[Music] The summer of fun is over! Welcome back to Upgrade. Now for the September draft for 2024. This is episode 527 for September 2nd, 2024. This episode is brought to you by ExpressVPN and Factor. My name is Mike Hurley, and I, after pleasure, have been joined by my co-host and my combatant, Jason Snow. Hi, Jason. I love the Upgrade Marching Band is here once again, the pride of the Upgrade Podcast, the Pride of Relay. Yes, led by Drum Major Christopher Breen, it is the, what you hear them every so often, they come, they're fully dressed, they come in a bus, they get out. The Upgrade Marching Band, love to hear them, love to hear them, although it's always sad when the summer goes away. It sure is. I have a still talk question for you, Jason. So, we are drafting today because the iPhone event is next Monday, Monday is an interesting day, usually, it's next Tuesday, but it's next Monday. Are you ready for iPhone season? This question comes from me. Um, absolutely not. Okay, that's my answer. It is, it just dawned on me last week that, um, the way this works is, when the iPhone hits, lots of things happen, including the release of OS, that means that if I've got to do my OS review final, that has to be done. I need to wrap up my book about photos, which, you know, they were still adding features to photos last week. Um, and then the iPhone stuff happens, and really, that's the kickoff of what I think of as the busy season for us, where we're talking about that, and we'll probably have new Macs and maybe iPads and stuff in October. There's a lot to go on that usually kind of keeps us very busy until sometime in November, maybe, 'cause about one year where it was till the end of December. And I realized last week that, you know, I shouldn't look to September as the start because it already started last week, so the stress level is rising. Um, do I feel ready? I don't. I feel unprepared. I feel like I've got too much to do, and I feel unprepared for this draft as well. But, oh, maybe that will be too much faster. Yeah, I, it's, we'll see what happens. Or are you doing that thing where, like, if you lose, you could be like, "Well, I wasn't ready." I, I mean, no. It doesn't matter in the end, does it? I don't know. You tell me. I don't know. Pen it. Pen it's even a point. Is it conspiracy? Is it collusion? I don't know. Like, as you say, we say many times, we go from the summer of fun to the fall of content, 'cause there's a lot of it. There's going to be a lot of content coming your way over these next few weeks, so it kicks off now with the draft today. It does. I, this one, it's not, it's not, it's not a couple of me too, I would say, but I, I feel more prepared this year, just in general for this period than I did last year. Last year was a disaster for me. I think someone was what you're going through right now, so I was at least a little bit more prepared, and I am pretty excited for Monday, actually. I'm looking forward to it, so we'll see. So if you'd like to send that a snow talk question of your own, please send them in, go to upgradefeedback.com, and you can send that a snow talk to help us start a future episode of the show. September means some important stuff around these parts. It's not all iPhones. It's not all iOS's or Mac OS's or Mac OS never really happens in September. It is also the time of year where we as a community come together to raise money for St Jude Children's Research Hospital because September is childhood cancer awareness month. The relay community is coming together once again to support the lifesaving work of St Jude, and we have now collectively over the last five years. This happened last week. Basically, on a day we launched a campaign last week, we have now as a community raised over $3 million since we started this campaign in 2019, which is just an astronomical amount of money. And because of the incredible generosity of our community, relay is actually, we were very excited to announce this relay is going to be recognized on a wall inside of the hospital that highlights corporations and organizations with their exceptional fundraising efforts for St Jude. This wall is updated annually based on fundraising contributions. There's going to be a big unveiling later on in the year and we'll be sharing photos of it. So thank you all for this is all for all of us. This is like the legacy of us all as a community that we have been honored in this way by St Jude. So I think it's incredible. St Jude is incredibly important to us. One of the amazing things about St Jude. So, you know, as we said before, is a hospital and a research institution that takes care of children who have who are suffering from cancer and other life threatening diseases. But one of the great things that St Jude does is their survivorship studies. These provide a greater understanding of the long term effects of pediatric cancer treatment. And they help researchers develop new ways to minimize effect. And St. St Jude life is what it's called is a long term follow up study where St Jude patients have brought back to the hospital every five years for an assessment. It helps researchers learn about the long term health of a child and childhood cancer and its survivors so they can find ways to reduce treatment related health conditions. St Jude life is one of the only data sets in the world of the ability to comprehensively represent racial and ethnic groups that are often left out of childhood cancer survivorship. In April, scientists from St Jude Children's Research Hospital announced the St Jude survivorship portal, which is the first data portal for sharing, analyzing, visualizing pediatric cancer survivorship data. This portal is a huge big data platform that incorporates clinical and genomic information, creating an unprecedented research system. It houses 1,600 phenotypic variables. How would you say this word Jason P H E N O T I T Y P I C phenotypic, but you know that thank you variables on 400 million genetic variants from over 7,700 childhood cancer survivors that number is incredible because that is like. Do you think of how many children saved like that's this tiny portion of them and then they're able to use ice incredible. It also has half a billion clinical data points and hundreds of terabytes of genetic data, and you think, wow, this seems like a big effort. This is the great thing about St Jude that portal is free to use and open with open access as a part of St Jude cloud. So this is something they offer to people all around the world to learn from the incredible work that they do. The relay community has adopted this campaign as its own, and it's so easy for you as part of this community to get involved. If you hear things like this you hear us talking about this on our shows throughout the month. We want you to go to St Jude dot org slash relay because you can donate there and you can help support this life saving work, but you can also register to create a fundraiser of your own and you can join us in raising money for St Jude. When you sign up, you can share your fundraiser with your friends, your family, your coworkers, you can spread the word for this amazing mission, and you can increase the amount that you as an individual can help contribute towards St Jude. Those who host their own fundraisers also can earn some limited edition incentives. This year's are better than ever. You can find all the details at St Jude dot org slash relay. So please go to STJU DE dot org St Jude dot org slash relay to donate today and create your own campaign. And of course the podcast on is coming up. It's going to be on September 20th. Jason's going to be a Memphis again and we're going to be having a ton of fun. And this one is as always bigger and better than ever, and I cannot wait for you to see that and we'll have more information about it later. I want to emphasize not longer. Just be clear, bigger and better, never longer than 12 hours is what we learned. But yeah, I'm really looking forward to it. And, you know, we spend a lot of time talking about this throughout the month of September, and it is for a very, very good reason. So please go to St Jude dot org slash relay. It's time to read the rules for the draft. Oh, I'll remain seated. You should. We have 10 rounds for 20 overall picks plus a bonus round that is returning, which we'll talk about a little bit on the show. The draft this year will be split into three distinct categories. iPhone picks, Apple Watch picks and other picks. The winner of the previous draft will get first pick, and that is Jason. The items that we are drafting, so the specific things they are chosen from a predetermined list of choices that Jason and I have worked on. And we have agreed that they could be verifiable on screen as part of the presentation and not ridiculously obvious for item to count. It must either be clearly announced on stage or on a slide during the presentation. Stephen Hackett will act as a judicator in case of a scoring stalemate between the two of us. There are no partial points awarded and the points awarded on the episode of final and finalized during the scoring segment. In the case of a tie, there is a tiebreaker question. The loser gets picked off said tiebreaker question. The winner of the draft becomes draft champion and displays the champion pennant. The loser becomes draft challenger and displays the challenger pennant. Currently I am draft challenger Jason is draft champion. You will be able to play along with us next week using the wonderful interactive scorecard that is created by a friend of the show, Zach Knox. These are always available at upgrade.cards. You can buy your own draft t-shirt at upgradeyourwardrobe.com. I have some results of this year and previous September events. So the 2024 results so far. We have one draft apiece. I won the May event and Jason won WWDC. So Jason is the current winner. We have had eight total September events that we have drafted. Jason, you have won six of those. I have won two of those, but my last two, it'll last two years. So I am on a streak right now. So that's where we are to this point. Tiebreaker time? Tiebreaker time. Okay. And we got in the habit of it being me picking because I lost a bunch, but I believe I get to set the over-under this time. I'm not going to lie Jason, even though it's in the rules, I actually never remember how this part works. I know. It doesn't matter. And the way it works is very complimentary because both sides have advantages and disadvantages. The over-under is 80 minutes of runtime. You can decide, is it going to be over or under? 