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And I know me and you did, and a lot of fans did, but you know who didn't, Nick, and this is where the problem starts for me. And this is why when I say this, don't blame Daniel Jones, stop blaming Daniel Jones, stop getting angry at Daniel Jones, don't be mad at him. It's time to start being mad at the other people. The people who have sold us this bill, because look, they said, we're going into the season with Daniel Jones, our quarterback won, and there ain't no competition for him. Drew locks your backup quarterback. We're not resigning, Tyra. Davido is your third string quarterback. We're developing Davido. No draft picks, no free agents at the Capitol spent at this position. Daniel Jones, your QB won. They walked us into this thing to week one to the point where now in week two, we have a coach being asked if he's their starter. We have a feeling of no hope in a season, in week two of a season, which is unacceptable, to be completely honest from a, from, for a fan base, unacceptable for a program to do that. And so I'm starting to think, Nick, enough, we knew that he wasn't going to be the guy. So at what point do we turn this over and say, it's actually, we should be angrily angry at Brian Dable and Joe Shane for putting us in the position where this was our only option at quarterback, the only real option. And we're going to see Locke at some point if he continues to play this Bab Jones. And maybe he can prove me wrong on this, Nick. I hope he can. I don't think Davido can, but maybe he can prove me wrong too. But the reality situation is, dude, we've been sold this bill where this is your QB one for the season and that's it. And at some point, I can't be mad at Daniel Jones. I can't be angry with how bad he played because I knew this is what he was. He was a better version of what he showed, but he was never going to be their guy, to be completely honest. Let's just be, let's just be real about this. So then, whose fault is it that we're entering year six with no quarterback competition for quarterback, who's been as bad as he's been on film over the first five years. Yeah, there's a lot that goes into that. I mean, we can go back to the 2022 season, winning all those games, winning the playoff game and how that's kind of slicing the New York Giants up a little bit now, because that led to this contract that led to more Daniel Jones after the same regime did not pick up his fifth year option. They did not believe in him initially. He ended up winning them over and now he is here on his second year under contract with this 40 plus million dollars a year type of deal. Look, he was the option to go for back then. If you wanted to bring the band back together, you were going to resign Daniel Jones. If you bought into the development, then good for you, Brian Dable. We hoped that we could see a little bit more from Daniel Jones, but the 2023 season was a 2023 season. And we didn't enter your point. Why didn't you go and upgrade the quarterback spot with an often injured quarterback, who was coming back from this torn ACL, who looked like absolute trash the last time we ended up seeing him. You decided to let Tyrod Taylor go and bring in Drew Locke. I can make a case that Drew Locke is competition for Daniel Jones. If Drew Locke is able to get comfortable in this system. I think from a skill set standpoint, Locke has a bigger arm than Daniel Jones. What we saw from Daniel Jones, though, in week one, it was, it's inexcusable and he looked so uncomfortable at some point, you're more than likely going to turn the lock. But I think people would say, there were quarterbacks available in the first round. Why didn't you go in that direction with the Michael Penix Jr with the bonics and with the JJ McCarthy who was unfortunately out right now with the injury. I'm still maintaining that going with Malik neighbors is was the best thing to do in that situation. I wanted to ask you, are you in that same camp still. Is this more of a you should have allocated more towards a serious tie rod Taylor or maybe even better than tie rod Taylor type of backup because of Daniel Jones's situation and the severity of the reality. If this, if this goes south, your job is probably gone. Brian Dable, possibly Joe Shane and not doing that and rolling the dice on and you can make maybe a card reference or poker reference here rolling the dice on Daniel Jones with everything that we saw in the 2023 season and the injuries factored in with the contract stipulations as well was, was very risky to say the least. It's like I'll make a quick call for reference. It's like the Daniel Jones situation to me is like when you go up to the hole. There's a whole when I was first learning golf last summer. I played a lot of East Orange golf course shout out to anyone who knows where that is. It's one of the biggest dump golf course in the history of the world but it's a great course to learn on cheese and you've played there with me before. There's a hole that you won't remember but it's hole seven. It's a 278 yard par four and it is the most narrow tee shot you're going to see in the entire course and one of the most narrow of any course you'll play such a crap course that they have to jam holes together. One time Nick one time I hit a driver somehow this is the best drive in my life that drove the green and what that means Nick is I walked up to my ball now it had bounced to it didn't carry 275 it probably bounced like 30 30 ish the 35 maybe even 40 yards I did not see where it landed. I would guess I hit it about 240 carry and when I got up to my ball dude the hole was it was over the hole and it was a 12 foot putt for for eagle. And since then Nick I've used driver every single time I've got up to that hole despite it being stupid golf to do driver and guess what happens most of the time. I hit it out of bounds and I have to take a penalty and I'm shooting for three when I could have just hit an iron and left myself 140 yards to the hole or something like that. This is what the Daniel Jones experience has been. The Giants have convinced themselves they've had it's like, it's like a runner high it's like a it's almost like that's the high it's the high from that driver it's a golfer high that high you got that feeling from that driver, that moment of oh my god I drove the green I can never not try this again. The flashes he's shown the Giants have two different Giants regimes have chased that high for six years now these fleeting small moments of high but my point Nick is what I was going to say before is what you touched on. It's not that I've changed my mind I'm like, you know what my evaluation was wrong on these quarterbacks because I don't give a crap about bone X I think he has no shot in the NFL from what I've seen in his first game and I thought that before he played in the NFL. There's no way anyone who can't challenge the field more than 10 yards is going to make in the NFL. Pennics we haven't seen I wasn't high in his injury history I thought that was risky I wasn't high in the one time he had to deal with pressure in college which is against Michigan I thought he had a great old line great system that he didn't know would translate. And then McCarthy we all said we mean you both said if we're going to be wrong about wanting neighbors over any of these guys that will be available outside the big three it's going to be McCarthy because we knew there was arm talent to work with there. There was a young young there's traits there he was tough, but I would still take neighbors today what I'm saying is this. You did all these moves Nick this offseason to improve your roster you made a wildly aggressive mood to trade your 39th overall pick and then allocate one of the biggest contracts for defense fan in history for Brian Burns that is a win now move that