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For our first episode of Spooky Season, Nicole and Joe explore the origin theories of everyone’s favorite bathroom entity, Bloody Mary. They talk about spiritualism, historical figures that could have inspired the legend, and possible symbolic connections to puberty.
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Webster, A. (2018, March 15). 8 Chilling First-Hand Bloody Mary Stories. https://the-line-up.com. https://the-line-up.com/9-chilling-bloody-mary-stories
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[music] Hello everybody we are back. I am Joe and I'm Nicole and you're listening to spook. Nicole was suffering from a bit of a cough. She still got a little bit of a cough. Would you say? Yes, I still have a cough. So I'm hoping I can make it through an episode without coughing. Well don't hurt yourself. But I have a cough drop and I have water and I took medicine so hopefully I'll make it through without coughing too much. Maybe once or twice I'll have to cough but hopefully it won't be too bad. I'll just leave it in. Okay. Yeah, so we're back so we took a week off and now it is September and it is spooky season. Spooky season is football season football is spooky. It's back to school season. Oh, even spookier. So today we have an episode that is spooky. Sorry. See when I start to laugh or something it starts to trigger. It triggers the cough. Oh, so I shouldn't say any jokes. Maybe not. But oh, okay. You can. That's okay. I'll survive. So today we have a story. We're talking about something that is spooky in nature. I guess it's it's considered to be an urban legend. Yeah, I would say so. Yeah. They've made like, I think there's a movie about it. It's not a good one but I think it exists. Okay. Well, this we're talking about something that is a staple for slumber parties everywhere. Everybody knows about the game or the ritual of Bloody Mary. I know most people do. I can't say I've ever played it myself. Maybe I was too spooked as a child but it's definitely more I think it was geared towards girls more. Why is that? I wonder why that is like, oh, the spooky death ritual that we'll get into it. But okay. But yeah, I think it was that's like I said, it's a staple for slumber parties and sleepovers and for the most part, usually like female sleepovers. I mean, maybe maybe some boys played it but I think typically it was it's usually done by girls. When I look back on it most of the time, when I had like sleepover parties, we just played video games. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I hope my cough isn't like too loud over the the audio. Like I hope it's not like blasting people's ears. The audio, but so like I hope it's not like they're like listening and all the sort of like, you know, they hear like a booming like cough and it's like because I don't know how it sounds recorded, you know? Yeah. So I'm sorry I apologize if it's like really loud. I'm trying to like not make it as loud as it could be. Yeah. So I definitely played Bloody Mary, played it. I don't know. To me it's like a game but I guess some people take it more seriously. I don't think we ever my friends and I ever took it too seriously because nothing really ever happened when we would play it. Call it a ritual, call it a game, call it, you know, whatever, a legend. What is a legend? But yeah, so I mean I we would play it sometimes. I remember playing it at sleepovers but like I said nothing really ever. I don't have any experiences of something happening from playing Bloody Mary. But I will later in this episode I'll read People's First Hand Experiences with playing Bloody Mary from the internet. So take it with a creative salt but yeah. So the legend, people can trace the origins of Bloody Mary back to like when people like actually started like talking about the legend and like playing the game and everything, you could trace it back to the 1970s. And then also just warning, I'll be mentioning things like occult practices, murder, human sacrifice, gore, and torture. So just putting that out, putting that out. Oh no, sorry, let me just take a drink. Okay, so the typical virtual of Bloody Mary goes like this. The person enters a dark room with a light candle typically. A candle or it could be like a you could have a flashlight. They then stare into the mirror while chanting Bloody Mary three times, sometimes 13 times it depends. But it's like a set number of times. The most common are three times for 13. I think we did it three times when we played. If performed correctly, the person might get scratched on the face by Bloody Mary as she's coming through the mirror, or she might be released from the mirror from the afterlife and haunt the person who is playing the game forever. Or more than likely nothing will happen and you'll just get a headache from staring at the mirror for too long. Oh, I thought that I always thought that it was you say it three times and then she kills you like candy man. That's like the extreme. The