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What was it again 17 point 16 points they have 16 points right so like in a vacuum you're like the defense wasn't the problem but like if we watch the game. You know that defense was a problem right so I mean like Trevor you say that and it sounds hyperbolic. But there wasn't many bright spots to either side of the ball tonight there really wasn't. No, I mean my biggest question one starts around personnel groupings. We heard nothing but great things in the fall camp about our Mel Mucum about how he's burst onto the scene. Look I understand wanting to lean on your veteran guys you have Howard Cross you have Riley Mills. You also had Howard Cross and Riley Mills who were getting pushed five yards off the ball on any given run. At what point do you have to look internally and say maybe we just try somebody else I'm I'm not all for schematically just throwing people in to see who works and who fits. But I think it has to make sense when you make substitutions but Northern Illinois had a great game plan for this they knew not to throw into the heart of this defense. Because I would make the argument that there's not I mean after what Texas did today maybe Texas. But I don't know if there's many teams in the country who can go toe to toe with Notre Dame secondary and I'm willing to bet that that list doesn't start with Northern Illinois. Maybe but they had a great game plan for it we talked about it in the in the pregame show and keys to victory and Sean has already brought it up about how the linebackers were going to be able to play. And they held a big key with how much pre snap motion Northern Illinois does for the play a lot of activity before the snap. And I bring up jade nozberry because until he started to see legitimate snaps it was a little rough out there. They were able to get matchups they I mean the amount of times an inside linebacker whether it was Kingston or Drake caught on a wheel route or something up the sideline early in the game was rough. But yeah initial reactions to defense that's where I'm at stuff. Sean, I just had a young man tell me that I just had a young man tell me that Northern Illinois. They only have one big play. Well if you take out that one big play that they had the running back slide over 120 all-purpose yards and he was hurt for the majority of the fourth quarter so again guys I think that we can call call for the issues that we see. I just go say that the defense did not play well today like you can whatever right they didn't play well. Yes the big play was bad don't get me wrong that was a bad touchdown that happened at the very beginning of the game. You had plenty of time to recover from that. And the problem was in key moments the defense couldn't get off the field. That's the problem they were getting pushed around right. Look it's not even the amount of yards. I don't care. It's the moments that mattered it's the they routinely and I have to go back and make you know the stats or whatever they routinely had Northern Illinois in second and long routinely. And then they would give up seven yards on yes on second down and then it would be third and short. And I leaned over to Sean and Sean Steyers and I looked at Brian Driscoll and I said do we have any faith that this defense is going to stop Northern Illinois in short yardage. And they both looked at me like nope because we didn't. With the way that game was going I had zero faith that that defense could stop Northern Illinois on in short yardage on a regular basis and they didn't. And so that was the problem defensively. It's not that they gave up a bunch of big plays. Yeah look some guys didn't play well right Ben Morrison I think got more catches on him today than he has in his entire Notre Dame career right. Some guys didn't play well but in the big moments the defense as a whole couldn't get off the field right. We would be lauding the defense right now if they continue to give it back to the offense and then the offense spotter now they did do that at times don't get me wrong. But in the big moments especially that final drive just as an example that final drive Northern Illinois just kept churning out the yards getting first downs the lead in the clock and all this different stuff. Their best player was on the sideline when that took place. That's the problem with the defense. They took your heart on the final drive that they had without their best player on the field they took your hearts and I know we can do this right. If the offense was on the field more sure guys yes there's always context but we can't look past it and say that the defense played well today I will not right. They only scored six points after that fluke guys watch the game man right. They almost played all game all game people were making plays no forced turnovers it was ugly man. I just I hate the excuses I hate it's all you know what no no it's all Riley Leonard's fault he was the only one that played bad today. He was playing D line wasn't he he was playing D line because last time I checked the D line got their