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WWE Bash in Berlin | Fightful Predictions Show w/ Rob Wilkins & Andrew Baydala

Rob Wilkins steps in for Stephanie Chase as she is currently traveling. Andrew Baydala joins Rob to predict #WWEBashInBerlin

Watch the show on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6AfNH6Dsdc

Network: Peacock & WWE Network (Internationally)

Venue: Uber Arena

Location: Berlin, Germany

Event Date: August 31, 2024 1:00 PM EST

WWE World Heavyweight Championship

Gunther (c) vs. Randy Orton

Undisputed WWE Championship

Cody Rhodes (c) vs. Kevin Owens

Mixed Tag Team Match

Damian Priest & Rhea Ripley vs. Dominik Mysterio & Liv Morgan

Strap Match

CM Punk vs. Drew McIntyre

WWE Women's Tag Team Championship

Unholy Union (Alba Fyre & Isla Dawn) (c) vs. Bianca Belair & Jade Cargill

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Duration:
40m
Broadcast on:
29 Aug 2024
Audio Format:
mp3

Rob Wilkins steps in for Stephanie Chase as she is currently traveling. Andrew Baydala joins Rob to predict #WWEBashInBerlin


Watch the show on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6AfNH6Dsdc


Network: Peacock & WWE Network (Internationally)

