[Music] What we need is a Europe of thousand Lichtenstein's. [Music] So you know how those lids on the Starbucks kept their white, right? And so if you were a lipstick, they'd get all over the list. [Music] Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the show. The show where we talk about the uncomfortable stuff. And we have on the uncomfortable guests to get us in trouble for saying the uncomfortable things. I'm joined, as always, by my lovely right-hand man, Mr. Dave Casey Dave, how are you doing? I'm doing great, bro. How are you today? I'm doing good. Dave, you just did a debate last night, right? I did. What happened? You know, everybody was super nice and cordial, so it didn't turn into a shit show like I was kind of hoping. Really nice people, and we kind of came to a nice consensus at the end. But if I was going to declare a victory, it would for sure be me. Yeah, I would too, because I listened to it. I mean, it's hard to declare a victory when you're both just kind of circle, sharing thoughts and stuff. But you did well, and I really enjoyed it, man. I think you held your own. And I will say that Dave, you're having Angela McCartill on your show tonight, right? I know what you're going to say. You're going to give a shit for her mic not working, right, Dave? I know you're not having a mic. Yeah, bro, I can't believe it. I can't believe it. I had the nice shore, you know, the whole time, but it just wasn't. It wasn't the mic. It was the computer mic. It was big enough. Like the whole room, the echoed room. So you know what, you might do nothing. Good mic, Dave. That's what I'm going to say. Get a real mic. Oh, man, yeah, that's embarrassing. Truly. Angela, get your mic ready. It's all good. Now, I also wanted to get your, before we go into this conversation with Pete, getting thoughts on libertarian or post-libertarianism, libertarianism, future stuff, all that, not even two years ago, you would have been probably a lot more at odds with this guy, right? Don't give any spoilers or anything, but what's your history with Pete? I mean, I would say strong to very strong. I've always liked Pete, and even, you know, a year ago, we probably agreed on, you know, 99% of the stuff, just maybe difference in strategy there, but I'm pumped up, man, as I, you know, maybe losing a little faith in LP politics and exploring anti-Semitism, like who else is better to coach me through this? That is a fair question. And a great way to kick this off. We are, we're gonna talk about some things and other things, maybe in the afterparty. Guys, go out, share the show with your friends, go share it with your enemies, especially because they probably need to hear it more than anything, but, yeah, let's kick this off, and let's go. All I ask is, if we have to give these bastards our lives, we give them hell before we do. (crowd cheering) The tragedy of our day is the climate of fear between lives. One thing about these solemnly brothers, is they collapsing. I'm gonna have to come right now to withdraw that comment and tell us that he's releasing that. You could buy a gun to the back of America. We have to not avoid the lack of mass to get some problems to fight. I don't know what I said. I do not have sexual relations with them. I like to know I am free. I will chance that certain people will be put back. These work best as weapons of mass destruction. I love the facts, we're guried out by our fight. You can't handle the truth. I remember that we were not too old. We are still here! We have to say yes, we're still good. (music playing) (music playing) It's a big club. You ain't in it. All right, ladies and gentlemen. It's a big club and you ain't in it, but you're in this club, whether you like it or not. This here club of rabble-rousers and thinkers, all around. We are here with Pete, Peter R, Cucuniones. Not that one either, no music, no more music. Pete, it's been a while. How are you doing, man? Good, how are you gentlemen doing? I'm doing well, personally. Dave's always fine. I'm great, bro. Good to see you again, man. Thanks for being here. Good to talk to you guys. It's been a while. I mean, it's been like two years, I think. Yeah, I don't think... I was in the old place in Auburn. I don't think Dave was a part of the show, like an official part of the show the last time you were on, but you've been on a few times in the past. But I think the last time we talked was in honor of Uncle Ted passing and RIP, Uncle Ted. Do you got any thoughts on, right out the gate, just Uncle Ted and whether or not it's looking more and more like he was right with all these AI videos that I like to use to spice up my intros, but other people like to use them to, I don't know, subvert reality? Thoughts on Ted? I mean, I think, you know, how they say the term "Ron Paul" was right. I mean, Uncle Ted was right. But something that became very interesting to me when I started studying like all these Silicon Valley guys, what they call the PayPal mafia, what I've been talking about for a while, is they've all these tech guys have right on call. Uh oh. Uh oh. We lost everyone. What happened? What? What? It doesn't seem to be my fault this time. But we just lost everyone. So, hopefully they can get back in soon. That's a great way to kick out the show. Um, I did forget to read you guys this. You can get your name on this list. Autumn Jacobs, Mangia, Sean, Van Beaver, Hout, No, Tread, Abrogate, D's, Maxwell, Meredith, Zanger, Justin, Justiko, Joey, Bonnie, Perry, Adam, Donald, Leah, Osmotaz, Danielle, Stoney, Keith, Hufflumps, others. We're going to continue. There was, seems like there's an error, whatever. Let me know, can you hear me still? Are we still good here? Patreon.com/TheSystemIsDown, get over there and sign up for the Downers Club, support the show, help keep my family fed, and be great people. Everything is freezing now. So cool. Everything, oh, are we here? Are we here? I'm here. I'm here. Pete's here. Dave is here. What happened on your end of the Matrix? That was Uncle Ted reaching down from heaven and saying, "What the fuck are you doing using technology?" That's fair. That's fair. Well, just to go back, jump right back in. Yeah, Uncle Ted was right. And when I started studying these tech guys, what we call the PayPal Mafia, I found out that they all have read Uncle Ted. I consider Blake Masters to be a part of that crew. Maybe not direct, but he's definitely in the orbit. And I heard him on a podcast talking about the manifesto. So I think it's interesting that the guys that Ted would tell you to worry about, might even have some ill intentions towards. They're inspired by him. And it may just be as, if we're going to do this, let's look at the guy who figured it out and figured out that this could be dangerous to us and try to, as we go forward, try to get some lessons. But yeah, Uncle Ted still means, the manifesto still means a lot to me. His writings, even his later writings, or writings he did from prison were very inspirational. And a lot of them are prophecy. It took some years to come true. And yeah, he predicted Antifa. That's the greatest thing from the systems ninja's trick. He's like, they'll be this group and they're going to be. And it was just one hundred percent answer. So it was pretty cool. Yeah, and if you guys want more on that, we did an entire episode on Ted right after his death. You can find that at thesystemasdown.tv. Or wherever you listen to your thesystemasdowns. Now, I mentioned in the intro, Dave, you and Pete probably would have been at odds at least a couple of years ago, maybe three or four years ago, especially with the music caucus stuff. I'm curious, like, where are you guys currently both land? Dave, you just spent last night debating that Donald Trump is the better candidate than the libertarian candidate on a libertarian podcast as a libertarian. Pete, you're, I would imagine, you know, in a similar camp now. Where do you guys