Ben & Woods On Demand Podcast

8am Hour - Welsh Friar In-Studio + Bret Boone Joins The Show!

Ben & Woods start the 8am hour with the long-awaited appearance from our pal Tom aka Welsh Friar who is in town visiting from across the pond! Then the guys discuss chemistry in sports and the importance of having good chemistry in the clubhouse before we are joined by former big leaguer Bret Boone for his weekly conversation! Listen here!

Duration:: 45m
Broadcast on:: 04 Sep 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

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Recovery from addiction can take many forms and quite often it's a team effort. For those in recovery, having support often leads to a better outcome. And for those supporting people in recovery, they celebrate every milestone. Here's to family, friends, loved ones, healthcare providers and community groups who are essential to helping people find their path to recovery. If you or someone you know is experiencing addiction, visit cdc.gov/stopoverdose to learn more about the various treatment options available. - Oh yeah, we are halfway home on a Wednesday, Ben and Woods 97.3, the fan, such a pleasure to be here with all of you. Happy you Darvish Day to all who celebrate. I do, I will be celebrating you Darvish Day in my house tonight, certainly. Great to be here with you guys though. I'm Woodsy, that's Paul Rhyndo. He's the executive producer. Ben Higgins, you look like you have something to say, you're moving your hands a lot. - Just, I just wanted to-- - When I see that out of the corner of my eye, I'm like, oh God, I better hurry. I gotta hurry. - I don't have to hurry. - He's like, I'm starting it up. - I just know you have something to bring up and I wanted to finish a story from yesterday 'cause we did it at eight o'clock. - Okay. - Talked about my 20 year anniversary at Channel 10. - Oh God, did you get in trouble? - No, well, not in trouble. Remember, we talked about it yesterday and I mentioned it's coming up next week. - Next week. - Well, our news director, my boss, called me in a panic. - Yes, three afternoon ago. Did we miss your 20 year anniversary? Someone said you were talking about it on the radio. I go, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you haven't missed it. - It's actually-- - It's next week, you're good, you're good. She said, well, okay, I thought maybe we had missed it and I didn't want you to think that we had missed your 20 year anniversary. I go, Sarah, don't worry about it, we're fine. You don't need to do anything for me. I just mentioned that it was coming up. I saw it on the screen at Channel 10. It was my 20 year anniversary month but technically it was September 12th and she said, I looked it up, it's September 12th and I go, yeah, I know, you didn't miss it, you're good. But I guess they're on top of it, so. - Ben's like, my radio show literally forgot my birthday last year, so nothing would surprise me. Still, November 3rd of last year goes down as one of the worst days of my life. It's one of the lowest moments. And I've had some, I've had some luck. I've like picked up cigarettes off the sidewalk. - You realize, you know what I mean? - It was like the best birthday present you could have given me is giving me something to Lord over you. - That's true, that's true, forever. - You already have perfect presents. - You already have the cabs, so. - Oh, remember that time you forgot my birthday would? - I've got that forever. - I swear to God, man. - It's the best present. - I swear to God, people thought it was a joke, it was a bit, and I, on my children's lives, we had no idea and I will never forget him looking at us going, well, coming up next, this is kind of awkward, but I guess I need to address something, and what is he talking about? - What is he talking about? - You know, SD fat loss, live commercial or something, and I go, come over here, and I go, "Is it his effing birthday today?" And we just went, "Oh my God." - On the lives of my children, I walked in to work that day with no idea that it was my beloved, beloved radio soul mates. - And you went into like eight-thirds? - It was an eight, it was an eight. It was like right at the reset. - Yeah, and I just went, I can't believe it. I was legitimately, it was one of the worst, it was one of the lowest moments of my life. - Bro, I was waiting for two hours for the, like the shoe to drop. - Right, go. - Get some stripper to hold. - That way that something just surprised me with something over the top that's gonna embarrass me, and then after half the show was done, I'm going, "Maybe it's not actually coming." - Yeah, it's just woods confirmed, terrible friend. I mean, I truly, I felt so bad. - That's 96 to the ribs, and I'll wear that. How do you forget your buddy or radio soul mates birthday? - It's just a tough, tough look, but-- - One and two and a third is on a Sunday this year, so that Friday, just get ready, Benny. - Yeah, it's birthday month. - Hopefully we're still on the first World Series parade. - You're not allergic to like baby oil or honey or anything, are you? (laughing) Sounds both slippery and sticky at the same time. - It's gonna be, it's fantastic. - I just want to get a couple of things. Any allergies I need to be aware of? Shellfish or anything? - No, it's good. - All right, good. 