[MUSIC] [MUSIC] >> [INAUDIBLE] [MUSIC] >> Matthews and Marner have done this so many times. He knows exactly where it's going to be in that one. A half a second later is off. The release is perfect, the positioning is great. Looking and tries to get across to Matthews with his eight game winning goal, number 54 of the year. >> Yeah, I mean I think these are games that we're comfortable honestly. I think everybody talks about the way of the year, the score, but I think the pride that we try to take in tight games like this. And it's not a whole lot of offense going on either side. And just staying patient, staying within ourselves and applying to our strengths and then not overdoing anything out there. Sometimes it takes extra time, but coming out here with two points obviously feels good. You get a chance to go right back at it tomorrow, lost minutes. Another good team, honestly. [MUSIC] >> Ben Marney, show 4-7, 5-9 of the fan. Ben and it's Brent Gutting. Maple is two on overtime win over the Buffalo Sabres who are, you call them. Are they Morabund? >> Yeah. >> Pretty close to Morabund. >> Sad. >> Honestly, you want my descriptor? >> Sad. >> All this. On the treadmill. Stuck in place. >> I can go all day. >> Yeah. Only ahead of the Canadian Senators Blue Jackets in the Eastern Conference, but obviously, give the Leafs fits just about every season. Certainly last time they saw them in Buffalo and me first hand with my young son. A little bit better result yesterday. 2-1 in overtime instead of giving up nine goals against. Leafs now with 80 points through 62 games this season. Exactly 20 games to go during the regular season puts them seven points back of the Bruins for second in the Atlantic division with two games in hand and pretty close on goal differential as well. And the second of two match ups this week happening tonight in Boston and the conclusion of the season series in which the Maple Leafs have picked up zero victories against the Boston Bruins. Maybe we'll get to that in just a second. Sure. Yesterday was, man, imagine yesterday was the deadline and I guess there's still the Jake Genssel move and maybe something that we didn't envision. Who expected Bo and Byron to be on the move and Casey metal said that was came out of nowhere. >> God, just quickly. Those are so fun. >> Yeah. >> Every trade for one. >> Well, the one for one, the hockey trade of it all, but also every trade that we've seen, like, okay, did Vegas come a little out of nowhere for Hannafen? Kinda. It's like the oil we were going to be in on the center or somebody. Every trade that ends up getting constituted. We've heard some version of it bandied about by one insider or another because guess what? We all think about this all the time. But that one just coming completely out of nowhere, a surprise. I haven't already given my take on it for six weeks before it happened. Chef's Kiss. Good job. Kevin Adams and whoever the other GM was involved to him biking on right now. >> Joe Sack. >> Yeah. >> Actually, there's like another guy, but we know what we're doing there. >> I love when the insiders, the great insiders, like all your freedmen say, like, I gotta say, I'm supposed to have my finger on the pulse. Didn't see this one coming. I love that. My favorite. I live for that. And maybe there's another one still to come today or tomorrow again, trade deadline, 3pm. Tomorrow we will have you covered for three hours on our program, normal scheduling tomorrow. All right. Is there anything that happened yesterday? >> Mm-hm. >> You're like, oh man, ah, you should have gotten in on that. I mean, if Noah Hanifen shot with the right hand, they should have done that trade. But he doesn't. So we'll just park that one. >> And he's like, at least has a chance to re-sign in Vegas where it doesn't feel like he's going to remain north of the border. >> Yeah. I, and I understand that aspect of it, but I also think that, and I'm not saying that they should have definitively have done this, but I could be talked it. And again, this is if he shoots the right hand, but he doesn't, so it's a moot point. But I could have been talked into a rental price for that type of player. I could have. Now, I don't think it's the end of the world they missed out. And again, wrong hand. So it doesn't matter. The Henryk one is the only one that stands out to me is, ah, they couldn't have got in on that now. Part of it is what we've talked about is where would that player fit in the lineup and not where would Adam and reek fit? Because of course, you could slide him in pretty easily. But what does that do to Max told me? What does that do to the rest of your team? What does that do to John Tavares and the third line that you've, you've got kind of clicking so well right now, but it's a first and a fourth, you get double retention on both guys. Karik has evolved in there as well. And that was a guy, the bukula kind of bandied about to us. That's the one that I look at. And I don't think it is. I don't think this is some grandiose missed opportunity by tri living and how could he have let this one go by the wayside? I don't think that. But that is the one deal of all the ones that got made yesterday where I said, ah, you would have loved to have gotten on that. You've given up a first round pick for rental again though. Yeah. Yeah. It's an area of need, um, depending on how you feel about Max Domi is the second line center. Everybody, you know what, maybe this is the incorrect way to view it. I think everybody's kind of on the same page with Max Dome. It's like, it's not perfect. It's not ideal. It's probably not the way you drew it up. But for this team, it can work. Yep. There's like a high upside and there's a, there's a big swath there in the middle where the results could come. But yeah, you take it because you'd rather have Max Domi on this team, I think, considering what the potential playoff upside is and, and the way he's looked at times with this team. But yeah, you, you, you upset the Albuquerque certainly with, with that move. Well, but don't me specifically, I think this part has to be mentioned as well. And we've kind of got away from this in the conversation because we're so bogged down in the idea of Max Domi as your second line center. Max Domi has to play center on this team for him to be effective. We have seen now granted, this is a player who's found his footing and he's found some confidence. You know, I'm not saying there's no world where he could thrive on the left side with say, I don't know, Matthews and Marner. I think there's a world where that could work out, but it's also a world where it hasn't on this team. They've tried them on the left side with a lot of the skill players on this team. And it just never clicked. That's the other part of this as well that I think made them hesitant to do that is it's not just the idea of upsetting the apple cart. It's that you need Max Domi to be a center. So unless what you're going to do is bump Tavares to the wing and Adam Henry, because you're now three C and that Tavares role. And then Sam Carrick is poking around on a fourth line with camp and, you know, whoever else you like