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Welcome to Drinking Bros, presented by GoSpent.com. Sit back, relax it, grab a fucking drink. Yeah, welcome to Drinking Bros, kids. We got a whole lot of America on the show. Today, Anthony, who do we got? We have comedian Sergeant Major Tom Behrens on the show today, retired, obviously. Well, is he, Tommy, retired? It doesn't look like it. You look like Patton back there. Thank you, that's an honor. Just walking around slapping people. You're that dude. You look like that dude, where you're still open-handing slapping people, like just with an open hand in the streets, kind of knocking people around, is that the case? Really myself. What do you think of the state of the country right now, since you got the American flag behind you? Well, this flag, I actually, this blue and skinny Iraq, over our base, I brought it back with us. I did that several times, but I, you know, I feel that there's a lot of patriotism going across the country. I think we're at a turning point, we're kind of in a, I don't know if this is the revolution or not, but the show feels pretty awesome, time to be alive and be witnessing what we're seeing. Yeah, I agree. And that's something I've said here in the last few weeks of this show. It feels like America's back, like it's coming back, we're starting to see through all the bullshit that's out there and kind of changing things, whether that's supporting the businesses we want to support, the films we want to support, the media we want to support, or podcasts. And I do feel like there is a shift. Now in mainstream media, it definitely doesn't feel that way, but in the rest of the world, if you, the rest of America, if you talk to people on a daily basis, it does seem like we're kind of heading back to where we, what we used to be. That's very true. I think even mainstream media has got a little shift here because when this whole thing about Tim Walz broke, I mean, I told them one person, I said, well, I haven't heard from CNN yet. And then the next day I got a call from CNN, and, you know, they've actually been kind of digging into this creep a little bit, you know, making sure things are correct and true. And they're not publishing everything that they should, because they still are pretty left wing, I think, but I mean, they actually have at least reached out to a person in Minnesota media would basically just go silent and just let you sit there. So I mean, nationally, maybe it is chain. Well, somebody from, from Walz administration, his gubernatorial administration is the, is the editor in chief of the Star Tribune there in Minneapolis, I believe, that happened like halfway through his gubernatorial term. Yeah. It's an odd move. It is. I don't know, like David Axelrod, having gone to become the editor in chief of the New York Times in the middle of the Obama administration, I mean, it's very bizarre that that would happen. It is bizarre. And with you, this is personal because, you know, Tim Walz, what's your, what's your genuine thoughts on him potentially being the vice president of the United States? I can't say those words on the air. Sure, you can, you can say what you want to hear, I'm going to fuck Dick Pussy, Taints, ass, like you say anything on this. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, literally, except for the animal. We don't give a shit. That's, that's a thing with him. You know, I mean, it's just amazing that Kamala had the incompetence, even pick him as running mate with his history, but I think she really wanted somebody that was exactly like her. But, you know, he literally, you know, and I think in, when this whole thing gets blown out of the water, we're going to find out as communist ties to China. We're going to be what sinks him. You know, as far as the military goes, I mean, his, his loyalty was put on just disgusting display with what he did back in four and five. And for him to be one step away from commander in chief, I mean, it's just absolutely ridiculous that, that, that he's even in the running here, I mean, that's, it's just, you can't even make it up. Well, you can and they did. They pulled a coup. They got the people they wanted in. And this is it. This is the candidates from their side. I don't know if you heard late last night, they said Kamala is finally going to sit down and do her first interview in 39 days since she was actually chosen or she chose herself. But not without a chaperone. Correct. Just like, I mean, how bad, how bad are you that you have to have that chud sitting next to you just to have a conversation? Is that insane? So Tim Walz is actually going to sit in with Kamala on her first interview ever. It's going to be prerecorded with Dana Bash on CNN and he's going to sit there like a chaperone at prom. It's wild to me. It's very weird. Yeah. But I want to get back to Walz himself. So you mentioned before that the national media is not reporting some of the stuff that they should. What do you mean by that? What stuff are they not reporting? Well, it's kind of like the narrative that's been going on in Minnesota where they'll tell a half truth and not the whole truth or they'll just ignore the story completely. I mean, they interviewed me and they interviewed a couple other soldiers and, you know, they didn't get the word that they wanted to hear out of us, I think. So they just kind of closed down after Jesse Ventura was on there and made comments about the National Guard, you know, was supposed to only be guarding the nation on a list craft. You know, I talked to the CNN guy after that and I said, you know, I'd like to get on and clarify what the National Guard has done over the course of our nation, especially in Minnesota Guard all the way back to the Civil War and marching the first regiment to that Lincoln requested off, first Minnesota went, bought a Gettysburg, you know, held the line there and we've been in World War one and two and Spanish-American wore everything down the line and, you know, they're like, well, I don't know if we're going to do that. You know, it's just let Jesse spew his crap out there and then, you know, then not even let somebody tell the truth off, which is kind of sad. I mean, when you, you know, they just, they just lean that direction and that's how they offer it. Well, with Jesse Ventura, you guys elected him. How many terms up there? Two ones. Oh, thank you. Yeah, I think it was just one. Oh, it was just one. Okay. And now it seems he's switched. I think he, he said he's not endorsing Trump and he's going for Kamala up there. He's been making the rounds doing interviews. Look, we've seen you a lot everywhere. They obviously came to you to fact check his record here. A lot of controversy has been made about what he actually listed that the, the White House retracted. Now, they're saying he is a retired Command Sergeant Major. Is that true or false? Absolutely false. Okay, so then they changed it to Command Sergeant Major walls, no retired from anymore. And that's currently what the White House has now. What's the difference between that sentence? Well, technically, you know, in the fall of '04 when he was selected for that position, he was selected in an acting position, he was struck basically as Command Sergeant Major. He was in the position, he got the pin the rank on, but then when he slithered out of the door and quit in 2005 or, you know, in May of '05, he did not finish the requirements of the United States Army Sergeant Major's Academy. He didn't do two years after graduating from it. So he basically failed the course. And then so then he automatically got reduced to master stuff. So he's a retired master sergeant, you know, and in the technical term out there in civilian side, you know, he can say that he served as a Command Sergeant Major, but he was never actually