Ben & Woods On Demand Podcast

8am Hour - Show Meeting, Alex Morgan Retires, + Smart Baseball w Eno Sarris

Ben & Woods start the 8am hour talking about a big show meeting that we had yesterday, which of course Ben tried to end prematurely. Then we discuss the breaking news from the world of soccer as Alex Morgan announces her retirement and we get to our "Smart Baseball" segment with Eno Sarris from The Athletic! Listen here!

Duration:: 46m
Broadcast on:: 05 Sep 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

"My dad works in B2B marketing. "He came by my school for career day "and said he was a big row as man. "Then he told everyone how much he loved "calculating his return on ad spend. "My friends still laughing me to this day." - Not everyone gets B2B, but with LinkedIn, you'll be able to reach people who do. Get $100 credit on your next ad campaign. Go to linkedin.com/results to claim your credit. That's linkedin.com/results. Terms and conditions apply. Linked in, the place to be, to be. - From the mind of a two-foot tall talking Spunk's puppet comes this year's biggest challenge. It's time for Bob's Dare to Compare. The hottest game show on TV that asks, what happens when you compare Bob's to the competition? You get style, you get quality, you get beefs and boops and dings and wops, and thousands of dollars and savings. Everyone's winner when you dare to compare with Bob's discount furniture. 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To my left is Benjamin Higgins, friendly neighborhood sports anchor, and we are both wearing a army green today. We have the same brand that we shot. - They don't own the color green, just because they, the army, decided to wear it. It doesn't mean the rest of us can't wear a light green earth tone for time to time. - Tell our military that that goes out and serves our country. - We're not wearing camo, we're not wearing like logos of the military, we're just wearing a color that exists on the spectrum of colors. - That's true, that's true. What was I saying? - You were talking about Welsh fryer. - Oh, well fryer, this kid. So we had Tom Purnell's his name. He is a, basically here's what he is. He's a Welsh baseball fan, and I think he's one of three Welsh baseball fans that live in Wales, and he gets up early for games and stays up late for games, and all that, he's a huge Padres fan. And yeah, the CEO of the Padres, Eric Reutner, hooked him up last night. He had the best seats in the house, the owner's box seats. I mean, they were right there on the on deck circle. I've gotten to sit there one time during the pandemic. They had the, they had the plexiglass in front. It was still amazing. And then we sat there for like a couple of innings, one time, which was like the greatest, it's the greatest view you'll ever have, and you can hear in the dugout. So he got the whole game, and he was sitting there, he had his Welsh flag. I mean, it was really special night for that kid. I remember Jase Tingler staring at the back of my head, 'cause the manager's actually behind you in your city of the seats. I looked over one time that when I was down there and Jase was before game, and he had his head in his hands, like contemplating, you know, this, that night's game. And I looked over and he saw me and gave me like a head nod, I gave him a head nod and I just looked away, 'cause I caught him in a reflective moment. But really nice night for Welsh last night dude. I mean, had a really, really great time, and he'll be, I think he's going down for batting practice again tomorrow. So double batting practice. The kid really has announced his presence with authority here in America. And don't be surprised if he's running around the gas lamp here in about three years, because I think moving to San Diego is definitely on his Welsh bingo card. He wants to get here and great night for him, great night for the guys. He got to see the game on Monday, Labor Day, which was a phenomenal, phenomenal win. And then he got to see the game last night. If I'm him, man, I got to keep going back to the ballpark. 'Cause every time he goes, something really magical happens. So yeah, that's true for a lot of people. The season has to be. - That's true, yeah, that's true. I hope the street continues with your old powers tonight. As I'm going out this evening. - You know that expression, hey, it's a great place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. - Yeah, no one ever says that about San Diego. - Never. - There's never a tourist who goes, oh yeah, it was a great place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. No, everyone says, it's a great place to visit. And now I want to live there. That's what San Diego is. - Yeah, it just gets you, man. From the minute I landed here, I went, oh boy, this is-- - Like Vegas, you can say, oh, it's a great place to visit. I wouldn't want to live. - Sometimes not even a great place to visit. - Not always, not always, depending on how the trip goes. Arizona, oh man, we had fun out here. It's great, golf courses are nice, but I