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Will Tyrese Maxey be a top-10 player in five years?

On the latest Sixers Talk podcast, Danny Pommells and Amy Fadool discuss the best addition to the Sixers' roster after Paul George and how good Tyrese Maxey will be in five years.

0:00 - Joel Embiid records the Phillies game on his phone.

8:30 - Most important Sixers free agent signing after Paul George.

20:15 - How good will Tyrese Maxey be in five years?

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Duration:
35m
Broadcast on:
28 Aug 2024
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mp3

On the latest Sixers Talk podcast, Danny Pommells and Amy Fadool discuss the best addition to the Sixers' roster after Paul George and how good Tyrese Maxey will be in five years.

0:00 - Joel Embiid records the Phillies game on his phone.

8:30 - Most important Sixers free agent signing after Paul George.

20:15 - How good will Tyrese Maxey be in five years?

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All right, everybody. It's Craig Melvin from the Today Show. It's back to everything season. And that means everything football today goes inside the NFL like nobody else with behind the scenes stories on off the field today is at the center of it all. And of course, every game needs a tailgate. So we're going to help you dominate yours with winning game day recipes from the best chefs. Be there all season long on today, every morning at 7 a.m., only on NBC. [MUSIC PLAYING] More moves in the U-Haul truck into the Sixers talk podcast, Danny Palmels, Amy Fadoule holding you down here. And Noah Levick on vacation enjoying himself some time away, well-deserved for that hardworking young man. We are brought to you by Wilmington University. Willmue works. Noah probably enjoying some US Open, as he's known to do. I don't know if his whole family goes out there, but I know he's-- Yeah, I feel like he's done that every year, certainly since I've known him, so I'm going on. It's impressive. He has a very interesting array of interests. Interesting array of interests. Cricket? There you go. Love's cricket. Got into cricket somewhat recently. And obviously, he was-- He likes Premier League soccer? Yes, but well, he does. His team is not-- and I will point out, again, his team is not in the prem. They are below. They're in the champions, so. Sorry, Noah. I love you. Hopefully, they'll reach the next level eventually. But Noah always blessing us with some knowledge. And Amy and I are here to hold you down and talk a little bit about how hot it is outside, because the walk from my car to the building did not feel like faux-fault. You people lied. The fall is not here early. Fall was here, and then second summer came in. I'll know how the seasons go. There's first fall, there's second summer. Then we'll have actual fall, which I think last two weeks. And then we'll have third summer. And then it'll be winter until May. That's how it works. It did feel like faux-fault a couple of days ago when Joellen B was at the Phillies game filming abnormally long at that camera up for a long time. But it's fun to see him out and mixing it up and just being present after getting that Olympic gold medal. So much love to Joellen B, his family, and whatever. However much storage he had on their phone. A lot of it was used up. Well, obviously, I watch the game. A lot of people out there. I feel like he recorded probably at least three innings of Phillies at bats. I think as soon as they tied it up, he started recording. So every time-- which he wanted to capture. But I heard-- and we'll have to ask him a media day, which is coming up on September 30th, if this is true. But I heard that he was sending it to his wife, Anna, so she could show their son, Arthur, what was going on. Of course, part of me is you couldn't just turn on the television and show me that. But it's cool to see how your dad is looking at it, how close-- we've all taken the pictures. Here's where our seats are. He just took it to the Joellen B level of here's where my seats are if you were sitting right next to me for this entire game. And I'm going to show you every hat that I can. This time also works. Yeah, you know, listen, I don't know how technology like Savvy Jojo is, but it's definitely going to be asked about that if he hasn't already. But it was great to see him having fun like that. I just like when he stood up, like the people behind him. It was like, luckily, the play had already happened. But there's no way the people behind him saw Kyle Swarber's slide, because we saw Kyle Swarber's slide in the video. And there's a 7-2 guide in front of you. And so you-- unless you were 7 rows up, you didn't see it. You decided to look on the Jumbo Tron. But the fact that he was so into it to me is it makes it like that much better. We have been around Joellen Bead for