Dan and Nick break down the All-22 coaches film of the Giants’ Week 1 loss to the Vikings by touching on Kayvon Thibodeaux’s struggles, Shane Bowen’s defensive game plan and core issues in the run game, what they need to see moving forward against a rookie QB in Week 2 and more.
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That's the Coaches film, the sideline and the end-zone angle of the New York Giants defensive debut in Week 1 against the Minnesota Vikings in Sam Donald and Kevin O'Connell when New defensive coordinator Shane Bowen. And I just want to remind everyone, if you do enjoy our content, please hit the like button. We've done two really good videos over the last four days. The first was our live reaction to Week 1. We collected over 12,000 views, decent amount of likes, not that many likes. A lot of comments though, and comments help too, but again, likes are what drives things. Yesterday, the film review on the offense, great video. I was really excited and happy, Nick, about how many people watched it. I thought we put a lot of great work into that. We put a lot of tape up too. We have a lot of good tape to watch there for those who want to just watch film of this team. Not as many likes as I was hoping for, man. So I'm getting a little down, man. So that's Nick that I'm referring to there as, man, but do you guys listening and girls, help us out. All right. This is a tough season. This is a tough gig. The Giants are really bad for all of us. I feel horrible for the fans who invested their money, but season tickets right now. There's no way shape or form that we should be discussing things like that was asked yesterday, Nick, to Brian Dable. Are you benching Daniel Jones in week two of a season? It is a bad sign to be there. You got a laugh, man. It's so depressing. It's so depressing that you almost have to laugh, but what's not depressing is us growing this podcast and you guys being there along the ride with us. So to help us do that, please hit the like button right now on this video. Stop whatever you're doing and hit the like button if you're listening on iTunes or Spotify. Please just go to YouTube type in big blue banter, go to this video and then hit like. That will probably take you 16 to 22 seconds. I would estimate. But thank you for those who did already and help those videos grow. I was excited about that. And I hope this one will take off as well, Nick. But on the defense side of all, there's a lot of main topics I want to discuss with you after watching the tape. We're going to get to all of them on the show. Okay. Vontibido. The secondary Brian Burns, Dexter Lawrence, and I say it in that voice because that was a positive. But this is where I want to start. Shane Bones run defense in week one. I came away from this tape, highly disappointed in the run defense. Then I went to check out your page. I'm not your page, say some notes that you had, which is kind of my process. Always do my review, go to see your notes. You didn't seem too thrilled in those notes. And then I saw a tweet from Derek Klassen, who is breaking down tape now for peripheral ball focus. And he said structurally, the giant defense was the worst defense I saw this entire week. The seagap was free real estate, all game for the opposing offense. Look, we were building good. Sorry. Yes. We were promised to build goods. You know, I always get those wrong. And Shane Bones came here. And that bill of goods included, as we saw in Hard Knocks, Brian Deable referencing, look at his run defense and then reeling off stats to Joe Shane, which was again, one of the weirdest things I've ever seen, but we don't need to get it to the hat. But he had a good run defense for the Titans. Structurally speaking, I thought the idea was his defense was going to start with stopping the run. And that was going to be the most important thing. We even saw him say that on Hard Knocks. So what happened in week one? Is there any validity to what Derek Klassen said about structurally this being one of the worst defense or the worst defense he saw on tape? So I haven't watched all those other teams, but structurally, the defense was not sound, specifically with the seagap. And one of the reasons why, and we knew this was going to be the case with Shane Bowen. There was going to be more wide nine, more edge rushes are going to be out wide. And when you have that and you expect the pass, or expect the pass, so you're going to try to win high side, use your speed and your explosiveness to run around the offensive tackle. You essentially run yourself out of the seagap. So it would be second and 10. It would be these downs that it's neutral. It could be a passing down. It could be a running down while the Vikings and KOC decided to run the football and hit basically that seagap where an edge rusher was flying or attempting to fly around Christian Baresall or attempting to fly around Brian O'Neill, if you want to execute that type of rush and you're not going to play the run to start, those linebackers and that defensive tackle need to execute some sort of technique to protect the seagap. We've heard it described as gap and a half. We've heard it described as the lag technique where you're not necessarily attacking. You're going to jolt whoever is in front of you, the offensive lineman, if you're that defensive tackle, let's say, and you're going to get your eyes on that running back and you're going to put your hips in the backside gap and you're going to maintain a presence in a gap and a half. If the run is going to the opposite side, you can quickly shed and you can still give yourself an opportunity to crash down or crash forward depending on where you are on that responsibility that was just vacated because your edge rusher is executing a different type of assignment because he believes he could possibly win up the arc and if it is a passing play, you can end up getting that sack. There was no defensive tackles executing a lag technique. This was really evident on the tape when Dexter Lawrence was not on the field. Remember, there was a 19-yard rush by Aaron Jones followed up by a 13-yard rush or just another big chunk gain when Dexter Lawrence was not on the field. Both of those, I want to say, hit the C gap and went right where the edge was attempting to fly around and the linebackers need to get to that spot and if they don't, then you're screwed if that defensive tackle also isn't there. I don't know if they were miscommunication errors, I'm honestly unsure, but this needs to be rectified. There needs to be gap sound discipline defense for Shane Bowen and we didn't see that at all and I don't know if it starts with the defensive lineman, if the edge rushers are told not to do that and they're just doing it, but the linebackers not getting in place because all three of those things unfortunately manifested on several plays that led to these huge Aaron Jones and Ty Chandler runs. It's really interesting to bring up what you said at the end there, Nick, about whose responsibility it is because that kind of could lead us in the direction of how this can be fixed on a fast basis because guess what, it's going to have to be fixed because these chaos, this is not going to be the last offense that wants to take advantage of runs through the C gap. We just watched the San Francisco 49ers with the backup running back eat up the jets through the C gap the other on Monday night football and that's kind of how that and there's a lot of people coming from that Shanahan coaching tree right now and a few more on the giant schedule as well. So this is something they're going to have to clean up. This is where I kind of would love to have like a resource, like a Carl Banks on the show. I know we've talked to him before and we've been on a show just kind of here with his thoughts are obviously he's not going to be able to give us the insight on like is this something the edge, the edge rushers here are kind of freelancing or not. You know, I almost feel like the question becomes though, Nick, like do the Giants have the depth at defensive tackle or we can call it interior defensive line to even provide a solution rest of season because we know, look, when Dexter Lawrence off the field, we're going to get targeted on these runs. Yeah, you just need to have more of a presence in that C gap and I think these defensive tackles that the Giants have can do that. I just don't know if they're if they're if they were fully aware of what they were supposed to be doing at that juncture if they knew that the edge rushers were doing that. I can't imagine that the edge rushers are doing that just willy-nilly, right? I have to imagine there are contingencies within that defense unless there is something within the defense where they're like, okay, we expect this to be passed. You guys go linebackers get to that but like they just weren't working in unison with the edge like if we start at the starting point is the edge rushers are going around the C gap and they're vacating the C gap, they're just completely abandoning their run fit, their run responsibility. That's like football 101 is you don't do that. So we're starting there then the linebacker or that defensive tackle needs to have some sort of presence in that C gap that is being abandoned and that just was not the case. And I'm wondering if it was something that the Vikings offensive coordinator and Kevin O'Connell noticed early in the game and then they just started exploiting it regardless of it, I'm hoping at least that shame bone is going to have that rectified maybe we'll see the Ed Drushers be a little bit more tamed and honestly that's probably for the best unless it's