as part of that. That's what I think would have ended up happening there. Cause I do think that Ford told me to be the best version of himself. And it's still a player with warts that player. But for the best version of Max Domi, he has to play up the middle on this team. Sean Walker, any regret about the Sean Walker, like Sean, like under a six foot tall guy, like I know the results have been there like, okay, okay. But generally speaking, a player who, a player who kind of bursts onto the scene later in career, having a career year as a defenseman, a part of a team that has a lot of sound structure around them. I could just see that player going from an environment like that to one like Toronto and it not going very well. So he has zero, zero regrets there. The other one, if you're going to talk centers is Wenberg because I think people naturally go there. But I don't know if you've heard this or not. This has been a bit of a topic of conversation. At least I have a second round pick forever. They've actually given away every single one of them into perpetuity. And that's what he went for. So you could have made it work with a couple of thirds or you're throwing a prospect. There's always somebody you want to bend over backwards for exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Is there anybody left that you want to bend over backwards for? And again, taking maybe we'll have the conversation about the guys that are not necessarily obvious trade candidates, which I believe Colton Parrico certainly sure falls into. But of all the guys, like of all the insiders, top 50 available trade targets list, there are any of those guys where you're like, well, that's the guy. I mean, you got to not move heaven and earth because like, obviously there's none of that guy. But yeah, you got to push yourself a little bit. Maybe it is worth giving him a first round pick for a rental of this person. I don't think so. It's so far as the only guy. Yeah, that's for me. But I know it's not a rental. Well, there is one more year you're right. I keep forgetting that. I don't know why I have it stuck in my head that he's on the last year of his deal. And that one I could be talked into, but again, I don't know that like, I don't know, yes, he's an upgrade on Lillegrine, of course. But I don't know that it's a player that also moves the needle, like it upgrades your team, but it doesn't really move the needle for you. I think if you, the reason why I'm I'm liking the Henry move and why it's the one I'm most interested in is not just the position, it's not just the higher end upside of a guy like Henry can he's been there before, but it's the two for one. Like I think if you're doing the first round pick, you want to do your Jake McCabe, Sam Lafferty trade where you get. And I know they got two centers there in that air. The Oilers got two centers in that deal, but in a perfect world, that's what you do. If you're using the first, it's for a center in a defense man or a winger in a defense man. Hey, a couple of defense men, if you want. Okay. Well, then throw a papal bush neighbors into the into the conversation with Colton Pareko, which would be that would be an earth shattering move, right? Twitter loves this thing. And why not, right? You want to talk about your right hand shot defense men, albeit a guy. I love the guys that the contract is so long on cap friendly that you can't fit it on one page that you have to like move the mouse over to the right side and go, when does that end? Oh, 2930. He's making six and a half million dollars as a full no trade clause as well. So this would be something that the blues would have had to have approached him. You would think before they get down the line with this thing and all indications is, I don't know. Careful. Real, so it happened with Jacob Markstrom. You better be careful when you approach these. Yeah. All right. But how do you feel about a guy who's yeah, yeah, aging and by the end of that thing, probably not. I don't know. I was going to say not worth the money, but like six and a half million bucks. What is that? With the cap going up, it's going to be a pittance in 2930. Obviously, Pavel Bouchnovich is helping you score some goals. And he is also under contract beyond this season at 5.8 for next season as well. He's a modified no move. I mean, that's something that, okay, yeah, first round pick, but we're talking beyond that, I think. Unless you look at the Pareko contract as such an anchor or something that the blues are so, they're efforting to get themselves out from under that you view it as almost a negative asset. I wouldn't go that far, but it makes the player a bit of a wash for me in the fact that it's, you can kind of have them if you want him. I don't think that's overstating it to a certain extent. It's not eight million a year. I mean, he makes eight million in cash this year, but it's six and a half. The problem with it is, you know, he's 30, he's going to turn 31 in May of this year. This is a guy who's up there, bigger range of your guys. They generally speaking do not age super well. And because of the length of it, this isn't happening. If you could get, and it's not 50%, but if you get a little retention on that, where you knock it down to five or five and a half even, now we're talking, but this is a player who's going to be on the books until he's 37 years old. And again, he's turning 31 in this, or sorry, 38 years old and he's turning 31 as the playoffs are going to be starting this year. It's possible the least are eliminated by the time this guy turns 31. Okay. So I'm not saying it is a non-starter for me. Butch Navish obviously is super enticing, but the Pareko contract feels like, and this is mean to the player, but it feels like it would end up being our sites of contract of like, yeah, this is a guy's under contract. And then, okay, he's under contract and yeah, Nikita Zaids have that contract is still going on by the way, or this is the last year of it, I think so, I think that's not comparing the players though, because that is best. He's the best defense, but honestly, I'm a Stanley Cup winner. He is a, well, I mean, Patrangelo is there. Okay. But Greg Kruge then came in and kind of filled in that spot. I like what Pareko gives you. It is just, we talk about it all the time. That is a bigger swing because the cap's going up. That doesn't have to be your number one defense, but it's six and a half. But he has to be a, you're among your top three defenders, if he's going to be making that, and it's just the length of the deal, it's really, really tough for me to kind of lock into it. But if you are of the opinion that now is the time to push all in, and it's all about the four year Matthews window, then I think you talk yourself into it because who cares what happens with Pareko's 30 years old? When does it become like an obviously negative asset? And when do you start having the bioed conversation? Is it like, can you get three years where you're like, ooh, six and a half? It's like, okay, it's probably what he's worth, but can you get three years? Like, are you going into the 26, 27 season, whether you're like, ooh, now