years now. Really crazy to think that I've been 10 years now, but Joellen's been around. And on-- Jared, I say that because we know him as a fun-loving, easy-going, down-to-earth guy. Jared McCain, it was on the Paul George podcast and saying he's a bit nervous about meeting Joellen B, because he's met Tyrese Maxie. They've hung out. They've played golf together. Tyrese turned down a TikTok appearance. But-- Wisely so. He said that he's a little nervous to meet Joellen. Paul George kind of rebuffed him a bit and said, no, I don't any worry about it, bro. He's easy-going like a big kid. Yadda yadda yadda, so-- Yeah, Paul George, obviously. He's talked about his kind of neat relationship with Joellen. They're both kind of quiet or type of guys, as far as kind of hanging back. And they've developed that relationship over the course of like the All-Star games. And to the point where Paul George said a couple of years ago, it became like the highlight of Paul's star weekend was seeing Joellen B because he didn't get to see him that much, obviously, being with the Clippers. And then Jo here with the Sixers. I was surprised that he hadn't-- he told Paul George that Jared McCain didn't. And then he had shared messages with them. I don't know if it's because they're-- obviously, Joel and B was in France. So he was not really sending a lot of messages. I think Tyreece, even when I saw him, it is golf outing a couple of weeks ago, which is where Jared McCain played golf with them. I don't know how much it was with him because Tyreece, I think, played. He said like five times in his entire life, and it showed. No offense to his golf swing. But I'm just assuming it was like when he got back, I'm sure the channels have started as far as like reaching out, like, hey, welcome to the team type of vibe, because he did have kind of an interesting summer, Joel and B. But yeah, that surprised me a little bit that he hadn't been in a message exchange at some point. I mean, regardless, we talked about it on the last podcast while you were on vacation. But everybody's going to the Bahamas. I'm sure it'll be plenty of time to get to know each other and feel good and connect. I'm not going-- if you-- I'm going, you're going. If you're going, I'm going. How about that? Well, I'm jumping in your carry-on. I tried, I emailed their bosses and said, hey, yeah, we will go to training camp this year. Sorry. Sorry if that's an inconvenience. Just put book us a flight now to Atlantis. Thanks so much. Phillies in London, Eagles in Brazil, Sixers in the Bahamas. Things have changed a little bit around. Livins-- Livins DC. Livins in Blackburn 4 He's, which is the Bahamas of New Jersey. That's what they said. Things have changed. If you want to go to Western Canada, I'm sure they can accommodate you there. So-- I know it's not the Flyers Talk podcast, but I would-- they start the season on quite the trip the Flyers do. I'm glad the Sixers start the season, which is nice, because now we could talk about the actual schedule a little bit, which took forever to come out. It did. Lo and I pinpointed our marquee games from the last podcast. Oh, I listened. Michaela, my better half. Obviously, some people may know she is a Boston Celtics fan, she's already in my ear about going to the Christmas day game. And I don't know how-- I've never done the-- we're wearing opposite jerseys in the same plate. I've never done that. You're going to. Right. I've got like multiple jerseys I will give you. Whatever jersey you need-- I have an Irving jersey. That's the only six with jersey I have. It's a Julius Irving, but-- Oh, well, that's always a classic. Yeah, definitely. But I'm going to be side by side with someone rooting for the other team. OK, we're a home. That's one thing. But in the arena, it feels a little bit weird, but-- You're doing a disservice to us, Daniel. If you do not go to that game, wearing your Julius Irving jersey. But I think the point of going to the game is the thing. What I wear is one thing, but actually attending the game with someone who's dipped in Celtics gear. So we're going to need you to do that. Or-- and you can take-- you can pull a Joel L&B and record that your entire reactions to it. And then that'll be our six-year-stock vlog. That's what we need. What if I accidentally-- What if I accidentally-- like, cheese fries on her. Like, ugh, like, shit. Oh, yes. Oh, sorry, Mikayla. You got red wine? Where did you even get red wine? I ruined your jersey. I'm sorry. So a lot of fun personalities. Of course, Jared McCain, Paul George, Joel L&B. No need to be nervous about meeting Joel L&B, Jared McCain, because he's so fun-loving and a really down-to-earth guy. And I think he's lost some of the trowel stuff, but still-- Think until you saw the end of the Olympics. Right. Go there for a little bit. I love that Anthony Edwards was just soaking that