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So Kirk Herb Street was on the Pat McAfee show this week. And they talked a little bit about Marcus Freeman at Notre Dame. This one starts with one of McAfee's sidekicks, Boston Connor, asking Herb Street about Marcus Freeman. At Notre Dame, there is a video of Marcus Freeman kind of- Oh, boy, he's going before the game. How do you feel about their performance, obviously, on offense kind of- Dude, I appreciate you going there because, man, I walked out in there, I'm glad you brought him up. I forgot to bring him up. I love that. I love that. Me too. AJ knows him better than anybody. Played with James Larranitis, part of the Ohio State. Time back improved, it was fantastic. Wayne Warrior. But he is an absolute- I don't know if there's another coach that relates to the players better, genuinely, authentically than Marcus Freeman. And, you know, he's got Jim Tressel in his style and playing for him. You know, he even told me before the game, "Hey, a pun's okay. You know, we're breaking in a freshman left tackle. You know, we've got some new people up there." And then he's like, "Get right in the fourth quarter." I told you. Like he told his guys, "We're going to find a way to win this thing in the fourth quarter." So, you know, not another coach in the country who relates to players like Freeman. You know, I think it's something that we're probably pretty aware of. You know, like we know what Marcus Freeman is in terms of his relationships with the players and stuff like that. But what do you think of like the impact when someone like Herb Street sees that, you know, and talking about it in this way? Well, it's clearly in the minority as far as the stuff that I've heard so far. So, I was a little bit surprised. I mean, everybody thinks that Kirk Herb Street hates Notre Dame and all this stuff. It doesn't hurt that there's an Ohio State graduate leading Notre Dame right now. I'm sure that doesn't hurt the cause, Annie. Oh, we're going to go. We're going to go. I'm just saying it doesn't hurt. That's all I'm saying. Oh, I'm just saying. I didn't even think about it that way. Just saying it doesn't hurt. I'm not saying that's why I'm just saying it doesn't hurt. Okay. But no, he was very complimentary. And I think everything that he said is legit. And I had listened to these comments earlier today. It must have. Yeah, it must have been this morning. I had listened to these comments. And I was a little bit surprised because he didn't hold anything back from the love standpoint. I mean, he was loving some Notre Dame with his comments, which is a little bit of a cry from what he was saying at the end of the actual game itself. So honestly, I feel like you're a little butt hurt over a little comment at the game. I am a little butt hurt about that. That's gonna lie. I think that was it was it was reckless, Sean. It was reckless. Wow, we're going to court now. It's like a live slander. Nick says, where was this love and admiration during the broadcast? I will say that like watching Herb Street, you know, like we're hearing him. But like watching him. And you know, just just like his demeanor when he's on with on that McAfee show is so different than when he's when he's doing the broadcast. And honestly, I feel like he's he's a lot just more, you know, like you talk about. I feel like he's a lot more just sort of honest and free flowing and willing to give more opinion because I think that this would be my read on it sitting in a, you know, having sat in broadcast booths and you have to like for games. It's like when you sit there, everything that you say is going to be parsed and picked apart in terms like even people reading into things exactly what he means about this and that. Sure. Everything else. And I think that I think that it's good that you you got to see what struck me is just hearing Kirk Herb Street give his honest opinion. Right. Of Marcus Freeman. And we'll hear some more, you know, comments about, you know, what he has to say about Notre Dame as well. Just like in this setting, I think we got up, we got more from Kirk Herb Street than we probably, you know, actually got in the booth in a long time. I think he was, he, he tempers what he says in the booth. He's trying to be more professional. And obviously the Pat McAfee show is a little less than that. So he's a little bit more comfortable to kind of speak his mind. And so, you know, we've talked about this before. We were just talking about Cheryl Swoops and what she did or didn't say. In a broadcast game setting, which is completely different than a talk show. Cause like we talked to remember a couple of years ago, there was a little bit of a minor controversy when Olivia Miles was healthy and Deb Entanelli, one of the game analysts. She works for, you know, like ESBN and ACC network and all that stuff. And I think she's in the North Carolina Hall of Fame or, you know, something, NC State Hall of Fame or something like that. But, you know, like the comments she, there were comments she made, like, well, would you rather have Miles? Would you rather have Citron? And I just felt like that's more a show for, that's like a debate show topic. That's not, that's not, no, it doesn't go to like what Swoops was, was, was talking about. But I just feel like there are things