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2811: Nationwide. The International Day of Disappeared
(upbeat music) - Nationwide, we bring you latest current issues, discussions and information. (upbeat music) Nationwide, Andre de Mirreal. - Hello, good evening to you listening to Nationwide. My name is Sany Martin, we are coming to you live from March, Juba and today we are going to be looking at an event which we shall be talking about tomorrow and there will be a lot of events happening here in Juba according to the program I've seen so far. Tomorrow, South Sudan will join the rest of the world, that's on the status of August to commemorate the international day of the disappeared. And this day also gives an opportunity to stand in solidarity with the families of missing persons including victims of enforced disappearances and also to commemorate their missing relatives and the significance of the need to continue to support families of missing persons throughout the country, South Sudan. So, what is being done to acknowledge the plight of the families of missing persons and also help them to know they were about of their missing loved one. These are some of the questions we are going to be putting to my three guests already sitting here with me and our lines will be open to you later where you can call on 091-0629 or 091-062950 or you can also visit our Facebook page and drop your comment there. I will be asking all your queries here to my three guests. Let me take this chance to introduce and welcome my three guests to our studio here. And we have Charles Prasido Wani who is from the Ministry of humanitarian affairs. Actually, he's the director general and also chairperson for the missing person. Good evening and welcome to the premiere. - Good evening, Sunimati. - And we also have Thabo Grace Laki and she is the protection manager from the South Sudan Red Cross. Good evening and welcome to the premiere. - Thank you, good evening everyone who is listening. - And we also have the ICRC deputy protection coordinator, Delphin, you are most welcome to the premiere. I guess it's your first time to be here. - Yes indeed, thank you very much for having us. - All right, let's begin with the government. First of all, why is this day very important for a country like South Sudan that has gone through a lot of conflict. There are so many family who are looking for their loved one. - Thank you, Sunimati. First I want to make some corrections. I'm a director, director Charles. I'm not a director, you know. - We hope you'll come directly. - I hope so, I hope so. Thank you, the day of tomorrow, which is an international day for the disappeared. It's a very important day for South Sudan because it is relevant. We have so many South Sudanese who have also been missing. Some of them are found and some of them are not found. So it is good to bring together members of the families who are missing their people and you see to like to console them. And so this is a good opportunity because this day is celebrated worldwide. So also we see that it is relevant for South Sudan also to commemorate this day also. - Okay, yes, definitely to ISRC. Or does this day mean to ISRC and why is it very important in the context of South Sudan? - Yes, thank you very much. This is indeed a very important day for the whole Red Cross and Red Cross movement. It actually started a few decades ago as a commemoration mainly in Latin America and then soon after it really became a worldwide event. And of course us as the Red Cross Red Cross movement, we work a lot in conflict areas or we deal also with issues like migration and natural disasters. And of course, whether it's conflict, migration or whatever, people get missing, people disappear. And that's where we try to step in. We try to be there for the families. We try to assist them in the search process, sometimes also afterwards with all sorts of other activities. And tomorrow Friday will be really an important day for all of us because it's an opportunity to really stand with the families, to show that we stand in solidarity, that they're not alone and that they're missing loved ones are not forgotten. So it's very important for us. - Okay, and Tabu from the South of the Red Cross, how is the issue of missing persons related to the mandate of your work? - Thank you so much, Elizabeth. Some of the SSI mandates include preventing and deviating human suffering without any adverse discrimination based on nationality, race, ethnicity, gender, language, religious beliefs, social class, political opinions or similar criteria. And also another one is to manage an effective national network to trace and restore family links between people separated because of armed conflict and other situations of violence, natural or man-made disasters or other situations requiring humanitarian response. So this is the linkage. How we intend to look at this as important links to the SSI mandate, thank you. - And do you have anywhere people can come and report cases of a missing person within your