is a bring talent to the roster now when I got a receiver in the first round to help your offense win now use allocated all these resources away from running back to rebuild your offensive line and put pieces in there like aluminum and run you to have had real snaps that can help your offensive line play now if you're out if your whole decision is look we're not tanking we're not playing for the future we're trying to win now then how in the hell can your QB to be drew lock and I'm not going to bury lock yet. I'm not saying Russell Wilson would have saved this team but I think Russell Wilson if we are at the point where we could have been could have ran this offense better anyone could have ran the offense better than what we saw in week one we know that just in field I mean it was a what like a sixth or seventh round pick the steel just in fields I'm less so interested in even though the town of the town is there I just kind of think he shot as a processor. I agree with the shot of this I do agree with the shot as a processor thing but you wanted to slide in a wild card. Like and again you're at the guarantee a roster spot to him so there's kind of a lot into that but that that's an exciting shiny toy sure you could put him in there it's not my point of this. This point is not to narrow it down to each individual it's just to say that if you're building for now and that's what they did. How in the hell can you walk into a season with Daniel Jones is a no competition QB one which essentially what it was drew lock did not get any first team reps throughout any of training camp. If you don't get any first team reps or any of training camp right. Jones stepped into that thing with all the reps and you are our guy you're our QB one and I'm putting aside the injury thing and I'm just saying man if you're going to make all these moves to win now and you're going to say that. That this is your QB one you're essentially just repeating in my mind at least to an extent obviously not fully because again they didn't have their chance of Drake may they made it clear and hard knocks they want a Drake may they wanted Jayden Daniels they made that clear as well. They also made it clear they didn't really bind the Jones you saw how they will look when Shane said all right if we can't get any of these quarterbacks we're going to get neighbors and give it to Jones it wasn't a great look. And you saw Jones and talked to I'm sorry not Shane Jones you saw how some of Shane's guys his main guys talked about the quarterback situation you knew they weren't comfortable with it. But they didn't act on that lack of company they said Tyra Taylor's a top six priority then they didn't have the money to sign him. Russell Wilson they brought in but they couldn't guarantee him a real shot to compete for the starting job which again they said no this is Jones's job so he's not going to sign there he's going to choose a place like Pittsburgh where he has an actual chance to start. All of these compounding factors Nick that planes is something that just stands out to me. Are they are this table and Shane do they kind of think like the Jones truth is like forget what we've seen on tape. It's just been the old lines fault and the receivers fault because we have five years of tape now man and he has not put on tape NFL caliber processing within a pocket. He has not put on tape a consistent basis of being having a good feel for a pocket understanding pocket management understanding where to move within a pocket when to move within a pocket. He has not had good eyes at any point in his tape his miles of tape of bad eyes. It doesn't know where to go he's slow process can't move the ball never comes out of his hand everything's clunky. I mean we're talking about years of tape of this stuff to three different coordinators. And yet this was the plan the plan was we go forward with our QB one undeterred with no competition. There's only one place you can hear a three-time national championship winning head coach. 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In order to accurately assess this situation, we have to look at the meat and the potatoes as to why he is the starting quarterback right now. And that is the investment that is the money that was given to Daniel Jones. And you want that money and, ironically enough, with the injury stipulation, that kind of throws a real monkey wrench into this entire situation. But you don't want your $40 plus million quarterback a year chilling on the bench. So he's going to get that first crack and unless everything falls apart, kind of like what we saw in week one, and that continues, he's going to have that, he's going to maintain having that chance. But there's an argument, at least to say, and I agree with what you're saying, Dan. But there is an argument to say, look, let's make a $5 million investment in a respectable backup quarterback who had some success last year with the Seattle Seahawks in Drew Lock. And he could be that failsick to start if Daniel Jones is not ready. And as a contingency plan, this was a player who was not cut, we know we can win football games. And I know people are not going to like to hear this, but this is probably what they were thinking. We know we can win football games with Tommy DeVito. Because this season right now, where we can't get rid of Daniel Jones, because it would absolutely tank every situation because of the dead cap hit, we can't make this huge investment into the quarterback. So we are going to have these three guys to go with. We have at least a proven record of winning football games with Tommy DeVito. Drew Lock is an upgrade over Tommy DeVito in theory. And then if Daniel Jones is healthy, gravy, sweet, we could see what we can do. But other than that, it's kind of like punt the season. I think that's kind of where they were at. But they weren't viewing it as a punt this season, because you have three options that Brian Dable as the play caller would be able to leverage or use and try to maintain a capable and competent-ish type of offense, which we did not see in week one. Yeah, it's just I don't doubt that that was maybe their thought process, Nick, because I think you soundly put it out. But the point of this podcast and the point of making and the take that I'm putting out there is I'm angry at that. I'm not angry at Daniel Jones anymore. I'm not frustrated with Daniel Jones, because no one should be, again, no one should be frustrated with what Daniel Jones did in week one. You should have expected at this point. He'll be better than that against Washington. I have his random good moments. But that's what Daniel Jones is, a flash in the pad, put together a good game here and there, but he'll put together mostly bad games. He has more pick sixes than touchdowns thrown since he came back. He has a little comfortable on the pocket. He has no three touchdown games to his name, basically in his entire career. Sam Darnell just threw for three touchdowns. But one time we saw him, he has a third of his games, Nick, a third of the games Daniel Jones started, dude, have not resulted in a touchdown pass. One third of the games is the most astounding stat that should immediately tell you. I mean, I saw it comparison the other day of Dave Brown error versus the Daniel Jones error. They're eerily similar. The Giants essentially repeated the same mistake they made as a franchise with Dave Brown, but made it worse because Dave Brown was benched after three years and rode the last two years before the Giants cut him on the bench. Jones was never benched by this team. He was a little opposite. He was named the unquestioned starter for this 2024 season. When you invested in Brian Burns, you brought in all these guys. You spent to the cap. They spent to the cap, dude. They bought in all these pieces. They didn't. This wasn't a