Boom or Bust NRL Fantasy Podcast

Season 2024 Questions & Review Pod Round 27

Our 2024 season continues with our huge questions podcast for the year covering all of your questions for Round 25.

The Boom or Bust boys are back with your questions! Nic and Stu run through a massive Q&A with all of your questions and thoughts on the season, plus the team run through our preseason predictions and find the good and bad from 2024. Take a look and let us know what you think! Go here - https://linktr.ee/boomorbustnrl - to get a link to listen on your favourite platform. Available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Amazon podcasts or go direct to https://boomorbust.podbean.com to listen on the web.

Duration:: 1h 29m
Broadcast on:: 04 Sep 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

Our 2024 season continues with our huge questions podcast for the year covering all of your questions for Round 25. The Boom or Bust boys are back with your questions! Nic and Stu run through a massive Q&A with all of your questions and thoughts on the season, plus the team run through our preseason predictions and find the good and bad from 2024. Take a look and let us know what you think! Go here - https://linktr.ee/boomorbustnrl - to get a link to listen on your favourite platform. Available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Amazon podcasts or go direct to https://boomorbust.podbean.com to listen on the web.

- Welcome to the Fantasy Amateurs and Boomer Bus collaboration for 2024. We have joined forces to bring you the best content for our fantasy experts and fantasy nuggets, reviewing the teams the week that was and entering all of your questions. - Good evening, and welcome to the Boomer Bus and NRO Fantasy Amateurs Question Collaboration for 2024. I'm your host for the last time this year, Stuart Lord, and I'm joined by Nick Lord. Hey, go, Nick. - What do you do, baby? - Go, go, mate, go in. Good, we're right at the end, mate. - Yeah, we're almost at the door. And yeah, I had a shock in week last week. You've overtaken me in the overall league, Spain. So all those role players, which have helped me rise so far, so obviously having a week off did not help. - Yeah, having did you have played last week? - 14. So to get 750 with 14 was all right. - That's great. - It'd be 950 otherwise, right, like-- - Maybe. - 900? - 900, so yeah, that's it. So dropped a few rings last week, but that's the cost of business. This week, I do have, somehow, I'm snaking 17. - Yep. - The Abbot unique, you had a big week last week on your head to head, just. - Yeah. - Just. - Oh, mate, there was a bee stick in it. It was, I did it, I just threatened to get less than like 51, and he did 43. So I just, I just, like, passed up. - You know the difference that you've, that you won by was his demerits. - Oh, yeah. - That was literally it. So if I go back, right, and I go to, if I go to the fixtures, right for last week. - Yep. - And I look at the scores there, 'cause it was in there. Angus, correct, and I'm pretty sure he got, like, 16 points in demerits, and that was pretty much the point of difference. Was 14 between-- - Yeah, I sort of try and lay people out a couple of times, he bounced off, you know, those sorts of his tackles. - Yes. - Yeah, or he was just trying to stop the ball from going wide, so he bounced them back in field. - Yeah, yeah. - So he's seven missed tackles, yeah. Pretty brutal. - Oh, mate, it's, yeah. When it's literally that. - But, but he also had four errors. - Yep, that's what I mean. So 22 points and a 24 points with the penalties as well. So if you take, you take even most of those away, and you still guess there, anyway. - And if said Walker didn't go off, he would have gone to Golden Point anyway, right? So I was very lucky to scrape through. - Yeah, he did well. Big scores from both of you. - Nick O'Hines was pretty close with his 32. He's got a little, right? - And Colomatangi too, yeah. Oh, mate, he better pick it up this week. That's where Colomatangi? - Yeah, no, he's done. He's done, like, you see him get bent. He just didn't care anymore. He's like, "No, I'm done." I'm cool. - Yeah, I look south, I think you've been done for a while. So being the only guy who cares in there has been probably been hard for the last few weeks. - Giant Gray's awesome though. Like, just on a side note, like he's been phenomenal. He should be there full back next year, eh? - And the issue is that he's about three foot three, so, you know, it's-- - Doesn't stop happening, hasn't? - It has stopped happening, hasn't. He's been injured consistently 'cause he's so frickin' small. - Mate, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That Jack White Ninja-E, with that knee on knee, that was not a being small injury. - Ah, some of it is though, the, some of the interesting picks up the Nelson injury as well. Like, it just, it turns it from bad to worse 'cause you're always on the losing side of the car crash, right? You're always the small car hitting the SUV. - Oh, all of that. - And Joe Gray is smaller than Pappanhausen. - Yeah! - I don't know. - I'm just saying, mate, like when you see a big truck hit a regular size car, it's normally the truck driver getting out going, oh my goodness, and the car driver, you know, sort of being one of those statistics ads. That's all. - Yeah, no, no, no, I agree. I just, I mean, he's not Matt Tufti, you know, I think he's bigger than him, so anyway. - I'm not sure he is. I'm pretty sure Joe Gray may be the smallest player in the comp. - Yeah, right. - Yeah, let me look it up, 1.7 metres, 170 centimetres. - Yeah, five, seven. - Yeah, mate, I'm pretty sure I don't know anyone who is smaller than him in the comp. - Yeah. - Anyway, who's not a hooker? - Yeah, yep, I think you're right. I think you might be the shortest. - You're more like Gordon Chong-Kong-Tong or something. - Yeah, that's it. So, it's, yeah. Yeah, enough about him, I'll put it this way. It's Matt Tufti's nine centimetres tall. - He is, yeah, I just kind of saw that too. (laughing) - You were always on to the good stuff here. - I was shutting off about it. - That's it, all right. Anyway, let's go through some of the questions quickly and then we'll get to some of our review of this year. So, Peter, Miniweti is saying thanks guys for your help. This year, only for top 200 best fan of your results in his four years of fantasy, mate, well done. So, yeah, Ross Mitchell's going best captain out of Yo Carrigan and Poynna this week. So, obviously, I sort of said in the group chat, well, oh no, obviously the people at home, is that there may be a couple of people who might get a bit of a rest on the bench if the Panthers are tawling up the Titans. There's no guarantee. I'm just saying that there's a fairly good chance right, Nick? So, with that in mind, I'm just saying that Yo could get 20 minutes. He could, you know, they just, they could take it a little bit easy if they're absolutely thrashing them. So, there's a little bit of risk there. Carrigan, again, Nick, there's possibly a little bit of risk because it's, the Broncos are essentially out of contention. What are you thinking? - Yeah, yeah, that's a risk. But I mean, they're, Haas is back out again. So, it's like... - Oh, the fact that I've played it last week, I swear, I've fascinated by that. Absolutely fascinated. They're playing, so the bench is Moza, Kobe Hettington, Tikura, and Tapao. So, Kobe Hettington could take some minutes off. Carrigan, but probably what, 10? Are we looking at it? - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, I'm thinking probably 10 minutes there, just looking at the shape of that squad. So, ooh, we'll probably flip out with Fletcher Baker, who I think is being shopped from when I hear Nick. - Oh, really? - Yep, along with Kobe Hettington, he's currently been told he can find other clubs. Corey Jensen will play big minutes. Corey Jensen is a great, if your team goes all the way to the grand final for your fantasy draft this week. I would say that, oh, what's his name? I just lost it, Corey Jensen could be a good pick up. He'll probably be on the way for worse somewhere as well. - Well, for draft. - Yep, for draft. - Yep, yep. - Now, Pona this week is a bit of an interesting case, 'cause obviously the Knights have a lot to play for against the Dolphins. So, might be happening both. I don't know, what do you think of Nick? - No, I agree. Yeah, it's just one of those things, like the Bennett Factor. I know the guys discussed last night that Wayne Bennett will be aware that Pona is critical to their success and will try and take him out again. I think, I think having Hammer and Herbie in the center, I think that really adds a lot to their attack, but also adds a lot to the defense, just having speed on both sides. So, Pona just can't abuse him. - That's true, and having Nick O'Rima out as well means it's a little bit stiffer in the halves as well. - I think so. I think there was some really, really quality play last week from the Dolphins, like they just towed out the Broncos, but-- - Am I correct here that it was Sean O'Sullivan and Ava Rillo pretty much playing the game out? - Yeah, yep. And so, yeah, I was impressed by those two running them around. It was like, I've always liked Sean O'Sullivan, but he and Ava Rillo were certainly a bit stiffer in defense. So, yeah, they're the parent this week. - I think it was a strater. I think they played very direct and tough, so I look for that again this week. I'm not sure the Knights can stand up to them, just looking at the Knights squad here. I think the Knights probably have a punchier back line, but I think the Dolphins have a faster back line, so it's gonna be really interesting to watch. I just don't, I'm not convinced Pong is gonna go to that really, really big score. So, I am landing where I think Mark and Ryan and Rob were, which was, I'm leaning towards Teddy, mate, 'cause everyone should have Teddy at this point, but Teddy up against the Rabbidos, they're looking to put a million points on. They've got Mark, don't we're gonna need to ask, so who's gonna come in on the wing there? Dominic Young better play. I don't know who's dropping out with its power guard. - Ah, Tom Young needs a rest, mate. He needs a rest. I've checked to see who's gonna get dropped. Hasn't been updated on NRL.com yet, so. - No, they haven't made our official. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so. - It would probably be a polder. So, coming out, I think they're testing it next year, so. But look, we'll find out, right? It could be even be some funny switch, like Marno comes in, Santa Smith goes back onto the bench, like, and a polder moves the center or something like that. - But I've watched, no one I need to ask, hey, he's awesome, he's super fast, he is super strong, like, really powerful runner. Like, having those two guys, I see them making the break, and he's just backing up the middle. Souths were not backing up anything last week against the Panthers. I see Teddy getting half a dozen tries, you know, like, just, I could just see it happening. So, I haven't looked at the betting market. So, what I've done the last couple of weeks, I've sort of looked at the betting market to see who's got the lowest odds to score a hat trick. - Yeah. - Yeah, and I'll have a look at them, and that will probably be the final clincher, but I think Tedesco's in line for a few big pies this week, so. - Yeah, Tedesco, Tedesco's a good call there. The other guy that I'd say you could put a smokey on would be Dylan Brown trying to weigh the spoon down there against a pretty soft Tiger's edge. So. - What about Lucky Galvin on the Tigers as well, if you still got him hanging around Stu? Do you think he's a decent shout for-- - Not for captain, see, I'm not sure, because like, they're off the week-- - His floor's pretty high. - His floor's high, he's ceiling, however, he's not gone nuts, he's got like a 60s this week. You want a 60, go put on yo, right? If you're looking for the real breakout, that's why I'm just trying to find these guys, like, you know, Dylan Brown last week got adioded in his time there. - Yep. - Yeah. - Yep. - Oh, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't remind me, mate. I'll, we watched it live. (laughing) - That's true, he was doing well. - All right. - Let's move on to the next question, not that we got many to move through, Joe Ward asking if selling for Fedor and KPP, which leads 1.4 million. So you should be bringing out a Watson-Cotta, Cherry Evans, Hughes, Nick Ora, Edwards, and Tarpone. Is this not crucial, just looking for most points? Thanks again for the great year of content. - What are your thoughts, Nick? - Yeah, Watson's not a bad shout. He should, he should be in line for long minutes there. So they've got a pretty inexperienced bench. Zach Docker Clay is sitting in Jersey 14, so he then keeps going to get that 30 odd minutes, probably off the bench at Hooker. So you think, rather than maybe having a 30 and 50 split between lock and hooker, it might be a 50/30 hooker, locks with the bots in this week. So, my brain kind of went, just initially, my thoughts were like in order with Watson and Tarpone. - Well, Jerome Hughes, so he's off the rest. And there's an argument here that the Broncos could just capitulate and Jerome Hughes will do, just what I was saying about James Sidesk, here. - Yeah, he'd be running up against Jaden Hunt. He's not the first. - Oh, yeah, yeah, no, he's not. - Just be cool, is it out? - Yes, yeah, that's a good call. - So he could be running there. Look, Jerome Hughes is up there. Edwards, I think, is just down a little bit at the moment. So I would avoid him. Nickra's very much like, - His knee is hooked, Edwards. Like, he's really struggling. - Yeah, and Cherry Evans, I've just feel like he just has a lot more downside than upside in his game at the moment, unless you expect him to go ballistic. Like, he really needs those tries to hit those big scores these days. So, my brain - Yeah, it's true. No turbo, so - No turbo, we'll give him 10 points. - But not 30, 40, you know, like he's just had that lot of floor has an issue. - That's it. - I feel like Watson's Hughes and Tarpon, they just pick two out of three. - Any other options? Do you think of anything else left field? - Would you look at Nico this week for 750K? He's back in the number seven jersey. - No. - I think he'll take back the goal kicking. - I think he'll take back the goal kicking, but the issues, the minutes, sorry, and the kicking meters, right? He's just been shooting them for a while. He's back in the number seven jersey. He's been effectively playing six for a while in my brain. So, because Trindle just handles those, which just takes away from that base from him, just takes him away from that huge base. And so he'll run more, but still a ponger. - Well, he should have had like an extra few points. Like he got to try this aloud that I thought was a bit borderline, you know, so, yeah. - Look, ponger is a guy I think that you could probably bank on this week. Both perform well. If you over-nicker, I take him over-nicker this week. - He's so fun, was it a sentence, dude? - Against the Panthers. Oh, is he? See if he points in on this week. Jeez wins. - He was in the center last week for a 46, yeah, yeah. - So, is he back there this week? - Yes, he's still in the centers, yeah. - Well, it's shocking. Okay, no, ignore me then. Guys, there's no one else there that already care about. - Yeah, Manu might do it right against the bunnies too. - But he's walls pretty low at the moment, yeah. - It is. If you somehow find out that J Manu does end up moving and they put sentence Smith back to the bench, right? Change from Watson to Manu, that's all I'd say. Manu at six is super valuable. I just don't understand why they don't do it. - Yeah, I agree. I agree. Totally agree. - They waste every year. - And instead, the same walker's asking for a million and a half dollars a year to stay. - Suppose, I suppose the problem is though, who plays, if you move Manu at a center, does that sort of make up your-- - And you move Palgar to center and then-- - No, I don't think that works at all. I don't think Palgar's a center. - I, they train my way back on back there. - He needs consent again. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, I don't know. One day. - No, Billie Smith is my point. - Yeah. I think they keep moving time through the new South Wales Cup. So to return, because he's still really only played 30, 40 games in his NRO career, he just keeps on getting these long-term injuries, which is gross. - Yeah, so I think, you know, we thought Manu is a bit spicy a couple of weeks ago, but he sort of-- - They're right last week. - That one's the-- - Do you? What do you get? - Um, pulling it up now. Top score is 65. - Oh, good jump. Okay. - There we go. - Yep. - Yep. All right, Ed Lord goes for the top. - Sorry, sorry, sorry, no 65 with no triers. Lime breaks triers is nothing. - Yeah, but he was playing five eight. More ball. - Oh yeah. - Yeah. All right, Ed Lord-- - And 35, and 35 kilometers. - Oh yeah, the one point there. All right. Ed Lord asks, what are the top three players who broke your season? And I was having a thing about this during the week, and I thought that, well, bring in, I bought in round 18, Latrell Mitchell, where he got his 80 and then got his list frank and decided to be out of the season. So that was like one of my final trades for like, you know, round 18 coming to round 19. So the by-round type of thing, and then he was just out. I thought I could keep him through the end. Round 20, I then bring in pain hearths, who then proceeds to do his knee and have to go around 23, right? I was so sorry, the list frank again. So it's just like another trade literally set on fire. And of course, a good friend and obvious captain here, Nathan Cleary, who comes in and comes in in round 21 and then leaves again in round 25 with his injury. So the shoulder. So those ones, so especially because pain hearths actually had him round one knee. And then he did his knee, if I remember correctly, round three. Oh, so round two. Yeah. So I bought pain hearths twice. I bought Nathan Cleary twice. And now they've both been out again. So that was. Yeah. That was pretty rough. And who was the, oh, and the best one for me, John Bateman in round 10. That's the worst. Does a pick that game at round 11, 30 k-lops on the... That's brittle. On a turnaround, that's it. So you just sometimes you got to eat it, but jeez, it's frustrating. To anyone else who really frustrated me there. Oh, and there were other ones like, "Oh, I bought an A-kin in Max King, "and both got busted, right?" Like just some of these guys, the way that they've just gone down, crossed the season, it's ridiculous. How about you, Nick? Anyone break up your season? Look, you know, I think the dumbest thing I've done is selling Kyle Iro when he just started to play well. So I should have held him. I traded him out for Papa Nausen, and that was a pretty big miscalculation there, where I should have just backed the talent, 'cause I definitely rated Iro. I just felt, okay, they're just not playing him to score tries, basically. And then he just started scoring tries. So, yeah. Anyway, so I regret selling him. That would have been a good try to keep. Obviously, my hooker situation was a dumpster fire, so bringing in Seveela. Heveela was terrible. Seliva Heveela, that was terrible. And then the last one, I just have it. Oh, Tommy Tallau bringing him in and then vlogging him and not just probably being a bit too impatient with that one was a bit silly, I think. So other than that, I feel like I was pretty patient most of the year. You know, some things you can't help, like to a helmet or a lungi, like that's just life. 