one. And that's, it's the same as if a doctor that never got his PhD and said he was a doctor, but, you know, and then all of a sudden he was struck as a doctor, but then he doesn't graduate, doesn't finish his school in he or she. Then all of a sudden they go back and when he's running around the hospital, we're in a doctor branch here. I mean, that's literally what the hell he's been doing. He's been running around and saying, "I'm retired by the Sergeant Major. I mean, he even gave out a congressional coin to have the Command Sergeant Major rank and blaze it on. I mean, he just lives, lives the lie horribly." That's hilarious. In college, by the way, I used to say that I was an amateur gynecologist and then I got to, you know, school there and I was like, "Well, I can't do that." No. But I was very good at it. No, that's a different kind of stolen power actually. Is it? Okay. But I want to, yeah, this is, we all know a guy like this in the military or maybe even just in civilian life because this, this retired Command Sergeant Major thing is just a blip, right? It's one of the many things that he takes and this is what good liars do. They take the truth and they change it just a little bit to make themselves look better. Two words. Yeah, two words. Think of like Brian Williams talking about being involved in some kind of Hillary Clinton under sniper fire or any of this stuff, right? It's like the plane was there, yeah, the snipers weren't, right? So you take a real thing and you add a little bit of fiction to it and people are like, "Oh, when somebody goes to verify it, like, "Oh, well, she was there," right? Or he was technically a Sergeant Major, right? And they intentionally obfuscate reality to make themselves look better or to give themselves an advantage in some way and it isn't just with the rank thing. It's like this little game he's trying to play with dodging what would have been his only real deployment is pathetic. He is an absolute coward this guy. And let me be really clear about this. There are a lot of people who join the military for a lot of different reasons. Some people join because they want to serve their country. Some people join because they know that there's a lot of benefit to serving in the military. There is, right? There's quite a few benefits to it, especially if you join during peacetime. Yep. If you join when there's no war going on, it's like you can kind of coast, get your GI bill, get a VA home loan and blah, blah, blah, plus you have the benefit of having served and stuff like this. And that's what Tim Walz did. And when it came time to pay the bill to actually deploy to actual war that his actual country was in, he tucked his tail between his legs and ran away. That's who he is as a human being. And now what we're going to put this guy breath away from being commander in chief of the armed forces, fuck that. Not one prayer, right? Yeah, it's pretty insane. And the also, the campaign also acknowledged that Walz misspoke in a 2018 video post on social media that recorded him saying, weapons of war that I carried in war. Yeah. Yeah. That bitches never been in war. So he never, never saw any combat, correct, sir? No, he never went to a combat zone, I mean, the thing that's crazy with that whole sense he spewed out was first he said he served 25 years, but anybody in the military knows how damn many years you put in, and you say 6, 12, 18, 24, which is what he did, but he says 25. He just adds one little thing on there, oh, it was 25 years. And then he says the weapons of war, which basically he's saying AR-15s are, and which is another lie. And then he says that he was in war, which is the third lie in one sentence, and yeah, he went to Italy. I don't, maybe he felt like he was in a combat zone when he was there. I mean, he's such a damn coward, basically, but he was never in Afghanistan or Iraq. He didn't get combat pay or high-hazardous duty pay. He was never anywhere, you know, and then he said that he can't say himself what the hell he meant. He has to somebody speak for him to say that he misspoke, which is, to me, misspoke is just another word to lie, and just the fancy way around it, well, well, he is talking so fast. You don't know what he said. Bullshit. He knew exactly what he would say. He wanted to say what he did because he do damn well or make him look like he knew what he was talking about when it came time to get AR-15s off the street, which is number one on his agenda. Yeah. And after he was accused of lying about being in a combat zone when he never was, they came out with another attracted statement there that says, "Walls and other guard troops were sent to Italy in 2003 to provide base security in support of operation and during freedom." In support of. So he did ForcePro at a, at a, what is effectively a domestic base, right? Like when's the last time Italy got attacked? Boy. Guess. One more time. One more. Two of them on the fucker. That's the last time. I think that last World Cup was pretty bad for them too, but it's another story. Yeah. That's soccer. Yeah. That's soccer. Soccer's not even a real sport. Yeah. It's been a couple of weeks. Yeah. It's been a while over there. So for civilians, what does that mean exactly when you're sent to Italy in support of something else? So you just kind of hanging out on base. What do you do? No, they took, so the, the unit that was in, I assume this was in Vicenza, Italy, which is 173rd Airborne, they would have had, or could have been one of the other bases. I think that's where it was. They would have taken over the security of the base, right? Checkpoints, stuff like that. Okay. Just this, you know, nine to five work. But in Italy. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Sex. Yeah. They were, they were wearing Lenin shirts, you know, and, and eating pasta. I mean, it's a great life. Yeah. It's a great life. I mean, we go, we go to Italy for vacation. I don't think anybody's signing up to go to fucking Sadr City on vacation. That's what we were on at two when the Trump's call at the European vacation. Because literally, I was an Englander's first sergeant up there and basically that's what we did as base, base security. We, you know, after 911, the bases that were in Europe were, you know, pretty, pretty open. I mean, a lot of the, a lot of the housing and where the schools were and the hospitals and stuff were all civilians could just drive right in there through the air base part of what, where the airfield was in planes that was secured. But then, you know, they had to expand the perimeter and then they needed extra troops. So we fell in on a security forces over there and that's, that's what we did. We guarded the, you know, our soldiers guarded the gates and he did the same thing. I did. He basically made sure your soldiers have food and their housing was good. You kept the log of the duty roster and, and that's what you did for sergeant duties in a garrison environment. Yeah, I mean, because, you know, as I'm looking at it here, I don't understand the benefit of lying when you know that there's people out there that you served with who are going to come forward with this shit. You know, you're going to get caught in all of this. Is it just because they don't care and this narrative is the one that they're pushing on America? Because even saying operation and during freedom as a civilian, it makes it sound like holy shit, wasn't that the war enough, can I stand? Oh my God, you were there. Well, that's the point. Must have been crazy. Yeah. That's so it's, it's a lie without being a lie, right? It's the implication without actually telling a lie that, that, and that's what again, that's what I was talking about before. People like Tim, they, they tip toe around the truth a little bit, right? They, and you know, the funny thing is, if he, if