don't want to live here. Texas, where I'm from, no. - No, no, no. - Neither, neither. (laughing) - Is there even a nice place to visit? - Neither. We talked about what happened yesterday after the show. - No. - We haven't talked about it. - No, we haven't talked about it. - Should we. - Should we talk about it? - I vote. - Do people care? What's your vote? - Yes, why not? - 'Cause you know I'm about to drag you. - No. - You knew it was coming. - No. - I knew anything wrong. - No, you did. - I'd say fire away. - Fire away? We had a consultant meeting yesterday after the show. Now this was a self-imposed consultant meeting for how do we get better as a radio show, right? And this was my idea, go figure. And I-- - Good guy, I liked it. - Great guy. Our old radio consultant, his name is Randy Lay. Hello, Polly. Hello, what's he? That's how he talks, he's fantastic. - Fantastic. - Fantastic. So we're in there and we're, yeah, this is what he listened to a bunch of shows. He's got some notes for us. And I didn't know how long the meeting was. I've been in meetings with Randy, there were four hours long. Now he's doing this one on the arm, which means for free. So we didn't have to pay him, but he just wanted to help 'cause he's a great dude. And he really likes-- - Is that really mean for free? I've never heard of that. - He's on the arm for. - That's on the arm, don't worry about it. - He was in town recently. - Yeah, he was in town. - He was into our show. - Listen, our show, Randy's been a mentor to me forever, taught me pretty much everything I know about this business. And I just love the guy. He's not on staff or anything, but he said, I'll do that for you guys. I'll do an hour or so with you. So we get on and we're learning and Adam's in there and he's given his, I'd say, what's more than two cents? He's given his 50 cents. - Like 69 cents. - 69 cents, it's a $50 bill. - His $50 bill of service is $50 bill. Adam was given his and then Randy was kind of telling us, hey, this is what you could do better. What do you like? So we're talking about issues and things like that. And boy, I looked over to my right. At one hour on the nose. We went 10, 15 and it was 11, 15 and I looked over to my right and there's Ben and he starts doing the, I've got a tee time fidget and he's pulling his head. - It's a rock. - It's a rock and it started to go. And then at one point, he even did the, but he stopped himself short of the actual clap sound. He went and like, mine did almost and I went, all right, I guess we're wrapping it up now. - And we did. What is your deal? - All right, I am going to defend myself here. We had to pick a time in the schedule and this was the time that worked best for both of you guys. I had already had golf scheduled and I said, but I can make it work. It's gonna be tight, but I can make it work. And I wanted to stay and I was actually very excited about the session and I do appreciate Randy doing that for us. And I thought it was very educational and informational, but I did have to get going and I didn't, I didn't really want to leave in the middle of it. So I was kind of hoping it would end organically after an hour and I could tell and don't deny this. Randy was ready for it to wrap up too. He was at the stage of do we have any final questions? And I was simply and let's be honest. - Trying to move it along. I was trying to cut off Adam before he started asking more questions. I really was like, I do not want to sit here for 10 more minutes while Adam has three more questions. Well, I have to leave and Randy wants to leave too. I think I was doing everybody a public service with just a tiny bit of impatience there at the end. - I'll stand for two more hours. - I have you. - Absolutely. - I know you will. - I know you will. - I was learning so much. - But Randy was done. Randy was real dumb as though. - You don't know that. - He was ready to go. No, I saw his cues. I was watching closely for the cues. - So you're saying that you're really a student of the human condition? - I am the human condition. - I am the hero of this story. - You're the, you're a student of the human condition. - There should be a bend at every office meeting and session and seminar who at one hour or whenever it's supposed to end does the old (claps) - The clap. - All right. - Let's wrap this up. - Wrap it up. - Someone needs to do that because otherwise these things drag on forever. I think no one wants things that drag on forever. - Someone needs to do the hand clap that really wraps it up and cuts off the rest of conversations. - I think it should resolve itself of its own momentum. - I'm going to end every show from now on with me. (laughs) All right, four hours is done. We're not talking anymore. Annie and Elsner up next. Hand clap that cuts off all future conversation. - It's a heroic move in my part. - I think the thing that bothered me. - Heroic. - I think so. - As a thing that bothered me. - I know I was going to get dragged green. - I knew I was going to get dragged for it and I was okay with it because someone