both land politically? I want to hear you guys talk a little bit. Good, Dave. So I'll say this, man. Like, even two years ago, not to, you know, I know this probably isn't too spicy, but, like, I really, I agreed with Pete two years ago. I agreed that the libertarian party should be using its greatest power, which is to lobby on behalf of liberty, pay way less attention to, you know, electoral politics and ballot access and bureaucracy and Robert's rules and all that shit. I always hated it. I always hate as much as Pete hated all of the worst people in the libertarian party. So did I. Like, I did too the whole time. So I can relate to Pete a lot. And as far as just like, you know, there was that, you know, many exodus of some people who were like, you know, if I just had enough of this, I can totally understand that. Totally understand that. And probably more now than then. And I always have, you know, I participated in this. I did the takeover. I ran for the county seat and did that for two years and tried to build the party up. And I don't think anybody should do that for a long time. And in fact, I think that's one of the character traits of the people that we have to go against is that they like being here. They like the bureaucracy. They do not have friends or community or things outside of this shit. So this gives them, you know, meaning and purpose. So like after two years, I was like, who's ready to take this? Who's ready to do something? You know, that's how it should go. Pass this on, get somebody else to do that work and you move on to something else and not hanging on to some kind of, you know, small, sad, social club. So yeah, man, at this point, at this juncture, like I understand, have, you know, just falling out of passion with it or just not seeing the value in electoral politics at all, regardless of party. And now I mean, I totally respect that. Yeah, I mean, I'm one of those people who was a, the only reason I'm voting, I would vote for Trump is because some of the people who are around Trump, I tend to like a lot of the tech guys who seem to be worried about a lot of the same things that I'm worried about. Someone I follow very closely is Mark Andreessen. And it seems like he's taken over from Peter Thiel, the kind of mantle of, we're going to put some money here. We're going to put, we're going to support this person. You know, had some vindication with somebody had written a thread saying that we started talking about the circulation of the elites and elite theory. As soon as I left libertarianism, I found elite theory. And, you know, you realize populism doesn't work and that it's always a small group of people. And so we started recommending, read James Burnham, read the Mac, the Machiavellians about a material revolution suicide of the West, which I actually think this is best book. Because it destroys the whole idea of having an ideology, everything is about power. And the political ideology, personal ideology, of course. The, so I see Andreessen, someone posts and says, it seems to me like there's a circulation of the elites going on. And that, you know, there are these Silicon Valley guys who are trying to move in and position themselves in power. And Mark Andreessen re-tweets that with a bullseye. If you don't know who Mark Andreessen is, you're not even in the game. So I'm not even going to try to explain who he is. I knew who Mark Andreessen was before I even got into, like, before I learned about Ron Paul in 2007, you know, I just knew who knew these people were. And he re-tweets that with a bullseye going, yes, that is exactly what we're doing. And then he re-tweets that bullseye with the cover of the Machiavellians by James Burnham in the cover of Manager or Revolution by James Burnham. And I'm like, so, yeah. So the people who have the money and have the power and who are positioning themselves to get more power and take over, because we are going into a tech war, as much as we hate it, as much as I'm an Uncle Ted fan. We technology is the future, quantum computing. I don't even think AI is that important. I think computing is going to be the future, especially for military, for medicine, for basically everything. Then, yeah, we're seeing a circulation of the elites happening. It'll be a war. I don't think nothing is going to be fixed in the Trump administration. Yeah, I think at this point, national elections, the only thing you can hope for is to possibly get somebody elected who's regime, who will leave you alone a little more than the last one. So you can just, you have a chance to, whatever your plans are, whatever you want to do personally or with a group, when I left a libertarian party, people said I was black pill that wasn't doing anything. Well, I became a founding member of the Old Glory Club. And, you know, the old world, we had our first conference this year, sold out. It's a, it is very much an elitist organization where we just concentrate on bringing in young people who understand that ideology, political ideology doesn't exist, who understand, who are learning about power dynamics, reading the books that we all read and, you know, people who are, you know, one of the, one of the members of one of our chapters works to the members of one of our chapters work on the Hill. And we're looking to put our own people into places of power and not be limited by things like a nonaggression principle, which doesn't make any sense when it comes to politics. The nonaggression principle is great with me and my neighbor, you know, I'm coming on your lawn right now, be cool, just coming over because, you know, we grew some extra tomatoes, I want to see if you want them. And that's cool. But when it comes to power, when it comes to a regime that is causing fomencing wars all over the world, getting us closer to World War three than we've ever been. And then at home goes after its enemies, and for no other reason than they believe something different than them. And then, you know, tries to cut the genitals off your kids. Well, I don't, I don't see libertarian ideology or the whole idea of a libertarian political movement. As something that would be able to stop that, because, you know, if somebody has, if somebody has a gun and they're coming at you, you need a bigger gun in order to defeat them. And you, or you need more people, or you need a couple more people. And the idea that you're always going to be on the defensive and be able to win. That doesn't seem right to me. When you're constantly giving up ground. I discovered Ron Paul in 2007. You know, and up until 2020, you know, I'm, I still love Ron Paul as a person. I think he's one of the nicest people I've ever met. And I think he really means well, but the world he's advocating for, we're not ready for. There's something fundamentally wrong with society with people. And it doesn't, and it's not only as a libertarian excuse. And last time I was on Dave Smith show, he, he said to me, well, I don't think that corporations would be as dangerous if the government existed. And I'm, I'm much more worried about the criminal that possibly lives in the neighborhood than I am about the state. It's a much private. I'm worried about private violence and force more than I am about political violence and force. Most people's dealings with the government have to deal with when they have to like get the tags for their car, get a new driver's license and then of course April 15. But you, you have, you live in a town of 56,000 people and 20,000 literal demon worshiping Haitians get put into your city. Just hand them out anatomy of the state. Maybe just, maybe you could be handing them all out anatomy of the state. Well, and we could like, that'll solve that problem. And that's not even, those are NGO. And that's NGO, that's NGO's doing that. And you think NGOs wouldn't exist absent a state. First of all, if the state went away, there'd be a state the next day. We all know