like third and six plus third and seven plus because the Giants weren't winning around the edge regardless of what you want to make a week one. It was one game and it's possible in the NFL that teams can just kind of throw out the tape of one week and we could see a completely different team this week in week two in which case the season is back on track in another way to look at it if they lose the Redskins or whatever we're calling them now though the commanders and I'm going to just keep getting that wrong for the rest of my life I guess I sometimes just go football team I still feel like they should be the football team over the commanders just a idiotic name the commanders but if they lose the commanders this week Nick it's over it's it's all it's not over over teams have come back from Owen to this is the easy part of their schedule and a big way that they're going to beat the commanders in my mind is if they can stop the run first and foremost because I don't have much respect at all to be honest for Cliff Kingsbury's play calling or play designers often the system I think it's one of the worst if not the worst in the NFL and I don't understand it's like kind of like the breaking bed Jesse from Breaking Bad meme like how does he keep getting away with this like what he's talking about wall that's kind of how I feel about Cliff Kingsbury getting jobs in the NFL but one thing I do respect and I remember this from his Arizona days dude when we watched some tape against Cardinals versus the Giants remember Chase Edmonds the game where he blew up giants and just destroyed us on the ground I do respect how he schemes the run game games very and I think it's going to be a point of emphasis in this game given what he saw the Giants offense unable to do last week so is this something that can be turned around and fixed right away in week two against a very much so worse offensive line with that said keep in mind Minnesota had not been known for run blocking well up until this point until this game they have not gotten the run game going they have gotten knocked for their run game it was not multiple it was a better pass blocking unit so we've heard similar things about the right commanders not a good line but what are your thoughts about turning that around right away I'm not optimistic okay about it yeah some of it is possibly personnel related to some degree and I don't think it would be maybe as bad as it was against the Vikings I just think you just need to be you know I said a little bit earlier a little bit more cohesive as a unit and a little bit more structurally sound in terms of your run fits and you have to really stress that and worry about that which is going to hinder the pass rush that was almost nonexistent for the New York Giants anyways because when you're really focusing on the run that means you're like tempering your rush if you're going to go high side you're significantly tempering your rush if you're going to go high side and that's Brian Burns's best trait as a defensive player is going high side cave on attempts to go high side frequently unsuccessfully and unfortunately so those edge rushes might have to be a little bit more tempered with their rush or the linebackers need to be that much more dialed in or a safety maybe closer into the box if he's going to have a C gap responsibility typically they have a B gap responsibility it kind of depends on what formation you're in what formation they're in so that there's a lot that goes into it but to to answer your question I'm not optimistic I think they could be more disciplined and that will certainly help but I think this defense if Dexter Lawrence isn't on the field there is a massive it really is almost a Dexter Lawrence sized problem now again as I alluded to before I think they're good enough to at least try to keep it structurally sound but they could still get dominated at the point of time they're not going to shed blocks as quickly DJ Davidson was on the ground so much in this game Elijah Chapman was on the ground a ton in this game as well that that's going to be a really big problem and you know what man it's been terrible being a Giants fan for the last like decade but one thing maybe we took for granted was the fact that we had a good defensive line I'm with Dalvin Tomlinson snacks with Leonard Williams with all of these player defense of all day hill we've had that now we never really had good edge rushers to compliment it well now right we have hopefully one good edge rusher which we'll get into in a little bit another one that is wildly suspect at this point which we'll get into as well but behind Dexter Lawrence it's it's thin dude it's thin at a position where you can't be thin in a position where it can't be thin I wonder if it's some of the moves like trading Jordan Phillips who I can't thought could help in some regard in the run defense I really like some of his tape in Buffalo played a couple of them played it more than a few snaps for Dallas but it is what it is he didn't fit in play all summer and they wanted to give Chapman a shot we'll get into it but I know both of us from just seeing your notes and from what I saw not enthusiastic about Chapman's debut worried a little bit worried a little bit about his size at this level translating obviously in the preseason it looked great that's against preseason offensive lineman and preseason offensive scheme which is vanilla we'll see what happens there it's one game I'm not willing to throw the towel in but I'm just saying the depth is not great right now it may be a personnel issue remember two years ago in 2022 they tried a lot of different things the Giants run defense but no matter what they really tried they couldn't stop power gap and concepts run at them because they simply didn't have the personnel they didn't have the second level personnel to stop those plays and that can happen in NFL season I don't want to say it's happening yet Nick obviously we hope that's not the case this early but I am worried going into this Washington game and I want it to start of the run defense because I think a lot of the focus this week from Giants fans and rightfully so has been on the pass which we're about to get into but the run defense was equally as suspect in this game and equally as to blame I think because when you're when you're when you're when you can be that multiples and offense it's really hard in my opinion to stop you as a defense so let's now get into the pass rush there's a few things I want to start with before we get individually though because there's there's obviously some such on there I just want to hear structurally your thoughts it's such a big difference I thought like I I was curious what would be like Nick to watch tape after watching two straight years of wink style and just the drastic difference I might see but it was even crazier than I thought I mean this guy just is at least this week he really did not send many blitzes Shane Bowen and I I'm curious if that's just going to be what we're going to be watching a lot of this these types of looks would just rely on your guys to get to to get after the faster but there was not a lot of aggressive steps by him and and again like I know that's a system Nick but again this is Sam Darnold right this is a quarterback who went two of 17 in a joint practice against I forget who they played earlier this August and what they did the opposing game I think it was the bangles what they did was just blitz him every snap and he threw it until he threw a pick six in the flat they put the pressure on him Sam Darnold is not a quarterback who has dealt well with pressure and blitz that wasn't the game plan today though wasn't a and we talked a lot about through the wink and I know it's the last point I want to get to what you have to say but with wink we always said we're going to be guaranteed Nick what do we say we're going to be guaranteed a game plan specific to the offense that they're facing it's going to be different every week and it's going to be not your sit you're not 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It felt a little bit to me like Shane Bohm was trying to put his early marks on what his system will be in this game and it didn't really feel specific to Sam Darnold as a quarterback. I mean I think you're right I think there's just a lot going on though too this is a new defense typically that's the key thing yes and not only that there were changes that were made right before the snap it seemed like a right before the kickoff that we didn't expect like Michael McVine didn't play it was very weird though and most now did not look bad for a date late day three pick he did not look bad in my opinion and then you had Cordell Flott man the slot and it was like well he had done that like all training camp right and he's not like let's just be frank here he's not good right now and that's that's a big issue that we have and he got beat on that Justin Jefferson Jefferson decoy touchdown to Jalen Naylor but when you have such a young secondary when you have changes in your secondary and at your linebacker position and you're not defending the run well like I don't know if you can get into your bag your exotic bag and start blitzing like crazy I would like to think that you could but I don't know if the defense is is up to speed enough when you have a guy like a Tori Jackson was just sorry recently come in here and he's playing significant snaps for you like they were hardly in sub packages you read it I'm sorry they know they're like nine snaps yes made a play the whole snap counts are weird I mean we can get into that because they weren't really in I don't think a