I couldn't put breaths in my hair and do up my buttons or hold my husband's hand. I really couldn't do anything or go anywhere. If I ate bread or pasta or anything, I passed out. When I had cancer, part of the reason this cancer didn't grow so fast was because I wasn't eating any carbohydrates, so it didn't take over and ravage my body as fast as it might have. I thank God that I'm alive, absolutely, but I think that this diet helped it slow enough that when I did have surgery, it caught everything and found that the baby was happiest when she wasn't eating any vegetables. You contacted Michaela, I believe, and said, "No, you can just eat meat. That's okay. You can just eat meat." It's good. It's actually good to talk to you guys. It's like, "I'll be yours as well, I'll ask both of you, so." You are still? Are you still in Canada? Are you guys still in Canada? I don't want to talk to the time, but we're going to Arizona, we're going to go live very close to Michaela for the next seven or eight months. Oh, is she in Arizona? I thought she was in Arizona? I know. I know. I know. I'm keeping up with her. I know she was in Tennessee and maybe Florida. I can't remember what she's in Arizona. Oh, she moved because she realized that she was very sensitive to mold, and so she went to Arizona. It's very, very dry there. Yeah. You feel so much better there, yeah. Well, I'm glad to be here. People tell her, "Hi," for me, if it was much easier. Okay. Sure. Well, what's this? I guess these sorts of... So, a lot of people will know, I'm sure your husband's quite controversial, famous. I think when he's starting up things, you know, in Canada, the Canadian Psychiatry Board is unhappy with him and something like that. Did you hear about the outcome of the Supreme Court? They ruled against him. They ruled against your husband or against? Yes. He has to go to re-education camp, I understand. Yeah, yeah. That's fine. Yeah. Yeah. It's a very bizarre time. I didn't sound stupid anymore. I was in jail. I was in jail for making posts. I was in Facebook. Yes. Crazy. Yes. It's becoming really, gosh, interesting scary timing of it. Yeah. For those that are familiar with your story a little bit, I know you've been on a choreography style for a career you find as well. And then Michaela, I think, started as we've been doing, and it's impossible if you do. Is that something you still do or are you still practicing that or are you doing research? Yes. Well, Michaela contacted me probably maybe a month after she realized that it was starting to diminish her arthritic symptoms. And so I went on this diet January, 2018 and once she realized that her depression was also receding she and I both worked to get my husband on the diet. And so I've been on this diet for over seven years. Well, okay. Yes. The phone is on the phone. You should contain that. Yeah. I'm just almost my eight-year-old. I think you're in the virality of the eight-year-old myself. So still here. I've been dying to school. You were, I guess, the same. I'm going to first started doing it. I was going to do it in this movie. Of course, I had a path. I'm a sept. Well, the major reason you went on it was for, was it for depression or what was it? I tried this. I had my knees were so bad I couldn't walk up and down the stairs anymore and my metacarpal joint was so dysfunctional that I couldn't put breaths in my hair or do up my buttons or hold my husband's hand. I really couldn't do anything or go anywhere. It was getting quite severe. And so when she suggested and at that point, I was only really eating salad and meat. So I was really down to lettuce, cucumbers, and olives and aloe vera and olive oil. That was it. And that gave me some olive oil for you? No, honey. But my arthritis was still just as bad. Okay. So you got some relief, but the inference was to bully you. Yeah. It took me and it was my knees started to loosen. Wow. Anticipate. And when you, I mean, were you being treated by physicians for, you know, what, if you see them, see arthritis first, make up that this is a very common, you want them to see what much it means and then they won't take surgery, you knees or anything like that. They've got to read them. They verified that I had arthritis. Yes. Okay. They did it in the treatment. Offers were like, take some anti-pungplum medicines or we often get that. No. No. I didn't take any medicines anyway, but no, I had been offered anything. I had stopped doing massages. I was a massage therapist and I had to stop working. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Particularly I could see with the thumbs, you know, the thumbs and the old bones, which are always a few times I've had massages and you want to get in where the trouble is, you know? Yeah. Exactly. I know a lot of them say, well, you got a lot of mean on them inside to look at the drive with them. So you're on this diet, which is, well, if you will consider it, yes or yes, devoid of sugar and processed food and, you know, rain based foods, you just aren't mean and see a few vegetables and a few other small things and you can get relief and then when you switch to full, full meat based act, it's starting to feel better. How long did it take this team to get the most released? Yeah. And for this point, yeah, virtually pain free. I gave up grains 25 years ago and that was because if I ate bread or pasta or anything, I passed out. So once I realized that that's what the cause was, I cleaned everything out of my kitchen in the next day, I felt much more awake. So it was very debilitating to eat grains. So I gave them all that. So then I wasn't really eating much dairy products either because I had stomach aches when I had milkshakes or ice cream or milk fruit. And so I would just maybe have a little bit of cheese on, sometimes they put cheese on salads and things, you know, so I would still have cheese a little bit, but I was need any crackers, I wasn't even any bread. I didn't really have any reason to eat cheese anymore. And so it was just a tiny little bit of cheese. And then we did genetic testing and Michaela said I had celiac disease or at least I had celiac genes and I thought, yes, that's definitely my problem. And so she said, you know, mom, people with celiac can't eat dairy as well as gluten. And so I gave up this little bit of cheese and this was right around menopause and you know when women go through