this. Sure. We saw it in jazz or chop or whatever. As soon as, as soon as they had their own little sectioned off area, they immediately set up a police force and hierarchies. But I want to go back a little bit. You mentioned the old glory club, which I'm not familiar with. And I'm sure, have you guys had articles written about you? What are they saying? Are you guys white supremacists? Just give me kind of the breakdown of the old glory club. Is it proud boys 2.0 or what are you guys doing over there? There's 13 13 or 14 of us started it with the idea of it's just a fraternity were registered as a 501 C 10. And it was to have a fraternal organization and it started off, it started off on the internet where all the founders are in different places around the country. But the goal was that we were going to, you know, we started a sub stack. We put out three sub stack articles a week. We talk about Americana. We concentrate on America. We do one live stream a week where we cover the news and we look at things in the news. We always try to be as serious as possible and then come up with something ridiculously hilarious because there's always going to be something ridiculously hilarious in the news. But the goal was to set up chapters all over the country. And in the span of two, I think we're two years in now, we have six registered chapters as 501 C 10s. And it looks like we'll probably have 12 by the end of the year. And, you know, they're for different things. You know, there are some who I won't say which ones because that's another thing. Oh, what are you guys planning on doing? Fuck yourself. I can tell on you. It's a fraternity for a reason. Okay. But there are some secrets to cons. Yeah. Well, basically. Yeah. Isn't that what a fraternity is? Basically. Yeah. Some of the chapters are going to concentrate on just strictly local politics. You know, if ones are closer to the belt way well, then that may be their focus. Yeah, if someone wants to start one in North Dakota where there's no problem, then maybe it's just a fishing club or a hunting club. Yeah. But the whole goal of it is to raise up and train. And we're looking for elites. We're looking for the future elites of the country. And we have, we have acts, we don't have access to, you know, like Coke money, but we do have people who are willing to give us their time, finance certain things. And, you know, the one thing that we want to, we like Dunbar's number a lot. So we kept our first event at 150 people. And it was interesting that in out of 150 people who were there, there were three, four doctors, four or five lawyers and like 12 or 13 in law school, because law fair is going to be the future. And if you're going to, if you're going to go forward, you have to have people who are on your side, who you trust, who you trust, who, you know, know the secret handshake, who are going to be able to fight law fair for you. So, you know, Jeff dice of the, of the, formerly of the Mises Institute was one of our speakers, and he brought, he brought his wife there as lovely wife Paula. And one of the things he said was, sorry, what do you think? One of the things he said was, he said, I've, they both said that they could, they were never as impressed by any event they've ever been to with the quality of people who were there. And just being in a room where you can say things, where you can speak your mind and not have to worry about how somebody else is going to judge you is really nice. So we're basically trying to create and branch out and grow out the kind of society that we want to live in. Gotcha. So how does, how does this compare to your former group that you were associated with the Mises caucus and also would you, would you say that the Mises caucus takeover of the libertarian party was a success or a failure? I mean, I would, when you consider in 2024, who the presidential nominee is, you'd have to call it a failure, I think, because that is exactly, he is exactly the kind of person that they were getting the caucus together to either expel from the party or to make it relevant. - Who are we talking about? - And are we talking about Chase Oliver? - Yes, and if we're talking about Chase Oliver, I have to play this. I'm sorry. I apologize. ♪ Chase, Chase, Chase, Chase, Chase, Chase, Chase, Chase, Chase ♪ ♪ C-H-A-S-E-J-E-S ♪ ♪ Man, Chase ♪ - All right, all right. Sorry. - Absolutely frightening. - Carry on. - Absolutely frightening. We like to cover them because we know they don't get a whole lot of press coverage and we like to be nice guys like that. Yeah, so I mean, I think it was a failure. I said very early on when I was promoting the Mises caucus, they came to the point where I thought that this wasn't going to work. And I had mentioned that I thought that if the Mises caucus was to go on and to be some kind of force, that it would be better off becoming like the National Association for Gun Rights, where you become a lobby group, where you concentrate on one, maybe two specific. And I'm talking about like, not like decentralization. Decentralization, there's a lot. You know, when you say, "Oh, we got to concentrate on decentralization. Okay, break that down for me." How many aspects are there of decentralization? - You got to break that up. - Yeah. Thanks. So I said, you know, you just concentrate on one or two specific things. The National Association for Gun Rights is a group that most people have never heard of and they're pretty much responsible for why like constitutional carries and like almost more than half the states now. I mean, they did that in the span of 10 years and they did that by becoming like just a bullying lobby group who went in and just said, "We're going to primary you with this person. We're going to flood your districts with this and we're going to make your life a living hell if you don't give us constitutional carry." And they're responsible for it. And they don't, they don't advertise it. Everybody knows who the NRA is. Most people don't even know who National Association for Gun Rights are and Alabama has constitutional carry because of the National Association for Gun Rights. So, you know, I recommended that and it was, no, we need to stay attached to the Libertarian Party. And, you know, I just saw the Libertarian Party. Once I started reading like the manager or revolution by Burnham and, you know, I started looking at like reading some Robert Conquest. He talked about how things just basically become a bureaucracy, how any kind of organization becomes a bureaucracy, especially if it's not formed around specifically being right-wing. So, like, there are very few things that you can point to in this country that are explicitly right-wing anymore that started off right-wing, like Chronicles magazine. I think you could say, is one of those, you know, I can't remember the one that Dan McCarthy writes for, but, you know, there's a couple outlets that are like the Dabbieville Institute, but things like that who started off explicitly right-wing. And then, you know, so you watch and the Libertarian Party didn't start off explicitly right-wing. There were commies in the room, there were feds in the room that's been, this isn't like a conspiracy, they've admitted, people who were there admitted it. And, yeah, so you saw where it went. Rothbard was writing about, you know, this, I forget what he called the space-brained Libertarians in what 1978 and the Libertarian Party. So, you know, I just saw it once I started looking at Burnham and reading Burnham, who I think is, you know, probably the most, he's a neo-con. Did you know he was a Cold Warrior? Yeah, okay, yeah, okay. A lot of you people like to talk, you know, promote Glenn Greenwald and other people who you don't agree with on everything else, but you can take some things from them. But, oh, you can't, but that's only from the left, right? You're only going to do it from the left. No one from the right, right? No