80 minutes. Let's say 81 minutes. I'm going to add a little flavor to it. 81 minutes. You want me to do 82? I could do 82. If I keep doing this, will you go to 150? You know, I'm going to say over 81 minutes. Okay. All right. That's good. Let me take you to know why I want to go with that. Why? Apple intelligence. Yeah. I mean, we've already seen it, but they can bring it back again. If you look at the runtimes of recent events, these streaming only events, they are all around this. Sometimes they're more like 75 minutes. Sometimes they're more like 90 minutes. It's really kind of in there. You had set the over-under at 80 minutes thinking that I was going to pick it and I was going to pick the over. But I think it, so therefore 81. But I think it varies. We don't know. Right? We just don't know. So it's a good type record. Yeah. I think, I know what you mean. They showed it. I think they're going to use this as an opportunity to show it again. I think, yeah, I would expect Apple knows more people are paying attention to the iPhone event. Exactly. You see? Everybody knows. Everybody should know. If you don't know, the iPhone event is a hugely more watched than any other Apple event of the year. And therefore, if there's any message Apple wants to get across, they can use the iPhone event as the vehicle to launch it. Yeah, we've said this many times. It is part of Goopityology. If they have a product that they want people to know about, they launch it alongside the iPhone. Yeah, exactly. Like they usually do. Apple Watch. They did it with the iPad Pro. Yeah, that is just the way that they do things. We have a bonus round. We're going to do it now. It's called the St. Jude Challenge. So we brought this in last time because one of the things that happens as part of the podcastathon is we started this last year. We're continuing this year. It is Mike versus Stephen. We will be competing in a variety of games and activities during the podcastathon and some things before and considering we have games here. Why would we not contribute points towards this? So there are going to be points in the line for this round. There is also one draft point for the winner. It will be adjudicated by upgrade scorecard keeper Zach Knox because Stephen could benefit from this so we can't trust him. Yeah, we're picked five phrases or words that could be said during the keynote. And we have 10 total points that we can bet on each of these things happening or being said. So we can place as many points as we want. Whoever gets the most points totalled wins the point for the draft. We'll also take that person's points multiplying them by 10 and add them to the St. Jude total for even me or Stephen. Does that make sense? Yeah. I'll add a little caveat here. Once we get to the end, if we want to adjust our point totals because we don't like it, then we can do that. Yeah, that's that is the sports person ship. Yes, that's right. That's right. That's how we work around here. The first phrase of which we can assign any of our 10 points to is next generation Siri. Next generation Siri. Not a phrase they've used. And yet, I don't know, they want to get across that Siri is new. I'll put a point down. You helped me significantly here because I thought that they had used that phrase and I don't think they have. Whatever they have, they haven't. We shouldn't look it up now because, you know, draft craft, but I was going to put all of my 10 points on this at one point. I decided not to do that in the sake of the game. I'm going to redefine it. What's the phrase? I think the phrase is next generation in referring to Siri. Yeah, I think that's good. I think that's good. I have one in a minute. I'm going to put two points down still though. Oh, okay. Wow. Interesting. It's different to 10. It is. Wow. All right. Good. Next. Emmy Awards. Emmy Awards. I'm going to put four four four. Okay. Apple loves their rewards. They sure do. And in July, they scored 72 nominations for the Emmys. So I'm sure they want to talk about that. They do love a good award ceremony. I'm going to say two though, because this is like, will they have, I mean, will they have what we think about that? If they don't have that segment, they're not going to talk about it. You know, like the Emmy Award winning iPhone is probably not going to come up. Maybe not. The next is RAM or memory. Okay. In relation to the iPhone. Yes. So, and I want to state this now for like, we have lots of potential picks that we can make that say RAM. But again, if they say memory, that's fine. I think that's also fine because we know what that means. Yes. They're not going to refer to the storage as memory, right? Because they're not going to do that there. Much more technical than that. But they might think that memory is a much more friendly phrase. And that's fine. Yep. Yep. So how many points are you going to assign for RAM? Let's, I again, reserve the right to change this later. I'm going to say zero. Oh, okay. I would say three. Okay. I mean, they haven't before, but Apple intelligence would be a reason to do it. And talking about the phones would be a reason to do it. Let's put a pen in that. Okay. In that conversation for later on in the episode. Google Gemini. Yeah. Okay. I threw this in here because I think the question is, will they have an announcement. Of another, like at WWC, they actually even mentioned Google Gemini as a possible thing. But we've, we've heard no reports of Apple and Google's negotiations about potentially bringing Google Gemini as a feed into Apple intelligence, just as chat GPT is. I do wonder if we will hear Apple mentioned Google Gemini, even if it's as a for example, but that would require a level of formality that I think is pretty. Powerful. And I'm for now again, we'll get to the end and I'll see what I'm thinking here. But for now, I'm going to say zero. I'm going to say three. All right. All right. You're you're thinking there's a real possibility. I think there's a possibility of a deal being done. Yeah, I do. It goes back to reporting from a lot earlier in the year, right, that Apple were trying to make this work. And Craig Federighy kept talking about them. And the rumors were that it would be before the end of the year. They would do it. And I actually think it would behoove them to have another partner. Oh, I agree. Before they launch it, I think. I agree. Maybe it will be somebody else, right? Maybe it will be Claude. Maybe it'll be something else. I don't know. But I. It would be a good time to have it. Yeah, it would be a good time. Yeah, I do think that the event that Google's event where they show up to pixels, they spent so much time showing off other phones using Gemini that this Google has a couple of things going on. One of them is they need to show that they are the future of search. Yeah. I think Gemini for them is a part of that. And I think it would be very beneficial for them to be on the iPhone. And to the iPhone. In our WWDC episode, we talked about how having chat GPT as a partner for Apple sort of made sense because their competitor in the smartphone landscape, Google has Gemini, has its own AI system. And that chat GPT open AI, like they don't have their own operating system. They don't have that advantage. They've got like their deal with Microsoft for Windows, but on a phone, they don't have that. And so a deal with Apple, especially a deal where like no money is changing hands and they're just providing it to Apple and all of that. Like I can see the reasons for that. It would be quite a coup for Google to say we are on all smartphones, right? Like that would be really good. And Google like Google and Apple have relationships. It would actually kind of make sense. And Apple is obviously approaching this as, you know, like a search engine, except even without maybe the connotations of the default search engine issues that they're having, the idea of like we don't care. Use your chat, use whatever chat bot source you want. And so if they have Gemini in there, I think that that makes them feel good because they're like we had Gemini, we had chat GPT, we got all the great ones. Pick your poison, whatever. And so it's good for Google. It's good for Apple. I would say, yeah, it's bad for open AI because now their arch rival is on both smartphone platforms and that's harder for them. But, you know, too bad, right? So I think the real question is, has this deal been done? If they've done a deal and they've kept it quiet, if they've done the deal and they want to announce it, this is the perfect place to do it, right? Which is to say, not only all of this, but by the end of the year, not only chat GPT, but also Google Jim and I will be on the iPhone. But, you know, did they? Will they? The reason that I'm confident this will happen at least at some point is it is very strange for an executive at Apple to say they want something publicly. They know, right? Yeah. They mentioned that that is weird. Yes. They were not quite specifically. And they say a list of things, right? It's not like he listed all of the popular. He just said Google Gemini. So it was part of the talk show. So it would be very strange, I think, for them to say it, if they didn't want it. And if they want it, why would Google not do it? Like realistically, why would Google not do it? And so I think there is a strong possibility that it will happen, but not 10 points strong. Sure. Right. The last phrase. Blow away. Blow away. Everybody's favorite. I hate it. I hate it too. Yeah. I hate it. They used it last year. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think so. Hmm. Sorry. I'm saying, well, I have five points left. So I guess they go here. Oh, really? I'm saying I'm like, we're at the end now. So we can we can rejigger if we want to here. Yeah, I feel I feel happy with mine. I feel happy with mine. Um, I'm going to, I'm going to put blow away down to four and take next generation up to two and that's I'll leave them where they are. So I'll just give a rundown of that. Next generation in referring to Siri, Jason's put two points. I've put two points, Emmy awards. Just basically, this is a reference of Emmys. Like if Emmys are mentioned, Jason gets two points. I get two. Uh, ram or memory and referring to the iPhone, Jason has zero points. I have three Google Gemini. Jason has zero. I have three and blow away. Jason has four. I have zero. I like that there are some significant differences in here. So it could create some for some fun moments while we're watching. And this will be one, especially, uh, that we want you to help with. So, you know, once I've watched the event, share your scorecards of us in discord and on social media was this one. I remember being particularly difficult to keep track of really hard. We need the community to, to, to mark these off because we don't necessarily hear every word. And remember, you can find the scorecard of your own by going to upgrade dot cards where you can see that. This episode is brought to you by Express VPN. How did you choose which internet service provider to use? The sad thing is, many people don't really have a choice. 