rebuilding year. This is not like the Carolina Panthers. Now they played this off season or any of these other teams that are fully rebuilding, though they have a quarterback. So who knows what's going to happen there? They went in. They spent to the cap. Joe Shane said, we're going to win football games. They made it clear, but then their plan, they put that whole plan together, Nick, but then part of the plan was we're going to win football games with Drew Locke, Tommy DeVito, or Daniel Jones, and we're going to do it by saying Daniel Jones, you have no competition at all on training camp. No one will take first team reps, but you, that's it. You're our guy. That's the part that really starts to anger me and gets me really frustrated because I can't accept it anymore. And it really, it's look, there weren't that many options. That's the only thing that I have saving grace about this. I don't think I don't. I'm not mad. They didn't take this quarterback in the draft. Last year in the draft, they didn't have an option either, but there was an option to upgrade QB2. And I spoke about that all off season, Nick, and the importance of QB2. And it's even more important when your quarterback, your QB1, if that's what we're calling Daniel Jones, because he's not on any other team and won't ever be after this career with the Giants, is my prediction. And I hate to say it. It's such a make me a hater. It's just calling a goddamn fact what you see, all right? Who would start this guy besides the Giants? Who would start going to a year with this guy as their unquestioned starter? No one, no team's going to do it after this year. And so the fact that the Giants did it, and they just said, this is what you get, it does make me question them, dude, because they could have had Russell and said, look, we'll have a real chance to compete. Why are we guaranteeing this thing to Jones at this point? Like, why did we go into this year, guaranteeing this? And then on top of all that, dude, since the neck injury, the second neck injury, he just hasn't looked good or comfortable throwing the frickin football. We just broke down the tape yesterday. The ball came out ugly, dude. Like he had one really nice looking past the neighbors where the ball did rip in there with a tight spiral, but most of those fastest came out really ugly. Some of them from really clean pockets and his feet are not connected at all to his base right now. Like the top half and the lower half are way off. I just watched Sam Darnell on that film review. We just recorded and we just watched the tape of Sam Darnell. He was connected the entire game. Like his mechanics look better than they've ever looked with one all season work with Kevin O'Connell, which leads me to believe because Brian Dable has a past working with Josh Allen. This guy is just not fixable, Daniel Jones. It's not always the coach's fault, right? We've been through three different coaching and every single time it's, oh, it's got her, it's fault. He can't teach this guy. Maybe it's just the player. The player can't fix his footwork. The player can't fix his mechanics. The player can't get a comfortable feel in the pocket. The player can't process a defense and the player can't throw the ball of velocity or accuracy or timing or anticipation. It's not always the coach's fault when you have three different coaches come in and this guy is still the same quarterback. And if sometimes and week one, at least, regressing in many ways, regressing from six years ago, but was never good at Duke and was never really good in 2019 when he had a negative EPA and just beat up on three bad defenses. Then why don't you just get the, how is this guy your unquestioned starter? And that's when I get to the point, Nick, where I'm just like, maybe I am scorched earth on this, this regime. Maybe I don't need Joe Shane passes here. And maybe I don't need Brian Dable passes here either. If this is just what it's going to be. We shouldn't as fans have a season like this where my brother and plenty of other fans, Nick, have put out and shelled out thousands of dollars for season tickets, thousands of dollars. They have PSLs and then these season tickets and the parking passes. And in week one, it feels like a season is over. And why does it feel like a season is over? It's not because we had some massive injury. It's because Daniel Jones is the unquestioned QB one. And everyone who has any kind of train of thought knows the Holy shit. Is that what I just watched? How do I have any hope the rest of my season? And every one of my friends, man, even the guys who have held onto Jones for the longest, they texted me this week. And they said the same thing, dude, they all were done with Jones, but they all were like, Lord, what's happening next year? What's the draft pick? What's the quarterback situation? We shouldn't be thinking about the draft week two. We're kind of conditioned to at this point, with the Giants being as bad as they've been, we're almost conditioned to, which is very sad. It's a very sad state of the franchise. To say it was precarious to go into the season with Daniel Jones as your unquestioned quarterback one is an understatement. It was wildly precarious. You doubled down on the mistake that you made, which could be the defining moment, the defining decision of the Joe Shane era. And that was giving Daniel Jones the contract. Now, what you could have done to hedge against that mistake is deep tie rod or bringing a real competent or not even you could have made the same exact decisions that you made. You gave Drew Locke and Tommy DeVito first team snaps. You gave them some snaps with the first team, but the Giants just looked at Daniel Jones and they said, this is our guy. And I don't think they believed that he was going to be as pathetic as obviously what we saw in week one. And during training camp, look, man, I understand people saying he might just be cooked. I think this could be a confidence stand. I don't know if it is a physical thing, because he's throwing the football around the yard in training camp. Like he's accurate. Now he's not getting hit. That's a completely different argument. I get that, but it's not necessarily like, Oh, well, I physically can't throw the football anymore because of the neck injury, because he's doing it all around training. No, not because of the neck injury, but it could be a situation where look when you're in training game, because we saw him at a great training camp two years ago, too, before his horrific 2023 season. But he was physically throwing the ball better anyway last year before the neck injury. But it could be a situation where when you're in training camp, Nick, and you don't have the bullets flying and there's no pass rush and there's no concern, you feel like you don't have to speed your process up as much. Right? Like I feel like that's leading to some of these throws coming out so ugly. I agree with his feet. His feet are so not connected. I don't know if that's a physical thing as much as it is like the pressure. It's Daniel Jones, dude. Like, again, I think you're right. And I think I'm going to stop using physical. I think it's not a neck related thing. I think it's a it's a it's a mental thing at this point. I mean, it's hard. It's hard to say. It could be. I'm not a doctor. I have no idea. But like, yeah, like we know, like one of our biggest gripes about Daniel Jones dating back to his time at Duke was he was in a more simplified type of offense and his eyes were slow. We were saying that like his rookie season was like, yeah, it's a rookie. Give him a break, you know, and like we all bought into that 2020 was kind of a disaster over here. So we're like, I has a little bit of a disaster. I don't know if Jason Garrett's going to help him. And then Jason Garrett thing ends up getting thrown out the window for any kitchens comes in and then Brian Dable comes in and kind of settles it down. He gets a lot out of Daniel Jones and gets us to somewhat buy in. You and I had our reservations about Daniel Jones because of the reluctance to target downfield. We beat this dead horse to death and back at this point, right? This freaking horse is not our fault. It's because we got this is what they put in front of us. Exactly. No, it's your fault. No, this is our quarterback. We talked about the quarterback. The whole point of this podcast, essentially his quarterback football is made by the quarterback. I know you need a team around him too, but the best teams are always the teams with the best quarterbacks and the team around them. It's a simple sport. 