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That's linkedin.com/results. Terms and conditions apply. Linkedin, the place to be. BBC Sounds. Music, radio, podcasts. Mustwatch from BBC5 Live. Hello there and welcome to Mustwatch. Haley Campbell and I are back to review the biggest TV releases. Nagam and Shetty is offered this week. We are with Layla Nafu. She'll be here in a moment. Hello, Haley. Hello, where are you? I am in Spain. And the reason why I am opening the podcast, rather than usual, is because when I tried to do it the first time, I was a bit glitchy for a couple of minutes. And we thought, let's take the out of the podcast and try again. It sounded like you were falling from a bathroom. It's better now. Is it better? Slightly. You might still... There's like a tiny little bit of bathroom still remaining. Wonderful. What a tease for a whole hour's worth of television, recommendations and analysis than that. Come on, we broadcast from worst places. I don't think we've literally done it from a bathroom yet. But that definitely will happen. Brilliant. What are we reviewing this week? We've got the latest series of slow horses on Apple TV Plus and the perfect couple on Netflix. What else have we got? And we are also reviewing for later season of John Simms, Detective Show Grace on ITV. So, yes, I'm in Spain. I am wearing a vest, which is a must-watch first. I've worn a vest on must-watch before. You just couldn't see it because I was in a cupboard. Oh, I see. Okay. Great. Shall we continue on with the rest of the podcast? I think we better. Okay. Well, let's just also remind everybody that we are going to be here again at one o'clock. It's only the second week that we've been doing this at one o'clock on a Monday. Naga was here last week. I'm here this week. So, we're all kind of feeling our way through. We're going to be discussing the latest TV releases, basically getting recommendations just so everyone's clear on what to watch this week. I want to just start with kind of full disclosure that I am totally at the stage of my life where TV has taken a backseat. So, actually, in a way, I'm like the target audience for this. For this lot, basically, I need some targeted recommendations of what to -- how best to spend my very limited TV time. So, yeah, I'm super super glad that you're both here to discuss. So, I just wanted to quickly pick your brains because did you guys hear the interview I did with Catherine Harn? A little bit. Yes, it was really good. Oh, well, thank you. But no, I mean, she was so brilliant. I just love listening to her. I just -- have you -- are you Marvel fans? Not really, but I am a Catherine Harn fan. Yeah. I really like her stuff. She's been in so many different things, hasn't she? Yeah, and one of my favorite things was one I saw very recently. She was in a great film that you can watch on Netflix. It's called Private Life. And she's in it with Paul Giamatti. Everyone loves Paul Giamatti. But it's about a couple in their 40s trying to conceive through IVF. And it's really funny and heartbreaking. And it's one of those movies that no one watched, and then they stuck it on Netflix. So, if you're a Catherine Harn fan, go find that. Scott, what's your favorite, Catherine Harn? I mean, I love her in Parks and Recreation. I thought she was absolutely sensational in that. She kind of comes across as a lobbyist who's thrown into a political campaign and just feels that she's completely above it and has that moral superiority. I think what is a relief about this new series that she's got, Agatha, all along? It feels to be a bit like WandaVision in which it's separate from all of the come plot strands that happened because you don't really keep up to date with Marvel. And you felt that you knew what was going on. Sometimes I feel that you need to have to break down like 14 pages of info to remember exactly where in the Marvel universe you are in at any one point. And it can be amazing for fans, but hugely infuriating if you're just an ordinary member of the public. I think we've stopped reviewing Marvel shows just because it's like, oh, you have to watch 900 years of stuff in order to understand this. Yeah, I did find that as I said, I haven't watched any Marvel before. And it was like, I kind of got it. She seemed like a standalone character in this anyway. But also really interesting to hear her talk about finding her feet and getting more comfortable with herself later in life and getting a bigger break after having kids and also her reflections on those comments by Kate Winslet and her saying that you need to put all your body shame out of the window. As ever, if you have anything that you want to let us know your thoughts on text us 850058, call or WhatsApp us 080085 909693, get in touch with us on social media at BBC5Live. But let us start with this week's must watches. So these are kind of two things. Haley and Scott, you're going to recommend a show that you've seen this week that you think everyone should watch. Haley, should we get some emails? I think you've had a look at some of the emails. Yeah, sure. So there's one from Nikki in Bristol. And she says, "Oh, my days. I just watched three salons at the seaside," which is a documentary I recommended last week. You can find it on iPlayer. What a touching, beautiful, poignant program. Thank you so much for recommending it. I adore programs like this. It was wonderful. I think that