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Fourteen points, not good enough. The way the offense started this game with the drive that they had was fantastic. Okay, I mean, it was I think it was a thirteen play, you know, seventy five, whatever, whatever ended up being. It was a great drive to go down. They put points on the board. Okay, seven and nothing. Let's go. This is going to be the offense. This is how they're going to go. It obviously only got worse from there. They put together one other drive in the second half where they started to lean on Northern Illinois. I leaned over to Brian. What during that drive, I was like, this is what they should have been doing this entire time. They're leaning on them. They're running the football. They're moving it down the field. They're eating clock and they're ending it with points, right? And you saw the talent, obviously in Jeremiah Love and what he was able to do with the football in his hands. And I think somebody mentioned it after that amazing touchdown run that he had where he breaks a tackle, keeps over another guy's scores. I think was thirty seven yards out. He touched the ball one more time the rest of the game. So make that for what you will. Maybe we save that part for the coaching aspect that we're going to talk about. But boys, the offense today, you know, we weren't happy with the defense and I wasn't at all. But we're going to spin it over to the offense and this goes right back to what Trevor was saying about what Marcus Freeman said on the broadcast. Apparently, this is the offense that Marcus Freeman wants and they didn't even execute it. Offense was bad, guys. Ryan hit it. Prize picks is America's number one daily fantasy sports app with over five million active members. Prize picks is the easiest and most exciting way to play daily fantasy sports. Unlike other apps on prize picks, it's just you against the numbers. 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Why are you bringing in why receivers like Chris Mitchell, who's rumored to run in the four threes recruiting why receivers like Cam Williams who by the way I haven't seen yet on this season but that's a conversation probably for a different podcast. Why are you bringing in Mike den Brock as your offensive coordinator who just led an offense that average or 46 points per game and had a Heisman Trophy winning quarterback number two overall draft pick and two first round wide receivers. Why are you bringing that all in. The thought process is to be an explosive, any efficient offense, right to bring that explosiveness back because Notre Dame hasn't been an explosive offense in several years. And I'm sitting here two games in, you scored 23 against Texas A&M. Okay, I sat back and said, maybe that's just how Marcus Freeman chose that they needed to win this football game and they did. So okay, I will take a step back and I will listen and I will watch. Then you go into this game, you failed to create explosive plays, you scored 13 points at home against a Mac team and if Mac team honestly, who's all offense I thought going into the game is a lot better than their defense a whole lot better than their defense. You all were lied to. There is an issue here and when I said there was an issue earlier in the show, this is an issue of offensive philosophy. There's a bigger issue here. We'll talk about again. I want to say it for people in the chat because they get really mad at me about this. Riley Leonard suck tonight. Okay. Other players offensively suck tonight, but there is a bigger issue. Okay, we've talked about it on this show, Brian's talked about it Vince. I know you've talked about it a little bit. I've talked about it Sean. I think we've talked about it in certain spots. There is a, I don't want to say passiveness, but there is a, there is a methodicalness to how this team wants to run offense. They want to be ball control. They want to be a offensive line driven team, which I'm fine with in a vacuum. But they don't know how to create explosive plays. And am I supposed to believe that Mike Denver, who has done nothing but create explosive plays for two years down at LSU and now has all these talents to play with because we'll talk about Jeremiah love because that boy is different. Okay. I'm supposed to look at Jeremiah love Riley Leonard from an athlete perspective again, bad quarterback tonight but athleticism perspective just stay with me there. Chris Mitchell, Bo Collins, the tight end room. And I'm supposed to look at that and say, that's a Mike Denver thing. Absolutely not. There was a philosophical issue at Notre Dame offensively. We could talk about the quarterback and we will. Again, he was bad tonight. But there is an issue here offensively guys philosophically, and you should feel lied to. If you want to be frustrated tonight, you are promised explosive offense. You were promised that upgraded offense. You were promised championship level offense. And we don't have that. And it's incredibly frustrating. And we saw that tonight. John. Oh, I was going to let Trevor had because I'm talking a little bit more than everybody else would. Yeah, man. The bar is right. And I think honestly it's affecting everything under the tree. It starts at the top. All kinds of philosophy. It makes sense. The philosophy on how to play offensive football, you know, your defense and win games. And unfortunately, it's 2024. Football college football has totally changed. Since he played Ohio State and since Jim Trussell was coaching. It's just different now. And like you said, we feel like we've been sold a pipe dream. And then not only sold every different to sell it. And then you don't go out and make it seem as if you're changing the philosophy from a talent acquisition standpoint, but only to do that and stay the same. And it's like it hurts, it hurts even more. Because it's like you double down on the line. And then start and decided to masquerade it. Even more instead of just being who you were and just flat out saying this is who I am. You put on this whole masquerade to make it seem like things are going to change the philosophy was going to change only to come out and do the same thing. We can sit here, we can talk about the offensive line, we can talk about the quarterback, we can talk about the receivers at the end of the day. From a fan, it's boring football. I'm not even about to get analytical. There's another day in fan I'm bored watching the offense. I'm bored. I know it's talent. I know there's talent, but I'm bored. We heard about Michael Gilbert all spring and fall, haven't seen him. I know Ken Williams to take the top off the defense, haven't seen him. So now, was it really? Now, double R, now I'm really going down to rabbit hole. Also, we know Chris Mitchell could take the top off as he been asked to take the top off once. No, no, well, he tried to on the interception. At the wrong time. Yeah, which by the way he had his guy beat. I didn't even know who the wide receiver was on that play. I was too this tall. The rabbit hole up there, I go down the rabbit hole. Was it really Tommy Reese that didn't want to play Tobias? We kept saying let's a bias take the top off the day. I'm thinking I'm seeing the same thing here. You're starting to be very short. I'll go down the rabbit hole because I know who got the blame. I know who got the blame, but all we hear all of this height. KK, he's in the rotation. You're going to see him. Didn't we hear that? That was a lie. Michael Gilbert, we're going to see him this week. He's in the rotation with the injury to phase on. Look, double R, you hit it on the head. Yeah, now I'm aware. Yeah, now I'm critical of just about everything that's being said, like, okay. Like, are you really being upfront and totally honest? Or are you just trying to kind of keep us off the track of keeping things. Powerful, you know. I'm embarrassed. I'm sorry, man. I'm embarrassed. You shouldn't be embarrassed. You didn't do anything wrong. You're bringing the heat, Sean. You should not be embarrassed. I'm embarrassed. I feel absolutely. It is embarrassing. As a fan, I don't want to, I don't think embarrassed, upset, angry, humiliated. Yo, this is, I'm not, we can't sugarcoat this. We cannot sugarcoat this because really what we're for the first time admitting. If Trevor said there are systemic issues. Sure. Systemic issues that I don't know if any quarterback. Is going to solve or any insertion. At a certain position is going to solve. All offensively. Before we get to Trevor, let me ask you this question, Sean. Is this a one player problem. They can be solved by like benching one guy. No. Is that the problem? No. No. No. But, but if you're really a staff and you're doing your job, you do everything you can to solve the problem. Correct. Everything. There is absolutely urgency. And you do everything you can to solve the problem. Including at the top, starting at the top. Do some soul searching. And really admit to yourself, my way offensively is not working. It's not working. You can't. Trevor, you can't say that as a head coach. Before the kickoff of the game on national TV. You can't, you can't say that. You can't, once again, the awareness, what you can't say that. You just can't. I agree with you, man. I mean, for the game specifically, I'll start here. And then I'll kind of widen out the view and go bigger picture here. One thing that I didn't understand is why Notre Dame went away from tempo. Played with great tempo on the first recession. Fantastic. And I'm not talking about running no huddle and getting back up to the line and snap in the ball within 10 seconds of the ball being spotted. But great tempo. Fantastic. Use emotion. They're sending slot receivers in motion. They're moving the tight end over to, you know, set run fits. And then it stopped. Couldn't tell you why. For the life of me, I couldn't tell you why. Jeremiah, love is a dude. There, there's only so many things that he can do to, you know, pull the rabbit out of the hat. And I mean, in order for Notre Dame to score in the second half, he had to jump over another grown man while breaking a tackle in order for us. Notre Dame to score. And that is awesome to watch. And that's 100%. But from a, from an overall offensive standpoint, that's really disheartening. That you have to have somebody go Superman to score your second touchdown of the game. Right. Riley Leonard today was bad. And, and, and to provide a little bit more insight to, I also have it turned off. Satisfied people in the chat, whatever. When I mean bad, I mean things were happening that he was going through that. Most division one quarterback shouldn't be. I mean, the misses were bad. Accuracy was not good. Big picture. I think Notre Dame's offense can be wrapped up in a sum of paralysis by analysis. I think the approach that they take to the game is they are so deathly afraid of turning the ball over that they're willing to take zero risks. And in my opinion, I think one way to make it really easy for you to turn the ball over is playing way too passive. Defense starts sitting on routes. They know what to expect. We saw that today. And the second interception came by way of one of the worst post routes I've seen thrown. That was rough. Yes, agreed. That was really bad. It looked like me trying to throw to the receivers, you know, at 42. I mean, like my high school receivers, like, not guys, I got this. And I just go to like Chuck it as far as I can. It's like 10 yards short. Like that's what it looked like, you know, and then I got like a dead arm. Like it was, that was not a, that was not a high level college throw. That wasn't even a low level college throw Trevor. Like that was just not good. Continue. Sorry. I mean, interrupt. No, you're okay. It's 100% right. But to Ryan's point, it's frustrating. Everything that we, the fans, the media had all heard. It is yet to come to fruition. And now there's so many question marks surrounding. Will it ever? And it's hard for me to believe that. It's still an execution thing. Execution can always be better. 