"George, yes, Joe, let's talk about porn. For what reason? This movie is about Larry Foote who ran Hustlers, a porn magazine which, to my surprise, is still published in 2024. Why would it surprise you? How is anybody still buying dirty magazines in the 21st century? How is anybody asking an invisible man in the sky to grant them wishes in the 21st century? Do you realize eight states banned Pornhub? You know what's more certain than death in taxes? People jerking off and other people seeking laws to stop them from jerking off. Of course, we are still buying smut mags. We live in America where it's easier to get a gun than to see a pair of tits in some communities. Are you kidding? Don't they make a similar point in the movie? Yeah. I mean, maybe this movie still works and maybe it doesn't, but bullshit about sex? That's still a thing. Agreed. In fact, that's kind of where I was going. I wanted to look up some facts about porn and the amount of other nonsense online that pretends to be unbiased facts, but is just a few degrees short of ministry for virtue and the prevention of vice. Everything is sex trafficking. Everything leads to making your kid a sixth craze of maniac and endless. What about the children? What about the children? A country that doesn't have national child care and will charge children in schools to eat. Sure likes to pretend to care about kids when it comes to smut. Fuck you. Get your priorities straight, dedicate yourself to ensuring our gun laws make it impossible for some asshole to shoot up seven-year-olds and then I believe you about how much you care about the children. Yeah, this cold opens pretty angry. Sorry. Let's just a jack-o-off as the theme music plays and then we'll be relaxed for the rest of the show. Yeah. Okay. Whoa, and it does this still work. The podcast looks like someone who's going to ask, does this still work? I'm Joe Dixon and I'm George Romaka and today we're discussing the people versus Larry Flint from 1996 and some historical context. First, podcast-y stuff. You can reach us at dtswpod@gmail.com on Facebook, Letterbox, and on our YouTube channel. Joe is on Blue Sky at Joe Dixon dot BSKY dot social. Please tell your friends about us, even the ones that inject their Christianity into your porn and leave five-star ratings everywhere. You can pick what we watch and get extra per episode content by finding us on Patreon for as little as a dollar a month at patreon.com/dtswpod. Now Joe, take us back to 1996. This story takes place in several different places, Kentucky, Cincinnati, Georgia, California, and Washington, D.C. Larry Flint got around, folks, and so are we. According to my research, the large distributor of pornography in 1996, America was about to cut off its customers. George, read this headline from editorial in the Winchester Sun from Kentucky, peddling porn at the PX. This editorial, which can be found in the show notes, supports a defense bill amendment that would ban the sale of pornographic items on a military basis. Now it seems like this wasn't settled back then because I saw pieces from 2013 covering how the Pentagon has people review what sort of naughty material was allowed to our men and women in uniform. George, I know you were a good Christian boy during your days in Navy, but were you aware of this and did they ban or curtail people's consumption during your time? I never bought porn magazines at the Exchange, what I did was on the version of the internet that we had back then, went on porn sites, downloaded pictures, and put them on a CD that I sold for $20 a pop on deployment. Wow, I've never seen that side of you before. I wasn't very good at it. I made 40 bucks. Wow, many guys didn't want to buy it, huh? Yeah, well, yeah, I definitely did get high on my own supply, if you know what I mean. Do you remember what the porn was? No, it was a little girl or a girl or, it was a bit eclectic. Ok, I was aiming for a broad audience, gotcha. Alright, let's go to a Cincinnati newspaper for this next story. George, read this headline from the Cincinnati Post. "Cable, smart, law-rejected, but cable operators may ban some shows." Here's a Supreme Court decision that struck down a never enforced 1992 law restricting children's exposure to indecent programs on cable television. Of course, indecent is an overly broad term and thus violated the First Amendment. That's why it was never enforced. I don't know what shows were affected by this because this law never covered HBO or Showtime. I tried looking at what ban they could be referring to, but I didn't find anything. But George, you're a dad. Was this an issue for you? Were you afraid your little ones might run