grin on their faces. They're like, "She's gonna want a recording of this, click. And I am forever in their debt for doing that." - And this is like, as the height of the Prodigy hype, season two is coming out too and everything. I mean, it was all Prodigy. - Well, they had a Prodigy panel, which was packed to the brim. Like, people were waiting there. There was one woman. I'm pretty sure she had been there since 4 a.m., waiting to get into the room. She was like, front of the line. We got there three hours ahead of time, I think it was. And it just, it felt so good to be in a room, build the people who love this show and love proving Paramount wrong for Gavely X. And hopefully showing them that we need another season. - Oh, absolutely. I need more Jane Way and Shikote in my life. - Yeah. And I mean, they opened it wide open. I mean, not to give everything. - Oh, they so did. - Spoilers ahead. We now have a scratch mirror. - We now have, we now have a ship called the Prodigy spoiler. You know, so, you know, it's just, they built, they built for it. But what I saw, when I saw that the, when I saw that you've got to meet Kate Mulgrew, I thought that was like one of the coolest, the coolest things. - Oh, it, it just made my heart so happy that she actually cared about the weather. Like it wasn't just that, oh, you're a meteorologist, how nice. It was like, I have questions for you. It was like, okay, please, yes. Weather Katie Mode activated so I don't melt into a puddle of goo, like, thank you. - You could put on the visor. I would have to think though, you know, I would hope that she knows that there are tons and tons of scientists out there, you know, of any and all identifiable, you know, genders that can attack, that can trace themselves back in some form or another to being, you know, to having some connection or just because of watching Voyager, you know? - Exactly, and that's why I really, I advocate to whoever will listen for the fans to go to Comic-Cons and for the actors to go to Comic-Cons. Because a lot of times actors, I don't think realize the impact they've had. You can have one interaction and it changes someone's world. The greatest example is Jimmy Duhan and the fan who wrote him a letter. And I probably pronounced his name wrong now that I think about it. I've been up for like almost 24 hours. But anyway, yeah. - Well, we're not going to keep you forever then, definitely. - No, no, you're good. But she wrote him a letter and I believe she was contemplating suicide and he told her not to. And like, it was so wholesome of an interaction and you get those, I just go into these cons. And Kate's been to enough that I'll bet she's heard every story in the book. And then you add more on top of it and it just never gets old. And some actors, they look at their roles and they're like, I just played this character. It's not me. It's like, but you brought that character to life. Your posture, your stance, your cadence, all of that was you. And that's what the people identify with. We aren't reading a book. We aren't just reading a script. You embodied it. And so people look to you as the person who brought that to life. And once that is conveyed as a message, I think it totally changes the relationship of fans and their favorite people. - Do people recognize you when you are going out like even to the regional ones? - It was not everyone noticed me, it was so crazy. - See, but see now the tables are, but see that's what you're just talking about is coming back around too, you know? - Yeah. Well, that's everything I've ever wanted. I always tell my parents, oh, you're famous, Katie. It's like, the only reason I want to be famous is so that I can make people so incredibly happy by either taking a picture with them or signing a piece of paper. Like, that is such an incredible power, just to walk into a room and make everyone happy in it. And I kind of felt a little like that, especially at Star Trek Las Vegas. I did have one man, first time I went to San Diego Comic-Con, he recognized me while I was wearing a mask because of my voice, and he was from Australia. And he knew me from social media. He was like, "Excuse me, are you about the Katie?" I'm like, "Holy cow, what?" And so this time at Star Trek Las Vegas, I was a little more prepared. I was like, okay, some of these people might know me from like Star Trek and Chill and like my fan of forecast and stuff, but I had so many people ask to take pictures with me. And it was so great. They were all like, can I take a picture with you? I'm like, yes, oh my gosh, yes, absolutely. And the greatest compliment I got was actually from an individual at the con. He came up to me at one point and he was like, you're so easy to talk to. You're the easiest celebrity to talk to here. And I just that, that made my brain all warm and fuzzy. I was like, I'm so happy that I could be someone who's easy to talk to. And that you consider me a celebrity, like that's... - See, see, I get a kick out of that because I'm just a wee bit older, but I have kids who are a wee bit younger. My youngest is starting college, but going into environmental