one on the far, right, as ever, oh, but they're really not on the far, right? Everybody who's like, everybody who's a tyrant and everybody who believes in, who was a statist is on the left. Okay, argue about that all day while you have absolutely no power and the world is going to shit around you, okay? And we can, we can already left right all day. I mean, people still try to come at me with that. It's like, do you know, Francis Parker-Yocky was called himself a socialist? He was the most anti-agalitarian person who ever lived. Well, but he still called himself, he was the most anti-agalitarian person who ever lived. But he was, he was the most anti-agalitarian person that ever lived. What's your metric for being right-wing a left-wing? Oh, egalitarianism and anti-agalitarianism. Maybe some things are a little more nuanced than just, you know, you're black and white. Sorry. No, you're good. I forgot what my question was. But, Dave, you got any thoughts? Well, I regain it. It's all right. It's all right. I mean, I can certainly empathize and chase as an absolute embarrassment. He is the epitome. He was the anti-Mecis caucus candidate and that won. That won the day. So from that view, dude, I totally understand that. In my heart, I feel like after 50 years of an ineffectual, pathetic, neutered party, there has to come some kind of natural atonement. So there's like this natural balance of the universe that I feel like, okay, well, I don't like that. But I feel like this is maybe something that's necessary if you're ever going to do anything good. If we would have got even Dave, though, if Dave would have been the guy and then he would have gotten the nod and then Trump would have gotten shot in the ear and become a martyr and this living folk hero, that would have been awful too. Because we would have had to go against this shit. But since you guys know some of this inside baseball, I'll say this. Because of the Mecis caucus takeover and Angela being the chair and heist doing some really cool things, at the national level, Project Decentralized Revolution, which is the focus on local, screw everything else, that's been implemented in all 50 states. And the only states that get any kind of funding or any kind of attention from national have to be like doing that. The only other program you said, Pete, pick one or two things. The only other thing that they've endorsed to work on nationally is defend the guard and Project Decentralized Revolution. Everything else is just leave us alone. So I think that's great. And with Angela, you had Trump come to our convention. This is the thing that's really changed my perspective, is that he, unlike Kamala or any president in history, said, okay, tell me what's on your mind. What are your grievances? And he really gave, dude, I'm telling you guys, just the last five minutes of that speech he gave there was just straight up fire. I'd challenge anybody to find me any former president or chase or Mike Termatt saying anything as powerful and as potent as that shit. I'm coming in and we're going to end this Marx's mind virus and I'm, you know, no more transitioning the kids, no more CBDCs were ending the Department of Education, free and Ross. Like it's all bullshit, but it's better sounding bullshit than all the others. So yeah, it's hard to understand. He came to our house and said, what are your grievances? So you're right, people when people go, Oh, but it's done with Trump, he's a liar. It's like, yo, bro, thanks for that brand new information. But he's also the deal guy, you know, he, and he wants to be liked and popular. So I think there's a great chance of him, especially the Ross thing that takes no effort and no money. You know what I mean? Sign it, make it happen and you'll a legion of fans. So I think that some really cool things have happened in spite of, you know, the awful presidential circumstances that we're going through. Yeah, and I mean, I'm not like, I'm not one of those people. The most annoying thing is when you say stuff about, you know, I think Trump is a much, you know, we'd be much better off having Trump in there than the continuing the regime that exists right now. And I'm not saying that there'll be complete regime change. But I mean, the regime that's in there right now and the puppets that they have is, I forgot where I was gonna go with this. Oh, yeah, they're like, well, you know, he's responsible for Operation Warp Speed. No shit, really? I forgot. It wasn't like 2020 was like, you know, the year that that, you know, I decided that people just don't want liberty, they want to be told what to do. So unless libertarians are willing to tell people what to do and what to believe, they're not going to be able to accomplish anything on a grand scale. Even locally, people locally want to be told what to do and what to believe. Do you have it in you to say, fuck this person's free will. This is what you should believe. And this is what you should, you know, I don't even really care. I'm not looking, I'm not the Jehovah's Witness. I'm not looking to, I'm not knocking on doors looking for people. People find me. You know, people find me people, people contact me. People tell me to hook up five minutes early because they have somebody who wants to say hi because, you know, they've changed, I've changed their, you know, changed the way they look at the world. That's, I'm much more interested in a small group because I know that a small group can organize better than a large group, the smaller, the better. We've done estimates. We think that about really 200 people run this country. And really it, when you when you when you take it down to it, it's like the board of the Carlisle group and like the board of Exxon probably run this country. Okay. So what do you think you're going to do against that? You're going to make a five hour document around YouTube, obviously. Well, I mean, I could do that, but not going to do it. I mean, I'm done with my documentary filmmaking, except for like really niche, niche subjects that I'm interested in. But the, the whole idea that, oh, we just got to get enough people. I mean, it's hurting cats, man. You can't get, you can't get a convention floor full of libertarians to do anything or republic to agree on one thing or republicans or democrats. It's not the way the world works. The way the world works is it works because of string colors. I appreciate what Angela did getting Trump there and the whole Ross thing. If you support us, you know, well, that's, I mean, that is pure politics. Okay. And also that he would consider having a libertarian in his cabinet. That's great. But I know 10 of my friends who are like lined up to work in the Trump administration. And when I say friends, I'm not talking about people who agree with me everything politically. I'm talking about people who we're culturally bound together, people who will do something to make something better, even if not everything that you agree with, something that is valuable. Yeah. And so I was going to mention earlier is going back a couple years when I ran into a pork fest. You talked a lot about like praxis and actual things that can be done rather than just, you know, bullshit theory. On paper, libertarianism is great. But in praxis, what are you actually doing now with that you're so you have people who are actually have some poll. Can you say more? I know that there's a little bit of a you don't want to spill all the beans or tell all your your strategies out there as far as the the group goes. But is there anything that you can share or what you think is the way to go? What people should be doing? Well, I mean, I think that you should be getting together with people who you agree more with culturally than politically. Political ideology really is like a it's like an op. It's the way Burnham described it in suicide of the West was that these political ideologies that could be conservatism, libertarianism, I