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This is SoundUp with Mark Goodman and Alan Light, the only music podcast that matters. Welcome, welcome. I'm Mark Goodman. And I'm Alan Light. On this episode of SoundUp, our old friend, producer, songwriter, rock and roll Hall of Fame member, multiple Grammy winner, and one half of Jam and Lewis Jimmy Jam joins us to talk about his recent reconnection with his musician father, Cornbread Harris. Plus, so much music news on the heels of their international ticket debacle, Oasis, claims they have new music coming. Lincoln Park is back with new music, a new vocalist, and new drama, E Street Band member and wife of Bruce Springsteen, Patty Scalfa reveals that she's battling cancer, and will break down everything we know about the MTV Video Music Awards coming up this week, and the CMA Awards nominations just announced which doubled down on ignoring Beyonce. All this plus a few SoundUp Pod Squad concert reviews, and as always, our new music picks of the week. All right, let's do it. We'll take a leap into music news. There's a lot to get through here, Mark, so we've been talking a lot about Oasis. The reunion tour was announced, the first slate of tickets went on sale to global mayhem, and according to Liam Gallagher, Oasis have already made a new album. A fan asked Liam on X about the rumors of a new LP, and he replied, "Yep, it's already finished." To another person he replied, "It's in the bag mate, fuck the air. I have no idea as usual what it is that Liam is talking about." When asked for a one-word description of the album, he replied, "In all caps, turdos." Does that mean what we think it does? I don't know. So, Oasis's last album, "Dig Out Your Soul," because it came out in 2008, and Liam's just been leaning into his Twitter account. Someone asked Liam, "Can you speed up any announcements about whether or not Oasis is coming to America?" He said, "We are. I'm there now. I love it." Essentially, saying somewhere along the way, saying that he's currently in Colorado, also seemed to alternate between being very sympathetic to people who couldn't get tickets and telling people who couldn't get tickets, tough fucking luck. So, the usual array of emotions from our friend Liam Gallagher, and I have not been checking the odds for whether, you know, the bets you can place on whether they will make it to the first tour date or not. And I have to imagine the rumors flying of a new album have to change the odds a bit. That would have a, you know, if they got something to promote in addition, I mean, they're going to make more money off ticket sales than off album sales. Let's be serious, but it is another factor to take in mind before you place your bets on whether they will make it to the first show, they will make it to the end of the tour, what it is that we expect as this escapade begins. Higher or lower than Marcy kind of odds of showing up. Any given Marcy show? Yeah, that's, but new album. Okay, new Oasis album. So, so he says. Yeah. Take it as seriously as you take everything else that he says. I leave that to you. Yeah, I don't know. I'm going to, I'm going to leave it up to everyone else and I'll follow. Elsewhere, we got big news, a really interesting choice for a lead vocalist. And a wild, a few hours that followed the announcement. New Lincoln Park singer Emily Armstrong. If you're a dead Sarah fan, you know Emily. She was chosen as the new lead singer of Lincoln Park and immediately was just, just harassed like crazy, a torrent of criticism over her previous ties to not only the Church of Scientology, but also her past support of Danny Masterson, who you know from that 70s show and also as a convicted rapist. She responded, Hi, I'm Emily. I'm new to so many of you. And I wanted to clear the air about something that happened a while back. Several years ago, I was asked to support someone I considered a friend at a court appearance and went to one early hearing as an observer soon after I realized I shouldn't have. I always try to see the good in people and I misjudged him. I've never spoken with him since. So just to say all this, all this sort of started, Cedric. I never know how to say it. Cedric Baxter Zavala from at the drive in and Mars Volta, who is a former and estranged Scientologist, posted a photo of him with Emily at a Scientology event, calling her out for supporting Danny Masterson because his wife is one of the women who accused him of attack. And Lincoln Park, how do you support the homophobia and all the various dark side of Scientology? As you noted, she made a statement that spoke to her seeming support for Danny Masterson. She has not addressed the Scientology piece of this story yet. I mean, God, if they're going to come at her for being involved in Scientology, that's, I don't know about that, coming after her as so many from that cast that people came after them. A lot of people initially supported Danny. A lot of other Scientologists initially supported Danny, really. I mean, that was the bulk of what that was. Yeah, but I don't know, is Mila Kunis a Scientologist and those guys? I mean, the castmates, I don't know. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Those guys, famous people, came out in favor of the guy until it became clear what an obnoxious idiot he is and should be exactly where he is for as long as he's going to be there. The point is not a smooth launch for this next chapter of Lincoln Park. And I guess the guitar player announced that he played on the reunion recordings but won't be going on the tour. So that was another like, okay, so what does that mean? But there wasn't a link. There was no, I don't think there was a link in that, but just a little bit sort of stumbling block. After all the buildup and the countdown clock and all the expectation and the new single, all of a sudden lots of other things to talk about besides the music. To be continued. But just we sort of overshadow the idea of Lincoln Park, not only replacing the lead singer, which is one thing, but with a woman, which huge shoes to fill and kind of interesting, I mean, look, Van Halen was going to do it years ago. They hired, they attempted to hire Patty Smythe. She said no, or she would have been in the band. Skid Row just went through this chapter with Lizzie Hale, filling in in the lead vocals. So there's some precedent. So pretty interesting. And sadly, it's overshadowed by all this mess. Hopefully we'll get past it. I think it's a cool choice. Yeah, I mean, we'll find out how cool. Well, let's get sense. I think we're going to learn some more things in terrible news. For the last few years, there's been a lot of curiosity speculation question mark around Patty Scalfa's mostly absence from the E Street band tour since things rev back up a few years ago. And Patty has revealed that she has been battling multiple myeloma, a rare form of blood cancer since 2018. There's a new documentary called Road Diary, Bruce Springsteen and E Street Band directed by our friend Tom Zimney, who is Springsteen's documentary and videographer over the years. It premieres premiered up at the Toronto Film Festival, and in this film, Patty has announced that she has this diagnosis and therefore has not been able to tour with the band or perform full concerts. She's just doing occasional guest appearances at select shows. That's what it's been for years. I know when I went to the show in Brooklyn early on the tour, she wasn't there. When I just went to the show a couple weeks ago in Philadelphia, and there's been it hasn't been