it was also you who recommended Storyville was the truffle hunters about the elderly men in Italy's Pygmont forest that search for the rare white albatruffle. That was also a joy to watch. And if available, I cannot recommend it enough. That should still be available on iPlayer through Storyville. And also Nikki says, "Love Chaos. Can you also let us know that the perfect couple on Netflix was superb." I did not see the twists coming. Excellent stuff. Binged it this weekend. We're going to be talking about the perfect couple soon. Well, there's another couple's themed show that you're recommending, Hayley. What's that? I'm recommending this week Couples Therapy on series 4 on iPlayer. And I'm recommending it as it's pretty much the most predictable thing ever because it's the fourth season of a show I love. So, of course, I'm going to mention it. And if you've never seen it before, it's real people going to Couples Therapy. And I initially avoided this when it came out because it sounds awful. I'm completely miserable. Too miserable. Too miserable. I'm just against reality TV shows in general. And, you know, sometimes there'll be a good one that pops up. But usually I'm like, "No, thank you." But this, I completely got it wrong just from its synopsis because this is something else. And I've said on "Mustwatch" before that this show should be prescribed, like, medicine. Because you're watching Couples complain about who does the dishes while actually trying to talk about something else that they're both avoiding. And it's eye-opening. And I think it's crucial information about how to speak to each other. And it's all about the lengths we go to to avoid the truth in our own relationships. And, you know, in reality, Couples Therapy is expensive. And just even watching how other people can get caught in loops and bury what they mean is really helpful to you as a viewer. Like, you're sitting there and you will see stuff that you do in arguments. You'll go, "Oh, that's me." And then you'll see your way out. Oh, my God. That is so brave. I mean, the idea of going to Couples Therapy in the first place, right? That must be a massive step for a couple, let alone, than having a camera on you imagine. I know. I don't know how these people do it. But they, in order to do this show, they do get one of the greatest Couples therapists in the world for free, or Nagarolnik. I'm obsessed with her. But they come in and everyone has these different backgrounds and stories. And it's interesting to see how much a person's past plays out in relationships and how it takes a lot to, you know, undo things or not let it impact how we treat the other person in our life. So it's not only interesting in the sense that you become invested in the stories of these Couples, but I do think it has, you know, kind of profound things to say about yourself. He's teaching us something. It really is, and each season they've got new Couples with all new problems. In the past, there's been an orthodox Jewish couple, there have been trans couples, lesbian couples, gay couples, hetero couples. This season, there's a polyamorous couple. So, honour the therapist has had to put a third chair in the waiting room. It was a big moment. Wow. And I think, I think what's interesting in a dramatic sense about Couples Therapy, as opposed to individual therapy, is that when Couples go to therapy, they're in the middle of a crisis. So there's this sense of urgency and honour the therapist is arriving in the middle of this catastrophe, whatever it is, and trying to sort it out. And some Couples are so mad at each other that all they can do is sit there and gasp or cry. But by watching, they go for 12 weeks. So you do get a whole story. It's not just people talking about the dishes. And this is honestly one of those recommendations where you're just going to have to take my word for it, because nothing I say, "Well, let's make it sound good," but start with Series 1. I love it. Okay. I just think it would be a self-professing prophecy, because if I'm in therapy, and then I know that that will be on TV in six months' time, after that, I would need therapy again. I know. And they would just keep going on. Yeah. You need to know where are they now, right? Yeah. That's the other thing. And I go, "How did it actually end up?" I wonder how many of those Couples are still together. Okay. Scott, what is your pick of the week? So I've got probably the darkest show. I've recommended it feels as if Hailey and I are about to shift. The darkest show. Yeah. The darkest show. It's called The End of the World. Now, the reason why I'm recommending this show is that last week we reviewed chaos, which is spelled K-A-O-S. It's one of the biggest shows on Netflix at the moment. It all delves into Greek mythology. And the reason why I loved it so much was that it was a rarity, I think, in streaming, in which it is a really big Netflix show, huge budget, but the writing is incredibly sharp. It doesn't feel bloated. It's just excellently written and excellently acted. In fact, that's the word. The reason is, and the reason why that is so good is that it comes from someone called Charlie Koval. And the previous show that they did, or one of the previous shows that they did, was The End of the World, which is based on Charlie Falsman's mini comics. It then became a channel for a Netflix show, and it's stars Alex Lawfer. And basically, James is convinced