you spend as much time actually doing the shit, you're pretending to do, it would have been done. Yeah. And you could actually be an honorable human being instead of a piece of shit and just, I don't, I honestly don't understand it. I think people are just, some people are just defective, right? Like something about the way he was raised or something like that, he's, he's the defective human being. He doesn't, there's not honesty in him. He doesn't have honor, right? He stepped over people, including our guest today, right? So let's get, let's get back into it. I want to talk about how the, let's start with the deployment process, the notifications and all this stuff that happened. And then we'll go to how the retirement protocols are afterwards. So for that, there's this, the way that walls and his team have tried to push this is that, oh, they just, you know, I didn't even know that we were going to deploy. That is absolute horseshit. You know that when you get the warning order, you probably know months in advance before that, typically six to 18 months for, for a conventional unit, I'm not sure exactly for the guard, but what, when we got a warning order in December of 2006, we knew six months prior that we were getting that order, right? That's why we were doing a training cycle to get ready for it. So this idea that he didn't, he had no idea is asinine nonsense, but a, you were in that unit. You were a first started in that unit of the time, Tom, tell me what, what, what went down there. Well, basically in July of '04, I got selected to a sergeant major position at division artillery. So I was out of the one of the 125 at that point. So I was, I was drilling up in the cities, basically Brooklyn Park and then September rolled around and he got selected for the, for the battalion command sergeant major. But, you know, going back in time there, the, the state knew that there was a sourcing out there for a potential deployment. This was in the summer in fallible for, you know, the higher leadership more likely knew what was common. Like he was just said, there's a warning order coming down the line of the ways. I mean, senior leadership that, you know, they all have secret clearance, obviously they weren't likely in a meeting in new, something was common, you know, prepare, whatever. And then going down to timeline with walls in February, February 10th of 2004, 2005, he filed with the FEC to run for Congress, the House of Representatives. And then the timeline went to March 17th. I'm pretty sure is the date when the warning order actually was read to the units in Minnesota, the first became combat team. You, you and you, battalions, you're all, you know, get ready to go to Iraq. This is coming down the line, you know, get, tell your family, tell your employer, you know, work on your will if you need to, you get your shit together because this stuff is coming. And then the 20th of March, his campaign, which he is in charge of, actually put out a statement that said, you know, we've got notified about this possible deployment to Iraq. You know, I've got a hell of a team here. My wife is wonderful and I'm going to still campaign whether we, whether it's here in Minnesota, or in Iraq, who's right out of his words, I'm pretty sure CNN or Fox, somebody uncovered that statement, and that blows his, everybody's narrative out of the water that he didn't know because he stayed, he put it out there himself that he wouldn't want. Then may rolls around and they have guard drill and then the, then the scuttled butt across the state is that he had, he had walked out the door and quit and everybody was like, what the hell kind of CSM quits when you're notified that you're going to be going to combat. That's literally like Tom Brady, the, even the Super Bowl saying, you know, I don't want to get hurt in a Super Bowl. So you back up, dude, you get out there and play, I'm going to stand around the sideline and wave to the facts. I mean, that's how ridiculous it is for a CSM to step out of the position after that point. Yeah. And then he did it for his own gain, right? It wasn't like sick family, what we would call a compassionate retirement or compassionate reassignment. It wasn't for anything like that. It was just because he wanted to, he wanted to be a politician. That's it. Yeah. Which is probably what he was for all of his military career as well. We, again, that's another guy that everybody that served in the military knows this piece of shit who's not there to serve their country. They're there to gain for themselves. And now let's talk a little bit about the retirement piece, because he dropped a retirement packet in February, I believe, right, and around the same time that he filed for, to run for Congress. And there's nothing out there I've ever seen that actually, unless you've got it, it's a blank sheet of paper. Everybody says that this must exist because that's what normally happens when people retire, they put something in months in advance, but nobody in the state of Minnesota can produce this packet. I haven't seen it. So yeah, maybe, maybe it's a bad assumption that exists, just, just to clarify, a lot of things are required to retire. Like you have to do full medical exams, you have to like any outstanding situations you might have, and keep in mind, he's in the middle of Command Sergeant Major School right now. That's the head shop or the lobotomy factory, that's what we call it, but no offense. But he's in this school at the time. Nobody starts the Sergeant Major Academy with the intent of retiring. That's stupid. That doesn't make any sense. That's like putting your pants on to go to sleep, you know what I mean? It doesn't make any sense. So he's doing all this stuff. And yeah, you have to clear medical, you have to clear dental. Clearing is what we call it. You have to turn in all your TA50 yet, there's like a million different things. I was, I was only in for five years, and it took me three months to do that process. And I wasn't retiring. I was just ETSing. Retiring includes like evaluation for benefits and all this other bullshit. There's no, there's just no way that he is like, oh, you know what I'm gonna. And here's how, here's one indicator that we know that things were not on the up and up. The gentleman, his boss, the Command Sergeant Major that was his boss, was supposed to be in line for retirement. And walls went outside the chain of command and skipped over him to retire. And so he had to stay for more time? Yeah. I mean, they would have delayed his retirement. Yeah. Okay. And then just to confirm what the White House said here, so by February, walls announced that he was considering a run for Congress. And then in mid-March, walls as battalion was notified of a possible deployment to Iraq. Is that the same months and timeline that you had? Correct. Okay. So at least they got one thing, right? And the campaign said walls would stay whether in Minnesota or Iraq, identical to what you said, and that he had a responsibility. That's not his, that's not the White House. So that's his campaign in 2005 saying that. Right. But they're also, they didn't delete this. No. So it's still there. He had a responsibility. The release said, uh, to his ready battalion for war, but also to serve if called on. So I'm assuming serve your country as a politician or serve it overseas. Like, that sounds like that's what he was saying. He said, I'm either going to serve here in the States or in Iraq, whatever happens, um, but he, it's very clear he had no attention of going to Iraq. Right. That's the thing, he's just, it's just like these, uh, religious zealot, like cult and terrorist leaders, they never put themselves at risk. They always put everybody else at risk for their own gain, you know what I mean? And that's what a politician typically does. That's