'Cause I made some money on that, so it's not the worst thing ever. So yeah, I've been pretty fortunate. And there's some of my trades that I sort of only got stuffed over a couple of times with bringing someone in that happened to get rid of them. But other people like, which is so unlucky this year. - That's it. Like if you had some of the stuff, luck that I had, but we both had, but then you went in, some of the other guys have gone down, who we missed. - That's it. - Like Joel would like some of these other guys. Around one team made plenty of mistakes. And like, that's all right, because you just trade them out once. It's just when you then trade it to another mistake, and then you got to trade it again. That's just very tricky to handle. - Sure. All right, Matt Pittman is asking about capital C options. And I look, I think that Teddy is a great score there. I think that Teddy over Marno, I would think he'll have the money in a heartbeat. And he's captain this week. If somehow you got news that he was playing at six. I don't know how you're going to get that. It's a game Thursday against us at 7.50. And the 24 out that comes at eight o'clock. But if for some reason, you know, Kyrie gets another HIV falls over at training and they're talking about bringing Marno in, then we know what to do. - I think Hines is a pretty good, pretty good shout, assuming he gets back to kicking. I think he's got a lot to prove at the moment. - Fair enough. - I watched the game pretty closely. Like he got more and more and more involved as it went. And he was starting to take back the reins. So I think, I think Trindall did most of it. And then towards not crunching time that's when it went more towards Nick Hurst. So in that right hand side. So yeah, I've actually just done a little bit now. - Mate, he and Gutho would be the ultimate non-clutch spine members, the two founding members, those two. - Like in fact, you know, what next season, what have you got the least clutch players in the league? - It's shrinkable. - Yeah, that's it. - Could shrink in the moment. - Exactly, right. So not sure who you hook or what be, but I'm sure there's some candidates out there. So guys always fumble the ball half back with, I'll have Nick up five, eight, half back, would have to be bent hump for that one. Dropping the ball. So the, yeah. Anyway, so we'll have a, have a think about some of the rest of the players that could be in that squad. Guys drop the ball over the line top of the thing. You know what, they would have to be in this, would need this week, Nick. - Yeah, another crap week. - All right, let's keep on moving on. Look, that time of the year, we'll get through some of our pre-season predictions. Nick, you've kind of put some of them down for us. How about you take us through where we're at? - Yeah, so we do like mini write-ups of all the players that we think are basically fantasy relevant. So I sort of just picked all the highlights of, yeah, it's a few things we got right, a few things we got wrong. So just kick it off with the, with the Rabbidos, you said for the Latrell, should have an up here, however, and be a top three fullback and final team target. Now, Stu, he was the number one fullback on average, averaging basically 60, first 39th and overall points with only 11 games. So you're right and you're on edge. Obviously can't, can't bank on foot injuries and alleged what powder photo. - Yeah, that's it. Well, the fact that he's been busted twice in that thing, I think if he played his way through the season, I think he, he would have been there. - Yeah, to speed us a taller, you said easy path to 45, 50 minutes for a 46 average. He averaged 40 before he got injured. So, yeah, it wasn't too bad. But when he was injured, he was definitely gone. So at least you could trade him out. Cam Murray, you said, if you take Murray, it's a gamble. And considering he will miss a minimum of five games with his bio schedule and origin, you said I'm not as keen with the Duncan news. - That was when 58. - Yeah, he did, he was the number of games that he missed. So his average was great. I never, never have an issue with Cam Murray as far as his work ethic goes. But the number of games that he missed this year, so he missed around seven, around 13. Like he just, just quite a number of, I'll say those are the buyers there, right? So his D and P's this year, right? Miss rounds 10, 11 and 12 and 14, so for there. 16, obviously, three to origin, right? Round 19, 20 and 21, right? And then 26 and 27. So I was right there, like just too many games missed. And I knew that he was gonna miss a minimum of five, but he ended up missing three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, he missed 13 games this year. Yeah, huge, huge. - Yeah, 13 rounds, 13 rounds. - Yeah, yep, yep. So, Charles Duncan, you said if he was starting, he's a screaming bite. Now Stu, he has started five games in the second row this year. He's averaging 47, which, you know, for 400 odd Ks for the guy. Was he 400 Ks for the game? - Yeah, he was. - So that would have been really nice, really tasty. - It would have been, unfortunately, they mucked around this year, like Jacob Post got more stats than him, which is insane, but that's what happened. - Yeah. - Jamie Cook, I said, not around one option. I think I was right on that. He sort of started a bit slower than a piece of milk milk. - Was the only man steaming by the end of it, I think was the big thing about him, right? - Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, from round 11, round 10 onwards, he's done really well, so. 'Cause he wasn't playing full 80 for a while there at the beginning, so, a bit all over the place. But anyway, that's worked out really well for me. Now, the night Stu, you said Pongar with his solid schedule and should miss origin, potential number one option. I think you were right, Stu. I think Pong has had a pretty solid year for what it is. - It's not hard to pick Pongar being a good player, though. Like, I won't take credit for that. Especially 'cause he's less mercurial than LaTrell. Like, he's got an effort factor. That only issues that huge chunk of time again that he missed, which, it makes him hard to get him, doesn't it, Nick, like these guys, just picking up these injuries. Like, again, he missed from round eight to 17 flat. - Yeah, he still played after this week. He would have played 15 of 24 games, which, you know, not too bad. Not a complete wash, but yeah, not a deal. - Jayden Brailey made, "I said you can bank "on a 50 to 55 averages here." Oh, God, what's he averaged for the year? He's averaged 38, so you can take 38 to the bank. - I do like this. - When he was starting, he was fine, but yes, he got cut as the season went on, so that makes it hard. - Look, I think I backed the talent and I've obviously don't know what's happening inside those four walls for him to be mucked around the way he has this year, so, with injury-informed and things like that, so. He's been durable at least. He's played basically every game, so that's a plus. - You know, Dylan Lucas, I said he was a solid edge and a goodbye from round one. Now, he's one of these guys, like, no one got him. - No one got him. - It was just too difficult 'cause he had no job security, but he was born pretty well, not only a second row, but in the centers as well, when he was playing there, so he's just been a good dude this year, like he's averaged 50 for the year. I think that's basically what we're saying, he'd averaged. - That's it, and he's posted good scores against good teams, like 72 against the storm, 60 against the Panthers, right? So he's not a fair with a guy. He's like, yeah, very good player, Nick, you can spot off. - Yeah, no, he's been awesome, so. - In a better coach team, he would be a better player. - Yeah, well, I think he's a great player, regardless. - A better player to buy, I mean, because he would be stuck at the center's half the game and, like, you know, mucked around and are you off the bench or, you know, all that type of stuff? - Yeah, for sure, yeah. - Now, Stu, Jaden Campbell, you had a huge buy rating. Now, he missed the first three rounds. - Yes, I did say that he was only if he started, he was a huge buy rating, but yes. - Yeah, yeah, was that the hand? - It was Keeney, you know, it was the leftover patellar issue from last year, so he still wasn't quite fit. - Now, mate, he's averaged about 54 for the season, so, you know, because he was 4.59 k, like, absolutely now that, I think. Now, a favourite one of yours, Tanner Boyd, you said not great upside, would be really baking, all it does, has the effect to get his price moving, and mate, it's got it moving in the wrong direction. - It's been told to negotiate with other clubs for next year. - Yeah, see you more. Yeah, it's pretty rough. Mate, big Tino, you said, cost too much round one, because he was about 800k, and we did take a really long, hard look at him, and then the second game of the year does his name, so, you know, you said, if he takes a big dip due to a knock or similar, we could revisit, and unfortunately the knock he took meant we couldn't revisit, so. - Too big. - I'm not sure if his injury is your fault, mate. - Probably. - All right, so, and then we get to the Panthers, where I said, like, having him as captain over Nico, which I'm not sure early season, obviously, clear he got injured, right? - Yeah. - Yeah, you know, overall, what would you say would be the result of the Nico versus Cleary debate this year? Who do you think was the winner? - Well, Nico was more available for longer stretches, right? Like, that's, that's pretty cut and dry, isn't it? - It is, Cleary's average two more. But, obviously, he's surrounded. - Yeah, Nico's just played more games, like he played all the way up until around 18, you know? - He did. - He's got 250 more points scored. - Yeah, so. - But can he pick two shoulder injuries for Nathan Cleary? - I think you could bait him in a hammy. - So, I would have baked him in a hammy. - Two hammies and a shoulder, though. - Oh, no, no, yeah, I agree. I think you could bake him maybe a hammy and a resting or two, you know? - Yep. - No, definitely. - I think that's what we sort of got to put in our calculation next year is he will have a, even if it's a low grade, he will have a low grade hamstring and be rested a couple of games. Now, mate, I think you know this one. As I, you said, if you're off-harced and you could be the answer, only one sub 50 score in 2023. And, mate, that was absolute fortune-telling because he's had an absolute peach of a season. He's averaged 65, basically. - How many scores for 50 as he had this year, by the way? - One, I think. - One, round 17. - 47. - Backing up after origin. - Of origin, too, yeah. - With the, yeah. - Well, it's a 47, that's basically a 50, so. Yeah, he's been, he's been honestly unreal. So, yeah, I know there's a bit of a clearer effect there, but, and, you know, maybe he's been propped up towards the back end of the year, you know, with these eighties he's been backing out, but even before they've been excellent. - Can I give you a crazy stat on his IEO, which will probably blow your mind? - Right. - He is played, he has played minutes, 1574 minutes, right? The six errors. - What? - Pretty much as he touches the ball, that's insane. - That's it, so, 777 tackle, sorry, 770 tackles, missed 14th. - That's insane, that's insane. He's the due-paid Haas dude, that's insane. - Yeah. - Oh, that's crazy. It's a genuine conversation around one next year. But beginning this year, you were saying that, Haas like a peg above. - Yeah. - Yo, but nah, I think I think that's been close. - 55 tackles, right? For you, every 55 tackles he then misses the next one. - It's insane, that's crazy. - So, it's, yeah, it is. Once he's been, once, one, hold on, this can't be, one, six again in Frenchman against him. And let's just put him up against some of these other studs, right? So, let's go look at Paine Haas, right? Again, a different type of player, right? - Yeah. - But the efficiency's there though, from a fantasy point of view. So, Paine Haas doesn't miss tackles, right? - Paine Haas only has eight missed tackles, right? It has made only 433. Obviously played a lot less games, 'cause he's been injured. - Yeah. - Right? And he's only considered four penalties though. So, he's got absolutely elite numbers too, as far as those good. So. - I think the gap's closed, you know. - Yeah, I asked, as far as the player goes yet, let's look at Patty Carrigan, who plays this more similar role, for his number of touches. 