that he is a psychopath, and he kills animals as a hobby. And now he wants to go and kill a person, so he settles on somebody in his school. And she has her own issues, that she's also encountering, she's played brilliantly by Jessica Bardin. And what then follows is this offbeat comedy, dark comedy thriller, that you just is beautiful. It's one of the most original, kind of intimate, but also clever series that I've seen for some time. And I can completely see how Charlie Koval went straight from this, which you can watch on, I think, Netflix, straight to chaos, along with Making True Love, which is another show that Hailey recommended last year. Okay, that sounds really good. Both of you, thank you. Can I just flag that we have an email address, mustwatch@bbc.co.uk, that you can email your show recommendations and your thoughts. We have had some emails in, but do get in touch on that email, mustwatch@bbc.co.uk. If you want to let us know 85058, you can text WhatsApp 08085909693, if you want to get in touch to have your say on anything that we are discussing right now. But let us go to our first review of the day, Scott, let us know what we've got. It is the perfect couple with all six episodes available in Netflix. It stars Nicole Kidman, if you shouldn't Dakota Fanning, and it's based on the book by Ellen Hildebrand. The six-part series follows a couple who are about to have a lavish wedding before it gets cancelled as a body is washed up on the shore. That's right, it's another series about very posh people being spoiled and then having a terrible time. The series is directed by Suzanne Bier, who you might recognise you also did, the night manager, Bird Box, and the undoing. Let's hear a snippet from episode three where the Wimmeries are having a family dinner. Why do you ask people to sign NDAs? Have you a pardon? Why do you ask people to sign legal documents promising they won't talk about what goes on there? Amelia, we talk about it. No, it's all right. It's a lot to get used to. One of the reasons that... What happened to May Pratt? Now, that is a good question. Benji, what is she talking about? May Pratt? Honey. What happened to her? Amelia. Well, if her disappearance had nothing to do with anyone, why ask people to sign NDAs? Yeah, that's so weird. I mean, why can anyone talk about it? Why can't you stop? Benji, would you please ask your fiancé to stop talking? Who are you protecting? Who am I protecting? Okay, I think one is subject out, frankly. Oh, Amelia, breaking those unwritten rules of the kind of extended family dynamic. I mean, Scott, must watch or not? It is for me. I think this is essentially white lotus succession, big little eyes and selling sunset in a blender together. So, this is rich privileged people on an island paradise having a wedding and the wedding opens with that shot of people pouring champagne and it's like glasses upon glasses where all the champagne falls in, but then they're pumping in for boating music. So, you know from the authors, having tables? Yeah, get straight to it, doesn't it? Straight to it. Lo and behold, you hear screams from someone unspecific, you don't really know who it is and there's a midnight shot of a nearby lighthouse, so you know it's going to go to murder. We then learn that the marriage is not going to go ahead because someone died, but who? Nicole Kidman is playing someone that everyone hates it, so she's all about presenteeism and looking good in front of everyone else and she's been interviewed for People magazine about being quote unquote part of the perfect couple, hence the name. The bride is having second thoughts marrying one year after her engagement. She's also marrying into a family very different than her own. They look down at her because she is a zoo handler from Pennsylvania, perish the thought. And everyone in the family is pretty hateable. They are described, I think, by Vanani as "I'm bored, let's go buy a monkey rich" or quote, "kill someone and get away with it rich" end quote, so it becomes a bit of a hoo-dunnet. So, I really enjoyed this. Now, it is incredibly soapy. It's not highbrow, but I think the reason why it works is because it's not highbrow because the plot can jump from absurdity to absurdity. And I feel, I was speaking to actually Victoria Derbyshire the other day, who's also seen the whole series, and she says it's completely unbelievable. But my reaction to it is, I love it because it is completely unbelievable, because it's so sensational. It is incredibly watchable, yeah. I think it's also the fact that there's only six episodes in this, and that is such a relief in a way, because I think the episodes are something like 40 minutes long, I think so. Some of the episodes are a little bit longer, but it feels like very much. And I'm not saying this because I'm on holiday, it feels very much like a sun lounger TV service. Like it's really good, doesn't it? Yeah, but you bought it at the airport, and now you're watching it, and that is the reason why it works. I think if it was a bit more highbrow or more lowbrow, it wouldn't, but yeah, it somehow has that more wish quality that keeps you going. I think that's a really good way of describing it as that kind of holiday thriller that it's just a page turner in the form of a series. Hailey, what do you think would you agree? Yeah, I agree with everything, Scott said. It's trashy and delicious and binge-worthy. And like super