ton of sub packages because they were trailing in much of this game so they were more so just that they weren't in like big dime and big nickel too frequently it didn't seem like at least they weren't even just base but they had two linebackers on the flick most out played 45 snaps in this game I think ideally you don't want that like you want to get those big three safeties out there belt was only out there on that third long where he made that play in eight other defensive plays I'm imagining Bowen wants to use him more and that's one of the reasons why it's because the Giants were just trailing the entire game I respect that idea Nick I do and I understand the concern that Bowen might have going into a weak one but I will juxtapose it with what we saw from Wink Martindale in his first game first game coordinating a Giants defense it was a specific game plan to the offense he was facing the Titans offense he dialed that whole thing around stopping Derek Henry and making them win in other ways that was week one it wasn't oh no I'm going to be worried if I allocate too many resources this what's going to happen on my back end wink generally speaking was never really worried about what's going to happen on the back end if I allocate to more reasons it was all about I'm going to dictate to you and I respect not wanting to do that when you worried about the communication on the back end but with a quarterback like Sam Darnold again because I know we're going to see it this year oh Sam Darnold is he turning things around with Kevin O'Connell just wait just wait for the first defense that puts pressure on him and Darnold throws for like 138 with two interceptions including a really brutal one because it's not it's not like he's career is going to be revived and I could be wrong on that by the way so if I am god bless you and you can call me out on that later the season but I just sometimes feel like you know too much maybe he was a little too concerned about what's going to happen on the back end because it just felt like they were I don't want to say going through the motions because that's not what they were doing but it just didn't feel like they put a lot on Sam Darnold's plate I'll say that I think that's I mean that is fair I think again there were I'm not making excuses but there was a lot going on John I'll say that they blitzed on the Dexter Lauren sack that was really early on in the game yes it's Lawrence got the one on one against Ed Ingram Bobby O'Carriquet went up to the line of scrimmage he didn't green dog which means just go in and blitz and abandon your responsibility because your responsibility being the running back in man coverage was staying in for protection but he at least went up to line of scrimmage and then five other guys went and pressured and blitzed and I think the next time they blitzed on a pass might have been when when the ball was down to one yard line they blitzed again and that's smart right you want to blitz them in that situation and what did KOC call a roll out and everyone got pressed at the line of scrimmage and Ty Chandler was wide open in the flat with like no one near him and it went for nine yards so I think like situationally like the chess match was certainly won by KOC in the Minnesota Vikings when it comes to that I just don't think this is also in his identity and I don't think you could get as an audit worried of it yeah yeah but we can also he's not going to be able to get into his bag with this type of game script in this type of situation as well yeah it's just interesting as we move forward I can't say that I don't I don't want to say I'm in any way doubting Shane Bowen or anything like that but I can't say that I feel the same way I felt like with Wink Barndale when he first came on the scene because it was just very good tape and it was very interesting to watch him really have a specific game plan to stop the Titans which he did in that game and we didn't stop this Vikings offense at all in this game obviously there were some bad situations when the pass interference the penalty by cave on those are too soon to see I hate that pass interference call I do too like like you could say oh a door needs to get his head around but I really don't agree I mean either do I because like you're rewarding an offense like that was a bad throw and you could say get that great savvy play by Jordan Addison I feel like he kind of almost did get his head around by the way at the end yeah like that's to me that's so ticky tacky and I know like I come all these changes the whole game too that's like it's a time for the one by forty if it didn't call it not I mean not that I mean and the cave on tibido one like these are like some some big plays like extended drives but yeah now let's get to some individual stuff we talked a little bit about thirty thousand foot few a bone let's go first with Brian Burns and then we'll go to cave on tibido start maybe with the positive because I think we're gonna have a more positive outlook on Brian Burns's game than the majority of people had than the stat show because there's some bad stats from a pressure standpoint with both of these guys and what kind of the narrative has been I think a big reason for that is the attention that was obvious to see when you watch the film and you're gonna show some of we're gonna see some of that that the opposing offense put a game plan specific by Kevin O'Connell to not let Brian Burns be the one who beats you oh yeah dude there was a running back it was a tight end like there were so much chips man and it was it was crazy that he had to deal with and there was a lot of times where the tight end was aligned over him they'd fake like you would chip to have him hesitate just slow down his overall rush there were a lot there were at least two hands and a shoulder on Brian Burns and like every single passing situation between running back or the tight end so I I'm not sitting like look he's getting paid to defeat that anyways and I understand why people feel that way but I believe it's much more incumbent on cave on tibido to win his one-on-ones or at least get pressure on us we'll talk about that talk about that in a little bit with Brian Burns I want to see more I'm not gonna sit here and say I was pleased with his performance I felt like the inside spin move that he had that was a really smart adaptive rush because the running back was going outside to chip him again so he spun inside hit Sam tunnel force in incomplete pass I think that might have been on a third down to if not it was a second down so very important play Dexter Lawrence feasted the entire time so like you're gonna get that from him but you need those other pass pressures to step up to alleviate the pressure on Brian Burns and it may be forced protection to go elsewhere because Brian Burns if he's just gonna face a tight end chip in a running back chip like every single time and you're not getting anything from those other two pass pressures not named Dexter Lawrence that's much more of a referendum on them than it is on Brian Burns but we do need Brian Burns to step it up just a little bit more as well because he is getting paid the dollars to like he had one pressure in this and then four tackles he was also used as like a linebacker a lot of the times whenever the strength of the formation when the tight ends went away from Brian Burns that he would drop off the line of scrimmage and then basically operate as a linebacker had actually a really nice heavy tackle on Aaron Jones in pursuit but yeah not just still a disappointing performance by him first start as a New York trying it's this moving performance it's a tough matchup honestly for him but there's gonna be tough match ups and there's gonna be tougher tackle match ups specifically in the NFC East right and we got the Eagles and even the Cowboys at tackle so we're gonna need to see when you're paid that kind of money was that little nod to what you're drinking yeah it was just a cheers I'm well I'm drinking salter water of course but this is a cheers you know I was gonna pour one out for the Giants season but I do okay you really downgraded you're drinking Schweppes these days okay so Schweppes I wasn't a big fan of them and then at Giants training camp they have Schweppes and that's their their seltzer water so yeah let me have to try underrated it's not quite a little like people like drink Buble and I know this is why it was a terrible it's a great take by you when you first said boot life was overrated worse and Lacroix is a little bit overrated to everything are you another overrated and I want to say Schweppes I think I'm correct on this I have double check it I think they're like the best when it comes to like not having a lot of forever chemicals in their aluminum oh that's like another reason why I got a double check that that's like that's kind of like I saw that a while ago and I just more so liked the taste of grabbing at it to justify me you know it's like one of those situations but I would say my favorite salter and we'll stop it right after this is Waterloo you turn me on to those they're actually amazing great carbon for me a great seltzer is great amount of carbonation I want a burp I want a burp I want my crisp and burr yes but my most underrated which I don't know if you've had but I've told you this is my most underrated before is polar seltzer P-O-L-A-R and you could get a lot of them online from Amazon for cheap so I just basically always drink polar for that reason pretty much but also because they're underrated I would put it up in like the top five category but anyway let's get back to what wasn't underrated in this game and