that, that should be brought up in a game and shouldn't be brought up in a game. Like there, there are just certain directions that you can't go, but you can go there in a more open form, like a podcast or a talk show or whatever it happens to be. And, and I will also say, like I said, it was a more laid back position, but I think he also had time to reflect on the game itself. Sure. And when you're in the moment of a game and you're watching a game, you know, and you're seeing it all and you're commenting on it, there's certain things that you could miss. There's certain things that you see that you latch onto, maybe too much. I've been guilty of that, you know what I mean? When you're trying to analyze a game and do all of these different things. So I do think at least one or two days removed, he's had an opportunity to kind of think back and, and, and, you know, reflect on the actual game. And so I, I tend to take these comments more seriously than I do the comments he had during the game. Right. Makes sense. No, I mean, it's a little bit like I was thinking about this with Brian Kelly today. Like I've said this before, when Brian Kelly was here, even Brian Kelly should not do post game press conferences. Right. He is far too emotional. And we saw that. Yeah. All right. Brian Kelly should stay away from post game press conference. He just do the Monday press conference when he's had time to get away from it and reflect a little bit because he can actually, you know, like come up with thoughts and not explode. You know, in front of the cameras out there and it's a little bit the same. You know, you kind of have a little bit of time away and just, we all rewatch games and stuff like that. And you have different feels for what you see when you're rewatching it compared to when you saw it live. Right. 100% shoot as a coach. I feel the same way. Yeah. There's a reason they go back and look at game film. Right. Price picks is America's number one daily fantasy sports app with over five million active members. Price picks is the easiest and most exciting way to play daily fantasy sports. Unlike other apps on prize picks, it's just you against the numbers. All you do is pick more or less on two to six player stat projections and watch the winnings roll in. 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So when he said the program's doing this, he was, he was pointing straight up. Yeah, not even like a, yeah, he was like, exactly, you know, again, some pretty high praise there. Yes, it was from Kirk Herb Street. It absolutely was. And I agree, obviously with what he's saying, it is a very tough thing for this to be your first, you know, job. There's no doubt about it. I mean, it's extremely tough and I think there was a learning curve there as well. I think we all had, you know, we've been watching him learn on the job for better or for worse, but I also agree with the fact that he is genuine and what you see is what you get with Marcus Freeman. He's not a different guy, at least in my experience. And I see him outside of the Notre Dame bubble, you know, at some of his kids events and things like that. Like he is who he is. And there's no, there's, I don't think that there's a persona. I think it's, this is me, man. And if you don't like it, cool. If you do, let's go. I just think that that's who he is. And I think the players can feel how genuine it is. Yeah. I mean, the players, if it was phony, the players would just roll their eyes and it would matter. You know, like when other guys have tried to have whatever, you know, kind of, like, I think, you know, you can read that pretty easily. And obviously I don't think that's a thing, but it, you know, it, it is. I think that that was one of the biggest questions for Freeman because you're going from a coordinator to being a head coach at Notre Dame with the spotlight and the pressure and all the expectation that comes with it didn't work out very well for Bob Davie. Yeah. We call the last, the last coordinator to get an opportunity like that didn't work out very well. And even Charlie Weiss, like there was some initial success. But remember, he was a coordinator as well, had never been a head coach before. Never been in college. To Notre Dame. Yeah. I mean, and that was the biggest issue. That was the biggest issue. Yeah. For sure. Because he did it like an NFL. Great offensive mind, but just sure it was the college aspect and how to develop and build a program, which is essentially what led to obviously to Brian Kelly being the head coach. Complete opposites. So how about this one from Herb Street on his impressions of what stood out to him about Notre Dame players when he saw him Saturday night? They're only going to get better with Rylun Leonard at quarterback. And that offensive line is so young when they come together. I'd like the skill when they just, you know how, when a team comes on the field, Pat, you're big on that. Like, wow, TCU. They're big. Like no other game to recruiting through the portal. They look so different than where they were a few years ago. They used to always have big linemen, big tight ends, big D linemen, big linebackers. And their skill, it just looks different. They're long. They're bouncing athletic guys. That really stood out to me, Vince. I don't know about you. I mean, you know, there