Venue: Uber Arena

Location: Berlin, Germany

Event Date: August 31, 2024 1:00 PM EST


WWE World Heavyweight Championship

Gunther (c) vs. Randy Orton


Undisputed WWE Championship

Cody Rhodes (c) vs. Kevin Owens


Mixed Tag Team Match

Damian Priest & Rhea Ripley vs. Dominik Mysterio & Liv Morgan


Strap Match

CM Punk vs. Drew McIntyre


WWE Women's Tag Team Championship

Unholy Union (Alba Fyre & Isla Dawn) (c) vs. Bianca Belair & Jade Cargill



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We can't get WrestleMania, so we might as well just do this. >> We're never getting WrestleMania. >> Yeah, but on a one to ten, let's go one to five scale. What are you looking at, Bash in Berlin? What are you giving it right now for excitement level? >> I mean, WWE doesn't ever disappoint with PLEs. Their new formula is solid, but they get five to six matches kind of in and out. I would say I'm at like an eight or a nine. I just think there's a lot with Gunther and Orton when I didn't think there would be then. I'm interested in the Owens and Cody Rhodes match as well. And the Strat match, so. >> Yeah. The build up was kind of when it started, I was just like, okay, they're going with Randy Orton. At least they made it make sense. That was the one thing that I always wanted to do when it comes to title matches, make it make sense. They did that. The Randy, the Cody Rhodes, Kevin Owens. To an extent, I don't. I like how they did tie it in for Kevin Owens. Like you need, you want to have a title shot. I didn't like the fact that he didn't think he deserved one. I mean, the one thing is you always want to go after the title. Even if you lose, I get how his character is. And I think what they're doing. And this is just my guess. And I've seen this online. I think they're going to eventually get that prize fighter back. And that's what I'm wanting. Do you see that happening with this? >> Yeah, I would agree with you when I first saw the whole like, I don't deserve it. I was kind of like, wait a second. What? Like, why would you say that? But obviously weekly episodic television. So they build towards it. I think they've done a good job. They've hit all the notes they need to hit. And they've, you know, gone where they needed to go. So for me, yeah, I think that Kevin Owens probably turns at the end of this match. Whether it's the main event, I don't think it should be. But wherever it falls on the card, I could open. I could see Kevin 100% obviously losing this match and then snapping. You know, Cody going to raise his hand and, you know, saying, hey, man, you did a good job, typical baby face stuff. And Kevin then lays him out because realistically, Cody needs a few he could sink his teeth into. And I think him and Kevin can go all the way through November. >> So yes, I would agree with that 100%. So there was a few other matches. Obviously, WWE's been going this route with five matches on the card. I don't necessarily, I wish there was a little bit more, but you know what? They're at least giving them time to have matches. Sean asked if we're going to do any no mercy predictions. We weren't planning on it. >> My kid loves Joe Henry, so maybe. >> Yeah, I guess we can do the Joe Henry versus Ethan Page match. We'll just go ahead and do that one. Let's go ahead and just do that. Let's get that out of the way. You think Joe Henry wins? >> Yeah, I think it's smart marketability, the crossover stuff. I think Ethan Page came in with, you know, some momentum, took the title off trick. I can 100% see in Joe Henry win. He's pretty much been a focal point and almost a mainstay on NXT, whether it's concerts or tag matches or even appearances. So I think Joe Henry wins. Yeah. >> Yeah, that's going to be very interesting match because I would have never guessed. If you would have told me this a year ago that the TNA star would be going against an NXT star on a on a PLE. I would have said, yeah, okay, you're nuts, man, that's not going to happen. The fact that it is happening is just, it's crazy, but it's awesome too. So it's just one of those things. And I mean, that's the thing this weekend. Well, tomorrow night, you have TNA wrestling's emergence taking place. And I'm very curious to see what they do. I mean, they sold out. So congratulations to them on that. That's big, everyone complains about WWE doesn't, they're not giving anything to TNA and everything else. They're giving them exposure. >> And they're giving them stars too or bringing women and youth people. So I think it's going to get better for KNA, I really do. And I think we will eventually see a PLE with both companies. I think it's headed that way. I think it will take a little bit longer than we anticipate. And I would actually like to see a, if anything, I would actually like to see a War Games match or something to that effect, maybe a five on five match. Let's just get something out there. I think that would be great. >> Depends on if Triple H is a long gamer like the Wayne, right? So I mean, if Triple H wants to hold this off to WrestleMania and you have the, you know, Worlds collide, but I could see that Survivor Series, you know, the NXT PLE right before Survivor Series or after Survivor Series, I could dig that. >> Good call. >> Well, let's go ahead and go in. Let's go ahead and go into the matches for Bash and Berlin. If you have a question, guys, send in the Super Chat. It'll get your question or statement read on the air. And let's go ahead and get started with the Women's Tag