Danny and Dusty
Does the Civil War have the same juice?
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Think of the elements that we've seen over the course of civil war years, right? You have the infamous toilet bowl, 1983, where, again, one of my life missions is to clear Mike Jorgensen's name of the toilet bowl, 0-0 scoreless tie at Austin Stadium, where the wind was howling. The rain was just coming down in buckets in Austin Stadium, and you had two teams play to a scoreless tie, the last scoreless tie in college football. Also, also, prior to this past week, the last road shutout for Oregon State, wild. Yeah. OK, you had that game. We all remember the fog bowl in where just it was just-- it was like you were playing in the clouds. And we've had a couple of those games where fog has overtaken both, you know, research stadium, then Parker Stadium, and then Austin Stadium as well, where we've had just fog take over those games the late November, the Willamette Valley. Guess what? Foggy. Yeah. Foggy. Yeah. Comes a problem. This morning on my way in, they were talking about memorable sporting events that you've been at. And I was at the-- I think it was 2001, the Keenan Howrey Pump return. Yeah. Yeah. Cold. Very cold. Wet. We've also had those games where it's been like a crisp, bright, sunny November day where you're just-- it's like bitterly cold. Yeah. It's going to be '72 and sunny in Corvallis. It's so weird. This is something that we've never seen in this matchup. But I think at the heart of it, outside of the questions at Loom surrounding both of these teams this year, is truly the meaning of this matchup now. And so I put a poll up at Danny and Dusty on X or Twitter at Danny and Dusty with Oregon and Oregon State in different conferences. The civil war will mean more, mean less, not change. Please go and vote on that because I find already the responses that we're getting are pretty interesting surrounding this rivalry, which it's always meant the world because it's not just the in-state rivalry. It's also had a lot on the line in the conference, whether it was 1983 where you're playing for the bottom of the conference, or we've had War for the Roses. We've had games of consequence that matter where the beefs have wrecked the duck season. And you know, bull aspirations, the ducks have stolen away a civil-- or a rose bull bid for Oregon State and just the sad faces and all the sad roses in research stadium. And I think that was 2008 when it was like '65, '30, something. But we've had these matchups with so much consequence outside of just the in-state bragging rights. And so with this rivalry and ship sailing in kind of different directions, that's the one thing that has always been at the heart of this rivalry and this matchup is it means a lot within the state, but it's meant a lot in the conference as well. And now that you have that kind of taken away, not kind of-- now that has been taken away, will this game mean as much to either program? So go and vote. Currently, 57% of respondents say it will mean less. 34 and 1/2% say not change. 8.3% with the-- it will mean more now. So you can go and vote on the poll at Danny and Dusty on Twitter. You can text us too at 503-864-6326. You can also reply to that tweet as well. P1 Rufio chiming in. You can also on the YouTube chat, youtube.com/10ADM the fan. Go ahead and drop your comments there. Rufio says on the Vancouver 4 tech sign, platypus means more if the beavers win. Means less if the ducks win big, somewhere in between if the ducks win a close one. Yeah, that's a really-- if it's a close game, which I don't know if anybody's followed Oregon the past two weeks. Couple close ones. They've played a couple close games. Right? What is the feeling coming out of that? Are moral victories something that Oregon State is hanging their hat on? Because that hasn't been the case. And that goes back to what conference you're playing in, the standard and the expectations that you're playing to. A win was a win and a loss was a loss. And that's what mattered. And that would be interesting if you're taking moral victories out of the in-state rivalry, moving forward. That does make it a little weird. Like you think of Iowa and Iowa State, that rivalry has not changed because Iowa State's in the big 12. Iowa's in the big 10. They're still at big boy tables, right? Yeah. This one right now with so much limbo, at least for the next couple of years, what are we going to take out of a victory one way or the other? Yeah. I think that if it were further down the line and Oregon State, you know, say they can't find a home and outside of somewhere like the Mountain West and do become a permanent member there, it's going to feel a lot more like a Colorado, Colorado State-type matchup if you give it some time. And that's the path that it goes down. But if they find a place in the big 12, then yes, I think it hangs on and it keeps the same kind of importance. Yeah. Another text on the Vancouver 4 text sign. It depends on who you ask, Dusty. It means less to Oregon, means more to Oregon State, out of spite and jealousy. And that's the thing that I hope never goes away, right? Is that I hope that it still means more than normal games to Oregon. Right. And I think when you look at Colorado and Colorado State, it means a lot to Colorado and Colorado State. But us here in Oregon, it doesn't mean as much. But within that state, I hope it still means a whole hell of a lot more. And look, we've seen Colorado State with a disadvantage in talent, disadvantage in recruiting, and funding, and all of those things, just like we saw last year. Yeah. They took Colorado to the brink. That wasn't a very good Colorado team. But they took Colorado to the brink and they punched up. And I hope that we do-- I hope we do see it means a lot