why they're the biggest pieces of shit in the world. And for you, sir, uh, Tom, you hang out a lot. You know all these people, it's a team at the end of the day. How well did you really know him and did he change that much that it was just totally drastic in that you could never talk to this person again? I really didn't like the guy from the minute I met him because he's one of the people that never shuts up and never sits down and he loves being on the soul box and hearing himself talk and we'd be in staff call on a first sergeant meeting and he'd just, he'd be blabbing, you know, just shit that you didn't need to hear rather than be into the points we could get back and train up our troops and be like, well, I want to preach for a half hour and I was just like, you know, God, I just tell the other first sergeants, can you just sit on and shut up? And then when we were deployed to Europe, we went, we went to Bastole under the Battle of the Bulge Memorial thing going on. We had some marches there and we went out for a beer and he was spewing political shit. And I was like, you know, we're here to memorialize our four, five, four, four bears that fought on this hollow ground and we got to listen to this crap. I mean, just shut the hell off, man. You know, that was the thing. You know, it's, he's not somebody I go to a football game with and he wouldn't invite me either. I mean, we're not, he's in the pot. I mean, that's, yeah, he was a first sergeant, but that's as close as I was to anything what he is. We're, we're different man and I'm from small town Minnesota. He acts like he does, but he's, he's a, he's a far from male, a small town person as you can get. And according to the media here, and I'm going to read this one from the AP here, the Associated Press, after that's notification of potential deployment in March, less than two months later on May 16, 2005, walls retired from the National Guard, his departure was not unusual. So according to you guys, it is according to the media, it is not. Now what they're saying is more than 730 senior enlisted soldiers, which 24 years of service retired in 2005 when the US was heavily engaged in wars with Iraq and Afghanistan, according to department of defense statistics there. But you guys are saying this is extremely unusual to just leave. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, it's one thing if you're a 20 year first sergeant sergeant major and you've been on four, five, six deployments or something like that, it just reminds me, I know this is kind of a weird reference, but do you remember that's the one of the opening scenes in the Captain America movie where his character is desperately trying to get past medical to get into the military? Yeah. I have a dozen friends who did that Donnie O'Malley's dad was a, a Navy doctor and had all of his medical records and Donnie broke into the office and destroyed the medical records so he could join the Marine Corps because he's a man of honor. He wanted to serve his fucking country. You know what I mean? Like this, this stuff doesn't stop you. You serving in even, even some, well, a couple of years during an actual war and never deploying. If you, if we, we call them slick sleeves, right? Because you get a combat patch on your right sleeve when you deploy. And if you walk around and see a senior enlisted guy with no combat infantry badge or CAB on the left side of their chest and the slick sleeve on the right side, you're like, what the fuck does dude been doing the whole time while we've been chewing the fucking mud over here? You know what I mean? Like nobody respects that guy. And it should matter to you that your troops respect you. If it doesn't, then you're a piece of shit, right? If it doesn't matter to you that the troops use that serve under you look up to you, then you shouldn't be in charge of anybody. Yeah, I, I look, I'll, I'll leave that up to you guys. I'm, I'm non military here, but I want to ask you about Doug Julin, do you know Doug, a Minnesota guard command sergeant major? Yeah, he was the brigade combat team sergeant major, command sergeant major on the deployment. Were you friendly with him? Oh, yeah, he's the, he's the guy that balls bypassed to get out. You know, and that's the thing that's crazy out there is nobody's came forward and said how we got out, what he did, who signed the papers a lot, because he bypassed the brigade command sergeant major didn't even tell him. And that was the thing, you know, normal retirement, you'll, the everybody in the formation will be standing there. Oh God, we got to listen to a bunch of CSM's talk again because one of them is retiring and he's going to say his shit and the other one's going to be getting, be coming in. There's going to be, the town's going to be past to him. Now we got to listen to him talk for however long and they all got to stand out there and listen, I wasn't enlisted before to, you know, I mean, it's like for God's sake, another, another dog and pony show, but that never happened at all. Walls didn't talk to me when he left. He didn't, there was no cake, there was no firing of any gun salute or anything. 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He lied to him and said he had to quit to run for comics, which was another one of them damn lies that there's a hell of a lot of people out there that are involved and they run for office when they are in the guard and then if they get deployed, they get deployed and they come back and they do their term, but it's something they can do. My gut feeling, it really doesn't matter why he wanted to get out, but my gut feeling is looking at the evidence of him campaigning for Kerry as an enduring freedom veteran for Kerry in August of '04 and being on campaigning for him basically was on a committee of the Minnesota, I honestly don't think that he could fight, he could not go to Iraq for Bush's war. I think he got so politically bound up that he turned into a turncoat. He basically took off his military uniform and said, "I am not fighting for this country, I don't give a damn what, I'm not going because my gut feeling is he's a scoundrel." And to speak to that, there were quite a few of us that knew that the Iraq war was bullshit, but the country asked us to go, so we went, that's what you do. It's not our job to be fucking politicians, our job is to go fuck people up frankly, right? Our job is to go to war and kill the enemy and we can sit around later on and discuss if it was right or not, that's not our job, right? And if you want to go do your work and then come back and get in politics to try to keep it from happening again in the wrong way, good for you, but you don't have any credibility if you fucking skirt the door, you know, what would have been your only deployment. It's asinine to me that this guy's out there pretending to be something and that the left is holding him up. I just don't understand it. Well at the time, we didn't know, at least like civilians in the American public, that there was no weapons of mass destruction or all that other stuff. So I always knew. Did you guys know? Yeah, there were no weapons of mass destruction anywhere and if there were, it was the ones that fucking Donald Rumpfeld sold to them in the 1980s, you know what I mean, but it didn't matter. It didn't matter like there's something called a jump refusal, I'm airborne, right? If you get up into the plane and you refuse to jump, you get stripped of your airborne status, lose your wings. That's what it's supposed to be. You sign up the fucking fight and when it's time to fight, you fight, we can have a discussion about it later. It's time to feel now is the time to do and this guy is just a coward. I mean, all around, he's just a guy. It's a mix between self-serving narcissists and coward. That's what he really is because I think