'Cause you're gonna have a good day. You're gonna have a really good day. Want it to, once again, let everybody know, our pal Tom, AKA Welsh Fryer, is in the studio this morning. Tom, welcome again to San Diego in the States. Oh, Welsh National Anthem. Do you guys have to stand for your national anthems? - Yeah. - You do, okay. - Only if there's a flag present, right? 'Cause that's just American. - All right, get right up on the mic. Karate chop away, there you go. So how's it going, how's your trip? - Yes, been amazing. Yesterday was crazy. It's beautiful here. I went to L.A., it's disgusting there. - Yeah. - But yeah, I'm loving every moment of it. - Now you're 18 years old. - Yeah, exactly. - A babe in the woods. - Yeah. - You can't do anything. You can buy cigarettes. You can, I think you can, yeah, you can buy cigarettes. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Lottery tickets, go ahead. - Lottery tickets, play all the lottery you want. - Yeah. - Scratchers. - Scratchers. - You can have a ball. - Yeah, all of it. - Yeah, all of it. - Everything that you want there. - You can join our military if you could. - You could, I thought. - I thought for our country. - What about, what about, what about? - It's 18 or 21, probably 21. - All right, sorry. - Can't run a car. - Can't run a car. - That's 25. - Yeah. - You're many years away from that. - Any, you're a single man. - Yeah. - Any American ladies, catch your fancy. - I don't know, I don't know, maybe. Maybe not. - Oh, don't be coy. This is not the place to be coy. - You been to the beach? - Yeah, I have. - The beach is really nice. You're like a black beach today. - A lot of black beach, it's really great. Right then? - Not really. - That's like the ninth green at midnight trip. - Yeah, yeah. (laughing) - It's beautiful. - It's an all nude beach. - Go during the day. - But in Europe, that's where all the beaches are like topless beaches, right? - I don't know that they are in Wales. I don't know that you'd want to see a bunch of Welsh people nude on the-- - They're beaches. Do you guys have nude beaches? - I haven't, I haven't heard of one. I've not seen one yet. - Okay. - It's too cold even like undressed, I think in Wales. - Yeah, that's true. - Most of the time, so. - What's the weather like in Wales right now? - Terrible. - Terrible miserable. - It's probably not too bad at the moment. It could be raining, I don't know. - 64 cloudy, very high. - That's the middle of summer. - Yeah. - It's just dull, we've got a bad summer. It's boring. - Is it boring there? - Yeah. - That's why I want to live out here. - So you do have an interest in moving out here? - Yeah, 100%, yeah. - What would you like to do? - Uh, something in sports. - Like I'm doing sports journalism for college now, just going into it. So I want to hopefully use that to move over here and do something over here. - And what's your favorite sport, baseball? - Yeah, baseball. - By far. - Yeah. - And we talked to you like a year ago or something, the first time we ever met you and we thought, man, this is nuts. 'Cause this guy will get up at like three o'clock in the morning and do Ben & Woods live streams with us. He obviously watches the games over there, which is just an insane schedule. You can't do it when you're in your 40s or in your 30s, even you got a few more years left. You need to be here for your health to be able to watch the sport that you love. - Yeah, it's crazy. I've been up, you know, three, four, five, especially during big moments as well. Moscow has no hit, so that was at five o'clock in the morning. - Good, God. - It's four p.m., four or eight p.m. right now. And we're still 10 hours away from first pitch. - Over there. - Like here, yeah, first pitch, yeah. So whatever the math is. - Well, I'm glad you're here. I do need to put the CEO of the San Diego Padres on blast a little bit this morning. Sorry, Eric, if you're listening. But, so I told you guys earlier in the show, I had an email, do you know this? I got an email from your dad. - Yeah, about three months ago. - And I get this email in my Ben & Woods account and I look at it and I said, oh my God, Wells Fryer's dad just reached out. You know, huge power dad move. He writes when he goes, anything that you could do to enhance his experience, I would really appreciate. And I said, you know what, I'll do that. So I reached out to my people. - Which my dad did that. - Paul, you don't have a dad. - Paul, you don't have a dad. - You don't have a dad. - He did anything at all. - She just emails me. - Just stay out of the conversation. You don't know what you're talking about. - Paul, can you imagine getting an email from your own dad? - Oh, I can't. - It's wild. So, he best. I hate when you do this to me, man. - I love doing it to you. - I hate it so much. (laughing) - So I reached out, I got it all handled and talked to Wells' dad and he said, I got tickets for this game. And I said, let me get you on the field for batting practice. Least I can do. Get them all dialed in. So he's all set. So this morning Wells comes in and I'm sitting there shooting the breeze with him. And I said, all right, so Friday, the big day, you're gonna be, you need to show up at this time, this area, he looks at me and Wells goes, I think I'm going tonight to do batting practice. I go, excuse me? He said, yeah, pottery CEO, Eric Groubner and I spoke yesterday and I'm gonna be down doing batting practice