My guest Tyler from Rave & Drool Podcast is here to talk about the music of Joey Lawrence! The teen idol who starred in TV's "Blossom" released several albums, starting with his self-titled debut. The song "Nothing My Love Can't Fix" was a bonafide hit! Does Joey really smell like a zoo? we also touch on some NKOTB talk, sibling podcasts, cruises, and great random music chat!
Dope Nostalgia
Episode 211 - Joey Lawrence
[Music] Open up that crystal Pepsi and get comfortable. [Music] This is Dopeness Dopeness. [Music] Hey everybody, welcome to Dopeness Stalja. I'm your host Naomi. I feel like I haven't talked to you guys in a long time, but hey, we're here. We're ready to do another episode with you. And I have a special guest today from another podcast called "Rave and Drool" podcast. The amazing host Tyler is with me today to talk about Joey Lawrence, the big star of the 90s, mostly known for being on the show Blossom. But he did put out at least a couple albums back then. And the first one being quite successful. And that's one we're going to talk about mostly today. So let's get into the Joey Lawrence chat before we do that. I just wanted to remind everybody that for only a dollar a month, you can subscribe to Patreon at Dopeness Dalja and help support the show. You'll get early access released to the show as well as some other perks and some merchandise if you are a longtime contributor. So you can check that out at patreon.com/dopenessdalja. Go over there and show your love for the show. We really, really appreciate it. Here's some background information on Joey Lawrence. ♪ Wikipedia moments ♪ Please bear in mind that Wikipedia is not to be taken as actual 100% fact. Any donkey could edit it at any time. If I'm reading you the artist bio, that stuff is a real truth. Joseph Florence Mignogna, the third, I hope I said that right. I'm trying to sound it out. Mignogna. He was an American actor, musician, singer/songwriter, record producer, podcaster, and game show host. He was a busy guy. He was a child actor in the early 80s and portrayed Joey Russo on Blossom and Joe Longo in Melissa and Joey. He also starred in Give Me a Break in the 80s and the series Brotherly Love with his real-life brother's Matthew and Andrew. The film appearances include Summer Rental in '85 and Oliver & Company in '88. Lawrence was born and raised in Abington Township, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, which is a suburb of Philly. He is the oldest son of Donna Lynn, who is a personal manager and former elementary school teacher and Joseph Lawrence Mignogna Jr. an insurance broker. He is a Italian, English, and Scottish descent. And his family's stage surname was changed to Lawrence during his childhood when he started acting. His two younger brothers, also very well known, actors Matthew and Andrew. Joey graduated from Abington Friends School in Jankentown, Pennsylvania in 1994 and later attended the University of Southern California. Now, he was an actor. There's a lot of acting information you can check out, but we want to talk about his music today. Lawrence has said that music was always his passion, and at the height of his success, he began a recording career. Joey was 16 when his debut album, Joey Lawrence, was released in February of '93. Produced by Steve Berry, Tony Paluso, Terry Lupton, and Ian Prince. Joey co-wrote some material, including the international hit single, "Nothing My Love Can't Fix," which hit number six on the Billboard Hot 100 AirPlay chart, and a bunch of other really good charts, too. The song was used as the end title theme from a film cop-and-a-half. Its music video received heavy airplay on MTV and much music, and Lawrence was invited to perform live on MTV's "Spring Break," the Arsenio Hall show, and the UK's "Top of the Pops" in 1993. In June 2011, he released a single, "Rolled," which was available as a free download for one week on ABC Family's website. In July, Joey released a second single, "Give It To You," "The Pledge Music." In 2017, Joey started a band with Matt and Andy called Still Three. They released a debut single called "Lose Myself." Nowadays, Joey launched a podcast called "Brotherly Love" with his brothers, Andrew and Matthew. It was launched through "Podco," a podcast studio launched by actress Christy Carlson Romano, and focused on re-watches of completed television series by their former actors. I want to welcome Tyler to the show today. Once again, he's from the "Rave and Drool" podcast. And he's got so much to talk about with Joey today, so let's welcome Tyler to the show. I want to welcome you, Tyler, of "Rave and Drool" podcast to "Dope Nostalgia." Yes, well, thank you for having me. This is very dope indeed. When did you get started with your show? I tried to make a documentary, like a film documentary for 10 years ago or something like that. I'm shot 30, maybe 30 interviews, something like that on camera, and then I end up, ultimately, we weren't able to take it to the next level. So three or four years ago, I decided to kind of stop that pursuit and then turn it into a podcast in which what is different from what the film would have been. The film would have been a wide view of the '90s in Canada, all rock kind of scene, but this one, you're kind of telling more individual stories. So I've been kind of doing-- the podcast started off kind of biweekly and then life kind of gets in the way and stuff like that, so I still turned into kind of a few episodes a year now, but I still kind of update the social media and keep that more active. I have a lovely girl who helps me on Winnipeg, kind of keeps the social media active to a lot of cool tidbits and trivia and stuff like that. That's one thing I really noticed about you right off the bat was on Twitter, X, whatever. Yeah, you have a very engaging social media, and you ask a lot of questions of your listeners and keep them, you know, interested. I found that really cool. Yeah, thanks. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. Yeah, it's just interesting. Eric Alper does a lot of questions and I just rephrase them with like the hashtag Canadian in front of them because I feel like the music here doesn't get celebrated maybe enough as it should, even by Canadian sometimes. So I try to make the answers, the questions specifically Canadian to kind of celebrate some of the records from this country. Yeah, Eric Alper was a guest on the show too. I remember getting him on because he was helping me find people and I said, "I actually want to interview you." So that was pretty sweet. Yeah, it was totally bizarre because I interviewed like Tom Wilson from Jungkos like, I don't know, this year or late last year or something like that. And he's like, "Yeah, I'll get my publicist to email you whatever. Am I totally cool?" And it was Eric Alper, I'm a gay. Yeah, very cool. Very cool. You got Tom Wilson too. Yeah, he's great. Superneck. He's been a supporter of the accounts for quite some time. He tweeted a few things and liked a few posts, so he's very cool. Yeah. What's been the favorite episode for you that you've produced? Well, all the Canadian ones, you know, I can't really go one or the other, but I do the odd special presentation as I call them where I just kind of talk to people who aren't really 90s or Canadian, but I really dig in that don't get celebrated enough. Maybe I did two of those. I did one with Steve Harley who just recently passed away. He's a UK guy from the 70s, and so I was able to do like two sessions. So he's gave me like four hours of this time. I was just like unbelievable. He's such a brilliant storyteller as well as musician and vocalist. And then one with Keith Hampshire, who was a Canadian guy, but he only made two records and he is like one of the best voices you'll ever hear. Like he did the definitive version of first cut as the deepest. Like he's the one you hear it and Safeway and stuff like that. Like his and the song and needed like big time operator and daytime night time. These are like huge radio songs and nobody really knew his name, I thought. So I thought it kind of showcased his record. And so he was generous gave me a couple hours. But yeah, it's hard to pick from the Canadian 90s stuff because they're all really special because that's all the stuff I grew up on. So those are all each and everyone's awesome. And that's why we do these shows. And I think it's so funny when you said Safeway because we were just having a conversation with my friend Colin, who's been on the show many times. He texted me from the grocery store and said they're playing Bon Jovi. He's like, "How old do you feel right now?" I tell you, it was just like yesterday, I think. Literally yesterday I was driving my mom on some errands and stuff like that. And I have the Keith Hampshire on the iPod that we have hooked up to the radio in the car. And first cut as the deepest came on and we were walking out to it. And then literally we would stop at Safeway, she wanted to pick up a few things. And it was on the Safeway. I was like, "We were just listening to that in the car." Literally just happened yesterday. I want to make sure too I pronounce your last name right. Is it Ellen Young? Close. Ellenic. Ellenic. Easier. I made it more difficult. Yes, people do. It's not an easy name. It's not very phonetic. I think if you mentally take the U out, Ellenic. Yeah, I think even Ellenics pronounce it differently. But that's the way I like to roll with it. I have a few Canadian acts in mind that I wonder if you remember because you know so many of such a wide amount. So I wanted to bring up their names. World on Edge. World on Edge. This one, you're something me. Is that 80s? No, it's got to be 80s. It was early 90s. Early 90s. It's got to be pop then. They were a pop rock. It was like four guys. Long hair. But their sound was almost more like pop rock than straight out head rock, but they were an actual band. They opened for rock sets on their tour across Canada in '92. See some of that, the guy was 78, so some of that really early 90s stuff I'm not asked familiar with. Because like I said, I was still listening to like I'm an only child, so I didn't have like big brothers or sisters kind of grooming me. So it was like much music and MTV. So it was, you know, new kids on the block and all that kind of stuff. And we'll leave an early man. And all that was my joints back in the day. And then so like the early 90s stuff always surprised me. Like, here I'm scared. I was like a 90s band. But you think of that more. It was an 80s band. So like I'm not as familiar with that with those early cuts, to be honest. Aaron Scaram is a good band too. I love that. But you're born in '78 and so was I. Yeah, they're right. So yeah, we parked our cars on the same garage. That's right. I like that. Okay. What about Jane Child? Jane Child? No. You see, you see, you're the facade of meetings, sort of a 90s expert is quickly being shattered. So we also have added all these portions out of the podcast. Let's give it a rep to protect you. Don't worry. No. Yeah. No, that's good. I'm always looking to learn. It's still, it's wild. Yeah. I'm still finding artists and stuff. Even like late 90s artists or midnight is still finding stuff I didn't know about. You know, that didn't get like even the break to get on sonic onion or something like that. But, you know, still made record stuff like that. So I'm still pursuit is always on and you're still finding nuggets. So then we're glad you brought those up. Yeah. But to talk about our main subject today was huge, huge, teen idol, mostly for the fact that he was a TV star on the show Blossom. Joey Lawrence. Now, why did you pick Joey? I actually always been a fan of Joey, followed his career even as a little kid