it's like the TJ Brody situation where it's like, yeah, it's fine that he's depending free agent, in fact. Like, can you get three years out of that thing? And like, should you be thinking beyond three more years with this lease? And again, I know we should think as long as Austin Matthews undercard. Yeah. And I know this is what you would tie, Kyle Dubas up in knots, thinking about the rising cap, but like knock on wood, we are actually going to have a rising cap in the subsequent years, and we won't have another world event that stops that from happening. And maybe Elliot Friedman gets his way where everybody makes the playoffs and the pod just gets amplified even more. And the cap goes up by $20 million in a couple of years. Yeah, that's six and a half. It's not, you know, we're not talking about Eric Carlson's 10 here. No, it's not. It's very different. And quickly, you just did some quick math on, or I did the friendly, well, I didn't do the math. Cap Friendly's bio calculator to the math. I just typed in some dates here. But if the Leafs bought Colton Pareko out after the season of 2027, then they would have a 4.8 cap hit for three more, three more seasons after that, which is not what you want. That's like a whole, well, who knows then, but that's like a whole middle six guy. So you're, you're chopping about two million bucks a year off. Yeah, off for that. Yeah. So I don't know. It's, I could be talked into it. It is not what I'm super bullish on. Pareko is a guy who, again, I do wonder it is, I'm always weary of this and you want players from good organizations. Like you got Jake Buzzin. That was a great trade for you, but when you're trading for a defenseman or any player for that matter that has shy or been so strong in such a well-structured team. And that's what's allowed them to shine. I worry about that coming here because the Leafs have had moments where they're that, but especially this year's iteration of the team, I don't look at them as some lockdown really structured unit and you just wonder how a guy like Pareko say what you will about the Blues. There were a couple winners, but they've never been a kind of, you know, more freewheeling, open it up team. And that's what the Leafs have been at times this year, especially if you got that Dolby Kneelander line. Yeah. They weren't this last year. No, this year is a different deal. Yeah. I mean, I could be talked, I could be talked into it, but I'm not making that call. Is that has how I look at that. You wouldn't be searching that one out. I don't. The Pareko. If it doesn't cost you one of your prospects. Like if there's no. Oh, I think it's just, yeah. If it is. Yeah. If it's like first and Topi Niamola, then yeah, sure, but I don't think it's, I don't think it's just that. Like Booch Navitch is a plus, plus, plus asset who they don't have to move. That's the other part of it. So I would, I'd be all over it if you can do it and you're not giving up the prospects that matter. I just think you're going to have to for both of those guys. If you want. What if it's what? Okay. So obviously the prospects are mad that matter. It's just too. Yeah. More and more. It's like just one. But yeah. There's, there's two. It's like, yeah, there's. Well, hold on. We can't say that. We can't say that. We can't give away first round picks because the cupboard's going to be bare and then look at Frazier Minton as a guy who no matter how out on you, him, you are, it's like everyone thinks you're going to play in the NHL and have a career and be a bottom six guy at the worst. It's like you still need those guys, but yeah, to your point, there's a, there's a big chasm between the two. Yeah. Yeah. I just, yeah, I look at that move being the only one, really, of the remaining, even in those guys, I think Bushnavitch is on the most trade deadline list as a guy that could be available. Yeah. But like you said, they don't have to. And he doesn't modify trade. No trade clause. But like of all the potential moves between now and three o'clock on Friday, that's the only one that's like, oh my God, we're back in the same spot last year with the Leafs all of a sudden with one right or Riley trade put themselves as the Vegas odds on favor to win the Stanley Cup. Yeah, it would be, I mean, just from a entertainment standpoint, I would love a big sexy shakeup trade. I just don't, I'd be shocked if it's going to happen. It's what we talked about yesterday with the idea of wanting to push in your bullets. If you're living at this kind of juncture thing, push in your bullets and push them into the chamber and then fire them. Gotcha. Yeah. You did. I'm assuming I'm using a revolver here, but yeah, a lot of gun talk this morning. Last thing on this one. Why are we even talking about a bio like obviously this is an L.T.I.R. situation at the end. Oh, right. It goes career and he's a maple leaf like horse, but no, but don't you have to consider that they've done that so well and been very effective in convincing players at late stages in their career. Most recently with John Klinger before him, Matt Murray, and maybe those were conversations that had at the outset of acquiring those guys and Matt Murray is just trying to hold on to a career wasn't a free agent, but yeah, obviously like that was a the specter of that happening was very real and John Klingberg, I think you must have had at least some baseline conversation with him about that. Colton Pareko. It's tough to do that when the guy's like waving his no trade clause. You're like, Hey, wave your no trade clause and come here. And then like, if you stink, like we're going to ask you to go on L.T.I.R. at the end of your career. Yeah, that's a little tougher, but you can also see, you know, like if he's a Dominican Spanish version of himself, would he rather, you know, be a bio candidate or trying to hold on to a career somewhere else as opposed to getting to sit in the suite and get a de facto front office job? Yeah. It's just it's so tough. And I agree with you. If you're a front office, you think that way it's just you as a player, could you imagine with seven years left on a contract having someone broach that to you of what do you know, it's like, I don't even know I'm going to have for breakfast tomorrow, stop asking me about this. But yeah, I think as a, as a team, you have to, you have to lean into these things and understand that that's kind of the way the world works now. And just every time we talk about Matt Murray being on L.T.I.R., I cannot stop with thinking of the beginning of the season when they introduce everybody. It's like the guy who gets the fry oil ready, like everybody gets an introduction. And I'd like to think Matt Murray was like, Hey, you know, it's opening night. Can I shave up? They're like, Nope. Absolutely not. You have to look as sick and as sad and everything is possible. Crutches. Yeah. Yeah. That is an arm and a sling is great. He looked so hurt. It was wonderful. Yeah. Well, it was wonderful that he was hurt. But like it's a great, it was really gained. They Lewis method acting. I liked it. Good job. I can't wait for that version. Let that like bubbling story as