800, 807 tackles, right? So, Paine's been after him, missed 54. So, there's the difference there, so. - It's a different team though, like. - Oh, there's certainly been a lot better trajectories, for the Panthers, for sure. - Yeah. Now, Taylor Maymate, I said he will likely be a final team leader, but he is just really tough pick for round one at 600K. Now, he's not at the Panthers anymore. (laughs) - Well, the answer is, mate, we said don't get him, and we didn't, so. - Yeah. - Yeah, we did. And now, let's come up to the West prediction of the year. - No, no, no, no, no, these are not too bad. Mitch Moses, you said that he used to be a top eight contender. - Yeah, that's my West prediction, why I got that wrong. - They should've been, but they weren't. - You said his scores should be better than his season best from 2023, so. That's a bit rough, but he was good enough to play Origin, and play excellent Origins, so. - Will Pennesini, you said gathering some attention with ownership, mainly due to the fact that there are no confirmed cheapies, so Santa was a real problem beginning of the year. You said it was tier one talent can only improves, and seems like a guy you can set and forget for the season. Now, Pennesini, if you got a round one, do you think you would be happy to shoot? - No, I do not think that you would. He relied on Mitch Moses. He would expect to play more than the eight games that he played this season. So, again, it's the tale of two seasons. He plays with Mitch Moses, he gets fed some good ball, right? He got up in price, you know, into the 600s, and then Mitch Moses goes, he's suddenly playing outside June, RC, and his price goes through the floor. So, you'd probably be 75k down. - Yeah, up around round 15, I think when the eels were still not season over, he was going all right. You know, and then after round 15, I think they had that first buy, they just... - Well, Mitch Moses goes to Origin. - He doesn't come back, yeah. - No, he doesn't come back after round 14. - He played Origin 3, but he's had a couple of soft rounds. It's like, this season was going down hill, yeah, I'll chock on. So, I got it wrong, and we'll Pennesini on the plus side. I'm hoping he really tanks this week too. We can have that at the end of the year. I'm hoping he really tanks this week too. We can have a look at him again for next year, because the talent is there. - I agree. - It's just... - Yeah, sort of on the weekend. - We just need to drop his price a little bit more. So, if he's... - Yeah, he needs to make his tackles as well, don't he? - Yeah, look, if he got like a injury effect, like non-term injury, like, I don't know, an ankle niggle, right, and got a two next week, drops his average by a couple of points, that would be nice. - That's a question for you. Do you think Will Pennesini can be as good as Catoni Staggs? - I don't think just Tony Staggs is a good player. - Nah, I'm not talking fantasy, I'm just talking for you. - Nah, I'm just talking footy too. I don't think a Tony Staggs is a good player. I think the Tony Staggs would be so frustrating to coach, because you know that he could be a good player, right? Every once in a while, he turns up and is a great player, and the rest of the time, what on earth do you get? Like, he basically decides this is the weekend I'm gonna bully some other opposition center, but then a lot of weeks it just does not show up, though. - Well, I feel the same about Will Pennesini, to be honest. - Yeah, I think the difference is, I think that Will Pennesini, I think his talent base is better than Catoni Staggs. - Interesting. - I know. - Catoni Staggs is like power for power, one of the most explosive dudes in the league, you know? - Oh, I think the Pennesini has the better cardio and the better work ethic, and I think that he's got as good a footwork. He's not as explosive, no. But Catoni Staggs often doesn't explode over the line. He's kind of the guy who's exposing against the retreating defense, like maybe 30 metres out on a wide shift off a compressed defense. That's where he does his best work, and so they're trying to spread wide as soon as he catches someone on the back foot, but he cannot break a front foot defense. - Yep. - Whereas at least Will Pennesini will back up those things for the try, which you don't see Catoni Staggs often do. - No, he's the one breaking, not the back or up. - Yeah, so we should get sub 500k Will Pennesini, and that should actually be a pretty good pickup next year. - Oh, definitely. - Yeah, shoot. For Dylan Brown, you said, look to pick up during a dip in the year and target in drafts when the outrode gun halfbacks are gone, the great bias schedule and doesn't play origin. I think you nailed that. - I think if you picked up Dylan Brown, I think you'd be reasonably happy this year. I don't think it's been-- - If you picked him up when he went down, right, you'll have, look, you'll have eaten some crap scores, like the last three weeks before the dragons game, right? 34, 36, 34, which is not great. But in the hard part of the season, sort of from rounds eight or seven or whenever you picked him up, right, all the way through that middle of the origin period, you averaged a bit above 50, right? - Yeah. - All the way through to round 19, right? Where he picked up that 57 against the Titans. If you sold him in his buy in round 20, you would have been happy because you would have, you would have got on at a relatively decent price and enjoyed the price rise. - Yeah, when Moses went down earlier and he was doing more of the kick meters, he did a bit of base and it was going really well, but then when they sort of changed that role across and BA was sacked and all those changes happened. - Yeah, this when he sort of went a bit downhill, but... - The whole team went downhill. - Yeah, yeah, anyway, I said, Sean Lane was a really solid option if you believe in Paris. We all believed in Paris, that was wrong. And Bryce Cartwright, I said, I just don't see an avenue for getting better in 2024 than it was in 2023. I think that was right, wasn't it? - He had patches in Sierra Cartwright, but yes, he's basically ended up where he started, which is that mid 500s guy. He's got one of the better ceilings, like that 89, game one against the Bulldogs, but it's how he plays, he got the 89 and it's 3528, two games missing, 2028, no, a game missing, couple of game, more games missing, and then it's like averages 50 up until orange and two, and then it drops off again. Like it's just, you couldn't play him. Having him in your seat. - What's killing me? What's killing me with Bryce Cartwright? - He's just looking at his missed tackles, 'cause those games where he doesn't get those off loads, he doesn't get those tries. It's like, the missed tackles just kill him. Like, he just doesn't stick sometimes, and so his floor just falls out, it's asked 'cause he's not making his tackles, so. I think that's definitely a focus for next year, particularly with ages, I think, for me. - That's it. Look, let's get to the dolphins here. So I mentioned that the hammer had some value, but that due the number of games he's gonna miss with Origin, it was just hard to buy him round one. Now, he did okay, but he's obviously come back even better next, so what we just say about hammer this year, 'cause he's pretty much, if he's getting tries, he's gonna score well, right? - I looked long and hard again, I think, for the run-home after Origin. - He's where he started the season. He started 5'6, 'cause he was counting the price of 5'50. - I don't regret not getting him, eh? - That fight against the Broncos, God. - Yeah, yeah, but that's it. It's like, if he's not scoring. - Oh, 'cause he got injured, 20 minutes in. - Exactly. - Yeah, yeah, but if he's not scoring tries, the thing is, mate, he just keeps scoring tries. - He does, but if he has a dry spell, if he has a dry spell, which he did, right, from round, so round 20's. - All three games, yeah. - Off the three games, but okay, so he got 29 with a try against the roosters, right? So let's talk about, since round 21, just so you picked him up just after Origin. - He's averaging basically a try again for the season, which is crazy, like, that's so good, so. - For sure. - I think you nailed it though. I think it's a viability, even though he was only somewhat injured during the year. He missed a couple of games, but. - He missed eight games plus the three bikes, right? So he's only played sort of 16, and the bias schedule has not been kind, so. - Yep, a lot of those were games that we wanted him. Jack Bostock obviously did well. - You were not a believer. Yeah, you weren't a believer. - Seems like, I thought he would do better, 'cause there were like a whole bunch of cheapies that you could have picked up. Jack Bostock was in there. It was just that we thought we had all these second rowers we could stitch up, right? Like, you know, all along the way, none of them panned out, but Jack Bostock, he got off to a fly this season. - Yeah, he went up to nearly 500K for a while there. - That's it. So if you got out, if you got in early 300s, you walked out around nine, which is a pretty good timeline at four to nine. So you're probably selling the week after. No, you'd sell them the week that he got the 14C. You'd probably get 467, so would have made 160K. So, and look, he's, so I think you'd be happy there. Now you talking about Jerry Marshall King this year. How