[MUSIC] >> Good morning, chill sports at 5-9 in 5-9, man, that's a great honor to know what I feel for today. >> Bob Nightingale. >> It's a rough one. >> Bob Nightingale. >> Who every week seemingly in his MLB News and Notes article on USA Today will mention that a bullshit is talked to some bodies, some golf pals, friends and family. They all know he's out of here, he's not gonna be a Bluejay. The first opportunity he gets, which may be true, maybe Bob Nightingale doesn't care. >> He'll get the last laugh. >> He doesn't care. He believes in his sourcing over the man himself speaking explicitly because that's what happened. Cuz the huge part of the differentiation between the belief that Vladimir Guerrero Jr. is gonna be a Bluejay long term in Bob's shed is that not once is Vlad ever deviated from hey man, I wanna be here, I'm a Bluejay, I would love to be here forever. Never once has he said anything, I mean he even played to the family, he said I'll never be a Yankee. >> This is true. >> I mean he has once said hey, would you be a Yankee if you were for a certain, he's like I guess. >> Yeah, he kind of walked back that one, but that was the only time other than that. >> It's like I'll play where they send me, I suppose. But yeah, he has been on message, no deviation. >> It's true. >> Bo, does not, now part of it is Bo doesn't talk as much, he's not as verbose. >> Well, I mean, if only we were the Giants broadcast and it may be, you know. >> Yeah, there's that part too that, yeah, he's been asked about other organizations like they just do it right there, specifically the Giants. >> Okay, he's also was asked, and he answered honestly. And I guess we maybe shouldn't have made a big, as big a deal as we did. But he was asked by Hazel May, hey, would you be surprised if your trade is like no, no, no. >> Generally speaking, people told me this a lot in life, don't ask a question if you aren't gonna like the answer. >> Yeah, but for the first time, to my understanding, he has said that he wants to be Bluejay forever. This is from Shydiviti's latest, and we'll talk to Shydivi later on this hour. >> I would just like to thank him for dropping this literally the moment we were talking to Ben Nicholson Smith yesterday. >> They really didn't, could not have worked out any better. >> This is great, this is very newsworthy. >> This company synergy is what that is. >> Yeah. >> When I had time to think about what I want, basically my ultimate goal really is to play with Vladi forever. To win a championship with him, and to do that with this organization. So there's no parsing there, it's like my goals are to play with Vladimir Guerrero, Jr. And to do it with the Toronto Bluejay's, do you believe him? >> I do, but I think believing him can take a lot of different shapes. Like I think people will hear that and go, the people who want to live life, and God, I wish I could be you people sometimes. With just the rosiest colored glasses and they go, that's awesome, nothing to worry about. He's signed up at 11 next year, and then after that, the two sides will sink goodbye on, come together on a nice long term deal. And him and Vlad could be one and two forever, and they can go on the level of excellence. They're sure, I think this is just as much about a guy, seeing the tea leaves across baseball at how quickly somebody who feels a absolute guaranteed mortal lock to get a contract worth hundreds of million dollars. Sometimes that doesn't always happen. Sometimes it just takes one or two bad years, and it doesn't happen. And I don't care what happens in the next 10 or 12 games or whatever, Boba Shedd had a bad year. And that's what I take. I look at this as a guy who is fine with being a J. I think he'd be happy to do it. Do I think he's the same level of happy and want as Vlad? No, quite frankly, I do not believe that. But I also see him saying, there's a needle I can thread here where I can be in a spot where I am happy. Maybe it's not the happiest I could be. Is it the dream scenario? Maybe not. He said it's the dream. Okay. Sure. This is how I look at it. As a guy who has seen the way free agency deals have gone across baseball, he's a year and change away from his and maybe it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to throw away a potential suitor. So he feels like a straight shooter. Like Boba Shedd doesn't speak a lot, but yeah, he's not afraid to speak his mind. Again, said I wouldn't be surprised if I was traded, talked big up to the San Francisco Giants, he will, I don't think he plays games. I really don't, maybe I'm being naive. I think he just calls it like he sees it and part of that, the reason it hasn't necessarily got him in a ton, because he doesn't call it at all. Like he's really, you don't hear from him a ton, but that being said, I think what you said is also true that it's like an interesting point in his career to be having these thoughts espoused publicly. Yeah, where was that in the last year? Right. It'd be, hey, Vlad, it's having the best year of his career, still saying it. Said it when he was the guy. Yeah, if anything, they should be flipping switches here. Yeah, Vlad, on message, whether he's in 2021, having a career year or 2022, not as good or 2023, when it's really not looking good, or 2024, when again, he's having a career year. Boba Shedd, nothing, nothing, nothing. One of the best hitters in the American League by number of hits, the best hitter in the American League a couple of times. Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. Worst qualified hitter in Major League Baseball then gets hurt and headed into the final year of team control now, says it. There is, there's a something to that, like that can't be ignored, so that is happening. But here are the scenarios, right, at play this offseason, and one of the most interesting, like, hinge point moments in the history of the franchise. Mass, because you do have two potential franchise icons that are hitting into the final year of their team control. So, let's just talk specifically about Bo here, because we're talking about Bo. Sure. So, here's the, there's three scenarios, generally speaking, when we're talking about Bo Shedd. One, seemed like the most likely, and maybe is the most likely, you move off of him in trade this offseason, because you don't believe in your ability to sign him, and/or you think you can better allocate your resources. Because it's going to be huge sum of money to sign him up to whatever deal he's going to be looking for. So, maybe you decide that whatever 30 plus million dollars a year is better spent some somewhere else, and also, you just really like what you're going to get in trade. That's one scenario. Okay. Another scenario is, you just let the season play out, well, you roll the dice next offseason, that one seems like just an impossible. Like, if you're doing, that is almost franchise malpractice, if the Blue Jays just roll into 2025 with, with Boba Shedd, just unsigned and, hey man, maybe you're still talking contract during the year, or maybe you hope and/or believe that you can, you can outbid anybody else for his services when he is, just a free agent to the end of the next year. That seems like a bad idea, but that is one of the scenarios. The third scenario is the one that people are thinking about after this comment, is that you sign him to a huge extension, that may be onerous and there's huge risk involved, you know, inciting anybody to the deal that Boba Shedd is going to require. But yeah, you sign him to this huge deal, and again separating Vladimir Guerrero Jr., but you make a bet on Boba Shedd for the next decade, that he is one of the cornerstones of this franchise going forward. And that you have the capability of building around him and/or Vladimir Guerrero Jr. I can't live with one of the best homegrown players just departing for nothing. I can't live with the Mookie Betz trade, where it's like, you think you got something, but you got nothing, and then you wave goodbye to a potential MVP. 'Cause I think that's probably, if you trade Beshette this winner, it's probably that. That's probably it. >> Do I want the Blue Jays to be totally hamstrung because they're paying Boba Shedd $30 million, damn, he just fell apart, wasn't that guy. And can't play shortstop, and it looks like the George Springer deal sooner than we ever anticipated. That's a hard scenario. >> I can live with that scenario more than the previous two. >> Yeah, I think you're right, though. The one quibble I would have is that this is where the playing poker comes into it, and how much do you believe it? If you are of the belief that Beshette means what he says, and he's a straight shooter, and you, again, there is budgets for everything. But also, I think I think a budget for baseball teams is like budgets when you've taken out a loan to renovate the house. It's like, there's a budget, but you're already doing it. So it's like, all right, we'll get a little more money, maybe do a little more. I look at this with Beshette as, yes, you understand the price is what it is, and you understand if he goes out and balls out, and has an incredible season next year, and the Blue Jays are winning, the price goes up from what you maybe could have had it at this offseason. But I still think that is a likely scenario that you go in next year with him in the walkier of his deal, and you do let it play out, and I think so much of that, but I think so much of that, then you're looking at a scenario where you're overpaying him or. >> You're overpaying, here's the thing, you're already at that point. This offseason, it doesn't matter if Beshette and looks like the same crappy guy that he was this year, for the first time in his entire year, having a full season of crap. Now, part of that is he was hurt, right, I didn't truly have a chance to resurrect his career, but it got to the point that it went beyond 2022. We were past where he turned his season around in 2022 when Boboshette was still playing, and he still didn't look like the same guy that led the American League in hits. It doesn't matter though, he plays shortstop, and there is proof of concept there, okay, one half a bad season does not a career make. So I guess the deal he's going to be pointing to is the Corey Seager 10-year, $325 million deal. Now, Corey Seager quite good, as you may recall, and a better offensive player than Boboshette. But so what, that was a couple of years ago, like the price of doing business is going up. >> Yeah, and this is fair for Beshette to say that, also fair for me to say this. He's had some large moments and gives it matter quite a lot. >> Yeah, no, is it Boboshette's fault that this, I mean, yeah, you're right. He was involved in one of the plays that might have, you know, sliding doors, but at that point, the lead was already, like, on the verge of being blown anyway. >> It was because of that, but it's like, we can't sit here and say he hasn't been in the crux of one of those moments. >> Yeah, and despite all the runs put up in that game, he wasn't a huge part of it either. >> No, it wasn't getting picked off at second though, you're right. >> Yeah, no, Corey Seager was good, is good. >> Better than Boboshette, but you don't think Boboshette's using his deal as a comparison? I don't think it's unreasonable to have Boboshette and his agent in a room across the table from Marcheboyo and Ross Adkins saying, I want 10 times 30. I want $300 million, that's where we're at already, despite the fact that he had a down year and despite the fact that, yeah, he's not the world's greatest defender at shortstop. We're already at that point. It is going to be an owner's deal and one that carries tremendous risk. You know what's riskier though, is you hit on one of these guys, right? Second round pick, Boboshette, you