up, too. Like, he's just sitting there just enjoying every bit. They love that. It is funny that the Sixers team has kind of, you know, catapulted themselves front and center after still not making it past the second round of the playoffs. But they added a whole bunch of names. We were discussing topics for this podcast prior to getting started. Our producer Ben Berry thought that reflecting on who is the second best acquisition for this team. So outside of Paul George, which player that they picked up do you think moves the needle the most? I know who I have in mind after looking at the roster. I'm curious who you think, Amy, and what impact do you think they'll have? Does it have to be like a completely new person? That's our program. Because it's the person I had second or third, technically, on my list was not a new person. So-- Right. Because, I mean, let's face it, everybody not named Joel and B was signed this summer. There was no one on that roster except for Joel and B. It was-- that ended up itself. I remember I talked to Darryl Morrie. I think it was after the Paul George and Tyrese Maxie Day. And it was-- I said, have you ever been in anything like this? And he said, no. There was a couple times that you've been close to things where you have only two or three guys. But to have an entire roster that you have to make is pretty extreme. But looking at the roster, my first inclination is always going to go to whoever's backing up Joel and B because we know how it's been an issue, right? So it should be Andre Drummond. But then I'm really intrigued by the whole Caleb Martin acquisition. I'm really interested to see how they utilize him and what sets that he's running in and what positions he's going to play. He's such a versatile player. And I know we've talked about this as far as the starting five goes. Is he your starting four at the size that he is? It's so interesting to me, I feel like he's a player that's really come up and, obviously, a person under the scene for a guy that was not highly touted, not even coming out of high school, really. So I'm really interested to see what he's going to bring. I think for a guy like Nick Nurse, a coach like Nick Nurse, specifically, a player that is so malleable and that it's been an Eric Spolstra system, which is for a guy like the mad scientist like Nick Nurse, I think you want to get your hands in a guy that's been molded by a coach like Eric Spolstra. To me, the first blush, it's Andre Drummond because the back of Joel and B is always going to be the most important guy. But really, when I looked at it, the guy that I thought, wow, who am I most interested to see beyond Paul George and how they're going to fit into this starting five rotation? It's Caleb Martin, just because of how he has been shooting. In the last couple of years, how he's played, the style that he plays when he was down in Miami and then what he can bring. He has a certain toughness and tenacity that I think cannot be kind of illuminated on paper. So that's a guy that I'm definitely interested in. And I don't know that I would have said that even right when he was signed. It was kind of like, huh, all right. Caleb Martin, how's that going to work? And then I kind of moved on and looked at everybody else. But as far as a player that I'm looking at, like how they're going to fit into the rotation and what they're going to be able to do, I think that Caleb Martin would be that choice for me. - And the Sixers signed him into discount. So that's even more intriguing that the Sixers, I guess he kind of thought the market would be better for him, but it wasn't. But that reminds me though, something from the Paul George podcast with Jared McCain because Caleb Martin came from Miami, he said that, well, I don't know if it was, Paul George asked him a question or one of his co-hosts, but they just wanted to know who was this toughest workout? Like, what were some of the interesting things? He said the Sixers was as easy as 'cause the questions were really easy. But he said that they did the Miami heat workout and everyone, all the players that he worked on were all had to wear knee pads the whole time. Like they all had to wear knee pads. - I love practice with you. - He said one player, the knee pads were slipping down. They stopped the whole workout. And like, nah, bring your knee pads back up. Bring it like, what, like, what are they getting out of that? Obviously we know they do some things in unorthodox peculiar ways, but I thought that was a funny side note. Andre Drummond was the guy that came to mind for me first just because he has been the best backup that the Sixers have ever had behind Joellen B. And it was a shame that they weren't able to hang on to him and had to include him in that trade. But I really feel like he will make an impact behind Joellen B. in a way that also translates to