addressed. I mean, it's been this question mark of she's just not around, even for the local Jersey area shows. I mean, I think that's been the interesting part. Right. That was what maybe we may have even talked about it here, but the idea that she, I thought without nothing in the press anywhere. Okay, maybe she's, you know, not feeling up to the tour or whatever, but she didn't show up in New York, you know, or Jersey or Philly, right? I mean, so yeah, she in the, in the film, she says, Patty says, this affects my immune system. So I just have to be careful what I choose to do and where I choose to go. Every once in a while, I come to a show or two, I can sing a few songs and that's been a treat. That's the new normal for me right now. And I'm okay with that. So this film did just have this premiere in Toronto and will begin streaming on Disney plus beginning October 25th. And just terrible news and we've continued to say what it is, not just for Bruce to keep going, who will turn 75 next week, 23rd, whatever that is, but keeping all of this band of folks over the age of 70. As, as we know, as some of them have passed as illness has caught up with others. How do you keep that machine going? This is obviously a personal situation above and beyond just the band future for Bruce and family. But, you know, this is the stage we're at. Indeed. All we can do is what we always do in this situation. We send hope out. We send love out to Patty in this battle. And you can beat it to stay at it. What more can we say? We got the VMAs coming up MTV's VMAs 2024. Pretty exciting, I think. I guess as VMAs go. I'm hedging my bets a little. And I guess so I mean, headlining TikTok star Addison Ray. That's one of the big guests at the VMAs. This year, Flavor Flav is going to be their big Sean Buster Rhimes and so many more and MTV announced all of these celebs, musicians, actors, Olympians and more, all stepping on to the stage to help out the network with these awards on September 11. Wednesday at New York's UBS. So Wednesday out of the Queen slash Long Island arena. Look, they just announced that Eminem is going to be opening the show. And performers include Camila Cabello, Chapel Rhone, Sabrina Carpenter, Megan the Stallion is hosting and performing Teddy Swims, Sean Mendez, Lenny Kravitz and LL Cool J and the sort of requisite veterans slots. So we got the Olympic stars. There's fine as the musicians, but we've got Olympic stars this year. Look, I don't know how you do any more than that. I mean, if you're delivering Chapel Rhone and Sabrina Carpenter, what are you going to do? Agreed. If you do that and nobody cares, then I don't know what you're left with. So it'll be interesting to see, mostly to see, are there any viral moments that then catch on, you know, because nobody's going to watch the show. Nobody watches any shows, especially the audience that would be interested in this show. Really ain't going to watch the show, but they may watch some crazy clip of Sabrina Carpenter doing something. So we'll, you know, we'll see what. No tailor, no Beyonce, no post Malone. This used to be at the show where those people needed to be. Yeah, but don't discount what a Chapel Rhone appearance means right now. I mean, that's, you know, within a pop audience within that audience. I think it means more than a than a post Malone appearance would. Yeah, yeah, I might subscribe to that. I guess I feel like it's more important for MTV that Chapel Rhone is there than it is for Chapel Rhone to be there on. That, I'm sure is true. And yet she's showing up and some of these others and Sabrina and Talsy and whoever are showing up. So there's still some, there's still some all over to it. Yeah, but as you say, it's the viral moments, you know, on pick your favorite video streaming service, you know, that's where it's going to be the next, the next morning. And if, you know, if there isn't any fist fights, which there probably won't be anymore. That just doesn't happen. Nobody's punching anybody backstage. If there's no, nobody kissing somebody else on stage that is shocking. What do we got here? I don't know. But we will find out on Wednesday. Speaking of awards shows, we got the nominations for the 2024 CMA Awards. Lots of love for Morgan Wallen. Lots of love for Post Malone. And the thing that everybody is talking about, nothing at all for Beyonce and Cowboy Carter. Is that surprising? Well, Morgan Wallen's seven nominations, Chris Stapleton and Cody Johnson, five nominations, Post Malone and Laney Wilson for a piece. And Wilson, the reigning entertainer of the year will defend her title against Wallen, Stapleton, Luke Combs and Jelly Roll at the November 20th show live on ABC from Nashville's Bridgestone Arena. Now, let's, can we talk about how terrible the optics of this are? Beyonce's project really started when she felt insulted with her from her appearance with the chicks at the CMA Awards five, six years ago, whatever that was. So now we're going to go full circle and she had a number one country album and she had Texas Hold 'em. Let's just say, as an actual country hit, zero. Now, I think there's a lot of just sort of institutional, Post Malone worked with Nashville songwriters, worked with existing country music stars, fully came and kissed the ring, came to the Opry, did the thing. And nothing against the Post Malone album is good. I like it. Nothing against that. Beyonce made, and look, we all know, it's not really a country album. It's something much more expansive than that. It's much more an exploration of American music in a really different way. But clearly there are songs that you could recognize with nominations and bring her into the tent with all that that represents and to shut her out is just a disaster for the genre. What does that mean, Alan, a disaster for the genre? So the repercussions of this disaster are what? Well, I mean, if you're going to look to the future and you're going to look to continuing to build a country music audience and you're in a world where the country music and the pop audience and even the R&B and the hippo, there's much more fluid as we've talked about over and over again. You know, yeah, okay, you know, we'll take your money, but we're not going to recognize you when the chips are down. You know, simply confirms a lot of the emotions that already exist that are what Beyonce was speaking to by doing this project in the first place, that are what things like the Black Opry Project. You know, it's not going to stop those artists from doing their work, but the more that you are presenting them in conflict with existing Nashville. I think the worst that that is for what the Nashville community moving forward looks like and how it operates. I have to imagine that there is a substantial portion, or maybe not a substantial portion, but a portion of that audience who is as outraged as we are about it. Oh, I think the audience is furious. So where does this come from? It's not as though we pulled the country music audience and here's where we got the nominations for the CMA's and Beyonce was snubbed. That's not what happened. Well, that's not what it's worse that that's not what happened because country music is a contained system. Nashville is a, you know, very much a defined universe and they are speaking with their voice saying, yeah, okay, but we're not that interested. And, you know, for a music that prides itself, positions itself as a populist music. You know, that's the whole, it is the voice of the common man and common woman and the working class and all the