and gave me the break. He was in this flick called Pulse. He was in John Travolta film called Chains of Gold, which was kind of a dramatic turn before John Travolta's Renaissance, and then he gets on Blossom and of course I'm watching out, you know, every week. Right. And then so how the music came is that they ended up dropping the video from nothing my love can't fix at the end of a Blossom episode, and I was all in man. I was on bond record the next day. Yeah. Yeah. I remember my friends really liked it and we listened to it. But Joey, in preparation for this episode, I did some YouTube rabbit holes last night and I watched him as a five-year-old kid as a guest on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. Yeah. That was a big break. Yes, indeed. Yeah. You're sitting there rocking the mic is a little tight, can't you? Yeah. Yeah. The tap dance on. Mm-hmm. And he was very engaging and cute and sweet and ready to be a star. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yup. Talented family. Oh, yeah. And he's got two brothers who are in the game with him. Yeah. And check this out. You'll appreciate this story. And none of them ever got in trouble, you know, no tabloid headlines, no drug issues, right? Always, you know, raised well. And then I was living in L.A. for a few months, I don't know, ten years ago or something like that. And Joey was filming, listened, Joey was with most Joan Hart. And so I went to a taping. And for whatever reason, through interviews or something, because they're all, you know, like you mentioned, they're very family oriented family. And I would actually by happen chance end up sitting beside Joey's mom for the taping. And I'm like, aren't you Joey's mom? And she's like, yeah. And she's like, so this day, she still goes to everyone who's taping just to support her sons and stuff like that. Oh, they're so beautiful. And then I was like talking, I was like, man, I was talking about the music, right? And I'm like, even that second record, I said, there's a track called, um, I said, forget how it goes. I'm on an absolutely with the second album, but I still own it and dig it. I started like reciting like part of the chorus and then she like finishes it and she's like dropping every lyric. So she's like, all in, man, it was pretty cool. Oh. Yeah. No, I remember. And then the other YouTube video I saw that actually shocked me a little bit was his interview at Much Music with Steve Anthony. Did you see that? No, I don't think I have. Now, Steve Anthony was a very well known and talented, much music DJ. Well, for sure, legend, legend in the game. Absolute legend. I agree. In this video was shocking to me because he seemed really off that day. He was, I hated his interview with him. He was awful to Joey. Ah, I see. I don't care for that. Yeah. It was really weird. Like he wasn't like mean to him, but he just seemed like he was out of it. Steve. But I was, and you see all the comments on the video too. They're like, everyone's like, what's wrong with this interviewer? And I'm like, this is so weird for Steve Anthony. Anyway, Joey handled it like a professional. He's a pro. Yeah. Yeah. I don't like that. I'll have to look that up. Yeah. And it's like starstrucks. He's overcompensating. I don't know. Yeah. I won't look like a fan, but I actually secretly am a fan. So I'm going to try to play it cool. Yeah. It's too loose. This interview took place around the time that the first album came out. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was like, I think there's a lot of pushback, I think, with like actors trying to be musicians and people don't think they're legit and all this kind of stuff. But if people don't realize, like on that first record, like Joey has a writing credit on 10 of the 12 tracks, you know, like there's like some piano stuff that you know he wrote in his bedroom and they just, you know, worked him up in the studio. Like the guys like legit, man. I think he was probably a musician before he was an actor. Yeah. For sure. I think it's like I watched some of that brotherly love podcast that they do. And they talk a lot about their growing up and family and stuff like that. And I think his dad was actually like a singer. And so like when they go to auditions and stuff like that, they were always singing in a car and that's really the base of it. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. I never did watch Melissa and Joey. Oh, you missed a hole, man. It's on the Disney channel. You should check that out. I think I wasn't really, wasn't familiar with her career. Like I ever watched Sabrina, the teenager witch. I just knew of her. Yeah. And I watched it because Joe was in it and then yeah, it's great stuff. Bye. Wow. Yeah. No, that all of them came out. And I remember the second single, I remember, um, I totally forgot about until I, I watched the music video yesterday and it was a song called I Can't Help Myself. Oh, great song. That song's even better. I agree. It opens up the record. And that's just a hot jam out the gate. I agree. And 100%. Yeah. For sure. And that one's like the only stick to songs that people think of when they hear of like Joey's music is like nothing my love can't fix and stay forever. But I can't help myself. Was the probably the strongest of those three tracks. Mm hmm. I agree. I really enjoyed it. And I'm like, oh, I'll re-add this to my Spotify playlist. Yeah. It's pretty good. And there's cuts on that album that like just another love song which is like very, you know, it's at that same level and it was like just a deep cut. It was never a single. And you know, there's like, you know, people don't, to me, that's like one of the most underrated records in general. I mean, if I'm taking two albums from 1993 to Desert Island, it's, it's a Joey Lawrence self title at Pearl Jam versus those are the two, you know, 1980 course. I mean, I can't, you know, non-Canadian albums. I should clarify. