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Guest Host Lou Penrose; Kamala Harris's Interview with CNN

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Sitting in for Jesse Kelly today, good to be with you on a Friday. Thank you for tuning in. So a lot of discussion about Vice President Kamala Harris's appearance on CNN last night and everybody is sorting through what she said and how she said it and if she changed her ways or changed her mind or changed her values or changed her positions and all of that. And I'll leave that to the CNN folks. What is going on beside that I think is a much bigger story. I really do. The one thing that Americans cannot stand in politics is a phony. So you may have heard that Vice President Kamala Harris claims that when she was a student, she worked at McDonald's. She's talked about it a lot. It's on or was on her campaign website. It's on her bio. She's been talking about how she worked at McDonald's and it was a summer. Well, she's never clear. You can never get a straight answer from these people. But she drops it as a way to paint a picture of a humble background just like you at a work during college, McDonald's, flipping hamburgers, right? Well some people have been trying to find the McDonald's and find people that worked with her and maybe find the manager at the time. That would not be a bad idea just to kind of find out a little bit more about her. We don't know anything about her. We don't know where she stands on any issues. She does not have a record of being this fierce prosecutor that she talks about. And as senator, she did nothing. And as Vice President, she did nothing. And now she's the Democrat nominee for president of the United States. And all we know is what she says. And when you press on what she says, she seems to get upset. So as of today, this just happened because people have been asking about the McDonald's story. Wait, did you work your way through college at Howard working at McDonald's? Did you? Oh, you supplemented? Yeah. Okay. You worked and helped pay some, no, then she said it was a summer job. And there's no mention of McDonald's on her DA application. She never mentioned it before she started running for president only because she mentions it a lot. It's not in any of her two memoirs and it wasn't on her bio. So people have been asking about it. And now as of today, are you ready for this? The Kamala Harris campaign has stopped referencing her job at McDonald's. They won't respond to any more media questions about the location of the McDonald's store or the dates of employment. They've taken it off the campaign website. Her pack has taken off references to working at McDonald's. Her campaign pack that stands for political action committee. That's a separate checking account to raise money for the campaign. They used to have on there that, quote, Vice President Harris is the daughter of a hard working mother and worked at McDonald's to put herself through college. That has now been removed from the Harris for president pack website. According to Politico, she said that she worked at McDonald's to help pay her way through college. So help pay the way through college is different than put herself through college on the McDonald's salary. And on the campaign trail, she referenced that she took the McDonald's job as, quote, a summer job just to earn a bit more spending money before her first job, like after graduation. So there's three different McDonald's stories. One, she used McDonald's to pay for the entire tuition and room and board. And then to help defer college expenses. And then the third story, she took the summer job at McDonald's after graduating college. But then she didn't put that as her last place of employment on the application to the district attorney's office in San Francisco, which for security purposes, purposes you have to do. Like you have to reference your last employment, even if it was just McDonald's. Here she is. This is at a campaign rally in California, where she's rallying for minimum wage increases. I worked at McDonald's. I was a student when I was working at McDonald's. There was not a family relying on me to pay the rent. Yeah. So there it is. I was a student while working at McDonald's, which violates at least one of the three stories from the three different websites. Because one says she took it as a summer job after college. Here she is on the Drew Barrymore show. I did fries. I did fries. And then I did the cashier. And Kamala didn't even start talking about cooking fries until she decided to run for president. Yeah. So I remember when I heard that. I thought like, you know, like when your ears go up for a second, figuratively, anyway, like you notice something and it just kind of tucks into the back of your mind. I heard her say that. And I remember at the time, that doesn't sound right to me. And I'll explain. Hit it again. I did fries. I did fries. And then I did the cashier. So apparently unlike vice president, Kamala Harris, I actually did work in fast food. Now I did not work at McDonald's. I worked at Burger King, but we both serve fries. Now I don't know how they do it at McDonald's. And if you worked at McDonald's or work at McDonald's, I'm going to tap you for some nomenclature direction here. But I can tell you this at Burger King, nobody works fries. And I remember hearing her say that it just stuck out of my head. So