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Test Match Special

View from the Boundary - Ben Willbond

Jonathan Agnew speaks to actor and screenwriter Ben Willbond.

Known for his role in the BBC sitcom Ghosts, Ben discusses the success of the series, as well as his work on Horrible Histories and Ben having a visit from Geoffrey Boycott while he was at school.

Duration:
39m
Broadcast on:
31 Aug 2024
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mp3
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You're listening to the TMS podcast from BBC Radio 5 Live. An actor, screenwriter, you probably will certainly recognize as the captain in the hugely successful BBC sitcom, Ghosts, which came to an end with a big ratings climax at Christmas. He's a key part of the award-winning "Horrible Histories" on CBBC, where recurring characters range from Henry. The eighth to Alexander the Great. He's appeared in other hit comedy programs like Thick of It, Extra as Good Omens and Rev and his writing credits include the film Bill about the life of William Shakespeare. I'm told on his mantelpiece he has a perrier award. Two pointless trophies. I've only got one. How do you get to see it? Well done. A Lord's Tavern is a cricket tournament shield. Big cricket fan, plays for the Thespian Thunderers. Actors 11. Very warm. Welcome to Ben Wilbon. Lovely to have you here. Oh, it's an absolute pleasure and an honour to be. It's quite special, isn't it? It's very special. Walking in here to the media centre, I didn't quite realize how stunning the view is. You're almost hovering above the strip, and it's just fantastic. Yes, it is. And normally we do have our window open, so you do get that sense of the crowd noise coming in. It is quite fitting. There is a military band. This is fitting. The captain would approve, wouldn't it? Well, absolutely. I don't know which band it is, but there's some euphoniums down there that I recognise, which is obviously, if they're one short, I could go to the car and get mine out. Yeah, but not sure if that could be very popular either, actually. It's the band and bugles of the rifles. Thank you, Russian dude. Adam, they're marching. Look at that. They look very splendid. They do. Black uniforms, black tunics. I don't know what you call the items on their hats, but they're like red. Somehow right in. Yes, they will. That's fantastic. So, I mean, do you come here often? You're a Lord. I don't usually start my interviews like that. I do as much as I can over the summer. It is, I mean, it is just such a stunning ground to come to. And the atmosphere is always electric. I've not yet been, I was telling you before we started, I've not yet been for an ashes match. I would dearly love to be, because all those wonderful moments from ashes gone by, and you think, "Oh, I wish I was there for that." Yes, because somehow, I mean, all test matches matter, of course. But somehow there is that edge for an ashes game. And last year here, it all kicked off with Johnny Besto, of course, and all the booing and the shenanigans to London. I know, it's all got a bit beyond what we're used to in cricket. You bought one of your sons with you. Yes, I got one of my sons. Right. I have two sons, one, twelve, and one, ten. My ten-year-old is here, looking at... How did you sort of keep fishing? They both played, do they? They both play. And look, I'm not going to say, I didn't force the issue. We started very gently, but I was determined to introduce them to the game early. My love, as it started, went about nine, ten at school, and it is quite a hard game to get into, I think, for juniors. And you've got to be quite subtle and slow with it, because, you know, for them, age, I don't know, seven, eight, they're going, "Well, what happens now?" No, you've got to be really sort of gentle introducing them to the game, but they're both taking time. And so playing with kind of softballs to start with. Softballs start with it. So we moved up to North London just before lockdown, and one of the many reasons we moved was because I noticed in near Crouch End, there was this... I mean, it sounds very grand, isn't it? But there was this fabulous collection of cricket pitches driving past going, "Hello, what's this?" I mean, it knows Ian, and it's called Shepherd's Cott, and there's about six or seven cricket grounds, and I thought, "Okay, that's a done deal. We'll be moving here." It's the most beautiful space. I think it's all protected land, so no one can build on it. There's a fabulous view of Alexandra Palace in the background. Oh, right, okay. On a beautiful summer's evening, you suddenly got these lovely strips and this beautiful view. So one of those places where the game is kind of merging to one another, so actually you're fielding there, but actually... Yeah, well, your point in that game, but you're actually... Yeah, yeah. It's like chucking balls