tonight. So, Eric Groubner shows up with his perfect beard, his houndstooth jacket, his perfectly quaffed hair, comes right in and takes me and just right behind the knees, just whoa, undercuts me. So now he's gonna get down there Friday and be like. - You went to all those lengths for nothing. - Literally, literally nothing. - Literally nothing. So now, Friday, when he gets down there, he's gonna be like, oh, we gotta do this again. I gotta be down there four hours early. Hey, sander, yeah, good to see you again. How are you, nice game? Oh, look, it's Manny Machaud and see you the other day. How are you, bud? - How's the wife? - How's the wife and kids? - How's the wife and kids? I'm like, bro, like, no good deed, man. Just takes just right, like the back to the back of the knees, the cane as I'm walking by just yanks me. So, yeah, Welsh looks to be dead in the eyegas. I'm actually gonna be, I can't do the accent or I'll try, but he's like, I'm actually doing batting practice down there tonight. - Oh, all right, cool, cool. So, very cool. - So if anybody else listening is from Wales and wants to go to Friday, be happy to hook you with your family up and up and down, man? - Maybe that pottery's fan from Italy who was in the gym yesterday, but I have to make it out. If you get here in Friday, but given Wales, just take it to you, it is an experience to go down there and watch them hit. I mean, you played baseball, you have a baseball team in Wales, I'm still fascinated by that. It's such a different level when you see these guys hit up close. I mean, it's just the sound, the swings, the violence in which they swing, the beauty of it all, watching them track balls. - Spectacle. - Watching them take, it's my favorite thing to do, just watching them take ground balls and stuff before the game, just watching how good they are with their hands and it's just incredible, man. But, well, now you get to go twice. - Yeah. - This is like, you know what me and Eric Grittner, we're like divorced parents. He's the, that's what we are, yeah. - Competing for your child's affection. The competing for the love of this young Welshman right here and my ex just swooped right in and was like, that's taking it to Disneyland. We're going to the moon. - We're going to the moon. How about that? - We're going on a European vacation. - Thanks a lot, Gritt Dog. So yeah, enjoy your double batting practice, I guess, and my power move there. - Such a power move, it's a CEO move, Paulie. - I kind of love it. - Paulie, that's what a CEO does. - I'm sorry that happened to you, but man, it's bad. - It is such a hard-ass move to make. - Yeah. - Welsh, how would you like to be the brand manager of a radio station? (laughing) - I'll make that happen for you. - You know what, Welsh, to what, Eric, I'm going to leave for the day and I want you to take my spot for the rest of the day. - All right, we'll check traffic on Ben and Welsh. - Ben and Welsh. - And then we'll be right back with more on San Diego's number one sports station, 97.3, the fan. - My dad works in B2B marketing. He came by my school for career day and said he was a big row-ass man. Then he told everyone how much he loved calculating his return on ad spend. My friend's still laughing me to this day. Not everyone gets B2B, but with LinkedIn, you'll be able to reach people who do. 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You don't sink in and get stuck like with memory foam. And thanks to over 1,400 air chambers in the gel flex grid, you will sleep cooler on a purple mattress. Purple has a wide variety of mattresses from the original purple mattress to the Restore Hybrid Collection that combines gel flex grid with coils and the Rejuvenate Lux Collection, the height of luxury, with over 112,000 to five-star reviews to prove it. Visit purple.com to find the perfect purple for you and enter code podcast10 to get 10% off. All right, this is not going to come as a huge shock to woods, but I am not what you would call a big chemistry guy. Now, I don't think I hurt the chemistry on our particular team, but I would say woods and Paul are definitely the chemistry guys in the room, and I just kind of go along with things. I thought for a minute, you meant chemistry, like, elements. Oh, I do. Now, I am a big chemistry guy when it comes to the periodic table. That surprise, if you said I'm not the chemistry, I'd be like, no. Are you sure you're not? That's fun. Fun science, absolutely. I want to do, at some point, quiz you on the elements. We-- Oh, periodic table. Yeah, I would really like to try. It's been a while since I studied it, but that would make it more interesting. All right, so hold on. You're not a big chemistry guy. Well, you're the guy who you think it's important to do show activities, and you're the one who's driving the driving force behind-- You don't think that's important. You don't think that's important. I don't, really, that. I think that we can be successful without that. That hurts my feelings. Question. All right, let me know. I mean, I like-- It's fun. I think it's-- I'll push on the couch. Okay. All right. Many years did you do radio before you met me and Paul? Many years. How successful were you? Not that successful. Okay. There you go. Ask the answer. But-- Okay. Here's my point. I think it's fun. I like you guys a lot, but I think we'd have a good show no matter what. We