I got in my head, I did fries. I did fries. Like that's not the way it works at Burger King. You do whoppers or you do burgers or you do what we call specialty sandwiches. That's all the things that they are constantly coming up with the chicken sandwiches and the Italian chicken sandwich and the Asian chicken sandwich, right? That's called specialty sandwiches. But effectively, that's all there is at Burger King is hamburgers, cheeseburgers, whoppers and whoppers were cheesed. The whopper junior is just a hamburger made up like a whopper. Now you know all the secrets. That's right. There's only two size hamburgers and then all the specialty stuff. Then the fries are just on their own. Like there isn't a person that stands there and watches French fries cook in oil, they be nothing to do. The way it works is you take the fries are frozen. You take a five pound bag of fries, you drop them in this thing called a fried basket, which is a rectangular basket. And then you press a button on a computer, it automatically lowers into the hot oil. And then when the timer is that beeping you here at McDonald's and Burger King, that's the fries. The fries automatically come up like almost like a little elevator out of the fry fryer. And then, you know, when somebody has a minute, they grab the basket and they dump it in that great big half circle bin of French fries and fries are scooped up to order. So when somebody orders a hamburger and fries, the hamburger is prepared and then you go and you scoop the fries and you put it in the bag and you have a nice day. So there was nobody that does fries. That's why it's so strange. I did fries. You know, nobody does fries. So now it's becoming clearer and clearer that she is phony baloney. It's, it's, this is, this could be the, this could be the thing that does her in. It may, whether they're lying about being the borders are or lying about this or lying about that. She may be able to get away with on CNN with Denovash, but Americans don't like a phony and it's becoming clearer and clearer because so many of us have worked in that industry. And we don't like it. Eight, seven, seven, three, seven, 43, 73 is the telephone number. If you've worked at McDonald's and can confirm for me that nobody actually does fries for their shift, I'd like to hear from you. Eight, seven, seven, three, seven, 43, 73, Lou Penrose sitting in for Jesse Kelly on the Jesse Kelly show, the Jesse Kelly show. Penrose sitting in for Jesse eight, seven, seven, three, seven, seven, 43, 73. Good to have you along with us. A poll out shows that 53% of Americans believe Kamala Harris is insincere that she's placating to the public and merely telling folks what they want to hear. Uh, two thirds believe that she does not believe what she actually says. That incredible. It's getting a lot of heat over this McDonald's thing. And this is the kind of thing in politics that will sink the ship. You can get all the way with a lot of whoppers to use a Burger King term, but Americans don't like a phony. And now it turns out that there's zero evidence reporters are just on top of her when did you work at McDonald's? Which McDonald's did you work at? Who was your manager? What are the dates? So the I did fries thing is really causing a lot of problems for Kamala Harris. Hey, seven, seven, three, seven, seven, 43, 73. Let's go to your calls. John is in Denver. John. John, the Jesse Kelly show. Hello, yes, sir. Yeah, I'm not in Denver. I'm in Florida. You want the John from Florida or Denver? I want the John in Denver because, hang on. You know what? Let's put bolt johns on. Let's go to Stacy in New Jersey. Stacy, you're on the Jesse Kelly show. Stacy used to work at McDonald's. So this is perfect. I worked at McDonald's in 1976 and there was, it was a really very busy McDonald's and there was a fry station. And I know because I had tons of fry burns and you would just be dumping the fries and keeping them up. Okay, so you're telling me that the fries, the fries station could have been a job that Kamala Harris did if she was at a very busy McDonald's. Everyday you walked in, you were assigned a different station and you could be a shake station, a fried station, the lobby, the cashier, the fish fillets, the burgers because it was so busy that you had to keep tons of fries in small and large, but we was up on the thing so people could just, the cashier could just grab them when they were making filling the orders. Stacy, what city was this in? What city was this? Was this in? This was in Hackensack, New Jersey. All right, Stacy, I appreciate the call. All right, we're piecing together here a story because the Harris people won't take any more questions about McDonald's. They refuse. They have, what's the phrase they're using here? The campaign has stopped referencing the alleged job at McDonald's, won't respond to media questions about the location of the McDonald's that she worked at, nor will they respond to the dates of her employment at McDonald's. McDonald's does not appear in either of her two memoirs or on her bio as attorney general, but she has started talking about McDonald's since the campaign. She said that the campaign references her humble background. Her daughter was a cancer researcher and her father was a tenured professor at Stanford, and she references a humbled background. Vice President Harris is a daughter of a working mother and worked at McDonald's to put herself through college, according to the campaign. That's been scrubbed. And then in August, she told Politico that she worked at McDonald's to pay her way through college. And then AIDS have changed that to say that she really took a summer job after college. 