mean, anything basically, Marxism, everything. The way he described it in manager revolution, he said, in manager revolution, he writes about FDR, Hitler, and Stalin. And he says, what do all of them have in common? They're basically all managers. It's all managerialism. It doesn't matter that one is Marxist. It doesn't matter that one is national socialist. It doesn't matter that one is what do we want to call FDR? Whatever. They're all basically going off the same playbook. They're putting quote unquote experts in charge. The managers are in charge now. One of the things we talk about on the podcast all the time is that 70 years ago, Elon Musk wouldn't be working for himself. He'd be working for the government. Somebody from the government knock on his door and say, you're one of the smartest people we need you. We need you. Look at the Manhattan Project. They don't do stuff like that anymore. I'm not saying that's not the case now. Do you trust that Elon Musk is not in some way working for the government? Oh, he's I mean, he basically has the government by the balls. You know, the whole thing about how if you owe the bank $50,000, you're in trouble, but if the bank, but if you owe the bank $50 billion, the banks in trouble, they run Starlink. I mean, Starlink is used by the military. SpaceX, he has them by the nuts. I mean, you can look at that. That's the genius of right around 1991. When the wall, when the wall came down, when the Soviet, well, while came 989, when the Soviet Union ceased to exist, the United States and the libertarians talk about this. Pappy Cannon talked about it said, we have a choice. We can be, we can be isolationists now. We can be a shining city on the hill, all that yada yada, whatever, all that happy, happy horse shit. But they decided to go to war and right around that, they decided they were going to have a war on terror. And right around that time, you had people like Peter Teal, Marquette Driesen, all these guys coming out of Silicon Valley who, if we were going to go in the direction that Pappy Pappy Cannon wanted, would have been sucked out of Silicon Valley, pulled into the government and said, we're going to make this the greatest, the greatest government of all time. But no, these guys went private because that's not the direction they wanted to. And then, as I would have said five years ago, I would have said, oh, they're just a bunch, they're a bunch of welfare queens. They're a bunch of tax feeders, maybe, or they saw that in order to see the kind of world that they wanted, they were going to have to have ungodly money in order to do that. And they played the long game and they went to business with the government. They built stuff like Palance here. They built stuff like SpaceX. They built all of this stuff that would just make them billionaires, the most powerful people on the planet. And then a day would come like 2024 when the regime had gotten so destroyed from the inside, so incompetent. I mean, the Army War College says that if we, if the United States Army was fighting the war in Ukraine, we would have been out of soldiers in six weeks. We have less than 30,000 enlisted men of soldiers to fight in the military, in the Army. The country is basically doomed. And now, these guys who were tax feeders and welfare queens, well, they took all that money that they stole from you because you let them. Oh, no, we're victims. Okay. And now they're going to build the world they want to see. And that could have been you. It could have been the government. We could have, I mean, we could have a government that people, I mean, I know there's going to be, there are some people who are so contrarian that any kind of government is going to drive them in is just, no, no, no, I'm being stolen from, no, no, this is this is status. The true rebels, you know, the ones that are out there doing the work. Yeah, my friend Tobias Tobias Ruck German got into crypto guy. He's now way, he won the lottery, and he's a citizen of Lichtenstein. And he comes, he's on my my Sunday live streams in the in the comments. And you know, always comes in and goes, the weather today in Lichtenstein or something like that, or went to mass this morning. And then he comes into my DMS and shows me stuff from like the museums there and everything. He is living in a place where he doesn't have to worry about Haitians. He doesn't have to worry. I was about to say how many Haitians does he have to worry about eating his cats? But yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think Prince otherwise, Eloise is, is, you know, importing them. So you have, you have all these people who could have been working in the government to make this like the greatest country on the planet, the planet's ever seen. But they went into business for themselves, realized that they were going to have to, because they didn't have a political ideology to hold them back, gathered up billions. And now they're, they're on the verge of like, they kind of run the world already. But they're on the verge of making shaping the world into what they want. And when I think about that, and I think about what I used to promote with libertarianism, how are you going to compare the two? What libertarians want to see a world in a certain way? What are, what are they doing to, you know, a friend of mine said, voting until they said it free. They're just voting until they said it free. Come on. Well, a friend of mine said a couple of years ago, and it was a real kick in the nuts when he said it, he said, libertarians are honestly the most offensive offensive people in the world. They believe that they have this ideology, this way that the world works, that would end war, that would be prosperous for as many people as could be possibly be prosperous. That basically, you'd have a society of voluntary interactions. But the war thing, the worst thing that there is, and you're not going to do a fucking thing, you're, you're, you're just going to scream my nap when you're told, when it's like, well, maybe you should get away from yourself. You should, they're going to, they're going to, it is, it is theft. But you're going to, you're, you're going to talk about how, you're going to talk about how, you know, war, and let's, we got to defend the guard, yet, you're not going to do everything it takes to get power. You want to, you want a libertarian state, get the government, put your people, put your personal, your people in the governor's office, and the national guard, done, done, and then just be like, to the federal government, and you're going to have to stop taking federal dollars and be like, fuck you, fuck you, this is the way we do, oh, oh, you just shipped 20,000 Haitians in here, national guard, put them on buses, get them the fuck out of here. But no, no, that, that, that, those people, they have the right to, they have, why would you impede their right to travel? Oh, what? Pause for effect. We've got a lot of thoughts. We've got a lot of thoughts. And we are running short on time. I do want to get to some fake super chats. We do got to run this real quick ad. But everybody, hang tight, we're going to get to your comments in just a second. If you got the rage for Pete, feel free to drop it in there, put fake super chat and all caps and we'll try to get to as many of them as we can. 