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Troubled Minds Radio: Fungal Frequencies - From Stoned Apes to Sentient Spores
Could technology and nature merge in ways that blur the lines between organic life and machinery? Could something as ancient as a mushroom really become the key to unlocking new realms of understanding, linking the digital with the spiritual? The potential feels both outlandish and inevitable—could this be the future?
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We've had an account there for a long time. Shout out Dark Divious. You mentioned it a ways back. I made an account, never did anything with it. So I think it's time. Let's get on kick and see what's up over there. We're back on Dlive as part of the expansion here. And yeah, what's up, what's up? I'll drop the kick and link in just a second. Well, if you know anything about Troubled Minds, it's time to get weird because that's exactly what we do here. And there's new science, of course. New science happening every day. And that's fantastic. It's something that's brought us here. It's allowed us to not chip our tooth and instantly die in the caveman days or whatever, right, going back to the days of your, OK? So you won't find me kind of a bad mouth in science until the, you know, hashtag trademark the science and all the voodoo stuff where they put up a plastic shield and tell you it's supposed to keep a, well, guy digress. But you catch my meaning, right? When they gaslight science, that's a problem. But I digress just to start, so let's not digress. Let's get right to this. Now, the weird part about tonight is we've talked about this type of stuff before, OK? And the mycelial network, all right, the mushrooms, the shamanic journey, except the shamanic journey has now come full circle. And from the stone dape theory to sentient spores, in this case, which I'm calling this tonight, fungal frequencies from stone dape to sentient spores, because of this, because it's come full circle to not just, let's say, possibly infuse the shamanic journey into humanity, possibly even bring about consciousness if you buy into the stone dape theory. And we'll talk about that tonight. And then, of course, there's this thing that just happened. Yeah, if you guys have been watching any of the media on pretty much anything, wait, did I unmute? OK, make sure we unmute you and everything. OK, OK. All right, sometimes I'm a little bit miss one button here and something doesn't, someone platform doesn't go. I think we're good. Anyway, OK, so check this out. This is from National Geographic. So watch this fungus control a robot, right? All right, OK, yeah, there's a video that goes along with it, which I might play, I might not. We'll see, I do have the video. But basically, it's this. Now, this is the-- really? OK, well, they let me do this. One moment, please, the pay wall pops up. I got some pay wall. There we go, OK, I'm paying wall duty. All right, so bio-hybrid robots that are part fungi and part computer convert fungal electrical signals into digital commands, a promising advance in building more sustainable robots. All right, more sustainable robots, that seems fine, doesn't it? It seems good. But you get the point that, wait, what? Sustainable-- OK, let me explain too much. Let me sum up. Now, here's the wild part. So researchers from Cornell University and the University of Florence have developed innovative bio-hybrid robots that integrate living king oyster mushrooms with robotic systems. This groundbreaking project leverages the electrical signals produced by the mushrooms mycelium. It's root-like structure to control the movements of robotic devices. Yeah, right? OK, that seems fine. And interestingly, the mechanism of control-- you know, I love that term-- the mycelium can generate small electrical signals that function similarly to neural impulses and animals. Oh, kind of brain-like, right? By cultivating the mycelium onto a 3D-printed scaffold embedded with electrodes, researchers were able to translate these signals into digital commands. This allows the robots to respond to environmental stimuli, such as ultraviolet light, which enhances the electrical activity of the mycelium and accelerates the robot's movements. OK? So oddly enough, let's say the biorhythm of the space. Or whatever this is, the mycelium networks always communicating with each other. And it's wild because we've talked about this in the past. It is sort of the network below the trees. There's a lot of really wild things that come about as part of it, including there's something called the mycelium mind, which we'll get to in a moment here. Back to the robots. So the types of robots developed were specifically this. They created two types of robots. Number one, a wheeled robot that can navigate flat surfaces-- seems fine, right? And then a soft-bodied robot with five limbs that mimics natural movement. And if you guys are watching the stream, I think we have pictures of these. There's the one robot with the legs, the five limbs, mimics natural movement. Both robots demonstrate the ability to twitch and move in response to the impulses from the mycelium, effectively allowing the fungus to control their actions. Yeah, right? This is fine. This is fine. No problem. So we just took the actual fungal network, at least a part of it, put it into these robots, translated the electrical signals, and it became sentient? Ooh, is that too much, too fast? OK, so there's the one. There's the one robot. I'll play the other. This is from Enico McCarty on TwitterX. And this is the other wheeled robot that is being controlled. You can see it driving. It's actually being controlled. Yeah, that's right. By a mycelium. By a neural network of sorts from the fungi kingdom. Yeah, right? Weird stuff. Now, what does this mean? I don't know. This is brand new. So potential applications for this. So, of course, environmental monitoring. Here's just a few examples. Because in its infancy, we don't know how much this can scale or how weird this can get. Or can we tap into this with our extra sensory perception or whatever that looks like, right? So environmental monitoring. So their sensitivity to chemical pollutants and toxins could enhance agricultural practices. There's one thing they say. All right, this is mentioned in the article. Another thing is hazardous environments. So fungi's resilience to extreme conditions, such as radiation or salinity, makes these robots suitable for tasks in challenging environments. That seems fine. And sustainable robotics are calling this, which is what? Using biological materials reduces the ecological footprint associated with traditional robotic systems, minimizing waste and environmental disruption. Well, all that's fine and well. But what about the creepiest part that we've taken a mushroom, a mycelium network with the roots and all the stuff? And put it into these things, translated the electrical impulses and its steering robots. And even, maybe even going to be able to steer toward things that likes a particular light source or whatever, right? So in the old days, the mycelium network was just sort of underground, controlling the trees through the mycelium mind, kind of the quiet in the forest, kind of that, as we've always talked about in the past, the actual Gaia hypothesis or the morphic resonance, these resonant fields, this type of stuff that is part of the larger context of Earth itself in consciousness even, in the larger consciousness aspect. Because the last time we talked about the mycelium network, that was really what was chief among the conversation, was that, okay, so is the animal kingdom, the flora and the fauna, both sentient? And of course, you can easily make the case for animals and that's probably a foregone conclusion. But what about the trees? What about the shrubs? What about the mushrooms? What about, well, now they're driving cars. So, right, we got the self-driving cars from Elon and now we got mushrooms driving cars, at least this little robot car, and this is the science. But anyway, so what in the world do you see coming from this? Is this just some wild thing, or do you think that eventually we'll be able to communicate with this network? This network is basically going to be worldwide in some cases, and it brings up the question, again, of consciousness being primary or not. And are we getting this possibly from the mycelium network itself? Which again, not only Terence McKenna said through the stone-date theory is responsible for human consciousness in an evolutionary capacity. And second, that the shamanic journey has long been associated with an awakening process of becoming more in tune with nature itself. And of course, tuning into higher frequencies as humans, okay? Weird, right? How all this kind of comes together in just one space and now suddenly robots, but not just robots, mushrooms driving the robot cars. Is that too weird? I don't know, anyway. So that's what's on my mind tonight. There's some questions to get us going. This is incredibly weird. We'll get to the mycelial mind next. But there's a lot here, and it does, I gotta tell ya, it creeps me out just a little bit, just a little bit, but that's okay, right? We're allowed to be creeped out just a little bit, but that's a part of troubled minds anyway. So yeah, how many fungal zombie diseases? Yeah, who knows? Maybe they'll have to inoculate the robots before they put the fungus in them anyway. So we're gonna take a quick break, go to get a word from our sponsor. In this case, that's human inspiration. Don't go anywhere, more trouble minds coming up in exactly one minute. We'll be right back to talk about this mycelial mind and the other bizarre things as part of this really, really weird situation happening with robots, no, sorry, not robots, with fungi driving cars. Be right back, more trouble minds coming up in one minute, be right back. In a world increasingly shaped by AI, human inspiration remains the beating heart of creativity. 