100%. But but now at this point, man, look, you you don't have the option other than Drew Locke, right? And that's the point. And I think dude for the sake, if you don't move the football, and again, I said this like in the last two pockets, but if you don't move the football against Washington, Drew Locke has to be a starter if he's ready to. That's a whole nother thing because of the hip injury that he suffered in a previous week one. Yeah, and it could be the veto, which we've seen him win football games with Brian Dable somehow, which is like crazy at the same time. But no, man, actually look decent against Green Bay's defense. That was probably his best game of his career, I would say. So to be fair, like I agree with the sentiment that you're putting out there, like the essence of what you're saying. I'm trying to view it from Joe Shane's perspective where he's like, look, I already made that investment. I can't just go to John Mayer and say, look, this guy sucks cooked. It was a terrible decision. John Mayer also has an affinity for Daniel Jones as well. So let's just surround him with a solid team, an offensive line that he's never had, bring in that number one receiver, and see if we can get something out of him. And it just so happens that week one was the absolute stone cold zero percentile outcome from that. It was like the worst outcome that could have had because it was just you're right, by the way, Nick, but it's like, think about it from the standpoint, you're right. But let's just put the defense aside, because demons played horrible, but that's not the point because the offense played horrible. So if you're Joe Shane and you're concerned with John Mayer and how he's affinity towards Daniel Jones, I know one thing you're more concerned about when it comes to John Mayer, it's that he hates to see an embarrassing product on the field. And week one, when you're that product on the field, you're embarrassing. So the people have paid their hard earned money. And he knows that the end of that game, there were skull chants in the crowd, you could hear it on TV. I mean, he walked back and I heard from Pat Leonard, like he didn't say anything and he looked really pissed. You know what pisses off John Mayer more, embarrassing your team. And do you know why you were so embarrassing? Half was your defense, which we talked about. And half was because your quarterback played the worst game of his career in the first game of this new season, with the third year in the system and Malik neighbors down the roster and an offensive line that graded out as the 10th best and past reduction in pro football focus wasn't as good. We agree as the grades, but wasn't bad and wasn't the reason why Jones was so was so bad. And so if you're Shane, shouldn't you really be thinking about how do I get the best product on the field? And that's where I come to the the hall Nick, because I'm at the point here, dude, where like, I don't really care what the what the homers think about the statement. I can't understand why Joe Shane and Brian Dable would think that this could be the quarterback for your team. And they went into this thing with him, but basically there's an unquestioned QB one and they didn't want to allocate resource. Like you said, the other to the quarterback, and you're right, because we heard it on our knocks. They're like, yes, tie rods are top six guy for us out of all the positions, but we need to get our old line. And that means we don't get partly. And it means we don't have enough money for a QB two. I personally think other factors played in the tie rod decision. I think he didn't want to be here. I think he was not happy with the veto starting over and once he was healthy. And I think he felt disrespected from the start by never getting a chance to compete with Daniel Jones for the QB one spot when he signed the deal because he Jones is Jones is what Jones is. And I know Tyrod knows what Jones is because Tyrod seen him in practice, no offense to Jones. But the point is, and it is what sounded offensive thing. He's a nice guy. He works hard. And I don't support the fans who waited for him after the game and and you know, trash talk. And I think that's lame. I think that's terrible. And I don't think that's a good thing to do. You're gonna get that privilege. That's a privilege, you know, for fans to interact with the players. That's what that is. And going over there and acting like you'll lose that that privilege for everybody else for the good people who would never die. Right? Yeah. So and it's also excellent for like kids, man. You have kids you want to go for the kids, sign your autographs. Great point. You're selfishly effing over those kids. And I don't want to use that word, but you're selfishly screwing over those kids who would wait for that. That's a great point, Nick. And it's just the lame thing to do. Like you don't need to go tell him how bad he is. And again, don't blame it on him anymore. That's my point. Like, that's what I'm worried about, Nick. Like, do you, Joe's like, I've always said, you know, years ago, I said this, Nick, I would love to get a one-on-one opportunity with Jason Garrett to his side of the story and to really hear what he thought about what went down. And as I guarantee you, he would have some interesting thoughts about Daniel Jones. And I'm going to be honest with you, who are still believers of Jones. You weren't, you're not going to like what he had to say. Okay. And he wouldn't be, it's not because he has any motivation at this point, Jason Garrett, to blame Jones or to be mean to Jones or hurt his feelings or, you know, be a baby who's complaining and blaming it on Jones. He doesn't care what we think of him at this point. He's done. Like this job with the Giants done, he's not going to coach again. He's in media now. But I bet he gives some honest answers about Jones's inability to manage a pocket, inability to process his full field progression, read system and inability to throw the ball consistently and accurately the velocity anticipation. These are all things we've seen on tape for six straight years. And you guys have, some people have buried as it doesn't mean anything because he doesn't have a good team around him. And so now I'm getting to the point, nice, Jason Garrett poll, I'm getting to the point, Nick, where I would want to have that conversation with Joe Shane and Brian Deble, right? Like, how could they believe in this guy at this point to the point where, and I understand they paid him, Nick, but how could they believe in him at the point where they said he's our unquestioned starter, no one's taking QB1 reps against him in camp. And that's just it. We're bringing in Drew Lock at a bargain barrel price. I agree. I think there were significant concerns with the Giants heading into training camp because they didn't think Daniel Jones was going to be available for training camp. Okay, we're having a torn ACL. And when they received the news that they were actually going to get their quarterback one who they're paying $40 million, that was like a positive. I was like, oh, man, he