across some man on woman action? No, by the time I was a father, my religious intolerance for people with other sexual orientations had cooled quite a bit. I was not at all concerned about what they would end up seeing. Ok. Eh, let's move on to Callie. Ellie Weekly had this story from 1996, headline George, nine inch males, magna cum laude, porn style. Someone had a lot of fun writing that headline. I'm sure they did. I would quote, "some men spurt, others dribble, some lean to the left, others to starboard, some guys shave their balls, others, the reader will get the idea." In the world of gay porno films, all men are most decidedly not created equal, nor endowed by their creator, etc. etc. This highly specialized environment is a locus of Ronnie Larson's long running play about the business, making porn, a comedy drama that occupies a middle ground somewhere between Susan Faloudi's bleak sex actor profile in the October 3th, New Yorker, and the whimsical bohemie presented by Leonard Melphy's silly disco era sitcom porno stars at home. Although Larson doesn't seem to always know what kind of story he's telling, it's the best moment to making porn because it's less than about greed and its corrosion of our nobler instincts making it a truly deadly sin. And George, I'm going to assume you, like me, have never heard of half the stuff mentioned in that paragraph? Less than half of it. Okay, so let's go over a little bit of it. So I looked it up and listened up and you can do further research if you like, but briefly this is what I found. Making Porn was a play about the 1980s gay porn industry by Ronnie Larson, a play here in New York at the Actors Playhouse in Greenwich Village for 500 performances. Besides New York and LA, the play has also been performed in Palm Springs, Chicago, Italy, Australia, and Canada. The gimmick of the work is that it had real porn stars in it, however, I don't know if they were in each other while they were on stage. Susan Faloudi's article in The New Yorker was about the suicide of male porn star Cal Jammer. It's behind a paywall, but I did provide a link in the show notes. And Leonard Melphy's porn stars at home was another comedy drama for the last century. It was our porn actor's home life, but I think let's play it as a joke, huh? Don't know, never read it, never seen it. Hope that was helpful to everyone. Okay, talks, tell us about the people versus Larry Flint. Alright, this is directed by Milo's Foreman. For the show, we've seen his work in One Flew to Koo Hoo's Nest and Amadeus. And I've seen his work in Man on the Moon. This is written by Scott Alexander. A who wrote Dolomite is my name, believe it or not. And I've seen his work in Problem Child. This was also written by Larry Karizowski, whose work I also saw in Problem Child. Blurbs. IMDB says, "The story of controversial pornography publisher Larry Flint and how he became a defender of free speech." Okay. Amazon says, "Larry Flint becomes an unlikely hero when he takes his struggle against the radical religious right all the way to the Supreme Court. Woody Harrelson and Courtney Love Star." Mm-hmm. Okay. I think IMDB hits it closer. Yeah. I wouldn't call him an unlikely hero. He doesn't actually make the arguments, and he gets in the way of the making of the arguments quite a bit. Yeah, he's not a hero at all, he's kind of an anti-hero. Yeah. He works against his own cause by being who he is and doing the things he does. But... Yeah, just being a complete dick. Yeah. So, the film starts in rural Kentucky. Their family is poor, and their father are drunk. Larry breaks a jug over his father's head for drinking their profit margins. Larry Flint is played by Woody Harrelson, who we've seen on the show in, in decent proposal, white man can't jump, and anger management. Both George and I have seen him in Austin Powers, a spy who shagged me, and I've seen him in Natural Born Killers, three billboards outside of Ebbing, Missouri, two detective the miniseries, no cut for all men, wag the dog, kingpin, money train, and venom. I've seen him in two zombie land movies, a bunch of hungry game movies, and one Star Words movie. All right. And Jimmy Flint is played by Brett Harrelson, who I've seen in Kingpin, and I didn't realize was, in fact, Woody Harrelson's brother. Mm-hmm. They didn't look that much alike to me. Nope. Fast forward to the early 70s, and the Flint brothers are running a strip club in Cincinnati. Larry gets an idea to publish a newsletter of sorts to drum up business. Jimmy is skeptical, and rightfully so. That newsletter, Hustler, quickly becomes a full-fledged porno magazine with articles for people to ignore and all. Do you know