we get closer to the postseason, especially if, I mean, God forbid, but Joe Wall and Elie Sampsonoff don't look like world beaters in the last 20 games. Well, there's no way that can happen. No, I mean, you got a guy with a Stanley Cup ring on his finger, like available, honestly, it is the thing. And I think that every Leaf fan has had two minutes where they have thought about it where Matt Murray riding in on his white horse to save the day after one of these guys gets hurt and the other guy stinks at some point in time and he jumps smart and Jones on the death chart and it's not going to happen. But it's going to happen. As soon as he's healthy, he does that for me. Oh, of course. Of course he does. Although, I mean, like, show some respect to your game one starter. Yeah. That was then. That was in that moment. And I will stand by. Okay. Oh, okay. This one for you. What is more likely Martin Jones or Matt Murray starts a playoff game for the Toronto Maple Leafs this year. I think it's Matt Murray. I do too. I don't think either guy is going to. I don't either appear in a postseason game, but we were not that far away from Matt Murray being active last year in the postseason. I think I heard it. It's weird that happens. Oh, yeah, he's like, we heard explicitly from the head coach like, it's like good to go. And then, oh, no, it's surgery off off you go. I think they like to think they like grease the stairs right after that press conference from them. They're like, Hey, Matt, we're going to take the elevator. Q used to head down those stairs. They're not slippery at all. I swear. Go ahead. Yeah. They tie right. And I tie a rider. I earned him in the knee. Okay. Tonya Harding. Yeah. All right. Before we take the break and talk to our pal, Adnan Burke. Okay. Rematch. Leafs. Oh, yeah. Brilliant tonight. Last chance for the Leafs to get a matter of regular season revenge against the Boston Rowans. No wins in the three previous matchups. Just one regulation or when regulation loss and that came on Monday for one to the Bruins. Tonight I have extra juice for you. Yeah, it does. It doesn't have juice in that it in the grand scheme of things means anything, but it's great to have games that matter. I just saw what you watched that game last night. This will be the exact bolder opposite of that. I hope. It'll feel like it matters. Can't be less entertaining. Well, no, you're you're not well, I don't know. Matthew snap one under the bar and you know, I always love that. But I have a feeling he may do that tonight as well. So I think that these games do have extra juice. It's not a this this should not be, and I'll say this right now, regardless of what happens, even if they lay an egg, it's not a referendum on their season. It's not a referendum on who they are. This isn't a referendum on the postseason. I don't believe that, but you want to see your team get up. You want to see them play in games that matter because they got Montreal on Saturday and it's hey, it's a Montreal on Saturday night and that matters. Sure, but it's also Montreal at this point in time in the season. So I think you need to enjoy and get up for these games that have juice because as we talked about, we thought the least are going to be playing all these important games to get in, not going to be happening. As I said all along, they were always going to be a playoff team. It was never going to be an issue. They're not going to have a lot more nights left like this, especially just with, as you see after the deadline, like they're going to be more clear. There's going to be a clear delineation of teams going for it and teams not. So it's just, there's few and far between of these with what 20, 20 on the nose. Exactly 20. Yeah. So we're going to have maybe five, six more of these the rest of the way. Bruins with 18 games to go this season. I mean, secondarily to that, this is the last four point game between these two teams. You can cut it to five points with 19 games to go and the Bruins will only have 17 to go. Do you want home ice though? Like you can't operate that way, but I don't know that it matters. Well, I can ask you. Sure. Because like obviously the players and the organization is going to say, yeah, we won't finish this high up the standings as we can. Like if it's the same opponent, despite the fact that we're 18, 12 and two at home and 18, six and six on, on road ice, Bruins are pretty good at home. No, they're 19, seven and six. Like we're going to take the home ice advantage despite how we looked against the Panthers at home the last season, but yeah, like I can ask you because yeah, you don't, you don't have to say those things. No. Would you? Okay. Today you have your choice. Do you want to start that series in Boston or in Toronto? You want to start in Toronto still. I know what the road record's been, but you can't just not there, not, not that place, not no, no way, no how. I know it's because your bank has been its own house of horrors for this team in the playoffs, but I, you want to be at home. You do. That's the comfort of your own bed. Boston's got to travel. They're great at home. That has to be weighed into this as well. Boston is, you just showed the record there. They're great at home. You know, they're great on the road though. Yeah, of course they are. They're good too. You know, they're, they're also 17, six and nine way, which is good. I actually, I do think I would take the road games to start like the pressure is always going to be on the sleep team forever and ever and ever until they finally win. But yeah, you do take a modicum of the pressure off when you're the definitive underdog when it comes to the Vegas odds and on the road and like, I know you probably shouldn't think this way as an athlete, but they're only human. You do go into that thing and you're like, oh, let's split, let's split, let's split this thing. Yeah. And it's not the end of the world if you lose game one. Nope. And even if you lose game two, you're like, oh, that's horrible, but you're like, okay, it doesn't start till the team loses on the road. Yeah. No. I actually think the mentality for the Leafs would be better starting on the road. Not serious. I can, I can hear that quick math by my count. They have anywhere between including tonight six to eight games that matter left in the season. Oh, good. So that is, that is all games. You tell me if any of these teams don't count for games that matter, obviously Boston tonight, they got two against the hurricanes. I think those games matter. It's not in the same class, but like that's a playoff team, they matter. They got one against the Oilers. Obviously that one matters. They have two left against the Panthers. Obviously those matter. Yeah. They have one against the Penguins, which is like an asterisk. It matters, but like for other reasons, because it's Crosby and, you know who. And then they have two against the lightning, including the last game of the season. Including the last game of the season. So I think all of those teams, it's going to matter a lot for the lightning. It feels like exactly. So, and it's just, it's still Leafs lightning until it's not. So yeah, that's, that's my quick math there about about seven or eight games that matter left in the year. Okay. Last thing on the home ice advantage thing. Obviously the Leafs Bruins is going seven games. That's, I, I am also okay with game seven being in Boston. Like I'd, I'd, buddy, I've seen too much. I've seen too much. You know, you know what happened last time there was one of those. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But all right. I don't. Yeah, I know. You don't prescribe. I can't, I, I will just wholly state right now, I am not a rational actor when it comes to this. There's a, they could play the game on the moon. I wouldn't feel good about a game seven against Boston. So I, I don't want it like you're right. It gets tight. And if they score, if they get scored on early, that building is going to be as tight as possible here, but that building's going to be raucous if it goes the other way. I, I don't know that that's going to, it's going to feel like it matters a lot, but what's it going to come down to? Same thing it always does. Who gets to stop? That's it. And yeah, is Jake Gardner on the ice? All right. What we come up with? No, Jake, Jake Gardner eats too much of that. Could Matt frat and not have scored on a break away? Though he wouldn't have been having that. When we come back, blue jays back in spring action, uh, in a game you can watch on sports at tonight from Lakeland, Florida, six o'clock on sports net. We'll talk to ad and verke of MLB network from Florida next as the fan morning show continues Ben and his friend gunning sports net five, nine of the fan, big guests and bigger opinions on everything happening in leafs land. He'll get burned, born, be sure to subscribe and download the show on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Ben, morning show sports net five, nine of the fan, Ben and his friend gunning Oscars this weekend. All right, so just going through the best picture nom and knees and how many I've seen saw Barbie. God. Same. I, I can see the holdovers, but I haven't seen it yet. I've heard such amazing things. I've, uh, killers with flower moons so long. Haven't seen that one. So on my show, saw Oppenheimer saw past lives, did not see poor things or the zone of interest. I almost watched Oppenheimer, but it felt wrong to do it on, on my phone. On a flight. Yeah. I was like, maybe that's not the medium. I lost it for a third time on the flight that was just on that one. That's Nolan, right? Yeah. Yeah. That, that one Christopher Nolan wanted me. I don't think that's how he intended his masterpiece to be taken in on a phone via air pods. I don't think so. No, he doesn't even want you to watch it at home. Really? He doesn't even, he doesn't want you to watch it streaming. He wants you to, if you're going to watch it at home, he wants you to own the physical media version of Oppenheimer. Tough. I'll watch it how I want. But I did, I did refrain from watching it on my phone, but part of me was like, that, you know, it's a talkie, right? Like it's like the act. It's a talkie. I know there's like a big one. No, like it's not. It's like, yes. The jazz singer. And then it was, it's Oppenheimer. You know what I mean. It's like the, the action is the dialogue. Like, yes, there's. Was the juice? No, sorry. Oh, no. For me, the juice is the squeeze. No. Like, I, so I was like, yeah, do I do that this way? Cause if there's any, like it's like, you know, I miss the explosion. I'm like, I imagine I'm pretty cool to see, but otherwise, I feel like I could watch, I could watch my boy, Silly Murphy, like chat to somebody on a phone, but I, I refrained. I did. No, we're going with Killian now. Oh, we are. Okay. Sure. All right. Just like Killian Hayes and the NBA. Yeah. All right. We're going with Adnan Burke. All right. I did have that one off the top of my toe. MLB network, the Cinephile podcast from Florida. How's it going? Adnan. And did my movie takes physically paying you? Are you in pain? Having heard my movie opinions. What? No, I was revolted when I heard Silly and I was trying to jump in saying, killing it. I wasn't sure if my audio was there yet, but thankfully Ben jumped in right away. You know, it's my biggest, not my biggest pet pee, but whenever, whenever people mess up actors and stuff, I always do that guy. No, no, it's Killian. You don't offend him. So aside from that, uh, your movie take was fun. I'm glad to hear the, I'm just Ken music. How great would that be in Mark Ronson with the Academy Award and, uh, fellow Canadian, Ryan Costing would be, he wouldn't get the Oscar, but of course he's the guy that's sung it would be, uh, we don't for singing it, which is pretty cool. Yeah. Um, I know you weren't like overwhelmed by that movie as a whole. I feel like he should get it. Like he sung the song. I know that's not how it works, but I feel like he should get it. Get one too. Why not? Yeah. I mean, listen, it's interesting, I would have really clerical in variety about the original song nominees and like the one that they call three of us, I mean, definitely Ben and I saw it was Super Mario Brothers movie and the viral sensation that was Jack Black singing peaches and that wasn't nominated and they said sometimes it's not just even movies popular because Billy, I was just probably going to win the Oscar for her song. What was that made for, which is also from Barbie, but they don't like it when there's too many people involved. If there's five songwriters or more, they only give one statuette. So with peaches, there's actually five songwriters credited, which kind of annoys them. They're like, you know what? Why don't we just have one or two singer songwriters? So to your point about gossiping, it's like, no, it's Mark Ronson and somebody else. You like to just give it to two people. And that's it. Uh, I guess while we're here talking about movies and I, um, maybe we'll get your, your, your best picture, right? Although it feels like it's now fed a complete, right? Like it feels like Oppenheimer is going to run this late. Excellent use of fed a company and absolutely Oppenheimer is going to win picture and director and supporting actor. Those three are absolutely in the bag. I'm going to winning eight overall, which would be the most and slum dog millionaire. I think it wins for score, although it shouldn't. It should be Robbie Robertson, fellow Canadian, of course, uh, 11th collaboration with Scorsese Killers, the far moon, pass away August 9th, it'll be a great tribute to honor Robbie, but he's not going to win. That score for Oppenheimer is pretty powerful. They're going to win for cinematography. I got the winning for editing as well. So it's, it's going to be an Oppenheimer kind of juggernaut, which is pretty fascinating guys. We all know the Oscars don't wait for what they used to, you know, back in 98 when, you know, Titanic came out in 97 and this is the last time you said, well, yeah, really this big, you know, Oppenheimer, almost a billion dollars worldwide box out. It's going to win multiple Oscars. You feel like it's going to be a Titanic type moment, except when Billy Crystal hosted that Oscars, you had 40 