most common people will say that that she'll appear to them or that they'll get scratched or they'll see blood on the mirror or something like that. Yeah. So where does this come? Where does this idea? Where does this legend come from? So the idea of using divination with a mirror, you so using it, divination using a mirror is called... how do you say it? Catap... Catap tromancy. Catap tromancy. Yeah. And divination basically means using occult practices to gain insight. Some practitioners use a single mirror while others use multiple mirrors or crystal balls. So like that's where the idea of like, you know, seeing the future with a crystal ball or whatever, that's basically just it's divination. Yeah. It can be done in the dark or in light. So like in the daytime or at night. Some people believe they see literal glimpses of the future where others believe the practice to be symbolic or metaphorical. So yeah. And then mirrors as portals. So like basically to a lot of people who practice spiritualism, mirrors can be portals to the spirit realm. Some believe that spirits use mirrors and even windows to move on or to move in and out of our realm. Sorry. Therefore, if you cover a mirror or a window, you are cutting off a spirit's ability to move throughout the realms. I don't know if you've seen the movie Oculus, but... Yes I have. That movie is about a mirror. It is the evil mirror. And that's like playing into the idea of mirrors being portals to different dimensions basically. Yeah. Yeah. So I mentioned like spiritualism. If we look at the spiritualist movement, which was during the late 19th century and early 20th century, young women would take part in a divination ritual. It was very common. They would even have like ads and magazines and like newspapers for like divination rituals for like how like telling women how they can like practice a divination ritual. Oh. So women were told to walk up the stairs backwards, holding a candle and a mirror. Then they were told to look into the mirror as they're walking backwards and then that they were told that they would see the face of the man they would marry. That sounds unsafe. If they saw a skull instead of a regular person, like the grim reaper, that meant that they would die before they could marry. Oh. And this is it basically is just playing into the idea of, you know, women, their only purpose of life is to marry. So like, you know, I don't know, it's, it's kind of, you know, outdated and sexist. But I saw like a, like a picture on Wikipedia. Let me see if I could find it of Bloody Mary, not the cocktail. No, here it is. From like an old magazine or an ad. And it says on Halloween, look into, look in the glass, your future husband's face will pass. Oh, it looks like the Oh, it's a Halloween greeting card. Oh, it looks like the wicked witch of the West is like next to the mirror. Yes, this is the shadow of a witch who's cast onto the wall. Sorry. So, um, yeah. Okay, so moving on to our origin theories. So this first origin theory. Oh, no. Sorry. Came about in like the 1970s. And it was created by a folklorist named Alan Dundee, Dundee, Dundee's, I don't know. And he said that the ritual is a is basically an initiation into womanhood. And the blood representing the blood represents menstruation. And that's typically in a bathroom. And the ritual typically is performed by Cretean girls. So at the symbol for puberty. So wait, the ritual itself. I'm sorry. This wasn't I don't think this came out in the 1970s. I would have to say probably later because the whole idea of girls playing Bloody Mary started in like the 1970s, I think. So this theory probably started later. But no. But yeah, it's basically that's very Freudian. It's the idea that it was created to be like symbolic of puberty for girls. Which when you think about it, I mean, it does have a lot of similarities to like menstruate, like menstruation. Because like, there's the whole blood aspect. Yeah, it's typically played by girls, usually preteen girls. So that they're at that age of, you know, about to have people like reach puberty. And it's in a bathroom. So like, yeah, I could see I could see the connection there. It's possible. Who knows? But that's one theory that it's just like symbolic of the initiation into womanhood. And it's also kind of like a right of known right of passage to play Bloody Mary as a preteen. But like, it's, I don't know, it's just like the thing that you do, like a sleepover, I don't know. So our next theory is that Bloody Mary came from historical figures of, you know, people who existed at one point in time that perhaps this was based the perhaps the game or the ritual was based on these people and like what they did in life. The first one is Mary the first who was Queen of England and Ireland from July 1553 until her death of until her death in 1558. She also ruled over Spain and the Habsburg dominions alongside King Philip II from January 1556 to her death. She was given the name Bloody Mary by her Protestant opponents. Mary was