office? - Yes, we have the relevant offices from the branches and in the Red Cross language, we call states as branches. We have offices where these people come and also at the headquarters, where we have focal point persons and these people come for their support. - And what kind of support do you offer to these people when they come looking for their missing loved one? - Okay, these people, they get support through phone calls sessions, they are supported, you know, managing phone when you don't have airtime, it becomes difficult. So in this case, SSRC have phones that are filled with the airtime and the people give an opportunity to use these phone calls and also we have two areas in some places where network challenges are. - Okay, and let's find out more from Charles. How is the government contributing towards what's just mentioned, helping people look for their loved one? Because I remember those days during the Sudan conflict when we're still in one Sudan, the ISRC, the Red Cross, they used to send letters, they go and look for a loved one. So how is this happening at the moment in South Sudan where the conflict of 2013, 2016, so many people are still looking for their loved one? - Yes, in fact, the government is trying its best to put a mechanism to solve some of the problems or to answer some of the questions regarding family members who are missing their people. Traditionally, if people get missed, usually people report them to the police or you report them to the radio and then some search is done, but then it's not sustainable. After that, just if you get in one week or two weeks, you don't find your person and that is all you go home. But now the government is making an effort to put down some legal framework, such that there will be an institution that will actually solve or take the responsibility together with some other institutions collaborating together at least to answer through some of the queries, even if it means supporting the families. So this is at the moment, something is being done. But of course, initially, in the past, there was nothing of that sort, though at least in a three or two years time, at least there had been some progress. The government has a kind of institutions where you are actively involved in the search for missing persons across the country. As I said, traditionally, we used to see that when people lost their people, they report to the police. But at the moment, let's talk about that. At the moment, we are at the moment of establishment, which is at the moment is being headed by the Minister of Humanitarian Affairs and the Minister of Management, which is not actively tracing. At the moment, this work is being done by ICRC and South Sudan Red Cross, but we are trying to put down a legal framework so that we will be able to operate. At the moment, the government is not participating that much. - Okay. - platform, yeah. - Yes, Delphin, could you explain some of the activities the ICRC is doing to help the search for missing persons and their families? And what kind of challenges do you encounter when you try to help? - Okay, yes, thank you very much for this question. It's a very interesting question. So to complete a little bit, what Grace started to say already, because we were very close with the South Sudanese Red Cross, of course, on all these activities. It starts already with really families who have lost contact. They can come also or to the SSRC or to ICRC offices, whether it is here in Juba or in Yay, or in Vau or in Malakal. They're more than welcome. And if you won't even at the end, I can share some hotline numbers, which is very useful for everybody who's listening. And then when families come, we really sit with them, we listen to them, we take our time, we try to understand what happens. And the more details we can gather about what happened to the person, how he or she disappeared, we try to then go looking for this person. And of course, we are very much supported by a wide network of SSRC volunteers nationwide who really assist us a lot in looking for these missing persons. Sometimes we even reach out to community leaders, because of course, community leaders play an important role and they often have really valuable information that can guide us to help and find somebody. So that's about to search process as such. But then we have a few other activities as well, trying to support the families of the missing. Just a few years ago, we tried to make an assessment and we actually asked some of the families of the missing, like what are your main problems in daily life? What are your main concerns? And then besides, of course, the fact that, okay, they just want to have the news, they want to know where their lost one is. They also said that quite often they have psychosocial problems, anxiety, nightmares, depression, et cetera, et cetera. And of course, also sometimes economical problems, financial problems, because it is sometimes the breadwinner of the family who went missing. And so trying to respond to those two main concerns, since a few years