needs to do it. - You want to military discount later too? - Every meeting. - How much is it? - I think what bothered me was that I knew that he had a tea time. That was the tea time clap that got me. If you just had, you know, whatever, normal stuff. All right, whatever. But the fact that he's like, I got to go play golf. - In my mind-- - You get a two shot penalty if you don't make your tea time on time. - What it says to me is, my golf is more important than our show. That's what it says to me. - No, that's fine. - Don't think of it that way. - Okay, all right. - Okay. - Well, I'm glad we got that hour. - My mental health is good for the show. - That's true. - That is also true. - And golf is something I do. - That's true. Our boss Michael says-- - Let's meet today after the round team. - Michael? - No. (laughs) - No, I can't. - I cannot. - I cannot. But no, yeah, it was, you know, she's one of those quintessential Ben moments. That's our Ben. It didn't really bother me that much. We got a lot of good info out. - We got a lot of good info out. - We did, we did. But I saw, can't you tell how much better our show is today? - But I saw the-- - The hand clap. And yeah, Pete Ben saw me seeing him. And he's like, if I make the sound, he's going to go through the room a little bit. - I saw you to the-- (grunts) - I wish I should have filmed it. Next time, Paulie, we got to remember to run tape and run-- - We have security footage in there. - And you listen to him. It's the thing that he does to me on the phone. - Hello? - Yep. - Yeah. - Oh, oh, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - All right, see you later. Jesus, bye. - And you hang up the phone? You're like four seconds we were on the phone. I had three questions. - You're the one who stares daggers at work meetings when someone asks you a question, right? - It's true, but you're my co-host. I call you on the phone. I wanna have a nice relaxing conversation. I don't wanna be like, "Hey, man, we gonna do this tomorrow." Like, it's so frantic. He's like, "Uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh It's machine gun, rapid fire. It's genetic. I was talking about my dad earlier. There's no faster conversations than me and him. Have you ever heard a conversation between two people who want the conversation to be over as fast as possible? - It's just a series of noises. - Less than 60 seconds every single time. I don't think we've ever had a phone conversation, it's gonna be a full minute. - Do you ever go to lunch with your dad? - No. - Never? - It'd be very fast. - You just sit there and eat. No one says anything. - But we both have been, we both be really happy and enjoyed it and that would be it. Is your dad that way with just you or is he that way with everyone? - I think we're both that way kind of with everyone. - It is so good, man. So, so good. I love it. Well, you're a gem and I'm glad you learned a lot. You're doing great, Ben. We learned that. Name check. Name check more, Ben. - You're also a gem. - Great idea, Woods. - You're also a gem and you're very entertaining. You've got lots of impressions and voices that you do. - I don't have-- - You're just my favorite actually. - I don't have many at all. - Here we go. - No, no, no, no, no. - Shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh. - But I tried one and our throwback Thursday clip, we will revisit Ben's impression. Not accent. We've done accents. - Yeah. - This is Ben's impression. - Oh. - Pauli will cue that up. - Five years ago. - 10 a. - Five years ago. - Five years ago. - Get to that. Coming up next. - Ben in Spanish. If you were Spanish. - C-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c. - Amazing. - I'd be good. They'd talk fast in Spanish. A lot of words. - That's so good. - Very quickly. - That's so good. - It's coming up next after traffic here on 97-3 the fam. - My dad works in B2B marketing. He came by my school for career day and said he was a big row as man. - I need to hold everyone how much he loved calculating his return on ad spend. - I'm going to get you a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit. - - In life some days are good and some could be better. The same is true for recovery. Both take work. Both take adjustments. Finding your path is a key part of your journey and then it's all about walking in every day. Embrace the good days, the not so good days, and the challenges. And acknowledge how you overcame them. Be open to every part of the journey and welcome it. 