Kale & Sam rank their top NFL Head coaches
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I mean, and we're going to try to make this a good episode, which probably will be. Always is. Always enjoy doing this. About two weeks into the NFL season already, I'm just trying to shape it up here. And I'll start naming off some coaches that we think are going to, you know, they're good. Just kind of that have been good and, you know, might be good and, you know, look to be good in the future as well. And there might be some honourable mentions. Yeah. So. So. Go ahead Sam. We're going to start with number one and go down to ten this time, right? Yep. Okay. Well, number one, I think, I think it's kind of pretty agreed upon probably amongst everyone, the number one head coach in the NFL right now is going to be Andy Reed of the Kansas City Chiefs. I mean, he's won three Super Bowls with them now. He was a great coach back in his days in Philly, but he never had a quarterback like Patrick Mahomes in Philly, Donovan McNabb, great quarterback, but Mahomes is just on another level. Top five all time, in my opinion. But yeah, I would say Andy Reed has to be considered the number one head coach in the NFL right now. What about you, Kale? I might agree with you on that one. Andy Reed, you know, cheeseburger Andy, you know, I think he's a good guy. He's burger. He's going to eat. I'll some way start calling him. Dude, he always wants, what was it? One time they had like a big win and he was like, they gave him a cheeseburger. Yeah. That was the meme at the time. Yeah, I think cheeseburger Eddie is going to, not Eddie, cheeseburger Andy is going to, you know, he's a, he's a players coach for sure. Um, I think he is definitely the quintessential number one. And then it gets hard after that, doesn't it? Yeah. It gets hard after that, but a lot of different good coaches in the league. Who would you say is your number two right now, Kale? Oh man, you're going to hate me for this, but you got to go with Dan Campbell. I knew it. Dan came. I knew it. I knew right after Danny, Danny Reed. Danny Reed. Danny Reed. What the fuck. I knew right after Dan Reed, it would be Andy Campbell. Dan Campbell did MCDC, the dude is energetic as fuck. He is just, he's just, he's one of the guys. He's a porn player for the lions and for the cowboys and for the giants. But dude, he comes, he comes in and he's like the hardworking guy. He, he. We're biting some kneecaps. Oh man. I'm trying to think of the impression I used to do with him. Oh man. Okay. We're just, we're going to go down the field. We're going to run the ball game. And then we're going to, we're going to bite the kneecaps, blah, blah, blah. That dude will make me want to kick a door to every time I got to do research on the dude or making pictures with the, for the dude on our thumbnail and stuff. Dude, I just get so excited about Detroit line football, the grit, true grit Detroit football. One pride. Yes. Um. Okay. I mean, you're a true homer going with your team's head coach at number two. I'm not going to do that. I love Matt LaFloor, but he's not my number two. Neither is Dan Campbell right now. As we speak right now, I probably, I got to go John Harbaugh from the Ravens. Great head coach. He's been the head coach there. How long now? Since 2008, um, he took Joe Flacco to a Super Bowl. They won a Super Bowl. And now he's had some, they've, they're just dominant. He knows how to win football games. He knows how to build a good offense. He knows how to build a good defense. Now he's got Lamar Jackson, who's been, uh, you know, two-time MVP. They made it back to the AFC championship last year. John Harbaugh. I'm going, I'm going with John Harbaugh as my number two. Number three, um, that's tough. I think I got to go with. I go with Sean McDermott or not Sean McDermott. Sean McVeigh from the Rams, um, he built a, he built a superstar team. He built a super team there in LA back in 2021. They brought in Stafford from the Lions. They brought an OBJ. They had Cooper cup who went off that year. They had a great defense led by Aaron Donald and he just find, again, he finds ways to win even last year. Some of those pieces were gone, but you know, you build a good offense around a veteran quarterback like Stafford. When you think about it, he also took Jared Gopf to a Super Bowl back in 2018. And he just knows how to build offenses and win games, um, and they did it again last year. So, um, yeah, I got Sean McVeigh as my number three. Who do you got? Kale. Kyle Cheyenne. Okay. That did his proven that he could take anybody and take them to a Super Bowl. And I'm saying that because he once had Jimmy Garoppolo. Yeah. He took Jimmy Judy to a Super Bowl. Nah, he has Brock Birdie. So are you saying that's a knock