things that are what define how we think of what country music is. You know, for the, for the gatekeepers to use the term of that community to say there's no place for you. Again, not make Beyonce entertainer of the year nomination. Like just nominate a song from the record. Just a, yeah, some recognition here that this is part of the tapestry of what we do, you know, would have meant a lot and saying there's no place for it means even more, you know, and look to give the most of your nominations to Morgan Wallen. There are those who have forgiven Morgan Wallen. There are those who have not forgiven Morgan Wallen. There are those who are in favor of him because he threw that shit out the roof. He's got a lifetime. A lifetime award. And, you know, and look, whatever, that's where we are with Morgan Wallen. It's fine. The guys had massive hits. He's filling stadiums, since he should he get an entertainer of the year nomination, he probably should. But it's, you can't not think about this stuff. You can't not think about jelly roll, who I really love and was very early on championing, but that's a guy who came out of hip hop. You know, it's like, where is it that you that you're putting up these lines and it seems to be very clear where you're putting up these lines. Right. So it's, it's glaring that the white guy out of hip hop gets the recognition. And the, the question, I guess, the one would ask is, okay, we're pointing this out. And we are not, you are not the only person or the only entity to point this out. Country music is bigger now than it has ever been selling more concert tickets. It's bigger than it has ever been. This is not going to matter. That's the sad thing. No, no. Well, yeah, I mean, on the one hand, it's not going to, you know, again, it's not going to make it any less. No, you don't make it any less. So anyway, and you don't want it to also taint, you know, the people who are rightfully being recognized. Of course, what's going to be interesting is, is anybody going to speak to it? You know, is somebody going to win and get up there and say Beyonce should really be up here? And that's what we're all going to be watching for. Did somebody invite Kanye without doing that? No, he's going to snatch any trophies away to do that. Ah, well, we'll see. When are the CMA's? November 20th, I think I just said. I think that's right. That's a ways off. We'll hear some more. Stay tuned. All right, that's it for music news. I can't wait. Our friend Jimmy Jam is going to join us in just a second. Stay right there. H5N1 bird flu is spreading in some animals. If you work with poultry, dairy cows, wild animals, or with raw, unpasteurized milk, wear protective gear and take precautions. CDC dot gov slash bird flu, a message from CDC. At Credit Union of Colorado, banking doesn't have to be like this. 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Cornbread is considered one of the main architects of the sound of Minneapolis, and in the new biography, Deeper Blues, The Life Songs and Salvation of Cornbread Harris by Andrea Swenson. We learn about his journey and the reconciliation of Jimmy and his dad after five decades apart. Jimmy Jam, welcome to sound up. Welcome to the show, Jimmy. What we're talking about is a new book that is more than just a bio of your dad, Cornbread Harris. It was actually the conduit to getting you and he speaking after five decades. Am I right? Yes, that is correct. Yes, sir. What was your first thought when the author of this bio called you? Well, it was interesting because there was, we at this point had already kind of met sort of in the trajectory of the story. But what she said after we had finally reconciled after, you know, as you say, like five decades, she said, listen, I'm going to do, I go to his house every Tuesday and we kind of dig through old artifacts and old things and we're trying to piece things together. Would you be interested in joining us on a Zoom as we do it? And I said, yes, but I'd actually love to do that. And that turned into, I practically a two year thing that actually we still do, funny enough. We still every Tuesday, we get together and we talk and reminisce and play new music and old music and it's just a kind of an amazing story. I always say, it's like one of those stories that if it was a Hollywood story, you'd go, there's no way I don't believe this script, like this could not have happened. Way to corny. Absolutely. So give us some context for cornbread Harris. You know, when you see with around this book and everything else, he sort of get the one liner of, you know, the foundation of the Minnesota blues scene or whatever. I have no sense of what the Minnesota blues scene would look like. So, you know, tell us about this guy just on his own and his own achievements. Well, he has, in addition to the book, there is also an album that the author, and I should mention her name, Andrea Swenson, is her name. And she's actually done a lot of books on prints, on the Minneapolis sound, on a whole lot of different subjects. So she's very versed in kind of the, the University of Minneapolis and of Minnesota. But I think the, the really, my dad's story is really one of, and a lot of it, by the way, I didn't know until I actually read the book because there were things. What? Well, I'm telling you, there's things like, he never discussed. There were things, you know, that, you know, the way he grew up, you know, kind of lacking a father of, of having, you know, being given up for adoption really early in his life and all kinds of things that we never discussed. So I learned a lot about him through reading the book, but what I knew about him was the first record that they kind of count as sort of the first rock and roll record that was made in Minneapolis or Minnesota was a song called High Hose Silver by Augie Garcia. And the flip side of that record was a song called Going to Chicago, which my dad actually sung on. And this goes back to 1955. So, what I was saying was Andrea Swenson, the author of the book also did an anthology album that dates back to 1955 and the Going to Chicago recording is actually on the album, along with things that he's done kind of over the years of his life. But growing up, I mean, there was always music around the house. I mean, obviously my musical talent came from my dad. I mean, my first drum set, because I would always be banging around things in the house so that was kind of my thing, but I would always go to gigs with him I'd go to recording sessions with him. So I was really immersed into the music side of what it was that he was doing, which made me fall in love with with music, but he played blues jazz. And I was his first drummer. When I was 12 years old, I actually started playing drums for him because he never could keep in drummer. And the guitar player in the group said, why don't you just let your son play, he knows all the songs. And so that's how that was my first professional gig was playing with my dad at 12 years old, you know, playing in clubs. Man, it sounds so far like just an amazing story for a musician such as yourself to have that kind of childhood to have that kind of experience. What happened? So around, I remember being around probably, I was probably 10 or 11 years old, or maybe kind of around in that same period of time. I remember my mom and dad would always argue because one of the things my dad said was when he got married and had me that he was going to basically give up music. He was going to work a regular job and, you know, make sure that, you know, I was