that's the Giants pass rush so we talked about Brian Burns a little bit and again I think you're right ultimately he's paid a certain amount of money and they traded enough draft capital to where he has to defeat even the best tackles but look if he's gonna get chipped and doubled a lot aye I kind of feel like Shane Bowen should be able to take advantage of that which we'll see throughout the season if he is or he's not but B I'll tell you one person who better be able to take advantage of that starting not moving forward because he obviously didn't in this game it's cave on tibido and before we get into that and I agree with you yeah and I think in a better game script Shane Bowen will be able to do that because one way you can alleviate the pressure if cave on and the other pass rusher is not stepping up to help Brian Burns is bring pressure bring blitzes show blitzes bail off those blitzes and have those running backs away force those running backs and those tight ends maybe away from where Brian Burns is yep that's very fair but speaking of cave on tibido look Dexter Lawrence was in this game and absolutely dominant this was like one of his better games and just goes so unheralded because he didn't get a lot of sacks in the sack she got one and then also because the Giants were down so much they had to just kind of play the you know the Vikings just running the ball in the second half and this happens a lot we talked about all offseason dude like how are we gonna get our sack totals when the Giants are down three scores in the second half and teams are just not passing the football or putting any kind of tough situations but you know the only way that's gonna change that the offense steps up and so that's gonna have to start right away but as far as cave on goes with Dexter Lawrence in the field and Brian Burns getting extra attention like you said and like it was obvious on the tape and we'll get we should get into some tape review soon if we have it with that said Nick like what do you make a cave on tibbo because I saw one stat shout out to I'm sorry I forgot who sent this to to us shout I can't remember the name some of we interact with a ton on Twitter but hypothesis I'm remembering but according to Seth Walder the top five edge roster shoes pass rush get off number and I don't even know how ESPN comes up with this stuff but they do improve the most from 2023 to 2024 on average in week one chase young was one cave on tibido was number two his get off in 2023 was 0.85 seconds and in week one it was 0.71 seconds so we're talking about somebody who improved his get off and we saw that throughout camp and yet where's the rest of it right where's the counter moves where's the ability to win with his hands with his power where where is he what what was happening with gave on tibido in this game also zero tackles yeah I know so I can't really speak on the Seth Walder tweet I'm not gonna sit here and act like oh yeah he looked really explosive because to me I just saw him on the ground a lot and I honestly I don't think I've seen cave on tibido play that bad or maybe I should say this I haven't seen cave on tibido get dominated as as much as he did against Christian Daresall to the point where Shane Bowen had to move him to the other side of a Bryant Bryant Christian Daresall had a plan and had a plan of action for basically anything cave on tibido tried and it looked like cave on tibido was like one of those like you DFA's that we would be high on like I don't even want to like say Timon Fox because that makes Timon Fox look maybe poorer than he actually is but like a Timon Fox we're like yeah we like this guy let's see how he does and then he just gets absolutely dominated by like a real tackle that's what I look like cave on tibido is a top five trap pick he's a top like in this game no and cave on tibido right now the way he is playing if he was like a third round pick that's like nice it's like okay yeah you know we've got him at like you know 90 or whatever and he's a functional player he had 10 sacks last year even though you know you know you know a lot of them were against like guys who aren't necessarily starting offensive tackles but I don't want to discredit him but what we saw on Sunday man holy crap man he was dominated the entire game and he just didn't seem to have an answer and every time he tried something different daresall had the answer and it looked like in the second half he was just frustrated when he was running and that culminated when Jordan Ronon was interviewing him and he got snippy with Ronon and it's like come on man like Ronon I don't know if like Ronon asked like three questions in a row that's possible Ronon can do that sometimes he can ask certain questions but you don't just like not look at a reporter and then just say anybody else have a question like like it's just like come on they like be professional with this so I felt like that was very that was a bad look for cave on tibido especially after the performance that he put out on the field which was again pretty atrocious yeah it's it was a very bad look for him you know I have a lot of thoughts on the game on tibido from that standpoint if we will touch on that I guess right now the off-field type of angles it's like I almost feel like this culture that we've been promised in this locker room from table and chain is not really showing out and it kind of always goes back to what I say about culture man when I hear it from every single fricking new regime I'm building a certain culture we're getting the type of players that fit the culture look at us and then they have these moments where like see that was a culture building moment or see this guy fits the culture because he did this and then that culture seems to disintegrate pretty damn fast Nick when you get blown out 28 to 6 in your home opener and then all of a sudden you have a guy not answering a question from a reporter and you know we've seen this throughout the course of these bad giants years I'm personally done buying into culture I want to buy into talent and production on the field and tape that's what I am putting first and I think culture will come with that it obviously doesn't mean you just throw it out the door you don't draft guys like could areas Tony and DeAndre Baker these are terrible culture players you're terrible I'm just going to be say this and I hate to say it about these two individuals when it comes to wanting to be the best at their craft and wanting to be great football players I'm sorry to say that about them I don't know them personally but I'm just judging off their actions from what I've seen in the league and I apologize for that if that's a little bit of a stretch but it matters Nick but I just you know I hear it too much and I don't think it was bad for culture I just think when you're getting your ass kicked like the Giants did you can have moments like that we're like I don't want to answer this question from this reporter and like you said you have to be more mature in that situation but I just don't know or get the feel that this is like some great culture the Giants have going on I mean we shouldn't be surprised by that they suck they got embarrassed for the second year in a row I think oh that's the point I'm trying to make and I agree with you that's the point I'm trying to make no matter how good you can try to craft a culture by being a GM and putting the certain guys in the room it doesn't matter if you're not winning games because the easiest way to disintegrate a culture but I don't think everybody really knows or agrees with that personally I feel like people overrate the culture and believe it can just cut through a lot of that and I also think when you're winning it doesn't matter who's on your team everyone's bought in and the culture's great so I kind of just feel like you got to win I also think you got to believe in your team I'm not positive this defense believes in the offense right now at all at all there's no word there's no way they believe like anybody who's been on a football team where I one side of the football one side of the the coin one side of the team carries the team that you know the resentment which is not even to say that's what the defense did by the way nobody carried in no of course but yeah but last season I'm not saying the defense carried them because the defense had its holes and they had its words but the defense gave them a shot oh yeah they were playing like sixty five seventy seventy five snaps right and their offense was playing like fifty and turning the football over and forcing the defense on the football field you know to defend a short twenty five yards you know what I'm saying I hope to just get or hope to force a field goal so those situations a lot of resentment can be fostered and then anybody who plays sports especially football like a sport like this where it's like I'm on the offense I'm on the deep you know that's something that's that's very real and palpable and we got a common denominator here too with with who a lot of the fans are blaming right now right I think it's a collective but there is one face of the franchise who takes a lot of arrows and he has not performed and he's been paid to perform and I'm obviously talking about Daniel Jones and that's not a good thing you know when when people on the team I'm not saying this is happening but I think naturally it's going to happen if the offense keeps scoring six points players on the defense are going to be like we need a frickin change dude like anything at this point because we're not doing anything right now after a whole offseason of what we added Malik neighbors what we added