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There's a lot of things going on with the mycelium network including this something called the mycelium mind, okay? And we have talked about this in the past and at least in the periphery and we're gonna get to Stone Dape and the rest of that as well because all of this seems to come together in this weird space when we talk about non-human intelligence and recognize that usually when you hear that term people think aliens, people think, you know, all manner of things, maybe dimensional entities or who knows what's going on with that? I don't really know, okay? By the way, a good time for all the disclaimers. I don't really know anything, by the way. I'm just throwing out wild ideas and trying to put pieces together through intuition, okay? So if you're here for truth or in the wrong place, there's no truth to be found here. This is just a conversation about wild things on the cutting edge of science and of course and beyond because I'm not a scientist, but I am a dreamer. So let's see what happens when you combine the two. So that's that. All the disclaimers do apply. If you're here and you're super mad because everything I've said to this point is inaccurate during the wrong place. We're not doing science here. We're doing a dreaming and what comes next. Okay, so anyway, now back to this. The odd part about this mycelium mind is this. So it refers to the concept of fungal consciousness. As I just described it a little ways before we took the break there. So an intelligence exhibited by the mycelium, the thread like networks of fungal cells that form the main body of a fungus, yummy, right? Anybody like to eat fungus, mushrooms in particular? Here are some key points about the mycelial mind. So one, fungi can operate as individuals, make decisions, learn and have short-term memory. This is from recent research suggestions and they're still trying to get to the bottom of this 'cause it's pretty creepy. The sensitivity and responsiveness of fungal hyphae is seen as evidence of consciousness at the cellular level, okay? The plot thickens. When hyphae link into networks, this consciousness is elevated to the level of a multicellular organism, okay? Which gets even more strange when you think about how this fits together in the largest context. Which means that are we dealing with, as we always talk about on troubled minds being the dreamers and the philosophy people and looking into the past to sort of inform the future, that type of thing. Is it possible that this stuff is conscious? And it is part of a larger sentient entity that is Gaia, that is the Gaia hypothesis and maybe the beating heart of that theory itself. And a lot of modern science has kind of laughed at the idea. But now suddenly, we have mushrooms driving cars or at least little robot cars, okay? Which is incredibly strange. You get the point. But here's some other weird stuff about the actual mycelia network. So mycelia networks can't transfer nutrients, such as carbon, nitrogen and phosphorus between plants and trees. This isn't just passive, there's evidence suggesting that this network can act like a communication system where trees share resources with others, sometimes even favoring their kin. Which we talked about last time we had the mushrooms on our mind. This has led to the idea that forests might function as superorganisms. Oh, yeah. Now we're talking, right? So problem solving capabilities they're said to have as well. So a couple of things you may not know about the mycelia network, which makes this incredibly strange because it seems like sentience when you start to break down all this wild stuff. So the problem solving. So experiments have shown that mycelium can navigate mazes to find the shortest path to food, demonstrating a form of primitive intelligence or problem solving ability. This showcases an adaptive behavior where the fungus optimizes for nutrient acquisition. Seems sentient to me, right? Bioremediation. So mycelium has the ability to break down pollutants. Some species can degrade heavy metals, pesticides and even petroleum products. This makes them potential candidates for cleaning up environmental pollution. A process known as micro, wait, my core mediation. I think that's how it said. Big words. So some mycelia networks are among the largest and oldest living organisms on the planet. For instance, the Armelaria Ostoie, the honey mushroom in Oregon's Malher National Forest covers over 2,200 acres and is estimated to be between 2,000 and 8,000 years. Oh, okay, I'll bookmark there. Now, when you look at all this stuff, and again, not just this is what we've known historically in the past, you know, let's say 30 years, but also beyond that, beyond, of course, but then also the new science is like, okay, so can we take these mycelium and give them autonomy in some sense and allow them to move based on the robotics? And like I said, it does really bring to bear the idea of what a non-human intelligence actually is because what does it even mean? To be non-human intelligent? Well, I think this definitely qualifies in my opinion, but others might say differently or others might say not. And that's, yeah, that's creepy, isn't it? And then so suddenly we can take these things and turn it into robots and use them to power robots. And here's where this gets even more strange, all right? Think of it this way. If we can take the actual electrical impulses from mycelium and drive these robots around, have them move based on the stimuli they get from their environment and move toward things or away from things in this very intelligent space that they seem to represent, then what are we doing here? Like, what is going on? And how far have we missed when it comes to what consciousness actually is? And the next thing, of course, comes with non-human intelligence in my mind is if we can do that, can we start to decode that electrical impulse from their larger neural mycelium network and maybe communicate with these things? You see what I'm saying? Through the new AI systems. Another non-human intelligence, by the way, these new AI systems, the black box model, we've talked about that quite a lot in the past, but that's some exciting stuff coming up in the next, what, probably five or 10 years, because as you get these larger and larger data sets, specifically, this 2000 to 8,000-year-old mycelial network, was it Oregon yet? Oregon's Malher National Forest. Think about how probably, I don't know, ancient wisdom, how much ancient wisdom is embedded in the roots of these trees. I mean, strange, right? And this gets even more weird if we can start to decode those into something else, into possibly communication. Think, in the most primitive sense, dot, dot, dash, right? That whole bit of the original telegraph and Morse code and that type of thing. But imagine when we get these massive data sets from these old, old, old networks that are under the trees have been there for thousands of years, what kind of ancient knowledge they might have that might be decoded and might be able to be shared with us? Now, of course, the question is, do you think any of that is possible? It may not be. Who knows? However, however, if we're talking about non-human intelligence and not just the mycelia and the mycelia network and all the rest of it, we're also looking at decoding animals. And so the animal speech, right? That whole thing, right? We're looking at these larger data sets of whales singing to each other and dogs barking. And suddenly, I think it's gonna open up a ton more things when we start to be able to kind of narrow these down with these AI systems. And like I said, as you know me, I'm more probably positive on the AI stuff at this point. But of course, we haven't had a rogue AI escape yet that's wreaking havoc all over the globe. At least that we know of. At least that we know of. If you look at the last, I don't know, 10 years, things have certainly gone off the rails a little bit. So I wonder, I do wonder if maybe something like that is happening. But so the question becomes lots of questions tonight. Number one, does this freak out? Does it freak out that suddenly we might be able to, in some capacity, not just use these fungi. Yeah, everybody's a fungi, it's a fungi tonight. The fungi and the mycelium networks and turn them into drivers of cars or pilots of robots or you see. But then the second part of this is how weird does it get? When are we able to possibly communicate with these things in some context? Because, well, that would be next, wouldn't it? I have to be next, I see you, James. What's that, the spore drive from Star Trek? Yeah, yeah, I'll get into that as well. I didn't even think of that. But yeah, I hope you guys are doing well tonight. Just doing what we do and back to this. So here's the other part. We'll get to, when we come back from the break at the bottom of the hour, I'll talk about the actual Terrence McKenna stone deep theory. We did do a whole show on that in the past. So I won't spend too much time on it, just a little bit to revisit. But this is part of the deal that kind of fits into this whole bizarre context of everything regarding the mushrooms and the networks, and now suddenly this non-human intelligence in the AI systems, possibly being able to tap into that. But of course, we know that mushrooms, by and large, not all of them, but there are some with psychoactive properties. This has been known for a long time. But think of it this way. So certain mycelium and mushrooms produce psychoactive compounds, like a psilocybin, which you've talked about a lot, which have been used for centuries in various cultures for spiritual and therapeutic purposes. Recent research has been exploring these compounds for treatments in mental health like depression and PTSD. Okay, weird, right? So suddenly we not only have this shamanic journey of the human experience sort of meeting the divine through the psychoactive mushrooms, but then we also have, well, now they're gonna be driving cars, okay? Anyway, I digress a little bit there, but you get it. So there are other fungi that form symbiotic relationships with plant roots, where the mycelium provides the plant with minerals and water in exchange for sugars produced by photosynthesis. This relationship is ancient, believed to have helped plants colonize land over 400 million years ago. They'll think about that. Now, what kind of life do you think still exists from millions of years ago, and even hundreds of millions? Maybe nothing, right? But what if deep down in the very, very dark forest, hundreds of feet beneath our feet? See what I did there. Maybe a life exists that has more knowledge than we could ever dream of. The Earth itself is real, seem real, seem ridiculous. I have no idea. Yeah, what's up, a shout out to Joey's fiancee. What's up, Morgan? Here we go. A more trouble mind's coming out gonna take a quick break and get a word from our sponsor here, and we'll be right back. But look, actually no word from our sponsor. We've got a song coming up, but there's a lot of things happening with this. And as you know with me, I don't know the answers. What I do know is this might change everything. And how far does this technology get up? And that's exactly the point. What do you know about it? Does this freak out that we have my silly network, mushrooms, driving cars, and operating robots? Or is this just some weird thing that'll come and go as part of a, well, I don't know, will it be memory hold? That's my question, 702-957-1037. Click the disc room like a trouble mind's done. 