being raised correctly and so on and so forth and he wasn't on the road all the time and that kind of thing. And I remember hearing them argue about it because what happened was he did a record called Don't Rush It was the name of the record. It was an artist named James Bonner. And I remember that record began to make a little bit of noise back in the day. It was kind of in the five state area. It was kind of a regional hit. And James wanted to go on tour with the record. And so he wanted my dad to go with him on the tour. My dad had enough tenure at work where he could basically, you know, take three months off or whatever and still walk back into his job. And I remember my mom saying to him, "No, you can't. You can't do that. You said you were going to give up music in that." And I remember as a kid, this thinking, "Give up music?" That was foreign to me. I didn't know what that meant. And I just kind of felt like that was kind of the thing that eventually drove them apart. And I think him not being able to make music because if somebody took music away from me, that would be crazy. I couldn't even understand that as a kid. So that was kind of the part where he basically left. One day he went to work and just never came back. And so we were estranged for, like we said, almost five decades. And I learned later on, though, that was kind of a revelation for me, was that when I dropped out of high school to pursue music, and I thought my mom was going to hit the ceiling about it, and she said, "As long as I see you really working towards your goal." And I always thought that was weird that that happened, but somebody pointed out to me a couple of years ago, "Do you think your mom lets you do it, pursue it, because she didn't let your dad do it?" And at that point in my life, I realized I need to let him know that I don't have any ill will, any bitterness, any resentment. I don't have anything. I totally get it. It's not that I agree with the decision that he made to leave, but I understand it. And that gave me the understanding. And I think also now that my kids are grown, I felt like it was time to do that. And so I went back to Minneapolis. We had a meeting, and I just was able to just tell him that I felt nothing but appreciation for what he did for me. And so many of the lessons that I teach my kids were lessons that he taught me, and it just kind of changed everything. He felt it was like a very euphoric experience. He felt like his feet weren't even touching the ground anymore. And it just was important for me to do that, to be able to do that. Not being in communication for that long means that there was no interaction through your rise to success. The time through starting to produce through everything that has happened through all that time. I guess it's the same question in the two sides of it, I guess, but how much were you aware of that as an absence and how much did you feel like that was maybe driving what your ambition was and what your own drive was? It's interesting. I don't think it drove me a whole lot because it wasn't a sense where I never felt the... I've never had really the "I'll show you" gene that people have. Like when they're doubted, it makes them like, "Oh, I'll show them." I don't really have that. I always was just doing it because I just loved the music and I felt I could do well at it. I felt like I had something to offer. I guess is more what I felt. At one point in time, he did come back into my life probably around the time when we had our first studio. So it would have been right around control but kind of maybe be a little before it, the Janet album. And I think at that point, he tried to give me a demo tape. And I just was like, "No, I'm not here to get a demo tape." And it was just kind of the wrong thing. And then I think that kind of split us apart again, you know, because that was kind of my attempt to kind of say, "You know, welcome back into my life and aren't you proud." And then he tried to give me a demo tape. And he tried to give me a demo tape. And that was just the wrong thing. Right. You hear those stories over and over of the dad will reappear and will, you know, try and cash in on the success or try whatever it is from John Lennon to whoever you get that story. Yes. And that's what it kind of felt like in that moment. And this was before I had kids. I wasn't married or anything. So I didn't understand it. I remember one of the things that Terry always used to say about our relationship with Prince was he always used to say, "You know, it's tough to criticize the boss if you haven't been a boss." And what he meant by that is kind of the same thing that I thought about criticizing a father when I hadn't been a father. I kind of felt like now after raising my kids and still raising them because you're never done as a dad, but I just realized that I didn't feel like I had the right. Once again, as I said, I didn't agree with the decision. But I didn't necessarily feel avoid because me and my mom were very solid in our relationship as I was growing up. And when we won, I think I told you guys the story, when we won our first Grammy, my mom was my date. And so she got to see me walk across the stage of the Grammys. And that was like my graduation, you know, because she didn't get to see me graduate because I had dropped out of school. So I don't know. I didn't feel like there was a void or anything missing in my life. I didn't really feel resentment or anything like that towards him at all. I just felt like, you know, we just are carving our own paths. This is obviously all in Andrea's book. Yeah, you mentioned that there's the anthology that is a great thing to sort of read along with you while you're listening to the music. Yeah, I wonder, though, if your dad had to go through, I imagine, some sort of change. I'd like to come to a realization at some point. Whoa, I tried to give my son a demo. Whoa, wait a minute. That may have been a bit much after, you know, five decades or three decades at that point. Yeah. Is there something? Do you see something in dad? Obviously, there was many, many years he wasn't around. But do you see something in your dad that is sort of a new light when he was like, damn, you know, I missed growing up with Jimmy. I missed that. That's a really good question. I hadn't really thought about it. I think we both feel so appreciative of the moment and the kind of path that kind of got us here with people like Andrea, who was, you know, definitely one of the catalysts in making that happen. I don't know. That's a tough one. I don't feel like we, I don't really think we're, we dwell it all on what we missed out on. I think we're so appreciative of what we have now. And I think that, you know, he's right now, he's so busy now with, you know, with the book and all the things that are happening for him. He's gigging crazily. At what age? Yeah. At 91, 97, 97 years old. You know, music keeps you young. And he definitely is the proof of that, that music just keeps you young. But it's like, he still does a weekly gig, right? He does a weekly gig. He plays at a place called Palmer's Bar. He plays every week. But in addition to that, I mean, I'm telling you the last couple of weeks, I went back and did a gig with him when they did the book release. And we literally, I didn't know this, but I read a review in the paper about the gig that we did. And it was like a four hour gig, because they interviewed us for an hour, then we played for an hour and then we signed autographs and books and stuff for another two hours. So it