came in here. You're good at what you do. You have a good attitude when you come in. Most of the time. I think I come in with a good attitude. Great attitude. And I think that's what makes the show successful. I bring this up because Kevin A.C. wrote in the UT today about the Padres' chemistry and how it's changed from last year. And if you talk-- You talk to people in the clubhouse, they say it's pretty much night and day. Yeah. Not that last year was necessarily a disastrously bad clubhouse where everyone hated each other. But there was no-- There was no love. There was no that feeling you get when you're all pulling on the same rope. And it's completely different this year. But the guys who have bought in are mostly the guys who were here last year. Joe, you, Tatiest, Manny, Bogarts. You know, the core people are the ones who have to buy in. They were all here last year. Obviously, you know, Jurik's in his help, Jackson Merrill has helped. He wrote about that. But it is amazing how one season and another season, for whatever reason, they've been able to do such a 180 when it comes to the chemistry on this baseball team. Yeah, I didn't believe in it for a long time either. I really didn't until you start to see it work and you start to see it. You start to flourish, you know, having that chemistry. It's not something you can really force, but you try to. And I think the Padres tried to early last season. Remember the pinatas? I mean, that fizzled like a wet firecracker man forced chemistry. I hate forced chemistry. Really, I mean, like, it's hard. Those guys spend those, they spend nine months out of the year in really close quarters. They're lockers while they're bigger than yours in high school. They're still pretty small, and the guy that's sitting next to you is as close as well as fire is to me. And you're looking at his ass every day and he's on his phone. And it can drive you nuts if you think about, oh, and then guess what? You got to get on a bus. Oh, and then guess what? You got to get on a plane. And there's one guy that's wearing you out, but you kind of got to wear. I mean, it's a can't get away from them. Really get away from them. It's a lot. It's a lot. Get their own hotel rooms. Yes. Yeah, they all have their own, yeah. Yeah, they all have their own. I would assume, I would have assumed something. Yeah, I know for a while they all still roomed with each other. Randy Jones told us about their spread in spring training when he was a player. And it was a cup of soup was they would go work out. I think it was in humor and they would go and be, you know, it's a little bit chunky. So he they would go out and run and then they throw and then they do a sim game and then they would come into the cafeteria and it would be a styrofoam cup of soup and they would eat it and then they go back to work. He comes, he's like, what the hell is it got got nine flavors of Gatorade. We had chunky one cup of soup was like liquid soup. Was their meal? That's it. And like a loaf of bread, you take a couple slices. These are big leaguers in the 70s, man. So, yeah, just the nightmare, but I think, you know, you spend that much time with each other. You bring in the right people and I think a guy like David Peralta, I think a guy like Louisa rise and I think a guy like Jackson Merrill, you put those three in the mix, David Peralta, his first day here. I'll never forget him walking through the, the dugout. And you would think like, Hey man, first day on a new team, I'm just gonna keep my head down, kind of fall in life. He was in the, the dugout beat in his chest, beaten everybody up. I was like, he and her eyes are the two social butterflies. Now we're talking every every locker. Say hi to everybody as they come in. But again, you can't do this without the buy-in of the star long-term sign players, like Manny Machado, Jay Cronoworth, Fernando Tetis Jr, Joe Musgrove, you Darvish, they were all here last year. They all, whatever it was, they got together with my chilt. Yeah, but you had to change it and it has changed. It's changed completely. And just like the, when we talked about the buy-in on the approach, sticking with it, even when things weren't totally working and they were five games under 500 and they were struggling in the first half of the season, never ruined the chemistry on this team. Last year, it feels like the chemistry was always hanging by a thread. They could never get any momentum going. I, I would love to know what would have happened last year. If they had just had one seven game winning streak early in the year, obviously winning, winning helps. Yeah, like 99% of that, it's, it's a lot easier to be lose and having fun and camaraderie when you're winning. They never did that last year and you mentioned them, but I think Jackson Merrill deserves so much credit because it just looks like, not that they weren't having fun before Jackson Merrill got there, but I really feel like he's got some leadership qualities to him, but he's out there having so much fun. Well, that and the fact these older guys are like, yeah, that's right, man. Well, like we're on baseball cards. We're in video games. We get the superstar treatment, but this is fun. Don't forget, dude, that when a rookie comes in and is playing better than you, that doesn't feel good. Yeah, it doesn't feel good. And you're like, it's gonna get my ass in