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Soccer superstar Alex Morgan of the San Diego wave has announced her retirement from the sport. Damn. Her final game will be this Sunday, September 8th at Snapdragon stadium against North Carolina courage. That's it. That's it for Alex Morgan. Seems like it's out of the blue. Obviously it's been a tough season for the wave and in particular a tough season for Alex Morgan who has not scored a single goal. I really hope she gets one in the last game. She is scoreless this season for the wave, but I had no idea that this was coming imminently. Because she's at the end of what has been a fantastic soccer career both domestically and internationally gold medal winning just two time World Cup champion and gold medal winner. That's a, that's a hell of a career, but we'll have more audio for you in the round will report in our nine o'clock hour of, of some of Alex's words, but she has made San Diego her home. She came to the wave embraced San Diego, started her foundation, has already done a ton for the community. This is big news in the soccer world that just broke moments ago, Alex Morgan announcing her retirement from soccer. So our last game this Sunday, September 8th. All right. That's going to pull probably pull from our attendance at the tier one baseball game, Polly. Do you think? Yeah. I think a lot of people are there to get good attendance. But it's going to pull from our attendance at five o'clock. See you can catch both. Our attendance. We're hoping for a big crowd and now personal adult league baseball game. Correct. And that's plenty of time to come catch a tier one dub up in Escondino clock and then straight on double head, double head or 20 minutes down the 15, get you to snap track. It's also a pot race game. It's one o'clock on Sunday's one. All right. It'll be a hot one. Congratulations. It's going to be very tough to get to all three of those games. Congratulations on a brilliant, brilliant career. All right, Polly, set the scene for us. So this was five years ago. So right at the start of another football season, five years ago. Yeah. What were we talking about? We're getting ready for kickoff and we had only been here a couple of months. And all the title of this clip is, is Ben does a woods impression. I don't know that I need to set it up anymore than I just did a bed impression. So I was literally driving in listening to you thinking, you're going to be fun to do. We got to. I think some context there. When we started here at 97.3, we were not six to 10. We were from 5 a.m. to 9 a.m. Yep. That almost forgotten. Old Elton John over here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Showed up at 5.30 every day. So I didn't get home from channel 10 until after midnight. I did not fall asleep until one. Yes. And getting up and getting here by 5 a.m. was just too much, just too much for me. So I pull in around 5.25 or so. We were here at four. We started the show at five. We did at least two segments before Ben ever. Which was great. I loved it. I'm going to start showing up just for Potter's rap. I'd like to do it again. So that's why Ben was listening to our show while driving in. I was literally driving in listening to you thinking, you're going to be fun to do today. What? We go division by division and then woods goes, you know what we don't do on this show is we all go division by division and pick our NFL winners and I'm good. But that's fun. I like doing that. But you just do an imitation of me, by the way, we don't do NFL division by division. We're different. I mean, we're not revolutionary or anything, but we don't go division by division and pick winners. We just don't do that here. I mean, we have and it's lame. It's lame. I'm trying to avoid the first day of the NFL season. What if people don't care what we think? You want to be on record? Yes, they do. They kind of do. I mean, they don't care. They shouldn't, but they do. They don't care. Are we in agreement on this now, finally, you finally believe you're in your NFL preview yesterday? Give your Super Bowl champion. We literally took 14 seconds on our NFL season preview. We do have our first NFL threesome coming up. We're going to do that a little bit differently this year as well. I like how he's coming up at 9 20 this morning. So when I started and I didn't have it, but I thought in the second part of the clip, I kind of nailed it. I want to know. Did you just do an imitation of me, by the way, we don't do NFL division by division. We're different. I mean, we're not revolutionary or anything, but we don't go division by division and pick winners. We just don't do that here. I don't, I don't talk like this. We don't do that here. Sounds identical. You sound like a like a nine or 10 year old boy that thinks he's older. Yes. Hey dad. Can I borrow a razor? I got a shave. One hair off my face. My dad, let me get the remote dad. What's for dinner? Hey dad. I can't find my deodorant. Did you steal it? Cause I used deodorant. Yeah. I would deodorant by division. We're different. I mean, we're not revolutionary or anything, but we don't go division by division. I mean, today is that day. If you want to do it, we're not doing it. I know. We have a fall. We're not doing it. Six one nine says, I thought that was what's actually, that's exactly, I was, I was nailed it. Nailed it. I don't think you did. Oh, of course, is what's the only reason we're here is because we care what you guys say. All right. Fair enough. Speaking of football season, it also means a whole new list of promos for our, our imaging director at the station