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So we turn our attention to everybody's favorite, the iPhone. Jason, what is your first round iPhone pick? With the first pick in the Apple event draft, I choose faster A series chips introduced. Very good, very good. Will there be new chips? Oh yes, there will be. Why would there not be? There has to be. It's almost obvious, I should have almost even lined it out, but it's okay, faster. Some of these are, you gotta get on the phone. No, no, no, no. All right, so here's the thing. There has to be, it doesn't mean they will do it, right? So like, I believe there has to be, you believe there has to be, especially because the iPhone 16 cannot run Apple Intelligence. However, for all we know, they're going to say Apple Intelligence is a pro feature only. We don't, look, the likelihood of that near zero. And we're not updating our chips. They could do it, right? They could do it. But we know that they've got the pro phones on the three nanometer process they're trying to get off of, which presumably means there will be a new chip generation announced. And to answer the question, what if there's only one chip and not two chips, that's not what this pick is. This pick is that there will be a faster A series chip. Yeah. It makes sense, right, that they will do this for obvious reasons. I think they should get them all up, right? So they can better support the features they didn't know they were going to be introducing, I think, when they when they created the chip that's in the 15 pro. Yeah. Is it the 17 pro A17 pros at that chip? Is that what it's called? Ooh, I'm really bad at that. I'm really bad at that. I'm not bionic. Yeah, that's it. I know it's a pro. A17 pro. I'm really bad at the numbers of the chips. I wish the numbers of the chips matched the phones, at least. I know. And the OS. They should all the numbers were the same. It should be the year number, right? We said that before Samsung, they worked it out, right? S24 or whatever like that is perfect. Yep. They know. Yeah. Okay. This is good. I reckon they'll do it. I think that's my second pick. And then I realized it should have been my first pick, but I wouldn't have had it anyway. My first round pick is that the it's actually a thing I can't believe is happening. But all of the rumors are pointing to it happening. The pro phones will be getting larger screens. Oh, pro phones getting larger screens. Interesting. So the all of the case leaks. Mm hmm. And a lot of the rumors point towards the pro phones are getting bigger, like physically bigger, which I'm not thrilled about. Cause that means they will get heavier again, like a little bit. Right. And I don't really want that to happen. Neither do I. This is coming from me. Neither do I actually want my screen to get any bigger than it currently is. Hmm. Yes. Would you like some? Would you like some breaking news, Jason, from me? I would. I was going to share this if you're here. I'm thinking about getting the smaller pro phone. What? I know. I need to think about it, but I think I'm going to do it. Why? What? Why? It's a two prong thing for me. Everybody remember that time when Mike just completely lost it during a draft one time? Look, what's going on? I, I've been thinking about it because I want us, I want to work on my phone less. Hmm. And so a smaller phone will force me to do that, I think. Right. Well, like, if I want to do something that look at a spreadsheet, I need to get a bigger screen, and then I can decide if I want to do that in that moment. I also, Adina has the smaller pro phone, and I was like playing around with this weekend to try and get the feel of it. It feels so good. And like I could do everything with one hand. Yeah. And so yeah, also with the phone, I think I don't think I really want the bigger. So I'm thinking about getting a smaller one. It's like, I want to work less on my phone, but I still want to have the features that I want this year. It seems like a lot of the features will be matched up. So considering it, that is a very good feeling phone, which will also be getting a little bit bigger anyway. And if it's going to get heavier, I also don't really want that. I'm willing to give it a try because, yeah, my thinking is the worst that happens is I get the smaller phone and use it for a few months and then sell it by the big one. Like, that's the worst that could happen. And then I'll lose a couple hundred dollars or whatever. You're bargaining now. I'm going to say, I'm thinking about it. It's not done. Seriously. It's not done yet. It's not done yet. We'll see. Wow. Wow. It's also a function of how much I use my iPad. I'm like turning into you a little bit. Okay. Good. So we'll see. You're growing. Mm hmm. All right. My next pick is that the capture button is introduced. I've done it. You know, it sucks to pick second. It was like, it really sucks to pick second. It does. It does. It does. I don't know why we're giving the advantage to the person who won the last time instead of the person who lost the last time. Jason, it's been a really long time for me. Mm hmm. You're picking all my picks. I know. It's like if you make a basket and then you get the ball back. Right? It's not. Yeah. Really fair. Mm hmm. It's very, very much rumored. I thought you were going to pick this when you said I kind of don't believe it, but I'm going to pick it because this is how I feel about the capture button. The idea here is that it's rumored so strongly that I think it must exist. And I kind of like the idea after they already added the action button to add a capture button seems kind of wild, but a lot of our arguments for the action button actually go even better for the capture button, which is it's a dedicated photography feature. Physical feature on the phone that lets you use your phone more like a camera when you're using your phone like a camera, which is all the time. So the idea that they would do that and they'd have a button completely dedicated to taking pictures, it makes sense. I remember when Apple didn't like buttons, but apparently Apple was back on the button train, so capture button is introduced. I would dig this button, especially if it is what is rumored, right, that you would press it, it opens the camera, you can lightly press it to focus, press it harder to take the photo, and you'll be able to swipe on it to do something, whatever that might be. Yeah, change modes or whatever modes. I think for me, I would love that, and I would especially love it because it would mean that I could remove the camera icon from my home screen, because I know that's a thing in iOS 18, but I don't think I would want to do it because I use that button. But I would use the physical quote unquote physical button, passive button that would be on the phone, that's what I would more likely use because it's like dedicated for that. I think it's a good idea, honestly, and it's, but it's one of these things where it's like, why now? I know it's weird. Well, I think, okay, here's my overarching theory, and we'll talk about this more next week undoubtedly, but I think some of these features that we think that's kind of weird. Why a capture button, or why an action button, all of that. I think one of the reasons is because Apple knows that this is the fifth year of basically the same design. And so they're really motivated late in a design cycle, because they're rumors that there's going to be a dramatically redesigned at least one model next year. This is the kind of stuff you do, right? You add a lot of flair, you add a lot of bits. If you've got a new chip that's nice, if you've got Apple, you've got some software like Apple intelligence, you throw that in there. Maybe you, that person who's been saying, we should have a dedicated camera button for like 10 years. Finally, you're like, you know, Jimmy, this or you get your camera button. The dedicated camera button is the third party keyboards of the iPhone hardware. A little bit. Because we got a little point and they were like, yeah, you could just do third party keyboards now. Why? Because the person who has been arguing this for the last five years finally got what they wanted. We ran out of... Yeah, exactly. And in the case of the iPhone design right now, let's be serious. They kind of run out of things they can do with it. It is, I mean, again, I don't love the discourse of like, oh, the iPhone is boring now. But yeah, I mean, smartphones aren't like they were in the early days. And this is the length of a design generation is much longer. And at the end of it, you start iterating around the edges and trying to find ways to make it different and interesting. So people want to buy your product. And those arguments that maybe in year one or year two are like, we don't need to do that. We have a brand new phone design. We're fine. When you're in year five, you're like, yeah, maybe so. Maybe we should do that. You know, the thing to remember is like, we're maybe on the verge of like the iPhone 17 slim, right? And exactly the year after that, they use that idea to fold. Like, that's what you do. Exactly. You have to go wild with it and they can't do that with the iPhone. Like the standard iPhone, they can't do that. To be clear, I think this is a good idea. I raved about this idea with the action button to the idea that you have a physical thing on your phone that does a thing in software. Because when we had cameras, like dedicated cameras and people who still use them, like, there are buttons on them to do things like the shutter. I mean, all of us see it, even if we're really great at it and we know what volume button will run the shutter and all of that stuff. Like, people out in the world struggle with