gear, man. I can't get shown up by a 21 year old that doesn't know S from Shinola. He's playing a new position like a grudge thing. It's not a grudge, like jerks and pro far heading into the season. He's like, I'm gonna prove it deal one million dollars. No doubt. There's no doubt. And we got this rookie who hasn't even played in the outfield yet and he's gonna be lining up next to me now. And the other thing too that you can't not mention is is Mike Schilt. You just you have to mention Mike Schilt. And I'll tell you, I don't know if you guys do this. Yeah, of course. Of course. Do you guys think about the Padres winning a World Series? And and what would happen after the the special that they would make about it? Like the 30 for 30 for 30, but like the DV, do you hear these today or DVDs that come out, right? Yeah. And I think about it a lot. I do. I'm that my brains wired that way to go back and watch the highlights of the season. And I think you would have to put in montages of Mike Schilt getting up in front of the media after a six one loss and defending his team. And I think you would have to put Mike Schilt on there defending his team's effort every day this season, really every single day this season, as much as I've go to him to try to get him to say one even half ass negative thing about his team, he won't do it. He won't do it. And you're telling me that doesn't have an effect in the clubhouse? Of course it does. So he deserves a lot of credit there too. If I'm the director of 30 for 30, I start with Ben and Woods in the morning. Yes. I started the end of last season, the disappointment and everyone going there's kind of separate ways going, what, what, what went wrong? What happened here? And then I pick it up at camp camp 44. I think you put Peter Joe Musgrove. Yeah. Peter's part of that beginning. That's definitely part of it. It was it was a really bad season followed by the worst news in November. Correct. Well, I see so many questions leading into the season. I see a lot of people bringing up the name one Soto. And I understand why you'd go there. But it doesn't always make easy sense because if you look at this year's Yankees team, I think they'd mostly agree. Chemistry has obtained since he got there. They have played they underperformed last year. He's joined the team. They have blossomed with one Soto on their team. You can't just simply say, Oh, the pottery has got rid of a cancer in one Soto. It doesn't it doesn't work that way. Necessarily a different story. Maybe that was one and somebody made brought up in the chat. There were a lot of passive aggressive comments about him last year a lot. Now when you look back and you go, Oh, okay. Didn't Joe have one? Adam says Soto did not deliver. He did he did deliver just not how you want it. Yeah. I mean, he had he was the best offensive player we had last year by far. So not probably up to his standards by any stretch, but and certainly not what we expected. But yeah, I think there's they've they've they've they've lost the right pieces and they've gained the right pieces. You know, the guys that they got back, the Higgies, the Michael Kings, those guys have been nails for us. And so many of them have have added even if it's a small piece like Peralta or Solano or a bigger piece like Merrill or Profar. Pretty much every addition that AJ Preller has made has been a positive both production wise and chemistry wise. All right, this is an interesting topic. I'm sure Brett Boone can add to the conversation on chemistry. He will join us host to the Brett Boone podcast or weekly segment with Boney, kind of up next on San Diego's number one sports station, 97 three the fan. It's typically Wednesday here on Ben and Woods. And don't forget, we still have Jesse Agler coming up at nine o'clock. Wow. Incorporated. And a rindle report, Welsh Fryer in studio. It's been a very busy Wednesday for no game on a Tuesday. Potters back in action tonight against the Detroit Tigers at 640. But standing by our friend Brett Boone, we'll get to our Brett Boone conversation right after a check traffic here on 97 three the fan. And we're joined right now by Odyssey MLB insider Brett Boone insider calls are presented by Granger told you have been getting a lot of Instagram ads for Granger lately with supplies and solutions for every industry Granger has the right product for you. Call click granger.com or just stop by Brett host to the Brett Boone podcast featuring the notable names from MLB and around sports every week morning, Brett. How you doing? Good man. How are you, Boney? I'm doing good. I got to ask you about what went down last night with the Yankees and Clay Holmes. His, you know, your brother is the manager 11 11 blown saves for Clay Holmes this year. Now my question is more to you a guy that played a position. And I know how you feel pitchers. I know how you feel. You've made it very clear over the years how you feel about pitchers. How frustrating is that to have a lead. And that happens to you 11 times. And when should a manager, you don't throw your brother under the bus, when should a manager look to make a change is 11 too many? Well, you're correct about me and pitchers. Don't care for them. But no, and all seriousness, when you're when you're getting to this stage of the season and you look at the Yankees. They're a playoff team. They're kind of cemented themselves. They're