stylish to watch, right? It's nice to watch, like all the kind of, yeah, just the look is really kind of pleasing, isn't it? Exactly. But it's also so silly that it's got the cast doing a synchronized dance to a Meghan trainer song called Criminals at the Beginning. And according to one cast member, Meghan Fahey, there was mutiny in the WhatsApp group because no one wanted to do it except for Liv Schreiber, who was practicing his moves in the trailer while the rest of the cast was trying to weasel out of it. They said it just didn't make sense from a character perspective that any of these people would be dancing. Nicole Kidman said that her character would be off, like watching them, but not being involved. Also, it doesn't make sense. No, it does also, as the series goes on, it gets incredibly dark openers where people are making huge accusations at each other, and it's all very cliffhanger-y. Then it cuts back to the dance routine again, and everyone's doing this flash more. But I'm like, what is going on? It's great. I love the dancing. It's so stupid. If you liked Big Little Lies or The Undoing, I think you'll love this. It's more of Nicole Kidman floating around in a beautiful house or something evil is happening. It's like the white lotus in the way it looks, but that show had a lot more to say about class and money, whereas this doesn't really- No, there's no underlying message. There's no underlying social message. It's a setting for an old-fashioned murder mystery where everyone is a suspect and nobody trusts each other and they're all in the one big, beautiful house. It's not a show that will change your world, but I do think it is a show that will make you lose an entire day of your life accidentally. I speak from experience because I just watched it. Yeah, yeah. It's very easy watching. I definitely stayed up far too late, just kind of going on and on. Hayley, we did have an email already about this from David in St Helens. Yes, did we? Oh, I think so. If you can't find it, don't worry. I can read it. No idea. I've got it. I've got it. Hello again, lovelies. There are a couple of hurdles to get over with the perfect couple. Firstly, the huge amount of plastic surgery on display, something weird to mention. Secondly, the overacting that becomes a distraction sometimes. However, if you can get past these things, what you get is a very silly, very twisty, very glossy crime drama, a very easy watch. Okay, so this seems to be a consensus developing. You don't actually care what happens to any of these people. It's very bingeable and totally forgettable. A must-watch for a rainy weekend, so that sounds like we're going to get many rainy weekends coming up, so maybe that's a good thing. This series, all six episodes of the perfect couple, are available to watch on Netflix and now. So if you do fancy locking yourself away for that rainy weekend, you know where to go. Must-watch from BBC 5 Live. Good afternoon, we are in the middle of Must-watch. This is a new time slot from 1 o'clock every Monday. You can hear us discussing the latest TV recommendations with Scott and Hailey. They are here with us, very pleased to have them. We have already been talking about the perfect couple on Netflix. That's a six-part series available now starring Nicole Kidman. We're going to be getting on to Grace on ITVX. I just want to quickly get some of the emails that people have been sending us. You can send your thoughts on anything that you've watched or want to watch to Must-watch at bbc.co.uk, Scott, I think you've got one from Theo. Yes, dear Must-watch team. When it comes to drama, I'm the sort of viewer who is really upset by clunky exposition, colour palette obsession and art direction. So, yes, I'm hard to please. And for years, my poor wife has had to put up with us, not getting more in half with through the episode of many, many series. However, recently, we have both been riveted by a French-Canadian teacher-student drama called Sweetheart, a regional title shoe shoe, spelt C-H-O-U, C-H-O-U, which we found on the wall to present parts of Channel 4's streaming platform, wall to present essentially, a lot of European dramas and shows not in the English language. They write, "We have yet to watch the finale, but so far, I think this is right up there with the very best Scandinavian human dramas of recent years, such as when the dust settles and end of summer, no guns, no murders, no car chases, instead just stunning, writing, casting, acting and direction. Each episode is tightly packaged at 42 minutes, yet it never feels rushed. I couldn't find a single review or recommendation online, so I thought you might give time to give this powerful work some attention. Thank you for watching all the rubbish, so I don't have to. That's basically me, that's me, that's me. Nice to have some appreciation, I haven't seen any of those, have you guys? I've seen When the Dust Settles, which was very good, another bleak, scandy drama. I have seen more to present before, but you know what, not for a while, I will give a dip into this programme later, like a shoe shoe. Thank you, Theo, for those recommendations. Haley, I think you've got a couple of others. We've got this one from Greg, who says, "Dear Haley and Scott, your show is great, I'm listening, it's entertaining to listen to and a really good steer on what's good to see. Please can I recommend In the Middle," which is available on Amazon