hit on Vladimir Guerrero Jr. And you sign him to the big signing bonus, and he turns into an MVP candidate. And they leave, your franchise doesn't recover from that, it really doesn't. >> And I know we're all, listen, the Leafs are in a similar spot with Mitch Marner, totally different because it's a cap league as opposed to an uncapped league. >> And well, and we believe one of those guys would like die to play for one of those teams and the other one, you know, plays for the guys. >> Yeah, and I know that it's, yeah, it's a near decade of just like playoff failure after playoff failure. But just telling you that it seems like it happens all the time because they both arrived at the same spot. And William Nieland or two, but like it does not happen that you just, in your lap, drafted and developed MVP caliber players, which Mitch Marner is, he's not an MVP winner. But like he is of that caliber of player that you draft those, and especially when Mitch Marner's not a 1-1, like awesome Matthews, it seemed like that, he was born to be that guy. >> So let me give you another hockey comparable. It's like, think of how we think of John Tavares, right? Like we think of him as a very nice player. We don't think of him as like MVP caliber, true number one, number one, like when we're looking at McDavid, McKinnon, and look how the aisles fans felt about losing. >> Yes. >> Right, like that, like that's the example right there. >> Yes, you do not recover when you do the thing that is the most impossible thing to do. Even when you do have like a 1-1 in John Tavares is like draft the right guy. And then have him fulfill all the promise, exceed it, in the case of Boboshette as a second round pick. And then fulfill that destiny in the major leagues. Now he's had a horrible year when he was healthy this year, has not been healthy, and maybe this is the start of the decline. I think I would take the longer sample of the rest of his career over whatever he did this year. You don't recover when you trade that for jitter downs and whatever, poo poo platter. >> Do go who's allergic to his tattoos. >> Yeah, and like at least the Red Sox, I mean, and maybe that's the comparable here is like the Red Sox watched how horrible that played out. Now there was a separation in time where it's like, oh, we have one more guy. >> Oh, Sandra go, Sandra Bogart's still in the meantime as well. >> Yeah, I mean, they had three of those guys and they watched two of them depart and then they were up against the wall when it came to Raphael Dever's and they gave them the money. And it's also the Red Sox, I guess they, and I don't know, it hasn't happened recently, but I think at some point they're gonna get back to being one of the big spenders in major league based on another hundred year drought, I don't think. >> Yeah, you just, you don't recover when you have somebody that is willing to sign with you if you pay the price, like nobody's taking any hometown distance, like the time for that has passed. >> Long gone. >> And you missed your window on that, but you don't recover if you just watch those guys go for either nothing or what you think is something but is more likely a lottery ticket. >> Okay, there were two names you mentioned in there, and I think they're just as important to the conversation as Vlad and Bo, and it's Ross and Mark. >> How much does it change depending on who's calling the shots this off season? If you're a new GM and you're like, it's like, and the front office is completely different, let's say, Shapiro takes one of these jobs that have been rumored about or whatever, and it's completely clean slate. How much does that change things? Do you think from a new front office versus this one making a decision? >> Yeah, God, it's tough, right? >> Outside of Brad True Living, I mean, what are the examples of executives stepping into the chair and immediately signing someone up to a long term deal? >> Hey, I know the last guy just got fired because it's no good here, but >> God, I love these pieces you got, I love them. >> That's why, I mean, there's so many different reasons why this off season is intriguing from a Blue Jays perspective, but not the least of which is, yeah, Mark Shapiro, is he gonna? >> Be insulted by not being given a contract extension, and if there's a new person in charge of this front office, do they immediately step into contract negotiation with Vlad and Bo and say, I'll give you whatever you want for as long as you want, let's just do this. >> God, it is funny and like, you're right, like he's, Shapiro's allowed to, you know, like, given the way he's been courted apparently about other things, like he should think that way. But we get so mad at Dick Robertson for saying, like, I'd like a trade, and it's like, how dare Mark Shapiro say, how dare I not have a contract extension, given what the main thing is here. >> Yeah, like all the other stuff, good, like I don't, I don't disbelieve all the things we hear about the business. >> I love the ballpark, but the Blue Jays can play at Christie Pits if they want 120 games, like that'd be great. >> Well, I mean, you say that, like it's not the best time ever down there, oh my God. >> Sick, the Blue Jays should have a, like, we used to do the old, like blue, white leaf scrimmage and stuff, it's like, just give me an all-star game at Christie Pits, sorry to all the businesses on the, I guess, outside of Blue are there. >> Yeah. >> And taking a beating. >> Last thing on this- >> Can we get a Paul Spaldjerk there? >> Yeah. >> Last thing on this is like, no one will remember this in like six years' time when, like, Boba Shedd has been awful. And being paid $35 million a year and has like, it's like the Chris Davis contract, and we're like, oh my God, there's still another four years left on this thing. But yeah, that is a realistic possibility for any of these guys. That's what happens with any long-term