they're going to the postseason. And, you know, you really you feel for your closer, you feel there is no ill will when that happens. We know how hard this is. It's almost like, oh, when I'm not getting the big hit, when I'm not getting it done at crunch time offensively, you feel like everybody's looking at you. But, you know, I felt nothing through those years, through those good years, through those, through those bad years. Your teammates are there with you and they feel it because they're in that fight with you every day and they know how hard it is. Offensively, yeah, it's frustrating. But it's the same thing. You know, here's an example. I've had years where it seems like one of our starters, every time he pitches, we just don't give him any ground support. Nobody feels worse than the offensive players. Then all of a sudden it becomes something becomes a mental thing. And as the season goes on, it's like, we got to get some hits. We got to drive, you know, we got to score some runs for our guy today. And it seems to get worse and worse. The play holes. And, and I was thinking about this yesterday with the DJ LeMayu, who's been a big part of that organization for a long time. He's got two batting titles, two credit guys like that. When you are a playoff team, when you're going to the playoffs, it's been top, you know, one of the best records in baseball all year. You as a manager have the, have the, have the luxury of giving these guys a long leash. You know, you sit there and pry in New York right now. What's DJ LeMayu doing? What's Holmes doing closing? Definitely. Have that. You have that luxury because you know Holmes has got you. Watch Holmes pitch. I watch him pitch now as a hitter. I don't want to grab a bat. Yeah. He's got nasty stuff. And you know that. And he's been a successful closer. All of a sudden he's having a tough time and it becomes mental. But the manager has that option of having a long leash when you're winning games. Now if they weren't winning games, they're fighting for a wild card spot. Well then what happens happens? DJ LeMayu probably wouldn't be playing ever. And they'd be, they would have probably been exploring closer options at the trade deadline. But it's a different scenario. These guys are top of the league. They've been leading that league or you know, they're, they're, they're doing well. One of the best records of baseball. Aaron has that luxury of letting these guys play it out. Letting these guys that have a track record see if they can write the ship by playoff time. Now if Holmes gets to a point, it's three weeks from now. It's the same thing. You've got to do what you got to do. But I think give him the benefit of the doubt because of his body of work. And I was looking at that bullpen. Who do you go to? If I don't go to Holmes, right? Can I own maybe? Is that his name? How I how I pronounce it? He's got the stuff to do. Oh, Canley. But if he read it. Yeah. Yeah. Canley. Is he ready to step into that spot? It was September, by the way. Yeah. In September. Hey, you're the new closer. It's that's got to be a correct tough. Or do you do what the Texas Rangers did a year ago? And it was kind of bullpen by committee and Leclerc ended up emerging at the Euro and they won the World Series. I think that was a perfect storm. The Rangers, I don't think that's necessarily how it plays out every year. But you worry about it when you get there. You get to the playoffs first. You hope he writes the ship and gets his stuff. But I know as a player, when it's been going on this long, believe me, it's becoming a real mental thing for Holmes, because it's not a matter of how good stuff is stuff is spectacular. Well, we saw the Diamondbacks made the change at Closer fairly recently from Seawald to Justin Martinez. The results have been really good for them. But I think if I was ever a major league manager, which I won't be, but the one thing that would keep me like up the most is knowing when to stick with a guy who's slumping, whether it's a batter or a pitcher, knowing baseball's hard, and you got to be patient because you can't just be yanking guys on the lineup after every over four or every time they give up three runs and an inning, but also not waiting too long and going, I, at some point, I do have to pull the trigger and make change, send a guy down, change my lineup. Brett, where do you fall in the line between the patients and action if you're a skipper? I have to take everything in consideration. I have to take who's the player. What's the situation? How is my team playing? And actions will come from all those things as a whole. I can't just, it's not the same answer for every team. Like I said, if you're fighting for a player, you got to do what you got to do to find a way to get a seat at the table in the postseason. If you're cruising and your team's playing really well and you're going, you have the luxury of not having to make these snap jaw decisions on the fly. It's almost like the teams that are fighting to get there, it's almost like they're in playoff mode now where there is no tomorrow. You've got to make decisions that guarantee you that you win this game and then there's other teams that have the luxury of almost the end of spring training. Like, yeah, of course, we want to win every night. But we're in and I've just got to get my team right, get my team healthy going into