Freevey. "Told from the centre of the playing field, In the Middle follows a diverse group of match officials as they attempt to cope with the rigours of running matches in grassroots football. Experienced or new to it young or old, male, female or non-binary, these unsung heroes tell us about their passion for the game, about their lives outside of it and why they're drawn to the often thankless task of refereeing. I'm letting you know about it in response to Haley's recommendations for three salons at the seaside and her request for documentaries to watch. I have a vested interest as I'm the filmmaker who made it. I'd love to get your response to it, even if you don't end up discussing it on the air. Many thanks from Greg. Oh, right, recommending the round film. Yep. Very good. I think it's the first time always we'll bring out that effort of getting as mentioned on the show. I like it in any way. I love it. So thank you very much. As long as we don't have everyone, all the actors, Nicole Kidman's emailing in the same. Yeah, Nicole, Danny Mayard. I think your final series is pretty good. Greg, thank you. Scott, we have another one, I think. One last one. Yes, this last email, we got this from Rufy. The Naga, who of course took over from last week, Scott. And last but not least, Haley, I feel that it's going to be the continuation of the ranking and how precious we all are about this. Rufy writes, "I was worried Nahal's departure would mean the end of Mosswatch, so it was very relieved that my favourite show has found a new home, thanks to Naga for picking up the reins. As the Mosswatch superfan, I am. I did a deep dive into your back catalogue yesterday and it proved quite an experience - it's like going into a time capsule, particularly when you were discussing the strictly couples forming bubbles in 2020 and Scott's recommendation of the West Wing prior to the 2020 presidential election. That sounds quite accurate. And I also had a chuckle when, down one of your cul-de-sacs, Nahal asked Haley what her favourite episode was, to which she responded, quote, "What's the one where they say money, money, money?" Well, the song is called "Money, Money, Money, Haley." Look, we're all going through some things in 2020. I'm allowed to just... There's never a cul-de-sac on this station, I have to say. Everything is... Well, no, trust me. We've had them. Back then. On TV recommendations, they write, "I must second your crates of Sherwood. It's been a while since I've looked forward to watching something so much for tension in the second episode, in particular, was incredible and Monica Dolan as Anne Branson is terrifying. She was much sweeter in the post office. I can't wait for the final two episodes. Side note, I recommend watching James Graham's "McTaggart" lecture, his background and the discussion of class gives great context to Sherwood and it's interesting to learn what drives his work. Thank you for your wonderful series for TV, and that's email is from Ruthie. I completely agree. I think Monica Dolan is completely different than Sherwood's. I know, I couldn't leave it when I saw her, I was like, "Is this the same actor?" She's doing it so well, isn't she? I actually missed last night's show with episode. I'm going to watch it later on, but I'm loving the second series, I have to say. Oh, yeah. It is, I think, the fan that they've managed to somehow reopen the TV series, which had every plot point kind of wrapped up quite firmly with series one, but also somehow not read to tread the same plot points, because it's now looking into different issues. Exactly, and it still manages to be really menacing. I just, I don't know, I just, I actually love the kind of theme music. There's something about the theme music that is just, that it's just perfect. I love it. Anyway, thanks everybody for getting in touch. If you want to email, must watch, must watch at bbc.co.uk. You can always find it in this regular slot, one o'clock on a Monday with Scott and Hailey. So please remember that that it, we are here, we're here, still there, right? Let us get into our next review. What have we got, Scott? This is Slow Horses, the fourth series, which is available on Apple TV+, it came out last week. It's an adaptation of The Spine of All's by Mick Herron, the series stars Gary Oldman, Jack Loudon and Kristen Scott-Thomas. It follows spies who work in a, essentially an administrative purgatory for MI5 rejects who have to really try to prove themselves. The shiny offers get to all of the shinier stuff, but yet they are still swept into solving big cases. The fourth series, and don't worry, may I say Hailey and I will be light on spoilers with this fourth series in case you haven't seen it yet, starts with an act of terrorism in London and the team trying to work out whether it is a lone wolf or for stars of a new campaign. Meanwhile, River, aka Jack Loudon, has concerns about his grandfather played by Jonathan Price. The first episode of Slow Horses Season 4 premiered with an attack at the shopping center. Here's a clip. We're confirmed it's a car bomb. Yes, ma'am, we have it on CCTV. Driver was in the car, so it was a suicide attack. On a shopping center, my God. The car dries up through the pedestrianised area. People scatter. He drives straight into the entrance in their knees. Jesus Christ. What do we know about the car? Hired under the name Robert Winters, 28 year old freelance IT