what made, I mean, I guess I sort of mentioned it in the film, but the thing that made Hustler stand out from the, eh, maybe I guess they competed with Penthouse on this, but they were the first one to show the term, I believe they called it Pink, that is, I showed the Vijayjay, unlike Playboy. Yeah. Did Playboy was top only? Yeah. As Hustler is getting off the ground, a new stripper comes to work for him, then catches his eye. Althea Leisure isn't quite legal yet, but that doesn't stop them from canoodling. You are not the only person in this club that had every single woman in this club. Althea Leisure Flint is played by Courtney Love, who I've seen in City Nancy and Man on the Moon. That's actually, whatever, she had in the Courtney Love, she doesn't seem to be acting anymore. Yeah, I don't know, Joe. That was a more rhetorical question, I didn't think you actually had the answer. Okay. Well, these two become an item right quick. Sales are slow, and that stress leads to the first and only time Larry puts his hands on Althea if this movie is to be believed. We can blame it on that stress and see him never do that again because immediately afterwards they get a call from an Italian guy who's got pictures of former First Lady Jackie Kennedy Onassis in various forms of undress, apparently she was some bathing on Aerostarlo on NASA's. I think that's his name is Boked or something and, you know, she was outdoors, so it wasn't illegal and they took snapshots of it. You can't be naked in public folks and expect privacy. Nope. When the governor of Ohio is buying your magazine, you know you've made it. Hustler makes Larry a millionaire and puts him in the crosshairs of groups like Citizens for Decent Literature and the like, who start looking for ways to legislate smut out of existence. Look, this movie obviously very condensed, but it's hard to believe he just goes from "Okay, I'm selling this on NASA stuff than I'm a millionaire, I'm sure there's a lot more steps before that happened." Yeah, but it was already a two-hour movie. Yes, yeah. So you have to be fair, yeah. To celebrate, Larry throws a red, white, and blue party and even invites his folks to stay at his mansion. In the hot tub after a menager qua, he and Althea clear up that marriage doesn't have to mean monogamy and get engaged. Oh, you must have loved that scene. You're like, "Oh, let's speak of my language." You done? I guess so, yeah. A magazine brainstorming session is interrupted before Althea can finish flushing out her idea of a Wizard of Oz themed spread. "You're under arrest on charges of pandering obscenity and insonity and engaging in organized crime." Uh-oh. Uh-oh. "That organized crime, uh, references of." Very interesting. [laughs] Considering the background of the actor playing Larry Flint, not that he was in the mob whatsoever, Woody Harrow so he's not a mobster, but his dad he was. Uh-huh. His dad was apparently a hit man. Was a real live hit man. You're thinking of movies, they send them to be made up because they're like, "Who's played just to go out killing people?" But no, they really wasn't doing it. I mean, I'm sure he had other jobs, but his main job was like, "I've got to put some bullets in people." Mm-hmm. Oh, oh! One more thing. I don't want to forget, and we're probably not going to bring it up again. Matthew McConaughey thinks that Woody Harrow said maybe he's half-brother because his mother knew his dad and apparently some things may have happened there, but they never just took a DNA test. Huh. So there's a whole... I mean, I don't know how this isn't a book or something, it's a little fascinating story there. Yeah. As arranged and he's met by his new lawyer, Alan Isaacman, Althea hired him. He's got big ideas, and even though he doesn't particularly like porn, he does recognize that there's more at stake here than just this magazine. Alan Isaacman is played by Edward Norton, who he's seen on the show, in America through X and Fight Club, and we've both seen him The Incredible Hulk, The Imogen of Lion, Glass Onion, Burnt Man, or the Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance. And I've heard of such a party and seen in Asteroid City. And I've heard him in Isle of Dogs. In 1997, at Hamilton County Courthouse, Judge W. M. Morrissey, played by Larry Flint himself, presides over this case. Isaacman's arguments about freedom of expression fall on deaf ears as the jury finds Larry guilty on all accounts. Larry is less than thrilled about this and has some words for the judge, who sentences him to 25 years in Ohio State penitentiary. Yeah, I mean, I get being upset by saying that the judge does not make one decent decision so