are obviously some people who just look at recruiting rankings and they're like, well, is Marcus Freeman really moving the needle? But you know, again, like Herb Street travels all over the country and regardless of what you think of him, like, he sees what elite players look like. And you know, so he, you know, he knows the difference in what that looks like. So that really stood out to me hearing him say that about the change in a short amount of time that he's seen from what Notre Dame players look like, right? Well, and again, the vast majority of the guys in the field are Marcus Freeman guys, right? And so if he's saying that about this team, he's saying that about Marcus Freeman and bringing these guys in. So I appreciate that he has noticed. I just don't appreciate what he says next, which almost seems like a complete like 180 from what he just said. This is, this is Vince in a nutshell, man. Like you can say any good things, but you say one thing that gets in his car. He's just, he's just going to remember you forever. He's going to hate you forever. He's going to yell at you to get off his lawn. Let's just go ahead and hear it freshly cut. You look at their schedule, probably going to be favored in every game they play. The game at the end of the year, all of a sudden with USC at the LA Coliseum, interesting game to remember and to put on the back of your mind. But Notre Dame is, I think they're mature. They got a great group together. I think they're, they're a team that's going to be in the playoff without a doubt. It's just a matter of how much better and how much better can they get and can they stay healthy because I don't know what kind of depth they have right now. What kind of win in college station in front of that crowd, obviously showing up big minds, everything. It's a huge win. However, pans up. Very interesting. They're going to be in the playoff, but he's not sure about the depth. I really, that was the head scratcher to me there. Right. And so I think you feel the same because he just said he, they walked out on the field. They're big. They're massive. They're faster long, but I don't know about their depth. Like I will give him a pass, okay, because of all the good things that he said, I will give him a pass because I feel like he's a national guy who, you know, I don't really have an issue. What you really going to know about Notre Dame's depth in one game, right? Right. And I'm okay with that. Like you're not going to have the opportunity to really dive into the depth and all of that of every single team that you cover. You're going to know who the starters are, the contributors are, the guys you're actually going to have to talk about in the game. So if you don't know that this is the deepest Notre Dame team that has been here in decades, you know what Kirk, I'll give you that. Cool. I'll wait. That's okay. Right. With that. Because, you know, like, I think it was on the countdown show and when you and Jesse and I were together last week, what do we do? The one word to describe Notre Dame and my word was deep. Yes. This is the deepest roster. Right. That I can remember and, like, um, Leonard Moore played out there Saturday night against Texas A&M. Good point. Freshman. True freshman. Right. Out there. You know, like the, the only two position group, you know, obviously the offensive line stayed out there the whole night, Leonard stayed out there the whole night. But three running backs, you know, that was, and three tight ends. Like those were the only two position groups that only played three guys. Like all those positions, like look at the rotation of the defensive line. Like, I would have thought that the depth of that defensive line would have stood out considering how that game played out in a quarter, you know, right. And the depth. That was a little surprising, but he was very complimentary. Yeah. He was very high given him a pass, but like clearly the depth was there at linebacker. You rotated five guys. The depth at line or defensive line was there. You know, you rotated a bunch of guys there like clearly the depth was there, but you know, he said a lot of nice stuff. So I'll let it go. Yeah. Let it go. Maybe Brian just jump it in Kirk Herb Street is the K H that is being referenced talking about Kirk Herb Street. So some interesting comments that I thought that he had fill in the blank. It's blank that Jalen Snead said the last time he saw Marcus Freeman is fired up as he was last Saturday night was after the Marshall game two years ago. Fantastic. Frankly, because he should have been fired up after that game for all the wrong reasons. Right. I mean, right. I wouldn't. I, that is not a time where you walk in the locker room and you're like, all right, guys, you know what? Flush this loss. So, you know, we're going to, we're not even going to watch the film. We're going to move on. Like it's not time for that. It's time for them to know that that's completely unacceptable period. And it's not only unacceptable by the players. It's unacceptable for the coaches and the support staff and the nutrition state. Everybody. It's unacceptable. Right. He should be fired up for that. But I think that's a very interesting reference. I didn't know he was that fired up. I love that he was though. I love it. He didn't show that again, like he