back to North London and North Middlesex, but both boys play for Crouch End cricket, and it's a fabulous, fabulous little community. They invest very, very heavily in the youth game, and families are really welcome, so there's no sort of pressure, and it's just delightful to go down there. And I've actually now tentatively at first thinking, "Well, maybe I could help out." I'm not quite sure what a light comic character could do here, and then sort of got roped into a little bit of, I'd say, coaching in a very, very loose... Yeah, but that's really... You know, the Friday evening coaching sessions with all the juniors, sort of eight, nine, ten-year-olds. And yes, it is like herding cats. And so, especially the eight-year-olds, it's like, "Do I have to do it tonight, or can I just go to the bar?" But they're fabulous, and it's lovely to watch them develop from eight, nine, and then as they get sort of ten and eleven, those who are interested in the game, it's just beautiful to watch, because they suddenly... It sort of clicks in, and they go, "Oh, I get it." Yes, I can start with kind of enthusiasm, is it from your perspective? Yeah, you've got it, but I tell you what, we have to play the games, obviously, sometimes in midsummer, later in the evening, and of course, if you're an eight or nine-year-old boy, you're a little bit... Shall we say, unfocused at that time? If the match drags on, there's a few people lying by the boundary, sort of wandering off into the trees. But it's lovely to see them develop and get interested in the game, and start to sort of, I guess, the only way to describe it. I mean, you know this, you've played for England, but once you're hooked, you're hooked. Yes, you are. You're going to go, "Oh, we get it." It's the greatest game. It is the greatest game. I will go on record. I'm just on it. I can't reckon and say... Do you think there's been an uptick in enthusiasm and interest from your son's age, and so on, as a result of the short-form game? Are they watching that? They've got access to that? That's an interesting question. I think they have. We were glued to the hundred this summer. It is fantastic for getting kids involved. We came down to watch London Spirit. Actually, one of our members at Crouch End is the coach, or one of the coaches for the women's London Spirit team. She was here, Emma Whiteman. She brings that sort of expertise back, which is tremendous. A fan action is a couple of times unpiring some of the under-10 games with her, and sort of defer it, sort of looking quite nervously from square leg. Are we... Oh, we do. Okay. That is out. That is definitely out. So, yes, to answer your question, I think the short-form is really good at helping children develop an interest. But there's something so captivating about tests, and I just hope that both my boys get into it. Have you started to gently... Yeah, the gateway drug is the short-form, and you think it will work. You think that will open the game? I think so, because the way England are playing now, the way it's sort of... Because I grew up watching it in the '80s, so, you know, I would, you know, draw the curtains and watch... In both of them and take it out. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, just watch them, and that's how I played. So, that's how I played at school, as a ten-year-old, just dig in. But, of course, we were playing a shorter, you know, we didn't have the time to play a long game, so I just sort of dig in. I opened, and because I think I could see off the pace attack from Trent College and Uppingham, which you will know. Yes, of course, because you're a Stanford school, wouldn't you? Yeah, yeah. Which is a beautiful cricket field, by the way. It is a beautiful field. It's a stunning place, yeah. And, yes, I grew up in the game, and I kept wicked as well, which I loved. Right. And I think that's how I charmed my way into the thunder as I took a... It's a sort of trial game, not really a trial game, but my first game before I got my official cap for the thunder as I caught a very, very low edge at first slip. Almost just off the deck in my two fingers and thought, "Yeah, I've still got it." Yes. This was about 15 years ago. But I've always loved fielding at slip, fielding, being a wicked keeper. But I was sort of usurped at school at a very young age, and I sort of went off in a funk, and then my school career sort of ended. So, that was quite disappointing. And then in my late 20s, early 30s, I thought, "Right, I'm going to get back into the game." Yeah. Because why on earth did I not keep playing? Through all those years. Well, when you could be, "Yeah, you're a fittest." Exactly. Exactly. But you saved it, as I mean, I was lurching around the comedy circuit. Oh, well. But how did it start? I mean, you said, I mean, I was the same as you. I used to sit at home, draw the curtains, black and white, telly in my