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One of my favorite Dave Smith quotes is that libertarianism is beautiful in its simplicity, but it doesn't tell you how to treat your girlfriend other than don't hit her. The good thing about legal philosophy, we can talk a little bit about that. Legal philosophy and rights, as far as I'm concerned, are cultural historic. I mean, when you look at where our when you look at our Bill of Rights, our Bill of Rights comes from the hit British history, comes from the Magna Carta, comes to anything else like that, we gave our Bill of Rights to Liberia. Anybody want to go live in Liberia? So you can call it a legal theory, and that's great. But who if you're going to have a legal theory, you have to have people who are who have the, not only the desire, but the ability to abide by it. I will say right now to you, those 20,000 Haitians that they bust into Springfield, Ohio, you can scream to them about legal theory all day, and they're still going to eat your cat. I think you think that I think libertarianism will save America or something, and I want to be clear that I definitely, I didn't say that. I definitely do not. I would not advise the people of Ohio to start passing around copies of anatomy of the state while they're going through a fucking crisis. No, that is not, that's not a good idea. I do, I kind of want to ask you about the paper. We started talking about the PayPal mafia, and then we've kind of just trickled throughout. You mentioned Peter Teal, pal and fore that. I got to get one more fake super chat in, fake super chat from Tim Brown. This is my favorite one so far. Can we get a hail meta and a praise be Pete? Let me get you on big screen here. Hail meta and praise be. Thank you. All right, Dave, go ahead with your question. So, yeah, these guys, this has been something that's been weighing on me and I've been thinking about it, and I just started listening to Peter Teal on Rogan's show, and I just can't quite- That's the worst interview. Oh, God. Okay, all right. Give me something else. I was getting an interview where he had Mark Andreessen on. I mean, Mark Andreessen, who I is like somebody that I would love to sit down with, but I mean, a billionaire is not going to sit down with me. It wouldn't be a good look. And 11 minutes into the show, he's asking about aliens. Come on, motherfucker. See, and the show that I hate the most is one of the most is what's the one with Constantine Kissen and the other guy? Triggeringometry? He just, Teal was just on Triggeringometry like three weeks ago. Do you want to see a good interview with Peter Teal? That's the interview to see. They get much more into his philosophy, and they talk about AI, and they talk about technology and everything, where Rogan wants to talk about the fucking pyramids. Get Graham Hancock on. Why are you talking to a fucking billionaire about the pyramids? Pete, I think some good items brought to you. No, it's all good. If they're going to join your elites club, they should probably come on your podcast and talk some shit out. But who else is in there? I feel Elon's in there, right? He's got to be these big government contractors, worked his way in. Who else? Is Eric Prince in that club? Now, Andreessen, David Sacks, a lot of lefties, a lot of people who are far left. Jason Keller, I can never remember his name from the All In podcast, that Reid Hoffman obviously is a left scumbag. It's a pretty diverse group, but it seems like the ones that are, I'm looking at the ones who are supporting Trump. So I would say, out of that group, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel is not openly supporting Trump. So I wouldn't even put Peter Thiel in that. They had a big falling out a couple of years ago. I would say Elon Musk, Mark Andreessen, David Sacks, definitely Bill Ackman, you can throw in their Google. So yeah, there's guys like that. So I would love to, like you said, these guys, historically, might have been plucked by the government, which CIA, that's what they would do, historically, as early as teenagers, go find these people and pluck them out, put them in special places. But what evidence is there to suggest that that isn't the case, or that in the case of Palantir, that was funded within Utah Money, that's CIA Money, that's government at the inception of it. So why? I would love to believe that these guys are just new money that's coming into the challenge, the system, and coming in to take over, I guess, at its end. But is there some proof to say that, or is it just like you're feeling about these guys? I guess I would like to see something that says they're not on the side of the government. Just because you do business with somebody doesn't mean you're on their side, I go to Walmart all the time. Now, if Walmart was going to pay me insane amounts of money to do business with them, even though I don't like them, I'm going to do business with them, because the more money I have, the safer I am from this Leviathan. The first time I ever heard about Palantir, I think it was probably like the first article I ever read about it was I was late to the game, to like 2013, 2014. My first thought was, so he owns the software. He hasn't sold the software, he's leasing the software. This would be an insane thing to use against your enemies one day. I say you wanted to bring down your enemies, you have this software that is intelligence gathering. Then you look and you say, okay, so they do business with the government. Elon does business with the government. Elon is obviously the things he says are completely at odds with the government. They bought Twitter. Now, understand, Elon didn't buy Twitter. Go look at the list of people who bought Twitter. PayPal mafia is all up and down Twitter. Why would you buy Twitter? Okay, you could buy it for the data. You could buy it, so let the Babylon be back on. Or you understand that it's a place where political narratives are born and you can control them. Do you think that if after what you saw with the Hunter Biden laptop that if after Trump, the whole thing in Pennsylvania with the trying to shoot Trump, do you think any of those videos would have been allowed on old Twitter? No, it would have all been censored immediately. Do you think that Trump is controlled up? I just have to know because it seems like you do. Oh, I'm pushing it. I think every billionaire, I think if you see an outfacing billionaire, somebody's there with them. Somebody's controlling them. It's not like there are certain people want to talk about Larry Fink all the time. Larry Fink and Black Rock on my... Larry Fink is a friggin' mutual fund manager. That's all he is. He doesn't have his own money. Go investigate the Carlisle group. Everybody's like, "Oh, Black Rock is worth $11 trillion. They're not worth $11 trillion. They're worth like $50 billion. They have money under management, but it's not there as it belongs to your friggin' parents. It's in their IRAs and in 401Ks. Then go investigate the Carlisle group." This is a group that has money under, it has money. I don't know, maybe the U.S. has invaded six countries for them? Yeah. That's power. That's power. That's what we should be aspiring to be is what you're saying. We should be more like the Carlisle group. Well, sure. Especially if you intend on helping your own people. You want to have the kind of power. People have asked me, they're like, "What do you believe? What is this and everything?" It's like, "I want a government that has power enough to protect the culture that I want to live in." Simple as. But this government does have the power to protect that. It chooses not to. How do you fix that? You have to have your own people. That's why I was. You have to have your own people in charge. I know. Let's get that and combine that with this fake super chat here from Drugs for Robots. He says, "Fake super chat libertarians are still wrestling with might makes right. If the right doesn't have might, the wrong and evil will overrule and run amok." No. What is the solution? I know we've kind of gone around this topic a little bit already, but you want to get- Might doesn't make rights, but it definitely makes rights. Like, if you want to have rights for your people, you need might in order to do it. If you want your people's rights protected, you need might in order to do it. People are not going to the problem I have with libertarianism is just the as a grand, see, you may want to break it down to a legal, something legal, but I've been in the Mises Institute and I've been in their bookstore and there's a fucking book related of libertarianism related to everything. Animal rights. I mean, you can find a book about everything and I've read them all. So I'm coming from a- When people want to talk about libertarianism to me and you want to just say, okay, no, it's really just about this and everything. It's like, you can say that, but then you go to like libertarian Mecca and there's a book about everything and there's a class about everything. The people in Mises University are not only that weak, they're not only learning about legal rights. I mean, that's an economics week. And to me, economics is less important to me than closing down churches and not allowing people to go to church. Yeah, I agree. 