Catholic and was against the English Reformation that her father Henry VIII had started. She had her Protestant dissenters burned at the stake. Oh, lovely. So she's she's called Bloody Mary. So there's definitely a possibility that they were inspired by whoever created the ritual was inspired by this Mary tutor. I was I was reading a little bit about about Mary and I feel I feel a little bit. I mean, I know she did that like she did horrible things but in comparison to a lot of like male monarchs at that time, like her own father Henry VIII, she really wasn't as I mean she was probably just as bad as some of the male yeah monarchs but it feels like history has made her out to be even more evil because she's a woman which I mean I'm just like she did do terrible things like and so did her father but you like she's the one that got the name Bloody Mary like yeah so yeah so she kind of has like that reputation. Sorry. Okay. So next, let me just take a drink. Well, a next person he may have heard of is Countess Elizabeth battery. Yes, I thought of his air air submit. Yeah, so Elizabeth battery I think. Yeah, she was a Hungarian noblewoman who lives between 1560 and 1614. So a little bit after Mary the first or Bloody Mary. In 1610, she was accused of serial of serial murder and was exiled until her death. It is said that she had at least 600 victims. Whoa. This earned her the Guinness World Record for most prolific female serial killer. She might have even been the inspiration for Bram Stoker's Dracula. However, while we you you did the Irish we did the Irish folklore episode and you talked about an Irish legend being possibly being inspiration. I mean, if in all likelihood he had multiple points of like inspiration, there was probably like multiple things that like popped into his head when he thought like, Oh, what's a vampire, you know, noble, like, right? Probably thought it was a little bit of this and a little bit of that. Yeah. And like I said, she she was a countess and like Dracula count Dracula. Yes. So it's possible her crimes have been exaggerated though. Oh, but she most likely did kill people. But some of it might have been exaggerated. She was accused of crimes against both young female servants and noble women. Some victims were covered in honey and left outside for insects to feed on. So that's one way she would torture them. Oh. So they were basically like eaten alive. During the colder months of the year, she would have women stripped naked and forced into ice baths. She enjoyed torturing girls using needles, cutting their faces and whipping them with stinging needle with stinging nettles. Oh, some aspects of her crimes point towards a sexual motivation. However, it's impossible to prove this because we'll never you know, never know really. Yeah, popular depictions tend to have her bathing in the blood of her version victims, thinking that it would restore her youth. This aspect of her crimes wasn't written about until 100 years following her death. So it probably did not happen. Oh, the bathing in the blood. They only investigated the murders of the young noble women, not the servants. That makes sense. Count. Good Georgie Georgie Georgie Georgie Georgie Thurzo. Some Hungarian count. Yeah, was called in to investigate and actually surprised Elizabeth mid torture. Oh, so she so she was in the she was in the middle of torturing a victim when he literally caught her red hat red-handed. She never really was convicted of any crime. Probably because of big nobility. Sounds about right. And due to her social standing, she wasn't put in typical prison, she was just exiled to a castle. Oh, sad. Exiled to a castle. Yeah, so it's sad that she never faced justice for any of her crimes, really. And also it's sad that she was never, they never really cared about the servant girls that she murdered, which I think there were probably more servants that she murdered than noble girls. Probably. So, yeah, that's she was not a good person. I would argue probably worse than Mary Bloody Mary. I mean, you know, Bloody Mary did kill a lot of Protestants. But, um, well, it's okay because now, like, I think, I think her is like Elizabeth Batterie's reputation is like pretty tarnished now. Oh, yeah, no, definitely. She got what she deserved. She's like the, uh, she's like the villain of the new Castlevania Netflix show, which I thought was pretty cool. Although, maybe she would like, she would like to have like this, um, like notoriety, like big infamous. Yeah. I don't know. But, uh, so you've probably heard of like the, the legend of, her being like a vampire or like, you know, bathing in the blood of her victims. Sorry, I'm all stuffed up. Uh, but that probably was not true. Uh, I mean, they can, we can assume that she did kill girls. Um, but I think they kind of exaggerated a little bit with the detail and played around with the details. I don't know if she had really 600 victims. Um, we'll never know because they never documented like the servants and stuff that she killed really. Um, sorry. But