Team Championship match. You have all the fire and eyelid on on Holy Union, taking on the tag team of Jade Cargill and Bianca Belair. Do we see Bianca and Jade getting their second reign as tag team champions? >> No, I'm going to go with no. I'm going to say that Jade and Bianca, this is starting to form the cracks in the foundation. I would say this match does that. I think Bianca is probably going to have a heel run. I think it's necessary at this point. Bianca is decorated and has done so much and she's a complete superstar, but I would love to see her go heel. And I don't think you do that with Jade right now. I think a singles program is in their future and I think the Women's Tag Team titles retain. >> You know, I thought this was headed that way like after SummerSlam. Now I'm kind of just wondering if this is just going to continue on. I think they are going to win the titles. I really do. I think they're going to get the titles back and I see this tag team going on a little bit longer. And I think what I think their feud will start around. I can see it starting around Royal Rumble, actually, like one of them tosses the other one over and that starts it. That way you can give them a match at WrestleMania against each other because I have a feeling that Tiffany Stratton is going to win one of the titles at Mania. I don't know necessarily if they want to have like two big main of the matches. Because I just don't see Bianca or Jade winning that title that quick or that soon. Bianchi could always put her in a title picture. Obviously she's that good. I just don't know. I mean, I'd be completely okay with it, but I just think the best case scenario is left in to have a singles match at WrestleMania. I think it will sell. Yeah. Like popularity goes. I agree with you. I would love to see Jade and Bianca at WrestleMania. I think it's a money match. I think they could absolutely do that. I don't think the turn happens necessarily here at Bash, but I could say that I think the cracks start. I like the Royal Rumble idea and I'm with you. I think Tiffany and Charlotte meet at WrestleMania in Vegas. I think Charlotte's probably on her way back. I know she's probably ready and she's the one that takes the championship off of Nia Jax whenever that happens. So I could absolutely see Bianca and Jade in a singles match at Mania. So I'm intrigued by this match. Unholy Union. They've been a great tag team. They still are a good tag team. So it'll be interesting to see if they can outlast Bianca and Jade Cargill. You know, so it's going to be a good one. Let's move on to our next match. It's a scrap match. These two have been technically feuding since the beginning of the year. And if you look at it since Drew McIntyre's been mad at them, then November. So, but see him punk versus Drew McIntyre in a scrap match. The friendship bracelet. Uh, extravagant as I like to call it. Now. I. Yeah. This is the first WWE one I can remember in quite a while. Um, I mean, they did one not. I would say what five or six years ago. Maybe not even that long ago and I can't even remember who was in it. But, uh, and maybe I'm missing like NXT. I can't recall, but I'm not really a big fan of the stipulation. Like now recent more recently in WWE style. Now. I just think it's kind of weird for them to have to. Touch the. Top or the turnbuckle. Yeah. It's the traditional way, Rob. I mean, I hear you with the red and green lights and stuff like that. The old hockey lights. It's a traditional way. You know, CM Punk's a traditionalist. So I see why they're doing this and I believe. Yeah, I did one I don't remember exactly when the traditional way. Um, I want to say it was like a couple of years ago, maybe four, five years ago. But, you know, if they just kind of did the strap match where they beat the holy hell out of each other with a strap attached to their wrist. Eh, CM Punk wants to do something different. I'm sure creative was fine with it. Obviously it's one of the matches made. I don't hate it. Yeah. And you want to know what? I'm glad that punk set on Raw that they're not feuding over a bracelet. Like I'm happy that he kind of clarified that because a lot of people online. Yeah, just dogging on it. But I'm, listen, punk and McIntyre. I'm here for this entire feud. Um, they've got a lot of heat with it. And I think this bleeds over into hell in a cell where they actually meet in a hell in a cell. Bad blood. So, you know, that's what I'm looking for. I think that would be the, I think I agree with you 100%. I think that's the end of it too for them. I think hell in a cell is like the final one, like for them to. That's the way I think they should go. We'll see if that's the case. Who do you got winning? Well, since they're going to have another match, I believe a bad blood in a hell in a cell that ends that feud. I'm happy Triple H is using hell in a cells. Now I believe that's what's going to happen at bad blood to, you know, kind of put close the book on feuds instead of just having a random match like we saw. Where's a gimmick pay per view and Vince just threw them, you know, this person and that person had a little bit of feud in a hell in a cell and they continued their story. This might be the closing chapter to that punk and McIntyre and other feuds. I'm going to go with Drew. And I think punk beats him in hell in a cell at bad blood. So I'll go with Drew at Bash and Berlin. Okay. I'm going to go with, I'm going to go with CM Punk. I think CM Punk gets the