100 percent. Yeah. I'll just say, though, go ahead. I'm sorry, Dave. No, go ahead, Dave. Liz. So I would just say that I think in addition to having you, like you very well might be right, man, we're ruled by maybe 200 people who really pull the strings, but I think that that might be a bit of a tall order to just get your own group of a couple hundred elites. And I'm not saying you've got to win hearts and minds necessarily, but the reason that they are successful through the progressive era is because they've propagandized us just like, let's say, since Bernays, 100 years. So the culture here was, I'm not talking, screw the second amendment, the piece of paper, all this bullshit. I'm just saying the culture is for guns. It is for rebellion. The culture here is for self-defense. So it's being eroded over time, but I think that you definitely can't just say, embrace your rights or else, or this is the system we're going to, or like, that'll never work. I think don't you think we have to like, do some kind of reverse brainwashing or something? Yeah, but that goes back to telling people what to believe and what to do. So you don't have to really, you're never going to get the perfect. So as long as I don't, I'm not under the impression I'm ever going to get the perfect, even if like every one of my guys got elected or were like elites, I would suspect that a good portion of them would become self-interested that would be would be out of my interest. But what you what you want is so like this, you know, people are like, oh, so what are you what are you doing? What are you doing? Well, we were undergoing a good friend of mine, went on the biggest podcast in the world and caused the White House to denounce him because he was, you can say his name. Because he was, because he was parroting things that are set on my podcast. When, when Daryl Cooper said it is essentially, since the Nuremberg trials, there's essentially been illegal to be right wing in my, in the West. That's from my fucking podcast. Okay. And guess what? The fucking regime took notice. Elite billionaires are recommending the books that we're, that we've been recommending. The vice president, the, the future, probably the future vice president in the United States, JD Vance. And so this isn't all about me. He follows like almost all of my mutuals on Twitter. Yep. We're, we're influencing them. My, my first look into him, me and my wife looked into him because we didn't know anything about him when he got appointed. She called me on the phone. I was out of town and she was like, JD Vance got it. I was like, who's that? And she gets on Wikipedia and she's like Curtis Yarvin. Like if there's anybody who's, you know, who's becoming the vice president, whether or not you agree with everything on Curtis Yarvin, it's like, if they're being influenced even by Curtis Yarvin, that's a, at least a step in a different direction than what we've ever had direction. Even if you don't agree with anything he says, Curtis Yarvin is not on the regime side. Right. Now you could think he's worse than the regime. And I would call you retarded. But I mean, the, but when, see, I know who JD Vance is, because I started talking about PayPal mafia back in, well, I mean, I've known who JD Vance is, because I was watching his debates, um, when he was running for Senator in Ohio. Sure. And the, then in February, my friend Matt introduced me to this whole PayPal mafia theory that they were trying to move into Trump's, Trump's campaign and influence, and influence him and basically take over so that they could work behind the scenes. And we said in February, I can point out, I think it's, I can't remember the, the number of the, the episode, but it just searched PayPal mafia in my, my thing. It'll be in February. We said that we will know that the PayPal mafia is a real thing if Trump picks JD Vance as his, if Trump picks JD Vance or Vivek as his vice president, because they're both of it PayPal mafia, um, Jason. I mean, I've known who JD Vance was this whole time. And I've known, and I know, I know who, I know JD Vance, you know, follows members of the old glory club. You know, so it's like, I'm like, so all these guys who are moving into positions of influence aren't, you know, you know, talking about libertarians, but they're influenced by the books that we have been talking about, James Burnham, people like that. And they're actually posting them to read this book. Yeah. And they, then they follow, they follow us on Twitter. And some of them subscribe to our sub stack. And you show up to our libertarian party conventions. Yeah. And so that's, that's awesome too. Um, yeah, Vivek, I think Vivek did a great job. I think Vivek is a good, um, exposer of him. He sounds like Warren Mackenshire to me when he's not, when he's on like long form podcasts, when he's on stage, he's usually doing like more of a mega kind of talking points. But if you listen to him on the Sean Ryan podcast, he sounds like Warren Mackenshire. So yeah, I think that we're, I think that we're having a big influence and, anybody who says we're not, I mean, you're just, you just don't know because you're not, you're not paying attention and you're not part, I'm not, I'm not in your, I'm probably not influencing the same people. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I'm, I'm not, I'm not in your Twitter DMS. I can't, I'm not showing you the screenshots that I show people and they go, holy fucking shit. I can't believe that this person's following you now. I mean, Eric Prince is another one. Eric Prince, Eric Prince didn't need the money. His dad invented the friggin light behind the visor in the, in the vehicles. He didn't need the money. Yeah. He just decided to do what he did. They moved him out and now he's angry and just want to remind you, and I have, I do have to go. Sure. I just want to remind people, when you have somebody who rises up to make change, who wants to make change, especially to try to move the, you know, try to challenge the regime, it's always an insider. Caesar was an insider. Pinochet was an insider. Franco was an insider. You know, anyone, you don't have people who come out of nowhere that no one's ever heard of. It's always somebody who was in the regime and then all of a sudden they changed their mind. I've changed my mind and a lot of us have changed our minds to believe that a billionaire or somebody who has power or somebody who's been a, a welfare whore all these years can't change your mind. You're, that's insane because you see it all this time. And I do, I know you got to get going. I do want one more fake super chat. You will end on this, give that. And I did want to ask your thoughts on what's going to happen with the debate tonight. Feel free to answer it if you got time, if not, feel free to bounce. But no one at all says fake super chat. No one has done more research to support every word they say than Pete. No one has more integrity and drops more truth. Thank you, Pete. Pete, any final thoughts on any of this? And where can people find you? And then you can, you can get the hell out of here, man. The Pete Kenyano show and I talked about the