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Bava Batra daf 76

Bava Batra daf 76 by Rabbi Joey Soffer

Duration:
34m
Broadcast on:
09 Sep 2024
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Barquette of Good morning everybody, today is September 9th. Taf, Ayin, Vav and Babatra, we stopped on INA somewhere. Itbar. Ten lines to the bottom of the page of Ayin Ham would bet itbar sefina back to the Mishnah. Right, we stopped it, this whole critic. If you remember "amu keruta sefina," that's what we started. Yeah. Hey Rich. Shima Hoth and Shalah habiri. Okay. Okay. So here we go. Itbar, Ayin Ham would bet ten lines to the bottom of the page. First we're line itbar. Sefina, vav, amar ke vancha mashah, koshuhu kana. Shima, vav, amar ke vancha mashah, koshuhu kana. So the question now is I'm making a Mishnah on the boat that I'm acquiring. How much do I need to move this boat to be considered a valid Mishnah? According to Rav, Amashul, you moved it out of the spot at once, koshuhu mashahu o todavar. Right? I pulled it a little bit. I'm done. So you need to move it out of the place where it's fully resting, which means I have to move it at least the length of the boat itself, to be able to be every part of the boat resting in a new location. Okay? Again. So tan, itbar, shima, vav, amar ke vancha mashah, koshuhu kana, shima, amar lo kana, ashim, shosh, et qulah, et the move the entire boat. So everything, however long the boat is, that's the distance you need to pull the boat. Okay? So if I want to make a transfer of a large animal, let's say, right, and I'm selling it. So I'm going to do miseda, which is just hand-off, hand-off, kinyan of hand-off, how does that work? I'm going to do it. So I'm going to do it. Okay?, so I'm going to do it. And then I'm going to do it, and I'm going to do it again and I'm going to do it again. So I'm going to do it again, and I'm going to do it again. So I'm going to do it again, and I'm going to do it again, and I'm going to do it again. Okay, so I'm going to do it again, and I'm going to do it again, and I'm going to do it again, and I'm going to do it again, and I'm going to do it again, and I'm going to do it again. So I'm going to do it again, and I'm going to do it again, and I'm going to do it again, and I'm going to do it again. didn't really move yet right you lifted up one leg and left the back leg but it still didn't go anywhere the other two feet are still where there was before. So therefore the back of the the body of the animal hasn't really moved yet right Avalsefina kivad den nada ba purta na dala kula the boat right once I pulled it a dot so every part of the boat is actually not where that part was prior and that's enough so maybe he agrees with me the animal's different. well you know I'm not I'm gonna I feel like a tena kama I could be even like tena kama where I have to say by the boat the whole thing has to go out of the location of where it was before and and by the animal oh yada nego is still enough. Why? Adkan lo kama tena kama el meba ala haim that you require to move the front of the the front leg in the back leg right the keba an demi kara yada vegiel idar le me haqir kaima. Once the animal lifted the front leg and the back leg it must it will automatically take that next step and move the other and move the rest of it. It's already in motion and therefore it's going to take the next and finish it's going to move anyway but the boat imashik la kula in illah la the boat's not out of its place the animal will be fully out of its place the minute it took the first step that first front leg back leg the other one's following right away and the animal is going to be and therefore it's enough according by the animal but that does not true by the boat and therefore it's not same a haqir. Okay fine. Le makihani tanay so we say they're like the following a haqir, the tanay. Sefinaan ikid be mishikhaa, de bina tarn omer sefina ve otiyot nik not be mishikhaa. Tanakama says you can acquire a boat through pulling mishikhaa, de bina tarn says you could acquire boat and documents with mishikhaa. When I said I'm sorry otiyot nik not be mishikhaa u mishtaa. Otiyot the the documents in it both you can open it maybe mishikhaa and star. Okay look at the that I've been on the parade before otiyot the leishish moment page. Otiyot star hog shimokro on not know the habirok, they like not at a star but the hog shikatubo. So one way I'm going to now transfer the lean basically of this loan documents to someone else I'm selling the debt. So it says be mishikhaa u bishtaa, says that as well as the star on the top. In katab los star mechira aus taro talalu, kid ama le kaman, kani lak hu ve choshibuden. If you wrote him a star for the star ot, that's how you can transfer this lean. ava be mishira be lo star lo kani. Just handing the star to someone else and say hey pay me I'm gonna give you this loan document you could collect the loan that he doesn't acquire the debt. You need a star to transfer the lean in this document to the new person that you need to start for. About mishira be lo star lo kani ela natsura pichli hotokilakaman. If you did that type of a transaction where you just gave the guy gave you money and you gave him the star only acquired was the paper of the star he didn't acquire the lean in the star. You need to document for that. Mishimaki beistar