can get the reps, get comfortable with the new pieces, the offensive line. They can all be on the same page, which they weren't on week one, Malik neighbors, and then develop the rapport, which we didn't really see. So I think there was probably a level of excitement from them that they received their quarterback back, and they didn't have to go to Lock and DeVito who were your contingency plans. And maybe that's one of the reasons why it was like a default, like he's going to get all these reps. So he's really prepared and I like that. I like that thought. But again, it comes back to why is that this your guy, though? That's what I want to know. What have they seen? Go back to the original sin of giving them the contract, man. Sure. But that's done now. That contract is all over. And by next year, they can get out of it if they really want to. And they're, I mean, at this point, so they don't have to go down if they will or they won't. But they knew that going into this office, and they knew that they could get out of it next offseason at a minimal cap hit. So that's the thing. I wonder, like, I just, this is where it comes down to my frustration. Now, like I said, point this podcast, I'm done blaming Jones. I'm not blaming if you're just looking at football, we're going to point out and observe the things he does wrong. Because that's the game. And that's what we do. That's not hating. That's called evaluation. But I'm done being mad and angry about him being the quarterback one. And I don't care about anyone who, you know, who thinks he should or shouldn't. I've tilted my anger, dude, toward these, to the management, to the regime right now, because why are they chasing these brief highs from this guy when he can't put anything consistently on the field, Nick? And how am I supposed to feel confident moving forward about a regime that did what they did this offseason, bringing in burns and doing all those pieces to try to win now, but then also combine that with your QB one unquestioned is Daniel Jones. And by week two, we're deciding one, should he remain the QB one, despite they're not really being a rookie behind or any kind of interesting competition. Like, right, like if they had drafted Drake May, it would have been a totally different discussion when Brian Dable's ass should you bench Daniel Jones and Drew Locke and Tommy DeVito to not only one should they've done that, but to like long term with this regime, dude, how am I supposed to feel hope when week two of back-to-back seasons and last year, I didn't feel this way. But week two of their second season, the one they went all in for Brian Burns, they cleared all their cap space from all their bad past cap pits of Getty Galilee and all the things Dave Gettleman did wrong with the cap. They were in a freeing cap spot this offseason. They went in on free agency. They brought in guys and traded for one of the Brian Burns. And yet week two were questioning, is this season over? Is there no hope at all? That's at that point, like, that's when all the guys who piled on about Cho Shane and Brian Dable, and I said, give him a little time, maybe, or I just wasn't on their board with them fully, I'm starting to creep over that way, man. Like, I'm starting to move in that direction of why do I need these guys, especially if Cave on DeVito and never Neil don't step up soon. Then it's just like, these guys aren't, then it's like, oh, another story, but this is the bigger one for me. Like, why do you walk yourself into this Daniel Jones trap again for your third year? It just seems odd, because he was mad on film last year. And I know that they're not the people who say, like, Nick, don't you think that they're smart enough to not be the people who say, no, no, it was all the situation. You know they see the tape better than us, better than any. Human psychology is a fascinating thing, and you could talk yourself into a lot of situations, and you could see it from their perspective in the sense of, you can talk yourself into that. Like, well, we did have Marcus McEthan starting, and we had Joshua Zudo as our left tackle, we lost Andrew Thomas, and there was a lot of, and Darren Waller was dealing with injuries. There were a lot of issues with that 2023 team, and then you can reflect back on 2022, like, we went to the playoffs, we won a playoff game with this guy, you know, and we gave him that contract. So I can talk myself into bringing in a bunch of pieces and building up a team around this quarterback, who we obviously have question marks about because they wanted to get Drake May, they wanted to trade up, we know that for a fact at this point. So, let's just surround him with these pieces, and we couldn't get the Drake May, and let's just go at it again, and we've proven that we can win like the old football guy thing, you know, like it's full of gold at this point, but it's like, oh, well, we won, we went to play awesome, what a playoff game with this guy, so we could do it again. But at this point, man, like, there's a lot of tape out on Daniel Jones in Brian Dable's system, and I don't know if Brian Dable has a counter punch to combat the defensive court, the above average to two good defensive coordinators in the national football league with Daniel Jones as his quarterback, with no other real threat, and Brian Flores really put that on display, and I'm wondering if that's a philosophical thing, because Brian Flores is a bit different than a lot of the other defensive coordinators in the league, and his whole philosophy is predicated on pressure, and Daniel Jones seemed to be a little skittish last game, so maybe against a more conservative defensive quarter, maybe we could see a better defensive output, I don't know, but to get to your point, man, look, I would hope that the Giants would have been self-aware enough to add a better quarterback to who could push Daniel Jones if this situation were to arise. My one thing is, is Drew Lock that guy? I don't know. Like getting cammed, but yeah. It didn't. Now, we just saw Sam Darnold, who was a laughing stock, a bigger laughing stock than Drew Lock was. Go in, and he signed for double what Drew Lock signed for in Minnesota, and he looked great. Now, can Drew Lock, he did not look like this in training camp, and he definitely didn't look like this in the limited preseason season as I saw, but Drew Lock gets, you know, weeks of practice, he's healthy, can he run this offense at a more functional level than Daniel Jones? At this point, I would hope so, because Daniel Jones, again, I think he played to like his fifth percentile, you know, like he played like first percentile. That was the worst he could possibly be that he was. Maybe, like, again, Daniel Jones could be worse, I think, but yeah, no, it was probably one of the worst games we've ever seen, though, to be honest. So, I think Drew Lock can probably be an upgrade over that, but it like, what's the ceiling to that? I don't know. And then again, it's like what you said before, like he's not really, yeah, he'll get some reps that week in practice, but he didn't get any reps with these guys in camp. There's no chemistry with him in neighbors. There's no chemistry with him in any of these dudes besides Hyatt, and Slade and a little bit who he worked with earlier in camp. So, you're putting him in that position. It's just the same thing. Like, when you make someone an unquestioned starter, the other guy's not getting reps, so it's going to be more difficult for Drew Lock to just hit the ground running. And once you make that decision to go to Lock, then you kind of made the decision in general. The next step is probably DeVito at that point, at least what I would imagine. This is why I don't think they're going to bench Nones anytime soon. First of all, I think he's going to hopefully look a lot more comfortable and competent