The Evil Never Dies Podcast

S4 Ep287: Psycho (1960) Review

This week we are reviewing Alfred Hitchcock's masterpiece Psycho from 1960! #psycho #alfredhitchcock #anthonyperkins #janetleigh #psyschologicalhorror #horrormoviereviews #horrormoviefans #horrormoviepodcast #stayevil Intro and outro music by: Omni Slim @omnislim5381 on YouTube
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Duration:: 59m
Broadcast on:: 09 Sep 2024
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This is the Evil Never Dies podcast with Bretton Carl. This podcast may contain adult themes, violence and strong language. Listener discretion is advised. [Music] Welcome back to the Evil Never Dies Podcast episode 287. Jesus Christ 287. We only got what? 13 more to 300 damn. 300 is gonna be the biggest episode we've ever done. Probably be right around Halloween I think. Well we may do it in a haunted house like we did. Remember that terrible episode when I was in the haunt? Yeah that was pretty bad. That was one of our worst modern episodes. You didn't have no signal you kept blocking up. Well I don't have any light either. We didn't put the lights up yet. That's right. That's funny. That was the worst the worst episode we ever did was that Dio episode. I actually went back and listened to some of that. Oh the first one? God we were awful man. I don't know how we survived and you know what's weird I didn't notice this that was like two or three weeks apart between part one and part two. Was it really? It was because you even said well we've been busy we've been able to get on here so yeah it took like several weeks in between episodes. That's fucked up. Oh well. Yeah well tonight we've got a special episode I would think we were gonna do blade but Brett said you'd ordered blade on DVD and Ed and come in yet or something like that. Yeah. So I've been in a movie to watch one of my probably one of the first horror movies I ever saw and it's psycho 1961. Okay. It's filmed in 1959. Okay so it was not the I had it right to begin with. Psycho is a guilty pleasure that I watch at least once or twice a year and I just was in the mood to watch it and I told Brett let's just do psycho. We'll we'll save blade for later. So I bought it. They had the Blu-ray on Amazon for ten bucks. So you know why that's on sale because it's now on 4k. I bought this about a year ago and it has the uncut version of psycho which I never knew existed. That's what's on my Blu-ray. Yeah I never knew that there was a cut version of psycho but apparently every version we saw up until this has been the cut version that was in the theaters. Yeah. Or not in the theaters. I don't know how that went. It was for like video release and like re-showings and stuff that they would have is they used a cut version. Yeah well the cut version was on all the video releases until this. So yeah. Apparently Universal decided to put this thing uncut. I don't know how I don't know the story behind that but I don't notice a lot of differences in the uncut version but I guess they're very sub kind of hidden I guess to be the word but they're there. Yeah but that's the version that was originally put out in the theater. In the theater yes. In 1960 that was what you would have seen in the theaters. Yep. And it's got all kinds of good commentary on it. It does. A lot of commentary. A lot of bonus features. I'm assuming the Blu-ray's got the same as the 4k. Yeah. It's got like a two-hour the making of psycho. Yep. I watched part of that today. I've watched that several times. After I was done puking. Yeah. Brett got sick and and I was on vacation this week but Lisa had been in the hospital for six days. So she's home now and she's feeling a little better. She actually did more today than she's done in a long time but it was really a pretty sucky vacation honestly but I wasn't at work. And it rained a few days. It rained a lot and I wasn't able to go in the hot so I felt like it was a wasted vacation but I wasn't at work but you know it's kind of stupid for me to say that because I could retire anytime I wanted if I really didn't want to be at work but I'm still there. It's hard for me to to condemn myself because I chose I choose to stay there by choice I'm not forced to be there. Yeah. But hey as long as the longer you stay the bigger that pension so exactly. So we just got to get a bill wayborne reelected. So we're going to start campaigning for the sheriff on the on the YouTube page. If you live in Terry County vote for bill wayborne. He's such a cool guy too man. Yes he's a good man. He likes me. Well that's good. It's good to have the sheriff like you. Well that's because I'm the the the go through between him and the courts so you know I guess it's they all have to like me or I'm not doing my job properly. I'm a what am I I'm like a moderator or a coordinator or something between the courts and and ever in the sheriff and everybody. All right. Let's get into psycho. All right complaining for the week. Okay we're done complaining and I'm not puking so we're good. Greg got sick last night and we're good to go. I went sell Beetlejuice Beetlejuice last night. Oh was general take a hot. I'm not talking about the movie at all because we may do an episode on that soon. I don't care if we talk about the movie. I just want to know if Jenna or Tegga looked high on a writer was hot. She's by age. Me and Ronald writer are like just two months apart. Oh she's. She was hot as hell in it. Anytime you got a hot 52 year old what