yeah, so she was a bad, a bad lady. Uh, and I could, I could see the legend of Bloody Mary being based on her too, as well, even though her name's not Mary, but, um, yeah. But with like, the whole like serial killer thing, yeah, it makes sense, I guess. Yeah. Okay. Our next person is not a verified person. Um, it's more of a legend also. So we don't know if she was a real person or not. Uh, they call her Mary Worth and she has two possible identities. One story says that Mary Worth was a woman that lived in the 19th century and killed slaves who were escaping the American South via the underground railroad. The legend says that Mary was a witch and killed slaves to use as human sacrifices. Well, that's just insulting to witches. Yeah. She was eventually executed by her fellow villagers. The second legend says that she was accused of witchcraft and Salem during the 17th century and was killed during the trials. So the last, the last part sounds more, uh, plausible than the first part. Well, couldn't they confirm like if there was a Mary Worth that was executed? Um, because I thought that they kept the records of. I know. Maybe they think that she was like under the under the radar. I don't know. Um, I mean, I think I looked up. Mary Worth and I don't know if there's any. I don't see it. I don't think she was ever verified as being a real person. Oh, yeah. There was probably like, I'm sure they get the list of, I could get a list of names. List of people killed during Salem witch trials. Oh, Google has, uh, it has all the, there's all the afflicted. Oh, Mary Fuller. Um, okay, executed. Um, I don't see it. There's Mary's. There's two Mary's. There's a Mary Parker. Isn't that Spiderman's mop? Um, there is. Yeah. Or she, I mean, yes, she is. Um, so there's two Mary's, but, uh, there neither of them are Mary, uh, worth. So who knows, I heard. Uh, sounds like there's not much credence to this. Yeah, oh wait, it says up to as many as up to 13 additional people are considered to also likely have died in prison while they're on charges of which, of witchcraft. Okay. So it's possibly that it's possible that she died before she could have been executed. Oh, um, there's a lot of people. So, uh, yeah. Okay. We're going to do a whole episode on the Salem Witch Trials in the future. Oh, yeah. In November. So, well, I'll wait until then to really go into that. Um, yeah. Sorry. Okay. So now we're going to talk about experiences of people. So, uh, when deciding what to do for this part, I was going to just take Reddit stories or like Reddit posts and just like, you know, read them. Um, but I don't know if they would walk to be shared on here. So, uh, and I didn't have the time to like reach out to people and ask for their, you know, permission permission. So I'm just going to be using a webs, uh, an article that was written by Audrey Webster on the website, the lineup. It is called eight chilling firsthand Bloody Mary stories. Oh, so we're getting second hand information. Yeah. Sorry. I know it's not most probably the most accurate, but then again, they're Bloody Mary stories. So yeah, they're not like fat. Um, no offense to anybody who's experienced a Bloody Mary, um, experience. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Okay. Gonna take a drink of water before I start. Okay. Okay. Okay. Our first story looks like it is about someone named Marissa. Uh, and she says Marissa and her friend had just finished watching an eerie episode of Ghost Whisperer and Marissa wanted to scare her friend. Um, one of her favorite activities. So Marissa looked into her living room mirror, spun three times saying Bloody Mary, uh, no ghost appeared. So she went into the bathroom to try again against the warning of her friend Marissa shut off the lights, closed the door and repeated the chant. When she looked into the mirror this time, there was still nothing disappointed. She was about to flip on the light when she caught a glimpse of something. She looked, she looked closer and discovered a black and white woman with her mouth open wide. Marissa expected a scream, a scream from the apparition, but found only dead, terrifying silence. The woman in the mirror lifted her arms and Marissa saw her hands were bright red, not with polish, but with blood. Her fingernails had been torn off, hands reached out from behind Marissa and grabbed her shoulders, Marissa screamed, turned on, turned on the light and ran from the bathroom. Ooh, spooky. Okay, our next story, uh, is about Katie. Katie was only nine years old when she and her friends decided to attempt Bloody Mary at her house one weekend. The five friends carefully carried candles to the bathroom and began chanting Bloody Mary as they chanted an old woman with cuts across her face and chains around her neck and shoulders appeared in the mirror. Suddenly, the shower curtain went up in flames and the girls fled the bathroom. An older boy ran in and put out the fire. Although the girls were blamed for the curtain catching fire, they and their candles