together with our colleagues from NHPSS, so mental health and psychosocial support, we tried to put in place a kind of a program. And so we tried to reach out to a relatively small number of families, you know, we tried to keep it in a small group. We did it already in Juba, we did it already in WOW, hopefully very soon we will start doing the same thing in Malakal as well. And then we offer this kind of energy PSS support to the families they can talk. We try to give them some tools to have a better coping mechanism, to cope with depression, anxiety, et cetera. And then afterwards, we still sit together with some of these families. And we see like, okay, so from a financial point of view, economical point of view, are some of you willing to start a small project? - Yeah. - And some people then just, you know, want to have a barber shop, grow vegetables, have a little shop and things like this. So these are a few of the things we try to do to support the families of the missing as well. And I don't know, chalice, you can answer this all, taboo, you can come in. Do you have, is there a statistics of how many people are missing what you have in your data? And the deals of a success story of how many people so far have been found and reunited with their family members? Any of you, okay, maybe, yes, definitely go ahead. - Yes, thank you very much. Okay, so, I'll try to explain that one. For the Red Cross, for us, whether it's ICRC or SSRC, since we've worked together, since the independence of South Sudan, so since. - 2011. - Yeah, 2011, since 2011. Approximately 11,000 families, people have approached us. - 11,000. - 11,000, exactly. And out of these 11,000, so far we have managed to locate about 5,000. But that also still means that you have about 5,900, almost 6,000 people who still do not have an answer. Because the search process can be quite complicated, it's definitely not so easy. And we continue for years and years and years. Of course, these are figures of people who approached us. That does not necessarily represent the number of people who went missing in South Sudan. And as it's the case in any other country in the world, we kind of only know the people who approached us who talked to us, and then we have those statistics. But nobody really knows the full number, the full scope. I mean, not only in South Sudan, really all over, internationally, how many people are really missing. We guess it's a lot more than the people who just come to the Red Cross, of course. So these 5,000 have been reunited with their family members. And they were all found within South Sudan or outside the country, or both with. Yeah, very good question again. And so they were located, and if we're talking about, if it's two adult persons, finding each other, we just put them in touch. And they exchanged phone numbers. We offered them free phone calls. You know where your family is. Exactly, at least you know where the family is. If it is an unaccompanied minor, if we're talking about children, or if we would be talking about vulnerable adults, then we really try to reunite. And we bring them physically together, of course, because you cannot leave a child just on their own and just offer them a phone call. And this is exactly, as you said, it happens sometimes within the borders of South Sudan, but it can also happen abroad. As you know, quite a lot of people in South Sudan, due to the conflict, they went abroad, went to Uganda, Kenya, et cetera. So, yeah, we also work in close cooperation with our colleagues in these countries, and then sometimes we have this cross-border reunifications, which are wonderful events. Okay, yes, Tabu, let's find out more from you, as the South Sudan Red Cross, what kind of support does your office give to those, maybe people who come to you, like you've just had 5,000, how are you involved in this process? Because we are told from 2011, we have about 11,000 people who have gone missing, and out of these 11,000, at least 5,000 have been located, then in one way or the other, they have communicated with their loved one. How are you involved? Because I understand you are close with ISRC. - Yeah, as my colleague, Delphin has stated clearly, we are implementing actually, much of the RFL file, and with the support, the chemical support from ISRC, as we work together in partnerships. The support that these report requests, usually when they come, mostly is wanting to know where are bouts of their loved ones, and they possibly, that they demand for family reunification, with their missing persons. Of course, as we know, traditionally, even naturally, if someone goes missing, unless you know exactly whether this person is dead, and is buried, where there is living somewhere else, you have information about. So it is a bit disturbing. So this is one of the demand requests that this report come for, and another one is financial support. Of course, like Delphin has already mentioned, it could be that this person who disappeared, who is missing, is the breadwinner in the family. So it leaves a lot of