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If I'm taking two non-Canadian albums, so my Desert Island of 1993, it's Pearl Jam versus Joey Lawrence, Joey Lawrence. Nothing. My love can't fix the ultimate 90s video. Oh, it's great. He had that signature look of about him where he wore the leather jacket, but he always had like the plaid, plaid jacket also tied around his waist with his ripped jeans. That's it. And the motorcycle boots, man. Totally. Oh, yeah. It's a great video, man. So many colors, bright, fun video. The thing is, I mean, what that record too, since that is the topic, is that people don't realize he wrote that record. He was like, you know, 14 to 15, I think recorded or something like that, and it's a very mature sounding album. But even the vocals don't sound like a teeny bop or they're much more developed than I think people realize, you know, track like in these times is a very politically conscious track. Hmm. Yeah. Like I can go deep on the album, man. Don't for it. You know, it's in there. We picked up the LP, the vinyl version, which is only released in Brazil. So I finally got a security copy from my record player. Very excited. Last year. What's your vinyl collection? Like huge? No, I started out pretty huge, like, I don't know, 10 years ago, I was just going on disc dogs and buying like every snow album I could find and, you know, murder, love and 12 inches. Nice. I've cooled down on the vinyl buying as of late, just because the job I have, I just listen to music all day in podcasts. So when I get off, I just kind of relax and I'll buy as much vinyl as I used to unless it's like the new Pearl Jam or, you know, then, you know, then I'll, you know, get in just for kind of complete a sake, but yeah. But it's pretty solid. I mean, I got about, I don't know, 100 records on easy access and then about 200 and kind of other cardboard and stuff like that. That's a pretty decent collection. Yeah. Sizable. A lot of 90s stuff for sure. For sure. Very exciting. The issue of vinyl is that salmon blast, they're just dropped their album on vinyl for the first time. And there's actually their unreleased second album on that as well. American Giant makes great clothing, T-shirts, jeans and more right here in the US, creating jobs in towns and cities across the country. Start America's workers and get 20% off your first order at american-giant.com with code staple 20. That's pretty cool. I don't know of them. Are they a Canadian group? Yeah. You should check out the song called Freeway. It's like a staple. You love it. Yeah. Love it. They made one album and they broke up. When was it? Um, it's been like 96 maybe, 97. Okay. Yeah. Freeway. You'll love you. Just listen to five times in a row. Trust me. There's a good tidbit of everybody. Freeway, salmon blaster. Check it out. If you're not familiar. Yes, indeed. Yeah. You'll listen to it on repeat. Such a good song. When you dive in the album and they say the album is solid as well. It's a shame that general comfortless guys. I'll check it out. Going back to nothing my love can't fix. I was listening to the rap at the end. And these lyrics, I died. This is so great. The part that says that we were meant, girl, me and you, but lately, you've been acting like I smell like a zoo. I know. Billie is to be exact and he is my origin as a matter of fact. That's right. Let's get back to the subject at hand. Yes. I'm familiar. Yeah. I know. I'm burning that question too. I said, what exactly is that reference thing? I want to know how people have said to him. You smell like a zoo. Yeah. I don't know. I hope to get Joey on the podcast one day and then Joey, if you're listening. It's @ravejoule. I follow you on the Instagram, R-A-V-E-D-R-O-O-L. Let's do it, my friend. Let's take a deep dive on this record and celebrate it. Very good. It deserves to be. Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. The lyrics are good. Yeah. But I mean, I would, I would hold his rapping. I mean, you're kind of a snicker in there, but I would like to see a rap out between him and Donnie Wahlberg, because your boy there, Donnie, also was not afraid to rap back in the day. Still isn't. I'm still at that same level. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I had a question for you, actually, about the new kids, because you're, I rarely get a chance to talk to a new kid's expert. Okay. No, I'm not. I like to be in that category. Okay. Yeah. Well, yeah. I see the social media posts. You're at the events and you're in there. You're doing the podcast. You're definitely an expert. Now Jonathan and Danny, can you tell when they're actually singing on any of the songs? Yes. Well... I cannot. Like, unless it's like that solo, like a happy birthday or whatever you did on step-by-step, one of them did like a solo deal, it's usually just the three of those guys, all handling all verses. I think it's true. It's true. I can hear their solo parts, though, but the thing is, is you're right. If it's layered into a harmony or whatnot, I really can't tell. Yeah. But... But... But... I've always been surprised that even on... You're singing on everything, apparently. Apparently. Right. But this is what I'm saying, apparently. I was surprised that even on the comeback, they weren't like, "Okay, let's try to make it more even." But it's still those top three guys singing everything, or 90% by 95% everything. So I'm just wondering if what the general consensus in the new kids fandom is on that issue. I know. And I do think because Jonathan... Jonathan's so busy and other aspects of life, like with his HGTV show and his real estate and whatnot. I do believe that when he comes back to do new kids stuff that he's just enjoying the company and the friendship and the fun with the fans, I don't think it really matters to him that much