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I'm your host, Michael Strange. We're streaming on YouTube, Rockfin, Rumble, Twitter, and Twitch, and Kick, and D-Live, and broadcasting live on the Troubled Minds radio network that's KUAP digital broadcasting. It may be just maybe 88.4 FM in Auckland, New Zealand. What's up, guys? Tonight, we're talking fungal frequencies from stone to apes to sentient spores. And it's really very simple, and really very not. Is it possible that technology in nature could merge in ways that blur the lines between organic life and machinery? Could something that's ancient as a mushroom really become the key to unlocking new realms of understanding linking the digital with the spiritual? And that's what's on my mind tonight. Just a little bit of normal weirdness of Troubled Mindstyle. And yeah, so if you missed the first part, we're basically talking about this fungus controlling a robot. I'll put the video back up and watch this thing drive back and forth. But we're told that the actual mycelium of this particular mushroom is driving this car. Yeah, this little robot car that they built for it. You know, it's just four wheels on a platform and the mushrooms inside. But not only that, they have another one that had like five appendages or legs, and it was able to manipulate those as well. Now, the weird part is it's, of course, just taking biochemical electrical signals and translating them to, I don't know, maybe direction? Is it true? This might be sentient in some way. And I guess the next level would be to test this and give it sort of different lights, ultraviolet light, give it direct sunlight, give it some different things and watch how it actually detects. And maybe tries to move toward these types of things. Maybe they're working on that now, I don't know. That's where my mind would go. And that's how you would test if it was sentient at all. And maybe it's just, you know, the random flashes of a non-sentient mind, but maybe not, maybe not. And that's the weird part of this. I'd love to hear your thoughts. And if you want to be part of the show tonight, we are taking your calls, of course. As we always do, 702-957-1037, you can click the Discord link at troubleminds.org. We'll put you on the show. It's as easy as that, talk in mycelium networks tonight and the weirdness of a non-human intelligence, fungal frequencies and all the rest. Let's go to James in Michigan. What's up, my man? You're on troubleminds. Are you tonight's? And go right ahead. - I'm okay, hope you can hear me right. - Yep, loud and clear, you sound great. - Good. Yeah, the first thing, we can get into it later, but the first thing that I thought of when you started talking about this is, of course, Star Trek, because how often does so much of this come back to Star Trek, it seems like these days. And yeah, I don't know, it's just really wild that I sort of don't like, and I guess it doesn't really matter what I like or I don't like in that way. But I don't like that they're doing this with living beings and connecting them to machines and doing experiments with them. It sounds somewhat familiar, in a way, to the history of science, in a way, a lot of ways there. But beyond that, I just wonder, I mean, if this gets, I think the biggest thing for me about this is just what you were describing there, the communication. To me, that's the more interesting aspect of all this. Not so much having them do things with certain mechanical motions, but the communication aspect is more interesting to me than anything else. And I wonder what we'll find out if we ever get to that point where that does happen easily. - Yeah, well, which is the weird part of this, is that we've talked about this as collective dreamers here on troubled minds with what this may look like in the future. Of course, us trying to peer over the horizon, look around corners, as we always say this type of thing, see around corners. In this particular sense, it's something we talked about years ago. And it's not just us, again, Terence McKenna, with that the actual stone deep theory, which we did a whole show on one night. This is probably a couple of years back. But wildly, he thinks that the mushroom, the psychoactive ones are basically responsible for humans achieving the consciousness that we have today, which means sort of an enlightened consciousness in terms of that shamanic journey. And the stone deep theory, I'll fill it, like I said, I'll fill you in with that as we go, but it is a little bit complicated. But also, it's considered pseudoscience in a lot of ways when you look at the scientific frameworks and things like this, but just because you know me, I love the wild ideas and the possibilities that they might be real. And who really knows? Could this actually lend some credence to those ideas if you start to get the sentience here of the actual mushroom kingdom? And by the way, James, I'm with you when it comes to giving these things legs and arms and wheels and cars and things. Shouldn't we maybe try and communicate first or something? I don't know, it seems like it's the cart before the horse, so the robot before the sentience or something, right? It does seem like this is a little bit out of a sequence. Yeah, definitely, that's the first place I go. Of course, I guess it would depend on, you know, what the scientific community in general thinks about them anyway, before they even, if they don't think that, and I don't know for sure how, you know, how widespread this is, but if they don't think that there's an sentience, then I guess that would explain why they would just go to this. Unless they're using this to test the idea, I could see that as well as being one of the reasons for these experiments. I just, again, if I had the control, I guess I'd go about it in a different way, in a less invasive way than removing them from their environment and then attaching them to things that they've never been attached to before, as far as I know, and having them move around laboratories. But yeah, and the first thing that's brought to mind was this connection to Star Trek. And I don't know exactly how it works, and of course it's fiction, but isn't it ironic how often we have these things that happen in science now that they've been talked about in one way or another in fiction before. - Yeah, almost as if this stuff has been known in some capacity for a very long time, at least intuitively, and we're now sort of discovering actual aspects of this that might lead us into the truth of the ancient ways. Whatever that means, and again, maybe not. But the sport drive, let me read this, I don't know if you've got a chance to read this, but I'll read it directly so everybody can hear this. So this is from Star Trek, which James is talking about. So not just science fiction, sort of with the intuition of the past, and creating these stories, now we're starting to say things like this. The sport drive, again, fiction from Star Trek, as he said, the sport drive is a common turn for a displacement activated sport hub drive. An organic propulsion system which utilizes the mycelium spores of a particular mushroom, which I can't pronounce it as a proto-taxites, still a vietori, probably, or not, something close to that. It allowed a vessel to instantaneously jump to any point in the universe. Both the Federation and the Klingons covertly use this technology during Burnham's war to gain an advantage over the other side. The technology was no longer in use by the 2260s, and in the 25th century, the Ilocki make limited, but technologically advanced use of sport drives on some of their ships due to their origin of the mycelial network. And again, Star Trek, it is fiction, as James said, but it is odd that this has been an idea, not just, let's say, with Star Trek, but going back to the old ways, and of course, the sentient aspect of the fungal kingdom. And oddly enough, like I said, there's the weird sort of circular version of this that one guy, Terence McKenna, claims that this brought in our modern sentience in an evolutionary capacity, as I said. But then also, it has been known, the mushrooms, the psilocybin, and these other psychoactive substances have been known as basically the shamanic journey for basically forever. And there's different ways to look at it in different substances and whatnot, but clearly one of the main ones has been that psilocybin mushroom. But yeah, go ahead, James, on the sport driver, anything else, what else you got, go ahead, sir. - Well, it's just makes me think of how it was used to map out all the possible, and I'm just, I'm vaguely remembering this from when I watched that first season of the show that it came from, which is, of course, discovery, that Star Trek, discovery for anyone that wants to go check it out. This was a living technology, or a living sort of a living, almost like a being in another dimension in Star Trek anyway, that was tapped into and used to really just about teleport in a lot of ways from one place to another. And I just wondered with how little we know about things that people will call paranormal in terms of energy and how that works and how it transfers and moves and all of that, how much energy is there within these, all these plants and fungi and everything that we haven't even discovered yet that maybe there's something more to it along those lines. - Yeah, yeah, which all of this, again, it is so cyclical to me that it makes sense that this is all those things we've discussed in the past as well, that the Gaia hypothesis and Earth is a living organism and these ancient entities that are buried beneath our feet for hundreds of meters, maybe. I mean, who knows how big these things are? 