you can't go wrong. Can't you can't. How about Jenny or Tegga. She's she's she's daughter age. So I can't be gawking at her I guess. I got to the gawk at the mama. All right. Psycho directed by Alfred Hitchcock. And guess what I forgot. I actually have my Alfred Hitchcock Funko pop. He didn't come in a box. Oh yeah. So he sits around a stock when I got ordered mine when I went to go order mine I don't I don't have him yet. So he's one of my that sits up on the podcast a little ledge every week because the likes of Alfred Hitchcock. All right. This was based on the novel Psycho by Robert Block which was based on Ed Gean right. I believe so yes. Ed Gean was a serial killer grave digger. Dead person. Dance with the dead. Who inspired psycho inspired Texas Chainsaw massacre and probably several serial killers in his day. The Slayer song dead skin mask. Dead skin mask was from Ed Gean. All right. Screenplay by Joseph Stefano. Good night. Your name. Actually that was my original last name was Stefano. It was changed. Your name get changed. I got to hear this story from a grandparent. My great grandfather changed it when he moved to America for some odd reason. That is odd because it sounds less American now than it did when it was Stefano. Yeah no shit. Produced by Alfred Hitchcock. He actually self produced self produced this movie self financed well we'll go into that just a bit before we go any further. So the story behind that was he had a had a contract with Paramount Pictures which they had just produced that North by Northwestern which was like the biggest budget of movie Hitchcock ever did. I had Carrie Grand in it who was like the biggest actor at the time. Well Paramount did not want to do a low budget horror movie. They said no. So Hitchcock paid for it itself and filmed it at Universal Studios. Well they thought that the book was too violent and too everything. So that's why they. A lot of um yeah a lot of um what would be the word just sexploitatious for back then and yeah a little bit yeah for sure. Yeah Paramount wanted nothing to do with this movie. So Hitchcock did it himself filmed it at Universal and it's now a universal film. It's no longer property of Paramount. Yeah they sold the rights to it. So boy did they ever fuck up. Yeah they did. All right cinematography by John L. Russell and probably some of the best cinematography in movie history. By far the best. I think it won an Academy Award for cinematography I think so yeah. Uh so many single shots so many just the way it was way it was filmed well and Hitchcock filmed it in black and white because in 1960 black and white movies were starting to kind of be gone because it was cheaper and I cannot imagine psycho being in color it would not have been as good. I'm surprised they haven't made a color I'd vert colorized version of it. Well that's because Ted Turner didn't get involved. He's the one that was colorizing everything back in the 80s. Yeah he was wasn't he. Well they made that remake version that was supposed to be shot for shot. Yeah oh nobody likes it. What's his name did a good job but uh you can't remake psycho huh no you can't remake psycho this is just an untouchable movie you can make sequels to it and you can make a prequel television show that was fucking awesome but you can't remake the original psycho that's just that's just sacrilegious. Yeah I've been rewatching the Bates Motel lately too here. Good show man. It is. All right back to the back to psycho edited by George Thomasini music by Bernard Herman. Oh my fucking god the best music ever and it's on apple music. Yeah I've got I've had that since CD actually it moved over to apple music from my CD collection when I was burning everything. You got the CD of the soundtrack of it. I do. I don't know where it is but I do got it. Yeah probably the best score ever. Maybe. Isn't Halloween would be one and two. Yeah. You can you can put either one of them at one or two. Exactly. The original Halloween. Yeah. It's just without the music Halloween and psycho just they're not the same movies. Well even Alfred Hitchcock said that the the score made 33% of the movie and it did. You know so. I'm not cutting no bones. I'm not gonna talk shit about psycho tonight so don't be don't be prepared for that. There's no way. There's nothing I can say bad about psycho so no full disclosure here. Exactly. Production company Shamley Productions which is Alfred Hitchcock's production company and he actually filmed this using his Alfred Hitchcock Presents crew. Yep. To save money because he was doing a TV show if you don't know at the time. Alfred Hitchcock presents. While the main time he was one of the top producers and directors in Hollywood and but he had his own production company and since Paramount didn't want to do this his own people filmed it. Yep. All right it was distributed by Paramount Pictures. Reluctantly. Release dates are June 16th 1960 is where it premiered in New York City and then they waited to release it a country wide on September 8th of 1960. I'll tell you what this is one of those time machine moments for me. If I could go back in time and see psycho in the theater for the first time I would do it in a heartbeat without any knowledge of it. I could only imagine seeing this movie in the theater at its premiere. Yep. Well they showed Sorter mind me when the extras just came out there with the long lines around the clock and all that so. Yeah. All right it has a running time of 109 minutes and they used up