did he go? - He's averaged a 45 for the year now. I sort of said, if he can fix up his missed tackles, he'll be better prior, 'cause he was in the five or 3.4 missed tackles, which is what he's averaged this year, but yeah, he just hasn't been able to quite get there, really, and then he sort of been mucked around the back end of the year. So let me just filter out some of those. Even when he's played over 70 minutes, he's averaged 49. There you go. So, yeah, still missing a few tackles, even though they've got a pretty strong middle. So anyway, I said Herbie Farmworth was a real bust. - Oh, mate. Yeah, this is probably your biggest wrong one of the year, since I saw that I'm like, actually, you know what, 'cause he, Herbie Hamworth, Herbie Farmworth, is currently worth 807K. - Yeah, he's gonna be more at the end of the year too, with that break even. - Yeah. He's our top, top scoring center. Only center to crack out a century from my memory. Oh, no, Brad, I'm bested at once. - Well, he's got 110, he's got 94, and he's got 99. Like, that's great. - Yeah, that's it. He's just getting fed good ball. - Yeah. - So, he did miss a few games with injury, but once he got fit again, like, yeah, if you held him through that period, you would have enjoyed some very good scores. If you got on him, and this is the problem, he never really dipped, right? He got down to like 599 at one point. That's about it, right? - Yeah, it always felt like you're paying too much for me. - He did, but if you got on then, you'd be absolutely laughing 'cause you picked up some amazing scores. He's run since he's come back from injury. He's been even better. Like, it's averaging pretty much 60. - Yeah, plus, yeah, for sure, for sure. - So anyway, so don't sleep on Herbie next year, but he may not obviously be able to score as well again. - Yep. - All right, doggies, one I think I got right, which I kind of enjoyed, right? Karaz. So he's one of the few players that I've kept all the way through. Still in my squad, still playing this week. He's averaging 49. So, as we said at the beginning of year that we wanted to find guys with close to 10 points of value. So, fringe keeper. So we said he averaging 47.3 center, and he's averaged 49 for the unique. Wing and center, it's performing well. - Yep. - So-- - Nailed it. - Absolutely nailed it. All props to you, mate. - That's it. Sam Hughes, who we said was an absolute lock, which it's funny. We thought we'd be maxking 2.0, but he was not. So he was plotted 2.0, but he did get us some money eventually, right? Even if we had to wait our sweet time for it. - I didn't get him. - Yeah. - Yep. - And then, Liam Knight, I said, there might be 10 points for the way there. There was not, but he didn't start. So none of us really worried about him. And then Kurt Mann is like for the full utility and was to be a bust. Now, Kurt Mann, we kind of slept on a bit along the way. Now, the only issue, Nick, obviously he was so in and out busted, right? - He was. And he was off the bench, he was starting. He was getting 15 minutes, he was getting 40. It was just too difficult. He's Kurt Mann's season summed up. Five games, three missed. Four games missed. Two games in a buy, two missed. And then he played the game in a buy. - He's playing waltz game in the season, but nothing to, you know, his lost money over that period, right? - That's it. So he's not quite the guy. So I think we've got that one, right? Now, mate, one of your best ones to season, Manny Burton. - Oh, yeah. I said, look, I think he can be a high 50s guy. This year, and it was pretty brutal for most of the year, especially when Fogarty got out to a really good start now. He's average 53 for the year, which is solid. But really, if you look, you know, the scores towards the back end of the year from around 17 to 10 onwards, 60s, 70, like just really good scores when I'm knee to them. So I had to be really patient though. That dog is attack has been pretty frustrating to watch. Most of the year, until it sort of they sort of added more to it. Obviously, they were keeping it simple, focusing on the defense and then I didn't say attack anyway. - They worked in how to go right, eventually. - Well, they're working out the combinations as well, like who was going to play on the right and they've eventually settled on Sexton and they're full back Tracy and, you know, it was just being a bit of a shuffle throughout the year. - Drew Hutchinson, I said, I don't see the dogs making Burton the less dominant half, unless they're moving them out of the house altogether. So there was a speculation that maybe Burton should be playing center and I said, no way. Like, I think Mitch was saying as well, he's the center, like he shouldn't be playing part of eight. So, has to have to switch, yep. - No, it's funny. I said there were really good points available for Parkinson, if he was the dominant half, it turned out he wasn't, so we just sold him, right? It'd make you think of money. - Yeah, yeah, we didn't lose our shirt, but yeah. So Josh Corrin, he's average 46. I said he was a boom, projecting that, basically 50. So 46 versus 50 is pretty close. You know, he's been moved around from front row, second row lock into change. He's just one of those guys. I think he's a dude, I'm going to bring him into my team next year for us, just as a DPP. There's a dude that's going to get all his way on the park and bang out of 45 to 50, you know, just really solid. Sort of dude. And ultra available this year too. Parkinson's area, I said, could be a wrecking ball with a low 40s average, and what has he got? Oh, 33. Oh yeah, did not know that one. - Who's this? - Jerry, yes. But look, he's been great as far as game goes, right? His ability to put some speed on. The issue is that he just hasn't necessarily broken out in this tech, because the way they've been structuring it differently, so that's fine. It's plus he didn't get the spot early, so none of us really hopped on. - Yep, Fred and Marnie, which has been the bane with many people's fantasy teams when they brought him in and then he started to have his slump. What do I say? I said he could be a high 40s guy. He's average 50. - Yeah, that's what, yeah, we were right. Yes, he's had a few slow weeks, right? He did, when he picked up the shoulder injury, right? You can see it, right, around around 21, he really had that form slump. And look, it's been frustrating as he's also scored 1,100 plus points this year for your squad. Anyone scoring 1,100 points for your squad? You leave him alone. - Yeah, I agree. - So, yeah, you start on 5.80. Yes, you could have got out at 7.21, but there were so few choices, right? It's just, leave him alone. - Yeah, he's going immense. Yeah, I think you're unlucky. I think you're unlucky if you got him in round 20 or something. - Oh, for sure, if you paid peak price for him, right? - Yeah. - But, yeah. - Which is what a lot of people have done. - Oh, I heard him fan in for longer, so. - Yeah, Stu, you said Adam Reynolds was an avoid. I think, I think I was right. Overall, even though he's been injured a lot of the year, just even if you've held him, he hasn't been great this year anyway when he has played. So, you know, like some really low scores there for a guy who should have a really high score, you know? - Yeah, no, he's at the end of his career, so he's an avoid there. And I was also talking about Reese Walsh. Basically, that his performances were down against the good side, so. And that the Broncos had an early tough draw, which kind of did hurt to hit their system. Now, Walsh was one of those guys who obviously, you know, excluding the injuries 'cause he can't pick those right now. Like it's the first time getting busted. He did come out of the Bronx pretty well until he got absolutely massacred round three against the Panthers. Taylor very special. And so, look at that. - He had clashed, or the shoulder bed? - He had clashed. - He had clashed. - Yeah, that's right. - He had hit you for a while. - That's it. So, if you have a look at it, so. - He can't grade this year, actually. Looking through scores. So, he certainly had some really great performances and he scored it to absolute ton of tries. He just has not been healthy. So, he didn't play a fixture for his club between rounds 12 and 18. - Yeah, he's average 50 for the year. - Yeah, so, he's being great there. Look, I'm high on him. 100% high on Reese Walsh. It's just the knocks that he takes because people know that if you flatten him, and he's not the biggest body, he just takes it and he does not hide it well, Nick. Like, you know how some players can be busted and they can kind of try and hide it a bit, or at least, like, play through it. Like, he's just out there basically looking like he's literally dying. So, they're just targeting him more. So, he's just, his long-term prognosis for next year. Like, he's gonna be priced pretty handsomely next year, too, unfortunately. - Yeah, I'll get him, I think. Next year, for sure. It's based on what he's done this year. I think he's definitely gonna be gone. You gotta get it for Winkful back. - Yeah, Nick, your prediction of the year here for Brendan Peacura. - Probably here as if he gets 80. I said, we'll have to wait and see what his minutes are, but it's clear he's not a fantasy star. - He was not a fantasy star. My God. - And then you follow up with a shock at mate, which is that Haas is a great ram and pick up and can hold for the whole season. - I don't think anyone can hold for the whole season, mate. - Yeah, yeah, well, it's just unlucky, isn't it? - It is. - Okay, I'm to the dragons. - Oh, yeah, dragons, if I remember studying his niche, he's an outright bi. And look, when he starts, marinade is still producing great results. The issue is, he's set. - Yeah. - Yeah, I'd happily take that one 'cause he pumped out some great scores. So. - Yeah, I'm just checking, one sec. - 52, when he started this year. - Oh, wow, yeah, second row. - So when he starts in the second row, he's average 52 this year. So he's absolutely stud. The issue is that he's been off the bench, he's been here, he's been there. So because he's not in the mix, he's just, he's not the guy. And I got it wrong on low max. Yes, it is a void for the start of the season and it took to watch him because he just didn't know, right? Where it be at? But he came out of the blocks. He came out of the blocks and he's just slapped at the entire Zac Lomax. He's priced at 49. He's average is 51, essentially. - Yeah, he got the century. - He's a virgin. Yeah, he's been immense. - Yeah. So he's put together a number of decent scores this year. The fact that he's got so many 50s and 60s plus scores has been testament to how well he's been playing this year. So it's been an absolute career for him. - Mate, 2.2 errors a game. That is so many. I thought he would cut them down 'cause I think last year he had still like huge amounts of errors as well. He had 1.6 errors last year and I was saying you need to cut them down. But now he's playing on the wing, he's getting like pushed into touch. He's dropping balls over the line, you know. - Yeah, and some of them they can as errors because he's going for those high kicks though. Remember? - It's no good stance, yeah. - And so they can as like a knock on and it's like, but Mate, that's fine. 