there are people, how many people serving in the National Guard have actually deployed before. Tossi Gabbard deployed, serving in Congress that stopped her for fucking deploying. She's a goddamn Democrat. Now, according to the media, and I want to fact check them on this and correct me if I'm wrong on this, they then picked you to replace walls as the first battalion's command sergeant major. Is that correct? Correct. Okay. And then the unit received an alert order for mobilization to Iraq in mid July, 2005, and a few months later, headed to Mississippi for training. The unit shipped to Iraq in March, 2006, where it would spend the next 16 months. That is a fact. Okay. So you were the one in charge after that, walls is out, and then you're in it. Did that help your career? And does that help your standing in the military by getting to replace this guy and then going over there to serve? Well, I don't think it was a matter of helping my career. I accepted the position for the simple fact that I care for my soldiers, it's in my heart to do it. I wanted to be there to help train them as well as we could, to hopefully get everybody back in one piece if we could, I mean, and make sure they was as well equipped as they could be over there and to be the Colonel's right-hand man, and you will try to do whatever I could to go on the NCO side of the house. Yeah, it's a hell of an honor to have it at this point, and I look back on it, and it's like, wow, all the hell that'll act. I just know that to me, my dad said that after World War II, when he was with Patton, that if you don't believe in a greater power after being in combat, there's something along with it, because there's shit that happens that you have no explanation for, and that's kind of how this all unfolded was almost like, why did God tell him to be a yellow-bellied coward and get the hell out of the waist so I could go there, because, you know, that's what a boy, if he don't went there, I think he'd be hiding under the desk yet, because that's just the type of person he is, and we'd be over there looking for the son of a bitch, yeah, because he's a deserter, I mean, he left his post, he abandoned his duty station, he walked off into the sunset, and he never looked back, and that's exactly the definition of a deserter, somebody that abandons their, your brothers and sisters and never turns her out, and it's literally what the hell he did, it's just, I mean, imagine that, imagine that Henry V speech about the band of brothers, and then he, like, he tells the speech, and he's like, all right, guys, I got to dip out, I'm going to go, I got to go, man, but you guys have fun out there, stay up, stay up, stay up, stay up, stay up, yeah, because I- I got to be- any brothers is a perfect example of that, that one captain they have that- I sold, yeah, sold over there, he's a piece of shit. Yeah, I got to go back to brigade or whatever. Oh, no, no, no, you're talking about, uh, you guys know what I'm talking about? Dike, no, no, no, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's- Yeah, yeah, same shit, yeah, same guy, really. Yeah, because, you know, as I'm looking at it here, and you're looking at shit, man, I mean, essentially two years of your life there, right? 22 and a half months, yeah, uh, 22 and a half months that he dipped out on didn't have to do. After that, he ran unopposed in the Democratic primary, and then would pull off an upset beating, Republican rep, whoever Gil Gutnik is, it's a terrible last name, it's probably the last name that lost that race, but then it's kind of all over after that, so has he been a politician ever since then? Well, look, there's, there's like, um, a lot of guys who are politicians while they're still in the military, and we make fun of them for it, right? Like my old battalion and then brigade commander Chris Gibson was like that. He, he, you could tell he was angling to be a politician the entire time he was in the military. You know what he did though? He deployed four fucking times first, and then he went to back, then he retired, and then he fucking went to Congress. Like, all right, cool, man. Good luck. Like that. It's pat on the bat. Good luck. Hope you do well. He didn't dip out on his men. That's the difference. Like we're going to make fun of you no matter what you do, to be honest. If you come in to work Monday morning with a bad haircut, we're going to light your ass up. It doesn't matter. It's just a bunch of dudes doing dumb dude shit. You know what I mean? So don't take the shit talking as, as disrespect necessarily, because some people are going to get into politics. That's just the way it is. That's not the issue. The issue is that he abandoned his men to do it. OK. And I'm reading here. A letter was sent to the editor of the Mankato Free Press newspaper from a person identified as Major Walter Gates. Do you know Walter Gates's? No. OK, so he said information about Walt's military career strongly suggested that walls have fought in Iraq or Afghanistan, to which country did Walt's deploy down range? Gates asked. And walls responded by saying the letter appeared to be an attempt to slander my good name. Walls then wrote incorrectly that he retired as a command sergeant major, but accurately specified that he served on three NATO training missions in Italy. Walls was equally clear about his wartime service in a 2009 interview with the Library of Congress's Veterans History Project. Now, according to these letters that were going back and forth to the Mankato Free Press and forgive me. I'm not from there. I've never been to Minnesota. I don't know what that is. If you're getting questions from the editors and people are publishing negative stuff about you all the time, wouldn't it make sense then to put your own guy in your own local media, especially if you're running in local politics? Well, I mean, if you're a politician, it always behooves you to have somebody in the media. Yeah, you know what I mean? But she does now. So nobody will ever really question what's going on with him because, hey, if they work for you, why would you? Because they're going to help out the campaign. And then, yeah, in the news release, when he was actually running the campaign, he took out that he deployed for eight months over there and simply said he served in Afghanistan. Man, if somebody sends me to Italy for eight months and I get paid still and it's tax-free, I'm doing that once a year for the rest of my life. You kidding me? Well, was he there for eight months in Italy? No, our deployment was six months in Europe and then we had, you know, whatever, three, two, three weeks on the front end and then burn up leave at the end, six months in on the ground. Okay, even a month is a lot. Yeah, is it was it in Vicenza or where was it? Yeah, he was he was that that's where the 173rd is from because that was another lie that he had. I was heard before too was that, you know, he said that he was in support of operation and during freedom for troops that were in Afghanistan, which the 173rd at the time, you know, when I researched it, pretty damn sure that they, they air drop, they either parachuted them to Iraq, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And let me address that too. They landed in the curtain zone for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they they so the only conventional mustard stain that's a little gold star on your airborne wings that for the entire GWOT, not like not special operations was the 173rd and that jump he's talking about. I just want to make it clear that they jumped into a drop zone that was already secured by I think second Ranger bat. So they didn't it wasn't like Normandy or nothing. And if you're out there and you're in 173rd and taking credit for that, shut up. I want to hear about it. I get that's that's