100%. It can. But it's still hard for me to believe that with all of the transfer portal additions and bringing in Mike den Brock and, and gearing up your offense to be that big play offense, it's hard for me to. Sit back and listen to. Well, they need to execute better. I just can't buy into that anymore. Can't. It's frustrating. Super frustrating. Brian. Welcome to. Whatever this is right now. My dad told me you guys were crushing it, but. I mean, yeah. Hey, welcome to it. Hey, give us your, give us your thoughts. We're talking offense. If you want to make it an offensive center, if you just want to know, I'll say it. You guys are killing it. I'm not going to come in and mess up your guys's flow. You guys are doing a great job. Some great, great answers. I even Vince, I was talking to you about like, I don't know if I should join because you guys are killing it right now, but. Trevor, I mean, if I'm reading you correctly, you're basically saying, yeah, sure, they could have executed. Well, they could have executed better, but there's a much bigger problem than just not executing well enough. Why did you bring Mike den Brock here? That was my whole point, Brian. That's a cut you off is that I said, like, you brought in all these offensive weapons. You brought in a dual third quarterback and brought in Mike den Brock and yet it feels. Okay. Handcuffed. Two responses to you, Ryan. A, it's a post game show. You don't have to apologize for cutting people off. B, I am the cutter offer of cutter offers. You definitely don't have to apologize to me for cutting people off, but you're absolutely right. Right. Like, look, here's thing. Tommy Reece sucks and Drew Pine sucks and Tyler Buckner sucks and. Jared Parker sucks and Sam Hartman forgot how to throw the football at Notre Dame and. And, you know, now it's Mike den Brock's not that good and Riley Leonard sucks. Ryan, you and I watched a more Riley Leonard film than anyone on the planet outside of maybe Duke coaches or people to play for Riley Leonard. I never saw Riley Leonard lose to a team like Northern Illinois when he was a Duke. I never saw Riley Leonard play like this. And you saw was in, look, there's a, there's a, in Vince, I know you talked about this in the beginning part. There, there's been one constant the last three years while we said Tommy resecked when we said Drew Buck, Drew Pine sucked when we said Tyler Buckner sucked when we said Sam Hartman sucked when we say, oh, it's the stop going to the portal. Guys, you really think that this is going to change if they put in one of their own recruited quarterbacks into the game. Because the problem isn't that Riley Leonard sucks. Riley Leonard played terrible today. Terrible. This isn't a Riley Leonard defense session. Correct. So this is a. How did Sam Hartman stop. I mean, because here's the thing. We saw Sam Hartman play way better at wake against the same teams. We saw him struggle against last year. We're seeing Riley Leonard play terrible against the team that he shredded as a true sophomore at Duke. And I'm supposed to sit there and say, well, it's, it's, it's a, you know, it's a Riley Leonard problem. Okay, Ben Riley Leonard, guys, it doesn't fix anything. It puts a bullet. It puts a band out on a bullet when there's something bigger here and look, I love Marcus Freeman as a person. I do. And we all want him to be successful. But the end of the day, Vince, as you said in the beginning section, there's been one constant through all these. And you just lost a Northern Illinois by the same score you lost to Stanford in your first year. You've lost four games at home now in three years and then you didn't get to 20 points in any of them. You've scored more points on the road in your losses than you have in your home losses. Think about that, guys, except with the exception of Ohio State two years ago. Scored 20 against Louisville last year, 23 against Clemson, 27 against USC two years ago. In two years, Marcus Freeman is now lost to Stanford, who is three and nine. Marshall was a good football team in North. Look, here's what frustrates me, guys. We said all week. This is going to be a very well coached football team. They're not going to be afraid of Notre Dame. How many Ryan, you and I talked about this on Thursday. We talked about all the things that we're going to do offensively, what they're going to do defensively. They're going to keep everything in front of you. And did you guys at all get the impression that Notre Dame knew that? Right. Well, they were, they were right. So I was getting vibes post game listening to them talk about the stretch plays like we weren't prepared for the beer. You know, I was getting those same kind of vibes. Like, how were you not prepared for? How were you not prepared for all the motions and shifts that we saw them do for an entire game against Western Illinois that Ryan and I talked about. If Trevor wasn't dealing with the whole, oh, I got married thing. Oh, you know, we would have talked about it. It's a, it's a, it's not even disappointing. It's not even embarrassing. It makes you angry to become like me. Like that, that's my thing is I'm not even disappointed at this point. I went straight past like whatever stages there are of football grief. I went past all of them and I'm right to, I'm right to anger. Because there's, there's too many people taking the easy routes. Oh, just bench Riley Leonard. That fixes it. That fixes everything. That fixes the fact that your defense couldn't make stops. How many times Vince? I know you pointed that out. That, that, that fixes the fact that after Jeremiah love hurdles a dude and scores a touchdown. Middle of the early third quarter, middle of the third quarter, he touches them all one time after that. That, that fixes that. That fix, I can't even understand what Riley was thinking on that, that second intercept. Like I literally can't even say, well, here's what I think he saw. I've, I got nothing. I got, I've been in college football for over 20 years. I've been in college football since Ryan was in middle school. And, and I feel like I've been able to explain a lot of things. Why I'm not saying he's right, but this, I, I don't even know what he was thinking. Like, I, I can't, I mean, first of all, he missed two open guys. Like I, you know, but. But he also hit, he also hit an open great house and dropped it. I mean, I get that. That was one ball. Right. I get that. Right. So I'm saying, like, this isn't my point. Vince is like these, right? Right. Sam Hartman came to Notre Dame and did things he didn't do in three years. I wake forest and people wanted to, and people wanted to look at Hartman and say, oh, Hartman wasn't what we thought. He sucks. And I'm looking at it and saying, but why is he playing a different style of football than he did before? You completely. He got afraid to make mistakes, Ryan. He was afraid to throw the ball down the field. You know, like, and, and you're watching Riley Leonard and I'm sitting there saying like, this isn't the kid that I said. You guys sold us a bill of goods. Well, yeah, we did sell you bill of goods because we thought. Crazily that you'd bring in a guy like Sam Hartman, who's one of the 20th smoked prolific pastors in all of cod football history. You'd bring in a guy like Riley Leonard, who NFL scouts love other Ohio State trying to get him. Auburn try me. And we thought crazily that you'd actually use his unique skills to go be successful. And they didn't. They didn't. So it's like, it's like, okay, Riley played bad, right? Vince, this is even some high school level, middle school, pop, Warner level. When your quarterback is struggling, you do things to try to get him into a rhythm. What did they do in this game to try to adjust to get Riley into a lender? Leonard into any kind of rhythm. And how do you get Riley Leonard into a rhythm? You run his butt. Like they, after the first quarter, they did, they completely abandoned. That's like running the ball. That's kind of like a, I mean, at some point in time, you're going to have to be able to throw to football with Riley Leonard. I completely agree. And what are your answers? Let's throw a tunnel screen. That's the only answer you got to get a completion in the past game right now is to throw a tunnel screen. Totally get it. You know, everything is horizontal stretch right now. There's like, what do they, like, Vince, you and I were talking during the game. They run a, it's like third and nine. And they run all verts. And I'm like, guys, you know, they're going to bring pressure here. That's the point I made to you, Vince. They were in two-down territory. How do you not have something built in, you know, run Vert's play side and bring me some kind of high-low backside where if they bring a pressure, I can replace it. That's exactly what Northern Illinois did to Notre Dame. You know, Notre Dame stopped some of them. They made plays on others. You know, and you're running all verts and, and slow developing verts. It's like, guys, you, you, I sold a bill of goods. Guys, I watched Chris Mitchell play a lot of football. I watched Chris Mitchell go on the road. And, and tear up an SEC school. And I, you can't, he, he brought him here to run hitches and outs. That's what you brought Chris Mitchell to do here. I mean, the throw that on the pick was the last, the first time I've seen him all, you know, all season, run a vertical route. All season. And like, what, what did you bring them here for? Because like, if, and here's the deal, guys, let's, let's be real about something. We've always told you guys, whether we like a coach or don't like a coach, we're always going to, we're always going to be honest with you guys. And I don't like Brian Kelly. And I like Marcus Freeman. But if this kind of game happened under Brian Kelly, we would be losing our absolute minds. And so, you know, we're saying like still are, it's, no, that's what I'm saying, like we are, but there's no excuses here. There's no spinning this. No, guys, like look, bad teams, good teams come out early in games and play poorly when it's a bad team. I watched South Carolina jump up ahead of Georgia last year, 14, 3. I watched Bowling Green jump ahead of Penn State today, 17 to 3. You know what the difference is? Those coaching staffs made adjustments. Those players stepped up and made plays and those teams came back and won those games. So there were no answers today. No answers today. How does that keep happening? It's the same thing that we saw last year against Clemson. Clemson jumps ahead. Notre Dame can't find. There's no, you keep running the same stuff, hoping that