were were much too far away to have caused it. 25 years later, Katie has never been tempted to try calling Bloody Mary ever again. I like the first one more. Okay, our next story is about Friday the 13th. Ooh, while friends Sarah, sorry, while friends Sarah Gail and Missy hung out on Friday the 13th, they got to talking about Bloody Mary. The girls had been reading about her on the internet and decided to try the ritual for themselves. The trio got several candles and set them up in Gail's bedroom. They waited until 2.55 a.m. then went to the bathroom and chanted Bloody Mary 13 times. As soon as the as soon as she had been called 13 times, Bloody Mary appeared in the swirling smoke in the mirror. All three girls screamed and turned on the light, only for Bloody Mary to vanish immediately. But okay. Sorry. What's our next story about? So a group of girls was spending the summer at CAP in the Pacific Northwest on an island called Anna Cortez. Sure. Sick of exploring the woods, they decided to collectively fake food poisoning. What? What? Okay. They ran to a bathroom and shut themselves up in it, hoping to make the fakery convincing. While they were there, one girl, Jessica, came up with the idea to play Bloody Mary. Because why not? You're in the bathroom. Why not play Bloody Mary? I guess. The rest of the group agreed and they shut off the lights. They said Bloody Mary three times into the mirror and waited. At first, there was nothing. Then the mirror cracked. All the girls ran off screaming except for one. The remaining camper was paralyzed with fear. She stared and saw a flash of movement behind the mirror as if someone was standing right behind her. She turned and ran from the bathroom. The next morning, the girls laughed about the event, if only to hide how scared they had been. Okay. I like how most of these stories don't really describe what Bloody Mary looks like. Well, I think some will. I think some do, but we'll do it. Yeah. Drink, drink, drink. Okay. One night, Kelsey's friend had a slumber party. The girls dared one of their crew to, to try a colleague, Bloody Mary, in the bathroom. The friend accepted, blimbly confident that the supposed ghost could do her no harm. 15 minutes passed as the other girls waited for something to happen, but there were no signs of Bloody Mary to be found. Then they heard the girl scream. She tried to get out of the bathroom and was stuck, even though the door had, sorry, even though, even though the door didn't have a lock on it. When Kelsey and her friends finally got the Mary summoner out, she was crying and wibbering. She showed the girls her arms. They were covered in scars that had never been there before. To do this, sorry, to, to this day, Kelsey has not been able to get her friend to speak of what happened to her that night. Okay. Okay, another Friday, the 13th story. In April of 2007, the 13th fell on a Friday. Sorry. Hold on one second. Oh, uh, on that fateful night, Ezzy and her friends decided to try summoning Bloody Mary. They sat in a circle and called for the spirit, but the coin nearby to communicate. First, they asked that Bloody Mary show a sign that she was there. When they flipped the coin for an answer, they first received a no, but the following two times were yes. They were playing a CD at the time and they got scratchy, despite the fact that the CD was brand new with no marks on it. Then the girls began feeling dizzy and faint as they felt long fingernails brushing against their backs and their faces. The blind started shaking, although the window wasn't open. Ezzy jumped up and closed the circle between the girls and Bloody Mary. They were all utterly shaken. To this day, Ezzy still has the feeling that she is never truly alone. Poor Ezzy. Yeah. Okay. Lauren and her friend were in an experimental mood, the night they decided to try calling Bloody Mary. Oh, well, out on the road, they stopped at a gas station with an outdoor restroom. I don't know why you would do this out on the road, at a gas station, whatever. Well, I guess you can play it anywhere. There's a mirror. I guess they were really bored. I don't know. So they went in, turned off the light, splashed water onto the mirror, and spun around, saying Bloody Mary three times. Lauren's friend flushed the toilet while Lauren stared into her into the mirror. Well, little of her reflection she could make out started turning red. She kept staring. Then her friend started screaming and they ran out the door. Outside, Lauren's friends discovered that her face didn't just appear red. It was covered in blood. When they cleaned her face, they discovered tiny scratch marks, like fingernail scratches all over her face. Ooh. Okay, here's our last story. 