on Jimmy G and Brock Birdie? No. I'm just saying he could find ways with whoever. So can McVeigh. He did it with Goth and Stafford. Well, Goth is Goth. He's still pretty good and Stafford has always been good. He just needed a team. Okay. But what's that? What are you saying about Jimmy G and Brock Birdie? They're decent players. But they're not as good. No. I'll put words in my mouth. No. Well, okay. But what are you saying? I'm just saying. Like he's, he's shown that he could use anybody. It doesn't matter if they're good or fucking bad and he could take, he can somehow make it to the Super Bowls. What I'm saying, dude? Like. That's what McVeigh did too. Yeah. But so what? He's my number three. Okay. That's good for you. Okay. I think McVeigh's better. He's won a Super Bowl. That's, that's you, dude. House Hand Hand hasn't won one yet. But he's been there twice. He's going to eventually get it. I don't care. Like. I hate the 49ers. You got to remember McVeigh is one for one in the Super Bowl. He's one for two. McVeigh. He's been to two. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. He's one for one. He's been to two. He's one. That's two. That's one win. One and one. Not one for one. One for one means he's been to one and won one. That's what I mean. Whatever. But. I still think Cal Shanahan, you know, Cal Shanahan can fuck right off in my opinion. Why? Explain why. I hate the 49ers. I know. I hate them too. But still, the coach is still good. I don't know. I think Cal Shanahan's like, I think he's a fraud. I think he's a quack. I think, you know, Cal Shanahan is going to help Brock Purdy get to the MVP race. I hate to say that. He was in the MVP race last year. I know. But he's going to win one. I don't know if they didn't have Christian McCaffrey. They, I think they wouldn't be good at all. All right. Who do you got at four then, Kale? John McVeigh. What'd you take on John McVeigh? Why is he, why is he below Kyle Shanahan though? He's a good coach. He's been all around, good offensive minded guru itself. He's taken through Super Bowls. He's done it with Jared. I mean, Jared Doth, he's done it with Matt Stafford. He usually, he likes to find them players that can't, you know, this seem like they're not going to do well, but he makes them good. You know, look at Cooper Cup. He was coming in last or near the damn end of the draft and he's one of the superstars. And then now he gets Pooka Nikua, who's what? Pooka Nikua. Pooka Nikua. You know, he. Pooka Nikua. You done? I hate Kyle Shanahan. Oh, wait. You're talking about some of the things that, uh, yeah, go ahead. Keep going. I don't know. He, he makes. He's like me. He's just a really good offensive minded coach, but the one thing that I knock him on is just, he's cocky, dude. He's like, he has that. I think I'm better. No. Oh, so not. He, Kyle Shanahan, it seems like he's one of the guys too, like Sean McVeigh just, just something about Sean McVeigh just doesn't sit well with me. Go ahead. Pick your stupid pick. I got Kyle Shanahan at number four. You pretty much nailed it on the head, Dale. I might not like the 49ers. I might not like Kyle Shanahan, but he's a great coach. He knows how to run that offense. He took Jimmy G and Brock 30 to a Super Bowl. He knows how to build an offense. He knows how to get the players he needs to be successful. He's good at using players to their utmost strength and their utmost ability, like a guy like Deebo Samuel, Christian McCaffrey, George Kittle, a yuke. He knows how to get the most out of his guys. Brock Purdy even, Brock Purdy was Mr. Relevant, the 2022 draft. And he put him in the MVP race last year and took him to a Super Bowl, almost two years in a row. He made it to the NFC Championship game in the past, let's see, 2019, they made it, 2020, they missed it, 2021, 2022, they made it four out of the past five seasons to the NFC Championship game. Two of those made it to the Super Bowl. Still has yet to win the Super Bowl, because he's gone up against Andy Reid, who's number one both times. They'll probably get it at some point, which pains me to say, because I hate the 49ers. Yeah, I got Kyle Shanahan at four. You happy? Okay. We got my, we got a, we got number five next I got at number five at number five, at number five, I can confidently say Matt LaFloor for my practice ever since he took over as head coach in 2019, he took over Mike McCarthy. We made it to the playoffs every year, except the 2022, which was Aaron Rodgers last year. We made it to the NFC Championship game, 2019 and 2020. We were the number one seed in 2020 and 2021, and we made it back to the playoffs last year with Jordan Love first year quarterback, squeaking in as the seventh seed. And he know, again, he's another offensive minded coach. And the