you're eventually going to get a different result. And it's, and they say, well, Mike Dembrok wasn't here last year. Yeah, I know. I was watching Mike Dembrok lead the nation's number one scoring offense. Well, he doesn't have Jayden Daniels. Not having Jayden Daniels done mean should be all the way down to 14 points against Northern freaking Illinois. Right? That's a Mike Dembrok. I watched Mike Dembrok run offenses at Notre Dame. Never saw this crap. Never saw this. There's one constant. And we say it all the time, guys. And Trevor, you nailed it as I jumped in. When you beat into people's heads so much, don't mess up. Don't mess up. Don't mess up. Don't mess up. This is what you're going to get. You can blame Riley Leonard all you want. But if they put Steve Angeli in there, he's going to throw a million checkdowns. And it's going to be the same thing. If you put CJ Carr in there and you don't change that, it's going to be the same thing. It's going to be conservative play not to lose football. And that's not Mike Dembrok's philosophy. That wasn't Jared Parker's philosophy. That wasn't Tommy Reese's philosophy. That's Marcus Freeman's philosophy. And he said it. He said it. I'm not. He has said that. He said it today, Brian. Trevor, go ahead and tell him how this went. Before the game, this is when I knew it was going to be somewhat of an uphill battle. But he was running out onto the field. And the sideline reporter pulled him aside and said, Hey, Riley Leonard said he didn't have the game that he wanted to against Texas A&M. He's looking for today to really open up the offense and showcase why, you know, there's all this hype surrounding whatever. To which Marcus Freeman's answer was, we don't need Riley Leonard to do any heroics. We need him to live within the offense. Execute. He said, quote, we don't need him throwing the ball down the field. Quote, you can go back and watch the live broadcast. Trevor, that's it. I mean, that so that's what we got. Yeah, that's exactly what we got. I mean, and it's like, why do you practice that stuff? Vince, we go to practice. We see them doing throwing the ball down the field. We see them taking shots and then we get to games and then you don't do that. I mean, again, we can take the easy thing of bench Riley Leonard and I'm not even, I'm not even here to defend Riley Leonard like you can't play that poorly. Nobody plays that poorly and just automatically try them out there the next week. I don't care who you are. But if you think it's simple as just, you know, like, Oh, it's just because they know Leonard can't throw that that's lazy because again, did they, did we know the Sam Hartman couldn't throw? He accidentally threw forward 13,000 yards is first several. How many years of console. Really? Really? Like it's lazy. Yes. He struggled to throw the ball today. I'm not. This isn't a defensive Riley's play. The point is there's a much deeper problem here. That was true when they had Tyler Buckner quarterback. It was true when they had Jack, I mean, Drew Pine a quarterback. It was true when they had Sam Hartman a quarterback. It was true. They have Riley Leonard quarterback. It'll be true when they put Steve Angeli in a quarterback. It'll be true when they put if you don't change that philosophy of because you can't. And here's the other thing too. What did we say before the season guys and it's true on offense. We said, right? Marcus Freeman's highs are super high. We saw it last week. How? But his, but he's got to avoid this. How many times we say that in the pre got to avoid this. This is exactly what we're talking about. This isn't even about the game plan. This isn't about Riley Leonard. This is about my wife text me. I'll read you what my wife texted me. This is what my wife is. This is a coach's wife. She said, she said, I could have called this outcome when I was watching them in warmups. They weren't locked in. They seem like they weren't focused on like they believed that this would be a walk in a park. And she was just talking about they were just going through the motions sound familiar. Is that Riley Leonard's fault? Was the same Hartman's fault last year when they did it against Louisville or Duke or Clemson, right? Or against Stanford and 22 because we've now had three different coordinators on offense. We've seen three different quarterbacks in these situations and nothing looks different. Yeah. So either these guys are able to, for multiple years, like fool us into thinking they can play football and then they come here and all of a sudden we realize, oh, they really couldn't play football, even though they were doing it. You know, so we're supposed to believe that Kevin Johns was such an offensive wizard that he was able to get all this out of Riley Leonard when in reality, Riley didn't have talent. And then he comes and plays another name and we go, wow, he never was that good anyway. You know, like, look, we're missing the big picture here and that is this guys. You did not bring Mike Denmark in to do this. No, you're averaging 18 and a half points a game through your first two games of the season. Mike Denmark, Mike Denmark scored more points on this against Georgia in the peach bowl. Like, a lot more. A lot more. We watched Mike Denmark come into Notre Dame Stadium, Ryan, you were there, you were at that game and aggressively throw the ball down the field with Desmond Ritter. Yeah, and Leonard Taylor who's not even in the NFL. Yeah, and Josh Weiss at tight end. So he comes here and all of a sudden Mike Denmark at 59 years old, forgot how to coach offensive football. Riley Leonard forgot how to throw or maybe there's something mindset wise that is being instilled at the top. That is why we see these same things game year after year. We see the ups and we see the downs. We see the teams look great in certain instances and then just come out like they don't even want to be there in others. And you know what? I'll say this, this is a Marcus Freeman problem, but this is also a player problem. Because in Brian Kelly's tenure, there were mistakes. Brian Kelly did back then too to not get a team up, but you know what those players did? They said, hey, screw that. We're going to go out here and we're going to do what we got to do because we know we can go beat people. And they did. You know, this is exactly how the Toledo game went a couple years ago. You know what the difference was? Jack Cohen said, nope, not today, fellas. Not today. I got this. I mean, you're not wrong. It just comes down so we can pick apart the game plan and the game plan was super conservative. Yes. You know, like you came out trying to, I mean, they did. And here's the thing, Vince, to your point, they did run Riley Leonard early. Didn't matter. Still couldn't yet. Still, you know, like he's, he's, there's a severe lack of comfort going through his progressions. You're like, they weren't getting great separation today, but there were plenty of guys open. And at times for to complete balls, but there was so much. There was way too much static route running on third down, way too much static route running. And there was way too much just Riley going from one read to the other way too fast, way too fast. And, you know, it's like they were daring Notre Dame to throw a goal ball on the outside and Notre Dame was like, we will not. You know what I mean? Like, one of the plays early, Chris Mitchell ran a go ball and Riley scrambled it. I'm like, if he just throws that go ball, it's either caught for a big gain or it goes out of his fourth quarter and just he won't, he won't pull the trigger. And then he throws, then he finally does. And you're just like, what the heck was that? There's just, there's no confidence with Riley right now in, in what he's seeing. You guys, I mean, am I, am I, do you guys see something different? No, no ability to process Ryan right now, none. Yeah, well, I think part of it too. And, and again, like people are going to say, oh, you're defending Riley Lender, whatever, like, again, starting the conversation, Riley Lender was bad today. I said it nine times on this podcast. And I hope that we can kind of move past that for a second and also admit to ourselves that you said one thing that is 100% correct. A lot of just static, just super boring bunch of hitches across like just no separation stuff. It was awful. I mean, there was some tight window throws that he was trying to make where it's just like, I don't know if anybody's really open on this play, but I'm going to try to force it in there. Like, that was the interception to me. I mean, it looked like it was sticks all across the formation to me. I mean, I didn't see anything that was relatively inviting as a quarterback. So I think that it was a little bit of that. And then, man, I just, there were a few plays and we can talk about the Jamie Greathouse drop, which was easily Riley Lender's best throw of the day by a landslide. Yeah, but there was a who somebody else. I think Chris Mitchell had a drop in this game. Somebody else had a drop. So, like, there were a couple opportunities for why receivers that also did not capitalize and then not play a good football game either. So, yes, Riley Leonard deserves a lot of the blame. He did not play a good game, but the wide receivers didn't play a good game either in the play calling left more than a lot to be desired. It was terrible today. Yeah, plenty of blame to go around is the point that you're making and you're not wrong. Right. And nobody. You know, the entire time we were talking about defense, Brian, I all anybody could talk about was this is Riley Leonard's fault. Riley Leonard's fault. The whole thing, right? We are not defending the play of Riley Leonard. That is not what is taking place here. What we're doing is saying don't be lazy. And we're also having an organized discussion about Riley Leonard. Yeah, it's an organized discussion about the entire game. Right. And we were talking defense at that moment. Now we are talking off. It's Riley Leonard's fault that they had a 98 yard touchdown drive after you went up seven nothing and pin him at the two yard line. That's Riley Leonard's fault. Riley Leonard's fault that they allowed them to convert how many third downs on that final drive to run the clock down. Right. Like this team was not ready to play today. Brian, that final drive was 11 plays and only 31 yards and they took five and a half minutes off the clock. Okay. Like, that's unacceptable. Like, yeah, and the defense only gave up 16 points got it. Got it. But they can't give up all of they can't give up all those first downs. They can't allow them to bleed the clock like that. They've got to get off the field in that moment. And Trevor and I were talking about the fact that, and I'm sure you agree with this, the worst down for the defense today was second down. They were pretty darn good on first down. They were in second and long so many times, and then would pick up six, seven, eight yards and be in a third and short situation. Like, constantly over and over and over again. And at the end of the day, the defense could not stop them on third and short or fourth and short for that matter. It's bad. It's bad. But again, at the end of the day, of course, the offense needs to score more than 14 points. No, exactly. Exactly. But you're playing Northern Illinois. You