butts handed to him on a regular basis the entire game that's not coaching. That's not scheme. That's you getting your butt kicked one on one. I'm sorry that that's what that is and it's linebackers not getting off blocks it's all of these different things the defense did not play well. I don't care that they only gave up 16 points because you know what 16 was all they needed. It's all they needed 16 won in the game. So great they only gave up 16 16 won in the game. Yeah. And for me defensively I go back to situational football, which was what the big issue with our goal in his first year as a defense coordinator, which come into a second year he said we're going to improve upon. And Notre Dame improved upon situational football. But how many times did we see Ethan Hampton oot led or scrambling with nobody to touch him. No, oh, oh player the running with the running back nobody says you know what let me leverage this let me keep outside the tank. I don't know what's going on, but I don't know what's going on, but I don't know what's going on, but I don't know what's going on, but I don't know what's going on. You just get up feel and forcing back inside to your pursuit. It's a stop, both of the types of things that it's like you can't allow that to happen. This is supposed to be a championship defense, right. These are the type of games. These are the type of games with JJ McCarthy playing terrible that Michigan won. Because the defense when it mattered. Shut teams down. We can go pull three or four games where it would have been easy to put blame on how the offense played. What they went to Penn State and handed the ball off well how many times straight times. At Penn State 30 something. It was crazy. But the defense stepped up. In played championship. This defense had a chance to step up. They were and then you get the job done. You can sit up here and talk about it. We're not about to absorb anybody in this loss. No one deserves it. It's funny because in the chat people think like we're saying that certain people played well. Guys, there's plenty of blame to go around. I don't think I've said a single thing positive except congratulating Trevor on his marriage. Like that's it. That's the positive aspect on this thing. Vince, I just want to say one thing before Trevor goes because Trevor is going to give us deep and great analysis. Okay. People are trying to talk about this in the chat and I'm not going to address the chat from this. Guys, Riley Leonard played bad. We're talking defense right now and the defense didn't play well. I'm sorry. When we get to offense, I will once again say Riley Leonard played bad. That will again come out of my mouth. Riley Leonard played bad. Now we're talking about defense and the defense also was not good enough today. Correct. Correct. Could not agree more. Trevor, the floor is yours, sir. No, heard that. I agree. Riley Leonard's time will come. Okay. This will be a long show. We'll be here. We're digging our heels in. Look, the entire time watching defense, it looked like everybody else on the field was waiting for somebody else to make a play. And that is so frustrating to watch. When you have this veteran to Sean's point championship caliber defense in those games that Michigan dug out last year with their defense, they had that. Right. They had a Mike San Rossella, you know, a Mason Graham or a Will Johnson come in and make a play to in. And that just wasn't there today. It's so frustrating to talk about. Yes, Northern Illinois played a heck of a game today. And I think we're all in agreeance that that doesn't take away. What what they did, but your Notre Dame. Northern Illinois can play their hearts out. You're not supposed to lose. That's the thing. That's the issue starts with. It starts systemically, sorry, trying to get that word out. Everything comes, everything comes top down. In my opinion, and if we're looking at it specifically on the defensive side of the ball. I don't, I don't understand how you're so prepped one week for an opponent and you come into this week. And you look like you had no idea what Northern Illinois was going to do on offense with anything Jaylen seed was lost today. To your guys's point that you brought up earlier, absolutely lost. We can. We can sit and point the finger all we wanted at specific things, but and I hate to give the cop out answer, but. Players played poorly and I think that that was maximized by. The preparation not being there in my opinion, some of the stuff that was happening. I was watching on my couch. And I wrote written about it in an article. I was like, Hey, this is the stuff that you should look out for. I feel like if I can see that sitting on my couch. Somebody at Notre Dame, you would be able to also point that out and figure it out. I just don't understand what happened. I don't know if they just assume that their talent would take over. But how many times do you have to go through this and say that maybe sometimes, even though you are clearly the more talented team talent might not be enough. 