to handle that also happens to be Paul Reindel, not just the executive producer of this show, but he's also the imaging director for 97 three, the fan. So all the great promos that you hear during our breaks, our rejoins coming back into segments, going into traffic, Paul is responsible for putting all those together with, you know, the music and the different. Jared Goff and my lions host Matthew Stafford on the Rams on Sunday night football in a game that should feature tons of scoring. Our coverage begins Sunday following the Padres Giants game. The NFL plays here on 97 three, the fan. Yeah. That's our voice guy. What? What's his name? Do we know? Uh, it's just voice guy. It's just voice guy. The voice of God. He's our voice guy. He works in some studio somewhere and Paul, he sends him the scripts. Do you write the scripts or does Adam write the scripts as they were usually writes them and then he sends them over to me. The voice guy sends a file over to me and sometimes he'll read the full script. Sometimes it's just a bunch of parts. Yeah. I'm going to save, you know, Sunday at 4 30. That's going to be used a ton. Sure. So I'll just save those and then I have them to. His name is John Riley. Adam says John. John Riley. I wasn't going to blast it out there. Oh, no. Now all of a sudden these anonymity has been exposed. Uh, John Riley's life. John C. Will never be the same again. And John's great. We've played some clips from him before for whatever reason. It's kind of like how if you say something woods, it's not that funny. If Ben says the same exact thing, it's the funniest thing we've ever heard. When the voice of God, the station voice guy is not talking necessarily in promo mode and he's curses or it's amazing. It's funny. He's a bit master. He kills me every time. He kills me every time. And I got it. I'm getting it from all angles now because I got you guys who takes you five minutes to record a 30 second spot when we have to record those after the show. More woods than they do. Right? Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Ben, three, two, one. Hey, it's been. Oh, I've got much better. Hey, it's been here. Hey, what did you just eat that one? All right. Three, two, two. What? And I'm just sitting there. I'm like, read it. Poly's rotting. John is reading. Poly's rotting in here on a Friday. So I deal with you guys at least two or three times a week. And then I'm doing production all week because it's the NFL season. We got several games that you'll be hearing Sunday night, Monday night football. And John has caught whatever bug you guys caught because listen to how hard it was for him to just read one by the way, 15 second line. All right, here we go. Jared Goff and Jared Goff and the Lions host Matthew Stafford and the Rams Sunday off Jared Goff and the Lions host Matthew Stafford and the Rams on Sunday night football in a game that should feature two tons. What the **** am I reading? Sorry. English would be good English would be a good language to speak. Bear with me a second. John's host Matthew Stafford on the Rams Sunday night. Wow. Jared Goff and the Lions host Matthew Stafford on the Rams on Sunday night football in a game that should feature tons of scoring. Our coverage. The NFL plays on coverage begins Sunday at 4 30. The NFL. Nope. Could you tell I got up? Our coverage begins Sunday at 4 30. The NFL plays here on. The NFL plays here on San Diego's number one sports station 97 three the fan so good. He was scuff everyone and probably I don't know if you call it. Everyone is dying to replay when Annie joined the station and we had to get the last name of Annie and he Hyle Hyle. He had a lot of trouble with that one. He is fantastic and I love that he does the bits and doesn't just send over it clean. Not such for Paulie. At least we get to play it on the air. We do the next day and it's always good and we will also get to hear one of his legendary flubs. Oh yeah. The intro to our next segment when Eno Sarris joins us for the smart baseball segment which is coming up next and Paulie will maybe later in the show. I got it ready. Yeah. Annie Hyleburn as well. So stick around for that if everyone remembers it. They're asking for it. We will deliver a little bit later but Eno is coming up next. Eno. Harris. No. Sarris. Get a join us next on San Diego's number one sports station 97 three the fan. Eno Sarris was telling us that someday you may regularly see fast balls getting up to you know 105 110 didn't know it was going to happen so fast though are going to ask him about Ben Joyce's extra velocity for the Los Angeles Angels coming up. Our smart baseball segment Eno is standing by. Don't forget we have Eno open to right after this check of traffic on 97 three the fan. It's time for the super polished just to be named smart baseball weekly segment with Eno Harris, Sarris son of a bitch brought to you by seven mile casino just seven minutes from the ballpark by the pay in Chula Vista. Here's Eno Sarris with Ben and Woods on 97 three the fan. Another flub from the great John Riley