sharing some of the low with Paul George and Tyrese Maxi because not only does Joellen not have to be as prolific offensively, he can just do his thing and concentrate on the defensive end. He doesn't have to play as many minutes. So also delivering him to the postseason with less wear and tear, a little bit healthier. Hopefully that translates into more success with the 76ers. Caleb Martin was the guy I was struggling with behind Andre Drummond along with Kelly Oubre because-- - Oubre. - It's the athleticism aim. You watch the Sixers teams for almost two decades now and to look at the athleticism and the versatility that he brings and maybe more athleticism versatility than he's shown on other teams. - Read. - He said he really likes playing here. He likes the feeling the crowd gives him and he fell back in love with basketball here. So maybe that has given him more oomph when he's out there on the court. But I just feel like he's such an intangible. We've seen him catch fire and start really hitting threes unexpectedly. We've seen him go above the rim and do things and his defense has really picked up. I just feel like he, especially not having to be in a starting role and you can just come into the game and just be a microwave type of player. But that was, they got him for a great deal. He's back in the fold. He's familiar with the area. Hopefully there's no car accidents or bicycle accidents in this future. - I hope not. - Okay. - All in all, definitely that forward position. I mean, Kelly Oubre. And I would imagine, I mean definitely those two will be playing more minutes than Andre Drummond even if Drummond is spelling Joelle B. And important times in providing some opportunities for that, I feel like those guys will have an impact next season that I think will be very tangible. - And you mentioned that you haven't seen an athletic wing like that. You're going to have to, you're gonna have to go back to like an Andre Iggadala. I mean, that's what it's been. - Wow. - Iggadala's defense is better than Oubre's. - That was a long time ago. - That microwave, energy, rangey guy. That's Andre, I cannot think of another wing that they've had in the last two decades. - Which is said, that's said, man. - Andre Drummondala was like so maligned here. There's one guy in 20 years and you can point to as an athletic wing. That's it. - That's it, man. - That's it, that's the state of the city. - Especially thinking about how the league is changed and how. - That you hit the nail on the head because now it's so much more and I know we've talked about it. Positionless type of basketball, which is important, but you still need athletic guys, rangey guys playing across the board. The wing position, especially now, the league has changed so much with the way everybody plays on the perimeter and having an athletic rangey wing that can get to and place the gritty like kind of style that like kill you, break plays is just, it's invaluable. You mentioned he has so many things that are never going to show up in the stat sheet, but as soon as he comes on the court, the energy changes, the vibe changes, the game tends to change. He just brings that swagger with him. And if you follow him on Instagram, you know that he's doing some R&D and some rap. It's amazing. Tsunami Poppy, we're here for it. Whatever you need to do, translate that into the Sixers energy because they haven't had that in a long time. They talk about having that dog mentality, whatever else. He brings a certain swagger that you just haven't seen in a while here. And that wing, the athletic wing is a really important piece and having a successful team. You look at the teams that have won the championship in the last couple of years. They all had a very athletic wing and that's what he can be for this team. - Right, and the Celtics have three of them if you count in reality. But all in all, I feel like the Sixers have the tools that they need to be in that conversation and be, we're just trying to get past the second round, folks. The bar isn't that high, okay? The bar is not that high. I keep trying to project toward the finals and the Eastern Conference Finals, but let's just reach. - Step one, get past the first round. Step two, second round. So I was on with Ty Johnson on filling in for Ricky the other day. And everybody's got to win these championships and who needs to win? I was like, "Stop, stop." Second round, we've taken our level down, okay? I get it's World Series or bus, it's Super Bowl, or NFC Championship, but that's, I got you. For the Sixers, it's the second round. It's been 20, what two years at this point? - Right. - Come on. - Yeah, and 23 years. - Yeah, 2001, so yeah, 23 years. And it's not like there haven't been some really jilted left at the altar moments with the Ben Simmons and the Hawks thing with, you know, having a chance to close out the Celtics