touchscreen controls in bright light on their phone when they're trying to hold it steady and get the right shot and then also touch the touchscreen control to take a picture. And if you can make it physically easier and everybody just knows that there's an easy way to take a picture, it's better. Like, bottom line, it's better. So I do think this is a smart feature. I think if it's got multiple modes, then it's extra smart. So, like, yeah, let's bring it on. It's just, it's just seems weird to me because remember, there was a time when Apple was like, no, no, no, the goal is no buttons. And now we got every year they're adding a button to this thing. The iPhone 25 would be just buttons. It's all buttons. The entire rails buttons. It's all buttons. Yeah, it's all buttons all around it. That's how you attach the cases, actually. You just push the buttons through the holes and you just button it up. Yes. The iPhone 5C case, all buttons and those holes, all buttons. Oops, all buttons. Oops, all buttons, exactly. The new case thing, people are like, what's going to happen with fine woven? The answer is, it's being replaced with a sweater, the iPhone sweater. It's knitted and you button it up. And it's lovely. It's like the iPhone sock is back. There are those cases where it's like bubble wrap, right, where they're like the little Bob. You've seen those? It looks like bubble wrap. You just push all the buttons. My second round pick is that the five times zoom will be on both pro models. Okay. All right, this is a good pick because I think we all think, and as somebody with the smaller phone, I think having the tetra prism thing come to the smaller phone is a great step forward. Yeah. My only question for you is, but what if they increase the zoom on the big model? Well, you know, we could call it tetra prism zoom. I don't know, but I'm going to stick it up five. We're just going to stick it. Yeah. Let's live a little. On both. I think it's the most likely scenario is that they don't upgrade the zoom on the bigger model. They just bring the smaller model in line. It would have been a lot, I think, for them to do a year on year improvement of that lens style. Yeah, I know. I know. I'm kind of unnecessarily, I think, to go further. Yeah. All right. I mean, it's like, okay, so, you know, I get these review units. I was going around Memphis and zooming in last year during the, when we were there for the podcast. I'm zooming on stuff. That, that, that pro max model is, that's amazing. I would love to have that zoom on my camera. Yeah. On the smaller model. And maybe you're, maybe you're model too. My day. Maybe. If it's the one I go for. Maybe. Round three. Okay. I'm going back to the capture button again, because we had two capture button picks. So I'm just going to double up on capture button. Capture button has multiple functions. So for example, press strength, swiping, those things we talked about, the idea that not only does it bring up the camera or take a picture, but if you do a certain gesture, it will do a focus or it will change modes. So it's more than just, you know, whether it's a swipe or a tap or a pressure sensitivity, that there will be an additional function. It's not going to just be a call up the camera button. My pick is something that I have, honestly, I really desperately want them to do ultra wide lens improvements, ultra wide lens improvements. Now, I was thinking about taking this one, and my question for you is, what do you mean by this? Because there's like changes to the lens. There's changes to the sensor, right? There's a rumor about that the actual ultra wide camera will get upgraded to 48. Yeah, that is what I mean. That's what I mean. Okay. So maybe we can score ultra wide camera. Ultra wide camera improvements. Great. Now what motivates you here? So I have been very disappointed with a lot of photos that my iPhone 15 takes. And it's because with the 48 megapixel wide angle lens they put in, the focal distance on it is such that photos that you take of something close to you, it typically moves into the macro mode automatically and uses the ultra wide lens to take that photo. And so I find the majority of my photos to be not good, honestly, the colors are not good. And literally downgrading you, right? Because the, the ultra wide is a downgrade. So you're, you're taking with the best camera and then suddenly you're not taking with the best camera. And I would say probably the majority of photos that I take in my life are things that are closer to me and so I have been like, so I think that's what I said about the zoom, then. Yeah. Well, no, look, I like the zoom as a utility to have, right? But you take a lot of pictures that end up forced into macro mode, I get it. I took a picture of a piece of paper today, like just a white piece of paper and it came out gray. And it's like, this, I don't understand what they're doing with the, and so I actually then open halide because they have that new feature called process zero where like removes all the processing, took the picture with that and edited it a little bit to bring up the color because it's a little bit, uh, desaturated, it looked so much better for what I wanted out of that. So, because the piece of paper looked like a white piece of paper, it didn't look like a piece of paper with a big gray splodge in the middle, which is what the default camera app made it look like. So I am very hopeful for the rumors because I'm basically picking something I want, which is that they're going to put the rumors, they're going to put the same 40 megapixel sensor in the ultra wide. And what I'm hoping is that that will increase the quality of images that are closer to me again. Because the thing is, yes, you can turn off the quote unquote macro mode when it switches on. But then you don't get good. Then things are out of focus. Like, I think it was a bit of a, I think the guy from camera has been degraded. That's my kind of feeling after a year of the 15, that for the majority of things that I'm taking pictures of, it's worse than before. So I'm hoping to improve. Yeah, that's good. I think continuity camera uses the ultra wide as well. And I was like, you know, if it was better, you could zoom in more. Yep. It was 48. You could zoom in more. Yep. And it would look better for continuity camera, which would be nice. You know, that continuity camera feature where you can go in and like it on the Mac and you can like move things and zoom in and out. That's so good. It's so good. Mm hmm. Big fan of that. All right. With my next pick, I am going to pick apple intelligence is an iPhone feature. We put it in the iPhone feature. I think it counts. That's what everybody cares about about the new iPhone is going to be apple intelligence. Apple intelligence features are given a date more specific than this fall. Right now, apple intelligence is coming this fall and I think if they're trying to close the deal on people buying an iPhone, I think they need to say it's coming in October. It's coming in November. So I'm going to put a chip down here because they could just shine us all on and be like, Oh, later this fall, later this year, but I'm going to say they're going to feel the need to be a little more specific. So honestly, it's in beta right now. And it's not perfect, but they could totally ship it, which makes me feel like saying by the end of October or in October or early November and putting a stake in the ground. So you go out and buy an iPhone because it's just next month, just next month, the AI features will be there. And the longer and they, the longer the date is away and the bigger they are about that date, I think the weaker their presentation is. So that would be my argument. If I was inside an apple, that would be my argument to be like, we need to be specific about apple intelligence as specific as possible, because otherwise you are selling a phone where its most interesting feature doesn't exist and will not exist for an unknown amount of time. So yeah, I, that's, that's what I'm thinking here. Yeah, I'm going to double down on this one with you and say that if they don't give a more specific date window, the presentation's a bit of a failure, honestly. The only angle that I would say they could do instead of this would literally be to launch a public beta of 18.1 and say apple intelligence will be better available later this year to everyone or later this fall to everyone, but you, but it's in public beta now. So you can just go get it if you want it before then. They could try to play that game, but I don't, I wouldn't recommend it. If they do that, does that score you? Um, no, I don't think so. If they play the beta game, I don't think so. I think they need to actually say when this thing is shipped. When is it out? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If I agree with minimum, they need to do that. But I actually, they need to, if look, the reason they're going to spend so much time talking about this being the perfect phone for apple intelligence, because like, I was looking something up today, uh, on the MacBook on the MacBook Pro product page, right? If you go to the MacBook Pro product page right now, the very, if it was on one of the pages somewhere, it said, I hear you go to the buy, right? Go to MacBook Pro, click buy, it says built for apple intelligence. Yeah. Like, it really wasn't like it genuinely was not, but like this iPhone is the closest to being that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So they have to say when it's available, I'm going to give a little more, uh, here about my pick, which I'm going to say, if they pitch it as you can just opt into a beta of apple intelligence on device and say when or say that that's available now, right? I, I think that that's what I'm saying here, because that's the, I guess that's the other way they could do this is they could basically like be sneaky and say, well, apple intelligence is a beta and you opt into it and it gets installed and all of that. That's always going to be the case. If it's not joined the public beta, but it's more like apple intelligence beta is available on phones. Um, but we'll see. We'll see. I'm willing to be open, but I'm not saying is the beta does make it a pick because they're going to launch this in beta, like that's because they'll be silly not to, but that is different to join the beta program. Yeah. I was 18 beta program. It's yes. I would argue that's the weak fallback is, but you