the postseason. So there's so many different scenarios that play into the decision making process. Who is the player? See a rookie with no track record or see a four-time all-star that I know eventually is going to come around. All these things have to have to be accounted for before you make a decision. Let me ask you this. I love when we have young because I love asking you from the player's perspective, talking to Brett Boone here on Ben & Woods this morning. Was there a time in your career where if you got shuffled in a lineup, it would really bother you? Now, every player's different, right? We've talked to Jake Cronoworth. He's like, I'll hit three, I'll hit seven, I'll hit nine, I don't care. I just want to be in the lineup, help the team win. Then there's other people. I really don't like to hit two. I like to hit three. I get my numbers at three. I don't like to hit one. When you came up, I mean, I'm looking at your career numbers, but there's a pretty good stretch there of 20 plus pops every year. And you know, if the skipper came, he said, "Boonie, I'm going to slide you down to the six." Is that something that you're like, "Huh, really?" Or are you like, "Whatever you need, Skip?" No, absolutely. No. No, you're right on. I mean, the Cronoworth's right thing, the right thing. But you look at Cronoworth and you look at this lineup. There's some guys in that lineup that kind of, all right, Cronoworth. You kind of have to do what you've got to do. I've been at that stage of my career where it's like, man, you know, some years, would you? I felt lucky. Just as long as I have a uni in my locker tomorrow. It's way up straight. You're like, "I got them all fooled." Right. But then there's stretches in my career where, you know, I kind of heard, I was the three-hole hitter. And heck yeah, the skipper came to me and hit me fifth. I'm like, "Wait a minute. What's going on?" I'm the three-hole hitter here. I'll tell you, I'll give you a good example. It happened to me. I believe it was 2004-2005. I was coming off some really big years. And I was starting to get to the end of my career. I was starting to get a little bit older. You know, you don't want to admit it at the time. But I remember they came in, and it was a big deal, because Raul Obanyes came back to the Mariners. I love Raul. And they were going to hit him third. And that was my hole. And I'm going, "Wait a minute. You don't just move me out of it. You know, like, I'll get it going again. And you're fighting it. You're like, I kind of know I'm getting older. And I'm not the guy. I was two years ago. But that's my three-hole. So yeah, your ego definitely takes a hit. At the end of the day, you get it right. You still have to be a pro. And when the game starts, it doesn't matter where you're hitting. You've got to have a good attitude and do whatever you can to help that team win. But definitely, egos are touched. You know, we have egos as players. And probably they're the biggest when you're in your heyday and getting things done and playing really well. Yeah. You definitely have an ego. All of us do. And sure, the little thing like moving you from four to five, from five to six. Initially, it really hurts. And you know, you don't walk around the clubhouse yelling at people. But inside, you're going, damn, how can they move me down there? And you know, you're out to prove that you're going to move me back into that three-hole one I show you. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. So am I a naive, am I naive, Boonie, when I say that when crony told me that he was lying to me, I naive, I believed it when he said it. And I, knowing him a little bit, I kind of believe it, that he's like, whatever, whatever you want to play. Jake has to pinch himself sometimes. I'm in Atlanta with Manny and Tatisse and Zebo Garth. I'm in third most day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. No, no. And I think, I'll tell you, I don't know because you never know until you're in that clubhouse. But I think the players today, it's a little bit different. That three-hole today is kind of on some teams considered the two-hole, where you're best hitter. You know, you go to the LA Dodgers, you got Mookie Betz league. No. So it's not like it used to be where that three and four-hole, those were the coveted holes. That's where the guys, your big boys hit every night was three and four. So those were a little more looked about. Today, it's a little bit different. You have random guys sitting in random situations. And a lot of times they like to have their big boys in the one-two hole. Sure. So the dynamic change, but yeah, as players, we kind of like to come to the ballpark, look at that lineup and lineup. For sure. And yeah, everybody has any, but you also have to look yourself in the mirror. What kind of team am I on? Who were the players surrounding me? When I came to the big leagues, it was Ken Griffey Jr., Edgar Martinez, Jay Booner, and they were all raking all driving in 130 rounds. And they said, "Boonie, or do you want to hit?" I said, "Obviously, I'm going to hit in three-hole." Now, I was sitting at the side. I was kidding at the time. I hadn't done anything yet, but you got to know your place. Like, right now, I'm not going to hit third with Edgar and Griffey and Booner. I'm probably going to hit seventh. And that's the way it was. But when you earn your