'Cause I think by our estimates, we can guess, but imagine if they're quite a bit larger than we ever dreamed. And of course, that would mean in some capacity, they're communicating over thousands and thousands of miles with each other, meaning possibly a whole continent is a sort of a super organism. And that's the type of stuff that makes me go wait a minute now, how strange does this get? And of course, science fiction, of course, and then back to all the stuff we're talking about tonight, it is strange to me that I'll get to Stone Dape in a minute here, but how all this kind of goes back to consciousness and what we know is non-human intelligence and what it fits like now and in the future. Pretty wild stuff, go ahead, James, what you got? - Yeah, just the other thing, oh, I was correct there for a second, I have no idea why. Anyway, this makes me think of, it's funny enough, I was just listening to Star Trek and Next Generation last night. As you know, I talked to you a little bit in chat about that. One of the episodes was about proving that the Android data from that series was a sentient being and it was not property, he was not property, of course Starfleet, which is the major organization that runs everything in Star Trek. And it just made me think about how the scientists in that show was talking about how amazing it would be if they could take data apart and then replicate him or it, depending on your point of view, and make an army of them, a whole fleet of them, a whole, just the point that the show made was a whole species or race of them. And so I watched that show, listened to that show last night and then here we have these experiments on this living being and I just wonder how far is humanity going to push that? And it kind of, it gave me chills when you started talking about it because of that connection there. - Yeah, that's right. James mentioned that to me a couple of days ago, the whole data thing. I didn't recognize it was in a larger context, I'm trying to build an entire race of data is out of it. It's like the opposite of the ship of Theseus. You guys remember that thought experiment of the old ship? After all its journeys that they'd replaced every plank, every piece of wood on the thing. At the end of it, is it still the same ship? I guess in this sense, it's inverting that idea and saying if we take all the data's parts and then replicate them and create an army, well, we have an army of data. So civilization of data's. And I think I would say of course not because you don't have the lived experience of the parts. The parts are greater than the sum of the whole and I think that's definitely something that we should consider as part of this and us being citizens of the earth as part of the larger context of what consciousness might mean of non-human intelligence 'cause data's a great way to put it as well if you guys know Star Trek the next generation. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know wild stuff. And so what else you got James? I got tons of stuff to get to. Like I said, I want to get to that stone date but what you got, go ahead, sir. - Yeah, just a couple more things. That was the whole point of why data in that show objected to this whole experiment because exactly what you said, he had memories. He had context to all of his information that the scientist said he could copy. And we talked about that idea of, okay, what if we try to put people's minds into machines? Would that work or not? And we had that discussion before but the point was in the show that if data was taken apart, he would not be the same anymore. He would have the data, the actual, which is funny, the information that you could then put in any number of machines and make an entire Starfleet out of them and send them out instead of people into dangerous situations. But it wouldn't be the same as what data is, the Android data is at that point. So yeah, I think that's basically all I have but just applying that to this, these, I think it kind of other organisms including fungi, mushrooms or similar beings. It just, it makes me wonder, you know, how far is humanity going to go with that as a species? And a lot of amazing potentially but also terrifying possibilities there. And that's all I have for now but I'll stick around and talk with you later if there's time. - I don't appreciate that. You know him, you love him. James Salcido, not just a dear friend but the paranormal expert of troubled minds. He's here on the network with us. He's got his own podcast, written his own books. Please go check all that stuff out. He just released a book called Salcido Paranormal Experiences. Please go check that out. Links could be in the description down below, troubledminds.org/friends. It says follow James here. Or of course, just search that yourself. It's S-A-L-S-I-D-O space paranormal and add experiences on the end. You'll find his book on Amazon. You can order it tonight, probably get it tomorrow. That's how fast they are. 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So okay, so regarding that, so I was thinking about this as James was telling the story about data and sort of disassembling an android and then creating from the parts, the exact parts, a species of data. It clearly wouldn't work because there is something to the lived experience of a thing. Even an inorganic thing, I would guess, which would be, what is it called? It's a buh, buh, buh, buh. Everything has some sort of sentience to it. Panpsychism is the term. And so think of it this way. We've found that if you have a, let's say a transplant of a human organ, let's say a heart transplant or what a kidney or something like this, that it seems like there are experiences and even memories that come with this transplant. And it is a known actual scientific thing that is baffling because it's just a kidney, right? It's just a heart, right? I mean, it seems silly to say it like that, but when you think of it in the context of sort of the lived experience and kind of, I don't know, how would you say like absorbing reality for X amount of years within the same system, you're gonna develop memories of that system. I mean, right, does it make sense? It makes some sense to me, but if that's the case, and even in the sense of panpsychism, and you can't just create the parts that create data and make a million datas, the Android for that reason, because in the panpsychism sense, everything has its own sort of consciousness, a rock, even its own frequency, resonance. And it does communicate in some way, again, philosophically, back to the universe. And so taking just the parts because they seem to be the parts and creating things actually was one of the things that came to life with the Tesla cars. We talked about that recently as well. With Elon Musk talking about this, we did a whole show on it, it wasn't killer cars, but it was something like that. It was kind of termed something like that or sentient cars. He was saying that they're all sort of having their own personalities in some capacity, these self-driving entities. Because, and so the question is, is it because of the AI systems? Is it because they are built of different parts and sort of their different lived experiences through this panpsychism effect? Look, I don't know. And some people, of course, are just turning their nose up and going, oh, whatever, Mike, really? Yeah, maybe, I mean, maybe not. But also, why not? Why not? If we're talking about actual non-sentient, or let's say non-human intelligence, in terms of a self-driving car, why would they have their own personalities if they all had the same parts? You get it? There's a whole lot happening here. And of course, we don't have the actual specific, mycelium network driving Tesla cars, not yet. But imagine, imagine, if one day this turns into the larger, the larger weirdness of this. Okay, now let me get to, hang tight, Kelly, we're gonna get to Kelly at the top of the hour, you got as much time as you need. Let me read you this real fast. So this is the stoned ape business, because this is important as part of this, because I think that we have a situation happening where we have all this stuff kind of coming full circle in this moment, in this scientific moment where these mushrooms are driving little robot cars they built for them. So Terrence McKenna came up with this idea, the stoned ape theory. Say, of course, controversial hypothesis proposed by Ethno botanist, Terrence McKenna, as I said, in his 1992 book, Food of the Gods. McKenna suggested that the consumption of psilocybin mushrooms, particularly psilocyb cubensis, I think is how you say it, played a crucial role in the cognitive evolution of early humans, specifically during the transition from Homo erectus to Homo sapiens around 100,000 years ago. He argued that these mushrooms acted as an evolutionary catalyst, enhancing cognitive functions such as visual acuity, social bonding, and the development of language and culture. If you guys haven't used perplexity, by the way, it's a fantastic AI search engine and sums this stuff up incredibly well. That's where I'm getting this stuff from. But anyway, a few key points on this. So, McKenna theorized that as humans followed cattle herds into shrinking tropical forests, of course, for climate change, actual climate change, they would have encountered psilocybin mushrooms growing in cow dung leading to their consumption. 