know, it's not available for a while, but you could be in the public beta if you wanted is not a great. Yeah. Look. Essentially, maybe an easier way to say this is like they say when I was 18.1 is coming out, right? Like that's actually what we're looking for. Right? Like, I guess maybe, I don't know, uh, okay, we'll get it. Sure. But my, uh, fourth round pick is that there will be vertical camera lenses on the iPhone 16. Ah, oh, yes. Right. So this is the, the, the camp, you're going back to your case contacts. Yes. Case. An analyzing up and analyzing some image. The idea. So for people who don't understand this, there was a time not too long ago where instead of a big square camera terrace on the back of your iPhone, there were two little cameras in a little vertical kind of like rectangle and, um, the rumor is that the iPhone 16 is going to be like that, that the, the flash is going to be flush with the case, flash flush outside of the little bump and the bump will just be the two cameras on the iPhone 16. And so it'll be smaller and vertical. I think it would look nicer. Yeah. And then also capable of, of shooting in stereo. Yeah. So there's a little, I actually feel that's a simple thing is when they and probably initially designed this phone, but that's a conversation for another day, maybe. Yeah. But I think, again, like there will be a bunch of things that are doing to these phones to try and do the, Hey, look at me, I'm no, um, like there were rumors of the, uh, the frames going shiny again, rather than Matt on the pro phones, uh, and they do new colors, right? And this will be another of those on the regular iPhone. The back of the phone is going to look different. So indicating that it is the new phone, so I think that I think we're likely to see that. What is your final pick in the iPhone round? Well, Mike, I'm out of the good picks now. Okay. Now I'm struggling with things that I don't really believe, like none of them do I really believe. Mm hmm. Not very Ted Lasso, like, um, I know it's not, I need a, I need a pep talk from, from Ted Lasso, which we might not get to this, by the way, actually, but like apparently Ted Lasso might be coming back. Yeah. Yeah. That's going to happen. Yeah. The money truck apparently has arrived at Jason Sudeikas's house and so, um, they can proceed with casting for a season four of Ted Lasso or a spin off or whatever, something, continuation of the Ted Lasso expanded universe. Okay. Oh boy, um, let's, I'm going to just, I'm sorry, this is so boring. I'm going to go with increased screen brightness on an iPhone. All right. That one of the screens they claim is brighter than it was last year. All right. Don't love it valid, but I think they do it, right? Just say the screen is brighter and it might be, I don't know which model, but like one of the models will be like, oh, it's brighter. So I have the final pick, which means I have the ability to talk aloud, uh, my shortlist. And really I feel like in general, uh, what I'm trying to do here is I'm going, I'm not just going for the way I'm going for glory. So I'm picking things that aren't boring. I think, um, and I have two things that I'm, I'm, I'm trying to settle on one is Apple mentions ram increases for the iPhone line. Yeah. The other is Apple mentions some Apple intelligence features that are not coming to, uh, the iPhone 16. So like that there are specific features. Like pro features. Yeah. Yeah. The other two that I'm circling around and like, let me talk about the ram thing for a minute because I know it's like, when we mentioned it earlier, people in the discord that was like, oh, wait, they're going to do it. I, they've never done this before, right? They have never spoken about ram in an iPhone before, but now it matters. And it matters to people that are paying attention, like you need ram now for AI. I imagine this could be the first time where they talk about increasing it or they talk about how much that there is because I think it's going to be a story of all of their product as a way to show commitment to AI. Yes. So I can see it happening. I can see them not doing it, but I can see that this might be, if you're ever going to talk about memory in an iPhone, now is the time right now. I would never, ever have picked this before, right? Like there is, there is no drafting history where I would have even just thought about it. They don't even, I mean, for years, they didn't even mention it on their tech specs. They do now, I think, but like for years, they didn't even do it there because they don't, they want you to think of an iPhone as a, a, just a, a specless device. It's literally just the model is all you need to know, what model did you get and storage is part of it, right? Cause they want to upsell you on storage, but computer specs like ram and processor speed and stuff like that, they, they don't want to talk about unless it serves them though. And this is my counter argument is, I mean, CPU cores and GPU cores are pretty nerdy too. And they do talk about them when they can boast about it. So the story now, maybe they boast about the memory now. Yeah. I don't know. Feeds and feeds weren't important until they were out in phones, but now they're important. Like AI has made it important and you're right. They spend way too much time during the iPhone presentation talking about how many GPU cores they have and the size of their neural engine, right? Exactly. You know, I'm picking it. So talk me into it, Apple mentions RAM or memory increases for the iPhone line. Okay. Sounds good. Look, are they going to do it? I don't know. But if they do, I feel really good about making this pick because I genuinely think we're, we're, we have the potential for this to happen. And it would be, I think pretty monumental if they actually do it. So I think it'd be fun. No, I think, I think this is a more likely scenario than the other one you were going to pick because. Yeah. And we can talk about this more, maybe an upgrade plus when we often talk about things we didn't pick. But I'll just say here, the impression I get about Apple and Apple intelligence is, you know, usually when there's an iOS announcement, they hold stuff back, right? They hold stuff back for the new phone. And so you would think you would say, Oh, obviously they've held some stuff back. Some Apple intelligence stuff that they're going to spring on us for the new phones. Obviously, well, I don't think that's the case because I think that they shoveled everything they possibly could into the Apple intelligence announcement in order to make it look impressive. And that that's all they've got. That's my opinion. My opinion is there's no surprise. It will be interesting to see what happens, but my opinion is there's no surprise coming because this is all they got. And that's it. We've seen more than they're going to put in the OS, maybe before the BBC next year. Yeah. So that's a very good point, right? Like, they would love to have some stuff that was just for the. What I was thinking more, like, I agree with you, what I was thinking more is like there was going to be some feature we'd seen that is only in the pros, but I think that is going to be a treasure for I can't see that because they've already said that that'll work with the 15 pro. So we'd have to work with the 15 pro but and the 16 pro, but not the 16 stands, which is that there's too many, like, dot, too many circles in that Venn diagram, right? Yeah. To make that work. Yeah. Which iPhone is right for you? Hey, doesn't have this feature. They do. It's not like they don't do things like this, right? Like software features that could run, like, we'll remember stage manager. Yeah. My feeling is Apple intelligence is one too important for the company and two too early for them to be withholding portions of it. I think they, the message they want to give is whatever new iPhone you buy this fall, you get Apple intelligence. And in fact, I am going to predict, not a draft pick, but I'm going to predict that because they've got this whole private cloud compute thing that they're doing that for a little while here, you're going to be able to do everything that does Apple intelligence on all the devices that are compatible with it because what they'll probably do is start having things, the way compatibility will work is there'll be some devices that are really fast that can execute on device. And then there are other devices that aren't capable and it'll execute in the cloud. And so the differentiation won't be, you can't do it. It'll be, it's slower because we have to go to the cloud. Yeah. So I think, you know, that's my guess about how they're viewing Apple intelligence is. It's a brand. If you're in, you're in, we're not going to tell you that Apple intelligence for some, but not for others, it's like your inner, you're out with Apple intelligence. That's my guess about how they'll do it. Yeah. I think a lot of the like M1 and two devices, the max and iPads, they're probably going to be relying on the cloud a little bit more than some of the more modern devices. Yeah. Because they are also pretty much always connected, right? Because they're usually a home, those devices. Right. Although I would, I would say a lot of those devices are way more powerful than iPhones. So I don't know. The one max. Surely. Yeah. I mean, M1 max are pretty good, but you're right. That's going to be one of depends on the memory too. We'll see. We'll see how they handle it. They will just have the opportunity to offload that stuff more if they want to. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe. This episode is brought to you by Factor. Those warm sunny days, we've had them, they're coming to an end, but you can still get ready for the fall and fuel up with factors, no prep, no mess meals. 