make one third or fourth down stop on the final drive in it. Like, no, they should have been put in that situation. But they were. But that's what I'm going to make sense to step up. Like, you know, like, you've got like, yeah, okay, the receivers aren't, but when you get the ball thrown to you got to make the catch. How does this team still not know how to get a five man fire? They still don't know how to stop a five man fire pressure. Like, that's it. Right. Right. You know, just. Yeah. So, I mean, again, we could sit here and just tell you, oh, it's all right. The numbers fall. And if you've been trialing under everything's fixed. That's lazy. Correct. You guys just want us to say silly things that have no value or do you guys want us to tell you the truth? And it's actually worse. And I wish it was just Riley Leonard. I'd feel way better if a, hey, you've been trialing Leonard and you're good to go. It's the same thing that I was debating with people at Florida State Ryan. Is DJ Uyungalay playing well for floor state? No. Is he the reason they're owing to? No. He's not the reason their defense is soft. He's not the reason their offensive line is regressed. Right. Like, yes, Riley Leonard's playing poorly. He's not the reason that you're seeing the things we're seeing. Marcus Freeman has got to look in the mirror and say, what am I doing to cause this? Because you can blame Riley Leonard, just like you blame Sam Hartman, just like you blamed Tyler Buckner, just like you blamed Drew Pine. You can blame Mike Denbrock for calling a bad game. You can blame Jared Parker for calling bad games in big moments. You can blame Tommy Reese. So either A, he's horrible at identifying and hiring offensive coordinators and quarterbacks, which is a problem. Or B, maybe there's something within his philosophy that is putting handcuffs on his football team. Maybe there's something that he's doing and how he goes about practice the week after a big game or going into a game. Or going into a game like this, where he's not getting this team ready. Lou Holtz was supposed to say, look, we hated getting ready for teams like that. We hated playing Navy, not because of the option. Because Lou and his staff are going to be miserable during the week. Like, you know, I can imagine Lou Holtz letting his football team go out to Friday before the home opener at Dick's Sporting Goods and let them sign autographs. Look, I get we live in an NIL era, but Friday night before a game, there should be nothing else going on but getting ready for that football game. Who's fault is that? Who's responsible for that? So we can sit here and blame Riley Leonard all we want. Okay, bench Riley Leonard. Okay, we'll give you guys what you want, bench Riley Leonard. Guess what? Nothing changes. Because the problem is that Riley Leonard, just like it wasn't Sam Hartman, just like it wasn't Tommy Reese, just like it wasn't Jared Parker, just like it's not Mike Denmark. I can't believe he said that before the game. That's even worse. Because it's not just coach speak when you then go see them. Do that. Exactly. 100%. You know the positive here though, the one positive that we can all take from this big positive during my time at lockdown was that I was blamed that I was the jinx because I was at the Marshall game and I was at the Cincinnati game and everyone said, Oh, it's because Ryan goes to the games. Well, wasn't there tonight, folks. So can't blame me on this one. I mean, all those games. I'll just stay home. I just, I mean, I mean, Ryan like, it's frustrating because there are so many things that Marcus Freeman does right. But the end of the day, being a great guy, being a good recruiter. You know, being personable. All those things. Jerry Faust was a great guy that love Notre Dame. Ty Willingham was a respect very well respected human being whose players want the class and did things the right way love. I don't love Notre Dame, but I don't think he disliked Notre Dame Charlie. Why he did things the right way off the road. Right. But but but at the end of the day, what are you judged on your judged on winning and losing and you can't be sitting here near three dropping a game to Northern Illinois. There's just no excuse for it. There's no excuse for it. Look, what do we, Ryan, what do we always say about coaches, right? Your job is to build around the players that you have. Yeah, there's nothing that they're doing right now that tells me they're building around the players they have. Where's Jeremiah love in the past or or if they do think they're doing that, that means that they're evaluating very poorly. Which is also a major issue, like a major major. If they have looked at Chris Mitchell brought him in and they watched him and they said, he's a stick comeback route runner. That's what he is. That's an issue in amongst itself. Like even based on on misuse. Also, like both Collins has played pretty well. He's been the outlier at why receiver so far. He's probably made the most progress over the last two days. Why am I throwing screens to him though like I'll do respect like why is he the screen guy in this offense like I just I don't know man there's a lot of stuff that's just like I don't I don't understand. I really don't understand. It was the same thing last year though. We're like, why is Rico Flores and Jaden Greathouse getting jetsweeps right we're just like, and everybody wants to one of the blame Jared Parker well we're still seeing like these roles that don't really make sense for skill set stuff after Jared Parker left after Tommy Reese left so there's something else there if we want to be honest with ourselves. And Ryan that's at the heart of it though right like we could sit here and take the easy route. Oh, Briley Leonard didn't play well. Okay. Okay. Yeah, he didn't who on the planet saying he did. But this isn't a one off. This isn't a one off. You know, like I just coaches job is to is to put his positions in his players in position to be successful. And the reality is is they're just not doing enough of that. I mean, as good as last week was you literally just pissed all that right down the toilet. All the momentum you got last week, you know, finishing the game well. Doesn't matter. Okay. But here's the thing. So did did all of a sudden the players that did that last week show no heart or maybe. Maybe your preparation was such that you didn't as a coaching staff take this opponent seriously. You know, I mean, like, we're not talking about the defense right now. I'm just still disgusted by the fact that it's not the defense's fault. It's not. It's not Riley Leonard's fault that they lined up in wildcat and said we're coming at you and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. Oh, well, Brian, I wasn't I wasn't allowed to talk about the defense. We were talking about the defense because according to the chat, the defense actually played well. No, they didn't. That was it. They lined up in wildcat and said we're running right out on your throat. There's nothing you can do about it. Another name said you're right. Exactly. I wasn't allowed to talk about that though because Riley. Right. Right. Right. They only gave up 16 points. At the end of the day, they only gave up 16. That's, I mean, yeah. Okay, fine. They didn't make the stops when they needed to make stops. It's the same thing. Like, like, look, you guys need to be able to walk. We all need to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. We need to be able to say Riley Leonard played terrible today. Terrible. And still say, but this wasn't a Riley Leonard problem only. We're not saying it's not a Riley Leonard problem. We're saying to say it's just Riley Leonard is lazy. Super lazy. Riley Leonard didn't give up a 98 yard tuck. Riley Leonard leaves a team on like 11 12 yard touchdown drive and start the game. You pin him at the two yard line and you give up a 98 yard touchdown drive on a blown cupboard. That's Riley Leonard's fault. Yeah, he throws a stupid, stupid terrible pick. They still had to go 30, 40 yards before they were in scoring range. Who did that? Who gave up those third and fourth down plays. Right. Like, this was a team loss. And at the end of the day, the guy on top of this team continues to show the same things in these moments where it's one week. You do a phenomenal job of getting your team ready to play and pumped up before the, you know, going on. And that was all awesome. I don't, it doesn't take anything away from last week. But you're the one that then did whatever it is you guys did to have the preparation be the way that it was this week. Who's on it? Did Riley Leonard go in there and say, Hey, we're not going to be locked in this week coach just give you heads up on that one. No, because we've seen this before when Riley Leonard was still wearing a Duke uniform. We saw the same stuff. Hey, maybe Tommy Reese wasn't as bad of a coach as we thought he was. You know, maybe Sam Hartman wasn't as bad of a quarterback as we thought he was. Right. Maybe Riley Leonard didn't forget how to play football when he came to Notre Dame. Right. Like you got to let you got to turn your players loose because that's a mentality. That's a mentality. It's a mentality of. You've, I mean, who you are is who you are. And the problem that this football team has guys and Ryan, I'm going to kick this to you because I know you got to run because I want to get your last thoughts on this. The issue that I have is you, I say this all the time, Ryan, you've heard me say it many times. You can't turn the switch on and off. Because then your players may not know how to do that. You've got to be, if anything, you've got to be here and then turn it up to here, but you can never be down here. And that's the reason this team just sometimes doesn't show up. You know, like, like, we say this all time. Hey, you can be young. You can be, you know, play poorly. There's a whole lot of things you can do as a football player, but what you should never do and what's never excusable is to not play hard. Is to not be locked in. At the end of the day, that's on the players, but at the same time, why does this keep happening? Different players every year, different players. But the same thing happens. Is that a Notre Dame problem? Or is that a person in charge of Notre Dame problem? We blamed Brian Kelly for it when it happened to his football teams. All right. Now we're going to say it's, but it's not Marcus's fault. Now it's Riley Leonard's fault. Now even it was Sam Hartman's fault. It was Drew Pine's fault and Tyler Buckner's fault, not Marcus Freeman's. Light it. Hey, Irish breakdown listeners. It's Urban Meyer. This fall, the game changes. Join me. 