he got there and called him a bunch of names. Intelligent decision. Yeah, he's probably not the way to go. No, that one's sentencing is about to happen. And that's only the start of his court behaviors. The film allows for one visit from Althea while he's in prison before moving on five months to him being cleared by an appellate court. He throws together by bankroll, Americans for a free press, and stages a barely attended rally. He argues that war is the most atrocious act our species commits, but photographing it is not a crime, yet sex, which is perfectly natural, and most people want, is illegal to photograph. Mm-hmm. Can't argue there. Nope. Hustler keeps growing. So to speak. Yeah. When Larry gets word that store owners are fearful to sell it, he stages a stunt to get himself arrested and cleared by taking over a store and selling it. Larry was quite the showman. Mm-hmm. Then he gets a call from Ruth Carter Stapleton, sister of Jimmy Carter and prominent evangelist. He and Althea have dinner with her, and she convinces Larry to become a Christian and get baptized. Althea, Jimmy, and the rest of the board are not fans of this, nor the Christian notification that Hustler undergoes as a result. Ruth Carter Stapleton is played by Donna Hanover, who I did not recognize. I know her from her work in New York. She was an anchor on, I think, Channel 5 of Toronto and I can't remember which station. And she was the former Mrs. Giuliani. She was Giuliani's wife at the time when she was working for the news station. And one day, Giuliani announces he's a good divorcing owner. And how does he do that? By walking around town with his new girlfriend. And I'm telling you, this is how she discovers they're getting into divorce, because he's a classy guy. Yep. But I had no idea that I did not recognize him. Well, I didn't know Donna Hanover was an acting good for her. His change of heart almost does him a favor. Next judge he'd be sitting in front of is willing to let it slide on account of his conversion. Larry shoots it down, though, insisting that he goes to trial. You know, I completely forgot Ruth Carter's stable to an actually existed. I remember this suddenly vaguely, I mean, I was pretty young at the time. So there's no reason it would stand out of my mind. But I do remember this porn guy and she was suddenly converting him and it's all like in the back of my brain. It's like I was a kid at the time, so I don't remember much of it, but like I completely forgot about this woman. Isaac Minn argues well, and Larry is clear of the charges. Then outside the courthouse, a sniper shoots both Larry and his lawyer. They both survive, but Larry is paralyzed from a waist down. Ruth visits him in the hospital and he renounces his faith, which is a interesting way to go about it. I mean, I don't know why he decided to go along with that dumbness in the first place. Me neither, Joe. Hustler goes back to its pre-Christian roots, to the relief of everyone, especially chronic masturbators, and getting shot in the south leaves a bad taste in his mouth. That somewhere is Los Angeles, California. There, he and Althea become addicted to painkillers, him because he's in constant pain, her because why not? It's there. I guess, you know, when she is first introduced into this movie, I already got the impression that she was on something, she comes across as a drug addict. Uh-huh. Interestingly, she quit drugs to do this movie. Mmm. And then we're right back to him. No, she stayed clean. Did she stay clean? Yeah. Good for Courtney Love. It is Courtney Love, right? Yep. After a few years of this, his doctor recommends a surgery to deaden the nerves that are causing the pain, so he gets that surgery. He and Althea then go cold turkey off the painkillers and get back to work re-re-smutifying hustler after years of people trying to play nice with Reagan's moral majority. Mmm. Always a mistake. Mmm. Larry's next legal battle comes after a leaks video of the FBI entrapping John Delorean into a cocaine selling scheme. I also vaguely, I think, I probably remember this better than I remember the whole Ruth Stableton thing. Cause yeah, it was all over the TV, uh, this video of this man being so cocaine by the FBI. Mm-hmm. Do you know who John Delorean even is? Uh, he was a member at General Motors, he was an inventor, and then he went on to found the Delorean auto company, the ones that made the Delorean from the Back to the Future thing. Okay, yeah. Yeah, you got it. I mean, I'm looking to his Wikipedia article in the- Oh, I fucking knew all the time. Yeah. No, that's cheating. See where it's linked in trapping John Delorean? I see the- Yeah. The government