disaster to the family in terms of food, education, even medication, and sometimes this is what they ask for, and another support they request for could be psychosis or support. You know, these people go a lot of stress, and they actually live in depressed, and they need this support to retain the psychological wellbeing. Thank you. - Okay, if you have just joined us right now, you are listening to nationwide. My name is Sany Martin, and the online should be open to you shortly, where you can call us on 092-9686927. Or you can also call us again on 091-206-2079, or send us your question to our SMS number, 091-2177141, and I will be putting all your questions to my three guests here as we discuss about the international day of the disappeared, which is going to happen tomorrow, Saturday's of August 2024. And in the studio, I have Delphin, who is the ICRC deputy protection coordinator. I also have Tabu Grace Laki, from the South Sudan Red Cross protection manager, and Charles Pracido Wannim, who is the director, ministry of U-Manteran FS, and chairperson for missing persons. You can call us and ask your questions to us here, and I will be putting them right to my three guests. Hello, everybody. Hello? - (speaks in foreign language) - (speaks in foreign language) - (speaks in foreign language) (speaks in foreign language) (speaks in foreign language) - (speaks in foreign language) (speaks in foreign language) (speaks in foreign language) (speaks in foreign language) (speaks in foreign language) - Okay. (speaks in foreign language) - Okay, (speaks in foreign language) Hello, anybody? Hello? - (speaks in foreign language) - Yes, your name? - (speaks in foreign language) - Okay, (speaks in foreign language) - (speaks in foreign language) - Okay. - (speaks in foreign language) - (speaks in foreign language) - (speaks in foreign language) - (speaks in foreign language) - (speaks in foreign language) - (speaks in foreign language) - (speaks in foreign language) - (speaks in foreign language) - Up now, even my uncle, I cannot get it, but they were, they were there across the world. Is there on the side of the offline or over the border of the South Sudan or in the 10th state class, (speaks in foreign language) there is the office there or not? Second, second to that. I want to ask another question because first time to hear something very good for her, but we need to run across to do their own best in over the South Sudan, according to the border, like river, river career, (speaks in foreign language) there is no office there and there is no something called numerator or county, so a bicycle and that it did happen. - All right, thank you so much, folks from with that question, obviously, we have a similar question here coming in from Dan here in Juba. It says my question is going to the ISRC together with the South Sudan Red Cross. The fighting happening in Sudan has displaced a lot of people and over close to a million attorneys and the refugees have crossed and so many families are no longer in touch. He would like to find out what role is ISRC playing right now to ensure that those and an accompanied kids who are coming alone to South Sudan can easily be traced and reunited with their families. That's from Dan here in Juba going to ISRC. My bureau was asking that there are also some people in some deep villages in this country where you cannot access and there are people in those villages who are looking for their loved one. How are you helping those people because he does not see offices of ISRC or the South Sudan Red Cross operating in those areas. More or less, the same question from Dan is also coming from their book about offices at the border areas given the high influx of attorneys and the refugees coming from Sudan to South Sudan due to the ongoing conflict in Sudan. Let's begin with Delphin. - Yes, thank you very much for these very useful questions. I'll try to summarize it a little bit. So some of the questions were like, since ISRC is not really physically present everywhere, how can we reach you? There are actually two possibilities because since we work so closely together with ISRC and ISRC has a lot of volunteers nationwide everywhere. So somebody can try to reach out, talk to your community leaders, try to see if in your location, first of all, you have not just a branch of the ISRC, but whether there are ISRC volunteers working on the file of establishment of family links. And you can even find them in the remotest areas sometimes. So reach out to your community leaders, just inquire, and you might actually have volunteers relatively close by. Then you can really get in contact with them, talk to them, explain your case, and they will gather all the information as well and bring it to the headquarters, et cetera. Another easier way also, if you manage, I will maybe share already the hotline numbers. If that's okay. So and at any time, there's always somebody answering, it's the same thing for the ISRC hotline or for the ISRC hotline, feel free to call us, somebody will answer you and will