there on Eno's open as we welcome him and the segment brought to you by seven mile casino. Eno from the athletic. Good morning to you. Nah, good morning to you it's just the Padres world and we're all living in it. I'm telling you man it's uh there's no shortage of exciting moments of Petco Parquino. Yeah I kept thinking to be uh Jackson money Merrill last night and uh and then said uh Fernando Touchis re announced this is a surprise. Yeah, surprise he's back and then surprise my shirt came off in the celebration. Oh this happened again where they're based on the east coast that woke up and go oh son of a bitch. He's back. Yeah he's back. Yeah he uh he hit the ball really hard a couple times before that last hit um and uh and so I kept feeling like okay you know this is he's starting to get back. You know what you're what you're seeing I think is the interesting with the teeth and you saw it with Julio Rodriguez and there's um a couple other guys that's not so much of a of a like a rehab stint in the minors and just the idea maybe that um you know what's like getting your timing back against inferior opponents who finally it's like you know you're still going to come up and still have an adjustment period and the major league can you get back up. Um because everyone throws the ball harder and and locates better so uh why not just have that adjustment period and the major league and the and the question is like is a rehab like is a rehab stint for NFCT better than like you know having as a part in the lineup and you know the answers I think over sounding yes you know early in the game of the storyline was the return of you Darvish and obviously uh it didn't go completely smoothly uh command seemed to be a little off of what if you had a chance uh saw about his his stuff in the game yesterday I thought I thought you got 11 swing and miss so I mean still seem to have some of the classic you Darvish repertoire yeah I thought he looked alright um you know getting the cobwebs off himself um you know and I think uh I think I think it'll be okay the the the thing that I see with him is uh the command wasn't all the way back um you know in terms of of the stuff metrics they're all there uh he's got the great breaking balls the fastball still performs really well you know he doesn't use it as often um but he had what you know I have a number also we don't talk about as much called location flux which is the you know count and pitch type adjusted the locations of the plate um and he had a he had a really poor number there um so I think that's just um you know getting back on the on the mound and and that's that's the sort of rusty you'll see what pictures talking to our pal you know Sarah's from the athletic here on bed and woods this morning and I want to get to your piece that you wrote I'm fascinated with it about starting pictures that I've switched teams but quickly I wanted to ask you I mean unless you're a Dodger's broadcaster you were pretty amazed by what Ben Joyce was able to do the other night fastest pitch in the stat cast era 105.5 is pretty astounding to think about I've watched him pitch it's it's a marvel I mean it's it's just insane to watch the velocity uh that this kid has and I wasn't he throwing the 103 in college so I I don't know why everyone was no he had he had 105 plus in college to get the record for the fastest pitch in Division 1 baseball just insane um there's a thought that you know it's just there's so many ways I can think about it I mean one you know people are like why isn't struck out right better well because shape matters and he is kind of more of a synchronous shape on his fastball than a then a foreseen shape um you know that that that explain some of but he will never give up tons of homers you know you throw 106 with a sinker you know yes you might give up some hits but you're never going to go to homers um another thing I think of is people like to say um oh well we measure things differently and guys used to throw it's hard and one thing I will say is that the maximum velocity where he's throwing 105 five Chapman's been right there other people have been right there we haven't blown nobody's gotten a 106 plus 106.0 plus you know um and uh since the maximum hasn't changed since we've been doing it I'm pretty sure that there were guys back in the day maybe a Nolan Ryan maybe a Walter Johnson maybe any of these guys I bet you there were guys back in the day that threw 100 plus because the maximum hasn't changed that much so yeah there were there were guys what we have seen and I and I just can't I don't get how people can't see this is the the the like fifth starter you know like the the fifth reliever yes the guys that used to throw 85 87 they all throw 93 to 95 now and that's the price of admission in baseball now and people say oh we measure things differently and this and that and the other we have not made change anything about the technology or how we measure things 2020 and the amount of 95 mile an hour fastballs has gone from like 18 percent to like 38 percent in four