funny thing is LaFloor, Shanahan and Mick Vay are all from the same coaching tree. And they're all right there on the list, they're right there. You can't forget, say Mick Daniel, yeah, and he'll be on this list, he'll be somewhere on there, but I got to go with LaFloor. He's just, he's had a lot of success for my team. I couldn't put him probably any higher than those other guys, but he deserves to be top five. He's been at LaFloor. Who do you got, Kale? Harbaugh. Jim or John? Not John. John. Not Jim. You know, he's, John has been there, you know, he's a trooper with the Ravens. That's one thing I like. I'll probably put him over on his brother is that he actually has not left for another job. He's actually figured out his mistakes and issues. He has got it done. Like you said, with Joe Flacco, Joe Flacco, old man Flacco. Greatest coach in Ravens history. John Harbaugh. I don't have many coaches anywhere. Brian Bilic was good for them back in the day. Super bowl with him. You know, you hit it really well on the head with what you said about them. He's getting it done in Lamar Jackson. He's getting it done with the receiver. They have had receiver troubles for a little while. Yeah. They've had good defense. They have great defense actually, and they've had issues. He knows how to draft defensive talent. You know, he's really good at getting good tight ends, but they're healthy. Like, Mark Andrews. He's a dog. He's going to be good for them next year. He's won a Super Bowl. His all-time record is 160 to 99, which is still pretty good. He's at like 12 and 10 for playoffs. I see them doing pretty well this year. Yeah. Nice. Number five, I will also pick Matt Loeffler, whatever you want to say. Is that your five or your six? That would be my five, because Harbaugh's my... No, because you had... Oh, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Harbaugh was your five. Yeah. Okay. So, number six, I would have Matt Loeffler. I like him because he's a young up-and-coming coach, pretty much, still, and when the littlest penalty that is big, he's not mad. Yeah. But he talks to the players like they're not children. You know? What I like about this most recent year is that he finally has been able to run his offense without having to cater to Aaron Rodgers. Because obviously, when he first came over, you have Aaron Rodgers, though you have to cater to some of his wants and needs being that guy. He took over and now it's Jordan Love and now he's also a finding player. He's another coach that finds those out of like diamonds in the rough. Yeah, basically. Yeah. Like, he finds the people at the superstar trade, basically, if you would say, beta game-wise. Yep. The only struggles I say with the coaching staff that he's done is he's either having problems with the defense coordinator and then they get a new one next year, or the next two years. Or special teams. Special teams. Um... Offense has been great every single year he's been there, though, outside of 2022. No, I will back up real quick, speaking of coaching staff. Well, say about Dan Campbell, which kind of don't agree with him on this or kind of notice about him is that when it comes to like coaching his coaching staff, I don't mind Aaron Glennons or defense coordinator. I don't think he's that bad. It's just we've had to add some people in there. Yeah. But Dan Campbell's like one of those guys like Scott Frost was at Nebraska. Yeah. You know, I don't want to fire this guy because he's been with me forever. But I think Dan Campbell is going to be unlike Frost. He's actually going to make that choice. He already has proven to be better than Frost. Oh, yeah. But I'm saying if he has to let go, somebody he'll let go, just because of offense. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Um... Who's your number six? I'm going to go with Mike Tomlin from the Steelers. I know the Steelers haven't done a lot recently, but he's never had a losing season. Not once. Very good at defense. Very good at defense. And he got it done last year with any picket, Mitsubishi, and Mason Rudolph that quarterback and they still made it to the playoffs. They lost to Buffalo in the first round. Um... Next shot was expected. But they even...they made it to the playoffs in Big Ben's last couple of years and he wasn't all that great. You know? And he just finds ways to win. And he's a players coach, he motivates his guys, he understands winning culture. And he's got a couple Super Bowl, he's got one Super Bowl. And two Super Bowl appearances, he's got one Super Bowl. Some people may forget that Big Ben's first Super Bowl win. Bill Cower was the head coach, not Mike Tomlin. He kind of took over, he kind of inherited what Bill Cower left. And he's had some a couple Super Bowl runs, but outside of