menopause, they get these little deposits of fat under their chins and on your triceps and around your middle and so it just a little bit, a little bit of fat deposits. Well, I gave up this tiny bit of cheese. A month later, I was at the gym in my shorts, my T-shirt and I walked out on the gym and I felt a little bit exposed because all of those fat deposits were gone. And that was just a little bit of cheese. That was the only thing I had changed. Yeah, very interesting. So you said like 25 years ago, you gave up the rain and all that type of stuff. And so when you had Kayla, because Kayla's not the cheese and she's 31, I believe. And she's 31 now. So she would have been a little kid back then. So we did that in fact because I think you have a son as well if I want to say it. Did your sort of dietary restrictions impact your kiddos or were they like with the moon and some of that from the family style is that just she's supposed to approach it. I would have liked to, but nobody was that interested. They were happy for me, but they didn't think that it applied to them. Okay. So they just stayed kind of the standard Canadian sort of diet and you didn't see the long day. And once when you eat what you eat, it wasn't you all probably a decade later and we kind of said, okay, wait a minute. Yeah. Well, I took Kayla the natural paths monthly, her whole life. She was how old when she was she was going, she was diagnosed with, I think, J.R. Agent, June, June, June. I was around Friday, I said, but what age was she? And she was 7 years old age. Okay. And you always kind of think of some people say, well, she hasn't really put quotes at Janine's either. She's had an equal placement, a hip replacement, or a vision equal was from the front. Yeah. And so that's not, that's not me. That's an actual I was listening to if your issue, she had more and of course. So how long did it take you to go from, you know, the sort of meat plus vegetables and still having arthritis to normal or killing great good man? Well, I don't know, you know, when I first was eating that, I would call it a ketogenic diet. We were still eating sweet potatoes. We were eating greens, collard greens. We were eating salad, lettuce, olives, apples, cucumbers. That was about it. You know, we had a, it was a pretty, there was a very small amount of vegetables. And we thought we were doing pretty well, but I still had arthritis, I came down with arthritis in my joints, and Michaela's arthritis, I don't think she thought it was going to go away. And I don't think she thought that the depression was going to go away, but, but we were doing what we could to try to manage symptoms, you know, and we, we thought we'd done pretty well at that point, but it turned out that my arthritis was bad enough that I had to stop working and Michaela got married and had a baby and found that the baby was happiest when she was needing any vegetables. And you contacted Michaela, I believe, and said, you know, you can only, you know, you can just eat meat. That's okay. You know, you can just eat meat. And she remembered that. She remembered that email. She didn't take action on it right away, but she did remember it. And so I think when she got more, she felt like there were no more options. She thought she would try it and she tried it and that's when she reached out to me and said, Mom, my arthritis, it was probably only two weeks of being on it. My arthritis is starting to, it's going, it's getting much better. And I thought, okay, well, then let's do it. So I did it right away, right away, I just stopped eating the rest of the, the plants and started eating meat and it was literally two weeks later that my knees started to loosen. It was probably two years before my knees were good because even that spring, so this was January in May, I went to Croatia on a walking tour with my sister. I asked her to organize a tour for 70 year olds because I had such trouble with my knees. But we still went down a mountain and the day we went down a mountain, it was very, very painful and that was a number of months after, but now, now it's been seven years and I can walk up and down, I can go anywhere, I can do anything. You know, when I first, another thing that happened, I had bicep tendonitis, for the time I was about 17 years old, I got hit in the head with a baseball and that compressed C, five and six and so I had nerve pain down my back and I ended up getting frozen shoulder. And after that, I wasn't really able to throw a baseball over hand or play tennis. And so I had to restrict my activities somewhat. I was a lifeguard and I could swim back crawl, but I couldn't swim front crawl. Well, by the time I was going on this meat diet, summer before I went on the meat diet, when I did back crawl, I could do back crawl and lift my arm with my right hand, but my left arm, I could only lift like to horizontal, horizontal, I couldn't go any higher than horizontal. And then that summer that I was on, I eat that I could do, I could do back crawl, I could do front crawl, I could do everything, my shoulder doesn't hurt at all, there's no no treble left in my shoulder. And that's nearly 50 years later. Yeah, because frozen shoulders or these caps of line is out to my back and some of the pittings. A lot of times we'll see this sort of when you do this period and there's no following out here. And it's like a year or two, a lot of time it resolves spontaneously, but 50 years later is obviously there hasn't been an invention so coldly a diet, having it been there for 50 years, and then that bill will tell you how to difference too. But one thing that was interesting to me, because I remember, you know, when your husband Jordan was mentioning that he was on the diet, he said, I want to talk about it, I don't really want to, I'm just, it's not something, but there was a period of time, I think about maybe a year ago, maybe it was two years ago, where he slowly started talking about it. I don't know what prompted that, because at one time it was like, hey, this is my worrying thing, but now he seems to be more interested in talking about, you know, do you know what this was at? What was he saying? What I'm saying was this incredible, just destruction of society, even chronic disease and what, you know, what, because you've been, I've been talking about from the game. I think you have as well, but he was kind of