if he gets leads or not. But on the new album that just came out, literally like last week... Oh, really? And I wasn't aware of that. That's awesome. Yeah. And their first new album in over a decade, called Still Kids. But there is a song that Joey wrote for Jonathan to sing, and he does the lead, the whole thing. And it's... No, this makes me happy. Yeah, right on. It's a beautiful song. It's called Better Days. And it's about his relationship with him and his husband. Huh. Interesting. It's really nice. Yeah, it is really cool. And John's saying a great... Like, he did great. He sounds wonderful. Yeah. And that's what I'm saying. Like, him and Danny can sing. Yeah. Like, I just don't know why. Even back in the day, they weren't like allowed to. Because, you know, they're just fascinating to me that whole dynamic. Yeah. I don't really know what behind... I know. Yeah, you called me the expert, but I don't really know what they do behind closed doors when it comes to choosing parts and what they're actually singing in the harmonies and the choruses and whatnot, but apparently they are definitely part of it. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, I don't doubt it. I'm just... Yeah. It's always just been an interesting idea to me, just the dynamics of how five people in a group and then three kind of be the front people. It's interesting. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I thought you might share some insights. I appreciate you discussing that. Of course. I'm always here for any of your new kids' knowledge. Don't worry. Yeah. I'll be dropping you up. I get some burning questions. But I was always at the top of my head when it came to it. So I was like, "This is my girl, she'll figure it out." I'll be June 13th, I'll be down for the beginning of the Magic Summer Tour. Oh, yeah? I actually have an individual meet and greet with them, so I will be just me and the five of them. Oh, no way. That's awesome. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. Very, very excited, so. Yeah, I would be too. Very cool. Are they doing signings and stuffers? There's photos or...? Oh, it does. Nice, nice, nice. That's awesome. Who are they taking on the Magic Summer Tour? Paula Abdul and DJ Jazzy Jeff. Oh. And so how long is the set do they get then? Is it like an hour? Well, it's going to be different than the Mixtape Tour because the Mixtape Tour was basically like a Mixtape. Literally, they'd do a few songs, Salt and Pepper would do a few songs. And Vogue, Rick Astley, that was the last Mixtape Tour, so they'd just kind of like go back and forth. This is going to be like your traditional opener. Okay. So we're not sure yet how long they're going to be on stage four, but we'll see with new material too. And it's an outdoor tour. Oh, cool. So it's all amphitheaters? Oh, nice. That'd be fun. Yeah. Yeah. That's speaking of tours is that like I don't know why Joey Lawrence is not on either of the '90s tour. He is the perfect guest for that tour. He can actually emcee the whole thing as well. He could sit there because he can host things as well and check this out. It's not on spot off anymore. I'm not sure what happened. Maybe it's a right tissue or something, but like a decade ago or maybe less, he covered ice ice baby with like female frontiers or a girl he likes an artist or something like that for her name, but yeah, he covered ice ice baby, which is kind of strange. It was always just in my heaven there. I was like, these are my two guys. I can't see the cupboard of a sunny day, I'm still looking at the point of view. What can I do to take your tears away? Oh, nothing I need, I feel the time for crying, just tell me why you look so sad tonight. I know it's crazy, living in the world is this word, if you take me by that pain. 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He's kind of dribbles out the right word, but he puts out songs every so often, but not like a full record, and him and his brothers put out a song a few, a while back, and I mean, they did, they're doing the theme song for the new podcast, and when you listen to the podcast, they're always referencing like a song or going to the studio or this and that, so I think that he still loves to do it, but yeah, I just love to see him kind of put both feet in and just, you know, take a hard run at it, and do something like the "I Love the 90s" tour, which I think he would be perfect for, because, you know, he does represent the 90s in a lot of ways, just as an actor, like on the television show, and then the music as well, and like, I mean, if that record, I think, just was kind of, you know, wrong time. I think it's five years, maybe too late in five years, maybe too early. It was, like, right in the heart of, like, grunge and stuff like that, '93, so they weren't really, like, the new kids were feeling that pain as well with, like, what faced the music around '93, '94, so people weren't responding to that kind of, just kind of fun pop music the way they were. Yeah. Backstreet came around the way they were when new kids were in their heyday, so just kind of a victim of bad timing on his part, and I think that's a bit of a shame, and that's why I think he had a follow-up that took, like, four years or five years to come out, so, yeah. I did hear a song, I think it was in the 2000s, though, called "Rolled." Yeah, that's right. That's on Spotify, yeah. And J.T. or J.T. sounds so much like "My Love" by Justin Timberlake, the instrumental part of the song. Interesting. I don't much of Justin Timberlake's work, so I couldn't make the... Yeah, I feel like it was pretty heavily, like, "Rolled" might have been heavily influenced by that. It's got that Timbaland production kind of sound, but I don't believe that Timbaland was involved in it, so... Like, I do know that, just from the podcast, that Joey is a big fan of Justin Timberlake's music, so you definitely probably would have been influenced on him. Yeah, it makes sense. He brought him up a couple times in some of their discussions that they have. Yeah, that song came out in 2011, and it was available as a free download for one week on ABC Family's Web sites. Nice. Yeah. Nice. So, he seems to have always kind of incorporated his music releases with whatever acting gig he's doing. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Mm-hmm. And so, speaking of Joey, Matt, and Andy, the three of them, like we've mentioned, the podcast "Brotherly Love" is great. It's a very positive show, and of course, I've listened to the episode where they interviewed Donnie Wahlberg. I haven't gotten to that one yet, see, I'm trying to go in sequence, so I'm looking forward to it, because Donnie's like my guy along the club, new kids, he's my jam, you know, rough rugged and raw, Donnie Wahlberg. So, I'm excited for that, but I haven't said so many spoilers, please. No, it was no spoilers, but I'll just say it was a really positive episode. Yeah. In general, I mean, they're just like three positive dudes, you know what I mean, and they're really open. I mean, they're not afraid to talk about really, you know, anything. I mean, they're not afraid to tell embarrassing stories and positives, you know, it's interesting to see those three guys, because rarely, rarely is it that you see like three brothers in the industry be that friendly, like I don't think you're just going to see all the ones ever do a podcast called brotherly love. Not at this point, no. You know, so I think that's, you know, you're not going to see Eric and Julia Roberts ever do a podcast called, you know, sibling love, you know, it's very rare, I think that you see maybe the Wilson's, maybe that's another exception, but you know, who else does one? Oliver and Kate Hudson. Yeah, who's all sibling, sibling revelry, it's called yeah, but Oliver's not famous. I'm talking about people with Eagles. I've never even heard of the dude till like literally like a, like a month ago. I first learned a little over because of the TV show Nashville, he was a, he was a cast member on that. Oh, was he? So is he just getting into the business center or something? I don't know. Maybe he's always had these roles when we just never noticed. What is the dynamic with his Kurt Russell? He's not the father of either of them. Is that right? That's right. It's somebody with lusty muds in. So he hooked up with Goldie when she already had two kids, but I thought they would be together longer than either of those kids are alive. Seems like they've been together forever him and Goldie. It seems like they've been together forever because I said hooked up with him, Mr. Hudson and Mr. Hudson and her had two kids. They must have been like two and the Kurt comes in and busts up the whole thing. I don't know. Yeah. I wanted Wikipedia, but I always forget. Go down that rabbit hole. Yeah. I might have to. Get on your to-do list. Yeah. Oh, but yeah. What else do we say about Joey here? I know that he had two albums out in the 90s and 97 he came out with the album Soulmates. And that's another thing timing-wise, 97 wouldn't have been too bad because that is kind of when the Backstreet Boys and Insane and Britney Spears were ruling the charts. So that not like they were just starting to come out. Right. So that record is a little bit more darker than the debut album. I mean, there's a contract called So Much Pain on it. You know, it's like half ballads, half kind of faster beat tracks when the other one was kind of like, you know, 10 out of 12, like 85% kind of more danceable stuff. So I think that's just it was a changing. It had have been like a kind of direct sequel to that first record. Again, like you said, I might have been a touch early, but if anybody out there is interested in Joey Lawrence's deep cuts on the second record, I highly suggest me and you is a might want to be my favorite song on the second album, I think. That was the one that Donna was wrapping the lyrics back to me on his mom, yeah, me and you. It's a nice set. That's two we can make it through as long as we stick together though the road ahead is rough. We'll carry it through forever. I know times are changing things on always what they seem, but baby, it's work is wonderful here. I have to make things better because I know love is sometimes hard to figure out, but we just know together we can make it through somehow. You're like the sun that's had so far beyond the sea, you're out of reach but trust that we were meant to be, Romeo and I fell for Juliet and the way I do, I'm about to do. If I want to make it through as a liar, I've got a hold on tight to me and you. Yeah, it's like the sequel to like stay forever for all those, you know, the first record, sequel and track. Yeah. Very similar tone. I'll play a clip of it for sure, but yeah, no, he just, he uses positivity. He seems like he's completely like a legit guy, doesn't get into any trouble. Never. Check this out. Like you hear these weird things like on that podcast, like I was saying about how open they are is that when we were talking about him being like the teen idol, he's not a guy. And also he should like host American Idol because he wasn't actual, like that when Ryan Krieffer shuts it down, they should be joy-learned stepping in those shoes and he can sing so he can answer some guests as well. That's a good idea. Yeah. Thank you. And, but on the, but when he was 16, we was like probably arguably maybe the most famous 16 year old kid in the world or at least male 16 year old, he was still sharing a room with his brother Matt, which I found fascinating. Yeah. So I mean, that's probably why they're not getting in trouble, you know, they're still got this very hardcore family values about like, I'm sure they had enough money for multiple rooms in their home, but they were still sharing just to kind of keep everybody grounded. And we thought that was, it was kind of interesting. Matthew is in a relationship with a chili from TLC. Yeah. I've heard that, man. And while I was at that chili man, yeah, pretty wild. Yeah. I love her that she's a, if you follow her Instagram, she does actually respond to people quite a bit in the comments on her posts as well. And she's very, she's very strict vegan, very much treats her body like a temple, takes care of herself. So yeah. Is that right? Yeah. She's always been in shape. She's always at that perspective. Well, that's why she's always looks like she's like, she still looks like she's in like her early 30s. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Like, yeah. She can still like where the exact same outfit you were in a waterfall video, I think. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I don't think she's, you know, if anything, she put on more muscle, I think, you know, probably, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's fascinating to hear, hear them, hear them talk about that on the podcast. So yeah, I'm glad you gave some suggestions too of different singles and deep tracks that we can check out. Yeah. Like, I'm telling you, like, this is no joke. I mean, that's probably my top five albums of all time. And, you know, I'm out of frame, you know, ashamed to say it just means a lot to me. And it always just makes me happy that album went to back. And I think it would surprise you if people are going to dig into it. It's probably like, like, I don't know, people like that kind of pop music. Like, I don't know, I put that up against anything that came out around, like, you know, 93 or that era when that record came out, I'll put it up against anything. It was strong. Mm-hmm. And it's, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And like I said, first record, the guy recorded. I mean, it's like 14 or 15. And it sounds like so mature. Like you listen to those vocals and it sounds like a 24-year-old just slaying it, you know, so one soul as well. So yeah, I hardly recommend people check it out. It's on the Spotify. And I'm sure it's on the iTunes as well, but. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And yeah, not only do they hold up, but so those are the two '90s albums. Joey Lawrence, some title debut and solo mates. Going to Wikipedia, he has two EPs, one called Imagine. That came out in 2017 and Guilty in 2022. Yeah. Imagine. That was the one I think that had the cover of Ice Ice Baby on it, that now on Spotify, it's just the single. I don't think it's no longer the EPs. I'm not sure. Okay. What happened with the rest of those tunes, unfortunately, that's, maybe it must be a right to issue or something like that with publishing. Okay. Yeah. That's very possible. Yeah. That's very possible. That's very possible. Yeah. Gotta give them all the details. Yes, I did. 2021, he had a single called Turtle. Mm-hmm. Yes. I don't know anything about it. It's New Dance. It's upbeat track. It's on the Spotify. It's on the streaming sites. Check it out. Sally, man, you, this guy will scratch you right where you itch, man. I'm telling you, you're not afraid of this style of music, judging by your posts. I'm thinking that make a deep dive into him. Absolutely. I think you'll really, really dig it. Yeah. It's going into the Spotify. Yeah. It's going to be artists hit random, man, everything. You just suck this whole career, man, daily. You've been a great guest. I've really enjoyed chatting with you, Tyler. It's been a lot really nice. Yes. Well, you've been fantastic hosts. I mean, I know that we've kind of followed each other on the social media for a number of years. In fact, we finally were able to kind of join forces here on the microphone. 100%. You'll have to come on again. Anytime. Anytime. Anytime. Absolutely. You still have that list of people, too, that I'm sure the artists list, if not, I can resend it to you. Oh, yeah. No, I still have that. Yeah. A lot of people made me smile, a lot of names on there. You have a very wide range, for sure. You definitely got your finger on the pulse of 80s and 90s. Sure. You're absolutely welcome to bring up an artist that you would like to talk about. Oh, yes. If they have this. That's not on the list. That's fine, too. Yeah, for sure. If something ever does occur to me, I definitely won't hesitate. So yeah, maybe we can reschedule in the summertime, maybe sometime in August or something, because obviously, I'll be away for a bit for the magic summer tour. I mean, Giggs, are you just going to the first show, or? So I'm going to the Chicago Detroit that I'm coming home back. And I'm in Edmonton, by the way. Where are you? I'm in Regina. Oh, right. Perfect. I've been there a couple of times. Nice. I've been in Edmonton a couple of times, as well, the WEM. Yeah. Ooh. The mall. That's right. You live here, you like avoid it, but it's really, it's a, it's the destination whenever we got there. I got to see like the little boat and one of the big boats, I should say. Boat, the water park, the galaxy land, all of it. Yeah, the rink. It's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Everything has to go there every weekend. I work close to it, actually, and I used to work in the mall. So I think that's why the thrill, the thrill that had died down a bit, but they literally just the, the municipal government just passed a law saying you can't go to West Edmonton Mall if you're 16 or under without accompaniment by an adult. Really? Because of the amount of shoplifting and like, stupid crimes and things committed by people in that age group. I was shocked because when I was that age, they encouraged us to go to the mall. Yeah. We're mall rats, man. All of us. Yeah. For sure. But anyways, what I was talking about, what was I talking about? Magic summer