some shit they talk to me all the time. That was the thing that that he brought out to was that they jumped into Afghanistan and, you know, tried to make it sound like he was on some weird operation and during freedom in support of those troops that were down range. I mean, we couldn't even mention Iraq when that's where the hell they were. Well, what did he know? That's where the hell they were. He was on that base doing their security for him. I mean, it's just another spin on the shit, you know, in a civilian population, don't don't know that he's lying because he's a politician. He, you know, I know he's lying when it was as his mouth is moving. But other people might be like, well, maybe, maybe he's telling the truth, but it's just all bullshit. I mean, it's like saying, you know that, you know that group that was that jumped into Iraq. Yeah, I was in support of that. It's like, yeah, well, what do you mean by that? It's like Dwight Schrute saying he's assistant to the regional manager. You know what I mean? That's really what it is. Now, John Cole, do you know John Cole? He's a retired Minnesota National Guard Colonel. Yep, he was my battalion commander. Okay, so according to Cole here in the media, and again, this is for you to correct or, or, or not correct, he had a meeting with you personally that said, Hey, you need to let go of your resentment against Tim Walz. Is that true? Well, it really wasn't resentment. Basically, I told him, I said this guy is saying that he's a retired Spanish sergeant major all the time. And they had to scot he was in in the military, I retired in 2010. And he stayed in, you know, for a few quite a few years after that yet. But, you know that everybody talked about it and everybody looked, you know, at senior level, he was a full bird when he retired and they all looked at it like, well, he burned his bridges back here, you know, let him see big deal, you know, let him do whatever the hell he's doing. Oh, it'll get catch up with him sometime. I mean, if everybody figured somebody more up in the chain, a command, a brigade, or division level, or even state level, was it a practice on a bitch sometime and get them to not say he's a retired command sergeant major? Because that just burned everybody's ass that actually went through the school or knew somebody that died as a CSM in combat. It was like, they don't have the voice to talk and somebody's got to get this out of a bitch real then and tell them to shut up and, and say who you are. And, and that's what, you know, Colonel Cobe told me, he goes, well, just let it be, let it be or whatever. And then 2016 rolled around and then he, uh, walls came to a veteran's memorial dedication. And that's what he spewed that out. I don't know how many times that he, and one of my neighbors told me, yeah, you, uh, I got to meet another command sergeant major, retired one. And I said, who wouldn't he said it was walls? And I said, well, he ain't. And I said, he didn't finish the course. He didn't do the requirements. He is in position for a few months. I said, he's, he's, it's all bullshit. And he goes, well, we don't know that or civilians. Somebody needs to tell us. And I said, well, why the hell do I need to do it? He goes, well, because you know the story. So I actually sent a letter to walls back in 16, right to him, man to man, soldier to soldier. I said, thanks for your 24 years of service. Thanks for what you do in armed services committee. But please refrain from using this rank in anything anymore. You didn't earn it. Other people did. And you, you aren't it. And you're lying and saying it. You're just doing it for political gain. And that's what started the whole fire there, because he never set a thing back. I sent it to all the committees he was on. They never set nothing back. And then nine in 2018, we all heard, I wrote the letter that, that kind of got things going for when he was running for governor. I mean, it's just the bastard won't take a, you know, won't take responsibility for his actions. He really won't apologize to anybody. He told everybody in Congress was the highest ranking guy there for years. And has he ever went there and apologized to them for the guys that actually were the highest ranking? NCO was hell no. He's just a snake. And according to the media, they're saying that you were pissed off about reading another article about walls and his military career and another local paper there. And then you wrote that letter. I'm going to read that to the audience right now. It saddens me that after your long career in the National Guard, that you could not fulfill the conditions of your promotion to command sergeant major. I would hope that you've been using the rank. I would hope that you haven't forgive me. I've been using the rank for political gain. But that's how it appears. And then they're saying you did not get a reply from walls. Is that true? It's true. Okay. If he would have reached out to you, would things be a little different today or no? Well, if he would have reached out to me, and if he would have came clean to the, to the members of the first district, the citizens down here that voted him in, you know, it would have been all water under the bridge and he could have moved on and people could judge whether it made a difference or not. Or maybe they would look at him, said he's an honest guy. He came clean after all these heaters. That's the thing. I mean, he still has not told anybody, I'm sorry for being a blowhard, pathological liar. You know, he has a spokespeople go out there and say that he misspoke and whatever. But he's never apologized to the command sergeant majors and the sergeant majors that are the ones that he is writing on the coattails of. He hasn't, he hasn't said I'm sorry to the 500 soldiers. He abandoned back then. He hasn't said I'm sorry to the United States of America for hanging up on him when Uncle Sam said, Hey, I need you. And he basically is like screw you. I got better shipped to do. I, you know, and he never will apologize because I think the narcissist that he is, it's like you guys have said there's something wrong with him. His brain ain't wired, right? And he's in whatever the hell dictator more that he's in. He ain't gonna tell anybody. Sorry. I mean, Kim Jong-il won't say I'm sorry to anybody and walls won't either. Yeah. And by the way, to go back to your point about civilians, not knowing what these ranks mean and everything else. Yes, if guys like you or Dan don't come on air or go out to the media and tell everybody what actually happened, that's what we think. You know, especially during that whole 20 year war, as a civilian, cool men, you see a guy in in camo with a backpack on, you know, coming through the airport. Great, man. You just assume that they deployed overseas and they're just coming home to see their family for the first time. There's balloons and signs in the airport and everything else. I remember going back and forth to Atlanta during that period a lot. And they would right at the top of the escalator there at Hartzfield, you would see all the families waiting for everybody else. So yes, that is what we assume. And unless people like you and Dan come out and tell everybody what actually happened, then there is this falsehood that is out there in the ether that's all right, cool man. All we're hearing is 24 years, 24 years of service over and over and over again. We don't really know what happened now that it is coming to light. People start to question it and be like, okay, well, who the fuck is this guy? Yeah, well, that's the that you're defining the problem from one side. And let me tell you about it from the other side, because there is this inclination, a perclivity amongst most Americans, there are some who this don't apply to, but most Americans see somebody in military uniform and feel all sorts of different emotions, gratitude, respect, right? You really gratitude. I haven't seen anything beyond gratitude and respect. I mean, obviously, you'll have your own stories. Sure. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, there's liberals, but even even I would say even most liberal people feel that to some degree as well. And that's why we train our men to behave a certain way, right? When they're out in public representing our units or our army or our country even, because you're trading on the honor of everybody that's ever worn that fucking uniform, right? It is, it purchases you honor and respect, and you're required to pay the fucking bill for it, right? Both during your time and service and afterwards, it doesn't end just because you take off the uniform. Every single thing you do throughout your life, you're borrowing money from the bank of bloodshed by soldiers in this country to pay your way, right? And if you use that incorrectly, it is about the most dishonorable thing you can do as a human being, in my opinion. I just, I can't stomach this shit. So it's not for me, it's not a matter of politics or right or wrong. There are people who have done this on the right as well. There was some dick hole running for the state legislature in Arizona. And my buddy, Anthony Anderson, who's the number one stolen valor killer in America, lit this dude up, lit his ass up, right? And also lit up the people who were supporting him. He lied about his service. You don't get to serve again if you lie about your service ever. That's got to be the standard, right? But clearly it's not. We've reached this point in American politics where winning is the goal. Just winning the race is the goal. Well, no, that's not the goal. The goal is to have America be as good as it can possibly be. That should be the goal. And, you know, you can tell who a person is based on where they're running towards. Are they running towards the gunfire or are they running towards their own achievement? You know what I mean? And Tim walls is the latter. That's who he will always be as a person. There's no way for him to redeem himself at this point. Yeah. Now, Tom, I don't know if you're aware, but the media is painting you as like a right swing guy who's against walls. They even pulled up who you donated to. They said, you donated $250 to Trump's 2020 presidential campaign and supported walls as Republican opponents in Minnesota. And then that's why you have this gripe and why you're coming forward. Yeah. And if they can read my mind, they're doing a hell of a lot better job than I am. I mean, I, I am who I am. And this, it's like Dan said, this doesn't have a damn thing to do with politics. This has to do with the character and patriotism of this guy. And I said that back when I was on a news conference with Scott Jensen and, you know, my politics, you know, the farmers used to all, we, them or all were Democrats back 50 years ago. And the party changed to the point where my dad, he didn't vote Democrat in 90, 96, and a neighbor didn't vote Democrat in 2012. I mean, things just have changed where they're, they're going to follow Midwestern rutsening. That's where I'm at. I mean, I, I'm not going to say I didn't do that. That is what I did. And I, I haven't donated any money this year to anybody because I feel what I'm doing here is, is kind of enough at this point. I might donate and they could go research at them too. This don't have a damn thing to do with it. This guy could be, if this was George Bush or JD Vance or anybody out there, they'd pull this shit. I'd be on the same damn bandwagon tomorrow, because this is absolutely wrong. It hurts a person to the floor. It tears a person's heart out to see somebody that served like he did in Minneapolis saying that, well, all it is is all you're going to get is a bunch of 19 year old cooks that you call the guards up. This is after we came back from the longest damn deployment in Iraq and employees, people deployed several times after that. And the cities are burning and that ass will be couldn't even call the guard up. I mean, how the hell do you serve for 24 years of people and just follow a bunch of, bunch of people that are good bank paths and pans at the right? The guy who's just an absolute, you know, an immediate, yeah, they're going to fall on the sword for the guy, but you know, eventually, you know, let them do it. They can, they can fall down right with them. Yeah, it's the dishonesty behind that in addition is particularly disrespectful. I mean, there's an infantry regiment up there. There's a cavalry regiment. There are two MP companies. And then I think Air Force has security forces as well. And beyond the fact that all national guard troops are trained on civil disturbances, right, to respond to them, the idea that a guy who was in charge of these people for two decades would go to the national media and say, Oh, he's the mayor is just complaining. He doesn't understand that he would have just gotten a bunch of fucking scrubs showing up. It's like, Oh, cool, man. Well, yeah, I mean, are you referring to yourself as a scrub, I guess? Because that's your own because that's your own fucking unit. It's God, he's such a piece of shit. It's crazy. One of the things that they contributed to you, and I want to fact check this as well, the media is also saying that while you guys were both still in uniform, that you personally grew weary of his monologues that veered in a hot button, issues like abortion. Now, in 2005, I don't remember anybody ever talking about abortion. Did Tim Walz actually talk to you about abortion? And is that statement true? Well, in 2000, that's what I meant. I think I brought it out to you guys when we were on that pastel in March for the Battle of the Bulge, and we were having a beer afterwards. And then that's what he was talking about was abortion. You know, I was there. My dad was in, he thought was patent, so he was there on that ground somewhere. You know, I was just there, you know, absorbing the history and seeing the foxholes and different things that were there. And you know, just being like in a religious, being in a church of a ghost, and he was spewing this abortion stuff. And you know, it's a woman's right to choose, and whoever he is talking with, it turned into a heated discussion. And then of course, he got louder, and then he was the only voice anybody could hear. And I was just like, you know, we're here to, we're here to, you know, absorb this place, not listen to this. I mean, it's wild. So I look, it appears as if he's always been who he said he was. They also said, the media said that you hung a large yellow banner from a grain bin on his farm that read walls is a traitor. Is that true? Correct. And it's probably going to go up Saturday again. The election season, I kind of put it up again, but we're going to we're going to do it and get it up there. You know, the original trainees I had with him was walls, the traitors. When I looked up the definition of that, it fit him to a tee. He didn't, he's not treasonous, really, that kind of crosses another line where he should be, you know, seriously punished. But you know, traitor fits the bill. Military impersonator fits it very well. Like, you know, like you said, somebody carrying a backpack, he didn't uniform, you know, civilians can do that. They can go to good, well, and buy stuff and look like a soldier and maybe have people say, thank you for your service. And, you know, and then do whatever they do. But on the military side, you got guys like walls and they're very few and far between. And it's not like there's very many of them that do that, and especially when in politics, I mean, to do that in politics in the limelight, where you're going to get called out, that's just absolutely assing on me. Because, you