to the offensive line what we got this what Brian Dable is the play call and if they don't score points especially against Washington like Washington is going to be a great test for this because Washington's defense is so bad and if the Giants still can't move the football again we said I don't want to reiterate but it has something important yeah they can't move if they can't move they can't get this offense on track against Washington there's really no reason at all to play Daniel Jones the rest of the season I stand by that and obviously I mean obviously if he plays like he played last week if he takes a step forward and plays better he can continue to start for whatever you know until it gets really bad but this is not a game you can afford to have another one like this obviously but I will say this about what you said like you know I look back at some past Giants years next and I think I remember clearly the one that I remember the most which is the funniest to me was probably the 2017 epic collapse with macadoo and grease but there was also one with judge where you'll get a puff article about a week or two before players believe in everybody we love this we love Judd what and then fans say see what this guy said about Daniel Jones they love Daniel Jones they rally for Daniel Jones teammates love to play around Daniel Jones but then you think about it and you take a look a few more minutes and you take a step back and think about it logically and you're like what are they gonna say to the media would they ever say to the media I can't stand being on defense side of the ball watching this guy getting to have no confidence can't even complete a forward pass can't even keep the defense off the field they would never say that to the media because he they're going back to locker room with that same player and also it doesn't have a good look for ownership and those are people who decide if you're gonna get paid and continue your career and help your family feed your family so it's never gonna happen so if there's actual resentment the building toward Daniel Jones which I imagine naturally it's impossible there wouldn't be at this point especially when cave on table came out earlier soft season said I'm mad the Giants didn't pay sake on barkley essentially before they paid Daniel Jones when that type of stuff happens like we're never gonna find out about it so don't act like you see some stupid fluff article Golden Tate says it was not Daniel Jones's fault he must be right he played on the team use your eyes see what you're watching do you think the defense wants to play for this offense right now do you think any defense in the world do you think any human being wouldn't be frustrated on the defense side of the ball when your offense is doing what they did against the Vikings defense last week I know the Vikings even it's a little more talented period credit for they got a good coordinator but goddamn if you think that's gonna be a top 10 defense hell no the Giants are about to face 10 more defenses this year who are better than the Vikings defense at least in my opinion and we'll see soon enough so no I don't buy any of that but we gotta we gotta I want to focus it back on the defensive film and talking about cave on tibido cuz we did get up it's always gonna happen cuz we're talking about the off field issue of it but let's just talk about the on field stuff I had been thinking about this Nick when I was watching cave on tibido this week and focusing in on him and when I've just thought about all the snaps of the Giants you think about a lot of these top edge picks right Montes sweat even Trayvon Walker is not good but just this is just fitting this example I feel like when I see them dude they're a lot they have a they have a much wider build they look a lot more intimidating and there's bigger human beings I don't really when I've seen cave on tibido I practice and in these games and when I watch him on tape I don't feel like he's very physically imposing I don't think he has much to it like bend to his game I'm not like I know he was great at Oregon and we watched great tape there and it felt like a lot of the time he was winning in the same way but I'm almost wondering like is he is he like what made him the prospect he was that's what I'm trying to like unpack and get to the bottom up to try to like go backwards on this thing try to figure out how do we go forward like how do we get him back to that level because as I look at it right now he's already drafted like those prospect days are over what I see on tape doesn't really strike me as someone who's going to break out as like an elite edge guy because there's no physical traits that determine it right now and it's not like he's winning with technique like I watch Aidan Hutchinson right who's unbelievable right now it doesn't look anything like and I watch his cut up this week of all Aidan Hutchinson's snaps because somebody put it on Twitter that I follow and I juxtaposed that first what I watch with cave on tibido I know they're facing different tackles but it just doesn't look anything close to the same no it doesn't I think what made cave on tibido cave on tibido was quickness in college combined with his power and the fact that he wasn't necessarily technically refined and he was and there was a lot of room for development in that area like he was never a very bendy flex ball I'm going to win high sided and like bend incredibly at my lower body joints were you going to say something well I agree with you on that but then what about from the first part which you said which which I agreed with that's how he won at college but fits it now let's do it to the pros right the quickness I think could still be there we saw that sat from south of alders get off as improving and I think that's I still think he's kind of quick on film but the power aspect of it like to me just looking at his body type he does not look physically imposing as an edge guy and I don't really see him overwhelming these tackles from a power standpoint very often no I don't see him overwhelming the tackles either but he was a player that I stood next to in training camp and I was like you're bigger than I thought okay you're bigger yeah you're a lot bigger and yeah yeah no you was a lot bigger than I thought like more a little bit more broad in the shoulders like like good you know no ditty lower body like thickness and everything you know what I'm saying like yeah so um so so I kind of I kind of disagree with that but like it's not translating to the field now if I want to you know think glass half full he was going up against probably one of the strongest tackles in the national football right in Christian Daresall but it was how poor he looked on certain reps against Daresall where he was literally just getting buried you know just buried in the dirt kind of like like snatch trap buried like a few different times he also ran himself out of his run fit a couple times as well I think that one was actually not even with Daresall I think that was a good briano needle or tied to tie channel I picked up like three yards because Darius Musau made a good uh fill there but um yeah man uh overall with cave on tibido is we we need to we need to start seeing an impact player what we need cave on tibido to start winning these one-on-one matchups because that will allow brian burns to start to not see four hands on him two pairs of hands on him Daxallorn's gonna do his thing man but cave on your top five pick he's not playing like it again and uh say it again if this guy was like a this guy was a like a round three selection and we would be like oh nice he's a top five pick man he hasn't really played like that his entire career if we're just got like beat flat out honest about it yeah we have a lot of time you're right and this will be a topic for another show but we spent a lot of time this week rightfully so in my mind given what we put on tape but discussing daniel jones and the impact he's had on this franchise losing and the impact he had this past week in them losing but joe shane spent the top five and a top seven pick on evan kneel and gave on tibido and it's coming you know where the roosters are coming or whatever the roosters are crowing in the barn roost coming home to roost uh on that one you're so bad with that stuff that's so bad it's like every single one it's like one of those like diseases or something but you want to know what i love about you is you still try it oh i'm gonna keep trying yeah i want that i don't give up that is so in your personality right there i won't back down but um let's let's take a look at some tape because we've gone 40 minutes without any tape so people are going to not be happy about that let's get some tape up here yeah let's get some start here tape yes i'm starting with the uh this is the scene ball to josh oliver it was a really nice pass by sam donald i just kind of want to showcase how the giants were thinking about playing a star wide receiver who was being used in the slot kelen moor is now in the division kelen moor is known for using his star wide receiver cd lamb keen and allen in the slot we're going to see that probably with aj brown and if that not debonk to smith is a very good wide receiver so you can see justin jefferson top of your screen he is in the slot now the giants are going to go and they're going to have cover four bobby okerke middle hook defender what does he do he turns directly towards justin jefferson and this was really smart on sam donald because he saw bobby okerke do this and you could see just bracket you have both of the safeties top of the numbers nick makloud inside leverage on