stayed restrained obviously on the field, but he obviously was, you know, was lightened into some people afterwards, whether the cameras were actually on and, and rolling it, it, it does strike me that Notre Dame did host Ohio state last year. You know, that was obviously a season after Marshall and he wasn't nearly as fired out. Like was he because it was his alma mater and the hype around it and everything else was he restraining himself a little bit. I don't know. I just, I will say a lot of people have wanted to see a more fired up. Marcus Freeman. I think that his emotion needs to be whoever he is again, like going back to his authenticity. I don't think he needs to, you know, to push it and, you know, like, well, like now I need to, you know, whatever kind of thing. He just like if that's his personality, he just needs to, to let that personality drive him in whatever direction that he thinks is best for his team. I will be kind of curious to see again, like what that looks like this week when the atmosphere is going to look a lot different. That's fair. That's fair. I don't think he's going to come out all fired up the way he did. Right. You know, that because then it looks manufactured. Right. You know what I mean? Because I don't think it'd be that fired up, but at the same time, whatever, whatever the motivation job is, I think that, right, I think that that's being reinforced this week, because Sneed also did say that, that they're, you know, they are taking this game very seriously. Like they don't look at it differently. And that's ultimately, I think how this season is going to be judged because if that's actually the case and they play that way all season, I don't see anybody being able to beat them. I see an unbeaten team going into playoff at the end of the year. If they're able to sustain and do that throughout the course of the year. Night. Hey, Irish breakdown listeners. It's Urban Meyer. This fall, the game changes. Join me. Heisman Trophy winner Mark Ingram and broadcaster Rob Stone as we bring you a new perspective on football and culture every week. We will be joined by the biggest name in sports and talk about everything inside and outside of the lines. Let us guide you through a new era of college football. Watch triple option on YouTube or listen on Apple podcast, Spotify, or wherever you get podcasts. Your name is favored by 28 and a half points this weekend against Northern Illinois, scale on one to 10. Once you're confidence, they cover that number. I guess six and a half, seven, because when it's that high, you're going, I mean, they should win by that much. Yeah, exactly. Because you just never know how the end of the game is going to shake out because Notre Dame's going to have some backups in Northern Illinois might have some backups in, you know, how long does Northern Illinois keep their starters in against Notre Dame's backups? Like, I, you just don't know how that's going to go. You know what I mean? And so I don't, I wouldn't touch that line, even though I think they should win by that much, if not more, but those big numbers, man, it just gets a little bit scary. And no offense wasn't exactly firing on all cylinders last week. So, you know, if that was the case, if I've seen them put up, you know, some major yards and points and things like that, I'd be a little bit more apt to it. But final, look, I'm a 10 that they're going to win, but, you know, to win by that much, I'm like a six and a half or seven. Yeah, I think I'm a seven, seven and a half for the reasons that you talked about. Like you said, the offensive wasn't firing on all cylinders, but at the same time, they weren't playing Western Illinois. I get it. You're playing Texas. You're right. But, but again, I need to see what this looks like against a team like this before. Before I'm willing to be fully confident that they're going to cover these kind of because they were big, they were big favorites a lot of times last year, the last two years, basically. And they haven't come anywhere close. You know, we thought that they were going to take it to the next level and get some of these teams that were supposed to be pretty bad, but it hasn't happened. So confidence is more than that seven range. You know, I will say this in, you know, last year, they took care of business against the crappy teams, right? 42 to three against Navy, 56 to three against Tennessee State, 45, 24 against NC State, even though that was supposed to be a tough game, Central Michigan. They won 41 17, let's see what's Oh, and pit, they won 58 to seven. So I mean, they were better last year, 45 to seven against Wake Forest and 56 to 23 against Stanford. All right. I'll push mine up to an eight. My conference isn't eight. I'm trying to convince myself, I think at this point, but like if we're just looking at last year, I think they do take care of business against teams that they should. So I'll up mine to like a seven and a half eight. Yeah. I mean, obviously that was, that was the knock on last year's team, right? They more than took care of the teams that they should, but against the better teams couldn't get over that hump, you know, you couldn't be better. Fill in the blank. Like that Irish special teams coordinator, Marty Biage says the way James Rindell, planted against Texas A&M was part of the game