was crazy. He played the opening of the Minnesota State Fair. He played in the middle of it, did it, did an interview and a bunch of stuff. And then he played the closing day at the fair. And that was in addition to his normal Sunday gig. So he's, he's still working and still doing this thing, man. It's, it's crazy. But I love it. I love seeing it. Spending all that time apart from you. You know, we got to, so it's just served him well for his longevity. So yeah, definitely. So I got it. Well, while we have you, I feel like we've never really fully heard from you. I feel like the bigger story with for you and for Jammin Lewis and in the last year or so has been starting to do some of these shows. Of your own name and kind of seeing what that, what that might feel like and what that might lead to. So what's, what's been that experience? What are you currently thinking about expanding that or how that's going to affect the next project? I know there have been a few of those scattered gigs, but what can you tell us about? Are you nervous? Do you think that you can make it? We'll try. We'll try. Listen, it was interesting. So we did a test, kind of a test gig about a year ago now at the Pittsburgh Jazz Festival. We just wanted to get out and play somewhere and just kind of figure it out and see whether what we were thinking conceptually in our mind, which is basically where a virtual jukebox or where a virtual time travel machine that takes you through the 80s and the 90s and the 2000s and so on and so forth with our, with our songs, which we've never had a chance to do live. And it worked really well. So then we did a homecoming gig in Minnesota, which was fantastic. I think it was probably 70,000 people or whatever, this thing called Taste of Minnesota, which was amazing. And the fun part about that, of course, was every song we played was basically recorded in Minnesota. So that made it fun, you know, and we got to play with Morris on the time and everybody. So that was a lot of fun. And then we just did eight shows in Japan. And that was amazing because they told us, you know, don't expect the audience will be super excited, but they're enjoying it. And literally they were on their feet the whole time. Like we had to tell them to sit down. They were going to do about it. You can sit out now. And they were singing along. They knew every song. They knew everything we did. I think we did. I can't remember our set list. I think we did like 43 songs in 75 minutes or some crazy thing like that. Yeah, it was nuts. So anyway, what we want to do next year is we would like to do festivals, whatever festivals happen. And we would also like to do orchestral dates because we think a lot of our songs lend themselves musically to that kind of thing. So that's kind of what we're looking forward to doing next year. And it kind of checks things off the list of what haven't you done that you still want to do. And that's one of those things. So we're enjoying that process. Not to push, but is there another album if you're going to go out? There is. There is. Yeah, we are currently working on Jam and Lewis volume two. Well, even when you did volume one, you were saying, we got stuff ready to go. So it's not news that you're already down the road on that. Yeah, we're definitely down the road on that and really excited about that. And literally, it's been, for me, it's been, and you guys know some of this, but it's been sort of a bucket list year for me in a lot of ways. I've gotten a chance to meet and talk with people that I never thought I'd be in touch with. And I got to tell you one thing that happened over the weekend for me was, first of all, I went to see Chicago in the earth winning firing concert, which is kind of the, you know, that's, that's the musical soundtrack of Terry and me getting together along with Cooley gang. That's kind of the big deal. So that was great. But then I also got Jerry Buckley from America, a song. And on the text, he just said, this was inspired by you. And a brand new song that sounded like, you know, 70s America, which, of course, was my big influence. So to hear that was just like mind blowing and a beautiful song. So anyway, he, and he said, because he lives in Australia, so he said, I'm going to be in LA next week. So we're going to get together. And I just hosted a thing with Jackson Brown and the Holy Media family guys from that documentary, which is amazing if you haven't seen that documentary. It's been just a kind of a bucket list year where I've run across people and gotten relationships with people who I never thought that would happen. So I feel very energized and very excited. Kind of the way I think my dad feels in 97 for all of these things to be happened. I feel the same way at 65 and I get a 10% discount on everything. So that's right. Let's hear it for the senior discount. So it's all good. It's so amazing. It's crazy as this may sound. So you have, let's just say the next year to two years kind of lined up, which would make sense for a man in your position. But your old man's 97. Okay. So you have a lot of years to think about. Yeah. You must be, you know, already thinking about artists, maybe that you would like to work with. That's something beyond volume two. You're not abandoning production. I'm sure. No, we still love production. We still love songwriting. And to me, the songwriting part is the thing that starts at all because it's just whether you're motivated, you know, to me, I always say to artists all the time, there wouldn't be, there wouldn't be a control if it wasn't for Janet. Because we wouldn't think of those lyrics and we wouldn't think of that music if she wasn't the artist, you know, that that was doing it. And that's really the case with all the artists. So as artists begin to approach us and there's a lot of younger artists now that are approaching us about things. To me, it's just the inspiration. So we're very inspired to write and we're doing that. The other thing we're really interested in that we've been working on is there's a Jim and Lewis documentary in the works that we're involved with. We're going to ask you about that. Yeah, but we're excited about that. But we're also working on a gamble Huff and Tom Bell documentary that we're also really excited about to help tell that story. Can I be in that? I'm from Philly. Absolutely you can. Yes. I grew up with those guys. No, and I did too. I mean, I always, we tell them all the time, we've got a chance to know them really, really well over the years. They were like tours in our road map and a lot of so many things. And good friends also. And, but it's funny because literally I always tell them there wouldn't be a Jim and Lewis without a gamble enough, just as simple as that. And then when you add Tom Bell to that equation, which just doesn't get any better than that. And it was funny because it's interesting because Tom Bell isn't yet in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I say yet in Rock and Roll because he will be there. I said, it was interesting when the spinners went in last year, which I was really happy about. I said, you know, Tom Bell, all these spinners songs are doing Tom Bell wrote those songs. And when you talk about the Delphonics and you talk about all these other things. And the fact that Kenny and Leon are in got to get Tom Belling. So hopefully that happens next year. It's always more. There's always, there's always more. But the documentary thing is fun because it's just storytelling. And we've never direct. Obviously, we haven't