8, 7, 7, 3, 7, 7, 43, 73 as we try and piece this all together. Let's go to Susan in Michigan. Susan, you're on the Jesse Kelly show. Hi, I really hate to agree with Stacy, but I also worked at McDonald's. It was a corporate store. Some of them were franchises, but I worked at several actually stores in the Ann Arbor clean Michigan area when I think I was 15 or 16 years old. So anyway, I worked there for about four years, different restaurants, worked my way up, but there definitely was at all the stores that I worked at, Shake station, Fry station. I mean, we were busy, and so I really don't want to call in and say you're wrong, but it really was a thing. Susan, I appreciate the call and no, I do. What do you make of, all right, well, let me just ask you, do you believe she worked at McDonald's? She's not copping to which McDonald's and the dates of the McDonald's 8, 7, 7, 3, 7, 43, 73. Well, look, this is all good intel. I am here to tell you that there is no fry person at Burger King and our fries are hot. So I guess we just multitask a lot better at the home of the Whopper. Now I've got to go inside, I can't imagine, I can't remember the last time I walked inside a McDonald's. I'm always due drive to. 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But now I've got to look because you're right, the fries are on the cashier side of the equation. At least that's where they are at Burger King and so the person taking the order at the cash register is usually the one that turns around, scoops up the small fry, grabs the whopper with cheese or the Big Mac, puts it in the bag and boom, you're out the door. So I never seen a fry person at McDonald's, I've never seen a fry person and I know there is no fry person at a Burger King and we were busy. We were a busy Burger King. For those of you listening on WOR in New York, I worked at the Burger King on Long Island and you go to a Burger King on Long Island on a hot summer Saturday and let me tell you, drive-through was wrapped around and the lobby was filled with people. It was a busy Burger King and there was nobody. The person that did the fries was the same person making your hamburger or your whopper with cheese and the fries were hot. Luke Benrose sitting here for Jesse Kelly on the Jesse Kelly show. And then I did the cash here and Kamala didn't even start talking about cooking fries until she decided to run for president. There was no mention of McDonald's on both of her memoirs and so far all reporters looking into it have found no evidence. The Jesse Kelly show, Luke Benrose sitting in for Jesse Kelly, 8773773. If you want to get in on this, the McDonald's story is the one that's going to cause her problems if this isn't 100% accurate because Americans don't like a phony. The Kamala Harris campaign has stopped referring to her job at McDonald's, won't respond to media questions about the location of the store and the dates of her employment. The McDonald's story is a new one. It didn't come up in her two memoirs and was never on any application. 8773774373, I just think it's fascinating. The kinds of things that the kinds of the lie that actually trips up a politician, right? She probably thought she could get away with saying anything. And while she has told some whoppers, this one, because that's interesting. I don't know that we've had a presidential candidate that ever works service work, like fast food. So that's a unique story. So why wouldn't a human interest story reporter follow up and find her coworkers at the McDonald's and no one can find any evidence of it? All right. Let's go to, let's go to Paul in Oregon. Paul, you're on the Jesse Kelly show. Yes. Hi there. Hey. Two things. I'm an old guy. I started with McDonald's when I was in high school in the 1960s. And at that time, it was, we had to make our own prize, we became a station. But then in the 1970s, McDonald's went to the automated system that you describe at the whopper, so they didn't have any station. But more important is I think we're missing a bigger picture. I had to work my way through college, and I tried to do it by working at McDonald's, but they paid minimum wage, and you can only work 20 or maybe 30 hours because they didn't want to pay benefits. You can't survive at McDonald's to pay for school, especially California tuition. So I really question if you even work there at all to support yourself. Yeah, Paul, I appreciate the call. You bring up a good point. Vice President, here's the, this is from the campaign website. It's now been scrubbed. Vice President Harris is the daughter of a working mother and worked at a McDonald's to put herself through college. That's an embellishment, I think. I think Paul's on to something. Right. I remember that. They wouldn't skid. You didn't work an eight hour day. I mean, you would work a couple of hours. You couldn't work 40 hours a week if you were a student. You would work the dinner shift or the lunch shift depending on your college classes, and then they would put you on an eight hour shift on a weekend. So this, yeah, there's no way she put herself through college. So that's a little bit of an