that, yeah, he hasn't been back through Super Bowl in a long time, but he's been consistent and he wins, he just knows how to win. And so I got Mike Tomlin at six, number seven. Number seven, I got Mike McDaniel from the Dolphins, another guy. One of those young up and coming coaches, one of those young great offensive minds similar to a matler floor, Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay. And again, they're from that same coaching tree, that Mike Shanahan coaching tree, right? And so Mike McDaniel, you watch his offense in Miami, it's fun to watch, man. I'm the furthest thing from a Dolphins fan, but their offense is fun to watch. He don't orange would look good on you. That Tyree kill, that Jalen Waddle, I like the running backs most certain A-chan. They're like, they're like almost like the Alabama of NFL, or Detroit. They have a lot of Alabama players. They do. So does Detroit, but they're like the, they're just the explosive, they're almost like the Oregon of the NFL, just because of all the speed, right? And then they have Tuah back there at QB, and he just distributes the ball, that lefty, just getting into his playmakers, the timing, like the timing and precision it takes to, to make sure that offense runs smoothly. And with the guys they have, the speed they have, it's fun to watch, man. It's just explosive. So that's why I have it. Number seven, Mike McDaniel, the only thing that's kind of holding him back right now is he's only tuned to playoffs so far, so he's got to have more playoff success. Who do you got at seven? I have Mike Tomlin as well. I mean, out of all the coaches that have been around for like years, he's probably, I'm surprised he lies as long as he has, but he's proven that, hey, kind of like John Harbaugh. Yeah. He's like, hey, I got these players. I can work with them. You know, a lot of people thought, like, oh, hey, he's Bellachek, he's been around the burger after, you know, Ben, big Ben, he retired, he thought, like, oh, well, this is going to really show us two dollars. He's got down with Mesa Rudolph. I've all kind of pick it. Mr. Visky. He's been through a lot of storylines and then I fell with A.J. Brown and Antonio Brown. Leveon Bell. Leveon Bell, Russell Burgers, weird case he had years ago and, you know, so much more. Juju being fucking tick star, tick, tick, tick, tick, drama queen. No kidding. You know, so I, I think he's a great defensive coach, like, uh, he said that sealers just had, he's a great motivator to last 20 years defense on that team has been great. Oh, yeah. Number seven or number eight, number eight, yeah, I'm going to go with McDaniel's on that as well. I mean, who? Oh, Mike McDaniel's. Okay. I mean, a lot of people thought that, okay, who the, like, when people, when they hire them, like, who the fuck is Mike McDaniel's? It's like one of those random ass pics. This looks like some random, just like the Eagles coach. Nick Sirianni. Who's, you know, he's all right. He kind of looks like a garbage man. A lot of people are like, who the hell is Nick Sir, you know, but, uh, he, the hit, McDaniel's is proven that like, hey, just because I started off this position and, you know, coaching or whatnot, I'm still going to be this guy who's going there. Take team, build it, and he pretty good and then I felt what she's done that. Like, yeah, he's got it done with Tua, he's gotten done with, um, the receivers. And I think that, you know, if he keeps it going, I think Tua should be in the, like, the talks of the MVP. Yeah. Oh, and he has been. Yeah. Um, that was your, that was your eight, right? Yep. So my eight. Basically, I, I'm going to go back, I made a mistake, um, I'm going to move McDaniel to my eight. So you know who my eight is, but it's putting it slide, sliding in at number seven. I'm going to put, uh, Dan Campbell from the Lions. Um, I mean, you hit the nail on the head. Um, some might say he should be higher, but a lot of people don't like his coaching. I, I, I do actually really like Dan Campbell, um, and he's shown he can get it done in the playoffs right now anyway. They went two and one in the playoffs last year. They beat, they beat the Rams. They beat Matt Stafford. They beat the Buccaneers, the solid Buccaneers scene, and they barely lost to the 49ers. So yeah, there, I mean, I, I like Dan Campbell. I like his aggressive coaching style. Um, I like the way he motivates his guys. Um, so he's actually my seven, Mike McDaniel moves to eight, and then I'll go my number nine. I'm going to go Mike McCarthy from the Cowboys. Um, he's a guy who gets a lot of an undeserved eight when again, he just wins. The Cowboys have had three straight. The Cowboys have had three straight 12 win seasons, and they're talking about firing Mike McCarthy. It's just to sell