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I'm frustrated because we always talk about process driven. We always talk about the standard, right, the standard, and the standard that I have seen that is in some of the biggest games, which is so funny that we are here now. In some of the biggest games, this Notre Dame team looks just right like pumped up, ready to go. And then in other games, it's like, we're not there. Why are we not there? Well, there's something different that happened this week and pregame that was different than what we saw on text saying. You led a team, Northern Illinois, come into your house and punch you in the mouth and punk you, they punk you in your and your home stadium, which is just like, is there no pride anymore. That used to be a prideful thing to represent your community and and and represent your house and nobody comes into your house and punch you right like that used to be a thing when I was in high school anyway. Wasn't that a thing for the team that puts the logo on their uniforms wasn't that, wasn't that an underarmored thing. Right. Yeah, we must protect this house. That's it. Yeah, that's commercials, man. I thought that that was the standard that we were building here and honestly, I didn't think it was going to be a problem this week, because last week, Sean, I think you mentioned it. Caitlin Snead in his availability was like, Oh, it means a lot to us talking about this game, right. So I'm like, Oh, this team might be locked in man, they might be locked in, they might not be taking it for granted. And they did. For whatever reason, they weren't prepared. And I'll put it like this and I agree and we have agreed and me and Sean had a nice back and forth to start this show. This is a bigger issue than just a one player, one coach, whatever there is an issue up top and we need to continue to talk about that or else we're not being honest with ourselves. Okay, there is an issue. But at the heart of this conversation, the heart of this conversation is that the you allowed the process to get away from you this week. You did not take this team seriously. You told me that you took film study and preparation is as diligently as you took it last week, because I saw the players that we talked about that you can't let hurt you this week, hurt you in multiple ways. We saw formations hurt you that we talked about and said, you can't let that hurt you. That is the play. I'm watching lack of focus. I'm watching lack of physicality. I'm watching lack of focus. Rightly met Leonard missed a lot of throws. The inaccuracy was bad that pursuit angles on defense were bad at times. I still don't know what Jalen Steve was doing when he was slow playing Ontario Brown to get to the corner. I still don't know what he was doing. But ultimately, that is a reflection of your head coach and your preparation. Something was wrong. Something was wrong. They were not prepared. They did not have the energy. They had to reduce Northern Illinois came in to South Bend, a place that should be a daunting environment for an away team, and they wanted it more than you did. They were the hungrier team. They had the more energy. It was their house tonight. And at the end of the day, Coach Freeman, everybody else involved needs to take a step back and be like, damn, dude, we just let that happen to us in our home stadium. We always talk about fans support at Notre Dame, right? Fans selling their tickets. Why the hell do you want to go to a Notre Dame game right now? After what you just saw today at this field, man. Put a good product on the field. That wasn't a good product. It was disheartening. It was frustrating. It was terrible, terrible. I think this is a great transition, because I said we were going to talk about this before, and you guys were, you guys are right there. So I want to transition to, you know, normally we talk offense and we talk defense. I want to talk coaching. Okay, just coaching in this game. And if you want to, if you want to expand big picture, then you are more than welcome to do so. But I do want to touch on just coaching in this game. In this season, in this tenure, whatever direction you want to go, I do want to have a coaching conversation because I think it is absolutely necessary based on what we have seen in the last, you know, three years. And what we saw today, and what we have seen this season so far so Trevor, I'm going to kick this to you first. Coaching, whatever direction you want to go, my friend. The buck stops at the head coach, past two, and that's what you have to look at. And this even goes beyond football. If you own a company and something's happening and going on with the people at lower levels in your company. It's not the HR manager's fault. It's the owner's fault. That works. Correct. If I were a betting man, and if I started going out and tweeting a bunch of crazy stuff and you know what not yeah sure stuff would come back to me, but then I know it would also be like, yo, what were the Irish breakdown people thinking about this Trev guy. That's just how it works with the Riley Leonard stuff. I was told when I was a player, and I think it still holds true to this day. When you're a quarterback you get way too much of the credit when you win and way too much of the blame when you lose to Brian's point it's lazy. It is extremely lazy. Irish breakdown I'm sure most of the people in the chat are not new to what we all do here. And it's to find and seek and understand the reason as to why those things happen. Right. Let's all agree Leonard played poorly. But we seek to understand why to your point about Sam Hartman come to South Bend and forget how to throw a football for Rita defense. Exactly. And that's where coaching comes into play. It is impossible to ask your players to go play to the highest level of their ability when you continue to suppress their ability. Can't do it. There's a reason why out of all of the mishaps that have happened with Notre Dame's offense over the last couple years, one thing has been consistent and it's been the running backs. And it's impossible to suppress their talent when they have the ball in their hands short of telling them to slide after they get a first down. We saw today with Jeremiah Love. We saw it last year, all season with Audrey, but it starts with coaching. You can't continue to limit your players with these abilities unless you're going to try to convince me that Chris Mitchell got off the plane to South Bend and is no longer fast. Right. And Riley Leonard got off the plane to South Bend and just completely forgot how to throw a football. I don't buy it. And I'm not here to tell you that I believe that Riley Leonard is a finished product and is ready to go pick apart. You know, Texas is Alabama's Georgia insert whatever teams here defense I'm not here to tell you that. But what I'm here to tell you is there's an issue bigger than everything else and it starts with the head coach. It's inconsistent looking big picture. You can't come and rise to the occasion for big games when it's convenient for you. It can't be when college game days there. And it can't be when it's a night game. And it can't be when it's a ranked opponent because unfortunately, and we got to see it this week when Notre Dame beat Texas A&M like we predicted in the post game show. It's when all the excuses started pouring in about, you know, well, Texas A&M was never that good anyways and even though we understand how good of a win that was. But there is no spinning losing to Northern Illinois at home, regardless of how good they played. I said it earlier in the show, they played their hearts out and they were fantastic. Your Notre Dame, if Northern Illinois plays fantastic based on the coaches that they brought in and the talent that they brought in, you still win that game. And it starts with Marcus Freeman, in my opinion. And you can't continue to just hang your hat on. Well, we just have to execute better. I agree, but the issues go farther than just executing better and not turning the football over. You need to trust in your coordinators that you brought specifically your offensive coordinators. And Marcus Freeman needs to do a better job of trusting that they will put Riley Leonard and Jeremiah Love and Jadarion Price and insert whatever great skilled position player that we have here. Trust that they will go make the plays that you need them to to win the game. Instead of playing this, well, I want to make sure that nothing bad happens and we don't turn the ball over because when you do that, when you play scared, you can't play free and that's when all the mistakes come in and that is exactly what we saw today. And it starts up top. Sean, you're up to bat, brother. Question everything except for my offensive philosophy. That's amazing. It's cool to question everything. That's your mantra question. We question everything except when it comes to my offensive philosophy. Yes. Yes. That's that's pretty much what it's been put on front street right now. Like you, you allow what you will question everything about everything else. It's set for how you feel football games need to be one offense. We can sit here and talk like Ryan said, I said we're putting the same information in the same file. Same information in the same file when talking about the offense and the systemic issues. Yeah, I think it all goes in there, but it all flows from the same source. And it is what it is. Like I said, I'm not absorbing anybody, nobody, nobody's getting off the hook. I'm not, I'm not letting anybody off the hook. No one is getting off the hook after this. No, nobody. Nobody. Include Riley Leonard. You're not getting off the hook, buddy. No. Can I just nominate one person off? Can we just nominate Jeremy? To be off the hook. Heck yeah. Heck yeah. One after that touchdown Trevor, did you say he had one carry or been. One carry. I should have touched now. One touch. Yeah, that's real smart. Real smart. Yeah, you get into their territory with five minutes left, ready to salt the game away and. Yeah, that's that's when you go over the top. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm just, I'm not comfortable right now. I'm not man. I'm not third year head coach. Timeouts to be figured out. This offensive system should be figured out. Clock management, not having to turn around and ask, is this the right time to call it. No. All of those things should have been learned by now. So that's, that's a problem. That's a problem. I feel worse. I said this last year at and during the Ohio State post game. Those players don't deserve this, man. Those kids don't deserve this. These offensive players don't deserve that. I don't deserve that. Those kids that transferred here. Oh, this has been playing his butt off. Playing his tail off I'm interested in seeing Brian's breakdown. Cause I'm sure he's open more. Playing his tail off. Chris Mitchell was open missed a couple of times. Dude. Oh, yes. Jane Greyhouse dropped the perfect ball. Perfect ball. If you talk about a total team collapse. It was on full display. For everyone to watch on national TV today. Or display. This is not a game where you say, Oh, man, this person. Oh, man, this unit. It is indicative of the status of this program. Right now. And it's time to face it and say it is what it is. Will they dig out of the hole? We'll see. We'll see. But it's at the point at the Bryant. I'm very interested in how you think I said, yo, this could become very. Similar to. 2016. It would come very similar. To where we started looking forward to the youngsters playing. That will eventually become a really good team. Two years. Like when Julian Love and those guys start taking the field late in that season or the middle of that season and it led to 2018. Like, if certain things don't change. This, this can go left real fast against a soft schedule. That's the crazy thing about it. Things that go left really fast against what was perceived as a soft schedule. That is where things