wants him to name his source. Larry refuses in a variety of creative ways. These include wearing the American flag as a diaper, and spitting and throwing an orange at the judge. He also fires Isaacman. And not for the first time, I believe, right? He flies him throughout the picture, doesn't he? Or am I wrong about that? It seems like he fires him more than once. It seems like what he would do. The judge declares him incompetent and orders him into psychiatric treatment, where he falls into a depression. While in the psych ward, Althea comes to tell him that she's got AIDS. Mm. That came out of nowhere. Mm-hmm. And during this time, Hustler publishes a satirical booze ad featuring evangelist and all-around horrible person Reverend Jerry Falwell, who sues for libel and emotional distress. Reverend Jerry Falwell is played by Richard Pole, who we know from the show and the man who wasn't there. And I know from a very old TV show that no one remembers is called Carter Country, about a black sheriff who goes to work in the southern town. It's close to blatant saddles, but not quite. Huh. Obviously they don't use the in-word in it at all, but he's educated. And I guess it's closer to the heat of the night, really, because the sheriff is kind of up. He's a good guy, but kind of a dope, huh. I mean, we're in for like three years, it was decent. I enjoyed it. And of course, it's called Carter Country because Jimmy Carter was the president. Hm. And this is in the south, so therefore, Carter Country. Yeah. Larry countersoos for copyright infringement since Falwell copied the ad and circulated it in his own newsletter. Good move. Hm. In December, 1984, Larry is found guilty of causing Falwell emotional distress, but cleared of the libel charge. Have you ever actually seen that fake ad? Nope. I should have posted it in the show doesn't see if I can find it. It's actually kind of funny. I believe it. It is Jerry Falwell. And it talks about his first time with his mother. Yes. And then that was the Capri ad, it's like talking about your first time, first time drinking, and this gets first time having sex with his mom in the outhouse. When we get a scene of him and the hustler staff, where he hugs his brother in a kind of reconciliation, he'd fired the entire staff at one point. I lost track. The end of his brother says you're not fired, so. Yeah. In June of 1987, Althea passes out from a drug overdose and drones in their Bel-Air bathtub. Larry finds her body and Harrelson acts as goddamned heart out. Larry convinces Isaac Min to take his emotional distress case before the Supreme Court. From IMDB Trivia. The closing argument by Edward Norton was taken verbatim from Allen L. Isaac Min's closing arguments. Isaac Min revealed this in a documentary of the film. This is going to be the longest sound clip we've ever played. Of Ed Norton as Allen Isaac Min giving his closing arguments to the Supreme Court. And I just think it's interesting that it was actually what we said before the Supreme Court. So I think we are doing a historical service here. Sure. Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the court, one of the most cherished ideas that we hold in this country is that there should be uninhibited public debate and freedom of speech. Now, the question you have before you today is whether a public figure's right to protection from emotional distress should outweigh the public interest in allowing every citizen of this country to freely express his views. But what was the view expressed in exhibit A? Well, to begin with, this is a parody of a known compariat. I understand. Go ahead. Okay. Also, and more importantly, it was a satire of a public figure of Jerry Falwell, who in this case was really a prime candidate for such a satire because he's such an unlikely person to appear in a liquor ad. This is a person that we are used to seeing at the pulpit, Bible in hand, preaching with a famously beatific smile on his face. But what is the public interest you're describing? That there is some interest in making him look ludicrous? Yes. Yes, Your Honor, there is a public interest in making Jerry Falwell look ludicrous. In so far as there is a public interest in having Hustler magazine express the point of view, that Jerry Falwell is full of BS. And Hustler magazine has every right to express this view. They have the right to say that somebody who has campaigned actively against our magazine, who has told people not to buy it, who has publicly said that it poisons the minds of Americans, who in addition has told people that sex out of wedlock is immoral, that they shouldn't drink. Hustler magazine has a first amendment right to publicly