reluctant to him. You know what? Well, he drove him to sort of do that. I think that he felt that his professional association in psychology was most important and that he was not a medical doctor and that he was not a dietician and he didn't feel qualified to speak on behalf of what would be a good choice of diet for other people. And this diet was very hard on Jordan, he's, he's a very hospitable person. His mother is super hospitable and he learned that from her and so he all, when people come over, he always wants to offer a wide variety of foods and options. And so when it came down to being just meat, it was, it was a real test for him to be able to still invite people over. In fact, now even seven years later, if people come, he'll fill the fridge with vegetables just because they're coming. Even though they know we only eat meat, they often come thinking, okay, we're going to eat meat because that's what the Peterson's eat and they arrive thinking that they're going to eat meat and they're perfectly fine with that. But he fills the fridge because of his, so it was, it had something to do with hospitality and it had something to do with being qualified to speak on behalf of diet and he never felt qualified. Now what, what changed exactly, people used to ask him a lot. And he would always say, well, I'm not qualified to say. And also he's always kind of been skeptical about the changes that have happened in his life and whether it was, whether it was the diet or whether it was might be something else. So he, he didn't want to, without scientific proof, he didn't want to say that this is the cause of his recovery from depression, psoriasis, gum disease, all, you know, gastric reflux, all these things that he was suffering from. He was hesitant. And I would say he's still hesitant, but he has, he has talked about it more. And in fact, we were at a family gathering not too long ago and we were at a high school reunion that it was a 45th year of our high school reunion. And there's a woman there with MS and there's another woman there, you know, who's fine, she has quite a bit of arthritis through her body. And I was talking to them about this diet because I do. I talk about this diet quite, quite often if I, if I think it'll help someone, I, I bring it up and he brought it up and it's different for him. So he's come to terms with the fact I think that this diet has been, you know, I mean, it really did save my life, I think, and that might be part of it, you know, that might be part of it because in 2019, when I had cancer, part of the reason this cancer didn't grow so fast was because I wasn't eating any carbohydrates. So it didn't take over and ravage my body as fast as it might have. But has to have made a difference to him. And so it might have been since I was ill. Okay. And, well, I mean, like obviously this is sharing, you know, I must, if you don't read it, we do your best. I'm talking to you. You might see it. So he actually didn't work out for talking about it. Yes. And I mean, he's seen, obviously he seems to themselves and since he's white. And then, you know, as someone who I spent with me all day, I've seen got thousands upon thousands. I mean, I can't even count. I mean, people I've seen. And that's it. What do you think of that? I have to ask you, what do you think of that? Of which? And that's because of people and there's so much healthier this way. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, again, I get the need for where's the control trials, where's the large data and that needs to be done. And, in fact, we're in the process of trying to do some things and it's really hard to get this research done because it's hard to get paid for. And even the academic institutes don't want to do it because we're about to publish a study on, um, in front of the rebound, as you use columns, the bullshit clients, we've got clear remission, clear carnivore intervention. And it took a little really, we couldn't even get it through academic IRB, so this would not prove it. So we had to do a private IRB that published because there's such a inherent, um, I guess built-in bias of guests that they don't need more entertaining ideas could be an option for it. So we're starting with that, but we'll get it done. We're getting it. And, um, you know, you can't, you know, this is something we see, I know we're in a very intensely divisive time when it comes to politics and everything while some people are sort of gaslighting each other about this amount, but it's hard to really, when it comes to your own health, it's, it's hard to deny. And you, you know, when you have anything, you don't have need. That's not me. Well, it's this objectively verifiable to individuals and ones say, look, this is clearly looking. And I don't care what, maybe not in studies, and as, you know, I always, there's, there's people that will say, Hey, well, we don't know the long-term results of this. I said, it doesn't even matter that, okay, you don't really, you can't inclusive provide long-term results on any diet. And that's just the nature of nutrition and science. There's just no way into really high-level, high-quality diet, dietary and conventions. They tend to say this, they tend to walk, uh, but this do is not capacity, so I said, let's just keep people sick and suffer the pain or, um, fix that because, I mean, you know, I mean, but if, if the camera wouldn't have done that, you should still be probably depressed and still be probably, maybe even had more danger for us. And gosh, the life would be like, have a really different trajectory. All of you guys will. And, um, yeah, I think it's, first, I would be alive. I would definitely not be alive. What? I would definitely have. Absolutely not. No. Because I was, I was diagnosed with, um, a bleenie tumor and a bleenie tumor is so rare that they don't have any re the cancer. The oncologists don't have any studies that show how to treat it because it kills people too fast, so they've never really had the ability to do any studies because there's no participants because everybody dies so fast, they, they diagnosed this posthumously. And so when, and I went to, uh, I went to Houston and I went to San Francisco and I went to the Cancer Institute to MD Anderson in Houston that I went to, uh, San Francisco University Hospital and I talked to the oncologists there and they said, we don't have any