against Washington. Should happen. We'll see. I mean, it's possible to not look more, but I mean, like, significantly more maybe. But it goes back to like the psychological thing that I wanted to discuss with you, because you mentioned like the psychological aspects for Shane Dable. What about for Jones, man? Because, you know, he watched hard knocks. He said he watched it. And he said to the Tyler Donner, whoever it was, like that he was hurt by what he saw on hard knocks. Now, I don't personally, I have compassion for Jones for all the fans that are really like awful and nasty to him and the ones who waited outside the game last week, one to boo him and stuff. But I don't have compassion for him feeling hurt by the giants suggesting that they may be bringing competition. That's, dude, you need to look yourself in the mirror. If you don't think that you deserve competition at this point, you need to look yourself in the mirror and figure things out. Because it's just, I mean, look, you want to be confident. You want to always think you're the best. You can be the best. I like that. I talked about Nick in the past, the human psychology of believing that you can be the best and how important it is. But do you think this had any factor on him in week one of this season, looking the least kind of confident we've seen him in a long time? Yeah, I think absolutely. He's a human being, dude. Yeah. That's going to have an impact on you, and you factor in like the ACL. Look, I think he looked like physically like fine out there running around. I don't think the knee affected him. I didn't think he looked as fast running. Did you? I didn't think he didn't look like the fat. I wasn't like, wow, he's definitely slower because of the knee. I think though, it's like psychologically that can definitely, and again, I'm not sitting here acting like, you know, I can study this person or I'm a psychology expert. Just, you know, you have an injury like I've been injured before, not a torn ACL, I'm not a professional athlete, but you know, usually when I'm healing from an injury, I have to, you know, if I play basketball or whatever, I'm a little bit light on that ankle. You know what I'm saying? Like stuff like that. That's probably in the back of your mind. And then when you're also failing and you have pressure in your face and you miss a couple throws and you're getting booed and there's all this pressure idea when you know what the season means and how you're letting down your whole man, there's a lot that can cascade and kind of pile up on your shoulders. I honestly feel like, dude, he might have been under a dilu- until hard knocks. I feel like he might have been under a delusion that they really believe he was like this elite guy that was their guy. I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, because he said he was hurt and it was unexpected what he saw in our knocks. He was completely, it felt from what he said, it sounded like he was completely bamboozled and caught off guard by them considering, you know, trading up for a quarterback. Yeah, I mean, it's tough. It's tough to say. I mean, again, this is his livelihood. You know, I think like, I don't think he thinks he's like, Tom, I think you say that, but like, I'm pretty sure Daniel Jones, like, understands, you know, he's self-aware enough to understand that, like, he needs to play better and he needs to execute. He knows he needs to play better. You know what I'm saying? So, like, I don't know if that necessarily is- I more mean it. Does he think he's capable of it? Yeah, I'm sure he thinks he's capable. I think he does. Yeah. Yeah. I think he used to think the Giants fully believed in him. I'm not so sure he believes the Giants believe in him anymore. Okay. Okay. I see. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I can, I can. Yeah. Definitely. I think certainly that could be the case. I want to, like, say this, man, like with Daniel Jones, has there been a quarterback who has been as, as mediocre as Daniel Jones, who has had as long of a leash as Daniel Jones? And I understand there are variables to this. There are reasons why that you can, again, psychologically talk yourself into, but I don't know if there has been. Like, if we did not cover the New York Giants, if we were not affiliated with the New York Giants, if we were a Seattle Seahawks podcast or something, like, we play them actually, like, once a year, it seems like the Seahawks. Yeah. You know, like, we would look at this and be like, how is this guy still there starting quarterback at this point? It's what everyone's saying of the 31 other team, both fans and analysts and people who are covering not even a team, just the main NFL. No one can understand this, but the Giants. But I know the answer to it. And I think all giant fans, it's 2022. That's why that's why he's a starting quarterback. Yeah. It's the one year he brought them to the playoffs. That is why he still didn't get bought him an extra two years. But it didn't, that didn't have to, that's true. But it didn't have to mean that second year had to be no competition year. I agree. That's where it's what I struggle with. And I struggle with the concept of maybe these guys think that he's capable of more than he really is on a consistent basis based on a few flashes and moments. And that scares me. And I don't know that because it does really seem to me like just reading Dable's body language. Like he feels so defeated that this is his situation at quarterback. I agree. So I don't think Dable's there. But Shane, it's a little scary, dude. It's a little scary with Shane because you could have been really aggressive as a GM. You could have been like, sorry, John, this the shit didn't, I screwed up. I made a mistake, but it's some cost fallacy at this point. If I, and that's the thing, like you have that, if you're really a great GM, you can be like, look, John, I screwed up. I spent a lot of your money. What was I going to do? We won the playoff game. I was wrong. He didn't take that next step. And I, and I know his old line situation was bad, but I think based on all the other factors, you know, his lack of involvement as a pocket feel, all the things we've gone over, bad pocket feel, bad act, all the things he's been bad at in this career, which is basically everything except for running and throwing the dig round, in my opinion, at least on a consistent basis I'm talking about. John, it's not going to happen. We need to move forward and it's a some cost and we're going to have a big QB two price on our bench this year, but let's try to build some competition. So maybe if things break the way we want to, and Brian Burns is the impact we thought and our own line gels together and neighbors has the impact we add, we can actually be quarterback proof because Nick, all off season, what do we say? I said, I said my hope for this team this year is that Brian Dable can make this offense quarterback proof. It's not possible we learned in week one to really beat that quarterback proof if your quarterback's that bad, but maybe there could have been another quarterback to bring in to compete and make this offense quarterback proof because I feel like that's what Kevin O'Connell's doing. Yes. So what compounds this issue so much for Joe Shane and the Giants is the Giants had to allocate all of that money to the offensive line. Right. Some to the defense because Joe Shane has missed on top level draft picks. I'm prime. And that is that that's the crux of it. And that could be the secondary reason why Joe Shane loses his job behind the Daniel Jones decision. Because you have to get your main alumina or because that manial sucks. It's your three. If Devin Neil and Azud who had developed as they should have that they were drafted to, you're right. In year three, they would have never had to spend that