old glory club. If you go to our YouTube channel, we'll be live streaming and live, live streaming the debate tonight. And we live stream the first debate between, was it Biden and Trump? And that was great. That was frigging hilarious. We had a great time. So if you want to get an idea of the old glory club and, you know, a little check out our sub stack and check out the live stream tonight, I believe it starts at what does that start us eight eight Eastern? Yes, the debate. Yeah, I think it's eight central nine Eastern. Okay, so it'll be eight central. Yeah, it'll be my time. Yeah. So come on, come on by, we always have a good time and you you're there's gonna be one belly laugh. There'll be at least one belly laugh. And it may be either way, there's gonna be a belly laugh, no matter what, no matter who's watching it where, if you're being honest with yourself, there's gonna be a belly laugh in Trump versus Kamala, the final showdown. It's gonna be a good time. I appreciate you guys. Thank you very much. Thank you for inviting me. Thanks for being here. Anytime. Take care. Take care guys. See you. Bye. Bye. Dave. Dave, how you feeling about that, bro? He's the man. I like people a lot. Yeah. Yeah, when I set it up, you know, I assumed that you guys would have less. When I said that you guys would have been more odds a couple years ago, I meant like you were still like heavily into the Mises caucus and he was on his way out of the Mises caucus and I know that you're a guy who likes to talk shit online when people disagree with you. So I assumed you guys probably budded heads at some point. Is that, is that not true? I think we might have had a couple like I probably was like, yo man, show the fuck out a couple times or, you know, something to that effect. Because again, I don't blame anybody for like not wanting to participate in anything. If you're if you're just not into it anymore, whatever that is, like get out. But I thought some of those guys could have been a bit more delicate with some of the people who were still chose to, you know, just been cooler, but you still feel that way? Yeah. I mean, just choose to be quick. That's a general statement. Be cool when you can be cool to good people. Gracefully kick rocks when you decide to. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with whatever leaving whatever you're not into anymore. Just I still I stand by my statement though that after he left some rather cool shit happened. Sure. Yeah. Something to consider. Yep. There's a lot of nuance. It's neither here nor there. It's everywhere. And if he's wrong, let him know or let me know. Feel free to slide into my DMS or shoot me an email at dan@tsidpod.com and be mad at me for having Pete Q the, the, you know, the evil scourge of libertarianism, former libertarianism back on the show. But if you disagree, let us know. If you don't, great. Thanks for being here. Dave, working people find you. Do you want to do an after party? Do you want to do anything else? Should we drag this on? Or are we good? Are we good? I think we'd let's call the one for the day. Yeah. Okay. I have Angela in an hour and a half. So you got. Yes. You got Angela. I'm having a date night with my wife. We're watching the debate tonight because we're that big of nerds. Yes. I will probably be watching you and Angela too. And I'll slide into your comments section. I'm going to try to and give you shit for not having a real Mike Dave. You should do. Man, I was really hoping nobody heard that. I immediately put two and two together. But they were like, Dave, keep, turn your mic up, turn your mic up. And I was like, yeah, I did. I was like, oh, yeah. Looks good. Let's go all the way. It would have been too. It happens. I certainly don't have any room to talk since we had our even still all of our technical difficulties today. But Dave, thanks for being here. Working people find you work. They could watch you. Angela, all the shit you got going on, man. Yeah, you can find me on Twitter, Dave versus Goliath1. And you can subscribe to my YouTube channel. So we do a monthly-ish podcast and we're doing one tonight at six o'clock. So come hang out. It'd be great. Awesome. Yes, it's like when there's any clips or something that's about how often Dave does a podcast. So you don't want to miss it. You don't want to miss it. If you want to catch it live, do it. It's going to be wrapped up before the debate, right? You're not competing with the debate? Yeah, she's got a heart out at seven. So like an hour. Perfect. Perfect. Yes. Everybody go watch Dave tonight. Everybody, thank you for being here. Everybody go watch the debate tonight. It is going to be historic. In one way or another, there's a lot that we're going to get into later this week. We're definitely going to have to do a recap of that debate afterward. But we're not going to be competing with people like, you know, like our guest Pete Q or the Stephen Crowders or the Tim Pools of the world who are streaming it. I will be live tweeting most likely because that's what I do. And I'll be making stupid jokes about it in my stupid way. But we'll be given a full recap at some point this week. Dave, do you have any predictions for this debate tonight? Do you have any anything that people should watch for or any drinking game proposals? Bro, I want to see something reminiscent of Kamala's. I'm speaking. Mr. Vice President, I'm speaking. I want to see some of that. And that that's actually a thing because the rules are kind of, the precedent for the rules were set with Joe Biden in the last one where he was like, I don't want anybody to talk it over me. So we're going to have to like cut the mics in between. Now Kamala Harris, I think it was even CNN was saying yesterday that those rules that were pre-established are going to actually hurt Kamala Harris because she's like, she's a district attorney. Like she, she's there for the, I'm speaking. Hold on. I'm speaking. She doesn't get that. She doesn't get the clap back. So it might actually work against her as in opposition to it working in Joe Biden's favor because Donald Trump couldn't say, are you speaking? Are you even speaking? So it'll be fun to see how she deals with that. I hope that Donald Trump is not the bitch that we've seen of him from him as of late. I really hope that we get a at least one because you'd be in jail. Just give me something to work with, man. I'm on thin ice here. And yes, Dave did the debate last night and I agree with him. If not him, give me something better until then, I guess, like I'm not, I'm still not in the camp voting for him. But that doesn't mean I don't want him to win out of the two people that are going to win. That doesn't mean this ain't mega country mother fucker. Sure. Yes. Between the two, it seems like an easy choice to me. But it's still, I've got my complaints and I'll bitch all the way up until election day. And Dave, thanks for being here. I look forward to seeing what you, how, how now you are able to actually criticize Angela McCartill after last night's microphone performance. You know what? I'm not leading hundreds or thousands of libertarians. She is so hook that shit up. Well, you won't be with that attitude, Dave. Good call. You're right. Follow me elites. We will start the 200 of us. We will take over. We got this. Thank you all for being here. Thank you for hanging out in the chat, sorry, we didn't get to more fake super chats. But thanks to those that we got to. Take care, go watch Dave, go watch the debate and tune in next time for our thoughts on that until then, question everything staying comfortable. Be bad. Have fun. We'll talk to you then. See you. Welcome to the system. Everyone's a victim. Doesn't matter if you're black or white, I hate you all. There is all the system. Violence is a symptom. Fighting for what's right, but somehow everyone is wrong. [BLANK_AUDIO]
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