science, which is kind of, and what I'm finding out now is- - Stippling science. - Yes, and I'm finding out now, 'cause I originally thought at one point about going into meteorology. We've talked about that already, but that I'm finding out is a somewhat adjacent program for people that may decide to then go and do, you know, dual majors, dual bachelors in meteorology, or go for masters in that, or something like that. It's interesting how people are, and they're seeing and they're finding all of this stuff out on social media. And so, by you being out there as a track fan, but also as a meteorologist, and they may not even necessarily even recognize the fact that you're an AMS certified meteorologist, but you're also on television in Michigan, they may not even make that connection, you know? - Oh yeah, and that's one of the biggest things that I want to convey is the Flauncher fandom mentality, because if you, even if you just sprinkle it into your profession, wearing a pin, or wearing a shirt, or wearing something of a fandom that you're in, you are no longer just one thing, that job. You are now that person who likes that show who works at that job. And the more shows that you have, and the more fandoms you're in, especially in my case, it lets you connect to people outside of your profession, and then bring everyone in and make you learn about weather. It's perfect, it's the perfect scheme. You're gonna learn eventually. - Well, I would think the weather, I mean, let's be honest, you know, the past, well, the past 20 years, especially, you know, going back to Katrina, Katrina really started to put the weather on people's radar. Every year, hurricanes do, now we have, you know, then we had Superstorm Sandy crawl up the coast, now we have floods, we have, you know, whatever the case is here in the Midwest, we have storms, you know, the weather is, you know, we have heat, I don't know what it's been like for you over on the other side of the pond for me, but it's been hot. - Oh, it's been nice and cool over here, you gotta come over, it's nice and the mitten. - Oh, I haven't been able to get out on the bike as much as I'd like to, 'cause it gets too warm, but maybe I'm just a little wimpy. But, you know, it's definitely been a lot warmer down south. You know, the weather has become a more important topic. I even hear, you know, I even see, you know, on TikTok, YouTube Shorts, Facebook Reels, whatever people are watching these days, there's more and more discussion about it. So I think it's important that people start to make those connections. Before we hit the weather though, I just was thinking of something. With you hitting all the cons and everything like that, have you, like, did you take time or have you had time to like delve in and watch any of the games or play any games or do anything like that? Or has the temptation been there? You know, time may not be there, but. - Yeah, exactly, that's the thing. It's like, I've been wanting to, I wanna try things, but also I need sleep, which I clearly am not getting slap happy Katie over here. (laughs) - You've been, so you've been doing some, so obviously in addition to that, the weather, you know, you obviously have a day job. - Yes. - I'm, you know, being a, you know, a meteorologist, a forecasting meteorologist. - Oh, yeah. - So you are actually, you know, working with your, with the team there. And we can catch you if there's, you know, I will be honest, I will follow based off of, you know, you know, if there are storms that occur over here and they flow over, I may end up catching the channels over in that area to see what happens over here. If it continues to flow over there, I, 'cause I'm a nerd that way, but how has, how has this year been from a severe weather perspective as it kept you all busy over there? - Yeah, it's been really busy, which we typically tend to see, at least in my time, and experience when we shift from an El Nino to a La Nina, which to most people, that means nothing. So I will break it down. - Please. - I enjoy talking about it. So we have these patterns El Nino and La Nina, and they're all based off of the water temperatures off of the west coast of South America, out in the Pacific. And when the water temperature is cool versus warm, you get differing differences in the jet stream. So for us right now, we have cooler temperatures and that's giving us a La Nina effect. So that leads to cooler air draping down from Canada following the jet stream over Michigan. And usually in the winter, that means a ton of snow. Last year, we had a horrible El Nino and I hated it so much. And it left us with like hardly any snow. So fingers crossed this year, La Nina will dominate because if it doesn't, I will have words to say. - You like heavy, you like heavy your snow winters. - I love snow. - No, let me ask that, is that from a forecasting perspective or just from a Michigan love the snow perspective or both or. - Mostly Michigan love the snow perspective because forecasting snow is a pain. - Yeah, I know. - Oh my gosh, you have different water content ratios and temperatures and math. People don't