win. And I think Drew, I'm not saying he's going to go bronc and read on the bit, but I think he's going to lose his cool, like, some more. And, we'll have enough and say, look, hell in a cell, I will, I will fight you at hell in a cell and then that's it. They'll have a stipulation where. Kind of like the old Johnny Gargano, Kamasa Champa thing, where we won't. We have to avoid each other. So. I don't hate it. I think if, you know, if we're going to head to hell in a cell, I think punk needs to be the one to kind of, even though he asked for the strat match. I think if Drew wins, he could kind of be like, hey, I'm done with you here. Blah, blah, blah. I don't know how they're going to write it. But punk is like, you're not done with me. Like, you know, and there could be some outside interference. I don't know. Maybe that's the reason why they go to hell in a cell. We'll have to wait and see. I don't know what this, what this could be. But I will say that I do believe that CM Punk and Drew McIntyre aren't done with each other just yet. I think hell in the cells where they end it at bad blood. 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I am, we know we will likely see judgment day get involved. Like the other members of judgment day get involved and we know that's coming. But I still think Rhea and Damien will get it done. I really do. So I think they're going this route because. I think it's the right thing to do. They've been showing. Liv and Dom and judgment day getting away so much recently. Like getting getting the upper hand. I think it's time they let Damien and Rhea do it. Get the upper hand out of show, have them get the victory in front of the. Birdland crowd and. Then you can just kind of go back and forth and let them do their thing and. Because I think this feud. I think this feud is going to go on for quite a while. I really do. So it'll be very interesting to see, but I think. I think the way for them to go for now is let Damien and Rhea get the victory. And just cause more. Cause more headaches for them in the future because they'll get the win here. But I think down the road, they'll continue to get their bucks kicked on raw or wherever they end up. But I see a victory for them right now. Yeah, I'm going to go the opposite here. I'm going to go with Dom and Liv. I think again, this is another match that will bleed into bad blood and a hell in a cell. I think that Rhea and Liv fight for the women's world heavyweight championship in a hell in a cell at bad blood. I believe judgment day to your point gets involved here and they cost this match for. Priest and Rhea. And that's why I believe that we'll see the women's world heavyweight championship be defended in a hell in a cell where nobody can interfere between Liv and Rhea. This PLE has a lot to bleed into. No pun intended into bad blood. I really do believe that's that's the purpose of this pay-per-view minus the goon through and Randy stuff, which we'll get to. But this has been the most viewed, this has been the most talked about stuff all over social media and YouTube and every other algorithm out there and social media metric is the Liv and Dom and Rhea and Priest stuff. Judgment day stuff, the numbers are out of control. So they're going to keep this going. And if, you know, Priest and Rhea win this match, I mean, I don't know what Liv could do after that. So I'm going to go with Liv and Dom. And I think, again, hell in a cell bad blood. Oh, man. That's good stuff. It's, I do like your reasoning there. It does make sense. But I just, I'm just going that route because I think that's the way they can go. What are the odds? Do you know something that? What are the odds? Oh, the odds? Let's see here. Damien and Rhea are, they were 300 minus 300. Well, odd shift. But we're not telling you, don't listen to any of us on here, bet with who you think. But I'm just saying, I think for me, storyline wise, I want Rhea to continue to chase. She ends up winning at bad blood, but I think to prolong this feud and to get Rhea even more angrier at the whole situation. They got to take an L. So we'll see. Yeah, I get it. I do. And I still think there's a lot to the stuff that we've seen with Finn and Liv. I'm very interested in that. Yes. There's a lot to it. Do you think Priest and Finn go into a solo's program with each other? I hope so. Because they need to. I mean, I can see that too. Yeah, I can see that. Finn caused, Finn absolutely caused him that title. I think, I mean, we knew I have a feeling we don't have Gunther was going in winning that match, but we could sell it. Was the fact that Damien Priest got screwed over and they protected Damien Priest in that by that way. So I thought the, I thought the match at SummerSlam was really well done. That's a good point, Rob. The protection of Priest was 100% given and done at SummerSlam. And the other thing that a lot of people didn't take into the equation is that Gunther rolled into Brussels, Germany, and will roll into Berlin as the World Heavyweight Champion while they're doing a tour right now. So it's very, very important for that business model that WWE got the World Heavyweight Championship on Gunther as they tore those different countries. So I dug it. They did business right by both men there and they also did business right by themselves in WWE because Gunther rolling into, like I said, Germany and Brussels and everything else like that as your World Heavyweight Champion is smart business. Yeah, no, for sure. So