big money deal. There is a level of rolling the dice. >> Yep. >> I could live with that scenario. I'm saying that now. >> Yeah. >> And then it not crippling the Blue Jays' financial structure and him being just unplayable at shortstop and having no real, and he's like limping around in left field in like 2030 with $100 million. >> God, why are you saying about this? >> I'm just saying that- >> No, you're not wrong. >> That is a possibility, right? >> Very cool. >> And who didn't view the Vernon Wells deals like, oh man, seven years? It's going to be a Blue Jay for his entire prime as an incredible coup. >> Yeah. >> And it was like, oh my God, you found a taker for that thing? >> Yep. >> Unbelievable. I understand. >> Okay. >> Give me that risk as opposed to the risk of the Mookie Beth Strait. If I was Blue Jay, I couldn't live with the possibility of shipping off a guy who was essentially found money. Second round pick turning into one of the best hitters in the American League in most seasons in which he's been fully healthy. >> Well, and I've made this point a bunch, but I'll make it one more. I do still think there is such a value to if those are the two guys that you build around and they're the pillars of your team, of them being complete yin and yang to one another. I think there's a real value- >> It's interesting that they appear to like each other so much. They seem very different. >> Yeah, opposites attract. Have you never watched a rom-com before? >> That's true. >> That's how these things go. I actually, I think we get so bogged down into like, should it be a fun team where Vlad is empowered? Or should it be a team of no smiles where Bo is walking around like, hey, zip it, lock those lips shut. I don't want to see any teeth in this dugout. Like, no, it's a long season. You need both. It's a perfect world if they're both like that. >> Yeah, I mean, that's the other thing that makes it unique, right? It's like the Red Sox had mookey bets and they had Zanderbo guards. Then they had Raphael Divers. It's like Blue Jays have Vlad and Bo at the same time. >> Yeah, exact time. >> At the exact same time. And what does that do? Like, can you do one before the other if you intend on doing both? Can there be a difference in pay? Like how are those two viewing it? >> Like, that's the question there. >> Can you get them both in a room and say, hey, matching 10 year $300 million. >> I was going to go the other way. It's like, here's a pile of money. You two fight over it. But yeah, I guess I guess that's the nicer way to do it to just split it down the middle, I guess. >> All right, before we take a break, let's do a couple NFL true or false. >> Yeah, I meant to amend that. True or false sounds so much worse than factor fiction. >> Okay. >> So we'll stick to factor fiction here. I think we're going to do these like every Monday coming out of NFL, maybe it'll be Tuesday. So we have the Sunday night or there. Well, you know, with a lie detector test, they like get you to just like answer this one just to get a baseline for if the machine is working. So we'll start there. >> Okay. >> And tell somebody beat some the chiefs of the team to beat in the NFL. True or false? >> True. >> Okay, good. This thing's on this thing's working. >> Just had to just had to make sure it was just your name. >> Yeah, we just said to check. Okay, like we just wanted to make sure this thing is working. Okay. True or false? >> No. >> Back to fiction. >> Damn, bangles fan should be panicking after a week one lost the Patriots factor fiction. >> Fiction. >> Okay. >> I mean, they do this routinely. Now, yeah, it's it's cost them, right? I get times and especially if Joe Burrow is only healthy for the first half of the season and you lose all those games. Also like that Patriots defense again is criminally underrated Jamar chase T Higgins like those guys. >> Bottled up. >> Yeah. And yeah, again, like the off season that they had. No, I think the Bengals will be fine. That's maybe the toughest division and like the Browns have been eliminated already after week one. But yeah, no, I wouldn't be happy if I was a Bengals fan, but I wouldn't be freaking out. We've been here before. >> Yeah, I don't think it's reason to panic because of the loss to the Patriots. I think it's reason to panic because of like, I know a bad vibe season when I see one as soon as I saw Joe Burrow looking like, yeah, I don't know what was going on there and all like that Jamar chase is squawking after the loss. Like it's one thing to be squawking before the loss, but to be complaining after it. Yeah, I didn't like that. So I'm a little more on the that is fact than otherwise factor fiction. Jalen hurts and the Eagles are back. >> I think that's fact. >> Me too. >> I really do. Like I know, I just said, hey, Aaron Rodgers had one amazing drive and I think he's capable of being more than the quarterback, the Jets need. And they're going to be a playoff team. And I don't care that he missed some short throws. I honestly just needed to see one game where they beat a good opponent. And I know who say Juan Barkley had a game. >> Yeah, all the offense, yeah. >> He was provided both of it, all of it. But that's yeah, that's what you brought him in to do. And he is the safety blanket. And yeah, Jalen Hertz didn't overwhelm, but now I think they're back. >> Okay, I agree with that. We'll stick with that game, factor fiction. The NFL Friday game was amazing. And we should have one every single week. >> Well fact, just because like, I don't listen, it's probably not great for player safety. To have a game on my body day of the week. Listen, I don't, my child isn't in the NFL. Maybe I'd feel differently, although I'd be ecstatic he was in the NFL. But no, give me a game every single day of the week. It's going to feel like a million years to wait until Thursday, which by the way, we have another good Thursday night or we