plan. Do you want me to read the quote? Sure. Okay. Read the quote. So he said, quote, there was a lot of game plan into it. We always want to make sure in that kind of environment, first game, what he felt like for sure was what he was comfortable with. That's a good, that's the good part. He's so diverse, but even in the game, we made a couple of different calls or checks that we hadn't necessarily practiced because of some of the different things they were doing. He did a great job being able to adjust really can put the ball anywhere on the field, which is an asset. End quote from Marty Biage. It's hogwash. I'm going back to the word I used earlier in the show because look, the end result was, you know, like almost 43 yards average on the five punts. Okay. That's okay. When you find drives, you're literally out kicking your coverage. You're not allowing them to get down the field. And so you look, a 10 yard return on a punch too much. That's too much. If he is who he's being advertised as, and I think he probably is, but in this game, he wasn't. He's supposed to be the 5.0, you know, 55 yard kick guy that by the time the ball comes down, he's surrounded by a bunch of Notre Dame guys and forcing a fair catch, you know, it didn't look like that. It looked a little too nonchalant for my taste and a little too lime drivy for my taste. I would agree with both of those. I don't know if the nonchalant, the line drivy. I just feel like if I'm like, you know, reading what Biage says, they were very safe. They were playing it safe out there in that environment, kind of like they were playing it safe with the offensive line. They didn't want a guy in, you know, a big environment like that. The first real big environment that he's ever been in, because remember again, he said the biggest crowd that he'd ever been in front of before that when he was, you know, Australia was when he was playing in, you know, like some 17 U national championship, like 20,000. So the crowd was five times bigger than he's ever been in front of and just everything. You don't want some crazy special teams play to be the difference in a win or a loss. So I can see them, you know, kind of playing it safe with a guy who's never been in that kind of pressure pack situation before, but line drives aren't playing it safe. That allows them to return. No, I agree. You know what I mean? One part like the coverage, because what was one of the things they needed to get better at compared to last year, the punt coverage, not letting them have those extra yard stuff like that. No, he didn't shake it out of bounds or anything like that. And so, okay, cool. That's great. It was, no, it was, it was an average shouting. Like, I'm not mad about it. I was just expecting more. So, you know, let's see what he can do at home, you know, this week, and maybe I'll change my tune. You want to see big booming punts this weekend, Notre Dame, but I mean, they might not have to punt. Who knows? Well, that's fair too. I mean, look, I'm not expecting him to look like a traditional punter, you know, because he's never done it before. I'm just expecting to, you know, what we've been told that he does. That's what I'm expecting. You know, supposedly he was booming him during pregame, 70 yard kicks, you know, all this other stuff. Well, didn't translate. Eric, I tend to agree with you. He says he's never punted in college football. He wasn't sure of the full throttle timing. He was rushing punts. I could tell. And I did. That's why I said, like those first couple especially, it felt like maybe like he was feeling pressure on, you know, like in terms of the rush on him that wasn't there. Like he was, you know, like very conscious of trying to get it out early and they weren't that great as a result. Well, this is going to sound negative and that's kind of my thing, but that and that's so that's okay. But that's, that's on the coaching staff then heat him up in practice. I don't understand why he was so like shaken in a game, but with them coming after him. They heat up the offensive line in practice, but they played it safe with them in terms of what they were doing. So true, but they didn't give him any sacks either. No, but you know, James Rendo didn't, didn't make any negative plays in the punt game. He did not. No, he did not. We're just going to have the, the harshest punter critic all season long in the dairy. I want it. Is what we're going to have. Don't. Promise me. I think we need to bring on the other to Dario who's actually an expert on the subject. You might have to, but don't promise me 5.0 is 50 plus every time. Not deliver. That's all I'm saying. Don't give me the promises. You got to deliver. That's all. That's going to do it for tonight. Vince has got a role. Good stuff. A lot of good questions in the mailbag earlier tonight. Tomorrow is we in, we out day. So don't forget to go to the new champions lounge, submit sure we in, we out questions for tomorrow's show and we'll have some of the latest comments from Marcus Freeman at the start of the show as well from his noon zoom call with the media that is not broadcast to the public. So we'll have some of that on tomorrow's show as well. Vince enjoyed it as always. I will talk to you on Friday. Yes, sir. Ready and waiting. 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