'Cause why not, right? We picked the mushrooms out of the cow dung, which is the funniest part of this to me. 'Cause, you know, I'm telling you, if I'm hungry and I'm looking for something, I'm not gonna look in a pile of cow dung, but anyway, I digress. But he claimed that psilocybin could improve various cognitive abilities, including hunting skills and social interactions, which would contribute to reproductive success and cultural development. This guy's enlightened, he knows what's up, 'cause he's picking the mushrooms off the turds, right? And of course, I'm only joking, but only have joking. But McKenna posited that the use of psychedelics was integral to the emergence of religion, art, and philosophy, suggesting that these substances facilitated profound shifts in human consciousness. And that is the stone dape theory. There's more to it, of course, we'll read some other things. Actually, recent perspectives, this is important. So despite skepticism, some recent discussions have revisited the idea of psychedelics playing a role in human evolution, particularly in light of emerging research on the neuropsychological effects of psychedelics like ayahuasca and the potential use to enhance cognitive functioning. However, these discussions often highlight the need for rigorous scientific validation of any claims like psychedelics to evolutionary advantages. But here's the thing, the way that, as far as I understand it, the way that science works and they're looking at using this stuff as treatment for PTSD, treatment for depression, treatment for other things with these psychoactive mushrooms, okay? But because they say it sort of is like a rewire. It's sort of like a reset of the brain. And some of the old, let's say, traumatic experiences of the past can maybe be remapped and your brain sort of refocuses itself on what it needs for today, not what happened 20 years ago or something to that effect, sort of like a reset button. And then you're able to sort of rewire for tomorrow and today and kind of just burn off the old ideas and the synapse is always wanting to go back to the traumatic experiences. And so like an actual reset button for the brain in terms of, yeah, PTSD, depression, all kinds of other things. But of course, you guys know why, right? You guys know why this is not happening. Of course, it's big pharma. That's why this stuff is not happening because we'd rather treat it with the SSRIs or some of these other things that are basically going to be lifetime situations or long-term actual fixes for these depression, PTSD, this stuff, right? But if you actually had something that would kind of snap you out of it and let's say a couple, three, four sort of doses of this and whatever else, you know, the shadow work that goes along with it and I just say that halfway tongue and cheek, whatever actual stuff scientifically goes along with it as well, that, well, they wouldn't be able to sell you this stuff forever, would they? They wouldn't be able to sell you depression meds for years and years and years on end. And so you get it. There's a lot of that happening right now with the FDA and Cali Means, if you guys saw him on TwitterX and he's been everywhere. He's now supposedly, he was on Tucker Carlson. He's supposedly feeding Trump information on the FDA. Lots of things happening here. And the weird part is that all of this stuff, like I said, it is, it goes back to these entrenched systems that are basically in bed with these larger entities, the FDA and the big food, you know, Kelloggs and all this stuff. Like go and do a, again, you guys know, you're not aliens, you're from this Earth. So if I tell you this, you're gonna know exactly what I mean. You've seen it a thousand times. You go to the grocery store and you look at the cereal aisle and like 85% of it is just sugary nonsense. Okay, it's got the, the, the chocula on the box or the, the fruity loops or the, whatever it is, right? Whatever the hell's going on with that stuff. Because they're, they're marketing sugar to children. That's what they're doing. And why, why do you think? Think about it long term. Yeah. So they get them sick. And so when they get them sick, big pharma steps in. Here's your app. That's all I think today, by the way. Talking about giving kids, what's this stuff? Statins. Like start, start kids on statins when they're 15. And there will be less heart attacks across the board and through their life. What? You got to be kidding me. Like this is the type of stuff that we get from these large organizations. I completely digress and we won't get back to this unless you guys want to talk about it directly. But there is a basis here for curing people of things that seems to be prevalent now in the new studies of psilocybin mushrooms and psychoactive things that in the old ways used to be ridiculous. And you know, you were, you were a drug hit if you tried it and a burnout or whatever they want to call you. But then, but then suddenly all this seems to change. And we'll see what happens if the FDA actually approved this stuff or not. I don't know. Of course, it's complicated. But anyway, I digress on that. I just wanted to point it out because it's important. You guys know it. I know it. But how do we fix it is really the problem. But we're talking fungal frequencies tonight from stone dates to sentient spores. And do you think that this actual, let's say, mycelial network, the mushroom kingdom, has been sentient forever. And we're finally just catching up to them. How weird would that be? 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Thanks for being patient, my man. You are on Trouble Minds. How are you, sir? And go right ahead. Good evening, Michael. Can you hear me? Yeah, loud and clear. You sound great, man. All right. Oh, yeah, this is a good one. Like with the-- for me, this is a prime example of what nature or-- well, let's put it that way. Like, nature can overcome or even-- is a better thing than any kind of mechanism or computerized or anything like that that they want to create. Yes, it's nice and, you know, that type of stuff can help humanity in, you know, in certain aspects. But there's nothing like, you know, bio-life, you know what I'm saying? Like, for example, like you guys are talking about that, you know, but you also have-- they're finding, like, they can make batteries out of hemp, right, in another plant. And the thing about it is it doesn't-- it has a longer shelf life, right? It charges faster and has a longer distance. But you're going to use this-- if you use the type of batteries, let's say, like, if you put it in for vehicles and stuff, right? It's a lot safer. It doesn't explode. It doesn't, you know, it doesn't have all those properties, like, you know, like the stuff you're pulling lithium batteries and stuff like that. You know, the stuff's dangerous. Now with molds, like, I posted a link on the Discord, too, but with molds, besides the hemp batteries that, you know, these scientists are making, again, from a plant, you know? And but molds, there's another thing that Japan was starting to do. They were using this mold. To-- first, they were building, like, they made this maze that looked like the shape of their city. And they wanted to make rail systems throughout the cities that were, you know, the best way without having, you know, without any-- with a traffic flow and stuff, without having any delays or, you know, traffic problems. So they let this mold grow, and this mold-- that's actually how they're planning their city. Their city transportation now is to do the mapping of how the mold can, you know, go around obstacles, through obstacles, you know, in the most efficient way. And so now, Japan, and that's how they're, you know, planning their city plans and stuff like that. We also now know that human DNA can store more information than any kind of computer system, you know, that we have made-- any-- up to date now, right? So now they're making-- they're supposedly-- that the government has-- or the military has made a computer system that has, you know, the capability of storing systems like that, like information on DNA, but more like a living computer, but using, you know, DNA storage. And of course, the mushrooms, yeah, you know what I mean? To me, the way I look at it almost, like with this-- that also had been right, the way this plant, right? And then it helps like the root system retreats, you know what I mean? It helps navigate-- it's like almost the beginning of the root system, right? It helps navigate that's what the root systems will follow through, like what's just chasing the mold because the mold is finding ways for the root system to grow and, you know, the plant life to grow further and longer. Yeah, what's interesting is even if it means going through a rock, you know, you see like a tree that's penetrating through a rock, you know, that's the only way it's going to, and yet it still does, you know what I mean? Because they could find a crack or even a seam, even the smallest things, right? And that's where you see that, you know what I'm saying? So for me, I don't know why people want to even think about transhumanism or biomechanical, anything like that because if you think about it, anything that's mechanical, right, there's an end date to it, right? Anything has, but mechanical-wise, even if you have something, there's constantly information growing and new-- possibly new technologies going. So anything that you build, it's already obsolete, right? Because you're going to need updates, you're going to need upgrades, you know what I mean? Everything's going to need all that stuff, or, you know, we suppose we even better, just like your phones, you know, your cell phones now, they're telling you that it can't handle the type of upgrades it's got. So they, why, you know, I don't know if that, you know, a way to sell more cell phones or whatnot, but, you