consultant, but nothing in his background indicate why he did this. Track his journey on CCTV, we need to know where he came from. We checked the address, unless that he gave to the hire car company. Nobody's been there in years. Slow Horses Season 4, this is right out my street, I have to say. I have not encountered Slow Horses, but I do love a spice filler and Gary Oldman, you know, Tinker Taylor, I guess he's the heart of it. He's a bit different to his Tinker Taylor version. Sorry, I have to say, I haven't seen this, so you're going to have to explain this to me from scratch. And also Season 4, I heard this described clearly as like a word of mouth hit. It really is. Is that right? Yeah. I mean, we've never properly reviewed this show and must watch for some reason, but we've both independently recommended it, and also we've had countless listeners write in and tell us to watch it, and I remember one guy specifically wrote to me to recommend it on the basis of Gary Oldman's extraordinary flatulence. And I don't know how that works. Wow. Well, that's a feature of the show. Yes, it's huge. I think I don't know how that person knew that that was the quickest way to get me to watch a show, but he was right, and I loved it, and I watched two seasons in two days. It's great. If you don't have Apple TV+, it's one of the shows that's worth signing up for. They've got loads of great shows, and they just don't tell anyone they've made them, so it does rely a lot on word of mouth. Slow Horses is fast, it's funny. Gary Oldman is brilliant at being this completely repellent man. You can almost smell him through the screen, and how much he smells is almost a subplot through the whole show. And also, I know this is a minor thing that only people like me and Scott care about, but Slow Horses is one of the few shows that plays such close attention to London geography. Like if someone catches a bus across town, it's the right bus, it goes in the right direction, and I know this is minor and silly to bring up, but I do think it shows how much they don't let slide. Everything is thought about. This new season, obviously no spoilers, but it's full of twists I didn't see coming. It's not one of those shows that just goes through the motions of being a spy show. It crams so much into each of its episodes, and also no one is safe. Anyone can die, so you don't sit there and go, "Oh, it's fine." I mean, they're not going to die because they're a regular character. You have no idea. No one is safe. It's great. No, strap in. Do watch it. So, must watch, must watch. Yes, it is. Yes. Okay, Scott, would you agree? Must watch. Absolutely. I mean, I agree with Haley. There were many reasons why this show works. I think it's attention to detail, even though we both sounded like the most London media set there, talking about bus routes, but yes, the authenticity is between these hours. Attention to these hours. It's important. There's nothing worse than a killer. It is, yes, true. But I guess if you're up north, you're probably thinking, "Why do I care about London bus routes in the show?" But yes, we do. I think also, just the fact that even the newspapers seem accurate, it doesn't go to any level of trying to feel artificial. It is so grounded in this world. I think it is such a world away from normally how spies are depicted on TV, aka James Bond, when everything is so lavish and incredibly flamboyant and flying away cases. And also, like James Bond in itself, in my view, can feel a bit outdated at times. I think the fact that with slow horses, it's so grounded in the present, and also just the griminess of having to deal with this world. That makes it all the more compelling, because it feels incredibly grounded. It doesn't really feel like a TV show. I think it's also the fact that with Gary Oldman's character, I mean, all of the characters I think have got depth, but I just love his character so much, because he's -- and Tantan Cruz's argumentative is incredibly hard to please. He never shows charm, but he would defend his team and protect them like nothing else. If they are under any attack, he will make sure that they will be okay. And I also think he's just brilliantly acted. I mean, like Hailey pointed out, he turns up at a crime scene in the first episode of this series trying to find somebody. He's going through draws at one point, and people think it's because of evidence. No, it's because he's trying to find an Alpacas out, because he's still drunk. He had a sherry on the way, and then, immediately, he farts at the crime scene. It is quintessentially British, as a continuum, in my review, it is quintessentially British. It's deadpan. I think it manages to mix in high-stakes drama with kind of bruscious sense of humor. It's a combination that I think is as a nation only really we can do. It's really well written. The other thing that I find with our surprise, and I think it's a streaming rarity. If you look at, for example, Stranger Things, the big Netflix release, that came out first in 2016. And we're now in 2024, and we're yet to have series five. There's essentially a free gap between series four and series five, because it's absolutely massive. If you look at Slow Horses, it's not something I don't think that that has happened in streaming. In 2022, they had a series, in that two series in 2022, then in 2023, they had a series. In 2024, they've had a series. It's like, same time of the