two more matches to go here. You just brought them up. We've been talking about them. Let's just go ahead and do it. You have Gunther, Russ Randy Orton, for the World Heavyweight Championship. Gunther is a heavy favorite, minus 5,000. And I did double check that. Wow. That is correct. So, yeah, I don't see either, I mean, I'll go ahead and say it. I don't see either title changing place on this card. But I think this is going to be a pretty damn good match. I really do. I think Randy is going to get a couple of RKOs in and it won't matter because Gunther's just going to be Gunther. He's going to win. He's going to make himself look good. He's going to make one thing he always does is make his opponent look really good too. But Randy Orton doesn't need help looking good. We already know that, but this match is going to be good. I saw what they did in Saudi Arabia, King of the Ring. They had a great match there. I think this is going to be number 2 for him, obviously. This match is going to go, we just got to pray that it does not end up. The ending of it does not end up like the first match where a shoulder is up. I still cannot stand it, but it is what it is. And like I said, when we started this show, I'm glad they made it make sense, at least. So they did that. But yeah, Gunther wins. I mean, this one is a pretty easy one for me. What about you, Andrew? Yeah, I mean, minus 5,000 is pretty telling. I remember some odd shifting around when, you know, it was Taker and Lesnar at 32, but Taker was always a heavy favorite on those WrestleMania matches. So you never know. But I think this is almost a guarantee. Gunther's not losing in Germany. This should be the main event. I agree with you. When they first started this whole program, I was like, man, they're really going back to this King and Queen of the Ring thing. Like, where was Randy before this? But it did make sense. And now I'm invested, which is the magic of WWE and the magic of their storytelling and production. Randy's promo last week, or this past week on Monday night, Raw this past Monday, really sold the match, and it didn't need any more selling. But Randy basically saying that, you know, he was the first this, the last that, the youngest this, it puts a lot of doubt in the fans' minds. And that's what you need to do. Gunther's going to win this. I 100% agree with you. Randy's going to look good. I'm just interested because Randy always, I mean, Randy can work with a broomstick. I hate the expression, but he absolutely could. And the match would be good, just like Sean used to be able to. And not Sean Rossab, Sean Michaels. We saw what Sean Rossab did with Effie. Hey, listen, all credit where credit is due to Sean. Sean did a great job in the ring. And a lot of people don't step into the squared circle. So credit to Sean for that. But I will say this, I'm going to see what's next for Gunther. Because he won the World Heavyweight Championship. And I was like, Randy, okay, but this is a one month possible program. I think at max, right? What do they do here after this? This is what I'm intrigued with. And it's weekly episodic television that has PLEs. But man, where are we headed with Gunther after this? I think that's the big question because I don't see anybody right now lined up to challenge Gunther. They haven't built a story within a story. Could they go back to priest? Maybe. He's kind of lock stock and barrel right now with Finn. So who's Gunther's next challenger? That's what I'm interested in. Yeah, that's a good point. You know, somebody I think that would be a good call. And maybe this is a little inside baseball. There's been graphics shown like in advertisements of solo on raw, like raw graphics. I saw that enough for the Netflix stuff, though, right? Yeah, but I could see them going before that. I mean, I could definitely see that with with with SmackDown changing to USA pretty soon. And they can. I think we're going to see a lot people back and forth for a little while. I really think that they're going to be doing that pretty soon. I could totally see them going this route. I'm not saying they will because I still think solo. It doesn't make sense for solo to go into a main title picture with somebody else when he's got Roman, like right at his back. Again, I don't really like that idea. But could you make a good point? And I think I'm overlooking somebody here because I just. I mean, there's a lot. There's a lot of ways you could go. I think Roman and solo and that whole bloodline thing is going to be the focal point of SmackDown going all the way to Survivor Series and leading to a wargames match. I think Roman to your point could show up on raw to try and get Jay to head on back to the bloodline situation, the OTC bloodline or whatever they're going to call it with Roman to challenge his family. So I do think you could see Roman on some episodes of Raw as SmackDown heads over to USA as well. It'll be interesting. That's my thing. They crown Gunther. The chase is over now. And we saw the chase end with Cody as well at WrestleMania. Now it's your time to give him some opponents, him being Gunther, that are going to make him shine his champion. Randy is 1000% that guy. What's afterwards for Gunther? We'll have to wait and Sammy. I mean, he's nowhere near the World Championship right now. I don't know anybody else on Raw right now that could step up. Bronze your Intercontinental Champion. It seems like him and I think Jay are going to have a program. I don't