million people watching the Oscars, 45 million. This year, if you could get 20, they'd be thrilled. So it's, it's interesting how much it's changed in 25 years, but the good news is you won't hear people saying, well, I haven't seen this movie, everyone's seen Oppenheimer and everybody will have seen Barbies. That's good news right there. Well, and to that point, like, okay, maybe the Oscars aren't back, but it does feel like going to the movies is back. Dune two killing it as well. I don't know if you've done Dune two on the cinephile podcast yet to see it. Dune one was awesome. Like, I'm not, I never read the books, but Dune two was just a feast for the eyes. And certainly when we talk about, hey, dude, Bred seeing Oppenheimer on his phone on an airplane can't do that with any of the Dune movies. Like, you got to go see that and tell me what to do or I will. Don't do that. Okay. Go to the theater and see it in IMAX, but yeah, what would you think of Dune two without spoiling it? Because I haven't seen it yet. Yeah. Just first of all, movies versus TV. I'm completely with you, Ben. You know, when you have a movie podcast, I'll cinephile. I can't tell any times people are telling me, hey, have you seen True Detective? Have you seen the Baron? I go, listen, cinephile is called lover of movies. It's a movie podcast. It doesn't mean occasionally I don't do television of course. I love succession. I love, you know, Kirby enthusiasm. Like, I'll make moments. But the point is TV right now, like you've lost those juggernauts. This is it for curbs. Succession's now done. Barry's now done. Marvellous Mrs. Maisel is now done. This is a big time shows and I don't know what's going to fill that void. Whereas movie wise, you're right. This year was massive. Barbie makes $1.4 million. Well, I know you like it or not, and you're right, I was lukewarm on it. But credit curve is obviously tout, the director, Margaret Robby's a star. Off an hour, Nolan always brings it, especially in this manner. Scorsese masterful film with De Niro DiCaprio, and then he mentioned Dune 2, which is really a tribute to excellent marketing and timing. You know, for years, you'd have these summer popcorn movies, which would be Memorial Day weekend in the States, which is May 24 for us, and it would go to Labor Day, and then the Oscar, it would come on September to December, and nothing worth watching would come out in January, February, March. It would be the spring movies, and you'd say, "Well, it's not going to make a ton of movies. The studio figures will put it out now." Or it's critically acclaimed movies, which really only art house audiences are going to watch. We're doing two that were smart, but you know, why are we going to wait until they're too? Let's just get to jump on this. And normally, January and February, you might have the lag time up like those big Christmas time movies. People are still going to see. Meaning, if Avatar comes out December 21, people are still going to see it in droves well into January. This year, there was no huge blockbuster in late December. So people have really been clamoring for this kind of a movie for months. So really smart marketing by them. Do you need a villain? Again, fellow Canadian amazing director. I really enjoyed it. I saw it at the sneak peak in New York, the Warner Brothers screening. And by the way, just a cool experience to be able to watch it in the Warner Brothers room, because again, you don't have to worry about people talking. No one has their phones on. This is all similarly-minded, you know, highbrow critics who love movies. So we were locked in two hours and 40 minutes, another feast for the senses. And Ben, to your point, but the first one, you know, I feel like I didn't give it a fair chance because I watched it on streaming. You can remember, that was when that horrible idea of Warner Brothers coming into COVID said, okay, let's do day and date release. You can also see in theaters or you can watch it at home. And just to be lazy, I saw it at home and it was well, all those times. I kept being interrupted by, you know, work, family, et cetera. And I'm like, you know, I didn't really give this a fair chance. I liked it, didn't love it. That's what I thought was terrific. It really started to finish everything about it. It felt like Lawrence of Arabia in the sand. It was a cool sci-fi movie, your point. I don't know the source material at all, you know, I like sports growing up. They have time to read a thousand-page book about it, but it's pretty cool. Yeah, that's why, like, yeah, I've listened to a number of podcasts about it. And they're like, oh, well, how can you spoil this? Because the book is out there and everybody knows it. It's like, I don't, I'm actually not going to listen to anything because I have no idea how this thing ends. I have an idea because, you know, it's headed in a certain direction after doing one. Denis Villeneuve, you mentioned, great Canadian director. I don't know, man. He's stacking up. James Cameron is the GOAT, right? Canadian, like, one of the all-time greats. I'll tell you right now, and with still more to come from Denis, give me the Dune series, give me Arrival, give me Sicario, give me Prisoners, give me those, almost over anything that James Cameron has put forth. It's a great point, thanks. What happens is that you see a director when they come out of the gate and you think that's going to be the template for their style of filmmaking. Villeneuve makes a movie called "All Saw These." It comes out of French Canada, it's not only for an Oscar, incredible. I thought it was very powerful. I said, "Okay, he's doing these guys like a Paul Thomas Anderson. He's going to make these small, independent, critically acclaimed films." No, no, no. He's one of the void of, you know, filming the void of Cameron and Nolan. He said, "I'm going to make big, gigantic science fiction movies with huge budgets which critics are going to like and audiences." Oh, well, that was a turn. Like, I didn't expect what I saw in "All Saw These" or Prisoners, which is a great excellent crime drama, great past, huge actman, you know, Jake Gyllenhaal. I wasn't expecting all of a sudden, this guy was going to make a rival, like, oh, he's like Spielberg all of a sudden. He's a grainy and smart, but also in the Dune movies. So I'm with you, man. I think he's a real super talented, I didn't see it coming, so to speak, but I think he's an A-list director. I mean, that Dune budget, I think, was, I believe it was over $100 million, and as you said, it's been a smash. Like, they're going to, there's going to be a Dune 3 at this point, so he really can make his own mark. And when you're a director that can put, you know, butts in the seats, but also people appreciate your movie. That means you're going to hit the home run, so he's a stud. I'm with you. Home run, baseball. All right, let's talk about it. You're in Florida. I don't know if you're planning to make a trip to Jay's camp. I think you're headed to Clearwater to see the Phillies. And those are, like, kitty corner to each other, the Blue Jays and the Phillies Spring Facility. Let's put it this way. Is it safe to say, in all the conversations you're having during the Grapefruit League season, safe to say the hype is over for this Blue Jays team? Well, it may have existed and building up in 2021, and then finishing a game out of the playoffs that, yeah, hey, they could do some things, but we're done that team being hyped. Yeah, I think it's totally true. Ben, and even Boba Schatz commented on it, right? And, hey, you know, we were kind of the media darlings. You guys were picking us down. No one's picking us. It's a different feeling. But we'll use that as motivation, but it definitely is a different feel around that team, at least what experts are saying, and Proctomiers are saying. You know, part of it is the disappointment of being let down. You know, you have high expectations, and when it doesn't happen, it's like a parent to, like, disapproves of a child, you know, okay, well, I'm not going to get fooled again, right? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. You've got to show me now that you're a team that's elite, that's worthy of being shown. I'm going to go check out Denim, you're right, because I was in four Myers for the Red Sox and twins the last two days. Now we're in Port Charlotte for the Rays, and you're right, Clearwater Friday for the Phillies, and I didn't even realize how close they were until I saw him back, but I asked my buddy, John Haley, he's a great kitty, Denim is right there. So, I'm going to go check out Jay's Yankees on Friday at one just to see the complex, and I was texting with our buddy, Erash Medani, he tells me, because Denim for years did not have a good reputation, but they really revamped the area, and I guess the Jay's spring training complex is cool. Tom Burdouche was saying he thought that was one of the reasons why Otani might even go to the Jay's, is that how well Toronto has improved their spring training facilities. So, say that as it will, I'm going to go check out the camp and just see what the environs are like, but yes, I'm with you. Ultimately, people look at that division and go, the Orioles won 100 games, and I got Jackson Holiday coming up with the number one prospect in baseball. I'm going to be here with the Rays, who everybody's discredits and somehow with their arms and their pitching. If they can hold the fort, they're going to be a team of the mixed winning 90 games. I do love their offense, the Rosarade at Diaz, Boravius, et cetera. And then I think obviously the Yankees have improved. You know, Juan Soto's the top 500 in baseball, and Strelman, I think they have a good bounce back season. Rodon, I'm not so sure about his feelers still down by a couple miles per hour, so that could end up just being a tough signing for the Yankees, but anywhere you slice it, the most optimistic Blue Jays fan, I think would say second in the East, I think the most pessimistic would say fourth in the East, but I don't know anyone calling the window division. And that's the big difference for the last couple of years. They felt like the it team, the window division, they can make a run of the World Series. Now everyone's like, well, they'll be the wild card, but a lot of teams are in the wild card, but no one's picking them to really do some damage. And with only two years left to bow with Vlad, potentially, it really is go John. Yeah, I mean, the clock is certainly ticking in a big, big way there specifically with those two guys. I think you kind of answered it in the last answer, but I'll double down on it. Are the Orioles that team now that everyone in baseball keeps turning their minds eye to of the young sexy team and they have more guys coming? I mean, the difference between the Orioles and the Blue Jays is the Blue Jays would have killed for a hundred win season when these guys were at that age having won the division. Are they kind of seen as the next behemoth in baseball that's kind of forming here? Is there somebody I'm, I'm missing off the top of my tongue. You know, I don't think they go quite behemoth only because they don't appear to have the resources of other teams, but they could be a juggernaut in the way that the Rays are in that small payroll, but no matter what we're going to be good, because that's how good our scouting team is, our development team and what we're able to do with our trades and acquisitions. So their challenge is just ridiculous and they're, they're top to bottom. When you look at, you've got cornerstone players, like your Ali Ruchman's and Gunnar Henderson's and those guys are rookie of the years who could be MVPs. And as I mentioned, how are they supposed to be a stud and you've got guys who supplement all over the place. It doesn't matter if it's male castle, hey, small ones. And then pitching. Well, I think what they did getting, getting Corbin Burns was massive. Like that's what a smart team does is that listen, we're not going to be able to go out there and sign Snellum and Comrieur, a big name free agent, but we can flip some of these prospects and go get a dude and Burns is a dude. I mean, that guy's a top 10 starting pitcher in baseball. All of a sudden now the Orioles got the ace, they desperately need it last year and we're not able to get. So he just sets the tone for the entire team now because you've got John Means coming back. I think Brad is just pretty good. Like they lose Kyle Gibson, but not a big deal. He's more of an innings eater like Baltimore is going to be here for years to come. Like that's that's the frustration. I think for the blue chases, you look up and you go, you always know the Yankees and Red Sox will spend. But when both were in Tampa or continuing, oh my God, we can't get a break. And even with Boston, by the way, it was weird being at their camp, because I was there. Obviously great to everybody Alex Corin, but the vibe was bad because Gileto, the news came down that he's going to miss the entire season and couldn't each Tommy John potentially. So like, especially for the J's, that's where the frustration comes in. You go, wait, Boston's clearly vulnerable. Like, I don't know anybody who's not picking them to be last in American League East. We're going to make some moves here. And ultimately for the J's, it's going to be frustrating because Baltimore, I don't even go anywhere for the next three to five years. Yeah. Back to the J's. Yeah. I mean, you talk about the opportunity being there, at least for the Red Sox being, and also ran in the division and, okay, the Yankees adding Soto changes so much for them. But yeah, I don't think we can just gloss over the Carlos Wordo of it all that he looks like worse maybe than he looked last season and he's spring. But yeah, it is miles per hour or down a little bit, giving up a couple of home runs. But that we heard even outside of Otani, right? Before Otani, before that we went down the road with that thing, that the Blue Jays are going to do something. If it's not Otani, something else. And then we see the prices that were paid for Bellinger and Chapman, and that the Blue Jays were never seriously involved in those discussions either. It just felt like we were sold a bill of goods that wasn't ever true