directed a doc before. But once again, it goes into that. I think we're good to tell the story. I think we approach it from a different way from a very musical way. And I think the chance to have a conversation with those guys is just going to be amazing. We're planning on doing that next month. And we're really excited about it. It's great, great, great. I was lucky enough to be in Philly when gamble and huff were inducted into the Philadelphia music Hall of Fame. They have a plaque on Broad Street, Philadelphia. This was just before COVID. Yeah, they were finally, I can't believe it took that long. But yeah, finally, finally, now it's great. But I got to tell you, I miss volume, but I'm so glad you guys are doing this. So because I miss, you guys are my favorite show. You know, I told you that all the time. You guys were my favorite show on the channel. So I'm glad you guys are still doing it and spreading the word and keeping music out there with the stories behind it the way that it should be. Thanks for that, Jimmy. Can I blindside you with one question? And if you don't know anything to say, or you choose not to, we can cut. But did you see the story over the weekend, the big story and the times that came out about the Prince documentary and what's going on with that situation? Yes. Did you talk to Ezra for the film? Do you know anything about, you know, about anything and any thoughts about that story and the status of that project? So yes, I did. First of all, I did sit with Ezra probably for a couple of hours. I did it. Terry did not do it. And it was around the time when they were, he was trying to get more. So I think at one point in time to do something and Morris was going through the place where the estate wasn't allowing him to use the name or some kind of crazy thing like that. So I don't think he ever got Morris, but from what I understand, I am in it from people I've talked to him about it. I have not seen it, but I am in it. And I actually texted Ezra probably about a month ago, because I know he's showing it to some of the people that are in it. And I would love to see it, but I did talk to Questlove's. I thought Questlove's comments in the Times article were really interesting because we had kind of talked about that same thing that he sees it as much more. I mean, obviously the music is there, the greatness of the music is there, but also he sees it very much in a psychological way of just the reason he ticked the way he did. And without seeing it, I understand having a musical father, a broken marriage. I understand a lot of those aspects of it. If that's what it explores, that's the thing that intrigues me. I would love to explore that because I never fully understood how he ticked a prince ticked. And I didn't really know the story about his father and a lot of those things, so it would be interesting to know, but I feel like we have probably more in common than I ever thought we did. I mean, obviously we worked together, but it seems very intriguing. I hope it does see the light of day, but in the way that I think everybody's comfortable in seeing it, but I'd love to see it and just to have an opinion on it if it helps. Well, I was thinking, I was thinking of you reading it, but also thinking of you when you're talking about your family stuff that it rings, it does ring some of the same bells as, as what the film seems to get into so yeah. I thought so too. Jimmy Jam, always great to have you on. Always the best. Wherever we get to talk to you, it's always a joy. The blues, the life songs and salvation of cornbread Harris by Andrea Swenson is out now and look for that anthology as well. Jimmy Jam. Thank you. Thanks guys. Reese's peanut butter cups are the greatest, but let me play devil's advocate here. Let's see. No, that's a good thing. That's definitely not a problem. Reese's you did it. You stumped this charming devil. Walmart has straight talk wireless, so I can keep doing me. Like hitting up all my friends for a last minute study session. Or curating the best pop playlist you've ever heard in your life. And even editing all my socials to keep it with what's new. Oh yeah. I look good. Post it. Which all in all suits my steady, poppy main character vibes to a tee. Period. Find and shop your faith tech at Walmart. All right. Welcome back to sound up. So each week we ask you our sound up pod squad to send us your questions, concert reviews, album reviews, whatever's on your mind. It's great to hear from all of you from our longtime fans and friends and from new ones to get involved. Join our Facebook page at sound up pod, follow us on Twitter, X, whatever we call it. Stay connected to everything sound up related, including future live audience shows. Send your comments or reviews as text or audio messages to connect@sounduppod.com. Become part of the podcast like this double header review from Kieran of two concerts, two ballparks, two. Yes, two great experiences. The temperature was 95 degrees. This is what Kieran's writing. The humidity was 85% and the Atlanta traffic on I 75 was off the charts. Miss Linda Lindes and rancid but caught start of the smashing pumpkins who have a new guitarist. They found on TikTok and a new lead singer. They found on the Adams family. Was that Uncle Fester on vocals? The expansive Braves ballpark barely let anything. They did leave the field a few hits for sure but not a single run. As the clock hit 815 p.m., the temperature dropped below 90 and the audience rose to 100%. From defeat to on their feet, the answer to the question of whether the crowd would wither in the weather. This guy should be writing for like some magazine. Right copy here. Come on. Constant call and response with the audience incessant shout outs to Atlanta. Georgia, Alabama, Florida. Anything to get a reaction, sing alongs, pull a fan up on stage, pyro, fireworks. They pulled out every rock concert trope there is. Sure, a season concert goer does tire of some of this and would like a few songs sung straight and great but all good after seeing the faces of my ninth grader and his friends entranced and engaged in having the times of their lives. Tropidope me. It was a great performance. Pearl Jam, the next night at Riggly was the perfect match of band and venue. Not usually a fan of concerts and ballparks due to viewing angles and questionable sound mixes but Eddie at home in quotes at Riggly is like seeing the Packers at Lambo here here. We live to a pre-show from inside Riggly while we were at Murphy's bleachers drinking old styles. This is people don't know around Riggly. It's in a neighborhood so the houses are all there and there's bleachers on every apartment building on the roof of every apartment building. It's incredible. So, due to all that, it was a pretty fun one. Friendly confines did add a new chapter to its lore. The vocals were great, Jeff Ement wore a Scotty Pippen shirt which describes his role in the band to a T. When a band plays the venue they truly love, it shows and made for one of the most truly special experiences we perennial concert-goers seek out but only occasionally find. Two shows, two cities, two days, two was the magic number last week. Well done, Kieran. Nice work. Damn. Speaking of the Green Day Tour, we also got an audio review of Green Day Live from our friend Podsquatter Janet. Hi guys. Since the Green Day show in Detroit made it into the news, I thought I'd check in and tell you about my experience. I joined my friend Monique who is a fellow Volumaniac and podcast listener and she managed to get there just before Gates