know, that's the case that, you know, some of these stuff can't handle, you know, just can't handle the new upgrades or, you know, the software can't-- it can't handle it. It just, you know, you need to always upgrade stuff, so I don't know why, for me, anyway, in my opinion, that's-- it just don't make no sense. But like, I kind of like that stone, a theory, but for me, I have two things about that. Like, if, you know, I have to also take emotions, right? And I, you know, I partake in that. It opens up your mind on a very, on a whole different level, right? I could see that you could, you know, because there was times when I took it, and I mean, I felt like I knew all the-- all the knowledge that there was, you know, and just like, it was just blowing through me, you know? Like, it was like, I just kept saying, "I know." And I was like, "You know what? I know everything." But it's just the feeling of like that, but, you know, the euphorism and your-- all your feelings are all, you know, spread out, you know, you're-- it's like, it's just like, just like any, like, even mushroom for a tree, like a plant, right? But it's like a key, it's what it is. It's the key to unlock knowledge or reset button, like, people with, like, drugs or stuff like that, you know, could help in certain ways like that. And you were talking about earlier. But for me, I don't know if you could be where it'd be in advance to like, you know, to make an ape smarter, you know what I mean? I could see that, you know, because they have, you know, they have seen an-- and different animals do, you know, be one with nature, you know, like it was a baby that was sick and elephant, I mean, a gorilla baby that was sick and the mother came back with a plant, you know, and hadn't made the baby eat it. And so it helped, you know, they claim that that was the first time they seen something like that. But it's like with, you know, like, the shamans of, you know, like in the jungles and stuff or the shamans of old, you know, they were talking with, you know, they had-- we have the ability to talk with, communicate with nature and stuff like that, tell us, you know, you mix this with this and this, you know, there's got to be something that's out there that's communication with this, that's, you know, showing people like, you know, and animals what, you know, to eat and what not to eat, you know what I mean? So, you know, that type of knowledge because you have like, also, the reason why I say that, you know, I don't know if it's getting advanced, you know, your brain capacity for knowledge like that because, you know, you have other animals that do like, for instance, different apes or different monkeys, they, you know, eat this fermented fruit and they know that they get drunk when they eat it, you know, so they partake in it once in a while, but it's not like they're always down, they're looking for, you know, something like that, or eating mushrooms for, you know, eating constant knowledge, or you have like dolphins, you know, that, you know, that they, they play with around with puffer fish, you know, they, the puffer fish squeezes out this poison or they, you know, the dolphin get eye off of it, but you don't see, you know, like, people that are evolved from dolphins, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I follow you. So, so the thing is too, it wasn't necessarily, I think that everybody was eating them. I think that the ones that were, again, from the theory here, is that they were more socially enlightened and even, you know, more sexually attractive. And so it started this sort of breeding cycle of, you know, kind of going after the shaman, the more interesting thinkers and the, because of course they are more open-minded, as you described, to a lot of different things. And they, they can sort of see the world more clear, in a more clear, clear fashion, which makes them more sociable, more attractive as part of it. Just to add to what you were saying there, I was just reading that a little bit ago. And that's the only reason I know, because I just read it. But that's, it's an incredible thing. All of this, as you know me, look, I don't claim to know anything. It's nice to have information in your fingertips. But yeah, so, so as part of it though, I want to point this out, and I know you know this. This is from BigThink.com. They say that the human brain doubled in power very suddenly 200,000 years ago. And one of those theories is the stone deep theory of Terence McKenna. And, you know, ancient astronaut theorists say, yes, there's a theory there as well. Clearly everybody has a theory on this. And that's okay. You know me, and I like the theories. But what does it look like? Well, I don't know what's your theory, or what's your take on why the human mind suddenly doubled 200,000 years ago? I don't know, like, okay. Well, that one's going down a different, different rabbit hole for me. You know, for me, when I look at it, it gets the, you know, like I say, the stone, stone eight theory. It's a very nice theory, you know what I mean? Because, like I said, I have partaking in mushrooms. And it's, you know, it's very enlightening. I'm telling you that right now. I'm not saying for people to do it, but, you know what I mean? Because people call drugs whatever, you know what I mean? But these type of things are not drug use. To me, they're what I call them is medicines, right? Because if you're using correctly that they're, you know, they're going to help people out with different situations, just like Hayawaka, or, you know, like, there's another one too. It's kind of like a green powder too. My brother went down and, you know, he had some life issues that he had to take care of, you know, mentally. And he went down to TJ, and they, you know, they gave him some stuff like that. And they were, you know, they were took care of him. He was supposed to stay there for like two weeks, or even two, you know. But I think he only stayed there for weeks, him and his wife and then, you know, because they came up and visited me and told me about it. But most type of, I see, and that's what I'm saying. I don't like to use the word drugs, because, you know, that put a dirty word on it almost. Because, you know, those things are type of medicines. Again, you know, that they help people in different ways. Just like with marijuana, you know, marijuana doesn't. You know, that was probably the worst of rap you can get on anything. I mean, now they're finding out that, you know, this type of stuff from mushrooms helps to reset the brain and everything for depressions. And, you know, people with PSD, military and stuff like that, all that stuff, you know, I mean, it's always a scare tactic to, you know, with these drug companies, because they want to, you know, they're trying to make money after everything else. So people need to really understand that the true drugs and nature are the plants or themselves. That's the original drugs, if you want to call them drugs. But it's, you know, that's the true medicine. Yeah, it's like the ancient medicine. Yeah, yeah, exactly, right. Just all the disclaimers apply, by the way, kids out there don't do drugs. We're not encouraging anybody to do this. And if you're actually, yeah, yeah. I just want to make sure that we throw it out there, because, you know, we get a lot of people listening. So don't do those things again, and you define things as you will. But if you do need help with, again, PTSD, depression, this type of stuff, there is help. Again, troubleminds.org/help. If you're struggling with something, of course, call those numbers immediately. Somebody just told me recently, by the way, they thanked me for having that up, because they went to the site and they actually made a phone call, because they were feeling not the best and had some pretty terrible thoughts. So just don't forget that, though, there's always somebody out there willing to listen. And if you are into these ideas, there are places. I don't know, I haven't done the research on this, but there are places that administer this type of stuff clinically. And so you don't just have to go to some shady dealer on a corner and buy who knows what. So I don't encourage that. Don't do drugs, kids. Just there's the, all the disclaimers apply regarding that. But go ahead, what else you got? Well, on Jisseria, I remember the stuff that my brother went down to TJ and took, you know, for his mental problems or issues he was having was. It was, I would call the eyeball game, you know. It's the same type stuff, kind of like with the high wasca. But like I said, it's a different type of, it's more of a powder than they drink. He told me about all about it, but I know it's supposed to, that type of stuff, though, was actually for people that have, like our heavy users of drugs, like the heavy drugs, like heroin, and stuff like that. But the exclamation that he gave was that the game was like, it's supposed to take you back to that same, you know, that original first point where all that problems or issues go to, like the darkest point and then bring you back to the light, you know, I mean, back to who you originally were. It's like the total reset button. But other than that, yeah, I mean, I just want to put out that, yeah, like, I mean, nature, I mean, look at everything. You know, I'm a whole, me and Michelle, we were all holistic, so everything, we take a lot of different holistic side medicines. I wouldn't say medicines, just foods and drinks and stuff like that. So we, you know, plus we're not getting any younger. You mean, you want to take care of your body in the most, you know, appropriate way you can. So that's how we live, we live holistically. So, but yeah, I'm just going back to that type stuff, you know, the whole thing with, for me, like the question you asked me, like, what do I think about, like, how to bring? I mean, of course, for me, it's the ancient astronaut theory, you know, that where something happened. I mean, even science can't. I mean, there's things that we're finding now now in the human body that they can't, you know, they can't explain