money on a lumen or or or running. They could have signed Tyrod Taylor, not Ross. Ross, they had to tell him you have a chance to compete. Because he couldn't have got more money. Ross had no based on the contract. Yeah. No, exactly. So so those those failings, those failures by Joe Shane led to them not investing in a backup quarterback, led to them going all in on Daniel Jones, who you made a mistake, giving him that large contract with injury guarantee. So it's a cascading effect of decisions that Joe Shane made. And none of them ended up panning out. And last season, we said that like, look, they took a lot of calculated risks. They did not materialize. They bet on some of the guys they drafted like, Oh, Azud, he could be our backup left tackle swing tackle, which the Giants kind of have him there right now. So if something happens, Andrew Thomas, you might Evan Neal is there though too. So it makes it a little bit better. But as Evan Neal back, it's a it's a nightmare. But 2023 was a train wreck. But now we're in 2024. It's a new season. And we're starting in its very early on, I'm not trying to put the cart before the horse. But we're starting to see those same issues come to the surface again. And we're starting to see that the decisions that he made are really starting to bite the Giants in the ass again. And not having that insurance policy as a quarter or for the quarterback position behind it, injured Daniel Jones, if Drew Lock proves not to be the guy is could be a problem. It could be a big problem. And especially when, like, I know you've alluded to this before in the past, you you think like Tyrod to the Giants, but also like, you don't like we saw on hard knocks that like I'm back. But like Tyrod playing so well down the stretch with Daniel Jones on the roster. If Tyrod was here right now, fans would be like, you have to put Tyrod Taylor in like Tyrod Taylor has to be a starter. And that would have been a and I think there's people in the Giants locker room who also bought into that who also believed it. So it wasn't coming back. There was bad blood, I think, and there was a weird situation. But the point we're trying to make is not that Tyrod Taylor should have been the guy. And it's not that anyone they could have bring in to compete for for QB one with Daniel Jones is going to be the next franchise quarterback. The Giants did it. They found their Baker Mayfield though. A team has done that. Tampa has done that with Baker. We may not believe in him that much long term, but he's putting together pretty damn good football out there. Baker Mayfield. What is he like 28? He's still pretty young and he's actually looking pretty damn good. Okay. He's looking what we're building what we're supposed to be getting out of Jones is what he is. This like top 12ish type quarterback play, right? So upside is maybe you find that and you revive a career. But we're talking about a middle ground here, Nick. We're talking about just not being uncompetitive, just not having a weak one like that where you're blown out at home by a mediocre Viking team and your season looks lost. Just giving yourself a chance to compete for maybe a 9 and 8 or maybe a 10 and 7 and maybe be in the playoffs and give your fans hope have them give December games. Guess who did that last year who was on the market this off season with a battle line that created out really poorly, not as bad as the Giants, but worse than what the Giants online will be this year, a defense that still has young pieces and is not that great and maybe one good receiver on the whole roster. Gardner Minchu did that with the Colts. This is the type of guy you could have signed. Again, Gardner Minchu is not going to fix this franchise. He's not going to save the Giants. But if Jones looked as bad as he did in week one and Gardner had a chance to compete, Gardner could make this team competitive if the online plays as good as it did in week one or better, neighbors and all the stuff they have. Bring in a Brian Burns to try to change your defense. Like from a planned standpoint, Gardner could have given you a chance to compete, okay? And guys like him. And that's the point I'm making here, dude. Like, I'm not no longer angry or frustrated with Daniel Jones. I'm done with Jones. The book is out on him. The fact that we gave him this much of a leash in this much time is generous was generous on our end, very generous of us because it's pretty obvious. Like you said, nobody goes six years and gets this long of a leash for a reason. But how can you just tell the fans that, look, we have a chance to go into week one, get blown out at home by a mediocre team. And then when we enter week two, there's no option to replace him. That's it. This is a done deal or Drew Lock. Now, Minchu was never going to sign up with the Giants. I mean, he got like 25 mil, 15 mil guarantee. You got a lot of money. But that's the thing. If you're going to go all in, and this is the problem, you're right, because we allocated the 40 million to the quarterback, we couldn't make it 65. It's just the boat. They put him in with that contract. Yep. It's it's what sunk. It's what it's the decision that may sink the ship of Joe Shane as a general manager here. I'm not saying that for sure right now, there's still time. Look, it's very early in the season, but it's not looking great, especially if these young players suck, you know, especially their point 22 class, man, you know, like, I got, I was encouraged by what I saw week one of the 2024 class, but we can't really evaluate the 2024 class for like another year and a half. Like if you get immediate dividends, then yeah, you can, when we got a little bit of that week or three is when the man that's supposed to come into play and your point you made earlier, Nick, about as you do, and Neil was really the main point here. They had to allocate, like, like if KVON was what the Giants hoped KVON was, I don't know if they make that burn straight. Now the burn straight works perfectly. The burn straight works perfectly for, for what the Giants want to do defensively. I like Brian Burns a lot. I really support that trade and all of that. But if, if, if, uh, KVON typical with Aiden Hutchinson, do they make that trade? Like, obviously, we'd still upgrade, but you might say like, Hey, you know, we can just get somebody in the draft because we still have this dominant edge who's out there just kicking everyone's ass and he's defeating double teams. You know, there's a tension pitted on him and he's caught with that index or what. That's not what KVON TIBITO is though, man. KVON TIBITO is not that player. So now you're like, Hey, let's bring in Brian Burns. Brian Burns will be that player and KVON TIBITO will be a really good second edge rusher. Hell yeah, that's what we'll do. And that was more of the brand that by getting Brian Burns, but if KVON TIBITO was the guy that you thought he was, which he isn't right now, then do even make that trade to begin with. And now you have a bunch of money and a second round pick to allocate to other parts of your roster, possibly a backup quarterback. Yeah, it's it's a great question, Nick, and it's something we'll never get the answer to. But again, the crux of this thing is they went all in. They spent a lot of research to help this team win. And they tried to put a winning product out and it looks like they've done a good job between Brazil and the guys they've built on this O line. Like normally a week one, like that looks horrible on the O line and we've seen it just be awful from the start. We're already off to a good start in the O line. The defense didn't play great. I get it. It's a new defense with Shane Bowen. They're going to have to get that thing under under wraps. And again, they face two of the best that that's one of the best tackle duos they're going to face all year. And