treatment for you. You can do surgery. You can try surgery. You can try chemotherapy. You can, but we can't actually lead you to any treatment because we don't have any data. So they just wish me. How long ago was that diagnosis? Well I was diagnosed with renal cell carcinoma in, uh, in, uh, October 2018 and they told me, this is, they told me I didn't have to hurry. And so I didn't have surgery until March of 2019 and I had no symptoms. I had gone and been diagnosed because I had, uh, I had caught some sort of bacterial bug on an airplane coming back from Croatia in May that had never really resolved. And so I went, they checked me for parasites and things couldn't find it and they scanned me and they found a shadow on my kidney, but I had no symptoms except for intestinal upset. And so they took out a partial kidney in March of 2019 and I was recovering, but I started getting flank pain and flank pain is one, is one of the symptoms of this bulini tumor. So they looked at the biopsies and they said, actually we were wrong. I mean, when I went in for my post-op appointment with the surgeon, his hand was shaking as he handed me the papers asking me to come in again and have surgery again, because this prognosis he thought was fatal. So he was very- I was looking at the grade against, it's a two years revival range, 20% median survival range, seven concepts months, and if I was well exceeded both of those. Yeah, it's been five years now. Yeah. Well, it's a bit on you. That's awesome. I don't about the, I mean, it's very plausible that I have some infant on that. It's very, yeah, that's what I think. I think that I thank God that I'm alive, absolutely, but I think that this diet helped it slow enough that when I did have surgery, it caught everything because it was only, you know, it wasn't in my lymph when they took the partial out, but when they scanned me again, it was in my lymph and so they took the rest of my kidney and all the lymph on that side. And that seemed to do it. Well, because you've got a, you've had a, maybe you've got a full of refracting me on one side. Yeah. So you have one kidney, right? Yeah. And good question because probably that's how per higher protein, well, protein and mood is a lot, protein is going to ruin your kidneys. I know those actually got this, but I mean, do you have a, do you still, I mean, do you show them the care of the physician that has concerned about your kidney health or how is that okay? Well, for the first year after surgery, they told me I should only eat one pound of meat a day and I did, you know, that was during the lockdown. My husband was gone because he was very, very sick and no one was really speaking to one another face to face. So I was really on my own and I'm a really tough person, you know, and so I just ate one pound of meat a day for a year, but I created in myself a, something that if people are starved, a starvation, a starvation response. So there's a, there's something that can happen psychologically if you don't get enough food, right? So then you, then you hoard food and a lot of people who starve their whole life will, hoard food and I was, I didn't know, I thought I had some rage or something in me because I would feel if I was hungry and not certain of food, I would get this terrible, what seemed like anger, but it was actually fear. It was fear of starvation. And so my amygdala had responded to my starvation and told me to be very, very careful and to not starve. And so once I figured out that that was, that's what it was, I have recovered from that. I used to hide carnivore crisps in my suitcase because I was afraid of not getting fed. And it is a very funny thing to, you know, to have experienced. So that one year, I only ate a pound of meat. And then they tested my kidney again, you know, my creatinine was too high. And they were angry at me for eating so much meat because it was too high. And then they decided that that probably wasn't a very good test for me because I'm a carnivore and I'm sticking to it so they can't, they couldn't change my mind. And they decided that they should do different testing for my kidney. So they leave me alone now. Okay. Yeah. This is a problem and I guess I can use this option to talk about topics from years and when they use a standard creatinine based test, which it's normal for creatinine, don't know how it happens in my memory cases, it's normal. If you have a lot of buzz in it, it's normal if you work out a lot. That is not a good test for the session, give me a photo and give you a model test with it. So it's just call system and see, or you can just record notes. It was about estimate, even if I'm directly in my chair, when you do that, it uses shows the kidneys of five. And every time I've seen so, look, every single time we had a person be both test, it's shown. It's basically more on us than it's. We don't move their kidney. So interesting because was it a Canadian doctor that those you only eat one, one, one part of me today and what, I want to look to rationalize for that. Well, my creatinine was so, was so high, they didn't want me having too much protein. I said. So it was really one, one pound of protein a day, but I mean, I was only eating meat. So that was. So I ate once a day and not very much for a year. Okay. So they were worried about kidney issues. Do they try to, they, they try to talk you out of the night. So you should be the, the knees and stems and stuff with, I don't need to answer. No, they didn't bother me too much because they, they did. I just said that's all I eat and they, they, they didn't try to. Eventually. It told me I shouldn't be eating so much protein. Okay. And your kidney is the worst. Okay. I assume. Fine. Yeah. Yeah. And feeling good and the cancer's gone and, uh, um, it's good for you. So, um, obviously, I mean, I'm just wondering, you know, she, her husband's often speaking and, and doing podcasts and, you know, you know, using what not, and then, and kale has for, for pockets where she's good stuff. She, she, she, she had an order set. She had her second date, herself. Oh, I bet. She had a second baby. He's 10 months old. So those are, those are, those are first two grandchildren to give other things. Oh, I have had this. I have two other little guys. Oh, so. So you have four grandchildren kids. I do. And so. I love my kids. They're so wonderful. Yeah. I'll be, I think