the uh on the receiver who is running a bit of a wheel route muisau gets dragged up from that running back and then you can just see how the scene just becomes wide open for josh oliver very nice throw very nice play by sam donald but again man like he still has that long lined up sam donald you had it paused before like looking where that ball goes how low he gets that ball ah yeah dude but he whips it from that that's how he generates his velocity almost feels like it's it's a good throw it really is and and it just fits right exactly where it where it needs to go because the strength of the formation is to the other side with depending on how you want to look at the strength with josh oliver who's on the line of scrimmage adds that no player right there i think there might be a no there's not a receiver at the bottom of the screen either so you're still opening up towards justin jefferson because he's such a threat so we're gonna probably see a similar type of um coverage scheme against the cd lambs and the and the aj brown because they're going to be used in the slot and you can see how justin jefferson there's really no room for him you have a got a safety overtop of him you have bobby okerke eyes directly on him walling him off from the inside and then another defender underneath another middle hook defender underneath but that's going to open up the area for josh oliver up that seam and and then vleikings exploited that and ended up turning this into six points uh i think the uh this is the sack by dextrallorance i just wanted to just look man let's get a little positive right now right i'm not gonna make ad read but dextrallorance he just runs right through edding room on this play and there's just really no yeah there's just no chance for edding room to really do much and dextrall look how just low his hips are like into the contact man like once he makes that contact he lands that inside hand on the shoulder pad like you could see how his his hips just sink he has bend in his like his his chest is kind of bowed upward his legs are behind him and and he's still able to generate so much force and so much power through his hips into the contact while bending at 346 pounds like you know when in the NFL can do this kind of stuff man that's why he is so god he's so damn unique you know what i'm saying like and he just breaks right through and just gets a sack on Sam carnal but unfortunately the giants you know not much happened we had a force fumble and then you know we didn't really yeah see this be maximized other than the fact that he did have six pressures in this game so i like this twist from the giants the third and long play the giants are going to overload the right side of the Vikings formation with Elijah Chapman who is going to be the two eye on the inside shoulder with a guard dextrallorance who is the four eye on the inside shoulder of the tackle and cave on tibido was wide now you brian burns on the other side and then a linebacker bobby okay on the line of scrimmage with dane belton directly behind him so there's one of the snaps where dane belt was on there we didn't get to see a lot of these sub package snaps because the giants suck but i think you're going to see more creative types of twists and and crowding line of scrimmage bailing simulated pressures creepers all those things if the giants can maintain a positive or just a neutral game strike but on this play cave on tibido loops underneath this is the pirates done that we used to talk about right now we talked about that all the officers all the pirates do you're gonna have two defensive lineman go outward try sway the protection outward to get the center to flare outward cave on tibido the edge rusher is going to loop underneath them and try to go through the a gap now it's a really good play by this guard who uh was cognizant of this happening okay okay just presses a line of scrimmage his assignment is the uh is the cj ham right there but i just like this type of rush and this is one of like the four times Elijah Chapman just got buried into the deck as you could see yeah unfortunate end to this rep for Elijah of Elijah Chapman but i do like the the look i do like the blitz look that you talked about hopefully like you said get some positive game scripts oh that was also the adori penalty as well um but from the back end does look a little bit more like what the rule says needs to be called it just again it does look a little bit more like it but i still stand by you know yeah yeah so now we're gonna have this is the inside spin i was referencing before that led to an incomplete pass by brian burns again you're you're out wide you're forcing brian o' kneel to vertical set you could see how the running back i think that's erin jones he's gonna go chip brian burns anticipates this and this is one of the things i like about brian burns because he is so smooth he fluid balanced and controlled when he is spinning when he is moving right so he is able to notice i've been dealing with chips all damn game right he sets to the outside makes contact spins right back to the inside gets that hit on sam darnell and then forces that incomplete pass it's a very good play brian burns is his pressure that was credited to him it could have easily been a sack and you also see dextr lorn's basically splitting a double team to create that interior pressure and then we see cave on as well against darrasol now on this play cave on had to deal with a tight end who is directly over top of him right now tight end doesn't chip him but he's still that affects your rush when you have your area because they couldn't chip you have to be aware of that so he tries to go around and you can see there's just you just couldn't really do much on that rush but that wasn't even one of the many that i was referencing earlier throughout this game on unfortunately of course here i just want to highlight this is the this is the dry the 99 yard drive where they just kept getting chunk plays chunk plays chunk plays chunk plays extra lorn's was off the field for a lot of these plays uh but the the giant's cornerbacks really struggled to account for the stems of justin jefferson and jordan attison so you can see jordan attison top your screen he's going to run outward run inward and then you can see nick mclaz like i gotta get over the top play high on this route right it's it's very subtle but then it's how quick these two receivers joston jefferson and jordan attison how quick they can break off their routes how how i would say smooth their feeder when they are doing it how they can sink their hips and come back towards the football that really made it hell for the new york giant's cornerbacks and it's look outward outward to the bottom of the numbers back inward back inward to about the top of the numbers sink your hips and flow back and look how much space he creates against nick mclaz and that's not good coverage how about yeah yeah that's not good no that's not good coverage obviously but you have the curl flat defender who's accounting for josh all of her so really jordan attison is isolated against nick mclaz on this play and it's a tough route to deal with especially when it's well timed and well delivered because there's all that space outside the number the giants were torn apart gash in the secondary outside the numbers and routes like that were one of the reasons why the joston jefferson route was similar the one where he caught up right non-tay bangs who's joston jefferson started inside and he kind of broke vertical and then he went out you know what are those what does that all rely on though that all relies on timing in the passing game and rhythm and anticipation and i think this is a great example of the difference between this passing game right now credit who you want kevin o'connelled sam darnell the receivers whatever you want how mount they've wrapped it i don't know but i mean going back to that this is just a really good play from everyone the quarterback included like just look at the difference between sam darnell when he's in the pocket man versus what we just watched yesterday of another quarterback in the pocket daniel jones like he catches this shotgun snap and there's just no wasted movement he's found his landmark and that's it and he knows he's going to get hit but he's trusting the route he's trusting where he's going to go with the football he's anticipating where to throw the football and he's throwing it before the receivers out of the break which you can't see from that angle but it's what he does and he's just not moving in the pocket you know it just doesn't look uncomfortable for him back there he's not skittishly slamming his body all around going left right up down it's just find your landmark settle down and make the throw and i just felt like i saw that throughout the game from darnell he really somehow got himself locked into this kevin o'connell scheme this is another example of just very little wasted movement from the quarterback in the pocket find your landmark plant and go um i don't really know because he didn't have that many reps he just had this all season but he really feels comfortable in this system or looked at yeah yeah i i expected him to because i have really have an o'connell yeah i mean i i took him in like fantasy and stuff if that's the case though nick and this is a larger discussion i don't want to go too deep because it's more for the offense but if that's the case and you said and what you said is i thought he would be because of kevin o'connell how good i don't think he's going to be like the same sam konnell i know i just think he wasn't going to fall flat on his face and