guide you through the process. And if it's really difficult for you, yeah, okay, I'll make it to call to report a missing password, not say greetings. - No, not exactly, thank you very much. We love greetings, but let's focus on the missing person. So to report somebody of your family missing, feel free to call, like I will start with the ISRC hotline number, which is 0928016027, that's the first one. And there is a second one, which is 092180112. These are the hotline numbers of the ISRC, but I think Grace will probably share now also the hotline numbers of the ISRC. So that's already one way to reach us. As we said, ask whether there are ISRC volunteers in your area could very well be the case. If not, feel free to call us on these hotline numbers. - Okay, just maybe somebody who might have missed it when you are reading it is 0928016027. And then there is 0912180112. So these are the hotlines for ISRC. If you have a missing person, please call this number and explain the details of the person who I have calling from. There will be any person to help you. It's the hotline for ISRC. Yes, Grace, go ahead. - Yes, thank you. I think before I read the hotlines, I would like to supplement. - Yeah. - You know, as a national society, we can not really be all over the country after the grassroots because it demands resources. Right now we have field officers, RFL officers in seven states. We call them branches. Benji is one of them, Malaka is one of them. Wao is one of them, Bo is one of them. Roombake, Yambio, Torita and Juba. And of course, these states they have subunits. And we have volunteers there, but like he has put it right in the deep rural areas. So that could be true that we don't have volunteers there. - Okay. - Because we have to have the personnel and they trained on the job, how to do it. - Right. - Nelson mentioned like getting information from the leader, the community leaders is very vital also. Because sometimes we shall get that information through the community leaders who will access the branch office. The second thing I wanted to mention is about the Sudan conflict. - Yes. - Yes, we have a lot of influx. Like we have set a referral unit immediately in ring. So they are trained volunteers with the team leaders that are providing the services. But of course, the areas like we also in the border, we just send people stuff there to train, but we don't have an officer, but still the volunteers are there. So I would argue that to make life simple, let them access us through the offices at the branch level. Let them get information there. Under our hot lines for SSRC is 0.914. 992755. And then the MTN is 0.922. 62152. - Excuse me? This is 622? - Okay. - All right. We shall be coming back to you later. We can still call us right now on 0.9912062079. And they also ask your questions. Our lines are also open. You can visit our Facebook page and drop your question there. We have a couple of them coming in here. I will be reading some of them. There is another question coming from Isaac Tongdak from Ben Thieu in the United States. It says there is a breakdown of ISRC service in Ben Thieu. What is the problem? Happy Delphine? - Yes, well, indeed. Unfortunately, since last year, the ISRC globally faced a bit of a financial crisis. So not just in South Sudan, but in many other countries. We had to kind of reduce the services, the footprints, which is very unfortunate. In a way, we're still lucky here because at least we still have the SSRC who are very active and very much engaged. And in Ben Thieu, for example, we have the SSRC branch with who? Actually, we work very closely. So sometimes we go and field trips together. The team from the SSRC in Ben Thieu, we often go together in the field, looking for people, trying to trace them, trying to search missing persons. And since Ben Thieu is also quite up north, of course, they were really also impacted by the influx of refugees and returnees. And then going further up north, so further up north, and Ben Thieu, for example, going to Ruang administrative area. In some of the camps there, like Pamir, Adwantok, Yida, very recently, we have identified new SSRC volunteers. So those are really people from the community itself, from amongst the refugees who stood up and who said, "Yeah, I want to help my community. "I want to become a volunteer myself." Then we trained them. And now they are just, as Grace mentioned already, they're doing exactly the same activity as in the rank. So they offer these kind of services, autonomously, independently, phone call sessions, et cetera, et cetera. - All right, sorry. Hello, everybody. Hello? - Hello, Tom Mato. - Yes, your name. - We are seeking to view you from a dynasty option. - Okay, do you go ahead? - I appreciate the discussion of today. It has been helpful for me. Let me write to the point. Just my question is, to the that in the stadium, like to do the limitation of the IAT for the last place. What I mean, like some student has been in work and told me, "You need a lot of people like me. "I need my own control