sit. And I'm praying and hoping like everybody else that things can get turned around. Brian. To begin. The issue with Marcus Freeman is, is not. Cause I got, I'm throwing, I'm going at everybody right now. The, the up and down nature with which Mark Notre Dame plays goes beyond just a conservative offense. Like if they, if the only issue today was a conservative offense, we are complaining about Notre Dame only beating up Northern Illinois by 10. That's the beef. Right. If the only issue today was that Riley Leonard couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. We'd be talking about Notre Dame winning this game 14 to 13. Or 17 to 13, something like that. If that was the only issue. The issue is much deeper folks. Say, well, you know, how does Marcus Freeman do this offensively? Is he just telling the only, no, it's, it's a mindset. I keep, I've been telling y'all this for a long time. Being good at something is a mindset. It's who you are all the time. You can't say, let's open it up one week against this team who has a terrible defense. And then when you're playing somebody good, you then say, okay, let's, let's, let's, let's pull the rain. You can't win that. It goes beyond just play calling. It's the mindset. It's why your football team just doesn't show up sometimes. And it's why your football team found no answers today. It's how it's why you couldn't find answers against Stanford. It's why you couldn't find answers against Clemson in Louisville. And the only reason you beat Duke last year is because your dudes were just way better than their dudes. And guys like Audrey and Mitch 11 took those games over in the end of the, at the end of the game. And Sam Hartman went out and made a brilliant play. Today you didn't, you didn't have that. You didn't have that. And it was across the board. What are you doing in your preparation for every game that is causing your team to be an emotion, not a, not a discipline roller coaster. Or an execution roller coaster. Or, or passing offense in emotional roller coaster. Where you are up for one game and the next week you don't even want to be there. Cause I'll have Notre Dame Stadium. Notre Dame's problem today was not the fans. They were freaking loud. I always been, you know, I spend the first several, usually the first quarter outside. They were super loud before the game and loud during that first whole drive. Loud and they pinned them inside the two. They got a little quiet when they gave up an 83 yard touchdown pass. Understandably. Yeah, fair. This wasn't a home, your Alabama had no home field advantage when Mike Schulen, Mike the boys were their head coach or Nick Saban's first year. They lost it home to Louis and Monroe, but eventually they became pretty hard to beat it home. Why? Because Alabama, for whatever you feel about them, kind of was like this all the time and it was always high. But that team always found ways to win. And this team doesn't. But it's not as simple as just this is all on Freeman. You're the offensive coordinator, even within whatever restrictions you might have been given for preparation wise. It's your job to find answers to get your quarterback into a rhythm. It's your job to say we got to get out of this game. Number four is cooking in the second half. Right? Him and 24 are ballers. Use them both. But I'm both on the field. Get out of this game with a win. Figure out ways. You've got to know how to get your quarterback into a rhythm. Defensively. How are you? We told y'all all week this team's going to motion. They're going to shift. They're going to run trick plays. They're going to post episodes. I saw it. How did they not see it? How are they not prepared for it? That's not Marcus Freeman's fault. From the standpoint of he's directly responsible for it. That's on Al Golden and his coaching staff. Guys, they were doing things we saw last week. We talked about they're going to do things with their motions and shifts to get you out leverage and Notre Dame had no answers. No answers the entire game. Yeah. And it's not like, well, they ran a stretch play. If a stretch play is what you were so unprepared for and couldn't adjust to, you got a much bigger problem than your quarterback can't complete a pass. I wouldn't even take that excuse from a high school defensive coordinator to be perfectly honest with you. It's the we weren't prepared for the veer. Why not? The triple option team, seriously, they, I mean, they were just lining up and this is the thing I'm talking about. Like when they needed a yard, they couldn't always get a yard. When they needed a completion, they couldn't get a completion. When they needed a stop, they couldn't decide when Northern Illinois needed a stop. I actually still don't understand why they threw on a couple of sports and shorts. Yeah. I'm lined up in a wildcat and said, you haven't stopped this for less than two yards. All game. Yeah. Seriously. Notre Dame caught some breaks in this game. There's a couple of times where they had a guy in the flats on defense, go back and watch the game. They had a kid on the flats and the quarterback just missed him. If he doesn't miss him, there's nobody outside to defend that kid. Nobody. Nobody. And if it's not for a couple of plays from like Josh Burnham and Buba Carr and Xavier Watts, this game could have been a lot worse. Northern Illinois coach circles around Notre Dame today. Are there some major problems for Marcus Freeman from a, why is it your team getting prepared? And why aren't you doing absolutely? But Notre Dame on offense and defense today got guts, you know, it's, you're sitting there and, and, and this is just, this is what I'm talking about, the mindset. It's the whole, and we talked about this last week, the whole having your running back, go down thing. No, no, no, why would you even sit there and, and you've got, you're, you're getting close to field goal range and you're, and you're not playing for the situation. You got five seconds left in a six to two yard field goal. You literally have a better chance in that situation, either thrown a Hail Mary or try to get something quick to get you another five or six yards and get out. And here's a thought. Maybe if you don't have to blow a third down or a blow a timeout early in the third quarter, you may have time to still throw the middle of the field and get a completion there. You know what I mean? It's like, but it's, it's, where's the, I mean, is, is Marcus Freeman getting on the horn and saying, Hey, don't do, I don't know. I don't know if he's doing that or not, but I know that the offensive coordinator, who I have a great deal of respect for is not finding answers and he needs to be able to find answers. You've got to be able to say, Hey, look, it's not Riley Leonard's fault, but they just stopped giving the ball to Jeremiah Love after he got hot. Right. We say, Hey guys, I'm all four playing a deep depth chart, but you got to be willing to ride a hot hand. Right. You know, you got to be willing to ride a hot hand. They were married to that, that rotation, regardless of who was playing hot and who wasn't. And why are you trying to pop a draw at midfield with Devin Ford? Right. How, how are you not having Jeremiah Love on the field on that lap? He's our third downback. Well, then you need to be better prepared. You need to be better prepared for an end of the game situation where you've got to get your playmakers on the field and go make a play. I don't think Marcus Freeman walked in there and said, I demand that you take Jeremiah Love off of your third down offense or your two minute offense. I don't think that was a Marcus Freeman problem. Right. Ha ha. You've got to be willing to say, okay, yes, this is what we normally do. But in this situation, there's one dude on our team that has shown he, well, there's two dudes on our team that have shown they can make plays when there's not a lot there. And when the game was on the line, they were both sitting on the sidelines next to the, to the offensive coordinator running backs coach. That's inexcusable, inexcusable. And then you handed it off to Devin Ford, I'm not trying to throw a shade of Devin Ford, but that guy's not going to go win you a ball game. Right. Right. Put your guys in and put even, hey, maybe just a threat of Jeremiah Love or Gidarin Price being there is something that maybe gets a guy to creep up and you can hit somebody over the middle of the field. So I mean, there, there are problems, there are, there is blame to go around everywhere. And the fact that you never were able to find answers for their run game. The only time you really slowed them down is when Brown was on the sideline, nursing and injury. That's really the only time you got any consistent stops. You let them flip the field all day long, even when they didn't score because you weren't prepared for what we all talked about was going to happen in this game. Motion shifts, they're going to create extra, you know, extra spacing on the edge. They're going to do post snap switches. They're going to run jet sweeps. We talked about this guys. How are you not prepared to handle jet sweeps? So you know, this team was, was emotionally and schematically unprepared for this game. And Thomas Hammock and his staff coach absolute circles around the Notre Dame football team. And I don't want to hear, yes, it was a letdown game. We all knew that, but you know what good teams Penn State had a letdown game today against Bowling Green, who's not as good of a football team as northern Illinois, because they were coming off a big win over West Virginia and they had what they down 17 to three at one point time. Who won that game? Penn State, because they figured it out. They answered, they were down way more than what Notre Dame was down today, but they figured it out. I watched, as I said before, Georgia down 14 to three to South Carolina at halftime last year. They figured it out one convincingly. Notre Dame could not push the right buttons and that's head coach OC DC on down. You got out coach today. You got out physical today on your own freaking stadium by a Mac team. I don't care that it's a good Mac team. We told you all week. This is a good football team, y'all. So you may only win by 17. There's no excuse to lose it as football team and the fact that you didn't have your team prepared to go out and play. You blame Riley. If all they do this week, if the only change they make is to bench Riley Leonard, okay, you're not challenging anything. You're looking for a scapegoat because you're not looking in the mirror. I don't care who starts a quarterback moving forward. If the foundation doesn't change, it won't matter guys because it didn't matter last year and it didn't matter the year before that. One week they look like world beaters. They're aggressive. They're throwing a ball down for the next week. They won't throw the ball more than 10 yards out of field. Where have you heard that before? At least last year there were some games they tried to throw the ball down the field. And if your quarterback can't do that, I'm sorry, like, here's the deal. If you knew your quarterback couldn't throw the ball down the field, he shouldn't be your quarterback. It's like the thing which if Riley Leonard is this bad in practice, he shouldn't be your quarterback, right? I mean, what are we doing