here and then having them forcing the game seven and getting blown out at the Celtics arena, TD Garden, like just-- - Which will now be never forever known as Mikayla Palmel's Arena. - The, did we, we started the podcast over so many times because of technical issues. Did we talk about that on this version? Was that on this version? - Well, I don't know, but for anybody that missed it, it was earlier in our program, so we'll just recap it. Daniel is married to a lovely lady and she is wonderful and a wonderful woman, successful and smart and a great mother, but she is unfortunately a Celtics fan. - A big time self. - Let's take a big knock. - Yeah. - That was lovely. - And she wants to go to the Christmas day game together. And I'm like-- - So I petitioned and I will do whatever I can to get you to that year, as long as you wear your Dr. J. Jersey. And I don't care what Ben Berry says, you can absolutely wear your Dr. J. Jersey into the garden and just be-- - Oh, aren't they in South Philly this year? I think they were in South Philly. - No, no, no. - Christmas day isn't-- - No. - No? - No. - Oh. I thought it was, well, I guess I'm wrong, but oh yeah. In the garden, I feel good. I don't want to be the sixth year's fan with my significant other or friend or whoever I'm with at the game. - She's your lover. She'll be, she'll make sure that you're not hurt because you're with her. But, yes, I'll have to process it. There's some processing that needs to happen. - There you go, good word. - Amy, let's take some time out and preach some bills. This has been a little bit disjointed for us, but we are, of course, brought to you by Wilmington University. Find your higher education home at Wilmington University where your academic success is celebrated by caring community. Explore your opportunities at willmu.edu. There's more to imagine when you listen. Select your imagination soar with Audible. Audible has audio titles from every genre that will inspire you to imagine new worlds, possibilities, and ways of thinking. As an Audible member, you get to choose one title a month to keep from their entire catalog. 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No. - Yeah, probably not, right. - Yeah, Ben Berry wears like his, like, look at me. I lift a bunch of weights t-shirts all the time. - And he can't fit in the jersey. That's part of the problem. His muscles are too big. - Oh, look at me. - Or maybe his ego. - Probably both. - Let's talk a little bit more about this six-year squad. Do we want to touch on this straw man's pole? Apparently there's a straw pole just on Victor Wimbenyama and his excellence him being the best player in the six-years. - Absolutely named, by the way. - Say it again? - Straw man pole when you're talking about Victor Webb and Yanna, might be just like an ankle. - Right, scarecrow might as well say, but so he is projected to be the best player in the NBA in five years. Okay, arguable, but easy to see why they think that. Obviously LeBron, Steph, Ben Berry in the chat saying this is according to executives. Okay, that's fair. - Yeah, LeBron won't be there. - Right, and all these guys are phasing out. But where will Tyrese Maxi, what version of Tyrese Maxi will we see in five years? I feel like he really got snubbed on being invited to this Olympic roster tryouts and whatnot. But that's really interesting. I thought this was a good question. MVP candidate, top five, top 10, consistent all-star. And I think with the transition and then the flushing out of players and the turnover that's gonna happen, there won't be any more Damian Lillard's or Steph Curry's or Drew Holiday in five years won't be the same type of player. So I think there will be a lot of opportunity for Tyrese Maxi, but I am honestly, I'm comfortable with the version of Maxi we have now. I mean, I don't need him to be an MVP candidate. Will he be a top five NBA player, top 10? I don't know, I'm okay with him being a little underrated and us knowing that he's really great. I don't need the accolades or the adelation that comes with all the awards and the all NBA teams and things like that. But I do want him to get those things that he deserves and what he's worked hard for. I'm sure he wants those things for himself, but I see how his game has evolved and with the range that he's added and he was dunking in practice and players like, yo, you need to start dunking in the game and he just starts dunking in the game. And I want him to get the recognition he deserves, but I think his game is already right there. I mean, we saw what he did in that playoff series against the Knicks and in that pressure cooker moment and him screaming and yelling at the fans and hitting those two threes and the and one three and the buzzer beater. So if I had the project, I would definitely say top 10, I would definitely check the box of consistent all-star. But