in 1980, maintain your fear." If you are able to access people who are involved in that year or not, that is one. The other thing is to contain most of the limitations like crisis of Sudan. We know the people who are believing in crisis of Sudan and also are believing in it. We will be having a general of these people that any have or not. We are treated and have learned what they do. - Okay. - Thank you. - Thank you so much. Dio for your two questions. He says, "The people of Sudan have been in crisis "for a very long time and living for him. "His uncle went missing since 1988." And now with this crisis also happening in Sudan, there are some people who might have come, he said, "Living there loved one behind. "How do you help to trace this kind of people?" Another question here is going to the government. He says, "My name is Lupai. "I'm writing from Yay River County "of Central Dakota State. "We have some people who have somehow been abducted "and taken to, okay, by Amda group. "How can you help trace this kind of people? "You also have been abducted in their houses "and taken to the bush by Amda group. "And there's no trace, no communication. "If I try to communicate with them, "I may be seen to be as an agent. "I can be picked by the government here and locked inside. "I am in dilemma. "Help me." That's from Lupai. - Yeah, as a government, first of all, abduction is one of the ways of how people get missing. - Yeah. - Yeah, so at the moment, as a government, we have a committee that is just working on ad hoc basis in the office of the president, who is handling issues of abduction. Now, this one now will depend if such cases is reported. Yeah, and then also it will depend on the circumstances. Circumstances, like if it's saying, if it's already able to know, you see, there is an element, it's already saying that the people like Amgroups, they are Amgroups, we don't know whether they are rebels, just anybody who is armed. So meaning that one now may have to involve issues like negotiation. Yeah, so it depends on the circumstances. See, if it is abduction, what is the character of that person who participated in the abduction? - Okay, yeah. Now, before we hear answers from other guests here, what concrete action or in terms of policy or legislation is the government taking to address the issue of missing persons in South Sudan? - Yes, yes, that's very good. Just a brief history about our background on the 10th of February, which of year 2021. Yeah, the government established a technical working group. A technical working group. And that technical working group was given a mandate to come up with a legal framework, with a legal framework that will guide issues that will be able to solve some of these issues. So as of now, the Ministry of Humanitarian Affairs has already produced a bill, and that bill is already submitted by our Honorable Minister Albino Akolatak to the cabinet. No, to the Minister of Justice, because that is a proceeding. Yeah, the Ministry initiated the bill, and there's now submitted it to Minister of Justice, and now who is the technical institution to look through if it is okay, and then it will proceed to the cabinet. If there are some additions, some amendments, and then they will say it will come back to us to the Ministry and say try to put this right. Yeah, the moment that bill, I mean, that bill has reached the cabinet and up to the parliament and the president. Yeah, a lot of things will be solved. Yeah, because it's going to involve some institutions. You know, it's like, you can see there's also the Red Cross, the ICRC, they have some of the limitations. But if it is now the government, because it's going to involve so many institutions that will cooperate, you know, by law, by mandate, they will be asked to cooperate in the process of search. Okay, yeah. Now, all right, so this is at the moment, what is this status at the moment? Okay, there was this question from you, somebody who went missing in 1990, 1988, yeah. Is it possible to trace this person? Yeah, I mean, for the site of the government, we do not have at the moment a mechanism that will assist in tracing that, because even until you have a law that you, because in that law it will say how you will cooperate, like people are mentioning Sudan. Sudan is already another country, yeah. So meaning that you need to have some legal instrument that will ask you maybe as a government or as people there in Sudan, by electoral, to cooperate in searching for the nationals. Okay, yeah. Would you like to add something? Yeah, absolutely. In principle, there is no time limit, meaning that as long as the person got lost, whether it's linked to the conflict, migration or natural disaster, the person can always try to reach us or the SSRC, and we will be set together and let's talk and let's try to see if there is still something we can do, if there are still some elements. And maybe just as a gesture of hope, in other contexts where I've worked, we are still sometimes able to locate a person, to find a person even 20 years after