here, guys? If you're so unafraid to throw the ball down the field and willing to admit that publicly, which is super embarrassing, then he shouldn't be your quarterback. This isn't a situation where, well, who is supposed to do put Drew Pine in the game? You've got freaking Steve Angeli who you know I think he's got his limitations, right? We know that. But he's still better than Drew what Drew Pine was. You've got Kenny freaking Menchie over there and CJ Carr. If Riley Leonard is this bad that you don't feel you can open up your offense, then put another freaking quarterback in the game, but that's still on you. That's still on you. And that's the things like the fact that they tried to line up with a field goal kicker who's maybe like made what 150 plus yard field in his career and try to kick a 62 yard field for a 62 yard field goal. Like, come on, man. You knew what was going to happen. Vince, you and I both knew he was going to get blocked because every time he doesn't have the leg to make a kick tries to kick a ball like that, it's going to be a freaking line drive. Right. That's on you. And that's also happened when he tried to kick a 50 plus yarder. It was also a line drive and it got blocked right now. Those those those linemen can't let them get their arms up and all okay, cool. But like you're you're you're you're lining up for field goals. He can't hit man. That's not it's on you. That's not fair to that kid. First of all, that's not fair to your team. You had a better chance, Brian, in my opinion, of just throwing a Hail Mary because your dudes are pretty good at 50 50 balls. Just put it up. See what happens. When I saw him taking his headset off and handing it to the little kid next to him and they were lining up for a 62 yard field goal, I was like, I can't I can't watch it. I mean, I was I was literally had just finished up my they're going to lose a guy seriously during that last drive. I was putting the finishing touches on the post I made about how this is an embarrassing loss. Yeah. No, they're going to go down and score. Even when they completed that ball, they're going to score. They're going to give up a pressure. They're going to do something clock management-wise it's dumb, you know, and and look, I I have a I like Marcus Freeman a lot as a person. I want him to be successful here, but Marcus Freeman has to do some serious soul searching. And if his first thing in his mind when he gets home tonight is Riley Leonard this or Al Golden that or Mike then brought this, then then he's just not the guy because right now there's one thing that needs to get fixed and it's got to be it's got to be him finding out why his team keeps doing this. Why do you blow out Syracuse on the road one week and then come back what a week later, two weeks later and laying egg against a terrible Stanford team who this Northern Illinois team would have smacked by the way and not find answers. How do you beat Texas A&M on the road one week play with such fire and discipline and focus and you punch them in the mouth and you and then you come out and got punked. I think where my dad said Ryan said this early on the show, you got punked. Notre Dame came out and threw an uppercut on Northern Illinois and it landed and Northern Illinois was a little shook and Northern I said, okay, I got my bearings back. I'm going to throw punches back and Notre Dame said, Oh, hold on a second. That's not fair. You're Northern Illinois. What are you doing here? We're not prepared to take a counter punch. We thought you were going to lay down and die. What are you doing fighting back? And Notre Dame had no answers. They thought, well, we tried the knockout punch. That was our whole strategy. We thought you're going to knock you out and they never like what adjustments did you see Notre Dame go to in this game when we need to play. Let's call a tunnel screen. And guess what? It worked because their dudes are better than the other team's dudes. Right. And then they just would, you know, just no answers in any aspect of the game. No answers with the head coach, no answers with the OC, no answers with the defensive coordinator. Like, you know, you're watching Kurt, you're watching Donovan Highness get pushed around the field for 60 minutes. No adjustments there. Is Armo Mukam really that bad? Is Armo Mukam that bad that he can't get a snap when you're in, you know, I'm listening to Howard Cross and I loved what Howard Cross said after the game. He was saying captain stuff after the game. But where are you during the game? Like so people get mad that we talk about goodness D line was because they were. Where's that at? I don't know. I don't know where it's at. Benjamin Morrison is getting beat by freaking Mac receivers today. Well, yeah, he was like Jack Kaiser's getting blown off the ball. Your captains did not lead you today. And they weren't led. This wasn't on the sophomores. Matter of fact, if it wasn't for the sophomores, this game might not have been close because outside of a couple of plays by both Collins and one play by Riley Mills on that one third down stop. Riley Mills blew a dude up. That's like, well, I've seen that before and afterwards. Who made all the plays today? Jeremiah Love. Buba Carr, Jayden Osbury, Josh Burnham, Redshirt sophomore, Drake Bowen started to step up on the fourth quarter, late in the wood a couple of times like, where were the seniors? Where was Riley Mills? Where was Howard? Right? Where were they? So I just, this was an absolute failure from the top down and if we're just going to say this is all on Marcus Freeman, then we're being lazy. If we're going to say this is all on Riley and that, we're being lazy. This was a team failure today, but at the end of the day, two people primarily get the blame for team head coach in the quarterback. Sure. But at the end of the day, you guys know me, I'm lame at the feet of the coaches first and foremost. Yes. And when you like, guys, look, everybody has a bad game every now and then. That's true for everybody. Nick Saban had some like, how did you lose that game moments? You know, the year Clemson wins the national title, they lost at home to an eight and five pit team that wasn't very good. And they're only eight and five because they beat Clemson. They would have been seven and six if Clemson would have beat him, right? But that's an anomaly. This is a pattern. When you are not showing up emotionally ready to play and then can't do anything to get out of it, that's a pattern. That's not a bad game. That's not a let down game. That's a pattern. And who's responsible for that? Okay. It's Riley Leonard's fault this year. Whose fault was it last year? Whose fault was it in 2022? Because I only know one person and we've talked about coordinators and quarterbacks. There's only been one person that's been in the same role each of the last three years. Correct. He's got to be able to look in the mirror and say, what are we doing? His mom, guys, he's got all the slogans and they work. They're good slogans. If they're applied, the challenge, everything. It's beautiful. Last week, Marcus Freeman hit all the right buttons. You can't, like, that doesn't get dismissed because of this game. It actually makes it more frustrating. That's like, like, you guys tell me if I'm wrong here, I would rather him just be bad. And then we know he's bad and then you can just fire him. Like with Charlie and Ty, we knew they were bad. But when you look at the masterful job, he did getting his team ready to play last week. The masterful job he did in the fourth quarter with that football team last week. And the answers, the discharge, and he just pushed all the right buttons. It's even more frustrating when you come a week later and you watch this disaster where his team wasn't prepared. That makes it even more frustrating because, like, I know he's got it in him. But what are you missing here? What's missing here? And he's got to be willing to look in the mirror. Brian Kelly failed at Notre Dame because he was never willing to look in the mirror. If Marcus Freeman's willing to look in the mirror, he can turn this around. He is a young coach. He still is learning a good job. It's annoying. It's frustrating. But if he's not willing to look in the mirror and not say, and just him and say, "We've got to fix this." It's not the players. It's not your coordinators. It's not your strength coach. It's not Notre Dame. It's not that they had to go to class. You're the head football coach. You've got to find those answers. You've got to find those answers. And if he's not willing to do that, then he won't succeed here. If he does, then he can turn it around. The problem is it's going to be hard to change the perception of this football team because there's no win. No one's going to care if you beat little by 30. No one's going to care if he makes a quarterback change tomorrow. There's only, well, a buddy of mine said this. There's only one quarterback change he can make that would somewhat revitalize the fan base, and there's no way in hell he's going to do it. Zero chance that number 12 is the quarterback on Saturday night, and now I assume that's what you're talking about. I am. And I'm not even saying that's the right move. I'm saying that's the only one that would revitalize the fan base. Correct. The only thing that you can do is get to the playoff and win two or three games, but after you've beaten Northern Illinois, my hope is I just hope you can beat Purdue. I forget how I'm going to play offs. You know what I mean? So he's got to be willing to look in the mirror and say, "Why does this keep happening?" Correct. And completely reexamine that. And I hope he's got it in him because he's learned from a lot of mistakes, except this one. Right. This is the one he hasn't learned from. He learned, "Hey, I can't go out there and lay an egg in big games on offense." So let me go hire Mike Denbrock, but if you hire Mike Denbrock, but you don't change the root cause of why your offense was that way, it really doesn't matter. You got to let Mike Denbrock beat Mike Denbrock. I mean, that's what you got to do. Yeah. All right, fellas. Any final comments you want to make before we jump into the Super Chats? Sean, good, Trevor's good, Brian's good. Okay. Just busted. Well, that is a common thought, I think, throughout the Notre Dame fan base. And on this podcast, Brian, there is no doubt about it. And I will. One thing I wanted to agree with you on and just kind of put just a little highlight on it. And the only thing that could revitalize the fan base is changing quarterbacks to a certain guy. And obviously you were talking about CJ Carr. I think Kenny would be one too. I think there's a lot of people to be fired up. Fair. Okay. That's fine. The only point. I don't know if the fans would be as excited about Kenny as they would CJ just because the perception. Sure. But I still think a decent chunk of the fan base would still get kind of fired up if they went to him as well. But CJ would be the one that would know question about it would just get people fired up. Right. Yeah. No. Anybody else want that? Anybody? No. No, that's. Yeah. That's why I pointed to 2016 and it was like that was the only thing in that season that it was just like that season coming off 15 that was excitement. But this is something Vince that we need to think