know. It's really interesting. I don't know. Do you think Bronson Reed might be that guy? They're building Bronson. There's no doubt about that. You know, a big victory and a big moment and they continue to do that. I could have easily saw Seth, but with the injuries, maybe they're taking their time with Seth and rightfully so. I don't need Seth on my television screen until November. Let him get healed. Raw has plenty in my opinion. Raw has been the A show for content wise and storyline progression wise. For me, Raw has been far superior than Smackdown for the past, I don't know, 10 to 12 weeks. So for me, I like Bronson Reed. That's a match that can have Gunther shine at bad blood. And it's, you know, a guy who can absolutely wrestle and beat the Holy Hill out of you versus a behemoth. So I'm here for it. Yeah, I mean, I'm looking at it. I just, I don't know. And you make a good point. Like who can go after Gunther like right now? I mean, you could. I know they're wrestling on live events right now. Ilya Gragonoff. I mean, they've had classic matches. I just don't know. You could. If they would go that route yet. I think there's many people ahead in terms of like the line then Dragon off right now. I really like the Bronson Reed call. I think you, you know, might be able to play this back in a month from now and be like, hey, Rob called it. I like Reed. I think what they've done is built him to where he could easily be a viable threat to Gunther's world heavyweight championship brain. And then we get headed into survivor series and we'll see where that goes. But I like it because I have a funny feeling after this match. Randy's going to shake Gunther saying it almost like passed the torch a little bit towards Gunther because I think that's what this is. Gunther's a Triple H guy. Okay. And if you've seen anything the past couple of months and even a year, Triple H is taking care of the guys that were and girls that were mistreated a little bit since being called up from NXT. So I have a funny feeling Gunther's going to get a long reign and Randy giving him the old nod and the here you go kid. This is yours. I think it's what's going to happen. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a good call. Well, it's time for the main event. We have none other than Mr. Cody Rhodes taking on KO Kevin Owens for the WWE Undisputed Championship. I'm a KO guy. I love Kevin Owens. I don't like picking against him, but this just from a logical standpoint. It just doesn't make sense for him to win this title. I'd be as a fan of Kevin Owens. I'd be completely okay with it, but I do like Cody as well. So I just don't see them going this route. I think it'd be crazy to go that route. Unless somebody unless I'm missing something. I just do not see this happening whatsoever. I think this is safer than any other match on the card even Gunther and Randy. I think this one's safer in my opinion. I just do not see them going this route because I think what we said earlier, I think we're going back to the prize fighter here pretty soon. And it's just been a matter of time. You know, there's certain entertainers, pro wrestlers that once they become a face, it's just a matter of time till they're healed again. And Kevin Owens is that guy. I also look at the Miz like that. You know, like I'm just okay. I'm like, he's been a face for quite a while now at any time. And a couple of weeks ago, I thought we were getting that when he with him and our truth. I'm like, Oh, they're starting to show it, but still nothing. There's just certain wrestlers out there that you just cannot picture being healed. And or if they are, they're not going to do it for long and Kevin Owens is that guy. Like he's, he needs to go back to being healed. I love the guy, heal or face, whatever he is, I'm going to be a KO guy. But I don't see him getting this victory. I think, I think this is a good start though to bring back the prize fighter. And the other thing too, is I know some people are worried about not necessarily work. Well, some people are worried. I don't see KO leaving WWE his contracts up pretty soon. I don't see him leaving. I think he's pretty happy. Granted, when it comes to money, you don't know what people's motivations are. But I just don't see that. I know his son recently gets his oldest boy, his son has recently gotten the ring. I'm not saying it has to be a dominant Mysterio type situation, but it's a pretty good book. If you want to follow a step by step, if if his kids wants to be a pro wrestler, it's a good way to go. I'm in my opinion. I'm not granted. That's just from what I've seen. So I think your spot on with that, I mean, I think the Kevin Owens, if you want to talk about the contract situation, I don't think there's any way shape or form that Kevin Owens ends up anywhere else. And to your point, money talks and you know what else walks. But for me, KO, his kid is a factor and realistically like WWE's white hot and they love WWE loves the second, third, fourth generation superstars because they already have it ingrained in them. And it, you know, Randy, look at Dom. You don't think WWE's going to have their eye on Kevin Owens? Kid, if he wants to wrestle, look at Charlotte, look at Hook, you don't think WWE's going to look at Hook? I mean, we don't know Hook's status either, but WWE is 100% going to look at all of those second, third, fourth generation talents, the Anawahi family, I mean, all of them. They're obviously going to look at all that stuff because