29-year-old Amanda has a particularly dramatic tale of Bloody Mary. When she was just 12, Amanda believes that her summoning of the spirit opened a portal that allowed demons and witchcraft into her soul. All of these years later, she has become addicted to drugs. Sorry. She has become addicted to drugs, had postpartum psychosis, was institutionalized for a month and has suffered from extreme mental issues constantly. Amanda has even resorted to exorcisms without success, firmly believing that her young full-heartedness is responsible for her current problems. Okay, I'm sorry, but no, I don't. Yeah, you're gonna shut down Amanda. I'm sorry, but I don't think that playing Bloody Mary caused you to cause all these mental illness issues. Like I don't, I think it was just a separate occurrence. I don't know. Yeah, it's like the, I forgive the name of the foul, so you're like, where you think A happens, then thing B happens, and you assume that thing B was caused by thing A. Without any evidence. Yeah. It's like, oh, I went to McDonald's and then my wife cheated on me, going to McDonald's makes her wife cheat on you or something like that. I don't know. I just pulled that example out of my head. I don't know. I don't know. I'm sorry, 29-year-old Amanda. Maybe, maybe, maybe it did have something. I don't know, but... Reach out to us, Amanda. No, I mean, I mean, you can if you want, but I would just suggest, I hope that you're doing well, and I hope that you got the help that you needed. Yeah, because that sounds like it sounds like you went through a lot, so I'm sorry about that. Yes, our deepest empathy is go out to Amanda. And I guess maybe like some of the other people as well, assuming that their stories are true. Yeah. That's a big F. Yeah. So, I'll put that article in our sources and people want to check it out. So, which origin story of Bloody Mary do you believe to be the real origin? I'm asking you and I'm also asking the audience. Which one do I believe? I think like all of them could have contributed. If I had to guess maybe Elizabeth battery, and then like people saw the name of like Mary Tudor, Mary the First, and like Bloody Mary, and we're like, oh, maybe they kind of combined those two people together. But what did either of those two people do to get trapped in a mirror? Were they Kryptonians? I think the idea is that they're in the spirit realm, and that by summoning them, okay, they're getting out of the spirit realm. Oh, okay. That makes sense. I think there's also like a story about a woman who like lost a child and that she became Bloody Mary or something. I don't know. There's a lot of different legends related to Bloody Mary. For me personally, I think it just started by someone thinking, we need a new game for like, you know, for girls to play at sleepovers, you know? Yeah, and I kind of just mathematically spread and it's like people all around the country just kind of like, or around the world is like kind of like instinctively like, like, oh, it became a cultural thing. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, the whole idea of it being like a symbol for puberty and womanhood. I don't know if I would agree with it being so like Freudian, but but it definitely aligns with the idea of it being played primarily by preteen girls in a bathroom, at a sleepover. I mean, girls do tend to go to the bathroom together more than guys. True. And the blood could be symbolic of menstruation and everything. It's very, maybe it's like, and it was created by like a proto in cell who was like, oh, these girls are going to the bathroom together instead of being instead of talking to me. I'm going to read a story about a crazy woman who kills her. Sorry. It's possible. Sorry, I was trying not to. Oh, I'm sorry. Hey, that's a laugh. And then I made like a grotesque sound. So I'm sorry for that. Um, okay, so I'm kind of scared to listen to this back, listen to this recording back and hear myself speak and make all these noises, but I'm sure it'll be okay. I can edit it around them or try to. Well, they should be okay. I think as long as they're not too bad, but okay. So do you have any bloody Mary experiences? If so, send them in because I would love to see what your experiences are people who are listening. I don't have any personal bloody Mary experiences. I don't know if I maybe I wasn't playing it correctly or performing the ritual correctly. Have you ever ordered a drink? No, I'm sorry. I should bloody Mary, you know, yeah, legend experiences, ritual experiences. I guess I don't have any experience with the drink either. So, um, sorry. So if you have any bloody Mary, you know, ritual experiences or game experiences, please send them in because I would like to hear them. Uh, yeah. Um, maybe we should go play bloody Mary right now. No, I'm kidding. Um, okay. So our next episode will be on, are you afraid of the dark? Yes, the tale of the dream machine, if I remember correctly. Yes. Uh, if you have anything you'd like to share with us in the meantime, like episode suggestions, maybe a true crime case. Um, how you're liking the show for an urban legend or something like that, you can email us or you can DM us on Instagram, our email is spook.podcast@gmail.com at spook with three O's, and our Instagram is spook_podcast. 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