again, I don't need him to be those things necessarily. I just want him to continue to be what he already is. And I think all the accolades will come with that. - Yeah, it's interesting because your first blush is, oh my gosh, yeah, of course you want him to be an MVP candidate. And I think he has it in him to be at that level. And I look around the league and I think who else could be in that top five conversation in five years. I think Shay Gilgers Alexander is a guy that's gonna be in there consistently for the next five years. Jason Tatum, I mean, he's not going anywhere anytime soon. So Anthony Edwards, these are the nice, really young talented players. Those guys are gonna be in the MVP conversation that just goes without saying because of the way that they are on their own team. Tyrese Maxi, I mean, at that point, I think you're talking about almost like a post in B, certainly a post MVP caliber in B. So is he gonna step to the forefront to take that kind of mantle from Joelle in five years, projected five years down the road? - Who's to say, I don't think that that's his type of game. I think he fits in a certain system and thrives and flourishes almost like a Jalen Brunson who I think is an MVP level type of player. He thrives in a certain system. Things come easily for him in the way that they're playing up there in New York. He was a good player down in Dallas and you thought he could be a great player. He goes to New York and he becomes a great, you know, unbelievable player. He's another name that I couldn't believe wasn't accounted for. He was saying he at least was in the pool. Tyrese Maxi wasn't even in the pool. Guys like Duncan Robinson were in the pool and I thought, what is wrong with you guys? Watch basketball at all. But I think a top 10 player in the league is a huge achievement. I mean, you think about who's top 10 right now, these are some of the greatest players of all time. We're in an unbelievable era and I know Anthony ever had the thing about like, oh, you know, Jordan wasn't that, whatever. I think this is one of the best eras of basketball. It's not the toughest, but it is the most finesse and it is the most skilled. There are guys out here that everybody can shoot. Everybody can rain down threes. And if you're in the top 10 of this league right now, you're one of the best players to ever play basketball. There is no doubt in my mind. So if that's where his game is going, that's great. That's all I need. That almost makes him de facto an MVP type of candidate. If you're in the top 10 of where this league is going. Guys are scoring on average 25 and 30 points without even blinking an eye. 20 years ago, that was like, oh, look at him. He scored, it's nothing for guys to average. Joel B was averaging 35 points when he went out and then he came back and averaged 35 points. Like, what are we doing in his bananas? And I think that the game has changed in the fact that it is much more skilled as people have to be shooters. Obviously, defense still plays a role in the postseason, not as much obviously in the regular season. Passing is still in key, but it's just, you have to finesse more. It's just a different game. So I think that could lend itself to Maxie doing quite well. Top 10 in this league in the next five years is going to be quite the achievement. There are some incredible basketball players that we've gotten to see play on the highest levels. Devin Booker really had a great Olympics. We know he's a great player, but I thought he really thrived in a way that you had not seen him do consistently out there in Phoenix. Anthony Edwards, we talked about Shea Gilger, Sally Alexander, obviously for Team Canada. There's some Peloban Carroll down there and what I'm talking about him. Here's a fantastic young player. He'll be on Team USA coming up in a couple of years. So I'd just be like a top 10 thing, automatically makes him in those type of conversations, absolutely a perennial all-star, but he would be the MVP of the Sixers because you're looking at in five years transitioning away from Joel Levine. And moving to a Tyrese Maxi led team 'cause that's what his contract is saying. That's what he signed and that's their commitment to him. So it's an interesting thing. I think that Victor Webb and Yama, he has everything you thought he was gonna be and more. He's a tremendous basketball player. And I think we've talked about it before on here when the Spurs came to town, which is when Joel beat job 70, we all went out. We all went out for warmups, which we never usually do 'cause we've got stuff to do before the game and pre-games and shows and whatever else. And we all just wanted to go out and just watch him warm up. We just wanted to see it. And then he played the game and he's everything that you thought and he's such a young player. And I feel like he's just on the cusp of something