year, here's another new six-part series of Slow Horses. It's like a proper show from the past. Exactly. Why can't other shows do this? Like, come on, once a year, instead of coming on, I don't know, saying the things. Is it still fresh, though? So, does it feel like it's going in a new direction from people who've kind of watched the early series? Yeah. Totally. I think the fact that it's based on the books by Mick Herron, and of course, they've announced that they are also going to be making a fifth series, which will be based on the Book of London rules. A little prediction. I bet that's going to be out in 2025, if they haven't confirmed that, and that's what I think. Well, I'm just conscious that we're short of time, but you can watch Slow Horses on Apple TV. This is the series four of Slow Horses. You can watch the first three series and the first episode of series four on Apple TV now, and new episodes are out every Wednesday. Let us get to our last review of the week. This is Grace Haley. Yeah, it's Grace on ITV, which is the crime drama set in Brighton, with the detective played by John Sim. It's based on the best-selling novels by Peter James, and this season consists of four feature length episodes. So, let's hear a clip from episode two, where Detective Grace and Detective Branson speak to a witness who discovered an unidentified victim. Do you describe your mourning to us? Here was the usual, out before dawn, walk the paths, make sure everything's safe and in order, take no one's camping or make the fires, and there you are, it's just behind that. On a cup of tea. No. Do you pass anyone as you were walking? My man in the car park, he was leaving his house parking up. I thought it was a bit odd because he'd be walking out in the dark. Can you describe him? Average height, dark hair, sort of slicked back. I was wearing a suit, a suit, yeah, black with a white shirt. See with a white shirt? I have to say, since somebody in that clip was offering a cup of tea and they declined. Where did you ever decline the cup of tea? The etiquette. Okay, must watch, Scott? Not for me. I mean, this is the thing. It is on ITV as a two-hour block. Now, I don't know whether they've gotten their off-con kind of rules about broadcasting. They have to have a two-hour detective show on a Sunday that just feels too long, but they've been doing this for quite a long time now. And Grace follows that continuation, but it's a bit surprising in this show because I think it tries to be very authentic-looking. It's got this kind of down-to-earth, it's set in Brighton, you've got John Sin, who's a great actor, but then it increasingly becomes absurd. I mean, normally I find that the joy of a crime series is that you at home is trying to be, sometimes failing, usually failing, trying to be one step ahead of a detective so I think into yourself, no, the reason why the knife is in that room is because it's down to that person or that's a cover for that. In this episode that we watched the first episode, it started with somebody sadly being attacked in their home, and some money and a watch was taken from the property, trying to work out who the culprit could be. It ended up a bit later on going into a sewage network because the watch is tied to a secret code which is wrapped in a riddle. And I'm going, how would the earth could I see this coming, like how can anyone go even see this coming? Now, the thing about Grace is that it does have a lot of fans, and it is popular, but it's just one of those dramas that I just cannot seem to get, but it's also the fact that I don't know why these shows are so long. I mean, it feels like something from a different era, but it's nice that it's self-contained ish in terms of the plot. I just don't know why these shows are two hours, every sort of day. Goodness. Pretty much. Hailey. I agree with Scott. It's not a must watch for me. I think it's a completely fine crime show, but for me it doesn't have the darkness that makes a crime show something I would personally want to watch. So even though in this episode there's a woman being attacked in her own home and then later on there's a decomposed body found somewhere else. It still has a lightness, a kind of summeriness that makes it the kind of crime show. It's not quite cozy, but it is one that you can watch and then go to bed quite happily and forget. It's more along the lines of an Inspector Morse or a touch of Frost, and I do think there are places for those shows. I love watching them on a rainy Sunday afternoon. There's something about them that is cozy without being patronizing. I can't stand shows like Death in Paradise or the Madame Blanc Mysteries. I find them, well, I'm allergic to them, and I just find them really patronizing and just, but this is not those. It's something else. It's not the soft drink version of a crime show, but nor is it the neat, whiskey version that I like. It's the mix, and so it's more of a me issue than an issue with the show. I think, nor is it a turning up a crime scene looking for an album so it's like having a whiskey and then farting. Exactly. That's the kind of show I want to watch. Yeah, I can't really compete with that. I mean, again, I haven't watched the early series, but I did watch a bit of this later series. The problem for me was that John Sim is basically forever associated in my mind with human traffic, so I basically think that he's this kind of raver trying