the Cowboys. They're delusional. And it's cause, it's cause they don't, they haven't won in the playoffs a lot, but it's like dude, how many coaches are winning three straight 12 plus win seasons? Not many, not many, only the best of the best. Plus he has a Super Bowl ring with Green Bay. And he's been the Super Bowl before twice, right? Once. Once. He went, we went once with him. But the thing is- I came close. We, yeah, we came close a lot. We had a lot of great years with Mike McCarthy as head coaching Green Bay. Was it time to move on? When we moved on? Yes, it was. I think it was time to move on. I think that, that relationship was just done. And we moved on and Matt Lofour has been great, but Mike McCarthy is, I'd probably say second or third greatest coach in Packers history. You know, Vince Lombardi's obviously first, and then you got Mike Holmgren who had some great years in the 90s with Brett Favre, and then you got Mike McCarthy. And Matt Lofour will probably be up there someday too, but you know, he's probably four already. You know, he needs to make it to a Super Bowl yet, but yeah, Mike McCarthy. I got Mike McCarthy at number nine, and he turned Dak Prescott into a MVP contender last season and second team all pro. So yeah, Mike McCarthy at number nine. I'm about to share that number nine with you because I agree. You hit it pretty well about how, you know, the Cowboys are so delusional. The team, the organization, the Jerry itself is the most delusional man on that team. Yeah. Oh yeah. The fans just fall for these tricks about it, and McCarthy has done an excellent job. He's actually, you know what, he's made Dak Prescott look like Dak Prescott that he is today. Yeah. And I think they're still in the, the, they still have the, what's this, who was the last coach I was just there before McCarthy. Oh, Jason Garrett, they, Jason Garrett lives rent free in their heads. That's why they want to fire him. Yeah. Honestly, personal opinion. They can't, yeah, they're used to the, Jason Garrett was there too long. Two damn long. Two damn long. Yeah. After Wade Phillips, it was Jason Garrett for like a thousand years, and then Mike McCarthy. Which Wade Phillips is still a great coach. Yeah. You know, it just just, you know, it just fired him prematurely. I feel like too. But that's Johnson. That's Cowboys culture. There's a slight, it's big. They fired Jimmy Johnson after he won the Super Bowl. Yeah, exactly. This is Jerry Bean, stupid fucking Jerry, like dude, Jerry, step your shit up. Like dude, if, if you just admit that you cannot be a general manager and owner at the same time, give your power to somebody else who knows what the fuck you're doing. Your ways don't work anymore. Old man. All right. I, I, as much as I don't, as much as I give so much shit and hate to the Cowboys fans. I feel bad for you guys. I know I'm a lion's fan. I'm talking all the shit, but I feel bad for you guys. You guys got a narcissist owner like Jerry, retire, sell a team, something, give the people what they want. Mike drop. That was funny. Oh man. They're not young. How many times we got to tell you old man. Oh, all right. Number 10, fucking Jerry, what do you got? Number 10, there's a, there's a few different ones you could pick from that's gonna be a tough one. I kind of want to put a, an up and coming coach, me too, but I think I am going to put a up and coming coach. You did really good last year as my 10, but I'll let you go first. I'm going to say Zack Taylor and I'm not saying that because I'm not going to say that because Huskers. Hey, another guy who was put in a position and people like the fuck is this guy? He's proven that he's done well. He's proven that he's gotten to this world dude. I'm still, I've still got shocked about how he upset the chiefs. Yeah, just to get to Super Bowl and almost made it to two state AFC champions. Just beat the Rams. Joey Burrow, he got Joey Burrow and then that's helped him out. I mean, I don't know. I just hope he has more continued success in the next year and then the next one hopefully. But if they don't get it done, they're going to get rid of him sadly, but, and I think he'll get a job somewhere else as an offense coordinator or, you know, he ain't too bad of a coach. My number 10, I'm going to go with Demico Ryan from the Texans. I know he's only had one year as the Texans head coach. He was a rookie head coach last year, but man, they were solid. He had that defense, you know, one of the best defenses in the league and took a young CJ Stroud young rookie quarterback to the playoffs. He did a great job last year and I think he only looks to do better moving forward. Um, and then you look at a, I got some honorable mentions here. One of them is Zach Taylor. He's done a good job in Cincinnati