with this team. Outside of Otani, Otani was real, and I know it didn't work out in their favor, but obviously Otani was real. But the other guys, like, hey, we're going to make a splash no matter what seemed to not be the case. Yeah, the frustration Ben lies in the fact that if you say, okay, I don't understand this perspective, and I would think that way if I was a fan, like, if you had the wherewithal to spend $600 million on Otani, where the contract offer was, I'm not saying that means you then have to spend $600 million on others. But clearly you have the resources that you're disposing you can spend some of that, right? But clearly, we could get Blake Snell for $6,000 for $150,000. We could have got Bellinger. I mean, the Bellinger thing, now I got to tell you, Bellinger, wait a second. He was right at the table for $3,000 for $80,000, like, oh, my God. Now maybe that's a bit of a hometown disc, and he wanted to go back to cups, but the three of us were talking previously, Boris allegedly was looking for $7,000 to $10,000, which I thought was larceny. And I thought a fair deal was $5,000 for $125,000 for $8,000,000 last year. Look, that was a pretty 20% raise. He's 29. Fiber's pretty good. And I'm like, that, that to me is where you go, okay, we didn't get Otani, okay? It happens. He's a generational player. We can get Bellinger, who's the left-handed with pop, who's just going to fit in so seamlessly in the strong lineup defensively and offensively. And then it was $3,000 for $80,000. I'm like, that is about as teen family as it gets. One year, $30 million, you're opposite, okay, fine. But the J's are trying to win now, so let's suppose he doesn't opt out. You could have had two years of Bellinger, maybe three to, to me, a discount price. That's the one that to me got away, because you could argue the starting pitching is really strong anyways. You don't necessarily have to have a stellar Montgomery, but Bellinger was right through the table. Like, guys, I'm a loser. I'm going the better night going. How do we not get Bellinger? Yeah. Even me, who, I was a little dubious at the bounce-back season he had with the Cubs a season ago, but yeah, for that price and, you know, that term, especially boy, yeah, I would have rolled the dice on Bellinger for a little bit more than that on a three-year deal. Any who, it's all in the rear view mirror, I'm sure, Dalton Varsho will, will, will put up an 850 OPS this year and make us all eat our words. Adnan, always a pleasure, buddy. Thanks for doing this today. Dan, Brent, thank you so much. And shameless plug. I will have to do this and clear water and to eat Friday. I'm driving to Miami for the Academy Awards and every kid dreams of covering the Oscars for Miami because that's where the Dan Levittarts show is. So we're doing a live webcast the entire time on Dan Levittarts YouTube page. So you have better things to do. I want you to watch the Academy Awards, but if you're very bored between four and seven Eastern, we're doing a three-hour pregame and then during the show, doing a watchcast, just like, you know, the National Championship is honored, the Manningcast, and it'll be me and my buddies, the bedlines and David Samson, former Women's President, talking movies. So please just go up on the second screen, okay? You don't go watch it. Just put it on the background. I appreciate it. Dude, I absolutely will tune in. I tell Arias that Samson's going to join you on that thing. That's, that's a like, that's an electric factory. I can't wait for that. Thanks, buddy. All right. Thanks, Brad. Thanks, Brad. Be well. Yeah, you too. I Dan Burke, MLB Network, send a file podcast. Of course, working on the Levittart network as well. And yeah, check out everything he does involving movies because his movie takes are incredible. Yeah. I mean, my personal favorite part of them is that he creates it on a maple leaf scale. To the movie conversation as me, but no, I only, I like a very specific type of movie only. What is that? Basically, just like if it's good fellas or heat adjacent, it's like, that's, that's me. Okay. Well, that feels more in the James Cameron mold, but we've got the Avatar movies, which boy, like take him or leave him for me Titanic it like the visual effects of Titanic is still very rewatchable movie. Leo is handsome. Terminator T2, Noda, the Abyss, some incredible, incredible movies. I will put Denis Villeneuve's resume with the two Dune movies, Arrival, which is one of my favorites. Sicario is, oh, I love me some Sicario prisoners if you haven't seen it and, and you want to like just have your heart beating start to finish like it on that. Just for the record. I think Denis Villeneuve could end up surpassing James Cameron when it's all said and done, but like of those movies, first of all, have you seen them all? Like, I'm like, my brain was melting through you listing half of them like, okay, Sicario, I've seen that. Yeah. It was great. Yeah. I enjoyed it. It was good. Oh my God. How dare I? I know. Look, I'm like blonde. Come on. I am stressed out enough in my life via the Toronto Maple Leafs. I don't need to seek out stress for fun. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. Denis Villeneuve over James Cameron. Okay. Me being very indifferent is like a glowing review of the Avatar movies. I'm not like spending 10 years making movies underwater. Yeah. I have no dog in this fight. All right. So I'll agree with you blindly. Okay. What a good friend I am, honestly. You would never do that. If you had no dog in a fight or take the other side. There's no contrary in you, of course. Yeah. Defacto. All right. Let's see how that continues for this segment. Well, for the Wakenrake presented by Sports Interaction, your homegrown sports book, 19 plus bet responsibly, Leafs, Bruins from Boston. Here's a rarity. Leafs underdogs in the back end of back-to-backs plus 120 in Boston after the Bruins 4-1 victory in Toronto on Monday, the Bruins minus 143, the total six and a half. Yeah. I got a little juice for it, but I like the under minus 125. It's the most confident about here. I could talk myself into the Leafs getting shellacked tonight. I could talk myself into a bounce back for them. I'm just going to stick with the under. This thing, I'm far and away most confident. I mean, the under, six and a half, minus 125. Yeah. The under-caching in three of the last four, Leafs games, I'm not just going to let the Leafs being underdogs pass. Okay. Okay. Even against the Bruins who they have not picked up a victory in three attempts, this regular season against, even though it's on the back-to-back to back-to-backs, I don't care. I do like they're not going to get swept. I do like that. Yeah. No. Give me the Leafs a plus 120. No. During the regular season, there's not much separating the Leafs and the Bruins, people. Okay. Give me the Leafs a plus 120 in this hockey game. That was the Waken Reich presented by Sports Interaction, your homegrown Sportsbook 19 plus bet responsibly. When we come back, we'll talk to SportsCenter's Leafs reporter, Luke Foxnax is the fan morning show continues. Ben Anis, Brent Gunning, Sportsnet 590, the fan.