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I don't entirely understand these watches getting bigger, but you know, if we want to be specific and Apple Watch gets a larger screen, I don't know if it'll necessarily be all models, like ultra is not going to get bigger, probably, but like, it's going to get bigger. You know, they're going to get bigger. That's fine. That's right. Again, gentlemen like, yes, Apple Watch gets larger screen. This is going to be interesting this one. So my wife, you know, my wife, she loves her Apple Watch. I know your wife. Yeah. She's tiny. She's tiny. She's a very small person. And she, I think she cares more about upgrading her Apple Watch and her phone, like she finds great value in it. And I just don't know what it's going to be like. Now, this is a pick that can come up, may come up. They are apparently going to be getting thinner. And I wonder if larger, but thinner will still feel good in its own way, right? That's that maybe it will, it will bounce out, but I mean, you, you've bought some watches. I only have a small, a small number of watches. I have my dad's Rolex and I have Apple watches and that's about it. But I was hearing Marco Arment talk about this a little bit on ATP. And he said, he said that he thinks for most people, the fear of size is a little overstated. Not only style style, more like that, but that, that when you actually think, oh, it's going to be huge, you know, it's much larger. And then you see that the smaller model is a little bit bigger, but actually on the wrist, it's not that big a deal. But it's all the details. Like you said, is it thinner? What, you know, what's going on here to give it this new dimension and is it unpleasant or not? But I think Adina will be a great test, right? Because she is a very small person and once a small, you know, I still, I still believe that Casey Liss is, is not a small person and needs to get a bigger watch, but I believe that aside, he should absolutely, but Adina is a small person. So I can't wait to see what, you know, what she thinks of this, because I, the rumors out there of these size increases, you and I have both been kind of baffled because it's like, who's asking for a much larger Apple watch and, and for the people who prefer the smaller watch? Like what is Apple's, Apple does the market research? We don't do that, right? Apple seems to have some confidence if this rumor is true that people are going to like these watches. That'll be an interesting thing to hear them pitch. Um, so to agree with Marco, which I do, like the fashion of watches is actually watches are bigger for, for in the small size and the big size, you know, like what will be considered small and big for, for people, you know, watch sizes tend to be bigger than Apple watches. The thing is that Apple watches are so much thicker and like, so that's why I think maybe if they made them thinner, it would, it would work maybe. I'm just, I'm really intrigued. I mean, it's fine for me. I wear an Apple. It doesn't bother me. I like the big screen, the thickness, whatever, like, so I am, I'm really intrigued to see what they do with that and how they message it and like what the, what the reason is. Right? Like that's, like what, why, you know, so it's going to be really interesting. I'm going to make, uh, uh, my first round pick to be a new watch face. I think it will go along with the fact that these watches are getting bigger, that they'll be like, we have this new watch face for you. Hmm. It's never a bad idea to pick a new watch face because they, because they like, they tend to do something that enables them to make a new face, right? They just happens a lot. If they make any kind of hardware change to the watches, whether it's something inside or outside, they have a new watch face that they, that takes advantage of it. Like even when the screens went kind of like, they got a bit bigger and went over the sides. They had that watch face that was like, it was dripping over the side, right? Like, they, they do this kind of stuff a lot. So I think if they, I think that your first round pick is actually my first round pick too, I think it's going to happen. And I think if they do do that, they will have a new watch face that goes along with it. Well, I'm playing a win. So I'm doubling down. Yep. Apple watches are a new physical size. Oh, the screens, the screens are bigger. The watches are bigger, which if well, they're not going to make them bigger about making the screens bigger, but they could make the screens bigger about making the watches bigger. I don't think they could do that, but they could do that. They could do that. And also new physical size, if they just got thinner, that would actually count too. But we'll see. New size. New size apple watch. Okay. That's an interesting interpretation of those woods, but. Physical size. Yeah. But I don't think that's the case. I think that they're going to get bigger. I'm going to, I'm just putting all in on that weird rumor that they're bigger this year. We'll see. Well, all that weird rumor, which is mostly from Mark Gurman, whose apple wide sources are terrible, but you know, apple watch picks are hard. So there we go. That's, that's what I'm doing. All right. So I'm basically my thing here is do I say, do I double down on this and say they're going to get thinner, or do I pick one of the other models just receiving any kind of update? Right. That's the thing that I'm, and like for me, the SC is the one that needs an update. Yes. But. The Ultra is maybe the one that was likely to update because they've done it twice. Yeah. And the Ultra, they're going to want to be up to date with the new processor if they put one in. Which I think they're due to do that maybe always hard to say with apple watch. I don't remember. I don't remember if they put a new processor in the last one. I think they did. Didn't they? There were some features that are only on the Ultra 2 because of the new processor. I don't like your therapist now, right, where I'm just going to turn all the questions back to you. I'm not going to get it. That is a good question. You've got to play to win. I'm going to say that the, I don't want to say that apple watch isn't getting it thinner because it's a lot of like, we're like quadrupling down on that point. Yes. They're being a new watch. I'm going to say the apple watch SE is updated. All right. And what it, what it updated to, we will leave as a mystery, but it's a mystery for Monday. That's a classic Monday mystery. But that is a, that's a good pick. I mean, I think it seems like it's the time now we've been bitten by this before. Yep. But, but it seems like it's the time. That's a good, that's an exciting pick. I think apple watch ultra is updated, would have been a more likely, but also super boring pick. Yeah. Because it seems like they'll probably be an ultra three. What will be new in it, I don't know, something so that they can call it ultra three, but maybe not. Who knows? Yeah. I'm going to, I do think they will do it, but they could skip it. They could. But I think the, the app watch SE most needs the update. So I'm going to, I'm going to stick with that. And our final round is other picks, other, oh God, other, other, other, other, this includes like we've got in here, iPads, we've got max, we've got some stage craft, which we have less of this time, because a lot of that was becoming too obvious, which I did include a lot of it. Rainbow stage. Yeah. Probably going to be there. Yeah. I think at this point, the rainbow stage has become obvious. You know, you can see it from, from the sky, every time I fly into San Francisco airport, we go right past Apple Park and literally see the rainbow stage in the center of Apple Park. It's just right there. Yeah, it's great. New AirPods. That's my check. New AirPods. A new AirPod model is unveiled if you want to put it that way. Mm hmm. New AirPods. Okay. The way, the way I intended this when I put this in the, just, just like this replaces what's currently AirPods 2. That's what new. They are AirPods. Right. Well, what I'm not saying is new AirPods Pro. I'm saying new AirPods, but what I'm also not picking is the item in our document, which is new entry level AirPods because it's always dangerous to pick to pick entry level of anything with Apple because new entry level doesn't usually happen instead. It's old becomes entry level, right? So, but yeah, I'm thinking that's exactly right. Not new AirPods Pro. New AirPods. So, this will be AirPods in some form. So, this will be AirPods in some form. In some form. So, this will be AirPods in some form. So, this will be AirPods in some form. So, this will be AirPods in some form. So, this will be AirPods in some form. So, this will be AirPods in some form. So, this will be AirPods in some form. So, this will be AirPods in some form. So, this will be AirPods in some form. So, this will be AirPods in some form. So, this will be AirPods in some form. So, this will be AirPods in some form. So, this will be AirPods in some form. So, this will be AirPods in some form. The lower level of AirPods, there's going to be change down there. So, that as a separate pick from new AirPods. Yeah. Okay. So, but this is what, so the way I had intended this when I wrote this in a document is. Got it. If they, if all they did was replace the AirPods second generation, that's not your pick. Right? It's like I was trying to, trying to put these things in and how they are cool. My, my pick is basically there's new air, there's, they're going to be new AirPods at the event. Right. There'll be a new model of AirPods at the event. It's sort of how I was viewing it. The presence of a new AirPods model of some sort at the event without any other details. All right. Let's get rid of the entry level pick now because I think we're talking across each other and it's not going to be helpful. We'll just don't pick up. I'm going to say specific iOS or iPadOS release day set. Yep. That's good. That was my other choice here. So they're going to say iOS comes out Friday, iOS comes out Thursday, iOS comes out next Tuesday, whatever it is. Um, yep. I mean, the only question is always like, is that a specific thing that they need to say in the presentation or not, there's, it's that stagecraft thing, right? Mm hmm. Which is, do you mention it or does it just show up on the website later? I think that's always the question. Yep. With release days. Sometimes it does, sometimes it does. Sometimes it does. Sometimes it does. Sometimes it doesn't. Well, I'm just going to counter you and say, yeah, you know what? They've been doing the last, uh, last a year and they're going to keep doing it is, uh, macOS too. macOS will be part of that too. Oh, really? Yeah. Wait, did I do that in September? Not in the October event. Last year? Wow. Last year they dropped macOS at the same time. Huh. That'd be nice. Yeah. Well, it's better than making Mac users wait a month for the new features that are already like two or emoji reactions or whatever. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That would be lovely. No, I think macOS is, is done. I think they're both, they're all done. I think they're all going to ship simultaneously. That's what I think. I'll say all of these OS's are coming out next, next week or whatever. All right. I'm going back to AirPods. Okay. I'm picking from Maha again. Uh huh. New AirPods Max. Yep. They've got to do it. If they're going to keep selling this product at some point, they have to do this. It still uses lightning and it doesn't have any of the AirPods Pro feature set now, like the new feature set. You can't do, uh, conversation detection. It can't do the new gestures, like the nodding and the shaking that they're going to have. It doesn't have adaptive transparency. Like at some point they need to do this, otherwise stop selling it. We're definitely in home pod territory with this thing, right? They have to update this product and I'm hoping that it's going to be now because I am a fan of this product line for the very specific use cases I have, which is a modern airplane and I love using my AirPods Max on an airplane. A lot of the criticism of the AirPods Max is the price and some of the details around, you know, the sleep features and the case and the fact that it's old now. But I will say people who have them seem to love them, right? I love mine. Yep. Mm hmm. Anyone that can get past the white, which is a problem, but you can get past that. It's a great set of funds, just great set of funds. And I really, really want them to update this now, so I'm hoping that they will. Well, along with my mention of the Emmy Awards earlier, I'm going to say an Apple TV+ trailer or promo video is shown. Okay, I'm just going to go with that. That was my final pick. I'm not super confident. I'm glad to have sniped it from you, but I'm not super confident. I just feel like they want to boast, Mike, think of it this way. Why do they spend hundreds of millions of dollars on movies from our tour directors that nobody's going to see? Why do they spend hundreds of millions? Why do they spend $80 million before they shot a frame on the deals for Brad Pitt and George Clooney for this Wolf's movie that's just going to go to Apple TV+, why? If not to boast about it. Why would you? Why would you not? Why you are spending that money is in the iPhone event to take a moment to boast about all the amazing things you've got coming up this fall on Apple TV+, why would you not do that? Let me tell you what I think we're going to get. Okay. A trailer for the F1 movie. This is not my pick, but I'll do it. It could be. I feel like it's probably most likely going to be like a montage of what's amazing. This will be pretty heavily featured in it, I think. It's coming up. This is the most money they've spent on the movie. But the Pitt and Clooney movie is coming soon, right? Show. You throw that in there and you've got some other shows that are coming Severance, Silo, Slow Horses. Slow Horses. Which is that the first episode of that drop last week when to Slow Horses. I think it's this week. Okay. Thank you. I come from the future. I can reveal with a home. Am I embargoed? I don't know if I'm embargoed or not. I've seen the first couple episodes of the new season of Slow Horses and yeah, it's still great. I mean, I don't have any breaking news. It's still great. That's all I've got. So much. I'm a little excited. I think the embargo is in August, so I think the embargo is up for Slow Horses, even though it's not out yet. Anyway, it's good. Yeah. It's still good. There's no news there. It's still good. So I think that'll be probably what it is. It's like a highlight of all the stars. It's the first episode. The second episodes embargo is like later. Okay. I'll tell you specifics about the second episode, but I can tell you that it's good. It's just still good. It's just still good. I can't wait. I have it all to watch too. It's a nice little puck we have to have sometimes. Yeah. Every now and then. Oh boy. There's a pick I almost mentioned or almost did, but I can't because it would just break my heart. So I left it. I don't know if that's where you want to go or not. There's one in here. I'm like, you know, that's probably the case, but I can't be rooting for that on the day. So I've got to leave it. All right. So here's where I am. All right. I'm picking between new AirPods feature, active noise cancellation, which is the Montgomery room. Yeah. I then have next to each other in case you picked one of them, vision pro mentioned or vision pro not mentioned. Indeed. And I was leaning toward not mentioned me to the thing is the tricky thing about vision pro not mentioned. Vision pro not mentioned will hurt my heart. So I don't want to pick it, but, you know, they throw vision pro in to almost as if there's somebody back there who's like, you got to mention the vision pro, right? So I think it's a real almost 50 50 about like, does it get mentioned in passing? It's not going to be a big thing, but they may, they may say they may even say, oh, and vision OS two are all coming out next week, right? They might do that because so they've done and I think they've done it a couple of times now. And I think they were going to keep doing it maybe is like the vision pro has taken the spot of the like, here's a store update, like it's like the first thing they talk about is got to mention it. We love vision pro and it's doing great and look how good this is. Yeah. I don't think they're going to do that, but to save our hearts, my final pick is going to be vision pro mentioned. Vision pro mentioned. Oh, we can root for it. I mean, I guess I'm sort of rooting against it, but I'm not. I'm rooting for it. I want to root for it because I want them to talk about it. I want them to do it. And if they don't, then I then then you don't get a point and that makes me happy too. So I win either way. I love it. Thank you for picking up. There is a conversation for later in the year, yes, trying to work out. All of content in the fall of conduct because I think the issue that we're finding ourselves in is we are now in the alternate timeline. We swapped over, right? Yeah. We were on the spatial computing timeline. And now we're on the AI timeline. Now we're on the timeline and I don't know what happens to the vision pro in the AI timeline. Yeah. The vision pro could have gotten all of the attention in the world when Apple saw it as their next potential product area. But they now have another one and another one that like the rest of the world agrees on where the rest of the world did not agree on ARVIA, I think, I think to other tech companies were agreeing because they all were trying to do the same thing. Like there was just a report the other day that matter of canceled their expensive headset that they were working on now, like they had a new expensive headset. They were working on the canceled it. So I don't know. We'll see. Yeah. We'll see. That's the draft. We did it. The draft is done. We did it. Next week. Apple Park. Yep. People will watch a video at Apple Park. Other people will watch the video elsewhere and then we will score it and break it all down. But that's I can't believe it. We're here at the end of the summer of fun though I do have I still have a summer of fun idea that I may you know because in the Bay Area September is summer. Okay. This is the best weather we get all year is in September. So maybe there will be at some point a little leftover thing that I want to do from the summer of fun but we'll we'll we'll we'll go to it if the opportunity arises. So every stay tuned for that one. Interesting. Okay. You too Mike. I'm just looking forward to fighting out about it. Do you want to do some ask upgrade before we finish today? I do. I do because I want to I want to do some ask upgrade to round out the summer of fun. All right. So we have a selection of ask upgrade summer of fun focused questions as all as all send off. Yes. I'll do a rabbit. We'll do rapid fire. All right. But I want to get through many of these. I want to get as many of these in as possible because people asked questions summer themed and we should get to it. Let's see if we can do this. Kayla Baskes, what are your feelings about the neighborhood ice cream truck? Is the music creepy or is it just the trucks here in the Midwest that are creepy? Do you have a favorite treat to get from the truck? We very rarely have ice cream trucks in my neighborhood when they do it the it's funny because the Doppler shift means that the music kind of wavers as it's coming toward you or going away from you and it always seems kind of creepy because of that and sort of sad. You know the fact is when my I grew up out in the country so when when my kids were young and we heard the ice cream truck it was fun. It's fun. You go and get something. I don't have a favorite treat from the ice cream truck because again I have basically no experience with the ice cream truck because I didn't grow up in a place that had them you know or we didn't have Halloween trick or treat we don't have any of the things that I have now living in the suburbs because I was out in the middle of nowhere. I don't know how the ice cream truck could be too creepy to be honest. The ice cream truck is ice cream when the ice cream creepy it's not creepy and I used to when I was a kid I used to love a nice lollie called a zap lollie that was my favorite. Nice. Addie asks do you or have you flown a kite? I got kites in my garage I haven't flown it in a while. When I but with the kids we would go on a you know over to the park that's near here and we flew the kites sometimes with them but my real story here is when Lauren and I lived in Berkeley before we got married so it's a long time ago now it's 30 years ago now. We would take take a kite and go to the subway on a Shaddakian University Avenue and get sandwiches on a weekend day and then drive down to the Berkeley shore where there was a giant park with dogs and people flying kites and there was always a breeze because it was across the bay from the Golden Gate Bridge and the Golden Gate like opening right and so there was always wind there and we would have our sandwiches and sit in the sun and fly kites and it was great that was a wonderful little time of my life that year that we lived together in Berkeley so yes love a kite I haven't flown one lately but they're great. Logan asks what is your go-to lawn chair do you have a preferred style or brand? Oh I really should have done a better job of this because I should have prepped for this I think I actually use the wire cutter