to the Oregon players and fan base. Because I know that within that program, they know how much it means. Yeah. See, and I think that I'm not sure that it necessarily means less to Oregon or Oregon's fans anymore. Because basically, at this point, it's more like, OK, we really can't afford to drop this. Sure. Because A will never hear the end of it. Yep. You know? And then B, yeah, that really kind of hoses your season now, too. Yeah. This text says, Florida, Florida State, Clemson, South Carolina, huge rivals, different conferences. And I think that goes back to, though, that conversation of-- But major conferences. Yes. Power conferences. That takes on a whole other meaning when you're in the power conferences. There are very few conferences that we have where-- or very few rivalries that we have that have survived the test of time when you have one team goes up and they're playing at the now-power-for level. And the other one is not. You know? After investing billions to light up our network, T-Mobile is America's largest 5G network. 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Beavers need to move on, and as always, theft the ducks. Washington State and Washington, they're playing that game in Seattle, not at Husky Stadium. They're playing at Lumen Field. They're in prom selling tickets there. As of last week, late last week, they were having problems moving tickets. Are Oregon State fans not going to show up to the game? Because a lot of them feel that way of why in the hell are we even playing this game anymore if Oregon and Washington are two of the reasons why the Cougs and the Beavers are getting left out? Let's see, that just opens up a whole another boxer questions there, you know, because look, when it comes down to it, the way that things were changing so rapidly and seemingly day by day and hour by hour, you had to cover your ass and make sure that you had a place to go. So, you know, and if we want to get down to brass tacks, maybe we place a little bit more blame on that Washington State professor that completely overvalued everything. And, you know, I get it, I get you understand, I understand the feeling of you guys left us behind. So, FU, I understand. But at the same time, look, it's a good chance for you to go out and try to punch up. Yeah, and there's a, there is this element too of like, to that point, you know, I think Larry Scott and George Klayofkov obviously bear a lot of the burden for the way that the Pac-12 fell apart. I will always go back to the commissioner was employed by the university presidents and the university presidents as a whole. And that includes, you know, for a long time, Ed Ray at Oregon State, Kirk Schultz at Washington State, Michael Crow at Arizona State, who were the three longest tenured university presidents or chancellors, they are the ones that allowed it to continue to kind of backslide down. And that is a big issue. They're not sports people. But when everybody in the country was saying, the writing is on the wall, the writing is on the wall, they started acting and reacting far too late. Yeah. And that's a massive issue that plagued the Pac-12. They kind of bird boxed that son of a gun. Yes, they did. All right, we got some feedback on the poll itself at Danny and Dusty. Huddleston says right now, it would mean more because of how everything went down. I think five to 10 years from now, I think the shoulder shrugs will start coming in and it will mean less. Yeah, and that will be the big one is down the road, eventually where does this feeling turn of this rivalry? Is the bitterness going to grow or does it fade away and kind of dissipate? I'm really excited to see where it comes to on Saturday in what that environment is like in Research Stadium. How many? Because that would be kind of the worst thing of all of this is to that texture's point of, why don't you even know why they're playing this game? If BV fans are saying in mass, and I don't think you're going to see a 50/50 split of Research Stadium, but if that home field advantage that we've come accustomed to seeing, whether it's in Corvallis or Eugene, it matters in this game. If that is diminished a little bit, how does that impact the game, in the flow of the game, in potentially the outcome of games, right? How much chippiness do you think we get here on Saturday? A lot. I think there's going to be a lot, man. I think there's going to be a lot of chippiness. Let's see here. Let's put it at an over-under on Unsportsman-like conduct flags. We'll set it at three and a half. See, I don't think the chippiness is going to come necessarily from the players on the field. I think it's going to come from the fan bases. I think that's where you're going to hear it. Then look, that's what rivalries are all about. That truly is. It's what rivalries are all about. Yeah, Adam points out on the poll. I'm curious what the survey would say if this game was still played at the end of the season. September just feels weird for this game, but we're going to have to get used to it because this is the way it's going to be. And there are a lot of rivalry games that are played early in the season, middle of the season, late in the season. The Alabama Tennessee game is always played second week in October. You have the world's largest outdoor cocktail party is always played earlier in the season. You can't have these rivalry games. This is just a massive shift. It's a monumental shift in when you play and the expectations of it moving it moving into a September rivalry. ♪ It's better over here ♪ AT&T customers switching to T-Mobile has never been easier. We'll pay off your existing phone and give you a new one free. All on America's largest 5G network. Visit tmobile.com/carrierfreedom to switch today. 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