about. What we're talking about two or three seasons leadership has been a question. Does this thing two or three seasons for sure to this point leadership has been a question. So Brian is, you know, I kind of walked around and Brian just decided to go ahead and just jump both feet in the air and just smash it. Oh, this is so much bigger than Northern Illinois. I know we're focused on the loss in Northern Illinois, but this is so much bigger than Northern Illinois right now. And it's, it's perplexing. It's perplexing. Right. Because you get to a point now where now you might start to question what you hear now. That sounds good, but where's the substance? Sure. Oh, that sounds good, but where's the proof is? Can I, can I ask you a question, Sean? Yeah. Explain to me how you can do what you did last. This is what you say. Where's the substance? That's actually why I get so frustrated because we saw the substance a week ago. Right. Like we saw the substance like last year when they would blow out nine of the ten teams they beat, right? Like that's the thing that frustrates me because there are times when we see the substance, right? And perhaps I'm missing this. I'm understanding your point and I agree with you, but I'm adding a little bit of stank to it because it's like if it was just like it was with Thai or with Faust or with Davey or it's just like you just know he can't do it, you know, but then it's like, but when you see the instances where he does it, it's like you get this excitement because you do want to root for him because he is a very likable guy, you know, but I got some comments about, you know, there's certain ways you can treat people that support your program. Eventually they're going to, you know, they're going to stop buying that you're the great guy and, you know, all these type of things, but that's, I don't know if that's him as much as it's the people around him, you know, that are in charge of, you know, how they treat us, for example, different things like that. That's a different conversation for a different day, but eventually, man, like you get, I mean, so I want you to continue showing up like that, but like you say there's no substance like that's not the conversation we were having a week ago. That's what's so maddening to me, Sean. Yeah, but now, now this is what I'm talking about. Now you take another look at the Texas A&M game and you say, yo, did we get away with one? Like you, this, for me, it puts everything into perspective, right, because the truth of the matter is nothing really changed. Running game is solid, offensive line, they are who they are, right, game plans are probably a little bit different. You said last week they had one game plan, this week they decided to, you know, they're going to hide, right, so that's just so basically you don't have anything that is the goes back to leadership. You don't have anything that is the anchor of your program or you're up, you have nothing that no matter what we're doing, Michigan won last year because no matter what you knew, they were going to run the ball regardless of whether I J.J. McCarthy and not let you run the ball. This is what we're going to do, we're doing this, if J.J. shows up, fine, if he doesn't show up, fine, but no one thing for sure, we're stopping it and we're going to run it. We're stopping to run and we're going to run it. So what is now the identity after two weeks, what's the identity? What's the identity office? I thought we started to see it. What was that? Man, they went to both Collins a couple of times, right? They get to the 50, I'm like, okay, now they're about to close them out with the running backs. And I thought we were getting ready to see that fourth court identity again, both Collins in the passing game and the running backs and then here we go in a section. And it's so like to me, Sean, identity isn't so much about play calls, it's about how you play. And that's what you said. What was the identity last week, toughness? Even if ain't it's not that good, that doesn't change that they played hard, that they fought, that they scrap, that when the game was on the line, they stepped up and made plays. Today, they didn't fight, they didn't play hard, they didn't scrap, that's what's so maddening, Sean. That's why I'm sitting there just, I'm just, I'm losing my mind because it's like, how was this the same football team that we saw play, oh, and it was not that good guys, I told, I told you guys that for weeks leading up to that game, right? For weeks, it's about, but they played hard. Look, it was very windy today, you know, that might have hurt the past game. Okay, whatever is windy for Northern annoys, so they just ran it down your throat. So fine, we're going, we're going to be tougher than you are, like, okay, you got to have some answers for those type of things. Right? The fact that Northern Illinois pushed them around, you know, like my guy, Mark Stewart, you're getting mad at us, doom and gloom buddy, they just lost to Northern Illinois. What do you want me to do, you know, they've, in three years, they've lost to three and nine Stanford, Marshall in Northern Illinois, who lost last year to Southern Illinois and FCS team, what do you want me to do, man? What do you want me to do? I love Marcus Freeman, but I'm always going to be honest, if Brian Kelly did something like this, we would all be trashing him. Nobody be interdefending Brian Kelly, like some people are trying to defend coach Freeman. Look, I'm going to be honest, I love Marcus Freeman, but this, he's got to own this. This keeps happening. This isn't a one off. This isn't a one off. This keeps happening. So what do you want us to do? That's all good. Everybody. Don't worry about it. Everything's rainbows and sunshine. Back out and beat Purdue next week, they just lost to Northern Illinois, guys. Every phase of the game played into winning that game in the fourth quarter last week. And every phase in the game is why they lost this game. They couldn't punt, they missed two field goals. Every single phase of the game, it's the complete opposite of last week. And I don't understand it. I don't know how you get from that to this, Sean. You know what's so weird? You remember the practice we went to, and we're sitting there with time in Rendell's punts. And it's like four, five, four, seven, and we're like, yo, and Marcus Freeman comes to the podium at the practice like, yeah, we didn't have a good, we didn't have a good day punting. And I'm like, what were you looking for? I hope he wasn't looking for what he's been doing for the last two games. I know I know what my stopwatch you're saying, like, what? So it's like, what is the, what is the disconnect? Like, we see one thing. You don't see it and you see something and we don't see it. And it's like, well, you see, he's not working. What you see is you got this six foot sick, you went all the way down to Australia to give this big leg punter who booms a crap out of football and you're doing rugby punts all the time. So let me tell you, I was at a camp with 1,500 kids and I'd say 700 of them can do what James Ondel has done so far in two games. Right. Maybe it's a one off, whatever, but I never saw him doing what we saw him do. Sean, you were, I never saw him. You weren't there. Yeah. I never saw him. Sean, they weren't doing that when he was catching normal punts and booming the crap out of it. Booming the crap out of it. To the point that the punt return is, the punt return is withdraw. And they're not dropping these lion drives because he's not doing that. I don't understand easy and over end is easy to catch. I don't understand it. It's like, it's like, we'll see things in practice and then we get to the games and it's like, what is this? This is what you were practicing. Yeah. They're not throwing a ball down. They thought a ball down and feeling practice all the freaking time. Right. Then just stop repping that if you're not going to do it in the game, don't waste your time with it in practice. Either you know what you do, go do what Tommy Reese did in 2022. If that's who you want to be, go 1213 personnel and do what you know what you need to do. If you're going to, if you're going to have this mindset as a head football coach, go spend the next two days, wherever, Sean, where's Northern Illinois, first of all, now go to the cow, Illinois and sit down with Thomas Hamm, but can his nose see and say, okay, what do you guys do? And just run that offense because they just lined up. So we're going to go wildcat to our stud. And we're going to have nothing but tight ends in the game. And you know what's coming Notre Dame, number five team in the country on your own field. And you're not going to be able to stop it. If you're going to have that mentality, then just lean into it. Don't give us this. Let's go hire Mike Denbrock and this, that and the others like, I mean, you know, in the last four years, Mike Dembrock has been in the college football playoff. He had coached an undefeated football team. He coached the SEC East West Champs and he coached the number one offense in the country and he comes to Notre Dame and all of a sudden they can't even do anything close to what Jared Parker's offense did last year. And I'm, I'm supposed to believe that's all Riley Leonard's fault and all Mike Denver. I mean, come on, what are we doing here? There's something, there's a, there's a disconnect going on. There's some level of disconnect going on. And you know, it's, you know, it's actually, if he's going to have them in town, he wants to have the smart thing for coach for him to do would actually to be put into CJ card in the game. Cause then he has an excuse to run a conservative offense. I got a freshman quarterback guys, what do we want me to do? Why go get Riley Leonard and do this? Why go get Mike Denbrock and do this? I love it how all these people forget how to coach and forget how to play when they come to Notre Dame. I can promise you there will be more of the same over the next few days. We've got our, upon for the review show tomorrow at seven. At this point. Oh, that'd be fun. And we've got, of course, our, our shows that are going to be breaking everything down in the afternoon and in the evening all week long, make sure you hit that subscribe button, that notification bell, share with your family and friends, all the good stuff. We'd really appreciate it. Because we're going to be along for this ride for the entire season, guys, like it or not. You know, whether we enjoy it or not, we're not quitting, we're not quick to quit the message. Yum, yum quit. That's fun. Seriously. You quit. All that happens there. That's all. That's even for every time coming Notre Dame, whenever they lose a game like this, people is hilarious. Okay. Whatever. We're not. Yeah. We're not going anywhere. We'll keep on it like we see it. You may not like it. You may want us to come here and be a biologist. You were, you may just want to come here and say, fire everyone and I can do either one of those two things. And that's fine. Cause we don't advocate for firing coaches. That's not a thing. Well, no, it's not the answer. Of course, it's not the answer. Of course, it's not the answer. So that's, if that's what you want, go someplace else. That's fine. That's cool. 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