embellishment, but then they changed it and they said that she helped pay for her college expenses, but then they found another video where she said that she took it as a summer job. So there's no way you could just work two months in the summer and pay for college. Good. Good call there, Paul, eight, seven, seven, three, seven, 43, 73. You're not the first or the second or the third person whose mind was blown when I told everybody that a Whopper Jr. is just a hamburger. Why is that? Was that such a mind blowing revelation? I don't want to give it away. I know it's magical to go to these stores and look at that menu and say, wow, look at all those choices, but they're all just variations on the same one or two things back there. Yeah. A Whopper Jr. is just a hamburger. It's not like a separate thing. It's a hamburger and then they dress it like they would a Whopper. And it's that's it. No, Hocus Pocus whatsoever. Robert is in Virginia. Robert, you're on the Jesse Kelly show and I was the fry guy at Burger King and the reason you had a stand at the station to keep the fries going was that you were also responsible for the chicken sandwiches and the fish sandwiches. So we had a man post at the price station, talking to all my buddies who worked at McDonald's, they would say, well, the price station was always set up next to the drive-through window and the bagger for the window watched the fry machine, which also faced the sandwich station. So the assistant sandwich maker and the bagger for the window would watch over the price station. And that was between Burger King and McDonald's as far as work in the price. So I did the summer of 88 when I was in high school and I figured she's a couple years older than me. So, you know, if she worked at McDonald's, maybe she was a bagger who watched the fries, not defending her, but that's how it was in the 80s when I worked Burger King and would hang out with my friends for McDonald's. All right, Robert, I appreciate the call. You may be onto something. We may be on the cusp of a technological breakthrough, because you're right. When I worked at Burger King, the fries automatically went down. As did the chicken, by the way, another little secret, the hash browns go in the same oil that your chicken sandwiches go in, as do your fish filet. Yeah, it's not complicated back there. And nevertheless, right, before the technology allowed the computer to drop the fries on their own and the timer would lift the fries out, maybe she worked at an antiquated McDonald's. That would be an interesting twist. If she worked for, yes, why did they take it off the website then? Why won't they answer any more questions about it? And why is asking about this story some kind of a right-wing attempt to throw her off the project? That's what I love. It's not enough that they took it off the website and are no longer referring to it. They're mad at media for insisting on asking questions about the location of the McDonald's. Yeah, right. Why do they no longer want to talk about it? That's all I want to talk about now. 877-3777-4373, let us go to... is it, um, pat in Washington. Pat, you're on the Jesse Kelly show. Oh, I think it's her commoner attempt at stolen valor, like her vice president. She's trained to endear herself to the commoners that had to work at McDonald's to get herself through school. Yeah, Pat, I appreciate the call. I think that's exactly right. And that is the unkindest cut of all. Like that's phony baloney. Nobody likes that. And if you get that stink on you, there's no way of you washing it off. There's nothing worse than a phony. And it can be this simple. But you're right. 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EV tax credits and take advantage of current offers going on now. You worked with the public. You had to work fast. Your boss was probably an ogre or he was the most inspiring person you've ever met. And your friends probably made fun of you. But you got a real sense of how to work with the public and a tremendous sense of responsibility. And at the time, I was making more money than my mother. I was making pretty good money. I mean, I don't know what minimum wage was then but I remember my paychecks were like $172 every two weeks and $172 to like a high school kid in the 80s. That was decent money. I bought my own Atari games. I didn't have to wait for Christmas, I didn't have to wait for my birthday. I just took my money and went down to the store and bought the latest Pac-Man or Asteroids with my own money and it was mine. Thank you Burger King. Lou Penrose, sitting in for Jesse Kelly on the Jesse Kelly show, the Jesse Kelly show. Lou Penrose, sitting in for Jesse Kelly, good to be with you on a Friday as we head into a holiday weekend. I am looking forward to this one. It's been a long time. It feels like it's been quite a while. August is the only month out of the year where there isn't at least one three-day weekend within the month. We're overdue. 