every minute of that. They did for you know a country as United States English language budget for this film was only a hundred eight hundred and seven thousand dollars. Not even a million dollars. And Hitchcock didn't even take his fees for it. He's like I'll just take the money and revenue and Paramount's like okay sure they didn't get to make any money. Yeah well they were fucking wrong because so far from box office and home media and all that it's made close to 60 million dollars. This was Alfred Hitchcock's most successful movie and he made big budget Hollywood movies that made lots of money but this was his biggest movie because he believed in this enough himself to do this it just it just shows what a genius he was. He had a lot of help though that Stefano guy was a big help to him in doing this. Yep. Your cousin I guess. He he like figured out how to do all the shots and all that and yeah we'll get into some more of that when we do the trivia too. Sounds good to me. All right let's go to the cast Carl or do you want to do the plot first? We're we're assuming everybody has seen psychos. If you haven't seen psycho then pause the move or pause the podcast and go watch it I guess because if you're watching this show and you haven't seen psycho I don't know what to tell you. You have been hiding in a fucking hole and I have no idea how you found this show because honestly without psycho this show would have never existed because the entire slasher genre would have never existed of movies. This was this was a genre creator of basically the entire essence of what horror movies become. So the plot Marion Crane is working in a bank. No it's a real it's a realtor is all realtor realtor. That's not a bank. Right. Should have been a bank as much money as they were doing and her boss in this rich cowboy guy comes through he's gonna buy his daughter a house I think it is. Yep for a wedding. For a wedding and they decide they're gonna leave the money there. Well let's go back to the beginning of it. We see Marion Crane in a hotel room with Sam Loomis. That's right Sam Loomis. Have you heard that name before? No where have I heard that? I don't know but um it's pretty obviously explicit that Sam Loomis and Marion Crane are not in the hotel to just say hi to each other. They're having an elusive affair while she's at lunch and it shows that her lunch is an eight and an eaten whatever the word is. So yeah he doesn't want to marry her but he wants to screw her says he has debts to his dad so he's not ready to get married yet so he comes down and they have their rendezvous's at lunch. So let's go back to her work. 40,000 or 30,000 dollars? 40,000. So the boss is like well um I don't want to leave this here so take it to the bank. You've worked for me for 10 years I trust you. What does she do? She decides she's leaving town with that 40,000 dollars and she thinks her and Sam Loomis might finally get married because he can pay off his debts and they can go off and be married. Well she ends up at the the fucking Bates Motel ran by the infamous Norman fucking Bates Norman fucking Bates who has got to be one of the best villains in the history of the horror genre ever. Anthony Perkins is yeah god bless. Do you want to go any further into it from there? Because we'd have to give away spoilers so well if you haven't seen this I don't know why you're watching the show but we won't spoil it but she ends up at the at the Bates Motel which is ran by um Norman Bates and his mother uh known as mother mother just mother or Norma. Well Norma we find out later yeah I don't think that's in the movie itself maybe it is in the movie yeah yeah at the very end but so we have Norma and Norman. Yeah you got to be some creepiness going on when you name your kid after yourself when you're a girl and it's a boy or is it or is he a boy all right let's go over the cast let's do it first off like Carl's already said we got Anthony Perkins is Norman Bates next we got the greatest roles ever in in film really next we got Vera Miles as Lila Crane John Gavin as Sam Loomis yes Sam Loomis keep hearing that name Martin Balsam as private investigator Milton Arbogast John McIntyre as deputy sheriff Al Chambers wait a minute is it this this is is it that Sam Loomis oh it is this Sam Loomis is in it no oh but he's named after him yeah John Carpenter that's a nod to Alfred Hitchcock and Psycho much deserved where am I at here Simon Oakland is Dr Richmond Frank Albertson as Tom Cassidy Pat Hitchcock is Caroline that is Alfred Hitchcock's one and only daughter Von Taylor as George Lowry Lorraine Tuttle as Mrs Chambers John Anders huh you're missing somebody keep going I'm keeping going I'm keeping going put don't put your panties in a wad there John Anderson as California Charlie the car salesman and Mort Mills as the highway patrol officer and he was fucking creepy as shit he was creepy just the shots they did to him staring in the car and shit it's like stalking almost almost yeah and finally last but not least we got Janet Lee as Marion Crane who was the star of the movie yep and she was one of the biggest actresses in Hollywood at the time and married to Tony Curtis yep I wonder where that connection comes through uh maybe their daughters uh Jamie Lee Curtis maybe maybe all right uh then we got some voice actors here we got Virginia Greg Paul Jasmine and Jeanette Nolan they must play mother uncredited voice of Norma mother Bates I forgot they give her way a name in this one I thought