know, here we are. And everybody knows he's not a retired chancellor major. And everybody knows he lies about weapons of war. And everybody knows he lied about one of the listening dates are, and all the shit that he's got out there is all just bullshit. But he's a military impersonator, you know, and he's a deserter. I mean, it's just, yeah, these terms are kind of, kind of rough on him, but they all fit him. And then lastly here, the last thing I wanted to ask you about is that you and another fellow retired command sergeant, Major Paul Herr, paid to publish a letter in the Minnesota newspaper, claiming that walls for years had embellished and selectively omitted facts and circumstances about his military career. At what point did you do that? That would have been in 2018 when we, when the story first was out there, Paul and I wrote that letter. And I sent it across the state to every damn newspaper and radio station and TV station and my local paper here actually did publish it. And then I have the pay to have that group do it. And then I sent it to Star Tribune, the guy that he was the company paper you guys were talking about. And then that paper, you know, they got a hold of me and they said, these are very serious accusations. And I said, yeah, they're but they're damn near all true. I said, there might be a date wrong or something. I'm not going to say it's 100%, but 98, 99% true. Said, here's the guys you need to talk to the vet that were above him, vet it and see if it's true or not. And I said, if it's true, publish it. And if it's not, sue me for slam. The guy got back to me a few hours later or a day or two later, whatever it was. And he told me that we vetted it. And it's true. We're going to publish an article on it. And it wasn't no time later. He got back to me. He said, the editor next bit, because they said it was too close to the election. And they didn't want to influence the election. They talked to myself, what the hell is this North Korea? Because it was like, you got a major media, they covered the whole, whole cities. And you might influence the election. And people need to know the truth on this, on this guy. Yeah. And then 2020 happens. And the entire media plus all of social media sensors, the Hunter Biden laptop story, right? So this is just who these people are. Yeah. But I wanted to ask you specifically about that to establish the timeline, because that was in 2018 that you sent that. So it's not like you had a grudge, because he's running for vice president United States. You've been saying this for years, dating back to 2018, six years ago, before anybody nationally, Tim Walz was even back to 20, 2016 is when you send him a personal letter. Right. So, you know, we're talking, we're talking, we're talking you initially fired a first shot across his bowl, basically, you know, come clean. And, and so I can go on up my life and not have to worry about the crap you're doing. It's just, it's like Colonel Cole told me, he said, I wish I'd never met the guy, because it's like, he doesn't go away. He's like this, he doesn't go crawl under a rock like he should and just go there to die. I mean, which is what a normal human would do if they pulled shit like this. They'd be so damn embarrassed. They'd never told themselves in public again. But he's out there dancing around on stage like he's a clown now. And, and you know, it's just absolutely, he can't even make it up that I can't believe how damn arrogant the guy said, just go away. I mean, But, but it is important though, for the audience to understand that this isn't a new thing, because when he came out of nowhere for us, you know, Dan and I, and pretty much everybody else, we look, the only thing I heard about him was the tampon Tim thing. And what was the other one with the transgender bill that he signs? Well, yeah, a couple of things. One, he, I mean, he's just the most progressive governor in the entire country in the history of this country, actually. But yeah, he wanted to, he signed that they have the most left leaning transgender bullshit with kids. They also wanted to create a sanctuary state in many in Minnesota for people who like in states where they've correctly outlawed all this weird mutilation of children. He wanted to create a sanctuary state where you could come there and do it. Right. Same thing with illegal immigrants. He wanted to create a sanctuary state for illegal immigrants in Minnesota as well, which they're there. So have fun. But, but with that, again, the media is painting you to say, Hey, this guy is just coming out now saying all this because walls is running for for VP. Not true. This is you've been doing this since 2016, 2018 there 16 is when it started. And I'm, you know, then he ran for governor. And I started in 18. I mean, it's literally been eight years. And, you know, they can, they can say whatever they want. I mean, it's not like I've just got some weird thing that popped up out of the blue now. I mean, it's just the nation needs to know it now. That's the thing. I mean, we're, we're that close. I mean, he could easily send Kamala Harris over the Clintons for supper sometime. And all of a sudden, he's commander in chief the next day because she happened to fall down and hit her head on a lamp or something. I mean, just like some of these other weird things that have happened. I mean, that's just he's power hungry. And I don't think he bypassed the chain of command to retire out of the guard. And, you know, it's even a bypass, the commander in chief to, you know, further his agenda. I'm, I'm not scared of it. I think the United States has got enough sense to not elect them, but weird stuff has happened in this world. Yeah, we'll find out we're 67 days away from the election. Tom, we appreciate you being here. Now's the point in the show. We get to this thing called a drinking bro of the week, which is someone who has inspired you or helps you become the person you are today. Who'd you like to give the drinking bro of the week to? I would say my buddy Tom Schilling, because he, I actually convinced him that getting back into the guard after 911 was the right thing to do. He said, give me one reason to get in. And I said, because it's the right thing to do. And he did. He went on, on the deployment to Europe with me. And do I rack. I asked him about putting that banner up on the bin. And he threw the same damn thing back at me. He said, well, it's the right thing to do. So what the banner went on the bin? And he's my, he's my drinking buddy today. Cheers, story. We appreciate you being here, sir. We'll find out what happens in the next election here within the next two months. And thank you for your service. Tom, we appreciate it. Can I have one last thing? Yes, sir. Yeah. So on if the civilian world is out there and want to know what happens to Minnesota with his leadership, have them read the book, their line by Liz Colin, and or watch the documentary, the fall of Minneapolis, which helped the news. Yeah. And if that happened to the rest of the country, that's what, you know, that he would want to vote him in because he'll destroy the country just like he did in Minnesota. Yeah, Liz Colin's great. I've had her on citizen before. Well, we're going to have her on this show soon. Oh, it's awesome. And she can talk about that. She, she, I think her, her husband was a police officer in Minneapolis, right? Yeah, they got a pretty hard on that right now. Yeah, she, she's, uh, uh, she's good. Okay, great book. Definitely check it out. Awesome. And then for you at home, go to iTunes, rate the show a five star and leave a quick review. Also head on over to Spotify. It's just a five star. You can walk away at that point. For D, Anthony, Anthony Holloway, I'm Ross Patterson. This is the drinking bros podcast. Good night, everyone. [inaudible]