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It's interesting that you talk about that Trevor, because I'm sitting here thinking. And I'm interested in what you guys, we talk about them being out in my opinion, they got outcoached. They got outcoached. They've got outplayed. They got outcoached. Yes, man, tip of my cap to the players from Northern Illinois, but tip of the cap to the offense coordinator and the defense coordinator. They basically dared Riley Leonard to throw deep, basically what they did. They dared him to throw deep, their safeties didn't go any further than eight to ten yards. They helped out in the run game and they were willing to give that up and trust that Riley Leonard couldn't beat them for four quarters. Didn't happen. That's not the place blame on Riley Leonard. That's just to say, that's the game plan. They decided this is going to give us the best chance to win offensively. They said, we're going to run the ball, shorten the game. And then we know this is what I really want to get to. They know. In this situation, this is what they're going to do. And every time they anticipated man to man, they had to answer for. The dude, they're running the slowest jet sweep I've ever seen in my life and getting the edge. I'm in doing it multiple times. But are we not prepared for that? Is there no communication on the back and say, okay, he's coming, drop down. That's your man. Where? So I'm like, yo, even though you have a great secondary. You just can't go man. All the time in key situations. You're basically do if you have a good office coordinator. He's going to attack you. He's going to attack you. And that's exactly what they did today. And with our goal is defense. I'm good once again, not just this year, and games like that in close situations. We see kids get a seat, see the defense getting out leverage. It's system. And big games and it's frustrating. It's frustrating. Because I don't know if we can just blame that on the kids. Or does that go up to the coaches staff? But it's unacceptable. I think that is the key word for this entire, no matter what we talk about, whatever we're talking about is going to be unacceptable at this point. It's just flat out unacceptable for those things to be happening. Unacceptable. Trevor, like you said, how is Jane Austbury not in the game at that point? Well, I don't know. At the most important, but I hope it goes back to what Al Golden said this week. It doesn't matter who's in the game. It doesn't matter what situation we just, we just rotate. It's like, hold on, man. Hold on. Even a good coach knows you go to the man that's hot. If this guy is going, we're calling to play for him. We're putting him in. I don't care what the rotation says. This kid has been playing his butter. You know, it's all the entire second half. Rock out. It's just so many different situational things and coaching things and awareness and, you know, the time outs and the clock, man. It's just so, it's like you plug one hole here and it's another one popping open over here. You plug that one and here's another. It's just at this point, it's unacceptable. It just is. And I hate having to speak in these terms because once again, they gave up 16 points. They gave up 16 points. But those 16 points really should have been seven. Everyone be honest. I'll give him the first plate. The big one. I'll give him that. That's bad. He can happen. Still in there. Got smack. That's perfect ball. Kingston got beat. Hey, that's the game. You scheme that up. You scheme. You got the young line back in one on one with your best player. You scamed it up. I knew that was going to end poorly too, Sean. As soon as he, as soon as he flexed out as soon as he motioned out and I saw. He's been like, oh, halfway is like more of like a overhang than like actually out on him. And I didn't see a safety. I was like, oh, no, it's not going to end. Well, I don't think I didn't think it was going to be a 83 yard touchdown. But I mean, yeah, if we're talking about from the top bot to down defensively. Al Golden, I think, has been a tremendous defensive coordinator for the majority of his Notre Dame career. He got out coached today. I mean, just like that. Again, I knew it was 16 points or whatever. But like there were several big plays that were created because the offense won. They outleveraged. They were creative. And yeah, I think Al Golden lost the matchup of defensive coordinator versus offensive coordinator for Northern Illinois today. Oh, well, we're, by the way, we're adding a part to this segment and we're going to talk defense and that we're going to talk offense. And then we're going to talk coaching because I think that that is a, a viable topic to have. So if you guys are, you know, when we're breaking this stuff down, leave your specific coaching thoughts until that part, right? Not, not, the other thing you said was awesome and absolutely accurate. I just want to put in a button on the defensive part of this in that. Look, you're right. And Ryan said this earlier. And so I'm basically echoing what Ryan said, but I know people are kind of in and out and people are