since he started there. Sean McDermott from the Bills and then Sean Payton as well from the Broncos. I think in Doug Peterson from the Jaguars, I think they all deserve honorable mention. Doug Peterson has a Super Bowl ring with the Philadelphia Eagles with Nick Pouls. Um, Sean McDermott obviously has Buffalo as one of the best teams in the AFC. Probably kind of a crime that I, that neither of us have Sean McDermott in our top 10 because the Bills have been so good, but I feel like maybe he's what's holding them back and getting to a Super Bowl. Again, and then that's what can hurt a team like getting old man, Jerry Jones. And then Zach Taylor obviously deserves an honorable mention with what he's done in Cincinnati turning that culture around. And then Sean Payton, you know, he hasn't done much in Denver, but we know what he did with the Saints. He won a Super Bowl there. Had a lot of great teams. And it looks like he might be finally starting to turn that around in Denver with Bo Nix. Um, you know, so that kind of, that kind of rounds out my list. How about you, Kale? Do you have any honorable mentions? That Texas coach mentioned Ryan's and then, honestly, the Browns, Brandon's had a coach. Oh, Stiff, Stafanski. Yep. He's doing pretty well. Yeah. Kevin's definitely. There'll be another, there another organization. I'll just fire the coach if they're doing good. Yeah. Honest. Um, Doug Peterson got done with Nick Foles, all men Foles and, uh, what you retired this here? So he did. Um, I feel like I'm missing somebody. Todd Bowles could be thrown in there, maybe Kevin O'Connell. Yeah. He's, he's trying, he's trying to get, you know, Vikings, the Vikings problems are having injury problems. Yeah. Probably gonna be nice to say about the Vikings, but, uh, you know, it's just injuries. People staying healthy. Yeah. And the organization making terrible trades. But, uh, I mean, yeah, I mean, I thought it was a good quick list. Yeah. I like doing that stuff. Um, I thought that was actually kind of fun. I think this one was actually kind of like heated for once and we got a little heated with the Kyle Shanahan thing and I got a little rant, a little ranty about Jerry Jones. Yeah. It was good. That's, that's the point of power hour. Yeah. We'll get more like that as we go with preseason rankings are just a lot. I don't think we need to do full 32 rankings as much. Quick things like this are good. I think. Yep. But we'll still, you know, we're always going to try to do other than NFL, we, you know, I know Sam needs to learn some other sports. I mean, we'll do, we'll do a college football power hour at some point with, yeah, size man and Heisman offensive stuff and bolt, we get to bowl games, dude. That'd be a good one. Yeah. Bowl games, old school BCS, bowl games. I personally, I'm more fan of the BCS era. Yeah. I mean, well, to a point. I am too. I like the nostalgia, you know, but I like the playoff, the new playoff format. I like any final thoughts. It was a good list. It was a good episode I thought. No technical difficulties on this episode. No, no technical difficulties and it was good. So little update of the studio, the mine shaft, we are working on getting actual mics. We're going to still, we're still going to keep these chest banks. Yeah. But we've been looking around for mics. We're still going to use the, the agent life studio, you know, here and there. Oh, yeah. For sure. We only use the mine shaft and we need to and you know, maybe we just get bored one day, like we'll support a bunch of episodes and then we're good to go. Yeah. This episode will be dropping on Sunday for sure because we don't have any other episodes after that plan drives right now. But kind of getting our schedule kind of figured out here, you know, once we've been thinking about doing power hours, usually we'll come out during the week at different times and then regular episodes on Sundays or something, you know, we're trying to give a wide variety of a lot of stuff. Weekly. Yep. And then, you know, you'll have, I think our, our, I guess more current up the current event one is who you got, be like a little rundown and a little, you know, our predictions of the, of the games of the week. Yep. Um, so yeah, I think everything's been going pretty, pretty smooth move. Yeah. And then also the camera will be updated to the quality be, you know, as, as things get better, we'll get better over time. You know, I don't expect to be like Joe Rogan in a day. So, um, other than that, you got anything else, sir? That's it. You want to touch anything about the podcast or anything or nothing like that? I think you've pretty much nailed all of it. Okay. Good. Good. Good. Good. Pick out a July media group, all their podcasts. And, uh, I think that does it for us today.