i also think it's the year he spent in san francisco and i think that helped in the starting quarter i think there's a lot of factors in it and it's just him not being coached by adam geys and matt rule right i thought we were going to see the best version of sam dorall that we've seen which i believe too and i was on board with that but i'll ask you this i mean it begs the question man if you felt because the first thing he said out your mouth was i liked him fantasy my super flex because i trusted kevin o'connell if you could trust kevin o'connell to revive sam darnold like what does it say about brian dable like if he's not at that level or more importantly it might just be what does it say about daniel jones i know a lot of fans you daniel jones and sam darnell in the same level right now is a quarterback but i got to tell you they don't look they didn't look anything alike at all on sunday yeah no i think it also has to do with josin jefferson i think i has to do with your nadison you have to do a t j hawkinson when he comes back and the author's line he was better than the time yeah but kevin o'connell has you know this wide zone outside zone system that when he gets into his play action bag when he can run the football which you know they haven't historically been great running the football since the alvin cook has left but you know i think erin jones is a better running back than than an alizander mattison and i do believe it tied jailer to some degree i i think that system works and i think it's something that we have seen i think it's a significant step down from kirk cousins if we're talking about sam darnell but again i think we were going to i thought we would see the best version of sam darnell but he is sam darnell which means when he starts seeing some curve balls against the he's corner he's can still crap all over himself which may happen you know i'm not ruling that out but it's still such a better situation than adam frickin geys and matt rule dude yeah it is and i'm not really worries much about like his past i just i you know for me for my standpoint nick i'm less convinced than i ever have been at least since we hired him that brian dable is this advantage on the offensive side of the ball i like what he did in 2022 to hide daniel jones as a quarterback and find a way to get some kind of epa out of quarterback with his skill set which again we haven't really seen much that he does well besides run and throw the digger out but it's just unfortunate and sad but like that faded and i look back at the allen stuff dude and i'm wondering how much that was just he had josh alan as his quarterback because i watched hush alan full game tape this week they started down 17 to 3 and i don't really like brady as a coordinator i think he's way too run heavy and two 12 personnel every but allen just went to hero mode and a lot of that game and made some unbelievable plays dude and it's just like i don't know i'm just at a point where i'm second guessing everything right now all the things we thought we knew for joe uh you know brian dable gives us an advantage on offense joe shane's a smart savvy jam with a good process all this has to be questioned when you look that pathetic in week one as a second year in a row too yeah but this is um again this is like a good concept high-low concept where it makes it easy for sam darnall again i get some suspect secondary and we saw dory jax and get input input into the lineup after this drive now i don't think a dory played the inside nick mccloud ended up getting back out there if i'm not mistaken but you have two releases they're just going to stack right against each other yep and then you see jor nadison again starts outward and gets to the top of the numbers and then breaks safety gets to that outside hip and there's that throwing window again nick mccloud kind of overplays it a little bit but it's also a tough assignment when you're playing you know eight ten yards off the line of scrimmage against these receivers you can break their routes off so damn quickly falls out before the receiver gets out of his break thrown into space rather than to the open receiver the quarterback's mechanics look good his feet look good in the pocket this offense just passing him just looks on time man and in sync out of nowhere the first one is this is rough this is this is just rough cave on tibido he gets snatch and trap to try to land the long arm and anticipate it very well by christian darrasall who just looks kind of like bowser out there you know he's like so big dude so big and then and then you can just see like to see your fifth overall pick a tree like that's a tough ring and yeah that's that's that's a tough one that's probably one of his worst ones i have also a great great rep from darrasall darrasall is very good yeah that's one thing i definitely learned from this tape was christian darrasall is very good at football he's like a leet tackle almost they got an elite tackle in like the late 20s actually one pick after the giant strapped to get airy stony uh no i know yep yep yep that's being a giant fan and then here's the touchdown to jaylin naylor great throw by sam dark bro by darnell man this is in the far hash far he's on the far hash bro look how he fakes the pump fake to just in general fakes a pump fake gets a shoulder set resets his feet and delivers that's football wild dj davinson hits him that's such a good throw same way and we haven't seen it i mean no no no we haven't seen anything like that but this is a great play call to Jefferson fast three put in motion sell the screen and that gets kordell flat to bite and it's like flat look man like you already have somebody on juson jefferson you need to be cognizant that the assignment you were just on is running past you we're not trying to block at all yeah yeah these these are the frustrating mistakes that you see from players like kordell fly who this guy has to be out there playing like 60 snaps on this defense like every offensive coordinator is going to circle him and just pick on him like the Vikings did on this play and just absolute toasted easy touchdown that's crazy i nothing about that i mean from the coverage standpoint yeah but nothing about that look easy to me from the pocket view of that i mean this is a quarterback who has the pump fake square shoulders with a guy bearing down on him literally about to crush him in clobberman he still gets the ball out on time and on target and it's a place there you can see how everybody goes outside there's no dextralorence on the field there's no cave on tibido everyone goes outside uh well some of the guys go inside but everyone sets the left more i should say that darius moose out blitzes around the ass of brian burns so you have a five man pressure here but moose out gets picked up by two different guys dj davinson is the one who creates the pressure and he is the second leader on the giants behind dextralorence and pressures with a whopping two but they're actually a pretty damn good rep by dj davinson it's a push set pull swim creating immediate separation from ed ingram and was right in the face of sam darnell but still obviously it was completed because the Vikings could do no wrong that sunday yeah and i don't love the pressure stat nick as a team total because i think like it's so dependent on the offense that you play in so i know if we look at the end of the season a lot of the best teams the NFL i would imagine their pass pressures are up in the pre leading bleak and pressures or just have so many more opportunities to actually pressure the quarterback like giants and have a lot of pressures but when you watch i know you just watched it like the second half tape dude like they didn't have that many opportunities really no they were down so much the Vikings had no interest in throwing the ball yeah they could just run the ball and get out of get out of metlay put the win out of that way by dj davinson and dj davinson they're not look good on tape either but this is one that i want a great rep from him he almost gets in there darnell just puts him makes an insane play here yeah who would have thought we'd be saying that right and what else we have here we also have this is uh the dane belt and play look how much time though this is like one of the plays where you rush for and you're getting nothing you get nothing dane belton gets his hand this is a third long passing situation giants get into their sub package sam darnell goes through like a full field and a half progression and the giants to their great good in coverage right good in coverage see jason pinnock flying down from a two high set dane belton using those uh defensive basketball skills to get his hand in the throwing window and come away with a pb u another rough ref for keban tibido too yeah he gets totally eliminated on this it's just like look it he doesn't look big to me right here like physically imposing at all no it doesn't look similar to brian burns but brian burns has the edgeband dude and like chad chadman gets put on his ass again too now yeah it's pumped into by keban yeah that's that's a tough spot for him yeah this is like great great eyes by belton though yeah belton belton's good man this is this is what belties thrive but this is such good protection and such a bad pass rush and they get all four hands on dexar Lawrence and this is one more dexar Lawrence can't even at this point dexar Lawrence is just kind of trying to get his hands in the passing plane right because there was nowhere for him to go and both the edge rushes were dominated on this like brian burns brian burns had to deal with the release of that tight end that