ahaaar aa ila ve okay kaman me paddi kotobata fa. But actually so they again like what we have over here is we're trying to set up a provincial world like the tanakama and the binataa. Right? The binataa kaman says ifinaa you could acquire with mishiraa and the binataa says a boat and documents right you can acquire with mishira and a star that's what we're saying so far. When I says aotyot shtarot, man de hashmai. Why is it been a time throwing document purchases into this conversation? We're talking about a boat. Man says you're right he's sur a mexida, the binataa and missing a little piece and this is what it means. Sifinaa tanakama says Sifinaa neglect be mishiraa ve aotyot be mishiraa. So you can acquire a boat with mishiraa and you can acquire documents just by handing them over to the purchaser. Sifinaa ve aotyot niknot be mishiraa o bishtaa. Right? The binataa responds that a boat and the documents need mishira and a star. The mana says starless Sifinaa lama leave it totally. What do I need a star for the boat? It's mitaltoline. You already a star for mitaltoline. Ella, la vahakikitane. Isn't this what they're arguing about? Sifinaa niknit be mishiraa ve aotyot be mishiraa. The binataa no mishifina be mishiraa ve aotyot be shtar. Period. That's the badataa. All that was the fix the badataa. To get to the point where we now have a clear makhloket. The binataa, I'm sorry, Tanakamaa first says that the boat is acquired in mishiraa and if you want to sell your loan document or it's enough if you just hand over the star and it be nataa disagrees and says no. The Sifinaa is mishiraa like you said but the documents need a star. Good. Mana says Sifinaa be mishiraa hannu tannakama. They both agree that the boat needs mishiraa and therefore what do we do all this for? Ella, la vahakikitane. Are they arguing on the type of mishira that it requires? La wannupinyurav says you need only to move a coastal and Sifinaa says need to move with the full boat fully out of its location otherwise there's no makhloket. What are they arguing about? Why are they both saying? Sifinaa is where? Yeah and therefore here this is makhloketana eem. Ravi Chmoor is a makhloketana eem of Tanakamaa binataa. But I says no. They call it alma ikirah ikishmoor. I could say Tanakamaa can be like rab and smooral and binataa can be like rab and smooral. We don't know what either one is saying. They could both be like either rab or smooral and the only makhloket is really only about about what we call it. But we don't even know where the Tanakamaa doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's not a makhloketana eem anymore. It could be that it could be not arguing. Tanakamaa binataa and Tanakamaa are not arguing. They both are holding like rab or they're both holding like rab and what are they arguing about? Let me see that on the documents and therefore you can't tell me. And then they miss you far? Which ones to miss you far they're not arguing on? No they could be they both agree that it's either rab's system or they both agree it's more system and the only makhloketanaa and binataa is about the documents. You have no proof that the binataa and Tanakamaa are arguing the same makhloketanaa much more. I have no idea. And therefore as you can't say that. Okay and therefore we don't have a makhloketanaa eem. Over here at least we don't have proof that it's makhloketanaa eem. Ela, ela, kula, alma, ikirav, ikishmo, Tanakamaaa and the binataaa could be either rab or smooral. Upis vina, kula, alma, loplegi. They're not arguing on what that you need mishikhaa. And they're not arguing on the type of michika either. Keep leggy, no tiyot. Vahikah amar, this is what the bahrata says. Hahikah amar libinatan de tannakamah, besvinah, vadai modinala. Vahotiyot, yikashtar, in, elolah. Good? Fine. And now we don't have proof that mahlokitana in between ravage will not amahlokitana in, but what we're going to do is try to make libinatan and tannakamah the same as another mahlokitana in. So we don't consider a star of tahlokit? The star is not the tahlokit, ever. Why are you talking about tahlokit? Because that's the only reason it would be this mahlokit, right? What are we considering in the star? No. Oh, that kind of star? Yeah, yeah. No, that's a shibudkaka. The star is a shibudkaka. That's what it is. Right? And therefore, to transfer that shibud, you need a star. The paper is mahtahli, which you can acquire with just misea. That's what I say. When you sold the guy, the document, and you just give him cash, and you're going to give him a star for the document when you sold him as the cloth. That's it. That's mahtahli. The lean inside that unit transfer, that with just a handing off, you want to transfer the lean, you have to do the shibudkaka. Yes, correct. That would be our time. Correct. And we're going to see. Yes, tahlokit, I'm going to bring that point out right now. This mahlokit, tahlokit, I'm going to bring that point out right now. This mahlokit, tahlokit, I'm going to bring it out right now. This mahlokit, tahlokit, I'm going to bring it out right now. It's in the same mahlokit as the following. The tahlokit, tahlokit, I'm going to bring it out right now. [speaking in foreign language] Okay? Okay, according to the bee, I can hand off the document to you. You give me cash, you now own the lean in that document. That's the bee's