day. Perhaps you might be able to tell her by the time you were wearing a black and white, telly, and just sit and watch a test match. I mean, it was bizarre childhood, really, but you just sort of got gripped by it. And the great thing about, well, I think we're very lucky, was that you could actually see your heroes, couldn't you? You actually, you know, Bob Willis or Peter Lever, in my case, railing earth, all these people. You could see them on the telly, and so you could then go out and you could copy them after. Exactly. It was a bit difficult now. If you haven't got access, you know, to satellite telly, and that. It must be quite difficult. I mean, does he have heroes? I mean, you've probably got Skye, have you? So you can watch it. Yeah, we do. We do, so I can... It does make a difference. It does make a huge difference. Yeah. And actually, both boys do complain, so I do just sit there, glued. Yeah. Waiting for the highlights, just like, right, everyone, we're watching the highlights. There's no other option here in the living room. Yeah, I think it is, I think it is, it's hard. It's a hard game to get people into, it's a hard bit. But, you know, particularly older people might generate something like, "I wonder if you're obsessed with cricket?" and you go, "Okay." And it makes me think that, you know, instead of national service, perhaps... Perhaps... Everyone should be made, you know, between the age of 18 and 21, to slap the middle and face. You can pad up, you can just, you know, be in a massive, great, big, padded suit. Right. Just face and over, if I don't break or something, and just... Yeah. Pretty terrifying. Really terrifying. You come away going, "Okay, you're right. It is a pretty interesting game, actually." I can see how... And it'd be lovely if there's a shorthand way to say, "Look, watching test matches like watching, you know, anything can happen at any point." Yeah. There's a real beauty to it, this ebb and flow. This trilanka test has proven that, you know, two or three times, you think, "Oh, well, it's all over now." And then suddenly, Sri Lanka dig in. Yes, they do. And it's just, it's beautiful. You just think, "Oh, great. Well, it's game on." Yeah. It's that old corny ebb and flow that you show you. But it is true. You know, we were talking about Ruth earlier about how... And I think you said you chatted to him, and he's sort of now in that beautiful sort of flow stage where he can come out. Yeah. And without thinking about it, I mean, does that... I don't need to think about it. I mean, I just can't relate to that. Well, I've heard... It's been a long time since I've done anything on stage, but... I do remember in long runs, in shows that I'd written on stage. You get to this sort of point where you think, "There is nothing I can do now that's going to upset me or upset my concentration." It's just like that sense of... I think... I don't know. Rhythm. I've got this. Rhythm. It doesn't matter what, anyone heckles or whatever happens, it'll be fine. Yeah, yeah. It's a lovely place to be. Well, Joe's there at the moment. I mean, you might see him. Beat Alice to Cook today. Yep. Which of us all? Yep. We'd tinge up here because obviously we love Alice too. Yeah. He's a colleague of ours. He looked a little bit true. Well, he's accepted. It's going to go some time. It is going to go some time. It is going to go. Yeah. But he's played brilliantly. Yeah. So, how did it actually begin for you? How did you get into cricket in the very first place? So, it wasn't school because we... At Stanford, you played... So, were you there at junior school as well? Junior school as well, yeah. Right. So, you played rugby. That was a shock to the system. Yes. Age, you know, barely nine. Yes. We're doing what? We're doing the temperature outside. The left wing, I think, has got a popular place to go and hide. In my schoolboy days of playing rugby. Just being shouted at by a fabulous P.E. teacher called Mike Barton. He had this... The straightest military massage. And he just... I just... My memories from being on are just being shouted at. The rain coming off the fence was horizontal. Oh, yeah. And you just hear Mr. Barton shouting, "Hot potato!" Trying to get past the ball. Oh, I see, that's good. And then, of course, spring comes, you play a bit of hockey, and then summer it's, you know, suddenly the pitch is unveiled. And it's like, "Ooh, so it's interesting." And then, yeah, like I say, I learned how to bat a little bit, although the thunderrs might have something to say about that. Yeah. And loved keeping wicket. Didn't Jeffery Boycott come out? I was reading somewhere. He did. He actually met everyone. I was actually in the score box for that match. And we were operating the score box. So they... Well, they said, "Listen, everyone come watch boycott play." So why was he there? 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