got Bill's dolphins coming up on Thursday. But yeah, it's gonna feel weird when it's like, all right, football back. And then Friday with no football? >> No, I know. >> Yeah, Friday at least, right? Saturday we can leave it to college, I suppose. >> Yeah, not I suppose. It's like, although I do this every week. >> They're going to compete against college though. >> I do this every year with college football, where the first three weeks or two weeks come back and the NFL isn't here yet. And I go, am I a college football guy now? And then like, I'll watch the big games, but then by, I don't know, like November, all the way out. >> Yeah, just every, without fail, I do this every single year, I go, wow, I don't know how it happened. I love college football and I do. But then I immediately check out by the time I have like actual stakes and understanding of the NFL in like November. >> No, I hear you. Yeah, no, give me more Friday again. All right, you want to do one more? >> Yeah, last one. The AFC East is far and away the best division in football. >> God, it's tough after yesterday's performance. I thought the same thing. And I had like when Aaron Rodgers was driving down the field and converting all his third and seventh, I really did think that that was a possibility. Let's not go nuts with the Patriots thing too, right? >> No, no, they're not a part of this in my world. If I do think that's fact and they're not, they're just like a non-factor in it for me. >> But there's a crappy team in every division. There's no, there's no totally flawless division in football. I mean, would you, could you make a case for the NFC North? I mean, the bear is born on this. >> Yeah, I'm going to need to say a little more from the bears and Vikings before I say that. >> Yeah, it's about the high end of the three teams. Because I think the other one you could make the case for heading into it was the AFC North, but then the Bengals looked the way they did. And I mean, the Brown Browns are like, maybe the seats are over already somehow. They're going to bring back Flacco or whatever. Matt Ryan, pull him out of the booth, literally just any other sentient being, other than Deshawn Watson. And I mean, like the Ravens were not going to doubt them, but it's tough when they lose week one. So, yeah. >> Yeah, and there's so many questions. I mean, I think the Chargers did like their Jim Harbaugh thing week one. But yeah, I think the Raiders and Broncos potentially stank. >> Exactly. >> Although Sean Payton just never like fully goes full stanko. >> No, it's about the three high end or two and a half high end to the AFC East. >> Yeah, I think you're right. >> Okay. >> I think it's, I think it's the toughest division in football. Yeah, we know the Dolphins are maybe fatally flawed, but they're an exciting and explosive offense. The Dolphins are the elite bad team. >> Yeah. And I do think the Jets, if they get Chromulent quarterback play, which I think Aaron Rodgers is more than capable of doing, are going to be a playoff team. Like, I think very reasonably having three playoff teams come out of that division with, yeah, maybe the Patriots being what seven, eight wins? >> I think they're a classic spoiler team. They like win five games, but they have like three win losses that are wins to them. >> Yeah. >> They'll be near 500 because there's not 16 games and it's, you can't be 500 anymore. >> That's true. >> I hate it. >> Good factor fiction. >> NFL. >> The NFL doesn't have a, doesn't have nice round numbers for us anymore. And I have to check my math when I do these records. Fact. >> That's terrible. >> Awful. >> Yeah. >> Good job. >> Thanks. >> Not true or false. That was fact. >> Yeah, NFL. >> What a bad segment, true or false is, but factor fiction elite. >> Yeah, that's very original. Good job. >> All right, well, we'll come back. We'll talk to the man who got that exclusive with Boba Shett, shy to be next as the fan morning show continues, Ben and that's Brian Gunning, sports F59 to the fan. >> Big opinions and in-depth conversations covering the Leafs, J's, Raptors, and the NFL. >> The J.D. Bunkins podcast. Subscribe and download the show on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. [MUSIC] >> Fan morning show, sports F59, the fan, Ben and his friend Gunning. Blue J's continuing their series against the new Metropolitan's tonight at Roger's Center and then afternoon game to wrap up the series tomorrow before and off day on Thursday. And then St. Louis Cardinals come to town for three games said no doubt Jerry Seinfeld will be watching tonight's game and tomorrow's game noted Mets fan as I still like, I can't help it. Even with Francisco Lindor making the many millions of dollars and the payroll still being sky high. Viewing the Mets is this likable underdog. They better enjoy it. It'll be fleeting. The second they go from good to undeniably good, that will end immediately. They will not be the Kansas City Chiefs who are allowed to be loved and great at the same net. That will never happen. They will immediately go back to junior evil empire. But this one fleeting moment in time. Underdog lovable Mets. >> They were a couple of feet away from Leo Jimenez walk off to around Homer against Edwin Diaz in the night inning as well yesterday. All right, this insider is brought to you by Don Valley, North Lexus, where you can expect excellence online and in the showroom, visit Don Valley, northlexus.com. Today's insider shy to Vidi. How's it going, shy? >> All right, zoom, guys. >> Good, good scoop, good, good exclusive with Boba Shet saying that, yeah, he would like to spend the rest of his career with this organization playing alongside Vladimir Guerrero, junior. This does feel like something we've never heard anything like from him before, right? Like, is that fair to say that this is unique when it comes to quotes coming out of Boba Shet's mouth? >> Yeah, and I think