it wasn't until psycho 2 but you're right uh the three voices were used interchangeably except for the speech and the final scene which was which was performed entirely by Virginia Greg and that is the cast for psycho good cast everybody was good in their role yes it was although uh Hitchcock did not care for the guy who played um Sam Loomis he said he was just the throwaway role so I don't know what like anybody could have played it or anybody could have played it yeah okay he wasn't impressed with the guys acting let's see here I guess we can go straight into uh you got anything you want to add before we go into trivia I'll let you do trivia because I'm sure we're gonna have a lot of repetitive shit so yeah we'll let you start and I'll just jump in as I go Albert Hitchcock was so pleased with the score written by Bernard Herman that he doubled the composer's salary to thirty four thousand five hundred and one dollars he should have tripled it uh this is where he said thirty three percent of the effect a psycho was due to the music well I'm gonna cut in here now like I said I would they actually screen psycho without the score and it got absolutely trashed yeah people hated it prior to the score so that tells you how important the the music was to this movie yeah it was all string music hmm violins and stuff like that when the cast and crew began work on the first day they had to raise the right hand and swear to oath not to divulge one word of the story also withheld the ending part of the script from the cast until he needed to shoot it so well now the novel was out and they said Hitchcock bought up a bunch of the novels but I don't know how they would have kept it that secretive because of the novel well probably not a lot of people just went out and well they said Hitchcock bought up a lot of the novel once he got the rights to it tried to take it off the shelf basically and when he bought the rights um I guess the guy didn't um the arthur didn't get like enough didn't get nearly the money thought he was going to get for the movie rights to it yeah he only paid him nine thousand dollars yeah yep after seeing the movie's release Albert Hitchcock received an angry letter from the father of a girl who refused to have a bath after seeing Dibelique from 1955 my now we're now refused to shower after seeing this movie Hitchcock sent a note back saying saying uh center to the dry cleaners now we do have there's no way we cannot say this is a spoiler because everybody knows about the shower scene in psycho oh yeah if you don't then like I said you're you're in the wrong television podcast whatever we are here um there's an actual movie documentary just about the showers yeah and it's actually a really good documentary yeah I got that in here somewhere it's called uh 78 35 or something something like that yeah yeah yeah yeah there's 78 takes and 35 cuts that Albert Hitchcock made or something like that is an entire documentary on one scene of the movie and it's where it was needed the whole the whole scene is what three minutes along yeah Walt Disney refused to allow Alfred Hitchcock to film at Disneyland in the early 60s because uh Hitchcock had made that disgusting movie psycho well if it had been the Disney corporation now that put out Deadpool and and uh alien Romulus they would have loved have uh Hitchcock in 2024 exactly the different Disney corporation that it was under Walt you think Walt Disney's rolling in his grave god just that Deadpool movie had to make him roll uh when when Norman first realizes that there's been a murder he shouts mother oh god god blood blood uh and Albert Hitchcock removed the base frequencies from it so his voice made him sound like more like a frightened teenager well we did we will say before you get to the trivia of the blood they went through different types of fake blood and they end up using um uh sir yeah chocolate syrup since it was a black and white film they said it made it look more realistic than anything they could find at the time that's one advantage of being black and white versus color you know exactly is like I guess they tried the regular stage blood that you know back then it was thin shit so it didn't go down the drain good yep yep but the chocolate syrup did yep and they tried ketchup too and ketchup wouldn't work either I used to use ketchup for fake blood when I was a kid let's see here in the opening scene Marion Crane is wearing a white bra and slip before dressing into an all white outfit complete with a white handbag yeah that was that was his son Hitchcock made that wardrobe choice to establish Marion as being a good and pure after Marion has stolen the money from her boss the following scene shows her packing her belongings getting ready she's semi-dressed and in a black bra she dresses in a darker outfit as chains from a white handbag to a black handbag the chains are all the white wardrobe to black is to demonstrate that Marion is gone from angelic to evil I wouldn't say she's that angelic she's screwing Sam Loomis on her lunch break but then again neither one of them was married or nothing so I don't know well it was 1960 things were looked at differently but I would say the bra scene would be pretty racy for back then yeah it was because she's pretty uh show it all covered up with like something else you know yeah well I had here's some trivia you might have you may not this is the first time a toilet has ever flushed in a movie or seen for that matter yeah yeah not only seen