and claimed us a great spot just a couple people back from the rail down in the pit. When the windows kicked off the night and they only had 20 minutes but it was a great quick control of energy and those girls are so much fun live. Rancid was also fun but the crowds started to get a little more rowdy down there in the pit so it was a little more destructive during their set. Luckily things calmed down a little bit for smashing pumpkins and sometimes I forget just how much they rock, especially Jimmy Chamberlain who is just a monster on the drums. Then of course it was on the Green Day. They started out with one new song then they went right into playing Dookie and its entirety. There were only five songs into the set when suddenly they booked off the stage and we had no idea why. And so my first thought was are we in a dangerous situation right now is they were a shooter. What is going on. Luckily there was no chaos. I was worried that people could start running or something but people stayed pretty calm as far as I could tell. And after a few minutes they put a message up on the screens that said show pause. Please stand by for details. Then I noticed a couple minutes later that a bunch of people in the crowd were chanting F that drone. So we looked up and we saw the green lights going on this drone that was just flying over the stadium. So that was a little bit of relief once we realized why the show had probably stopped and hopefully it wasn't such a dangerous situation after all. But then we wondered how are they going to get this drone down and how long is it going to take. Fortunately the delay was only about 10 minutes long and they came back out on stage and just picked up where they left off. At one point Billy asked if everybody was doing okay and he commented on how this was going to be a memorable night for all of us. There was no real explanation given about what had happened. The show just carried on. That drone incident could have overshadowed the show but then they played American Idiot in its entirety which is an all-time favorite of mine. It was such a thrill to enjoy that up close with the energy from the pit where we actually did last the whole night to spite my doubts that we would. Between hearing the two albums a bunch of other songs from the catalog plus the great openers it will be a memorable night for many reasons. Yeah I don't know if you saw that footage of them being hustled off stage in the middle of the set but it was pretty scary looking. I can imagine being there you would have been kind of freaked out and unauthorized drone was the explanation ultimately given. So we got the on the ground report. Probably paused because of a 14 year old with a toy drink. He shuts down a stadium of Green Day and matching Gumpkins fans. This is where we are for security. We got more. We've got a review from our friend Dina. Now Jimmy if you were paying attention Jimmy Jam was just talking about this show that Dina is going to review for us now. The Chicago earth wind and fire show. Good morning sound up community. It's Dina on a wine beach and after a fabulous full in love event that you heard about from Texas running chick a week ago. Over the weekend my brother and my husband both named Jay and I got to see the earth wind and fire in Chicago show at the forum. What a fun concert. You just can't beat two bands that have been playing together for a long time on their own and have been friends for a long time. Each putting on two full shows and then coming back and doing six songs together. So they did three of each other's songs. It was really fun and my brother hadn't seen Chicago before. So this was his first time seeing them and he'd seen earth wind and fire in the past. But anyway just a lot of fun and there's just really nothing better than seeing these bands before really everybody in them is gone. There was three each left from the original bands of both or in fire and Chicago and you know it's just it's just so much fun. So I think it's just a great reminder that sometimes the concert just can be fun and it doesn't need to be life changing. It just can be really really fun and going with the people that matter to you most. It's really my case my brother and my husband. That was the deal and our final concert review comes from pod squatters. So Cal music now. The inaugural edition of a colossal one day vintage R&B music festival called full in love that just happened this past Saturday. And like cruel world and when we were young festivals this again was a one genre one stop music festival experience. This one was also funk, Motown and R&B 69 band spanning 70 years of music over four stages. And if you saw the lineup poster you thought that maybe it was a spoof because you wondered how the heck are they going to pull this off. So I had to check it out for myself especially because this is my eight festival of this year alone so I just had to go. So I ended up snagging a half price ticket online for a hundred and fifty dollars the morning of and drove to the so far football stadium parking lot where this event would take place. And to be honest I'm really happy that I did. I managed to find my way to the bounce stage where I ended up spending most of my day on the rail enjoying classic hits from heat wave, bar K's, dauphonics, cameo, rose Royce, blue note, bloodstone, more stay in the time. I mean to be able to hear these artists that I grew up listening to was amazing. And your question is probably how the heck did you see so many artists at one stage? Well they had a rotating stage and all of these artists performed abbreviated sets of all of their hits. So to be able to hit or to hear always in forever, boogie nights, car wash, wishing on the star, I want to get next to you, jungle love. I mean I was in heaven and it was fantastic. I mean being able to hear from these giants of the genre, all outfitted and styled to perfection, some original members but many were second generations and were just as proud as could be. And later in the day during Al Green's set, out of the corner of my eye recognized the artist Beck walking out in the crowd all by himself. So I of course had to go up and introduce myself and say what a big fan I am and he was so gracious enough to chitchat for a minute and we got a picture even though he was the most reluctant. Getting to hang out with Dina, runner Wayne Beach and Jessica Texas running chick for her first ever festival for the last acts of the evening of Santana Diana Ross, who was fabulous at 80 years old by the way, and Lionel Richie. It was a great day indeed, despite the long lines overcrowding issues, people allowed to bring chairs in that created so much congestion, the overpriced everything this was an embarrassingly rich array of artists that I was happy to check out in my lifetime. So remember, buy the ticket, go the show, be a full on love and have fun. Thanks guys. Aw, she did get it last week we got a review and apologies to April, we had some tech issues last week we couldn't rush you into last week's episode right after the festival happened but we ran the review from Jessica it was her first festival. She was all excitement April her eighth festival this year she does manage to work in well overcrowded tough to get in chairs were blocking the ways things were overpriced still great but had some notes. Yeah, yeah, and she is the one to give them as you say she's out there and of course nobody you know she's on the 80s cruise now she's a regular on the 80s cruise and she oh she winds up on stage somehow I