it doesn't necessarily mean that it's just something he hasn't thought before. It's just something that he hasn't put out there publicly before. And, you know, he had some time to just think about things while he was home recovering from the calf injury. And during that month or so, he was away. It was during the trade deadline. And so he obviously heard and felt the speculation that had been around him. And I think he understood that it was the likelihood of him getting moved was extremely low. Essentially, if some other team would have to really just force the Blue Jays hand. So, you know, he understood that he probably wasn't getting moved, but it's still, it hits, right, when you've got the possibilities or suddenly a little bit real. And, you know, I think that he made the point to me that, you know, for years and years, he and Vladimir Guerrero, junior, have talked about playing together and their careers and winning titles together with the Blue Jays. And, you know, he really felt that that's what he wants. They call it his ultimate goal. And I thought it was pretty interesting hearing him speak from the heart like that, because it's not something he usually does. It's very interesting hearing him speak from the heart like that. I would also think the timing of it is very interesting. I mean, maybe it's that he is around more. Like you said, he's obviously had an up and down year regarding injuries. But it's also interesting hearing this, you know, heading into an off season where there was already going to be a lot of attention on Vlad. What, if anything, do you read into the timing of these comments from Bishop? Well, look, he's just rejoining the team now on the news on our beginning to rehab assignment today was putting the final stages prep for that rehab assignment over the weekend. And these are, it's just, this is when it happened, right? He did good away. He's back with the team. He appreciates it. You know, he talked a bit, prepared a bit about how much he missed, found himself realizing how much he missed just playing and being away from the game, you know, makes you can make you think a little bit. And again, I just think because of the factors, because some of the speculation that's been around them, obviously, there've been a lot of people who believed certain things about his intentions or were reading, perhaps incorrectly, what his perceptions or plans were. And so he's just, I think he, like, he did a lot of reflecting, not just about the future also, but his season and his role on the team and things of that nature. And so, you know, I think the timing is, yes, the off season is coming up, but also this is just when he's on the verge of returning. And I think that's probably the key factor there more than anything else. Yeah, he's just, he's having the worst year of his career, right? Like, we didn't hear this after a couple of years in which he was the American League leader in hits. We heard it every year, no matter how we perform from Vladimir Guerrero Jr., it's interesting that that in the midst of his worst year of his career, we're hearing this from Bobi Shep. But that being said, like, he does have a long track record of being great. And I don't, I think he's going to be great again. I think he's going to be up there among the American League leaders and hits next season. But I don't think it's a guarantee by any stretch of the imagination. But what's the riskier play here, Shy? Because, like, if you do sign him up long term, you're not getting a discount because he had one bad year where he's hurt, right? You're going to have to pay him what, what elite offensive shortstops get, which is, hey, there's no, you know, I remember, I'm old enough to remember when I was like, oh, will Vlad get 300 million? And then we passed that Rubicon like 100 years ago. That was never a question with Bobi Shep. So Corey Seeker is a better player. But I think there's a comparable there, 10 years, 325 million. What are you likely are to regret or what's the riskier play signing up bow to that type of deal or trading them away and hoping against hope that you get some franchise transformational return? Well, look, you can look at the history of those types of deals. And you don't, usually get the transformational type player. Keter Downs, where is he? He's like, he's a Walmart greeter now. I don't, where is he? Exactly. That's exactly the comp of us going to make the the Mookie bats one. It's like, it was one year of control. Like, those deals usually don't work out for teams, right? Like the gold standard in some ways would be the partolo cologne returned. That creative side is more bread and solips and cliff Lee, like that. Well, they should just do that. Yeah, just do that with a hard group. Yeah, but, you know, teams teams are smart. They unless unless the epic epic mistakes, you're not you're not pulling off that that the deal. And the circumstances, you need a franchise that is just a doing what it can't to win before it disappears into the ether, which is where the expos were at that time. So that deal isn't out there. And so if you're trading Boboshette, you're not in all likelihood getting this transformational return. Maybe you get a piece or two that help, but then you may have to watch Boboshette side in the extension with another club and then perform really, really well the way that's has with the Dodgers and Red Sox continue to eat it about that decision. So that I think ultimately comes down to look, what are you what are you doing with the franchise? What's the direction? And it's if you really want to compete and you really want to keep to cornerstone players, then you're saying, okay, we're going to commit to building around Guerrero and Beshette for the next decade. And then we're going to support that and make sure that we're leveraging those contracts. And if you're not sure about those players or you think that