it's in their blood and it's a real simple thing to market and promote. And it's also a passion for them. It's something where they just were bouncing at a bar one day and they're like, hey, I want to be a wrestler because I can make money. There's people who do that. But yeah, Kevin Owens is staying with WWE, in my opinion. You know, that graphic, right? It had Cody, like, clinching that world or undisputed championship. And for me, Cody's not relinquishing that anytime soon. Cody's going to hold this all the way, in my opinion, to WrestleMania. I need Cody to get into a feud where he could sink his teeth into Kevin Owens as that guy. Kevin Owens can bounce between a heel and a face anytime he wants, in my opinion. He's best served as a guy who's kind of that tweener. You know, he's, he could do both. I love him as a heel. Don't get me wrong. But Cody needs something he could sink his teeth into into this world championship, undisputed championship reign because we haven't seen it. It's always been, well, I think I'm better than you. Let's have a match. Nope. Give me something with Cody that he could sink his teeth into. All right, man. Well, I, I agree with that. So going into bad blood, do you see? Well, two questions. It sounds like we, we agree that we're going to see Kayo versus Cody in a probably hell in a cell match. At bad blood. And do you think we see Roman Roman Reigns wrestling at bad blood? I could see Roman wrestling at bad blood. I think it's smart that WWE kept him off and the bloodline off of this PLE. Their PLEs have been five to six matches. I love the shortness of it. I don't need 10 matches in four hours. So I can absolutely see Roman on the bad blood PLE. Maybe, maybe against solo, maybe against Jacob Fatou. Maybe in a tag match, maybe in a six man tag. I have no idea, but I do believe Roman will be on that Atlanta Georgia card. And I do believe that that was the smart call to leave the bloodline off of this PLE. It's rushed. Roman has no backup yet. Don't need to hotshot it. Everyone's going to be there regardless. They gave, I mean, they have three main event matches. They really do technically four. So they did a good job with the matches on this card. So I would love to see Roman on the bad blood PLE and I think it's probable. Yeah. Boris, Boris says this KO stuff is Cody's idea, which is true, obviously. But I think it's going to come back and bite Cody in the, in the ass. Which makes that turn all the more, you know, monumental, in my opinion. Because Cody, I trusted you, man. I trusted you, you know. And you know, the one thing that I do like about KO going back to, if he, if he does, I mean, he hasn't yet. So we don't know for sure. If he does go back to being a Hill, I think when a John Cena's best feuds that he's had was with Kevin Owens. And I would love to see those two go out at one more time. I really would. Yeah. To have another feud. I think that would be really good in granted. I'm not saying that would be, we know John's coming back in December, January. I think that would be really good. If KO is still here, you know, that's the thing. His contracts up at the end of the year. I think he's staying. But again, and this is true, worst made another good point. SRS says he thinks AEW is going to offer KO a very big bag. I, I think that's completely going to happen. I think he's going to get offered. He's really good friends with the young bucks. Plus, I'm sure AEW gave Becky Lynch or Becky Quinn a very nice offer. It's all depending on what they want to do and how they want to spend their, their time right now. It's a little different landscape and obviously to, you know, that point, you know, money talks and BS walks, but it's a different landscape. WWE and AEW, in my opinion right now, are not even close. They're not even close in terms of product awareness. They're not even close in attendance. They're not even close in popularity right now. So it really depends on what these men and women want to do. Make money. It depends. Yeah, it comes down to motivation. I mean, that's, that's the thing with like what they want to do, what's best for, what's their best for them and what's best for their family. That's what's going to come down to Kevin Owens. And like I said, we, we talked about maybe that's what he wants to do. Like he wants to, maybe he and I said something about going the WWE route. He's all what rated with Dominic. That doesn't necessarily mean he's going to do that. That's just what I am thinking. I have no saying what it might be and I've always been this way when it comes to the pro wrestlers themselves. Whatever is, they think is best for them. I'm happy for him. Ricochet, he went to AEW. I'm happy for the guy. He's doing what's best for him. That's how I always look at it. I mean, there's good, there's going to be a lot of traction with KO headed to AEW friends. Whether he wants to work with them. He's made money. He's done everything he possibly could. And it really all depends on what Kevin's motivating factors are. You know, I think Kevin wants to continue to be on the most visible wrestling product he can be. And he's in a major program right now with Cody. So, I don't know. We'll see. Well, Andrew, I appreciate you joining me. Tell everybody where they can find it. That's right there at Andrew Badella. Make sure you guys catch me on X. Make sure you guys like, subscribe and follow to Fightful. Always enjoy their content. 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