'Cause if you look at the history otherwise, enormous. - That's not a drop ball. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And Mate, another great was one for you. He said Jacob Little apparently was a boom. - Well, yeah, if he gets the ball lady, he's a layup. So, but we knew that. I just couldn't do it. I just felt it's too fragile. That's why I just didn't jump on, but I should have, should have I suppose. - Yeah, I got lucky picking up. - Yeah, Carl Flanagan, I said, I can see him in 10 points a day. I think from now on, I don't think, I think I'm going to get more talented players. Like Carl Flanagan's solid, but he's not overly talented. If you're not drinking the whole milkshake, like Jamal Fogarty is, you just can't be in the fantasy team and score well. So, yeah, Mate, I've dropped the ball with the next one, Jack DeBellen. I was really hoping he would be my pod mid captain averaging in the 60s. And he's just been a shell this year. Like he's looked slow. He's been dropped to the bench, you know. - Oh, look. And Flanagan was to play a particular way. And so you just end up with certain results for him. So yeah, he's certainly at least. - Averaged 47 for the year when I was expecting 60. So literally like 15 points off there. So, oh, well, I went for the upside and that's just the way it is. - All right. So the storm. Now, I've, I said, perhaps must have his starting. And look, he did start a cave and then he got busted as Pappenhausen. Unfortunately, he, I'm not saying he's in my never again basket, but the- - In your mind, yeah. - The fact that he, he just, he, he caught that injury in, I want to say it's around nine. And he just didn't come back. And when he has been there, he's just completely relied on tries to. So I'm, I'm struggling to find my way to Pappen's next year. - Yep. - I also sit with Keir Munster. I'd rather take four goodie for a hundred K less, which I was glad I was right on. Munster also being busted. Katoa, Ellie Katoa. It's not all right, boom, Mr. Knits, the 10 points of value, but he's close to keeping edge play who won't play Origin. I think that was one of the better ones that I've played through this year, 'cause I got Ellie Katara and he just kept on, like, I don't think he's made any money this evening, but he's just produced consistently decent scores. - Solid, available, no Origin. Yeah, really, really good pickup. - That's it first game. He's played 21 games this year next week. We'll have played 22 out of the 24, right? - Yep. - So thank you very much. Average 52, thank you. Sean Blaw, I think it's like the 10 points are very there. And then you're shifting towards the keeper edge. So Sean Blaw, I think he did okay for a while, but he was a bit in and out, so not as good option for us there. Now, here you go, Nick. You also pick this one to a T, your own pews. - Well, I was a bit wrong. I said, hopefully you can pick him up on a cheap after round 13 by it. Now, he wasn't cheap, but he would have been a great pickup. So from round 14 onwards, he's pumping out 60s, 70s, 50s, a couple of 40s along the way, but he's been absolutely immense this year. So his price hasn't moved for some reason, but he's just been absolutely excellent. I think great holds. I only missed a couple of, so if you picked him up round 14, he had two buyers gone. So you basically had on the rest of the year, it's just been an absolutely wonderful ride. So really happy with that one. - I picked up him and Katoa that round. So they've been good. - Yep. - Apart from last week from my head-to-head finals, lucky to be around who played me. - Yep. - Yeah, I was thinking, "Oh, they'll get the five round 27." It's like a list, I'll make it through there. It's like, "Nope." - Mate, you were high on Jamal Fogarty heading into the year, and you said it could fall flat, but there is value potential there, which is rare for existing halves in 2024. Now, when you think about Fogarty this year, just unlucky with the injury, yeah? 'Cause he was one of great guns. - He was going great guns, and I guess you got all the points early, right? So those guys who came out of the blocks early, who had him, right? - Yeah. - He did great, so there's absolutely nothing which I'm off already. You can't pick those sort of injuries, 'cause he just picked up sort of a really bad one, right? But you cannot pick up a bicep detach, right? So if you look at the games that he played, he was averaging in the game before he got injured, he's averaging mid-60s. - Yeah, around 60, yeah. - Yeah, and so, yeah. Nothing there. - You made it 100 odd Kaye just doing excellent when you had to sell 130 Kaye, yeah. - That's it. So look, he could still do the same thing next year, but he issues his price at 52, so. - Well, he's really tight that since he's come back, hasn't he? So he's been 30s, 40s, like. - Well, the team has been down a little bit, they've been running around a little bit, and obviously he's been rejoining his team, but he surely can still turn it on, but he probably just needs a bit of time, right? - Yeah, he's gonna be excellent next year, I think. He's definitely proved that he can be that 60s type of guy with gold kicking kickmares. - Yeah. - Pretty efficient tackler as well, so, yeah, pretty good. - Yeah. Now, Strange, I said if it's centered, he's only buying time for Chris, and it turned out that he was starting 5/8, so I was wrong there, so. - It was, it's funny 'cause he said he's buying time for Sam Chris, it was like, oh geez, Sam Chris has been a trainer for people. - Oh, let's get on Sam Chris. No, he's gone absolutely backwards. - I said, I said, get on Kofert, Nick Kofertrick, easy pick up for a bench center. - Oh, we made it. And then he only played like four games this year, what a waste. - Yeah. - Next one. - Next one, he got right two before another injury, guy that came through, sack husking. - Oh, yeah, I just said buy if he's starting. That's pretty obvious one, so. Onto Manly, mate. Josh Schuster, he said if he doesn't start round one, avoid and use him as a cash down option when he does join. - And he never joins, so problem solved. Get him his cash down option at south next year. - Yeah, exactly. - Might be starting second row or 5/8 there, Benny. - Now, Stu, the next one, Daily Chair Evans, he said, don't get Daily Chair Evans. Do you think you were correct with that one? - I think it was 100% correct with that one. So, Cheza played Origen, had a down year, historically, because Luke Brooks is there doing more. Like, he was doing absolutely everything with Josh Schuster there and no turbo, right? It turbo back and no Josh Schuster. So, all the things, conditions which get, got Cherry Evans to like top, top two, top three, weren't quite there. And it's average 53 for the year, which is great, but if you're within a point of jammer foggy, right? So, if I-- - We averaged chicken ball last year, just to give it some context, so-- - Yeah, so-- - And he was absolutely priced like it. So, if we have a look here in SJ, both this had sort of those final year declinations. So-- - Indeed, that's exactly right. - Just so we got it here, like I'm just, let's put this out here. For active players this week, just so you can put this at it, the top averaging player for this year is Ozayo, right? - Yeah. - The total point scored is also Ozayo, and then Adam Fennell Blake, who's finished for the year, but he's the second top points, sorry. Tarpone, Cook, Barnet, Kerrigan, Colomatang. It's all these middles, right, for feeder. Burton, which you've held onto this year, Nick, he is, if I'm not right, he is the top scoring for overall points for a half. - You have been finishing that. - Keem McKinnis, Tedesco, Marnie. So, Marnie is the second top hooker behind Damian Cook, who you couldn't pick for a while. - Yep. - Tyrell May has scored more points than the rest guys. The next top half behind Maddy Burton, right? Is Dylan Brown, and Dylan Brown has scored more points than Daily Cherry Evans. - That's insane. - So, that's where we were at. - That's right with injuries, isn't it? - That's it, and Jerome Hughes, obviously, is slightly behind those guys, too, so. - Yeah, right. - Alec, so, if you're talking about some of these players who start off the season with, they might not have got you those centuries like those really big games that you remember, but look at Corey Jensen. You could have picked up Corey Jensen this year. If you picked him up round one, he would have got you at an average of 46, but because he's played so many flipping games, he would have scored you, I'm just trying to find his total number of points here, 1,070 points. - Yeah, I think anecdotally, I think the averages are just down this year. - Yeah, you would have made 250K. - Well, the question is, is that a result of just overall averages sort of being down? Is that a result of the best talent being injured all year? Or is that a function of the rules oscillating to a point where there's just less scoring? Maybe like the pace that slowed down a little bit or? - Oh, possibly. It's also just the number of people that have, yeah, just been absolutely massacred by the season. - Yeah, less talent. Yeah, less talent, yeah. I'm leaning that way, too. - 'Cause if you look at the averages, so you look at the total points, but then if you look at the average per game, right? That's where they start to change up a little bit. - We'll have to have a look at it 'cause we've got some of that data, so we'll have to have a look at it. - Well, suddenly you start putting in there that look, LaTrell was averaging near 60, pain tasks, 61, period 65. Like