but flushed that caused a lot of controversy you know what the first tv show where the toilet was flushed fine I love Lucy no all in the family wow Archie he'd always flush the toilet then come down the state you'd hear the toilet flush and then come down the stairs that's treated eat it all right Anthony Perkins and generally said that they did not mind being stereotyped forever because of their participation in this film they said in interviews that they would rather be stereotyped and be remembered forever in a classic movie than not be remembered at all and I think that is genius for them to say because so many people hate being stereotyped but again yeah you're remembered always for something exactly you know let him goes into some rock stars like Janie Lane used to complain about being the cherry pie guy well you know I'm sure somebody from the band uh let's think there's a band called Cold Sweat do you remember them oh no because they did not have the song cherry pie so I agree with that assessment and yeah uh Anthony Perkins yeah he he he he um he did well for himself I think yeah all right every theater that showed this movie had a cardboard cutout installed in the lobby of Alfred Hitchcock pointing to his wristwatch with a note saying the manager of this theater has been instructed at the risk of his life not to admit to the theater any persons after the picture starts any spurious attempts to enter by side doors fire escapes or ventilation shaft will be met by force the entire objective of this extraordinary policy of course is to help you enjoy psycho more Alfred Hitchcock well this actually was the beginning of actual of people going to theaters at certain times I guess before they just showed up whenever they wanted to you know like now I mean you know movies it's eight o'clock at night you're gonna sit through 20 minutes of trailers but you show up I guess back prior to psycho people just kind of came when they wanted to yeah and the psycho changed it was an industry changing um that whole Alfred hitch what you just said that changed the whole mute motion picture industry in theaters yeah but uh yeah all right let's see here the reason Alfred Hitchcock cameo so early in the movie was because he knew people would be looking out for him and he didn't want to divide divert their attention away from the plot do you know where he cameo'd at what of course right when they um get back to the realtor or bank I call it a bank but it's a realtor he's right out the front window when mary and crane shows up he seems standing there yep that's before he got huge yeah he got huge there towards the end all right uh we already talked about that oh another reason why he shot it in black and white because it would have been too gory in color for 1960 yeah probably because remember even the hammer Dracula that came out in '59 it wasn't very gory and that had that fake pink looking blood in it all right oh for a shot looking up into the water stream of the shower head uh Alfred Hitchcock had a six foot diameter shower head made yeah and blocked the central jets so that the water sprayed in a cone past the camera lens without any water spraying directly at it a six foot shower head that's pretty fucking big that's crazy oh he was gonna make her work contact lenses to make where she wouldn't blink her eyes but yeah I guess back in 1960 they really weren't very feasible to use very uncomfortable about her blinking yep and guess what she did blink well she didn't blink just her eye didn't close it was just her eye her eye moved well it moved that's what it was but it got past Hitchcock and all of his people and it was his wife that caught it yep so they had to go it's actually very noticeable yeah I wasn't even looking for it and I noticed it yeah his wife saw it he didn't even notice it till the wife said hey look at that shit that would be hard especially 78 takes come on having to lay in that position with your eyes open for 45 seconds without blinking come on yeah exactly to ensure the people were in the theaters at the start of the movie rather than walking in part way through the studio provided a record to play in the foyer of the theaters the album featured background music occasionally interrupted by a voice saying 10 minutes to cycle time five minutes to cycle time and so on well you know back in this day there was all these gimmicks for movies anyway yep exactly and he had a lot of them too for yeah oh let's see on set Hitchcock would always refer to Anthony Perkins as master baits master bait so that's funny as fuck Hitchcock did have the reputation for her often harassing male and female cast members like yeah especially female and I think he wouldn't have survived in the modern day with his harassment yeah oh let's see remember we covered the birds we talked about how are you right yeah with tippy the actress and that really bad yeah tippy headroom yes he would have been canceled cultured if it was if it was now and you know that stuff shouldn't go they shouldn't do that stuff so yeah it was a different time back then but i'm glad that people don't have to put up with that stuff now hmm generally receive threatening letters after this movie's release detailing that they would like to what they would like to do to Marion Crane one was so grotesque she passed it on to the FBI the culprits were discovered and the FBI said she would notify them again she should notify them again again if she ever received any more letters so there were