the price is too rich, you could do it another way, then you're trading them away or one or both of them. And then just saying, okay, we're just going to, it's getting to cat in a different way. Yeah, there's there's always many different different ways to do it when they're having these conversations with Beshette. And I mean, look, if a player of his ill could despite the way this year's gone has has these public comments, you're going to at least have a discussion with them. Hey, what's the long term deal look like for you? How much do you think a part of that discussion would be the inevitability? Maybe I see it that way. Maybe the team does maybe maybe less so of eventually moving off that position. I mean, so much of respect in this game is, yeah, it's the money you are paid. But I mean, we know how short stops feel rightfully so about playing that position. It's important to their identity. Bo has talked about being willing in the past to move off, but also kind of what the undertones of for the right guy. I'm not doing it just for anybody. Do you think if there is some long term deal to be had that that would be part of the conversation as well as not by any means immediately moving him off short, but understanding that there's probably going to be some aging out of that position? I mean, I think it would depend on like how near it is on the horizon, right? If you're thinking, okay, we're moving you the next year or two that you've got to really be straightforward and not switch a player. But if this is something you're thinking about five or six years down the road, you're not going in the way like, hey, we're expecting this to happen five or six years down the road. Ultimately, the thing that I don't know people can fully get about Bo is just his singular devotion to winning. A lot of people kind of said and talked about how he's looked miserable or whatever this year. It's like he's struggled and the team struggled. That is the ultimate recipe for Boboshette to be miserable. He does not lose well, and I want guys on my team who don't lose well. I want guys on my team who hate it when they don't lose well or hate it when they lose, excuse me. I think that if he got to a point where you're going to get a short stop that's better than him and he was going to be better or it's going to make it a pathway to win more, then that's going to be cool. There was a few off seasons back where it wasn't the Lindor off season. It was a different off season where the Blue Jays had an opportunity with a bigger name short stop and I can't remember who it was at this point, but I talked to Bo and he said that he would have been willing to move for a certain player. So Bishette wants to win. That's it. He just wants to win so badly. He wants championships. He wants to win World Series. If the Blue Jays are doing something that is going to help them get there, then I don't think he's going to stand in the way of that. Is there a comparable to the situation the Blue Jays are in right now in franchise history? I go back to the Vernon Wells seven-year extension that he signed, but he had already spent like he was already what 30 by the time he signed that extension. I mean, Carlos Delgado, same deal. Like when the Blue Jays decided not to resign him and the Marlins gave him that deal, he was in his 30s, but like drafted and developed guys where the Blue Jays have had to either sign up long term or walk away from those are the first two that come to mind. Roy Halliday eventually just went like the team was no good, right? And he almost didn't fault him for wanting out of town, but is there is there a comparable to and certainly not like two guys that are in the same contractual situation at the same time this offseason, but we're talking about two MVP candidates, one that is finished second in an MVP awards race and another guy that's finished is the leading hit getter in the American League twice and both have contractual issues to resolve. Can you is there like a comparable in the history of this franchise? No, and like I was actually trying to think like is there a comparable in the game where you had two talents like this eligible for free agency at the same time, like on the same service time clock and it's a really unique and you know, some of the examples you mentioned there. I mean, Halliday did sign two extensions with the team before he had been traded away. Fernwell's did two deals. He did a pre-Arb deal covering his arbitration years and then he did the second extension. Delgado did one extension before he ended up departing. And so, you know, the team's been in this position with franchise players, but it's been one and not necessarily two at the same time. And that is exceptionally unique because like, you know, in an ideal world, the Blue Jays would have managed to stagger the service time extensions of Bishette and Guerrero so that you weren't facing an off-season where both are free agents at the same time. But it happened the way it happened and here the Blue Jays are facing this absolute, you know, huge pivot point in franchise history. So it's a pretty unique situation. And, you know, to be fair, Blue Jays is a pretty challenging one, right? Like, these aren't simple contracts. And so it sets up a really big off season, both really just a challenging year, depending on how things play out this winter. Yeah, it's tough and boy, you really feel for them, except like they could have done what everybody else did, which was like, pay your guys beyond their years of team control and, you know, take on a little bit of risk and maybe it was just they weren't amenable from the player side of things. But it just seemed like everybody in baseball is signing these super long extensions. If you're a young player and you're showing promise and these guys, it just never felt like that was close. But yeah, the fact that they're both coming up at the same