to put on a suit and act serious, which really spoils it for me, because I just couldn't get past that, and I was thinking at any moment he's going to break out into - Don't trust him as a detective. Yeah, yeah, it just seemed that I'm likely detective from that background. Okay, so we think we possibly have had enough of cop dramas from that. Can I just read you a couple of texts just going back a little bit? True. Well, interesting message for Scott. Somebody who describes himself as Barney's dad has written in with what he's describing as a state secret as an extra on slow horses. They film two seasons back-to-back to facilitate the release schedule. Enjoy. Oh, so... That is true. Oh, so we knew that already. Okay, fine. Yeah. He's not giving away something. He creates a weirdness in which, and does unlike any other streaming show, in which at the end of the series, you actually have a preview to the following series, which is such a joy. Okay, so he wasn't revealing too much. He else has texted in with a recommendation for Kin, describing it as the best thing on iPlayer in a good while and says is Kin is superb. I'm working my way through the two series, again, getting more out of it the second time round. It features the most terrifying, truly menacing characters ever, the totally monstrous Bren. It's a good show. Yeah. That's one of the darker ones that I like. Yeah. Truly menacing. Okay. That was good. Um, have we got any way, oh no, we've got some, some other master watches, Hayley. We've got a couple of things just before we go, we've got about five minutes to talk about a couple of master watch things for the rest of the week. So I am recommending a show called Totally Completely Normal on ITV, and I only discovered it yesterday. It's a dark Australian comedy about a woman who inherits a house from her grandfather, and she then learns that it's right by this famous suicide spot, which is a cliff. And her grandfather has, you know, unbeknownst to her, has spent his time there literally talking people down off the ledge, and he's saved hundreds of people's lives. So now she realizes that she hasn't inherited a house, but she's in fact inherited this huge, important, emotionally overwhelming job. And it doesn't say this in the blood, but this is obviously inspired by a real life story in Australia, where a man did this exact thing. And official reports say he saved 180 people from the ledge over the 45 years he lived in the house, but his family said it was closer to 500. And I remember when he died, it was in the news about 12 years ago, his name was Don Richie. He just used to find these people on the ledge and invite them to his home for a cup of tea. So I thought this show was an interesting twist on that story. She's putting a young woman in that place, and she herself is struggling with suicidal urges. She's played by Thomas and Mackenzie, who you'll probably know best from Edgar Wright's movie Last Night in Soho. It's called Totally Completely Normal. It's on ITV. Totally Completely Fine. Fine. Fine. Totally Completely. It's all, it's totally fine. It's all the same thing. It's fine and normal. It's fine. But it is called Totally Completely Fine. On ITVX, I did also forget to say that Grace can also be found on ITVX. All four of the episodes are seriously, and I think probably previous series as well. Episodes are airing, as Scott mentioned, on ITV1 every Sunday, at 8 o'clock, Scott, before you go, you also have another must watch for us. Yes, I've got a small documentary, a mini documentary, it's called Adam Hale's Football, and you can find it on Sky Documentaries and on Now, and of course, Adam Hale's is the host of The Last Leg, which was on every single night during the Paralympics, and of course for Channel 4. They released some figures to say, actually, that a quarter of the population in the UK have at least seen some of the Paralympics, and of course, they dedicate a lot of time for it. He's got a documentary on Sky. He's a comedian, and he was born without a right foot, so he wears a prosthetic from the knee down, and he wanted to play tennis, and wanted to be the world number one tennis player when he was younger, and he played against able-bodied adults, and wanted to be at Wimbledon. But there is no way for people with physical disabilities such as him to be playing tennis at a high level without being in a wheelchair. There's power table tennis, and there's power badminton, but he says that people who are catered for who are in a wheelchair are catered for, but he isn't. So this little documentary looks into essentially power-standing tennis and looks at it's kind of the campaign to get included into the Paralympics, and I think it delves into the Paralympic history, but also maybe where it needs to head next, and I've learned a lot from watching this. Okay. Very good. Thank you for those. Briefly before we go, a couple of texts. "I worked on the third episode of Grace," says Alan and Potters Bar. It's on next week. Confidentially, he says, "It's a much darker episode, so it might be a bit more up Hailey's street. Give it a go." Also another supporter of Grace, Scott and Hailey. What do you want? Grace is great. Oh, my God. Brian Elsmirport. Sorry, Brian. The differences of opinion here, we are all in the market for that. Thank you so much to Scott and Hailey for being with us this week. 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