some of these guys were just averaging out of the park, but they just busted Camaro 55, like just some guys like that. - That's low, though. That's low. Like those guys are usually 60s, like last year. You know, there was 70s. - Yeah, but yeah. More 60s and 70s. - Yeah, though, you've got to take the injury game. So Heinz has had two injury games in there. Clearly he's had three injury games, so he's gone off midway through a game in that 64. - Sure. - So. - Okay. Brookes, you said, was an avoid, which is correct. He would not have made a good pickup. Garrick, I said consistency would be a problem if he gets a go in the sentence and it's not worth a punt for round one. I think that's just about right. I don't think Garrick was, did Garrick not want that? - Garrick was priced very high round once he priced at 639. His price dropped. Most people got in mid-550s, right? And then you sort of fit him back up and down the train. So, he's obviously had a couple of down weeks, but he's had a couple of head knocks and then he can't do it. - Yep. Yeah, he's been great and frustrating. I said, don't let me. - That's it. So, Tommy Tullau, look, I agree with you on that one. So we said get Kotrick, but we were wrong. I didn't say get Kotrick, but I said, Tommy Tullau sucked. Apparently, the West Tigers sucked more than Tommy Tullau did. - Yeah, that's great. But, I thought I said he could generate money, which he did, which is good. Now, Turbo, I said if you get him and get him round one and hold him until round 13. Now, I think that was the right play. I think that's the right play with those sort of risky players. It's just getting them round one. And if you have to trade them out, trade them once, don't get them back. You know? I got Turbo back and I got Papanos and back and I regret it. - Onto the Warriors, do you? You said Tohu by during the dip, if possible. Unfortunately, there was no dip to buy. It just sort of faded away and then he was good. - Yep. Rockaberry has said it, look elsewhere. And Mack Half has avoided. And Mack Half did his leg early enough in the season that look we couldn't really hop on. So, Mack Half is the guy, however, that I've kind of got some interest in next year because it looks like he may be the dominant half. - Yep. Roger, to have asked to check, I had a bonus for early in the year. That is definitely not there anymore. He averaged 38 for the year when I thought he'd average 49. So, that was 11 points off, which was stupid. - Reverse boom. - I said, yeah, well, that's SJ. I said you're buying a peak pricing. - Oh, we did. - So, we nailed that one. And seeing Kay, we said not much about you. Go get Papso Campbell, you know, not great advice, but still said don't touch him. - Oh, well, look Kay. - Kay, Cabo was a good one. And look, Paps was doing better than him as well earlier in the season. And Chance missed the first four games of the season. So, it didn't really matter anyway. - Yeah. - He did kind of the blocks pretty good early, but then he then took a dive. - He was gone. - Yeah, he was gone for a while there, wasn't he? - Yeah, it wasn't a pinky there or something at the beginning and then. - Yeah, that's it. So, look, not much to do there with Chance, so not many people have had him. So, Chippinua. - Another Chuck, thank you. - Yeah, I said Chippinua should be okay if he got the long-term starting edge, but he did not. So, our fault there. I got it right on Angus for a simple win, Angus, if he gets the second round position is fit, he's a screaming by it, and he turned out to be a screaming by Nick. Most people made, what, 400k on him? - Yep. - Something close to it, somewhere between three to 400. One, I got massively wrong. So, Turner and I said, "Cheese has a pathway that near 10 points worth value." So, let me just, the tail of bread. - Yeah, don't worry, don't worry, let's move on. It's a write off. - So, well, yeah, he started off all right. Yeah, he did, he started off all right, but then he just fell off, just absolutely fell off with injuries, and it's just injuries, and then he's coming back half-cooked. So, if you look at him early, 47, 39, 44, 49, 34, 65 against the Knights, and then gets busted. So, we got 24, 24, 17, misses a game, 26, 29, 24, like they're just cut his minutes, cut his position, everything else on the outer. And then it finally, near the end of the year, it looks like he's picking it up again, like in the middle of the year, gets busted. - He's got some wind charging, yeah. - That's it, and then obviously ACL out. So, yeah, avoid for a while. Spence a linear, avoid unless we have no other options. I was right there. Apparently, he couldn't keep his mouth to himself in some mistake weeks. Well, we're definitely by if he gets an edge, I was wrong. So, the rooster's-- - But I love the tail of the wall. (laughs) - That's it. Now, Dom Young, he said, "Great wing of it, not much value." You're probably right there, too. - Yeah, probably. I mean, look. - Started high, he was coming off that night's boom-y. - Yeah, 550. Then he got the minus 12. - Yes. - So, that's the story of Dom Young for the year, basically. Minus 12, and then pretty good after that, but, you know, you would have to be in pretty balls to jump on him. So, during money, I said if he's anywhere but sinners, he needs to be on your team. Unfortunately, we only got him in the centers this year, mate. So, that was a bit disappointing with Teddy not playing Origin and not really getting injured, either. So, didn't get to enjoy that this year. Joey Silly, I really messed this one up. I had him pegged for, like, 38, sort of, score. And he's been 35 for the year. - No, you were fine with him there. It was just that he also then copped a suspension in a couple of injury games. Like, it's just, you start adding those together. It adds a pretty ugly story, right? - Yeah, well, I thought he'd average 38 without the, oh, what's it called? Without the goal-kicking. - Yeah. - Now, that was just pretty wrong, so, anyway. - And look, you do have to, you do have an injury-affected minus two in there, as well, so. - Yeah, well, I won't make the mistake next year 'cause he won't be available, which is good. Now, Teddy, we said it would be a spicy choice from one and not crazy to think you could average mid to high 50s all year with a really good versus quad. I think that's completely correct. I think that might be 100% correct. What do you keep on the average? 55, that's awesome. - Yeah, you do correct my text on. - Okay, on to the Tigers, Stu, you thought that safe path could be the starting lock with Scott trying to get their own corporate as I, yo. - Well, that's what the early season now was. And look, look up Alex safe paths average when he's a starting player. Like, he did start as lock, he was not very good, but just as a starting player overall, especially second row. - Yeah. - So, like, he averages mid 50s, right? When he starts, and he just, he cannot get a start. Whatever isn't, the club doesn't love him, they don't trust him. And so he just gets cut minutes and he's done. Whereas the games for his starts, mid 50s. So, frustrating. On the plus side, lucky Galvin, obviously will look, there's no benefit to saying he was a boom there. And he's starting half at 230k, you get it. - Oh, you called it, you called it. Pretty precise, you said, got to get him. - That's true. Excellent. And I said, if AP is the primary goal, we could see mid-season, mid-average 50s for AP. I'm not sure we quite saw that, but I think that was due to the number of times that he got binged. So, let's have a look at AP this year. Yeah, I was 10 points off on that. So, my apologies to the people, including myself, who hopped on. - Well, that's the thing, at least you followed your own advice. - That's the following my own advice. I will not be doing that again for AP. I was following off the year before we really did come home with the wet sail in the halves. - Yep. - But the Tigers have just not been good enough to see. They've really sucked. So, it's just a point of being a Tigers fan, and... - So, we'll stick to good players on good teams. Not just good players. - Well, you can have good players on bad teams like Cam Murray, but they've got to be the sort of guys who end physical specimens. - They got to be Cam Murray. - Well, that's what I mean. It's like Cam Murray is a physical specimen. He's an elite, you have to have at least two of the three elite team things, right? So, you've got to have a elite talent, elite physical fitness, or being like on an elite team getting good ball, right? So, you know, seeing outside a great half, like Clearer getting good ball. So, if you, I reckon you've got to have at least two of those three things to be worth spending big money on. - Agreed. All right. - So, more or less, pay new. I said definitely want to pick up if there's injury to sort of what it was, right? So... - Me, everyone made 150 on him. - Mate, you called Kayleiro. You said it should be in all your teams at 230K with a great pedigree, minimal risk, cash-wise, you know. That made... - I see Nick O'Hines was a must for the origin period for capital C purposes. Now, that was, was that correct? - No, it wasn't 'cause he was busted and he was dropped and all the rest, but not much due to his fault. Like, the way that the season's gone mate, I'm not holding you responsible for the massive series of injuries. All we can hope for with Nick O is that Brad and Trindall hops in another car and gets cooked again. - Mate, I don't understand how he's still playing anyway. - Trindall. - Yeah. - Nick O. - Yeah. - Nick O. - Gave him. - He's better than you. No, just to spend him for the rest of the year and then say come back next year or something like that's just... - Oh, the fantasy would have been great for you. - Yeah, here you go. Last team mate for a preseason preview reviews that we did. - Yeah. - Carter, you felt was five points of eight. No, he's one of my big regrets selling. Why don't I sell him? I'm so annoyed. - Well, we sold him for Origin, which was right. - I don't think so though. He played really well for Origin. - He did, but-- - He kept backing up. Then he'd be like... (sighs) - So he's played 20 games for an average of 49. So-- - Excellent. - You've done all right, so the last three games is average 35, so not as much as you'd like. - Oh yeah, but before that, like still pumping out 65, 76, 64 through that Origin period, like that went really handy. - Yeah, true. So-- - I