877-377-4373 talking about Kamala Harris's campaign, they have scrubbed from the campaign website, references to her job at McDonald's because a lot of reporters are asking questions like where was the McDonald's and when did you work at McDonald's because there's some confusion? Did you work throughout your four years of university or just in the summer? We're all interested, inquiring minds want to know. Let's go to Chuck in Wisconsin. Chuck, you're on the Jesse Kelly show. Yes, I worked at McDonald's for a little over two years and yes, there is definitely a price station and I did work at it but the thing about McDonald's is and the reason I doubt that she worked there, is all the employees are trained at all the different positions working until cooking behind the grill, cleaning the dining area. I guess you name it, it's McDonald's. People calling sick, there's no shows, so there's a need for you to know every job, not just one cooking french fries and I also kind of find it unusual that there's not one former employee or manager that has gone public and said yes, I remember her, I worked with her. She was a very nice person, so I don't think she worked at McDonald's. Chuck, I appreciate the call. I agree with you. It's funny when I thought about talking about this today and this was before the news came out that the campaign was no longer referencing and no longer taking media questions about the location of the store and the dates and when I heard that, I'm like, oh, we're definitely talking about this. We're absolutely talking about this because that means she's a phony. But before I had heard that update, I reached out on Facebook to a former coworker of mine at Burger King. Like, I believe it or not, I am still at least Facebook friends. I mean, not like we're best friends, we go out to dinner all the time, but I know people to this day and it trusts me. If I was running for president of the United States, you'd be able to find people that -- many people that worked with me at Burger King. And so I'm beginning to think that she didn't work there very long, which that is an embellishment I think that she could probably get away with, like, wait, wait, wait, because what do you mean, you only work fries, that's the only -- you never, ever, ever put together a big Mac, not once, yet, the McDonald's career funded your college education, that seems unlikely. And if she's never gotten past fries, I don't know that she's really capable of learning how to be president of the United States. So there's a couple of pieces missing from the story. Jim is in Pennsylvania, Jim, you're on the Jesse Kelly show. Hey, man, what's up? How you doing? Hey, I got a pretty serious conspiracy theory. I love it. Here's a movie from the '80s called Coming to America, where Louis Anderson is washing lettuce, and his goal was to move up the fries. So guys, stop checking with McDonald's and they call McDowell's. Call McDowell's on Queens Boulevard, Jim, I appreciate the call, I love it. Yes, McDowell's. That's where you start with rinsing the lettuce and you move up the fries. She jumped right over. If she worked at McDowell's, she would have at least accomplished the lettuce rinsing and moved up the fries, like Louis Anderson. There you go. Oh, my goodness. See? Well-traveled audience on the Jesse Kelly show, 8773773, we will continue to follow this down because I just, I think that this campaign clearly now has parked its car in a parking spot of problems. They have believability problems because this isn't the first time, the second time, or the third time that Vice President Harris and now, her running mate, Tim Waltz, have had problems explaining what they meant accurately. What did he say about carrying weapons in war? He said that his wife told him that he uses grammar incorrectly? What does that mean? So that's a problem and it's not going to go away just because you demand that the press stop asking that question and the governor of Minnesota's got a lot of problems with respect to accuracy and dates and I suspect if Kamala Harris is fast and loose with the truth about, you know, the McDonald's thing, then there's probably a lot more that she's not getting, that she's not being straight about. And as I said, at the end of the day, Americans loathe a phony and that's what it's starting to sound like, at least with respect to the McDonald's story. I'm sure there's a lot more that goes into, well, look, I mean, look at the way the camp, what was the campaign website characterization that she was raised by a single mom? Yeah, Vice President Harris, daughter of a working mother, right. She was a college professor and a cancer researcher at a major university and her father was a tenured professor at Stanford. I mean, these are, they work, these are working people, no question about it. Being a professor is certainly not a nothing job, but you're not broke. That's for sure. My son is a sophomore in high school and so I've peaked at what tuition is at Stanford. So I can only imagine if her father was a tenured professor at Stanford in the Department of Economics. I mean, he was a Marxist at that, but nevertheless, he's still a professor. He was pulling down some decent change and with two working professors at major universities, she probably did not need to work at McDonald's. So I'm thinking that she may have just thrown that in there just for the little bit of fun. What do you know about that? All right, good stuff. We got more to get to as we continue along on the Jesse Kelly show, Lou Penrose, sitting in for Jesse Kelly. He needs Ryan Seacrest here. Everybody needs some variety in life. That's what I love about Chumba Casino. They know how to keep things fresh and exciting. All their games are free to play like spin slots, bingo and solitaire. 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