pick but it's very good it is the Coleman quad chair portable camping chair which has like a little cooler pocket and it is kind of gross because it leaks and spiders get in there and stuff but the Coleman quad chair is that's my preferred under the tree working chair it's a camp chair but it doesn't matter it's great. You know what when I saw that question didn't think you'd have an answer for that I mean I do I don't know why of course I do but I just wasn't expecting it yeah it's very important that's my that's my summer workplace out there so it's important to have a good one good you have the IKEA thing the frozen yeah but that's like a that's like a couch it's not really a lawn chair it's a couch I sit out on the lawn in a camp chair under the tree totally different context sure Pat asks have you ever water skied or wakeboarded the answer is have I complicated I have tried and I failed my balance is very bad I'm not a very good balance person and so when I was a kid we didn't have a boat you could do water skiing and we did water skiing and I tried it and I would just fall over I would just fall over I could not stay up on the water ski and that was just a bad balance that's the bottom line so so I've tried but I failed that's a shame yeah I've never done you ever want to ski no I would but I've never okay Emmy asks what was your favorite summer treat as a kid oh wow wow summer treat I mean we used to make so I don't sound super dumb I'm gonna say we used to make popsicles out of just juice where we have a little plastic container and you put you put the juice in it and then you put the plastic things on top and you freeze it and so you get like these really great juice pop cycles those were great otter pops which are just popsicles and little plastic pouches I know those in college because once you're in college you get permission to do all the things that your parents wouldn't let you do but now you're in college so you can do them and in college when you're we bought a box of otter pops at Costco so it was literally like 250 otter pops oh my god I I still had those some of those otter pops survived for like years afterward where's like oh still got some otter pops in here I mean they're frozen I mean those are great and then the other treat which is a dumb treat but I'm gonna mention it though because it's the first thing that came to mind is Sun tea I always loved you put out a big jar of water with tea bags in it and it makes the sun bruise it and it makes tea and then you have iced tea and that's a very summery thing for me so yeah I loved slush puppies the closest analog to this is sloppy oh yes slurpee is a great one on a hot day to get a get a slurpee and then you get the brain freeze oh that is a treat that is a treat that's more of an issue I never had slurpees as a kid so that's more of an adult summer treat for me honestly lemon line slurpies and then when you grow up you can have like shave ice instead you know smooth a more adult version of that sure Benjamin asks is fellow bespectacle fellows what do you use to see when you go swimming at the beach or are you sighted enough to go without I bought some adjustment you know not like I prescription but like with an adjustment on them set of goggles swim goggles on Amazon because I was at one point standing in the water with my kids and the wave a wave came and knocked my glasses off and that was almost a very bad vacation but Lauren found them in this in the sand and saved and so a couple things now I always travel with a backup set of glasses and two if I'm going to be going in the water I put on the goggles because they I can't see like super well but I can see pretty well I can see where I'm going I can see under the water and even if I'm not going under the water I can see when I'm in the water and and they won't get washed off my head so I if you if you're going consider that those exist you can just go on Amazon even and get you have to look at your prescription and then get the like the adjustment that's the closest and take your shot my vision is okay enough I don't I don't need to worry about this nice Taylor asks when you're at the beach or pool or lake what is your footwear of choice sandals slides water shoes what do you do um great question I just want to mention here that flip flops where you've got the little thing that you have to put between your toes yep have always given me toe cramps I hate cramps and I hate them I hate so I have two answers here I have some nice taeva sandals so you know you stick your foot in them and the thing goes over your foot and and then you kind of Velcro it on all that and that's great and then I actually do have a pair of swim shoes that I use if I'm going in to a pool or into the the you know the the water at the beach because I found that if I was hanging out with my kids in the pool and bouncing up and down on the bottom and all that that I rubbed my feet raw and would be they would be painful and bloody afterward so now I wear little water shoes when I'm in the water and they're great right like neoprene with a little soul and it means my feet don't get hurt and that's nice but but if I'm like just enjoying the beach and might get a little wet or whatever is the taeva sandals they're great west slides all right cools me on any pain gens asks what is your favorite cocktail and why is it less fancy than mics it's less fancy than mics because I don't drink cocktails I don't really drink hard alcohol at all yep and so therefore I have no favorite my favorite cocktail is I mean by default what does that make it like a version something so sure no that's that's my answer sorry it's that it's that Sun tea from before hey what's your favorite cocktail I'm a margarita man I I used to be a bourbon guy but then I just bum it just doesn't feel good and so I switch to tequila and margarita is my favorite just bourbon doesn't make you feel you know what makes me feel good busting busting Lindsey asks did you ever go to summer camp I did one time I went to computer camp in Solvang California yep I did learn more than I never needed to know about Atari computers I was an apple or was I an apple to kid at that point I might not even been an apple to kid it didn't have the computers that I knew but there are Atari computers there and I learned some stuff and it was the typical absolutely typical like right from the song story where I was incredibly this was seventh grade incredibly homesick at the beginning and by the end I didn't want to leave so yeah one of those you asked probably this the way for a lot of those kinds of things I imagine yeah oh yeah that's that's how it goes that's it's such a stereotype and it's absolutely the case that I was it here's the credit I'm going to give to summer camp when I went off to college I did not get horribly homesick because I went to summer camp and I got I worked through my feelings as a seventh grader and so I was kind of over it and I was able to be more independent afterward I knew that that was going to be fine and that was a lesson learned at computer camp where I guess I also learned some things about writing like a text adventure or something I don't know it was it was a weird camp and finally Michael asks the age old of asked question on rare occasions Jason has signed off after Mike and you say goodbye Jason Snell with verbatim goodbye Jason Snell right so like I would say say goodbye Jason Snell and you say goodbye Jason Snell sometimes exactly sometimes usually you just say goodbye Mike or goodbye or whatever but sometimes you say goodbye Jason Snell it's true what is it that makes you take to decide to do this uh whim there's no plan yeah it's a whim you're feeling it sometimes it's a special episode and that makes you want to do it and I got feedback from somebody who said they can they can hear me pause as if I'm considering whether to say it or not yeah yeah that that's true I hear it too I know and that is absolutely the case where I'm I'm thinking not just about that but if I have another kind of like different kind of sign off to do but there's no rhyme or reason for it um it just it's just sometimes it happens I don't want to lean into it too much by the way for people who don't know this is a classic uh old timey comedy bit Burns and Allen and you if you remember George Burns who is in a bunch of movies when he was a very very old man well he was part of a comedy duo with his wife Gracie and Gracie Allen was the funny one and George Burns was the straight man and which is very funny to think of if you remember George Burns is a very old man with the cigar being God in O God or you know in the Sunshine Boys right I think he was in anyway um and their sign off was always say goodbye Gracie goodbye Gracie and so that's where it comes from but it's just a comedy bit and we have done it for probably 10 years now in the panatics I say goodbye Brad he says goodbye Brad like that we just started doing it and that's just how it's been why not do it it's just a different thing but I don't want to do it every time I want it to be like you can have it every now and then as a treat the treat it's a treat for all of us yeah like the summer was if you would like to send in your feedback your follow up for your questions go to upgradefeedback.com we got so much feedback about the icon tier list we're gonna have to just deal with it in a later time right yeah those people love the show lots of people had a lot of opinions lots of people had some interesting things to say and I will hold them we'll get to it at some point I mean there is that quiet week right there's the quiet week when we know about the phones but don't have the phones maybe we'll get to it then but thank you to everybody that sends maybe their feedback and their questions in every week at upgradefeedback.com you can check out Jason at six colors.com and here he's podcasts here on relay and at the incomparable.com you can hear my podcast here on relay to and check out my work at cortexbrand.com you can find us online Jason is @jsnell I am at I'm Mike I am YKE I forgot my own name there for a second you can watch video clips of this show on tick clock Instagram and YouTube where we are at 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Jason and Myke preview what will happen at next week's Apple event. What new features will the new iPhones have? How will the Apple Watch transform? How will Apple Intelligence be featured? To the winner goes the glory.