see the math that goes behind it, but. - I used to read and I won't bore the people here, but there used to be a professor here when I took Meteorology courses, a professor named Paul Rober, who did a, I think they, I don't know if they still use it here. They used that as a means of determining potentially, but what is the terminology? Like based off of the condensation that determined the ratios, the Rober condensation. - Oh yeah, you have the 10 to one ratio, you could cheer a method, all that. - Yeah, they use one of those here. And then for a number of years around the Midwest, there was a meteorologist that was big on this recurring cycle, the Lezak's recurring cycle, the LRC. - Yep. - That was a, I don't hear about that anymore, I haven't really followed it, but they tried to forecast winters that way. And there was a meteorologist that was here in the Midwest named Jeremy Nelson that was big into that, that was here in Milwaukee. He now is, I think down in Miami. - Got tired of the snow, eh? - Yeah, he was, he was, he might have been, but, or he just, you know, he just, that might have been it. Or even, he was, he used to travel down there and he was tiered during some of the rougher seasons we had in the tropics. And I think he might have just enjoyed following and forecasting that stuff. But I know that every year you get, you get the armchair weather folks get excited, you know, come November, come October saying, okay, are we gonna get, you're, are we gonna get 20 inches or are we gonna get 80 inches? And here in Milwaukee, it was probably very similar to what you all ended up over there. We just didn't get a lot. - Yeah. - You know, I don't think I had to fire my snow blower up once. We could shovel it out. But La Nina made sounds to me like, maybe it might just be a little bit different. I wouldn't mind you more snow. - He needs to kick it up. - I wouldn't mind more snow, but I have 100 foot driveway and it makes it a little bit tougher on me. - And you get a snowmobile, you're good. - Yeah, that's what, that's what everyone keeps saying. But from how, how has it been from a, like a storm chasing perspective with you? You have, you have a co-pilot with you. - I do, yes, my mom is my co-pilot. Occasionally dad's in the back seat, but lately he's taken on the role of making sure the cats are in the basement because all the storms even chasing have gone towards my house. It's one of those things that, yeah, you get a little nervous with Doppler and radar, apparently tornado magnets. So more recently this year, my mom's been driving. I've been passenger seat. We chased Michigan's first ever tornado emergency tornado. That went through the Leonidus and colon area, which for anyone who's not familiar with Michigan, take your right hand, hold it out flat, find where your wrist meets the bottom and then scoot a little bit to the left and up. It's in the bottom of the mitten. And yeah, we ended up just getting a bunch of Amish food, the storm went over the top of us. I said, that's our play and we chased it for hours. Like probably close to six to seven hours, we were chasing that day at four inch hail stone, which was, I think the largest one recorded with that entire system. Gosh, what else? I had hail that just came to my house, a huge, huge rotation area came over my house and then touched down about four or five miles away from me. So that was fun. My car looks like a golf ball. - Does it? - Oh yeah. Oh, my car's a wreck, like there's a dent in it where strangers in the grocery store, like when they're walking past, they're like, ooh, like walking out to their car. - Couldn't have been someone hit it 'cause it's on the top, right? So they can't think of someone, they can't think of someone like dented it in the parking lot, but they're wondering what happened, right? - Yeah, unless someone took a hammer to the car, I don't think anything else is comparable to the damage that that hail did. Have you, you know, but those are like rights of passage if you do start chasing, you know. Tornado emergency, 'cause I know what those are, that's like a newer term that I think came out of like, I think the Storm Prediction Center started utilizing that out of Norman, right? Is that something that-- - It started coming in, it started being more common, the better our radar technology had gotten because it really does help pick up on debris. And then you have like the tornado watch, tornadoes are possible, but not our formed tornado warning. There's a tornado either by radar indication or confirmation from spotters. And then you have the tornado emergency, which is there is a life threatening situation right now. It is confirmed, it is their get down. And that tends to have a bit stronger messaging for the people like us in the Midwest who like to go outside and maybe look a little bit. And they say, "No, it's a tornado warning." And that never hits us. And then all of a sudden, yeah, it's a tornado emergency. Look to your West, Bob's barbershop just kind of obliterated, like you get in your basement now. And yeah, that, she ends first ever tornado emergency, thankfully it mostly