I'm going to bubble the middle afternoon. Okay. So my kids used to kids. Okay. I'm 60. So it's kind of like, um, yeah. Um, so, so what, how did you typically, you know, do you have a podcast as well from that mistake? Exactly. I love it. I love talking to people. I talked to, I have 20 podcasts in the can. I, I talked to so many people I have, I have backups. So what, and what is the sort of theme of what you talk about? Cause I don't, I mean, my intention to be Christian focused, uh, you had to talk about some moments from time to time, uh, obviously your husband, Fox, blog, ranges, sign all the shoes. I think we're killing this too in some ways, but do you have a, is yours more nutrition poker? What do you like to discuss? Well, it started out. I was praying the rosary. So it started out quite religious cause I was Catholic. Oh, yes. Are you guys Catholic? I'm Catholic. Um, I was raised Protestant, but when I was in the hospital, a friend brought a rosary and I prayed the rosary in the hospital. And I had, I had terrible complications because they took out all my lymph and they left a leak in the, in the, in my abdomen and they couldn't find a leak for months. And so I was just doing drainage to the other drainage. I have a drainage tube and, um, they just gave me a room in the hospital of my own with a nice view. And I thought this looks like trouble. And I just, they didn't know what to do with me. They didn't, they finally sent me to the States. They finally sent me to an interventional radiologist who they hoped could find the leak, but he couldn't find it either. Very strange. He couldn't find the leak either, but he had put so much poppy seed in my system, looking for it because they used poppy seed to carry the dye. Um, my, I spontaneously healed on my anniversary, which I had told Jordan months ago was going to happen. So it was a somewhat of a miracle that day. And I've been, I've been fine ever since. So yes, we talked about religion on my podcast because I don't seem to have any choice in the matter. That seems to be what's the way my life is going. And I've accepted that's, that's how it's going. And so I thought I better face it and learn as much as I could. So I, I do like to talk to people who have had religious experiences. I like that. I've been talking to people who are on the carnivore diet more recently. I've talked to feminists because I feel like I didn't do my due diligence in learning about feminism when I was younger. And I know that it's, uh, it's time to move on from feminism. So I thought I better become, uh, more well versed in the history of feminism. So feminism, uh, the Bible and nutrition, I would say would be my. Yeah, I, I, I don't, I'm not actually in, like, I come up playing myself again, expert in feminism. And I struggle to figure out why this is so much. It's kind of like all of us are going to do, you know, we're gonna get, we're gonna get too bad. But, um, so when you, it's time to move all of us in interesting perspective, you feel that like feminism has got all it needs to do and anything, you know, on that is becoming countable. I would say so. Yes. And I want you to back counter productive is a kind word is that that's a kind word to, to describe it. I think it's outright, uh, harmful, I think it's harmful. And I think that we could go back to something that we know is true, which is the women of the Bible. And so I'm going to discuss feminism versus the women of the Bible and see what we can keep from feminism, but admit that it was a failed experiment and move on from what we know is true, which, which is that the Bible move forward and make a better story, move forward with a better story. Um, I'm just you from, from the standpoint of this, I talk about in person all the times, you said, we want to talk us up a different first, but let's say it's, um, would you say, what would you say the things have been, been official in feminism, taken center? Well, you know, women can work, women can work, uh, they can do whatever they want in any field they want, uh, practically, you know, um, and that is a good education, I guess, being educated. You know, if you look in some countries, well, women are allowed to be educated and my lot of really, I mean, it still happens in some instances in the world, when you're like, okay, it's a little too old from Warren. And I think that seems problematic to me, you know, I mean, I guess they'd be said to say they have one of the easiest people to have, but, um, so there's been some, some net benefit that I would take for sure. Well, women, if, uh, if women are educated, their children do better. There's research that shows that and it, there is no, um, there's no effect if men are educated, there's no effect whether their children will succeed in, uh, in, in terms of their career, but if a woman is educated, it's more likely that their children will succeed. Succeed in, in, in my career, in the career, in the clinics and careers, and some people will find success in, if a, if a language, in fine, yeah, there's different ways, but in that way, in that way, educating women is a good idea and women are, you know, just as helpful as men are in many, many ways, but women have lost their, uh, function in the community and in the home. And part of that, I think is technology, you know, we, we now have every convenience that you need to make your work easy in the home. So women have more time. So it's no wonder that we left the home, but our children suffer if we're not there. And then there's this idea that career is more important than family and I totally disagree with that. I totally disagree. Yeah, I, I've seen like there's a, the, the kicker fool, guess he, chief, uh, Harrison Buckter, uh, he was, he made that statement, a lot of people are saying about the loans, a lot of people got sent some, you know, should not sort of, uh, I guess he was saying that a woman, a woman raising a woman having children and building a household is, is, is the name of the big tank. And that somehow loom skinned down is offensive to someone and because the woman they don't have kids or one and a half careers and I'm, I'm not sure that's what he's intentioning to us. But I knew it was taken that way. I mean, I saw, um, yeah, I mean, if we don't have moms, we don't have anybody, how would we hear? I didn't want to tell you that. I was like, I have a mom there, my