really, really great. You saw that in the Olympics. I think Team France is gonna be a real force to be reckoned with coming up in four years. We'll worry about that. But yeah, I mean, if he's mentioned in the conversation with the Victor Webb and Yama and a Shae Gildes Alexander and Anthony Edwards, in five years, Jason Tatum, I think that that's all you're really looking for. And 'cause there's gonna be tremendous players on that list. - Right. And excuse me, along those lines of the prowess of the players now and how good they are. Julius, my son asked me the other day, like that is Nicole Yokish top five all time centers. And it took everything in me to go the other way. I know I'm like, dang, two time MVP, the passing, the clutch shots. I'm like, in my head, I'm like, okay, who's on the list? - Center. - Right, I'm like, it took everything in me 'cause sometimes I just want to be a little contrarian and not kind of play into all the thoughts he has about the league because sometimes he's all based. I want to give him some perspective on how things have been and things like that. But it was really difficult for me not to say that he's a top five center all time. - Jack. - Wilt, Kareem. Hakeem? - Yeah, but that's my point is like, how many threes have those guys shot? How many passes, they can't do the things that Nicole Yokish can do. And yes, it's a different league and to your point about Anthony Edwards criticizing Michael Jordan, Kevin Garnett, made a good point that I thought that the NBA that was 20 years ago that Michael Jordan played in, I guess about 30 years ago that he played in was more similar to that FIBA game, like the Olympic style where you could kind of ride players over the screens and you could hand check a little bit and there was more physicality. So that style of basketball in the NBA, maybe that freedom of movement is taken away. You know what I'm saying? So it's just a different type of game. But yeah, it was hard to argue that Nicole Yokish point and in your discussion, talking about the top five players and all that, you didn't even mention him. And I obviously is a player who is gonna be a force to be reckoned with. - Physically, as a guy, he'll be around forever because it doesn't look like he exerts any energy. He rarely gets hurt. - Or even Luca, we didn't talk about him. He looks like he's game more weight over the summer. - Yeah. - But David Robinson, Moses Malone, Bill Russell. - Oh, she's not gonna leave him monthly. I don't know. I mean, Yokish has a different type of game. It is not the same type of basketball that they would play compared to Nicole. - Hardly is that the word center and my mind does not think of him as a traditional center. Shaq is a traditional center. Kareem, a traditional center. Hakeem, a traditional center. Wilte, I mean, Wil obviously has a lot of things that goes. He's probably in a class of his own just because he was the unicorn before there was a unicorn for all the things that he did and the way that he played the game. But gosh, that's a great question. - I know, I thought so too. But we are running out of time here in the Sixers talk podcast. A 400 page, nearly 400 page arena study has been released that the city did on whether this Sixers arena should or should not be built in that market street area right by the gallery. We will discuss that on the next podcast, kind of gather more information and be in the know about that. The first thing that popped out is that 40% of the people that attend the games need to take public transportation to avoid gridlock. I thought that was like a-- - That's the number one thing that popped out to me too. - That was like a whoa moment. - You know why? It's because we watch the fans drive in where we work. Like we see it 'cause we're-- - And how you gonna tailgate? You can't tailgate now? You can't tailgate? - You can't tailgate. You can't arrive late or you will be arriving late 'cause it'll be late. There's more than 40% of the fans. And granted, obviously some of those fans that are coming in now couldn't be taking public transportation, but some of those regional rails could be a little busy. - I think people tailgate for Sixers games when there's-- - A big game. - A big game. - Yeah, big game. - It's not a whole lot of tailgate. - There were Knicks fans out here tailgating during the playoffs, so. - Oh yeah, we roll in at three o'clock and they're out there tailgating. - Right. - But we love you guys. Thank you for watching and listening to Sixers talk podcast brought to you by Wilmington University. Ben Barry saying Knicks fans are losers. I think a lot of you would subscribe to that, but we appreciate you, Amy, for your expertise. I'll see you later on when you get in the office for Noah Levick on vacation. I'm Danny Palmel. Thanks for listening and watching. 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