years so I'm sorry you cannot tell me the velocity is not it's not up in the day I'm sorry it's like maybe the very top throwers through hard so that those are all the kind of things I think of when I see that I also wonder what they're going to take to get past 106 you know robot ligaments you know some some Giannis type guy out there you know some just huge guy that's even bigger than Chapman I just wonder I wonder how we get past 106 when the price of admission goes up even higher to like the mid 90s and everyone I mean it has gone up like you know 10 percent in our lifetime you know can hitters keep up at some point is there a limitation of human reaction that they're no longer at 60 feet six inches going to be able to hit the ball with any regularity I think we've seen hitters do a couple adjustments if you've looked around and I'm sorry Dennis Len we're still going to write this piece but we we've been looking at how you think about it other than like cover sauna who we love and it's part of this piece is the the way hitters hit has become more uniform you know no longer have Craig council you know opening up a umbrella in a phone you know like you don't have Tony Batista with the like crazy wide open stance the old crazy stances are gone the reason is you have no time you know there's no time to be wasted so when I talk to hitters a lot of times hitters that are taking a big step for they say oh I cleaned this up in the back you know I got I got tighter in the back I I had less movement in the back and and so hitters have become more uniform because they don't have any time they have to react another thing that I think of is that I think that you know the value of I'm going to say guessing but anticipating scouring reports and anticipating that has and then using something like a project which is this new hitting machine that basically shows you like the way that they there's like a hologram of the pitcher who's pitching that night delivering you the ball and so you can kind of get the whole delivery cue and everything so all that value goes up because you have to in order to hit 99 and also the 90 mile an hour slider I think you have to do some measure of anticipation some people call it guessing but that has a really negative connotation to it I would say anticipating the pitch so those are two things I think hitters have done since the maximum hasn't changed that much I do have some confidence they can continue to do so because they have improved I you know this is not a debate our hitters any better than a lot of people say no I say they've improved I think they stuck with it I do wonder what happens if we break past 106 and I am somewhat of a component of moving the mound back to reduce some of that deal yeah I think I'd be all for that I think most hitters would be at any level you know it makes me when I hear you know guys throwing a hundred and five I think to myself should I just get my kids into different sports right now it's hard to comprehend you know it's hard to comprehend the mind going there but I want to talk about your piece that you just posted in the athletic about one other thing oh yeah go ahead it did just real quick on that one because my kids a little small and like he's he's gonna be you know developing later like I did I was puberty in high school dude was one of those guys I grew up foot in high school and then Joyce is the same guy wow he was so small that he couldn't make his his high school team until senior year by the time he'd grown a little bit more and he grew in college some more so you know some of the that's something that happens you look around little league right now the guys who developed earlier are dominating there are guys on that field that are smaller that are going to be pros and you just don't know it yet it's so good yeah I mean it's it's all about kind of the the heart and how much you put in the work certainly but enjoy has had a twin brother who throws ninety seven at top good God feeding those kids desire but it's desire yeah brother and he he said all of life he just wanted to throw his heart possible sorry I cut you up no I said no I want to I want to ask you about your piece and I love this it's it's in the athletic and it's talking about it's the starters who change teams at the deadline and then altered the way they pitch you started off by saying as a pitching coach it's an exciting proposition you get a major league quality starting pitchers been in a different organization then you get to get your your hands in the dough so to speak and you go I'm watching your starts I'm watching your pitch mix it's all wrong we need to do it this way and then you obviously need you need buy-in from that from that picture he's been traded to your team you you mentioned kakuchi for the Astros is one that's changed in montas Aaron Savale as well to walk us through kind of what got you started on this and and what organizations do the best at honing or maybe changing what a pitchers it does yeah I mean I think that I think the brewers are actually a