everybody's saying, trying to find the missing link. They're not going to find that. You know, I mean, there was a jump start somewhere. I mean, it was either, you know, if we go through evolution, you're going to see tour, like, yeah, you know, where we find, like, ancient humans, right? Almost kind of hat-like, or like, just knuckle-draggers. But then somewhere, out of nowhere, we started building civilizations, farming, doing some incredible stuff. And I'm not talking just, like, in a certain time. You know, we're talking, like, leaps and bounds. You know, for one example, like, you know, from 100 years, we were from horse and buggy for, horse and buggy for what? Thousands of years? And we went from horse and buggy to landing, supposedly landing on the moon, rocketry and all this stuff. I mean, in less than 100 years. So something, something like that, you know, throughout history and then, you know, you look at, like, for example, the, you know, the ancient astronaut theory for me, there was something else that helped that happened, you know what I mean? It can't be just, like I said, I mean, that's why I brought up the, you know, the whole drug thing, or, you know, 'cause animals, you know, they find some stuff that, you know, that's gonna change their, you know, their thoughts. You know, I mean, like I said, dolphins and puffer fish, you know, you could see the, like, the stone, eight-dairy mushrooms. I mean, yeah, but I can see that. I mean, I can actually see that, you know, they would help, you know, within lighten their mind. But who knows what the animal would be thinking. I mean, I wouldn't say that he's, you know, thinking of doing something else. I mean, it depends on what the animal's doing. So, but, you know, still out there, and it's a very awesome theory to think about. But, I mean, there's many different things where, you know, the human species, I wouldn't say human man, man and woman, because you don't want to use that word. That's the whole different thing. We're working, though, towards and stuff. - It's 2024, it's 2024, we all count. We all count, sorry. - Yeah, but, yeah, just referring yourself, you know, I mean, because I'm kind of talking about the black flaw. If you look at the word human, in black-flawed dictionary, that actually means monster. If you go to monster, it means something like a creature that, you know, that there's no way it can like own land or property or stuff like that. It's a crazy thing, man, but I'm going to be ordering that pretty soon, too. But again, like I said, that's a different story. - That's all I got for tonight, man. - Okay, hang tight, hang tight. I got a question for you, too. I got a question for you. If you can hang on for just a few more minutes here. You good? Okay, so the question I have for you then, so if we're taking these fungal frequencies, and they're now driving cars sort of with, you know, the electricity that's coming out of their own mycelium networks, again, these things go back thousands and thousands of years, and there are some that are even thousands of years old currently, and they go back millions of years. What I think OG Skywatch said somewhere in the range of millions of years, well, humans have been around for, you know, 300,000 as far as we're aware, modern humans and that capacity ish, right? But what do you think about the consciousness aspect of these mycelium networks? Do you think it is like more deeply a natural consciousness, sort of that primordial nature spirit that is one of my favorite theories regarding this type of stuff? Do you think that's real? Like, how deep does that go? And do you think we'll ever be able to communicate with it directly? That's the wild part to me. You know, I do think it's real, you know, like I was saying earlier, I believe it's like the beginning of root systems, you know what I mean? Because if you look at roots, you know, if you ever grew up planting, you know, like close the glass, you could see the root is white. It looks like a soft, bungee thing, and it's slowly in at the tip. It's just like, it's just, you know, I mean, that's life. And I'm pretty sure that's how everything, you know, that's how they say like, you know, the other theory of like life came on an asteroid, you know, and it produced and spread and stuff like that. I mean, on a biological scale like that, you know what I mean? Life creation, you know what I mean? The second human species, a cell, the splits in division of cells, you know what I mean? So yeah, I do believe that, you know what I'm saying? But what was the second question you asked? So, okay, so you do believe that there is some sort of consciousness in these mycelium networks that are thousands of years old. The second part of that was, do you think we'll ever be able to communicate with them through some of our own systems, AI systems or some of this, you know, electrical exchange? What does that look like? You think that's ever going to be possible or you think that's just way too far out right now? Well, like I said, I was kind of like I was getting to earlier was, I kind of mentioned it briefly was just how people, you know, I'm pretty sure we can communicate. I mean, animals do it all the time, you know what I'm saying? So that type of stuff, the communication between us and nature and humans have been doing that. We just lost in touch, you know, that's where again, you know, we kind of talked about this other shows were, for me, I believe it's just like the whole thing of, you know, we're species with amnesia and not just talking about like our history, but like everything within the nature because we are an animal of this planet, right? So I'm pretty sure, I mean, it's not like, you know, if people live in nature, right, enforce and stuff like that, and in like jungles, right, they know, they're listening and they're communicating with nature all the time. You know, people want to call that, you know, third world or other, I mean, they've been like, you know, cities and polluted stuff like that. It might be, you know, some of that, like I said, some advancements are good, but not all of them are good. You know what I mean? They might be hurting you in the background, like for instance, with all this cell phone technology, we're being bombarded with all kinds of radio technology, you know what I mean? We're just, it's just not, we're not good, it's not good for the human body. But as for the human, like the human species, speaking with nature in itself, yeah, like we were very footed all the time, always with, you know, we're grounded all the time, right, speaking with the birds. If you listen to them, it's not really, I mean, yes, it's communication because if you see birds fly away or stop when they're singing, something's near, something that's, you know, or even they fly off, something scared them, right? Or even with the bees, the humming of the bees, they're saying the noise from the bees, right? You know, like beekeepers are probably the better, it got more better health because of the vibration, you know, that the bees are coming off the wings and stuff. I mean, nature, like I said, we, I mean, I always believe this, that we, we seem to need to get back, you know, I mean, just like with my native side, you know, we're just, we just lost touch with the source is what we have, you know what I mean? We're, we're, everybody's like, it's like insulation away from everything, you know, and it's, it's kind of interesting too, it's even like with the clothes we wear, you know, I mean, the more we move away from like camp or cotton or stuff like that, you know, it's all these, these fabrics say, you know, that's going to be, it just blocks you away from everything, you know, I mean, so yet, communication, you believe that, man, and that we can and we should actually get touched back with that stuff. Yeah, 100%. The more we move away from like cotton and hemp and clothing and that type of stuff, the more we get micro plastics in our balls, it's not good. It's not good. You're the best guy. Thanks for, thanks for staying up with us. And thanks for humoring me for another few minutes there. You were the best. You were the best. I appreciate you very much. Tell me, shall we said hi? And always a pleasure. We have a great night, brother. All right. Hey, one more thing, though. I mean, sure. Inside the hemp and cotton, you know, sure. Whatnot. I don't know if people realize that, but linen is want to put this out. Linen is one of the best things you can have. I mean, that's why they used to have linen in hospitals and stuff because it helps fight diseases. But if you can't afford linen, I suggest that, you know, like with your feet and stuff, but I look at some of those presses on that. And that's the thing about it. Like, you know, that it's good for it because stuff is expensive. It's all good out there. So, yeah, that's something else I want to put out there. But you guys have a good evening. And good show tonight, Mike. Thank you, Crinkle. You were the best. Appreciate it very much. Take care. We'll talk to you soon. Kelly in Colorado. You know, I love them. Good friend for a long time. The first actual repeat call we had, he's been a good friend for years and years and years. And as I said, I was lucky enough to meet him and his wife, Michelle, when they're here in Vegas and they're fantastic people. As smart as you can. As you see here, smart in real life, all the rest of it, just very kind people. And we're building a nice network here ourselves, aren't we, with a bunch of really amazing kind and smart folks. And that's exactly what this is all about. Appreciate to call my man. Tonight, we're talking fungal frequencies. I'm calling this from stone babes to sentient spores. Is it possible at some point to be able to communicate with the Gaia hypothesis itself, the direct communication to the mycelium network? Well, they're driving cars now, we're told. Be right back. More trouble minds coming up. We got to looks like Shane and we got to more from James. 