respond to these comments by saying that Jerry Falwell is full of BS. It says let's deflate this stuff, shirt, and bring him down to our level. Our level, in this case, being admittedly a lower level than most people would like to be brought to. I apologize. I know I'm not supposed to joke, but that's sort of the point. Mr. Isaacman, the first amendment is not everything. I mean, it's a very important value, but it's not the only value in our society. What about another value which says that good people should be able to enter public life and public service? The rule you give us says that if you stand for public office or become a public figure in any way, you cannot protect yourself or indeed your mother against a parody of your committing incest with her in an outhouse. Now do you think that George Washington would have stood for public office if that was the consequence? It's interesting that you mentioned George Washington, Justice Scalia, because very recently I saw a political cartoon that's over 200 years old. It depicts George Washington riding on a donkey being led by a man, and the caption suggests that this man is leading an ass to Washington. I can handle that. I think George can handle that, but that's a far cry from committing incest with your mother in an outhouse. I mean, there's no line between the two? No, Justice Scalia, I would say there is no line between the two, because really what you're talking about is a matter of taste and not law. As you yourself said, I believe, in Pope v. Illinois, it's useless to argue about taste and even more useless to litigate it. And that is the case here. The jury has already determined for us that this is a matter of taste and not a matter of law, because they've said that there is no libelous speech, that nobody could reasonably believe that Hustler was actually suggesting that Jerry Falwell had sex with his mother. So why did Hustler have him and his mother together? Hustler puts him and his mother together in an example of literary travesty, if you will, and what public purpose does this serve? Well, it serves the same public purpose as having Gary Trudeau say that Reagan has no brain or that George Bush is a wimp. It lets us look at public figures a little bit differently. We have a long tradition in this country of satiric commentary. Now, if Jerry Falwell can sue when there has been no libelous speech purely on the grounds of emotional distress, then so can other public figures. And imagine if you will, suits against people like Gary Trudeau and Johnny Carson, for what he says on the Tonight Show tonight. Obviously, when people criticize public figures, they're going to experience emotional distress. We all know that. It's the easiest thing in the world to claim, and it's impossible to refute, and that's what makes it a meaningless standard. Really all it does is allow us to punish unpopular speech. But this country is founded, at least in part, on the firm belief that unpopular speech is absolutely vital to the health of our nation. Thank you, Mr. Isaacman. I mean, good fucking argument, indeed. And I just put the, I'll link to that, to the ad they're talking about, fake ad, obviously. So everyone's welcome to read it. It's in the show notes. Yeah. But on those arguments, like that thing about emotional distress, it's the easiest thing in the world to claim, and it's impossible to refute, making it a meaningless standard. Fucking right, man. I don't know. 100%? Yeah, of course. The Supreme Court, in fact, agrees. They decide unanimously in favor of Larry Flynn. Now, we should make it, make it a point to point out, this was a way different Supreme Court than the one we have today. Well, not only that, they depicted nine people on the Supreme Court. There were actually only eight at the time. Oh. One of the justices had just retired, and Justice Kennedy hadn't been sworn in yet. So when this actually took place, there were only eight justices. Oh, good thing it wasn't deadlocked four to four. Mm-hmm. Now, someone might ask, "Why did they go with nine?" Well, probably because people wouldn't know exactly when it took place, and they would just be writing in saying, "Hey, you fucked it up in the movie," so they just went with nine anyway. The film ends with Larry laying in bed watching a Larry Flynn-style home movie of a younger, healthier Althea. And the film also ends with title cards. The only one I'll mention is Larry's. It says, "Larry Flynn lives in Los Angeles and publishes 29 magazines. He is still confined to a wheelchair. His assailant was never brought to Justice. This is no longer accurate. The man who shot him was caught and convicted of a bunch of other