really good example of this I mean one thing that they that's cool with what they've done with Frankie Montas and Aaron Savale is they've revisited things that those guys have done in the past so they're not they're not having the picture arrive and they'd be like hey we're gonna have you throw a change up you've never thrown before right right more like we were looking at your pitches and with Savale they're like hey you used to have a slider we want to bring the slider back with a slight little tweak so that it's it's more different than your sweeper and that's that's what he's doing now and so he's a weird guy because the cutter is a fastball and it's sweeper is a slider so now this harder slider he's throwing is his cutter you know so it's that bridge pitch that kind of makes him kind of go show that you have the short cutter the little bit longer gyro slider and then the even longer sweeper so he's short medium long and that makes it hard for anybody to kind of be like oh this that's the sweeper that's the cutter you know and so they did something he'd done before but they had a little little tweak on it with Montas you know it started in Oakland here you start throwing a slider harder and the Milwaukee's basically said for the first time I don't even worry about the regular slider anymore the one that you came up with the one that you think is really good don't worry about that the cutter that you've been thrown 90 miles an hour that's the better pitch and so they just actually had him sort of turf pitch that you've been pitching forever I like that because it's within what they've done before and it's it's really good but yeah so I think the brewers are good at this thing one guy that I missed and I should have put on there tonight star correct yeah I was gonna ask you about that I it was just like you know I got into it with like oh these guys really stood out and and to some extent it's a bias on my part that I'm not sure it can continue at this level from our team sure but he has tripled his curveball usage like tripled and it's kind of amazing because I've never that's never what you think of with Martin Perez Martin Perez in the past has done little things where he's like oh I'm gonna try this now I'm gonna try this now and he's had little bursts of success he had some real good success in Texas but this year but usually what he does is up the cutter usage that's what he did in Texas and and then he's up the change of usage over his career this is the first time he's doing the curveball 27% of the time he was doing it 10% of the time in Pittsburgh and his previous high was 12 in his rookie season so this is a whole new look for him where he's kind of a four pitch 25% 25% 25% guy where cutter sinker curve change and I love it when I see those percentages line up that way because I think when you are truly random like that and they can't they can't they can't what I was talking about earlier about anticipating they can't really anticipate on him because now it could be any of those four pitches at any time he just needs to find this I mean he just lost the zone the last couple of outings he was so sharp his first there has been some discussion that he actually started it like the last couple of starts in Pittsburgh before figured switching organizations but clearly Ruben Ebela now he's a he's a maximum repertoire guy he's trying to add a pitch to just about everybody other than you Darv issue already has 11 of them but he tries to add pitches to most guys repertoire is when they get here now that's usually an off-season sort of thing but even in season you know Joe Musgrove has changed his even this year it doesn't ever stop I Joe Musgrove the new slider is a great example I cannot tell you how much I love rumen ebela I have never told him this I wish I need to find him and tell him because I think he is the best pitching coach in baseball and I just I think that that has that reputation has followed him I've had other people tell me that that about him and I think it's great one thing I saw I was at a conference they showed that if you add a pitch that's very different than your other pitches it adds value to your arsenal but one thing that it does is that pitch that is very different won't get swings so it becomes very important that you command it so it's interesting you're talking about my routine for Ed's really upping the curveball usage it's really important that he commands it because it's different than his other pitches if a hitter sees that different pitch they're more likely to not swing what he needs to do is throw a curveball in the zone it's so good Ruben's pretty good tier one so you may have just told him yeah there you go you know appreciate it a little talk to you next week thank you so much thank you brother all right thank you smart baseball with you know Sarah's brought to you by seven mile casino really good stuff as always your new man crush coming up next Trevor please Trevor please side it coming up next on San Diego's 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