whatever. They gave up 16 points and in a vacuum, 16 points does not seem like that much. I think Notre Dame average giving up like 15 points last year. 16 points is good. Okay. Well, then can I just add, there was a comment that there was only one big play in the game. There was also, but aside from the 83 yard, there was a 43 yard, there was a 28 yard run. There was another 20 plus yard or so. There were a couple big plays there. I mean, we can admit it to you. Yeah, I have over 20. I have over 20 after knocking up a single over 20 last week. So yeah, there were some big chunk plays today. Sorry to tell you. Correct. Yeah, there were, there were way too many northern, excuse me, northern Illinois had six, what they call big plays, according to stack cast today, which is passing plays over 15 and running plays over 10. They had six. That's, that's unacceptable. That's way too much. And so the point that I want to back up with Ryan said, yes, 16 points in a vacuum is not a lot. They often should be able to score more than 16. Yes, no doubt about it. But you have to look at the game and you have to watch the game. You have to understand the moments in the game. Notre Dame is winning 14 to 13 and northern Illinois gets the ball with, I think, four plus minutes to go. They gave it back to Notre Dame after scoring a field goal with 30 seconds. Okay. The defense had multiple opportunities to get the ball back at that point. All right. And it was an epidemic of what had been going on all game long. Northern Illinois controlled the line of scrimmage offense offensively versus Notre Dame's defense. They controlled the line of scrimmage. Okay. That's not okay. If Notre Dame is going to have an elite defense and we all were talking about the elite defense at Notre Dame all off season. And especially after last Saturday, if people think that they have an elite defense, they cannot allow that final drive. I'll just boil it down to that final drive. They were getting pushed around all game, guys. They were and we said it and people don't want to hear it, but that's the truth. We can boil it down to one drive. Northern Illinois held onto the ball for the remainder of the game on their terms and kick the game winning field goal. And we'll talk about offense next and we'll be critical of offense as well. Of course we are. And yes, Jimmy, it was only 16 points, but you're not listening to what I'm saying. This is why I wanted to chat off because it gets me upset. Okay. Within the confines of the game, you're winning by a point. You got to stop them. Period. If you're an elite defense, you should be able to stop a mid-level Mac team offensively in the final drive of the game. That's it. That's it. I don't care what the total points were. It may have well been 172 points. The problem was Notre Dame had 173 when you got the ball, when they got the ball. Get the ball back to the offense so they could put a knee on it and call it a freaking day. That's the problem. Okay. They didn't play well. The defense didn't play well. And we're going to get to the offense next. Do you guys have anything else you want to say about the defense after my rant? I apologize. The interior defensive line was the most disappointing part to me. I know how across has been kind of back and forth, which is being a little bit banged up and stuff, but I think it's two straight games that Riley Mills didn't show up if we're just talking about guys that kind of were a little bit of no show. So I think Riley Mills did not do anything today to give me any positivity to how good the defensive line could be moving forward. You mentioned Jay Nauseberry. I think he had a tremendous game. I thought Buba Cartreori had a couple of nice flashes just based upon watching the game, but I did not think Mills came to play. I also did not think, I think Kaiser was okay. Nothing special. He was just whatever he was out there. There was one other player that I did want to mention that I did not think played overly well, but it will come back to me. But overall, if we're looking at the positive of defense today, Jay Nauseberry is the positive. I will say this, I thought Buba Carr had some decent play. Agreed. He had some decent running game. Yeah, he played well. Five was slashing. I remember him. This is a double R Vince Trevor. Just real quick, this could be, this could very well be 2016 all over. Oh, don't say it. No, no, no, no, no, no, where you get to the point, man, where it's like, okay, now we're just, we're just watching youngsters develop, which it is watching those young kids in the second half of the season, the Julian loves and all those kids come in and play. He eventually led to 2018. Right, market dream does that and what's time. He's not entrenched like Brian Kelly what true, but if it turns, if it turns bad, I don't feel comfortable about Purdue. I don't know about any game left. I really don't feel comfortable about Louisville. Nice. And that pass for us to have. I don't know if you guys realize this or not. I mean, you guys watch college football, but Miami of Ohio is better than Northern