slows him down allows him to not go wide really helps out brian o'neill but yeah just kind of dominates him at that point too yeah i feel like when you get when you have to redirect what are you what are you saying jeez about you you yawn so much do i bore you no it has nothing to do with this this it has to be i mean the giants for me so yeah i was y'all know i was on no i know i just didn't get a lot of sleep the past two days especially last night so my body's just naturally reacting unfortunately this is a crazy play by dame though no i love that yeah great play by belton i think we have like one one or two more plays to go over here this is the the jason pinock pbu i love this play call man by kevin okan though like they're they're scheming plays to the field dan right like a field side scheme plays because they trust sam darland to deliver that football when the hell do you ever see that with the giants you don't because there is no trust for jones to deliver the football and if anyone wants to argue against that you could say well then why are defenses leaving the field side open for the giants and they're still not attacking it that's a good play by jason pinock to to get over there i said but we don't need to go back on that that's when i do feel like you know sometimes people say that we we can sometimes hammer too hard on similar points we have made that point about jones and not attacking the field side so it is what it is they probably heard that before but it's it's a reality and something that's held back this let's also stick into what we're watching right now i mean we're watching tape where they're they're designing plays to the star receiver to that side so it's in the bed it does it does and one day the giants will design plays to the field side one day and darius muisau's interception just look at dexarland dexarland's cause this and and honestly garret bradbury does like a good job resetting it like look garret bradbury has to sink himself almost down to the deck resets his hips against dexarland's and dexarland's right now he's expanded basically all of the yeah it is energy upward but it doesn't matter he still walks garret bradbury right back in the sam darland like he's so special dexarland and it leads to this interception it's great play by lones i mean you can just see the pure strength that he has there yeah and then you know on this one k-bon has to deal with a tight end with brian burns not on the field you have rakeem dunea's roaches and Elijah Chapman rushing in the passer you know that's not gonna be a good point and after being a pick for darius muisau who looked okay you know he wasn't wasn't terrible in the game no he was not all right neck anything else on this defense before he gets us some some superlatives no i think we can get in this superlatives the run defense was not good they need to be structurally sound of past defense is going to be a problem all season dexar lorance is superman and the edressors need to step up there you go summary with that said there's some positives take away from the defense of vax um we're gonna get that right here with our unheralded players the game who was your unheralded player the game tylenubin is my unheralded player of the game look tylenubin missed most of training camp but it didn't matter he played 55 snaps he was the starter for the giant's defense and there were plays where he was just flying around he had one stick at the line of scrimmage a very beautiful tackle i ended up putting it on twitter if anybody wants to go check it out where he met erin jones or ty channeler right at the line and like drove him backwards there was another play where it was an incomplete pass and you see him going from a deep half like way across the field to cut off a throwing window so you just kind of saw him flying around the football thought felt like it was a good debut albeit the giants obviously didn't really have much positivity but if you want to look at any bright spots it was him he had six tackles in this game i think he had one missed tackle though yeah he was definitely in the mix for me and i actually felt like there were i thought i liked pretty much everything i saw from nubin phillips and also from jason pinock who i thought was really great in this game and i was really excited about the fact that jason pinock looked good on tape because he's in a new system and i was just curious how it would fit him i almost feel like this might end up being a better fit for him which we'll see if it plays out the season but my guide that i gave it to is true phillips um the way i look at this thing nick when the giants actually won football games under this regime in 2022 they won them by really really close margins they obviously had one of the easiest schedules in football but they also had really close margin wins so the play he made early in that game to force that fumble and give them that opportunity in that year in 2022 dude they turned that into a red they turned that red zone trip into a touchdown and they defined the whole game the giants win the game because of that play so to me that's what defines an unheralded play it didn't work out in this game obviously because the giants offense when it wasn't able to convert on that and just turn that into three points but that's the type those are the types of plays that can turn games when you're a good football team or even when you're a mediocre football team right now of course the giants and we've won at least were a horrific football team one of the worst two the entirely goes never carolina um so it didn't matter in that game but i'm giving it to him all right highest effort player yeah this was tough because there were options on this but i'm giving it to Jason pinock um we talked a little bit about him i just thought he played a really good game it was sound zero mistackles um didn't have that many tackles with zero mistackles and just looked like he knew where he should be and coverage relative to the rest of this defense um just thought he was further ahead than then you could expect for somebody in a new defensive system that's so different than the one he just played in yeah mine is drew phillips for the highest effort player obviously the fumble was a big deal he also had a tackle on the edge where he basically shoestringed erin jones as the force defender which i feel like he's gonna be really good in that role as that nickel apex guy coming down and being a force he plays nickel yes if he plays nickel which i think he should and then he also had the third and eight stop against journadison on the drag route which is a really difficult uh which is a really difficult thing to uh to slow down and man covered but that short area quickness that he possesses could be a difference maker in man coverage so to me it would be the rookie drew phillips okay how about this one not much of a debate but best player on tape overall that's the Lawrence yeah hopefully we can get brian burns to to win this one occasional we'll get it you'll get it you know about pass rushing grade one through ten uh well we got to do players we expected to see more oh sorry players we expect to see more from for me it's cave on and that's obvious in my opinion yeah it's cave on for me um or i would say banks or burns just just the fact that like these are supposed to be potential stars for them let's start to see them play like stars yeah pass rush i put a um i put a 3.9 now i wanted to go a little higher just because decks was so dominant but we had expectations for cave on and and brian burns and they didn't necessarily manifest now the caveat to that is the offense didn't do them any justice they really didn't pass rush all that much in the in the third quarter and in the fourth quarter so i i want to you know put that context out there but still i was expecting a little bit more so a 3.9 i mostly graded this pass rush on the first half because of what you just said i just think it's kind of unfair to grade them when they're down that much when the offense does that poor of a job for the giants and it's not even like just the offense was just dysfunctional by going three and out all the time they turned it over too like multiple times um once in in the other dune dread zone so i went 4.4 because extra Lawrence was so dominant that he almost brought it up to five himself yeah so run defense this is bad it's not good not good i went with a i went with a 2.1 for run defense it probably won the first they averaged 4.3 yards per care there were a couple plays where okareke and i knew bin and a couple of the other uh second level defenders did well there were a couple plays early in the game where decks were Lawrence just took over and like just just was an absolute force with a gravitational pull on the line of scrimmage but overall i mean it was tough especially outside near those edge rushes right something that needs to be rectified so i went 2.1 you said you went 1 1.0 yeah so i just felt i think context for me is playing a role here i don't really have any faith that Kevin O'Connell reinvented the wheel and created a strong run game in minnesota and i think that will play out over the rest of the year they're going to be one of the worst rushing teams in the nfl minnesota and the fact that they were able to run for 4.3 against the giants is not a good sign obviously it's week one i think a lot of this will hopefully be corrected but then chain bones even but if i'm just grading on a scale of what did i see i saw the run defense look terrible in this game so unfortunately 1.0 nice man yeah and those are all our superlatives 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