fortunate, my mom is still, still around. She's 81. My dad and four, she passed her a computer as a pal tactic from today's bill. Well, it was way too bad to use it, but, um, so do you, let me ask you this, because do you, is it guilt by association in the sense that your husband gets paid a lot of he could directly display and do you get some of that is just, it's just it from, from just being associated with him or, are they, do you feel that is coming along? I mean, I'm, I'm sure I'm sure when he's attacked, you feel someone attacked as well because you know, in a way, still don't know him, but do you, do you get any of that collateral balance directed your way? Well, when he first made that first video about the law in Canada bill C 16, um, putting gender identity into law and, um, that, that, that was a little tense, you know, I thought maybe somebody was going to come and throw a rock in our window, you know, it definitely felt like something was going to happen. Nothing really happened. Somebody pushed over my garbage can one day. That was a, that was a, that's, that's as close as it came to my house. Now and then I'd have people that were sitting on my porch when I came out in the morning, but they were usually people looking for help more than anything else. And you know, I travel with Jordan all the time, pretty much all the time. So I've been there for all the people that stop him on the street and virtually a hundred percent of the time it's positive. It's positive. People come up to thank him and to tell him how their lives have become better because of what he has taught them. Any of the trouble that comes is on social media. It's all on social media. You know, I, I, I get, I don't really get any of that kid through, I'm right here. Yeah. I mean, I, I mean, the same thing with me. I, I, I get a lot. I've got, I've got my share of critics, uh, in criticizing me even as I'll come up this guy that you guys are on, it's been been a crucial long since you know, you got thousands of audience. I think he would get stupid and whatever, you know, a hundred people, but didn't realize that's never happened. I mean, and you know, maybe, maybe the fact that I'm, I'm kind of like, if they have to do, you want to, you know, see how I add or something, afraid I'm going to order more something like that. But I, I'm, I'm, I'm really, it's quite a nice guy, but, um, I've always had a positive experience. You know, I'm like, you're traveling in an urban or an infant series and you'll recognize me as well. Will be similarly. Hey, thank you. Let's go. But you know, you know, you know, you know, at least for some people, you're making a positive bit, which is more than a lot of people can say. And many people, and it's not here. We got started. I'm not going to get something. You know, I, with a step, like you mentioned a lot by the feedback that, um, so you know, it's what we're out of them, um, what, you know, is for as, you know, your, your thoughts on, I don't know, our nutrition, our healthcare system, I mean, you've been in, immersed in that, I mean, the husband, you have, you have, you've had your, your, your charities in there. The US system, Canadian system are somewhat different and they're much very similar related. Same, you know, at the lead side, they were all how you treat them, just how I'm finding and say this different, what are your thoughts, your habits? Well, first of all, I think if you're going to diagnose some, if someone comes to you with a complaint and it's something that's chronic, not an acute problem, not a broken leg. Uh, not a, I guess, you know, I saw a throat, I mean, something that has to be taken care of right away, doctors do a good job of those things. But chronic disease, chronic diseases, that's what I'm curious about. If somebody comes to nobody has been helping, they're on it, they're on a lot of medications now because they have many comorbidities, go on the carnivore diet, go on the carnivore diet and see what happens. And, and the another thing I tell people, because they'll say, oh, you know, I like vegetables or I like fruits or, you know, I don't like eating meat. I'm a vegetarian. I say, it's not about you. It's really not about you. It's about all those people that love you. You want to be the best you can be for them. And so the changes that you're going to make in your life are for those people and you're going to make, you're going to sacrifice, life is about sacrificed. So you're going to sacrifice all those goodies that you've been eating that you feel are a good idea, but you're unhealthy. So you're just going to give them up. Just going to give them up. You're going to eat meat and, you know, there's nothing better than a steak. So it's not, although it's a sacrifice of carbohydrates, when you get rid of those carbohydrates after about 30 days of not eating them, you don't even crave them anymore. So it's not as much trouble. It's that first month that you have to be tough and stick with it. That would save health care and a tremendous amount of money if they would put people on a carnivore diet and let all of their symptoms subside. And then after that, they can try other foods if they want. Then you only have one variable you have meat and you have water. And if you add dairy products, well, then you have one more and you can tell what the dairy products do, but we have such a varied diet now that you can't tell. I had such a terrible time trying to figure out what was wrong with Michaela. I knew it was food because her toes swelled if she ate oranges. So I knew it was food, but I didn't know it was all carbohydrates. That was impossible for me to figure out. And so it's no wonder people are confused. They have chronic diseases. They don't know what it's caused by. Maybe they can't sleep at night. Maybe they have chronic pain. Maybe they can't see, they can't hear, their senses are dull and they don't know why. They aren't as articulate as they might be and they don't know why. Well, there's too many variables. There's just too many variables. So simplify. Simplify. What do you simplify? Well, the only thing that you can only eat one of is meat. If you did this diet on anything else, then you would have vitamin deficiencies. But this way you have all the vitamins are taken care of. You can eat meat and you can see what happens to your symptoms. And if doctors were paying