even freaks back in 1960 that did that kind of shit again it Lee was a beautiful lady is all i can say yeah she really was she was beautiful when she got older oh yeah yeah she was in halloween's uh h20 but was she not yep she was and like in the fog she was actually pretty she was in the fog with Jamie yeah you're right forgot about that she and she was actually pretty young then i think she was in her 50s yeah 50s maybe she was well-aged for a well-aged female i guess you would say both Anthony and pretty when she got older yeah look what i got boom i got mine still over there laying with the with the blue rays and then he Perkins and Janet Lee were allowed to improvise the roles for example Norman's habit of munching on candy corn i thought that was a good fit for the movie yep they made him look creepy we already talked about the ed jane deal uh let's see here the amount of cash mary installed forty thousand dollars in 1960 would be the equivalent to approximately 352,000 in 2020 damn what was you know just to analyze that a minute what was she thinking that she really think she was going to get away with that i don't know maybe she thought that old guy just had money to throw around he just caught up another 40 grand i don't know i guess i just that was part of the movie that always is like why did she do that i mean i know it was the get with sam loomis but that she thinks she was going to get away with that i just always found that sort of a fascinating part of the movie the seven hundred dollar difference she paid when trading in her car and getting another one would be equivalent to about sixty one hundred dollars that's crazy dude yeah oh let's see here it's the highest grossing movie of hitchcock's career that's amazing too because he had a lot of hits a lot of big budget i mean he was a big budget movie director yep well that's why he didn't that's why he did this movie he wasn't known as a horror movie guy he was a um suspense suspense guy this was his first horror movie i think he ever made although birdie go you could kind of say might have been a little horror movie-ish little bit yeah yeah he wasn't a horror movie guy that this was this was genre changing for hitchcock and for hollywood the sound that the knife makes penetrating the flesh is actually the sound of a knife stabbing a cassava melon yep what the hell is a cassava melon don't know but i knew it was a melon i didn't know exactly what type of melon i guess they tried a bunch of different melons and then hitchcock said use the cassava use it because i can't do my hitchcock voice tonight now the free to call at the time of this film's production because of an fcc ruling any references to toilets could not be presented in both film and television oh no to add realism the story stefano uh was adamant about seeing a toilet on screen and he wanted to see it flush hitchcock told him that he had to make it so through his writing if he wanted to see it stefano wrote the scene in which marion adds up the money then flushes the paper that she wrote the mount on down the toilet and specifically so the flushing was integral to the scene therefore irremovable this is the first american and possibly first fictional movie that ever show a toilet flushing on screen very true very true so they about didn't what wouldn't be able to put it in there so well that sort of reminds me talking about stefano or stefano however you choose to pronounce it i guess the first draft of this movie that hitchcock um screenplay wrote was with somebody else and yeah he didn't like it he didn't like it so he hired this stefano guy to redo it and they became this first movie too yeah they became like kindred spirits him and him and hitchcock just like bonded and was like yeah we're gonna get this done and the marion crane character is only in two chapters of the novel and they made her the integral and how is the word i'm looking for integral integral i can't talk to that it's been a long fucking day integral part of the movie by you know she was in it for most the first half of the movie whereas the novel she was it now was that stefano and stefano and hitchcock together come up with that you know it was the throw people off if you got janet lee who's a big hollywood actress you know nobody would have thought that would her fate would have happened so you know it was it shocked everybody you know in 1992 this movie was selected for preservation by the library of congress at the national film registry for being culturally historical or aesthetically significant and it is i mean if you compare this to a heavy metal world this is the lead zeplin black Sabbath deep purple of the horror movies genre to me exactly it changed everything you know maybe um universal was was elvis and some of the other ones were the beetles but this was definitely the zeplin of of horror movies the movies lion a boy's best friend is his mother was voted the number 56 movie quote by the american film institute out of a hundred and you mentioned the baits motel series that shows that lying to be more true than we would ever have known yeah for sure for sure oh let's see here oh also hitchcock even had a canvas uh set chair with mrs baits written on the back prominently placed and displayed on the set throughout shooting this further added to the eddema uh surrounding who was the actors playing mrs baits who was playing mrs baits or not i guess i guess they uh he made a a casting call for a fake casting call for mrs baits that's