they go missing. So never give up hope, always reach out to us, let's sit together, let's think, and let's hope for the best. Okay, and you talked about 11,000 missing persons also then, what about globally? Because we are talking about international day of the disappeared, do you have a figure globally? Yeah, absolutely. Globally, the figure is almost 240,000 people who have approached Red Cross and Red Cross and movement. Of course, this does not represent a number of all the people who went missing, those are just the people who approached us. In Africa itself, it's about 71,000 people, who were reported missing to us. And unfortunately, that's kind of the highest number, it's really de-context with the most people going missing in Africa. Okay, do you have one event in Juba tomorrow? Yes, absolutely. Why is it happening? The event happens in the volleyball stadium, Nimrat Lata, it's not really public, unfortunately. I'll have to explain that a little bit, but each year we have events taking place in Juba, also in Ye, Malakan, and in WoW, it's always in very close cooperation with the SSRC, of course, and with several dignitaries. So, of course, from the Ministry of Humanitarian Affairs and several others. So you have the guests being invited to dignitaries and then several people, families of the missing, with whom we have worked over the years. So each year we try to invite a bit different families, they come and participate and they play a very important role. So, for example, they give their own testimonies. There's always a time where they stand up and give their testimonies, and tomorrow there will be also a wonderful event because some of the families of Don Bosco, they have decided that they themselves want to do a drama. And they have been rehearsing very hard, and I'm sure I saw the rehearsal, it's very touching, but it reaches out also, so also the other families can relate to that. Okay, and as we conclude, let's begin with you. Tabogreza, what is your message to people who are still looking for their loved one on this important day? It is tomorrow as a SSRC. - Thank you very much. My message is that let us not lose hope. Sounds done right across. Like I'm getting these questions to direct it to ICRC, why you've left to bend you, but I would say still we have RFL services in the bend you. So let us get to know, and with the dissemination that is going on, awareness raising on RFL services, I hope people should come forward for the support. Let them seek for the support. It's a process, of course, such is a process, but you need to put on that information such as that we know. We are there to help the people. We have trained a good number of volunteers now that are all over supporting people, giving messages and also ready to give services, like for tracing, for example. So I would say it happens, but we are there to do what we can to support the people. - Okay, yeah. - And there are people who are looking for their loved one. Should they continue to hope that one day, they will be united? - Yes, absolutely. I mean, that's what we all hope. And we never know what kind of answer will be given if there will be an answer, but we should all keep hoping and we should all stand also really in solidarity already throughout the whole process, throughout the whole time, throughout the years, maybe that sometimes it might take. I think it's up to all of us, whether you're a Red Cross, authorities, journalists, to have this awareness and to really try to support those families who really need it. - Okay, yes, Charles. Your final remark on this is important, the work can the people expect from the government support. They are citizens to locate their loved one. - Yeah, I want to pass this message to our South Sudanese that led them have hope because by the time we have our legal framework operational, a lot of things will be solved regarding their faith of their loved ones who get lost and are not found. Like for example, one person say it is looking for somebody who got lost since 1988. In the inside the legal framework, there is a point that you can have a certificate. You see, there is a period that if you have been looking for your person for a long time. For a long time, you see, that one can be concluded. You see, and that one at least will now put to rest. - Okay. - Yeah, so let's pray that things will improve. Especially, I mean, this button is mostly now taken by the South Sudan Red Cross and ICRC. And that is one of the purpose that actually ICRC has come up clearly to build the capacity of the government. - All right. - Especially in this area. - Thank you so much, Charles Prasidawaneem, the director in the Ministry of Humanitarian Affairs and also chairperson for missing person. And we had Tabu Grace Laki, who is the protection manager from the South Sudan Red Cross and then Delphin, the ICRC deputy protection coordinator. Thank you so much for coming. And we hope to talk to you some other time again. - Thank you very much. - Thank you for the opportunity. - Thank you, sir. - Thank you.