killings, and he was put to death in 2013. His motivation was racism. He was triggered by an interracial sex spread in "Hustler," and that's why he went after Larry Flynn. Ahhh. But Larry Flynn actually spoke out against that guy's execution. He was anti-death penalty even for that guy. And Larry Flynn no longer lives in Los Angeles because he died of heart failure in February of 2021 at 78. No, he literally lives in nowhere anymore because he doesn't live. The end. The end indeed. He, a little bit more background, he would go on to remarry. And then when he died, his new wife took over the business. I don't know how well it's doing these days, but that's what happened. He got a new wife and apparently they had a kid. I guess I don't know if it's from a previous relationship of hers. He couldn't have fallen unless it was insemination or something, but they did have a child and the kid accused them of, of molesting them. But I don't know whatever happened to that. Yeah. Is that a downer? No, it's not. I mean, it sort of goes right into our conclusion that it's does this still work or not? Mmm. What do you think, Joe? Oh, you want me to shut it up? Okay. Yeah. 100%. I think it's a very good film. Like I said, it's a very streamlined, but yeah, I mean, how much longer? I didn't want to watch a three-hour movie about Larry Flynn's business fight. Yeah. By the way, the actor was very good. I think God knows the issues that were presented are still a thing in this dumb country. So yeah, I think it still works. Yeah. I'm inclined to agree with that. This movie was way less raunchy than I thought it was going to be. Yeah. Isn't that amazing? It was very, very chaste. Yeah. For a movie about this particular guy and magazine, I thought it was going to be way more exploitive, but it wasn't. Like it was surprisingly tasteful. Mmm. I don't know how the language wasn't, but whatever, like it worked. And no, you don't have to go into every nitty-gritty-dirty detail. It didn't make him out to be a perfect human being either. He was an asshole and a weirdo, and it did a good job of portraying that. But yeah, the stuff about him and his kids, like, it's kind of gross, but wasn't necessarily germane to this story. Oh, no. And it all happened after the event of the story, so of course, yeah, it wouldn't be in this way. But yeah, yeah, you don't go into this thinking you're going to be pals with a reflect. He was a scumbag and a douchebag, although, you know, the people he went after like Jerry Falwell, we're even bigger douchebags, so what are you going to do? Creepers like the life it may have been. Jerry Falwell, I consider way worse. Always. Jerry Falwell is always worse. Well, this was a Patience Choice episode, and the poll for the next one's film is already up on Patreon. The choices are, what if this may fall from 1986, Harbor Bosses from 2011, and The Evil Dead from 1983, which I feel like we may have already said in a different episode. Like, I think when it was going into this Patreon Choice, we read those lists off because I fucked it up somehow. I feel like I suddenly did ruthless people before. Yeah. So, well, we mean it this time. Yes, we mean it this time. If you want to vote, but are none of the Patreon, you fix that, but become me one at patreon.com/dtswpod. Now, George, what's up next? Next week, we'll be talking about Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants from 2005. By pants, we mean actual jings and not Levi's, not underwear, like they'd believe in, well, they'd call pants in the UK. Okay, then. It doesn't mean a trivia for you out there, folks, as we wrap up the show. So, I guess that's it for this episode. I'm Joe Dixon. Thanks for listening. And I'm George Romaka. Thanks for listening. Indeed, because of a podcast drop center, there's no one around to hear it. It's just another collection of ones and zeroes that doesn't matter. Larry? Yeah. Take up your pants. What? Take up your pants. What? Because I never fucked a million every time. You've been listening to "Does This Still Work?" produced by Joe Dixon and George Romaka. The hosts can be reached via social media, email, or the contact page at dtswpod.com. Be good to yourself and others, because that still works. You've got to not write yourself run on sentences. It's kind of my fate. Dear Miss Manors, my best friend's nine-year-old son called last night and asked me to contribute on behalf of his karate club to his local children's hospital. Dear Miss Manors, my family and I had family who came to stay with us for a couple weeks. Dear Miss Manors, I recently discovered that I have a fifteen-year-old son from a very brief, dare I say, relationship.