too good never even never even saw anybody never saw any read for anything so yeah that's just too funny yeah they were very he was very secretive about this movie it's good i mean it was a good secret oh let's see here janet lee said that when uh alford hitchcock castor uh gave her the following charter i i hired you because you are an actress i will only direct if you are an actress you attempt to take more than your share of the pie you don't be you don't take enough or see if you are having trouble motivating the necessary time movement whatever that means what the fuck are you talking about i don't know that's when he was castor i guess oh that made no sense i don't know i'm just reading off the screen man gently invented a complete backstory for mary and crayne figuring out what she was like in high school her favorite colors etc etc and that's about all i got for trivia bunch of stuff we've already talked about yeah there's a lot that we probably already mentioned so what are your final thoughts you got anything else to add i think you covered it pretty well i could probably talk about this movie for three or four hours i'm not going to because that's not what we do on this show anymore maybe if we've been season one we would have made it a three-part episode but there's no need for that no need for it um like like we said if you ain't seen it then we don't know what rock you've been living under my mom was a big fan of psycho and she didn't even like horror movies oh yeah and um i don't know the first time i saw psycho but when i did it really really really like whoa i'd realize as a kid this was a genre changing movie and it is i mean was there this really invented the slasher genre of movies completely now a lot of people think this and um night of the walking dead which came i guess what about six years seven years later then you had chainsaw and then halloween were all kind of built up but it all started with psycho and yet to have uh afrid hitchcock who was such an iconic um director and producer doom of you like this was was certainly a um he rode the dice paramount totally was against it he proved them wrong universal you know stood by him and now this is owned by universal we didn't cover the blu ray or the 4k okay well i've got the 4k it's a steel book i think we mentioned it um this is really a very good steel book i'm very happy with it where it's got the blu ray it's the same thing this is just the 4k version um a snap star blu ray review and do you agree oh yeah yeah it's great um it's the uh special features alone is yeah worth the 10 bucks you know the soundtrack is beyond iconic it's it's it's genre-changing again um like i said this is one of the movies that if i could go back in time to see for the first time in the theater i would do so um you know i feel along with it too like when when this shower scene happened i was like what the crap is a kid i was totally just just shocked so you know i remember when psycho two came out i was i thought that was cool you know that they were continuing the story then we had psycho three and i think they made a couple others uh yeah they had a tv series they tried that didn't make it past the first uh episode but then the Bates Motel came a few years later that's really a well-done story as well had no even nothing bad with the name psycho ever come out it's all been pretty pro but there's nothing like this original movie i mean i can't compare psycho to anything because it it created an entire world of movies the soundtrack is iconic the movie is iconic the acting is great i've heard a lot of people critique the ending you know after they reveal what happened and they're explaining what Norman Bates was they thought that was unnecessary but um i think for 1960 it might have been necessary for the film audiences because they weren't as educated as we are today so i don't really have a problem with that ending that a lot of people do a lot of people give the ending sort of like well it kind of fucked the movie up i disagree same here i have nothing at all that i can say negative about psycho nothing do you i'll let you talk for a minute i'll let you go i can't even remember the first time i seen this or where i seen it it probably it would have to have been on i don't think i seen it in a theater ever uh no i don't know that it would have been released to the theater again back when we were kids but i do think i think in the 90s didn't they bring it back for like a reunion for probably yeah i'm probably in the theater like i think they did an extra system did that for the extra system yeah um and like you said this movie paved the way for so many other directors not just in the horror genre but other movie other other type movies too you know action movies yeah they um some directors and stuff of use the hitchcocky and way of doing things you know yeah definitely uh well hell even the walking dead is very hitchcocky and as far as you know characters that you think are the main characters getting killed off game of thrones same thing you know i don't know that anything ever did that until hitchcock did exactly and just the way the scenes were shot and stuff you know just perfect the cinematography like you said is great the there's nothing there's nothing bad about psycho because you got to figure them cameras back then they didn't have no autofocus oh hell no so they had to like when they were moving forward or back when they had to move that dial yes you know at the same time