time, the fact that they're good buds and that they both want to play with each other, maybe it complicates it as well. Like, can you do one without the other? I think that's an interesting part of this too, is that they're going to be looking at each other. And honestly, before the year, I would have said, I feel more confident in Bo's level of production and what you can count on from him. And now I feel the opposite way. I mean, honestly, I don't even know who deserves more money right now. If you were just, both of these guys were just free agents, who would get the bag more? Boba Shatter, Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Yeah. And like, look, there are other pieces like what happens if like, you end up doing a contract where one ends up getting more money than the other? And like, does that change things? Yeah. Or like, if you sign one, but then you try to bring the other back to play out next year, like, what kind of dynamic does that create? Like, there's a lot, there are a lot of layers to this, right? But I think we can also simplify it. Like, do you believe in the player? Do you want the player? You want the player, you can get it done. Like, usually when the player wants to come back and the team wants the player, it's not often that you get like a Freddy Freeman situation where you know, the contract doesn't get done and he ends up leaving. That's, that's pretty rare. So, if the intentions are there and they're genuine on both sides, you're going to get a deal done. But again, it's, there are a lot of elements like this is not, it's not just a decision that's made in isolation. This is a decision about how you're going to run your business for the next decade. Yeah. You should write another book about this off season. Honestly, it feels like every, the whole next decade of baseball in the city is on the line here, whether it's Mark Shapiro with one year left on his deal or those two pending free agents in a year's time. It just, it's like, feels like everything's on the table. Yeah. I mean, look, this is, you can talk about inflection points in, in a team's history. And again, it is also a really unique, really unique one for all the reasons that we've been discussing, right? It's, it's not often. And I've been trying to come up with, I have to just spend some time digging a little bit more because I can't find anything out the top of the head. But, you know, it's for a team to be facing the situation, the way that it is right now. It is somewhat unusual. Yep. We'll see. Lots of time to talk about it. There are great expectations for the season. You know, no title. Yeah, that book, it was like, it should have been the, the sub, sub, sub had on that book should have been relived in misery, only in greater detail. They're a masochist out there. Okay. Hey, listen, we'll, we'll always have the 11 game winning streak to get back to 500 highlighted by Munanori Kawasaki and Chen Minh Wong. Who would have figured that was not sustainable? Oh, well. Yeah. The big, the big run from Estebel Rogers in the starting rotation. Shai, always a pleasure, buddy. See ya. Take care, guys. See ya. Shai Davidi. He was our insider brought to you by Don Valley, North Lexus, where you can expect excellence online and in the showroom, visit Don Valley North Lexus dot com. For all the fun we have looking back on, like, when times are good, right? Like, hey, I've had conversations, but remember that wraps run. How awesome it was. The times you truly have fun are saying names like Ashmill Rogers. Yeah. Like when you're naming dudes, something wrong, you throw a good, throw a good guy in there occasionally. But generally speaking, when we're naming dudes, it's the Ashmill Rogers, of Socrates, Brito, right? Come on. That's a great one. Good job. Anyways, Ezekiel Carrera. Oh my God. Who didn't convince themselves that Ezekiel Carrera had, like, some, some, something going on. Left added swaying. Sure. Guy, human. All right. Time now for the waking rate presented by sports interaction, your homegrown sports book 19 plus bet responsibly. Blue Jays with their ace on the mound tonight against the Mets, Bowden, Francis takes his three, seven, two year right to the mound against Sean Manaya and Blue Jays underdogs plus 120 Mets minus 143 after a low scoring affair. It's total pretty low, too. Eight in this one, Brian. I think I'm going to take the over low total. I know Francis has been good. I know Manai has numbers been pretty good this year, but I think both these teams, I'm crazy to say about the blue Jays, even they can kind of run into one every, every now and then. So yeah, I'm going to take the over of eight. You got to pay minus 110 on either side of it. So give me the over. We like cheering for runs. I like that. If I was playing the total, I would be playing the over as well, despite the fact that Bowden, Francis is the world's best starting pitcher. And Sean Manaya had a moment average with the Oakland A's, but I feel like Blue Jays being disrespected here plus 120 with their ace on the mound, especially after the lack of offensive output in game one of this series. I think the Blue Jays run it up against the New York Mets. I even like the Blue Jays plus a run and a half. Actually, that would obviously be obvious that would make them minus 156 to lose by one run or win. But yeah, I like them on the Moneyline plus 120 against the Mets to even this series up at once and force a rubber game on Wednesday. That was the Waken Reich presented by Sports Interaction, your homegrown sports book at 19 plus bet responsibly. All right. When we come back, is the AFC East? Truly the most most formidable division in all of football and what levels do the Jets need Aaron Rodgers to be at to compete for a Super Bowl? We'll talk to Mike Jones, senior national NFL writer at the Athletic Nexus. The fan morning show continues. Ben Anis, Frank Gunning, Sportsnet 590,