missed out on those. It's all so annoying. - Yeah, I was just like Ed said, essentially, you'd probably need to sell them at some point just to do their schedule. Homes being premium choice if you want a good center. So he was one of the top three centers this year, and he fell home, so that was okay. He hasn't absolutely knocked out of the park this year, Val. But the fact that if you invest in him in the year and you held him for the entire time, I'm not sure that you really regret much there, right, Nick? So-- - I'm up against him this week and I'm not looking forward to it. - Yeah, that's 1030 points for him, right? From 21 games played. So he's pretty much only missed the Origin games and this as far as things go. - Yeah. - Always backed up. So I think... I am sorry, a couple of restings in there. Then I said avoid, yep, so which was right. And Finnefua's looks to be weapon on edge, but you know, Chuck Astar, I think, we all made a little bit of money off Finnefua's Arkie to cover that mid-season crunch, Nick. - Yep, yep, yep, it was great. I was really happy with him. - Now, let's talk about one of the guys who's been a bit of an underrated score this year, but Scotty Drinkwater, man. I believe that he is one of the top three scoring wing fullbacks this year. - Yeah, he's, I think the main thing with Drinkwater is that the Cowboys have sort of been under the radar and he's just been chugging along. Like he's averaging 48 for the year, that's... - So these year it's pretty good. - Yeah, so it's just been really good to have him all year. No origin and available and... - So he's the top five scoring wing fullbacks this year. So we got to desk going 11.46, Coraz 11.27, Coraz 11.27, Scotty Drinkwater 11.11. - Really? - And Zachalomax 1000 points behind it, 2016. - And Tommy Turbo 9.47. So Scotty Drinkwater is within 30 points of the top scoring wing fullback this year. - Yeah, the non-origin guns, like your Joe Tarponay, for example. You know, those guys are just really, really nice to have. And I think Scotty Drinkwater sort of falls in that basket now. - You know what? I want to take a screenshot of some of this, Nick. 'Cause it kind of, you know, when people talk about the game theory, right? 'Cause obviously there's value, which is perfect. But then once you transition that value, you know, we would talk about like transitioning a value to other guys, you know, around 6, 7, 8, you start selling. I feel like as dumb as it sounds, trying to sell some of these non-origin guns on the cheap, right? And you just pick up the rest of the year of those nice... - Or even just not a terrible value, like, you know? Like, even if you're buying like a, not like 20% discount, maybe like about what they would have been at the beginning year. But if you can get them, like, it should be happy, right? - Yeah, that's it. So like, you know, Scotty Drinkwater started the year. Now, if I remember correctly, his price was pretty high, though, he was, he was 715. - Yep, yep. - So, look, and you couldn't have picked him up for much of a discount. But if you did transition him around 13, he would have picked him up at 630, right? - That was great, yep. - And so you could have just ridden that through and picked up some decent scores. What an amazing, but they were decent. - They should have been better, 'cause the Cowboys are just a bit disappointed this year. So theoretically, it should have been better. - Yeah, disappointing for a team coming sixth, yeah. - Well, they should be top 14. Like, that squad is ridiculous. They're a great team. Yeah, from Chad. - Yep. - Yep. - Now, Reese Robson, another guy who's the Heartback Curse this year, Nick? - Yeah, I don't know what to think of Reese Robson. I've avoided him, but I know, I know holders weren't that disappointed in the end, basically. But he just kept turning up and... - All we're averaging almost 50. It's the, it's the post origin. I think this is the thing is that these guys get beaten up so much over origin period right, Nick. - Like a style player, yeah. Playing 80 minutes. - That's... - Original, you know, you know. - That's it. So, he's hasn't dropped off entirely. It's just been low to mid 40s, much like last year comes out of the box harder, right? And then just kind of quietens off a little bit as the season takes its toll on his body. - Yeah, that's happened to a few guys dealing their words, things like that, right? So... - I do a percent. - Yep. - So, and that's the full review I think, you know, lots to cost a ponder as we head into next year in lessons to learn and things like that. But I think I'm pretty, pretty alright, like... - Mate, we're winning the podcaster's league. So, which is great to be there and out of the various weeks there. So, we are ahead by a pretty good amount on top of the other guys. So, beating Jamie Bran and casual athletes guys in the three blokes podcast. So, all doing well there, keeping up for the team, right? First and second. - Yeah, well, I think we should have held on to our trades a bit better than everyone else. I mean, you know, my team might cut the bed this week, but hopefully, hopefully can hang on to the lead, at least in this particular league, so. - That's it. - Yeah, exactly. - And I think some people didn't transition like the one I got off to a good start early, but they didn't keep on grinding the value out of the squads. - Yep. - So, and holding on to the origin place between them. - Yeah, chasing points, yeah, around the bay, yeah. - That's it. Now, alright. So, this is your next, so thank you for a great year. - Thanks, mate. - It's good to have you back this year after your last year hires with new baby time. - Yeah, mate, I imagine I was about to say, mate, this would probably be the last time you hear from you for a little while, because you're going to have a new baby, probably like, what, three, four months old, the next time we start podcasting? - Yeah, so I'm due my third child at the end of November, so I have a brand-spanking newborn, which is, you know, if you have kids, you know, like newborns and sleep and things like that and waking. So, yeah, see how we go. I'm hoping to be back beginning next year, but I can't guarantee anything, so we'll just have to work it out and see how we're going at the time, I think. - That's it. - I'll definitely put the analysis in at least with the reviews and pre-season stuff, though. - That's it, pre-season is where the old fun happens. - Yep. - And look, like to thank you guys, the listeners, without people listening, we would just be talking to each other, which is still enjoyable, but, you know, it's certainly less structured than it currently is, and look, we appreciate your listening, your feedback, your comments are good and bad, mostly good, which we appreciate your questions, so thank you for keeping up, making this questions podcast actually a really enjoyable year, so I've really enjoyed answering some really good questions and just being able to have a chat about players, right, Nick? - Yeah, no, it's been, it's been really good. Yeah, we've had a different sort of year. We're doing the questions mainly with the amateurs' guys, which has been a lot of fun, and they're a bunch of awesome dudes, so, yeah, it's been really good, really appreciate sort of the collaboration we've put together this year, it's been really fun. - It has been, so, I can a little bit this, and not having to call that 272 player names each week, which is 17 players by 16 clubs each week for his playing. - I think a hard call this is who remember like the two hour, two and a half hour podcast of going through really getting all the team lists and, yeah, analyzing as many players as possible, we put in like so much prep and all that sort of stuff, so yeah, it's definitely been a refreshing year to, you know, just sort of keep the analysis and all that sort of stuff going, but not having to lift the whole load, so it's been really good, I think. - That's it. All right, so we will be back next year guys, so we will get our pre-season stuff, so sometime in January, always the app opens sometime around Christmas, which is when my wife loses me for six to eight weeks, as I start building squads, we'll go from there. The, also like to say big thanks to our guest host this year, so we've actually had quite a few this year, so we have had Valent who's joined us, especially for the first large chunk of the year, so thank you, Belent, and hopefully-- - Did you win? - Yeah, that's it, dude. You see, stop talking to us after a little while, so maybe we were at a welcome, right? - Yep, I would say. - That's it. - Otherwise, it'd be Belent, thanks. - Ah, mate, Belent went much like their season, which was started off pretty good, and then, you know, it's all gone by the end of the year, mate. - Mm-hmm, perfect. - So, Austo, mate, thanks for joining us. James, Mark, Rob, and Ryan from the Tuesday podcast, especially the week that they held when we were all away, so thank you guys, as well as when you've joined us on the pod. And obviously to our co-host, Mitch, who has missed most of the year, and so you're an honorary guest member this year as well. So, the image. - Well, as we gave a plug a while ago, but if you're in this, what area is that there? - If you're in this, yeah, if you're in this George area, around Mordell. - Yeah, check out. - Yep, check out the corner physio, Mitch's new business, which is startup, which is keeping it extremely occupied. But he's a really excellent physio. He's helping me with a couple of things. I know he's helped Stu heaps. He really is excellent. So, if you need any physio or anything like that, women's health, bike fittings, masseuse, anything like that, programs, if you want to get jacks, if you want to get out of there. - Yeah, rehab an injury like an old one like I do, so all the time. So, all of those issues, guys, you need something fixed. You just want a proper good workout that won't see you busted 12 weeks in, that type of thing. So, exactly right. And so, thank you, thank you to them. And obviously, just one last time, thank you all for listening. And I think that's us next. So, this is the boom or bust, General Fantasy Amateurs Questions Club 2024, signing out. (cheering) - Thanks for listening today, and I hope you enjoyed our collaboration. Please make sure to subscribe to the podcast and check out Facebook pages for more info. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music)