to get it just perfect you know and do remember this was a tv crew that filmed this yep exactly that's fucking paramount wouldn't didn't want to fund it he had to fund it with his so it's a television crew and then now there's another note that you didn't mention hitchcock at one point thought maybe this should only be released as an Alfred hitchcock presents like a two-part episode because of the fact he couldn't get hollywood upon board so this could have been that being just an episode of Alfred hitchcock presents if things hadn't went the right way i think universal stepping in is what made it go the right way and now think about this is an iconic universal film the set is on universal studios um the pictures think what is there their studio tour yep it's still there today still there even though this is a paramount picture it was universal is is forever known as being part of psycho yep yep all the time dot in california i never went to universal studios you believe that shit i don't believe that you should have i know should have i think we were talking last week about something it seems like universal even though they're owned by Comcast now it's still like the best picture company in hollywood as far as caring about their history and their their legacy and oh i still give them a lot of credit well what are you giving this i'm giving it a 10 out of five there's nothing you can give it but a but a it's a pure five for sure there's nothing about psycho it's a it's probably one of the most perfect horror movies ever created there's nothing i can critique about it except like i said the critics have talked about the ending being a little bit not needed but this is a perfect movie for not being the perfect movie it might be i mean you know i've had a little bit of um the exorcists don't feel the same anymore you know halloween still holds up really fucking well the original halloween but chainsaw you know it's a little eh psycho is perfect i would say this is probably the most perfect movie maybe in the history of movies ever made and i've heard people say that not just horror film uh film fans you know this and the hell i don't know um what was the the movie that Orson wells made that everybody thinks is the greatest movie ever oh uh rose bud uh what is it i can't even think about think of it right now but i know what you're talking about but anyway dude this might be the best movie ever created name something that's better it's a wonderful life that's a pretty fucking perfect movie too i'm talking this is beyond horror movies at this point uh but oh new wolf man coming out and see that yeah it looks dumb well blum house has there you go i'm surprised blum house i'm trying to make a psycho yet oh but i will say beyond this being perfect psycho 2 is a really good fucking movie psycho 3 is a good man Anthony Perkins is just such a good actor man uh he i don't think he's been in a bad movie yeah we may not cover psycho 2 but we should we should put that on the list because i think it was a great sequel to this movie all those years later but y'all do this movie's a five of five it's a ten of five there's nothing the only thing that's bad the one critique would be paramount fucking drop the ball with this whole thing and thank you universal pictures as you can see the logo there on the blu ray universal save the fucking day and hitchcock paramount fucked up well they fucked up a lot over the years all right well i guess that's all we've got for psycho five of five man thanks for watching and listening down tracks the five of five the blu ray at four k's of five of five i don't think we've ever both had an equal perfect movie this is probably the most perfect horror movie you could ever watch probably this is a first on the podcast folks and maybe a last unless we ever do Halloween i don't know if i give halloween a five of five we're doing it this year i don't think i could give it a five of five we're doing it this year for halloween we'll do it for episode 300 that's what i was thinking because we're named after it evil never dies all right for watching and socializing and check out the social media is uh oh yeah carls got one of the podcast shirts on a night i do i was at a party tonight and i went for sale to everybody yeah some of these youtube pages have their own merch for sale we need to figure out how to do that for sure yeah my shirt if you don't give people another reason not to fucking watch us right we did good um my great wine episode did good finally it's picked up nobody listened to your midweek because nobody's ever heard of that band including me they're good though they're good bands i did enjoy it it's not death metal though i don't know why they call that death metal it's not melodic death metal all right everybody stable stable here we have a quiet little motel when in fact it has now become known as the scene of the cry you have a vacancy oh we have 12 vacancies you know this is the first place it looks like it's hiding from the world i think that we're all in our private traps clamped in them and none of us can ever get out is anyone at home oh that that uh must be my mother is anything wrong and my acting is if there's something wrong she's not missing so much as she's run away put me down mother oh god mother what are you running away from she looked like a wrong one to you it's not as if she were uh a maniac she just goes a little mad sometimes like she wouldn't even have a fly so so (upbeat music) [BLANK_AUDIO]