Illinois. And they're still on the schedule. So just throwing that out there. Chuck is looking at his job, I mean, wouldn't you be, and shout out. Jordan Clark played well today. I forgot about Jordan Clark. I had some good flash. I thought Jordan Clark played well. Yep. The last thing that I'll say, and this is for the people and I have friends like this too, who only want to look at stats and they only use statistics to formulate their argument. This kind of goes back to what we were talking about. They gave up 16 points. Okay, you had a team in Northern Illinois come into your house and run the ball 45 times. Their quarterback had 10 completions. And they were able to move the ball at will. So yes, 16 points, you put that in a box. Logically, you have to say, yeah, well, you're Notre Dame, you should probably score more than 14 points. I get that argument 100%. But, but 45 times and averaged 4.2 yards a carry 190 yards rushing on the ground. And you allowed that to happen to Vince's point. If you just go back and watch the game for whatever reason second down defense was atrocious today. Yes, I mean, and I think atrocious is put lightly in the spirit of not cursing in this show. Okay. That's so bad. And it was almost like after first down, you get a stop for two yards and it's almost like everybody took a breath. It's like, Oh, thank goodness. Finally, they were actually pretty good on first down. To be honest with you, they were actually pretty good on first down. It's second down that they were awful, all game long. Yes. Like, I agree, the offense underperformed. They had the ball for almost 10 less minutes. Then what Northern Illinois did. Almost 10. And there's that's a double sided coin. You can look at that one way and say, well, if the offense was better, they'd have the ball longer. Or you can look at it the other way. And if you watch the game, this is how it was. It magnified every possession the offense had. Yep. And put it under a microscope that said, well, we know that Northern Illinois is just going to have the ball for the next eight minutes. So we have to score here. And that is a really rough spot to be in as an offensive coordinator, as a quarterback, as whoever. And those are the stats that I beg you guys to go and look at. Don't just look at 16 points. We should score more than 16 points. Yes. We all agree with that. Yes. Yes. But you have to go and dive a little deeper. If you are, if you're not going to do the eye testing and you actually sat down and watch the game, if you're somebody that needs statistics to leverage your argument, go look at time of possession and yards per carry. And, and you get half of the answers that you need right there. And that's all awesome. But we say this don't can see Trevor, you play the same defensive game. Against an actual talented offense. They put 35 on the board today. 35 against this team. You let Texas come in and control the trenches like they like that today and watch how much point. Oh, they're going to find because they have receivers that can go and challenge one on one. All the offense? Oh, yeah. 3035 points. Cause Northern Illinois had the opportunities. Cause they were in Notre Dame territory. Five to six times today. We're chance to put points on the board. So don't look at the points and say where we only gave up 16 points. Thank God we were playing Northern Illinois. The performance is against an actual top top of the line offense, and you put forth this type of effort in the trenches. It could have been much worse, much worse, much worse. And so that is, you know, don't get food. And it's amazing that Jim Trussell can make that phone call to Marcus Freeman and say don't be fooled. Everything is all things and not good. Okay. It's one thing to say that. But it's then it's another thing to actually coach it. Transfer, transfer that to your players. Get them ready and have them go out there and play. Right, Jay, let's need. No, we, man, we're just as pumped up for this game as we were for Texas A&M. Like Ryan said, where? Where you got bullied. You got pushed around. You allowed a team. You pay the team four million, by the way, to come in to push you around at home. No doubt about it. Couldn't have said about it myself. Let me take it. It's not. It's beyond unacceptable. It's embarrassed. I'm embarrassed as a Notre Dame fan. I'm in flat out embarrassed. I'm embarrassed. But it's performance. I'm embarrassed. It's embarrassed. Agreed. So that's going to wrap up the defense. I'm embarrassed as a Notre Dame fan. I'm embarrassed as a Notre Dame fan. I'm embarrassed as a Notre Dame fan. I'm embarrassed as a Notre Dame fan. I'm embarrassed as a Notre Dame fan. I'm embarrassed as a Notre Dame fan. I'm embarrassed as a Notre Dame fan. I'm embarrassed as a Notre Dame fan. I'm embarrassed as a Notre Dame fan. I'm embarrassed as a Notre Dame fan. I'm embarrassed as a Notre Dame fan. I'm embarrassed as a Notre Dame fan. I'm embarrassed as a Notre Dame fan. I'm embarrassed as a Notre Dame fan. I'm embarrassed as a Notre Dame fan. 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