they didn't get a chance to really rush the pastor because the offense was so bad, which is again, another extenuating factor. But like, again, if you're going to go all in and try to say we're trying to win now, and Joe Shane said, like, it's time to win. Like you heard it in hard knocks, dude, like John Mara wants to win. John Mara wants to be competitive. He doesn't want to have these rebuilding years. Well, then your plan was to do it with an unquestioned Daniel Jones as your quarterback. That's the part that gets sticky. That's the part that gets tricky. That's the part that doesn't really add up or make any real sense. Unless again, they're on the side of like, it was never his fault. Nothing we've seen on tape matters. He's good at all these things that he hasn't proven to be good at. He just needed this and this and this to then be good at that stuff. Yeah, man. And what the wait to see if he can if he can bounce back against Washington, I'm going to be doesn't big red flag. Huge issue. And I'm down right now. It's not good, boys. It's not good for the fall. It's not good for the ladies. Thank you for letting me get this off my chest, Nick. Oh, that's funny. Yeah, I just needed to get into this because look, I for a while, I was just getting so angry about the performance from Daniel Jones on Sunday. And then I took a step back and I said, why am I getting mad about this at this point, dude? Like, I'm done being mad about Daniel Jones and being like, is he our guys? He not our guy. I know this isn't the answer for any kind of Super Bowl success. Now I'm questioning why the hell did we get put in this position where we're in week two and there are no options but Daniel Jones. I'll say this too before we get out of here. Yeah. Anybody who's listening to this podcast who have played football at the high school level or the college level, when you go up and you play defense, right, you're a defensive player, when you go up against a quarterback who you do not believe in, what do you feel like? You're like, yo, I want to get some stats, man. Like, I'm going to like beat this guy up. Like, I'm not threatened by this guy. We could play top. That's what a lot of defensive players in the NFL say whenever they play the Giants right now. And what does that say about? And we know this because like, who cornerback said it last year? The Seattle guys who are in the NFL playing against him. And you don't even have to know it from the players, Nick. What about what you always break down and what we break down on our film? Like the coordinators and how disrespectful these coordinators play their coverages against Jones, leaving the field side wide open because they know he can't challenge it, bringing everybody up on the line of scrimmage, not respecting that neighbors was added to the offense, not worrying about the neighbors, still playing top down despite neighbors being added to the roster. Because they know this dude can't handle this. He just can't handle being a great starting quarterback at the NFL level. In 2022, he was really good. He was like probably one of the 12 or 13 best quarterbacks in the NFL. But the problem is he was doing it in an offense that was designed for him that couldn't be replicated. Because like you said, Nick, now too many good defensive coordinators have tape on this offense, a tape on table and Jones, not just tape on Jones, it's tape on table, it's Jones within table system, right? And that's the biggest issue. We knew this would happen. We said it in 2022, dude. And then it happened. And now we're left here in week two with this Washington's going to be good. A nice little, hopefully, Washington will be, you know, this defense because look, this defense sucks. This Washington defense doesn't have pieces. I just listened to a break, a breakdown of it. It was horrible in week one, dude. Like they looked unbelievably bad. First first game with a new coordinator, Dan Quinn, right? Nick, so it'll be a good test. Yeah, I get you. Yeah, but he is probably running that defense. But yeah. And so they're going to take some time to learn that system too, by the way. And they just don't really have any talent. No talent on that defense. At least talented defense, the Giants are going to play all year by far. So it's sink or swim time for this offense. This is it. And so hopefully we see it this week. But I'll tell you what, Nick. And I'm not afraid to say it. I don't care who gets mad at this. No matter how good Daniel Jones plays this week, I do not believe in him as the long term starter for this Giants franchise. And nothing he can do in this point will change my mind unless he plays amazing for 12 straight game. He gives me 10 straight, consistent games. When is the last time you felt that way about Daniel Joe? It's been since what 2020 2021 19 for me, to be honest. Yeah. So that's like my point, though, like, like this is we've understood this at this point, but it's just like, what are the other options? And again, a lot of it goes back to the success the Giants had in 2022, which led to the kind of all that kind of stuff, the lack of options. They sucked in 2022 and it was a rip the Band-Aid off the wound type of year, then the Giants could be sitting here with like a CJ round right now or another quarterback or a Brazil. You know, finding themselves, landing themselves in the wrong quarterback classes, they land themselves in the 2019 quarterback class instead of the 2020 that killed them. And this could be another year this coming season where they land and we'll see what happens. I hope some guys develop and improve, but they could be landing in another wrong class in 2025 because I'm looking at that 2026 quarterback class, Nick, and I'm like, I kind of want those talents to be completely honest with you. Those guys have the size, they have the real arm talent, they have the real tools to work with. I don't need to just like manufacture a Miller Moss who, yes, I like his anticipation, but I don't really like his physical tools at all. Nuss Meyer, I'm okay on the dude from Georgia dude, like back, like so much has to go right from back to the atop by that you can pay. And then it's just like, what else is there in that draft class? Cam Ward from Miami, there's some things I like dude, but I don't think that's a slam dunk either as a prospect to you. I would need to watch more on him. Yeah, I was impressed when I watched him against Florida. He's impressive. But like the kid from Tennessee, that's sized, tall ball, he rips that thing. Like that kid looks like, holy shit, that's a prospect, right? Like same thing with arch to me. I know he hasn't got a chance of playing people like, oh, he's getting beat up by Quinn yours. When yours took them to the championship last game, he was going to start by the way, yours looks better this year. Yeah, he doesn't like he's improved some of his mechanics. We'll see what happens with that. So I know he's a type of guy that would in intrigue Brian Dable based on arm talent. But who knows if table and chain are even going to be here? That's the point we're at now. It's week two and we're questioning if we can even if we're going to if the season is even still alive, which is insane, horrible, considering how much cap they've spent. And at this point, they are no longer not on the hot seat, I think it's fair to say. I'm right there with you. All right, thanks for tuning in. Please hit like, subscribe, check out the rest of our content to film breakdowns this week, reaction live show to the first game that was a commiseration station. Isn't it called it more content coming your way? Thank you to everybody. Have a great rest of your week. And we'll talk to you soon. Stop. Before you consider taking drastic measures to lose weight like GLP1 injections, consider Golo. 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