stuck to fields. I don't believe we had any fatalities with it, which is a miracle, especially with tornado emergencies, you get particularly violent storms. So we were about a mile away from it. - Well, if you were that close, if you were good grief. - No, well, it was funny, just an meteorologist sense because I kept pulling back. I'm like, okay, yeah, mom, you don't need to get inside of one again. And so we actually pulled off on the side of the road and there was this full range hail. And we hopped out and we was like Easter. We were just picking up these hailstones from cornfield like they were Easter eggs. And then this guy pulls up next to us. He's not from like, he's from Indiana. I could tell from the plates. And he's just like, you guys know there's a tornado right there, right? And we're like, oh yeah, we're chasing it. Have a nice day. - Yeah. - Yes, shit. (both laughing) So, so strange. - It's, it, but you know, it's, I remember when I'm, I'm old enough to remember I was like 20, one in 122 when Twister came out the first movie. - Aw, that came out the year I was born. - Oh God, so you know, that ages me. But, but that was, and there was this, there was a website that had come up called the Bear Cage. - Oh. - And, you know, that's an area, you know, that's, that was an area and you, you, I, I'm gonna maybe have the- - Would you like me to explain it? - Please, thank you. - Yeah, I got it. - Please, yes, yeah. - So the Bears Cage got its name because it's the most dangerous part of the storm. It's like stepping inside of a Bears Cage. - Yeah. - It's right typically to the north or northeast of where the tornado is. And, tornadoes move, north, northeast. And then it ends up, you're blinded by hail and the heaviest rain from the storm. And next thing you know, the tornado's on top of you. So if you're in a Bear Cage, get out. - Yes, and they created a website. And this is very rudimentary. This is 96, 97, where they had, you know, very pixelated pictures of radar saying, this is where you don't want to be, you know, and obviously no one was doing radar in a car unless you were National Weather Service and it was a van and- - Someone got a grant. - Yeah, you had, you were, you know, you had, you had Helen Hunt money. - Pretty much. - To do it. But now, you know, you can carry and you can run radar scope or some other app. There are some really nice apps out there. But you still have to be careful. Like you said, four inch hail. I mean, that could poke through, you could, you could take out a windshield. There's, but there are some crazy videos of people out there who aren't well-trained and don't understand what they're getting into. - Oh, it's so it's, you know. - Exactly. Oh, I see so many people chasing tornadoes at night 'cause they see someone online do it and it's like, no, even like professionals don't do that because you really run the risk of dying and also deer. Like tornadoes happen where there are deer. You don't wanna encounter both at the same time. - Yeah. - I remember vividly one tornado we were chasing and it was in Oklahoma and they have naturally occurring tarantulas. And there was a biblical flood of tarantulas running across the roads and oh my gosh, we probably killed half the population of Oklahoma's tarantulas 'cause we were going, it was terrifying. So yeah, don't drive at night. And don't drive if you aren't trained especially 'cause that was the thing with twisters. Everyone and their mom started wanting to storm chase. - That was, and that's what I remember is that everyone, that started the craze, but nobody was trained properly. And they thought it was all coming, driving through corn fields and coming out and all of a sudden, you know, look, it's gonna be very pretty and you're gonna be just fine. And it really wasn't. I don't remember hearing about tons of deaths or anything like that, but there were lots of near misses or people got bored because it never was like that. - Exactly. It doesn't match what they have on the screen because what they have on the screen is fake for anyone who didn't know, spoiler alert. But yeah, with twisters coming out this year, like meteorologists that we've been holding our breath for what next year's tornado season is gonna look like 'cause they did poke fun at it in the movie. Have you seen the movie? - I, yes, but I was not gonna say anything 'cause I didn't wanna spoil it. I didn't want it in case you hadn't, I didn't want it. - Oh yeah, no, no, you're good. It's not even really a spoiler. It's just there's a little line that's something along the lines of everyone with the $10 weather app is out today. And I saw the movie with a hundred of our local viewers and my meteorologists with our team at our station and all four of us meteorologists, we were tackling like the entire theater turned like what was so funny about that? It's like, it's because it's true. And like, we always need spotters and people to look at the storms and we always look for train spotters and professionals who are out storm chasing by all means, but we don't want people putting their lives at risk for the sake of trying to help other people. 