stripes and when you prove that you have the ability to hit in that three-hole, yeah, it becomes an ego thing where I want to hit third because I deserve to hit third. And we all get caught up up in it, but at the end of the day, it's about winning games. Talking to Odyssey, inside of Red Boon, insider calls are brought to you by Granger. And before you joined us, we were having a conversation about chemistry and how much better it is on the Padres this year than it was last year, even though mostly the same players. And wanted to get your perspective on what makes good and bad chemistry experiences you had with it. I mean, do you feel like guys have to do things off the field together for good chemistry or is that is that superfluous? It's all in the clubhouse. What's your philosophy on making a good chemistry for a baseball team? Okay. I thought chemistry was a bunch of garbage. I never believed in it until I got to Seattle in 2001. That changed my mind. Chemistry to me is not about the off off the field stuff. Going to dinners, kumbaya, going frat brothers. No, that's not it at all. It's coming to the game and genuinely pulling for your teammate. And when I say genuinely, people think, "Oh, you always pull for your dude." Not always. I felt a lot of times that guys were pulling against me. Ben, you would have been a great baseball player. When you generally come to the ballpark and pull for the guy hidden in front of you, for the guy hidden behind you, when you're on the bench and you're not coming up for five spots, you're genuinely pulling for that guy. That's chemistry. Playing the game right, that creates chemistry, moving a runner over so the next guy can hit a sack line, driving a run. That's chemistry because then he's going to do it for the next guy after that. But to be honest with you, you got to have talent. Talent's what's wins. And now you add chemistry to that. Now you got something really special. I think the Padres do have that. I played for the 99 Braves. Chemistry, we're fun. Got along. I really liked the guys from our 99 Braves team and we were great. And we would, Bobby Cox would say, "Put the lineup up and I want you to go steam roll your opponent." And that's what we did. We were very workmanship. It was very lunch box to work. And we had a ton of talent. We won 104, some 103, 104 games won on a World Series and lost. That 2,000 mariners, although we didn't finish the deal, that's chemistry like I've never seen. Genuinely, I think on that team, all 25 guys on any given evening, I wouldn't mind going to dinner with any of them. And that's a reach because that's the only team I've ever been on. You play from 7 to 10 every night. You go to war with these guys, but then you pick your friends after the game and every team I've ever been on, I pick my friends after the game. But that 2,001 team, there was something special about it. Were any mix, any group of guys could go out and they really genuinely got along. And that's because they really genuinely were pulling for one another once their game started. It's nothing I've ever seen before. It was a special, special time. -Boney, great job. As always, really appreciate it. We'll talk to you again next week. -Thank you, guys. -All right. -All right. -Thank you, buddy. I was the elite. -M-Helpy, insider, Brett Bohn, insider calls presented by Granger with supplies and solutions for every industry. Granger has the right product for you. Call clickgranger.com or just stop by. What he was describing, though, genuinely pulling for your team is what fans do every day. We may not love every player on the team, but even when your least favorite player comes up, you're still hoping, hey, they get a hit and move the runners over and try to help your team win. -Yeah, I feel like that's changed since Twitter was invented. I really feel like that's changed. We all have those guys growing up that you're like, "Man, if they could-- we'll take a bag of rocks for this guy," then he comes through and you're like, "About time." You know what I mean? Like, it's just that there's a little toxicity that's in there, which is, you know, it's fine. It's fine, but I love that. What a great hit. -But, essentially, he's saying, you just have to be a fan of your own team. -Yeah. -You know, like a real fan. Like, you're-- you may not be in a lineup that day, but you're pulling for everybody. And that's what people feel in a dugout, in a clubhouse, that everyone just wants everybody to do well, which is hard, because when you're a fan, no one's stealing your spot because they had a three-for-four day, and now I'm on the bench again, and it's going to cost me in free agency next year. You just have your team won. -Should be that way. -There's more dynamics, though, with the players. -Strup. -All right. Jesse Agler is coming up next. -Thanks to the Padres on a very busy Wednesday. It's the Incorporated and more. When we come back, final hour on San Diego's number one sports station, 97-3 the fan. -My dad works in B2B marketing. He came by my school for career day and said he was a big row as man. Then he told everyone how much he loved calculating his return on ad spend. My friend's still laughing at me to this day. -Not everyone gets B2B, but with LinkedIn, you'll be able to reach people who do. Get $100 credit on your next ad campaign. 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