attention, then they may make this decision to offer a dietary change. Now, the problem with everybody eating meat, you think you go to a grocery store and you walk around the outside of the aisles and you see the meat and the dairy products. And I don't know what else because I don't go on grocery stores anymore. But if you go through the grocery store, all of those people that are selling all those products, that is our society. Those are the people who own all those businesses that sell different kinds of tapioca or whatever it is that they're selling. And if we had everybody eating meat, all those people would go out of business. That isn't something that people are going to be able to deal with. So they don't want that to happen. And the pharmaceutical company, you go to the drug store and all of the pharmaceuticals that they're selling and making lots of money. They're not going to make all that money on pharmaceuticals because I don't take any medication because I'm healthy. So what's that going to do to our economy? If everybody's going to eat meat, it'll have to be a different economy. And people, the thing is your brain will clear and you'll figure out what to do. And so it would be an adventure worth doing. That's what that is. I often wonder, I see what I was supposed to do in the emergency room. You'd see, actually my residency, you go to the office of 6 to 6 meters early, shift, and you'd see the same people would come back, they'd be like three, four, five days, once a week they'd be in there. And in the US, that person is costing millions of dollars a year in healthcare expenditures. And all they're doing is medicating them, you can deliver an anesthetic to their products, whatever, whatever reason. And then turning them back in the street, when they come back, yeah, they would get the cycle over and over. And I just wonder if you could say, "Hey, look, we're just going to take this guy with a feeling properly before a couple of weeks." That would be far cheaper in a way. And I don't disagree with that. Yeah, somebody comes out with a product and you say, "Why don't you see them on a diet?" I'm doing it for a month or two. Maybe 50% of people get bettering on a mission if it doesn't, but at least you would save a ton of money on that, if you were sent to do that. And so that's something that you think about how less expensive it would be to do it that way. And we don't want to put the resources in. And that's one of the frustrations I had as a physician, because what I discovered, the diet had a big impact on all of us, but when I first discovered the arthritis, we were responsible to be by it. I was like, "No, how moment am I?" We ended up just like back in 2014 or something like that, and then I said, "Oh, my gosh, what do we do for a month, Jesus?" And I had no support from the hospital. In fact, they discouraged me from doing that, and I was slowing down the business model because I was turning people over for surgery, and I was making people not need surgery anymore. And I didn't have any resources. I mean, all I really had was my nurse that would print out flyers a lot of people I'd type up, but they'd hand them and say, "Oh, watch this video, well, we just worked." And, you know, that's more near the level of support. You often need to get people to help them do a proprietary, an implant cell, an electric machine. Sometimes you need to explain things, teach them, educate them, meet with them, hold their hand, encourage them, motivate them, go right into the sense of community. And then you'll actually support what they're doing right now. So many people have thought I would bark to, "Hey, that has nothing to do with the problems. It's bad luck. It's genetics. We don't know. It's video. It's what the media pathic is. It's one of the things that you call for is use to be able to cause this. And so we have all that on, and that's one of the reasons we started our company with very honestly. In addition, some of the mistakes that literally are there to help people and be able to support team and own networking, education and technology-based things that people will take, measuring, how come and so on and so forth. So it's interesting. I just want to say that it's interesting to see where healthcare is going to be going in the next decade or so. I see it's going to be more and more to the AI-based computer, computer interface with you and tell you what disease they have and maybe the stick and finger will remote sensor. They'll tell you what one looks like and can immediately prescribe you if you're going to put an Amazon drone and deliver to you out the house all afternoon. And this is where I think some of the medicine is going and everyone just can communicate and we'll be better and then we'll be second to be somewhat managed or something and so on and so forth. What, you know, I guess from a sort of in sparse, inspirational stuff, what is inspiring you these days? Are you optimistic? Are you pessimistic? I mean, we see a lot of people in the world going on right now in many ways. I mean, what are your thoughts about when we're headed as a society, as a country, as countries? I mean, a lot of people don't like Canada right now. They don't like the leadership. It's been very authoritarian, very, very short, leaning towards women's communism in a way. And so, I don't know, what do you guys think? I mean, what's your personal belief about what things you want? I think there's a lot of healing that has to happen. There's been many mistakes made. We've gone down the wrong road in many respects. Our government in Canada, yes, is as close to communism as I want to get. That's for sure. I don't want to go any further down this road of socialism and groupthink. We need to really make changes at the local level. And the people who live in communities have to take responsibility. And the more responsibility that people take at the community level, the less responsibility you leave to the people at the top. And if you don't do your, if you don't have responsibility, if you are letting your responsibilities go, if you're not taking the next right step, whenever you see something that has to be done, then you're leaving that responsibility to someone who will take over for you. And that won't be in your best interest. Because the people who are taking over for other people, they like control. They like control and