tour. Magic summer tour. Um, then I come home for a week. Then my buddy Jimmy and I, who's a radio, um, morning DJ here in Edmonton, I don't know if you would get his show out there because they, they're starting to syndicate it. Anyways, we're going, we're going to, um, California, so we're going to go see them in San Jose and Sacramento and then I'm a, and then I'm getting a Paula Abdul meet and greet on that trip. Oh, no way. That's awesome. I'm so excited to meet her. Yeah. That'd be cool. I never, I was a quick Paula Abdul when I was in grade eight, my buddy, Annie Lalon showed out to him if he's listening, um, he was a huge Paula Abdul fan. So I'd never not think of the two of them, you know, when I heard Paula Abdul, I never not think of him. Aww. All in. Yeah. Yeah. He was an all in a Paula Abdul, man. So I'll never not forever your girl man and brush rush and he was all into it all, man. Oh, yeah. She was fun. Mm hmm. I never, after that second record, did she just instantly stop making music after, um, after spellbound? No spellbound. Yeah. Nope. She put a third album out in 90. I want to say it was 94. Oh, okay. Yeah. Head over heels or something. It was called, I think. Oh, yeah. And to fade away, like at least to popularity and so for some reason, this bellbound was still a big record. And then I guess the same thing that happened to everybody else. The music changed. Yeah. Grunge and all that, right? Yeah. 94. Yeah. Tough time to put out a dance album. Yeah. Uh, but now I'm excited to meet her and also I'm going to be towering over her because she's pie too. Oh, wow. Yeah. I'm a tall girl. I'm five eight. Oh, thanks. Yeah, she does a lot of, um, conventions and stuff like that too, like, you know, 90s conventions and, you know, comic con that kind of thing. She's going to do more of those, which is cool. So meeting the people and all that. Very, very cool. And she's, she's kept up her jobs. She's doing good. I can't wait to see her show. Is she still singing mostly live? Do you know where she's just going to dancing? Because you know, those dancers a lot of times they focus more into dancing than the singing. I think she sings live, but I don't be able to tell when we go see her show and we get to see her because we're doing four shows. So we'll get to see. That's awesome. Yeah. That's awesome. Especially with the new kids stuff. Hopefully they have don't stick to the same one every time or they make it a little more interesting for the hard cars and, you know, you never know switch it up a little bit. Yeah. It'll be fun no matter what. We always have a good time at the new kids events. And the best part about it too is that there's a core group of friends that like go to all the shows together. So we have this group that we made during the pandemic basically online. And there's people from the Netherlands and Australia all over the USA and Canada and we all get together and go to the shows together. So it's wonderful. Have you been on a cruise with a new place? Twice. Yeah. I went last year and the year before and that was a real moment to on the 2022 cruise. I had this moment where everyone's partying on the ship and we're having fun. We're having drinks. And it just took this moment to look at everything happening around me and embrace it because I was like two years ago, this was only a dream to be able to even be around this many people. Yeah. But to have this seemed like a real celebration of the fact that we could live our lives again. Mm. Indeed. You know. And how like what is a cruise like what is their role do they just like perform one night and it's just I just don't know what I like one themed cruise has ever been on. I've never been a cruise in general a little on the theme cruise. Yeah. They're the only cruises I've ever been on. But the thing is you hear about some of the celebrity cruises and they do their show and that's about it. These guys are pretty new kids are pretty much involved in every aspect. There's events every day that they they're part of really they did like a beach Olympics. There is a concert. There's a meet and greet. There is a every night. There's a themed party and they're there for all of it and they're all in a good for them. Yeah. Yeah. How many people are at a cruise like a couple thousand almost yeah but almost three thousand thousand people on carnival it was a carnival conquest. So that's a I guess an average size ship. It's not like the massive ones are putting out now like the icon of the sea. Have you seen some of these cruise ships that are being created now? Not the new ones. Oh, just wow. Wow. Wow. They got like hopeful water parks on those things man. Insane. You wonder how things float man. I said how does not sink. Science is crazy. I know. Isn't it? Yeah, wild. But yeah, thanks so much for your time today and we'll do this again soon. I love it. Love it. Thank you for much for asking me to be on the show and then providing me a list that has joyal horns on it because I was quite thrilled to try to introduce a conveyant and make a little converse out there for his records because it's been a big part of my life both those 90s albums. So I was glad to be able to discuss them on your show, they meant a lot to me. I was not seated and I fell on grace and I think I needed was new in factuation. And I succeeded till I saw your face. My mom was saying well as fast as you can, don't forget that you have been here before. My home was working on an alternative plan. Will she make it out the door? I didn't want to fall in love tonight, I didn't even need to get myself in so tight. Wouldn't be doing this midday on us, but with you baby, I can't help myself. I can't help it. Social media, yeah, we've got it, send us an email, dopenostalgiapodcast@gmail.com. Twitter, nostalgia, dope, or on Insta, dope_nostalgia. 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