opinion. [speaking in foreign language] No, even if you wrote a star for the lean that's in the star that you're selling, but you didn't give the guy that you didn't give him the star that you wrote. Lomasar. Or Masar, you handed over the document, the original lean document. You didn't give him a little document for it. Lokana, agir tov, veemso. It's two stages to acquire the lean. You have to write the lean, which are now really giving him two documents. The original loan document attached a sale document for this loan document. Now he can acquire the loan. Okay, be my ukimtah. How did you set up this case? Can the bee, right? So you're telling me now, time out, that tahlokimah is the bee, right? We just set up tahlokimah, it'd be not time. As the bee, tahlokimah, tahlokimah said, before, otiyot, bemsoilah. The bee said, otiyot, bemsoilah. The bee said, no, you need a star, tahlokimah, you need a star. So the bee is tahlokimah, it'd be not time, tahlokimah, right? So Masar says, be my ukimtah, I'd kill a bee, right? So you're setting up the case as a bee's opinion. So if it's true or true, then you should say that you should be able to acquire the boat with the misirah. Not a misirah, misirah, right? You can acquire a boat with the misirah. Handing over, so let's say I have the, what do you call it, the rope? Who's the boat guy? What do you call the rope that we used to attach the boat to the side of the boat to the side of the boat? To the side of the boat to the dock, whatever that rope is, I don't know what it is, what they call it, that's the name, I don't know, but if I take that rope and I hand it over to the guy, according to tahlokimah, you could acquire the boat that way. Misirah, the anchor is the anchor is the one you drop in the water, the one they tie to the boat, I don't know what they call it, whatever they call it, but whatever that is, I give him a misirah, here you go. Here's the thing, my boat standing on the dock, he gives me the money and I hand them the string attached to the boat. That would be misirah, according to tahlokimah, and according to the bee, that works. You need to pull the boat in the water to make a misirah, or you rented the place where the boat is standing. Let's say it's on the dock, it's on the ground, oh, I expect to see you, but say that, okay, bro, I'll keep my button, okay, so, and I should buy them for a minute, okay, I should buy them on the bottom. They might, ukim tahlokimah, like I explained before, there will be nah tahlokim, tahlokimah, there will be nah tahlokimah, I mean like the bee, right? If that's true, then sfinaa namitiknibimisirah, tahlokimah says, before we said, we said that you can acquire the boat by misirah, how come misirah and not misirah, if tahlokimah is likely to be, the bee says you can acquire the boat even with misirah, clearly, so the boat, tahlokimah should say, or sfinaa niknibbimisirah, because that's what the bee's opinion is, you told me he's likely to be, right? One second, is there a statement of the bee, sfinaa namitiknibbimisirah, was that a question? Odd pam, if we might ukim tahlokimah, tahlokimah is the bee, if tahlokimah is the bee, then tahlokimah should say, sfinaa namitiknibbimisirah, before tahlokimah said that the boat is niknibbimisirah, didn't say it even with misirah. So if tahlokimah is the bee, then when he said before that the boat is niknibbimisirah, it should say, sfinaa niknibbimisirah, didn't say it even with misirah, did it even with misirah, did it even with the bee? Yeah, the next line says, we have a bada, then the bee says you could acquire a boat, but misirah, so if tahlokimah is the bee, then when he said before that the boat is niknibbimisirah, it should say, sfinaa namitiknibbimisirah, right? Did we hold that would it be nahtan, or we just held the misirah, would it be nahtan? When we tried to make it be nahtanakama, we made, before we said that the bee is tahlokimah, and the bee nahtan is kachamim, that's where we are right now, kachamim before just told us that the boat needs misirah, right? The miknibbimisirah, right? The miknibbimisirah, kachamimisirah, I'm sorry, the bahtah was about the documents, that you need kitiva or misirah for the documents, they weren't talking about the boat. So what we did was we equated the bee and the tahlokimah together based on the opinions of documents. And kachamim and the bee nahtan, based on the opinions of documents, now that we know who's who, now we're bringing outside bahtah, and challenging your setup of the bee nahtan and the bee nahtan. Because you're telling me over here that he holds that misirah is how you acquire, but if that's the bee, it should be misirah and misirah, because read this bahtah, the bee says you can acquire a boat with misirah. So we're looking for why he left misirah out if tahlokimah is the bee, why leave that misirah? That's what we're looking for. That's what we're looking for. That's what we're looking for. That's what we're looking for. That's what we're looking for. That's what we're looking for. That's what we're looking for. That's what we're looking for. That's what we're looking for. That's what we're looking for. That's what we're looking for. That's what we're looking for. That's what we're looking for. That's what we're looking for. That's what we're looking for. 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