'Cause like, it's so much more dangerous the more chasers you have on the roadways. Right now the storms are less, the tornadoes are less dangerous than the drivers. We've had chasers kill other chasers because of their driving. So that's yes. And as someone who was in a car crash, I don't feel like repeating it. So I typically chase the storms that a lot of other people don't bite on. Yeah, or you don't want anyone to experience what you went through. Oh gosh, no, yeah. Oh, let me tell you, not fun to be in drama one of UCLA medical. No, not at all. Do you have, so for those, there are programs. I know there is through, like for me here in Milwaukee, I have been in the past, I've gone through like weather spotter training and they have systems in place where you can submit official spotter reports. Yeah, oh, the SkyOne spotter network. Yeah, yeah, actually, that's exactly it. And so there are things that people can do to get legitimately trained if they are interested in doing this type of thing that keeps them safe. Yeah, and they can, and they can be helpful to you all who have to stay in the offices and be on the air and inform us. And we can be helpful to you all without actually being foolish. Totally, yeah. And it's very easy for anyone who's interested in it's SkyOne spotting training happens all across the nation and you get trained by the National Weather Service. Well, most spotters are meant to be stationary so that you don't have to worry about risking yourselves. It is nice to see, I know a couple of people who they have been shadowing meteorologists on their storm chases in order to learn from them how to move around a storm. And we have had, like in my opinion, one of the greatest storm chasers of all times, Tim Samaras, and he wasn't a meteorologist, but he got his probes into tornadoes and revolutionized a lot of what we understand about him. So it shows that if you know what you're doing and you learn it right and you emphasize safety, there's a very good use for storm chasers whether you have a degree or not. Mm-hmm, yeah. So well, hey, you have been, you have been on the road and on the go and we're up and we always appreciate having you on. And thank you for taking the time tonight to do this. Totally, pretty time. Yeah, we will have you back on once the summer and fall season's over and you've had your-- I don't even want to snows. Yeah, I was gonna say, I was gonna say after the initial, after the initial winter fun is over and we'll see how La Nina shakes out and hopefully for you, you'll be snowed in for a little while. I better be. No, unfortunately for me, maybe I'll be snowed in for a little while, but one where Jason's up in Minnesota, if we're-- Oh, he's definitely snowed in. He's definitely gonna be snowed in for a little while, but continue, thank you for everything you do for keeping Michigan safe and everything you do as a meteorologist and as a Trek fan and continue to stay safe and we will definitely have you back on soon. Aw, thank you. (upbeat music) Katie, thank you again. Again, I was very lucky because Jason wasn't able to join that I had someone who knows how to get up in front of people, is someone who is on television, knows how to interact, doesn't say I'm every 10 seconds like I do, such a gracious guest. Thank you for being on. I could have talked weather and probably bored everyone to death by just going into and made myself look foolish by using just enough terminology to make myself feel smart and to make her look at me and think boy, what a fool. But Katie, thank you again. Such a great guest. Your first visit with us continues to get high marks and I have no doubt it will continue to do the same. (upbeat music) Weird situation because I'm gonna head over by myself to Audubon Court, I never did go to Audubon Court on my own. Let me rephrase that. I did do it once after Jason had moved away right before closed just for nostalgia sake, if just for those that don't remember, we call it Audubon Court because it was a bookstore that he and I both frequented a great deal. At least once a week, if not more, where we would talk books amongst multitude of different topics, any topic you could possibly think of, we probably talked about it there. So much to talk about when it comes to what's coming up over and through the end of the year, Star Trek second edition coming out, we have an episode coming up where we're gonna talk about that in relation to literature and RPG as lit. We have other guests coming up some that we've got secured, some that we are securing and some topics that we haven't broached yet on the podcast that might stretch the, might stretch in terms of what we've traditionally covered in a podcast. And I don't think that would be anything that would be outside the scope or would be what I would say controversial. It'll just be something different. And I hope that folks would enjoy it. So I am thankful for all of you who stuck around with it just being me solo this week. I wish everyone well and we will see you next time. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (chimes) [BLANK_AUDIO]