they like to dictate who you should be and who you shouldn't be and what you should, what you should do and what you shouldn't do. And if you leave that open, that's what's going to happen. And I think that is what we have done. I think that people have become complacent. We've never really had that much trouble in North America, political trouble. And you know, Jordan and I have been traveling all over the world and we go to Eastern Europe and the people in Romania say, "What are you crazy people playing with over there? Don't you know that we were under the thumb of communism until 1992?" And we finally, when we finally crawled out, we are so relieved to be scraping ourselves off the ground now and now you're making yourself, you're letting yourselves be open to these crazy ideas, these very, these ideas that will take away all your liberties, you know? What do they say? "Oh, we'll do these things for you." The more they do for you, the more they control they have, the more they take away. I mean, we've seen what's happened in China. They now have a social credit system, you know, and now people, if you don't have a high credit social credit system, maybe you can't get into your bank account or maybe you can't even get into your car because your social credit score is too low. Well, that's what happens when you leave the responsibility up to the leaders of the country. So we have to take responsibility. So we do a lot of talking, we talk to thousands of people about taking responsibility, about individual responsibility for yourself, for your family, and for your community. And if you have something left, then further and further. And that will turn things around. I'm sure it will turn things around. So it's up to everyone to wake up, but the problem is we're all eating all these crazy things. And I don't think people are healthy enough to think through this. So we have to help people realize that processed carbohydrates, we processed carbohydrates. We thought it was a great idea. Then they said they were going to process meat. We said, "Oh, well, that's a very bad idea." It was like, "Well, that's just the next step." We processed absolutely everything in the carbohydrate world. Now it's going to meet. Well, what did processing carbohydrates do? It created heart disease, dementia, cancer, like all the chronic diseases, because we started thinking that we'll take the easy way out and we'll just eat easy foods. And those easy foods are what is going to nourish our families. Like, no, no, it didn't work. Yeah, they got, I think we're killing ourselves with some unions and comfort in every many ways. And the next time we look at where it can be, we'll test it off in the eight streets. If you offer a course in it, let's say, I don't think it will raise into a big debate in that way. Yeah. You know, I guess with climate, because I think China, North Korea, Laos, Vietnam and Turkey, where they're only truly, I just think it comes into it now, when other countries are seeing anything on that direction, I'd say, "No, no, no, I'm not showing up in the smaller section, I can't see two employees, I don't have to stop it." So I think your point that, you know, taking more spots for local, but you've got to first start with yourself. You've got to first figure out how to take of yourself first. And I like the fact you said in health, it's not just about this, it's about this dependent one, and when children and spouses jerk. Well, people are closer around you and not that saying it's only about when, when, or mouth. My health impacts those members around as well, some kind of wanting to bring yourself to that. But it also, I think, too, and I see this all the time. People that when they improve their health, and they start eating more species appropriate diet, that went in more sewage, didn't bring the starch walking, they start thinking once, they start saying, "Wait a minute, it was stuff that I was going all over with, it's not, that's some of my best interest, and the best interest in that thing, so it's a good point." Yeah, I think if you're having trouble with your family, understanding what it is that everybody's doing, take everybody back to meet for a month and then talk. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I'm wondering, like I said, I just wonder if there's a lot of, particularly when we see it in kids, so many kids now have stuff on their health issues, whether it's depression, essential dysphoria, or anxiety, or sicidality, but for every day, I just wonder how much that would be mitigated by the female, the proper female, I just thought that you would need to take your place, you won't be able to get them back to. Well, that's a mother's job, isn't it? That's a mother's job to feed their children in a way that will benefit them the most, and I think with all of the confusion now, it would be better to simplify, and the only thing you can simplify back to is meat. So that, I think, is a place you could start, and it won't damage, it won't cause any harm, it won't cause any harm, and it'll help people to have a clearer idea of what's going on in the world, and what's going on in their lives, and then maybe they can be a little bit more self-reflective of how they have brought harm to themselves, and to the people around them, and how they might change for the better. Yes, reasonable advice, advice I gave while I came, of course, well, Tim, I don't want to hold you, Tim, that's why we usually keep this to an hour, and I mean, we just head a few times. Is there something you want to share, or is there a mechanism by which people, you've got it back to us, maybe you want to share how to find more information about what you share? You could just look up Tammy Peterson podcast on YouTube, or on X, there'll be shorts there, I have a good producer, and he makes good clips, so you can look at clips, and my podcasts are usually about 90 minutes, sometimes they're a little shorter, sometimes they're a little longer, I'm not as exact as you do an hour, but I really enjoy speaking, and I hope that the people that I talk to can bring some, just something to someone that's that they can say, aha, that's a good idea. Thank you. Thanks for being here, and say hi to your family for me, and I'm sure we'll talk, and hopefully we can post some old days, anyway, thanks so much for sharing, I hope so. Very nice to see you again.