don't know how she does it but she has the magic touch She wound up in MCing your daughter's show whenever that was a month. Yes, just a couple weeks ago. That is absolutely true she came to the show and somehow wound up I'm seeing that's why we love her. Our Zellig of the rock and roll world. Alright, so that's going to do it I think for our reviews but we do have we do this every week we've got new music picks of the week Alan you want to start off. I can start off. I'll be really quick couple of not maybe not not fully rookies but newer artists been a lot of attention these last few days around MJ Lenderman new artists, though he's played with walks a hachi and he's done some stuff and he's been knocking around but his album Manning fireworks came out on Friday to wild press acclaim and I gotta say it's pretty it's pretty great I mean there's some sort of old school alt country like Wilco early Ryan Adams thing going on there's some pavement definitely some indie rock but he's a real guitar player that's got some crazy horse the young happening Wow and the guy can write some songs so I'm gonna go for a song called wristwatch because it's also kind of funny this one but you'll be hearing a lot a lot of your end polls are gonna lean into this album from MJ Lenderman he's coming through here in a few weeks I'm gonna see him so I'm gonna call wristwatch my pick from that album and then young artist from New York named Sarah Kinsley debut album she's put out some EP's gotten a bunch of TikTok traction and I'm gonna go with a song called nights K-N-I-G-H-T-S nights and I will say this this song kind of goes through it starts off kind of balladty it picks up it ends up in almost like a disco song big strings arrangements and a big sort of swirling thing for my Tory Amos fans for my Tory Amos warriors out there this is somebody who is carrying that flame you know piano playing writing odd songs and structures if that's the gene that you've got she somebody you're gonna want to check out has been getting again some NME press and some you know early action on the critics side but I think an interesting record and I will say nights from Sarah Kinsley is my other pick Roger what do you got? I am going with the emptiness machine the new song by Lincoln Park with new lead singer Emily Armstrong formerly of Dead Sarah I was really curious as to what this was going to sound like what she was going to sound like and I think she really fits in perfectly with this band she's got a great voice because they chose a female singer I feel like there's not going to be that comparison of her to Chester and you know Chester was a guy with such a high range and such a pure kind of vocal style but also had that raspy scream so you needed someone who could do both and she can do both flawlessly she really captures the essence of what this band needs and I think she fits really well and I think the song sounds like a Lincoln Park song it doesn't sound like they're trying to reinvent themselves into something new it sounds like what I wanted to hear from this band Wow the question now is what are the fans gonna think I remember this was a stadium band this was a huge huge band diamond selling band I'm really curious to hear I haven't heard any old stuff with Emily singing lead vocals one half of the battle I mean I think you were right that the fact that she was chosen avoided any kind of horrible comparisons between her and any guy they would I mean from past lead vocalists to any guy they would pick so smart I think As we noted earlier in the news gonna be an interesting ride to see how she's embraced how this plays out I did hear people saying about that the performance hearing her sing the other songs that her phrasing was sort of dead on Chester Yeah and the live stream they did recently they did a bunch of the hits and she sounds fantastic doing them and she plays off of my chanota really perfectly and I think this is really gonna work and I'm really excited for it and I'm excited to hear the rest of the record when it comes out Very cool I'm anxious to hear those older songs with her I heard those you alright I have just a couple I have to admit I was somewhat late to the party on Jesse Mallon but I've come to love him over the last you know ten or so some odd years And there is a new song from Jesse she don't love me now is actually an older song of his but he and and Bruce cover it together Bruce has covered it on his own but they cover it together for an album called patron saints the songs of Jesse Mallon which is out September 20th originally that one was on New York before the This is a benefit album for if you aren't aware the sweet relief foundation is where the proceeds will go for this Jesse Mallon album Jesse continues to recover from a spinal stroke that he suffered last year left him partially paralyzed Lots of covers of his songs Billy Jo Armstrong is on the album Lucinda Williams Elvis Costello Wayne Kramer and one of his final performances also on there so looking forward to that full album once again out September 20th the single out now And other the other one is just a new single from our friend Matt Nathanson who is currently out on tour in support it's not this is not from an album this is just a single release from him called Pablo Picasso it's not the old Pablo Picasso never Not Jonathan Richmond cover not that one just a great Matt Nathanson tune great melody is he is known for and Matt is sounding better than ever vocally I just saw him on this tour And he's great he's just great and I mean for Matt Nathanson if you haven't seen the guy and you like his music as great as his music and his band is half the show for me The guy does stand up he's freaking hysterical so that's it that's what we got And we do send our continuing love and thoughts to Jesse Mallon as he continues to recover and should note there's I guess two nights of sort of all star shows coming up in December At the Beacon Theatre to continue raising money and awareness and you know keeping Jesse out there and helping him through this super difficult physical and mental emotional everything situation that he's going through so we love you man Alright that's going to wrap it up for this edition of sound up don't forget check us out on socials and YouTube for exclusive content full video episodes up on YouTube all at sound up pod Or to give us a five star review like our Facebook page subscribe to our YouTube page and email us your words in writing or on voice message whatever's on your mind connect at soundup pod.com Thanks for supporting us and listening sound up with Mark Goodman and Alan Light out Sound Up is hosted by Mark Goodman and Alan Light produced by Roger Colletti for Roger that media and distributed by Revolver podcasts King Music by Smile from Tokyo Roger that is a very important part of the show. 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On episode #58 of “Sound Up!,” Mark and Alan welcome Rock and Roll Hall of Fame songwriter/producer Jimmy Jam to discuss a new book about his father, legendary Minnesota musician Cornbread Harris, and their reconciliation after 50 years. Members of the Sound Up! Pod Squad offer their reviews of Pearl Jam and Green Day live, and in music news, Oasis promises a new album, Patti Scialfa reveals her cancer diagnosis, there’s controversy around the new Linkin Park singer, and the latest on the MTV and CMA awards. Plus we present our new music picks of the week, including songs by Jesse Malin with Bruce Springsteen, Matt Nathanson, MJ Lenderman, and Sarah Kinsley.