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Elections belong to the voters, not political parties. Paid for by veterans for all voters, Anthony Haas registered agent. The use of military rank and job titles does not imply endorsement by the Department of the Army or the Department of Defense of this ballot measure. Welcome back to Troubled Minds. I'm your host Michael Strange, we're streaming on YouTube, Rockfin, Rubble, Twitter and Twitch and kick and D-live, we're back on D-live and swear, where else? We're all over the damn place. Broadcast D-live on the Troubled Minds Radio Network. That's K-U-A-P digital broadcasting also on the Underground Media Network. That's 88.4 FM Auckland, New Zealand. Tonight, we're talking fungal frequencies from Stone Dave's to Sentient Spores. And if you were with us when we began tonight, there's this weird story where they're talking about they gave a fungus, the a mycelium network, a small one. They put in a car, they put in a robot, a robot car and a robot with appendages, five legs or arms or something. Links are in the description if you want to read this stuff. If you don't believe me and you're like, that sounds ridiculous, we'll go read the go read the stuff. It's all down there. That's why I like to link all my sources so you can see that I'm not full of it. And when I'm making stuff up, I'll tell you when I'm speculating, I'll tell you, but if it starts small, like giving, you know, a mushroom, a car and a and a robot mech, then, well, I mean, you don't have to like squint your eyes to really see that this this future is coming fast. And what does it mean? Really is the question, are we going to be able to communicate with the mycelium networks that have been thousands of years old currently? And of course, millions of years of evolution beyond what the human capacity is, you know, 300,000 years approximately, they say is the modern human. Well, the mycelium networks go back, sorry, millions and millions and millions of years. So, so what the hell's going on with that? And the weird part to me is this is the Gaia hypothesis. This is sort of that resonant frequency of the earth that we're always talking about that communing with nature as Kelly brought up, by the way, is what we should be doing all along. And there are, you know, places in the world, and not just in the past, but currently where people are communing with nature and communicating with it all the time. And so, the question becomes, how do we kind of pump this up and turn it into something other than just a mushroom driving a car? Love to hear your thoughts. Anything James, before we go to the caller here, Shane's on deck, and you've been quiet for a minute. If you got anything, go right ahead, sir. Great call from Kelly. Yeah, just this is, it makes me remember a little bit of, again, that Star Trek show, because I just remembered and part of that, how all that worked was a direct link between a person that had to be in this device that contained these spores from these mushrooms and these, and these spores. And so, there was like a direct telepathic or psychic link that was part of how this spore drive in Star Trek worked. So, I find that really amazing, the possible connection to maybe the future in this world. Who knows? But yeah, great calls from everyone. And looking forward to the rest. Amen. Great stuff. As always, you're the best. 702-957-1037. We're talking fungal frequencies from stone dapes to sentient spores. And now, of course, these "sentient spores," that's my term, are driving cars and operating little mech robots. Too strange for you or is it right in the pocket? Let's go to Shane and blind psyching out. What's up, my man? You're on Trouble Minds. How are you, sir? And go right ahead. I'm good. How are you? Pretty good. Pretty good. Talking wild stuff by Dark and Night, as we want to do on the show. What do you know about fungal frequencies? And how does any of this resonate with you at all? And by the way, you guys know me. If it sounds like nonsense, you're allowed to say. We don't all have to echo chamber it out. This is about ideas and us having our own thoughts. So, I'm not trying to lead you one way or the other. I'm trying to give you an out if you're like, this is nonsense. Because I kind of feel like some of this might be nonsense. But who knows? What's on your mind, my man? Go ahead. Well, I do want to get to that. But if I heard you correctly, you said something about organ transplants and then memories being transferred. Tonight, is that right? Yeah, that is a scientific thing. I'll look that up as you're talking about it. But let's say people that have a heart transplant seem to have latent memories of the person they got the heart from. And it's not just hearts, it's kidneys and other things, too, that they sort of start remembering memories that aren't theirs. And it seems alien because they're like, what is that? It is a thing. I can't remember exactly what it's called. But yeah, that's definitely a thing. Go ahead with what you got. Yeah, I just I just want to make sure about that. Because I looked into that and actually in the 1950s in Michigan, University of Michigan, they did a controversial study to determine if memory could be transferred. And I'm not good with names, but the scientists that did it, he took tape worms and he trained certain tape worms to go through a maze. And then he, this is why it's controversial because then he can't cut up the worms that learned the maze and then fed them to other tape worms that never were in the maze. And then they could travel, and he found out they traveled through the maze without ever being trained. And that's he determined it was that memory can be transferred through consumption as bad as that sounds. But that makes sense with the organs because DNA, like one of the earlier caller was saying that holds a lot of memory, like petabytes of data, which is a horrible name, but that's what they mean. Yeah, the the intelligence community calls that petaflops of our data. Check this out. Let me read this to you real fast. So it's actually called cellular memory hypothesis. So we get everybody on the same page. Art transplant recipients have reported experiencing changes in personality preferences and even memories following their transplant surgeries. Well, this phenomenon is not fully understood or accepted by mainstream medicine. Some researchers have proposed theories to explain these reported changes. Just a few things real quick, epigenetic memory, DNA memory, RNA memory, protein memory. And there's a bunch of other stuff here. I'm not going to bore you. I'll read it after your call, but I wanted to give it a name. It's called cellular memory hypothesis. Go right ahead, sir. What else you got? Yeah, and that the worm experiment that the doctor, the scientist, he thinks that the memory transfer is through the RNA because that I guess that's it. I don't know, to be honest, that's what I read. So I'm just going by what I read. Yeah, it's a wild thing to consider that, you know, sort of the the opposite, the ship, the thesis thought experiment, we were talking about that earlier with, you know, the data thing that James brought up that's surely we are greater than the sum of our parts. And this kind of kind of, you know, hints at that larger context of, you know, psychometry, in some sense, of the the item has adopted frequency or energies that is well resonant and kind of sticks with whatever it is, even though it seems to be a non sentient thing, like a human heart in and of itself, you know, Indiana Jones style, pull it out of the chest and drop it on the ground, it just dies and it's it can't live by itself. It's it's part of a larger whole. And so it doesn't have its own mind or its own memory unless it does. And that's where things get weird. What else you got? Go ahead, sir. Yeah, and then you were talking about the sentines, plants and animals. Well, they've been doing a lot of like, especially this year, a lot of plant experiments to see of how they respond. There was a recent study they did that they used ultrasound microphones to plants, and they would pry them on water. And the plants would make the ultrasound a popping noise when they were thirsty. It would be like a rapid, it sounds like popcorn popping pretty much. But then when they gave them the water, they stopped and it was repeatable. So they returned and it can obviously knows when it's, you know, thirsty, it actually makes sounds that we can't hear. That's the same with actually cut plants, kind of branch off, break leaf. They make ultrasound what they call it. They call they say it's screaming. I don't in pain. Again, it's hard to tell if it is pain receptors, but they do make off the sounds when you damage them. And then with the mushrooms, they have some called I don't know if you've heard of the wood wide web. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yes. So that was actually part of the thing. I didn't quite get to it yet, but I'm glad you brought it up because it was on the list of things to talk about tonight. So the world wide web is the internet that we've built. But the wood wide web, the www the other style is are these mycelium networks that have been there for thousands of years that are communicating all over the world together. And so that really brings to bear that that one of my favorite theories is that Gaia hypothesis is we're dealing with earth as a sentient entity because of all of that wood wide web that exists beneath the forest of the world. But yeah, I made you stuff. Thanks for bringing that. Go ahead. I'm not what you got. Yeah, like it's the micro helium. It's like microscopic fibers that it's just not the mushrooms, but it's all plants. I mean, I think if you put any pulp like a weed up out of the ground, you saw the fine fibers, the roots, and that's what they're talking about. But it even goes even smaller and they know that they intertwine with one another. So they can communicate feet like feet apart. I don't know exactly. I'm not going to lie about like certain distance a lot, but they can tell that they can communicate in different than being apart. And then with consciousness, I thought this was a very interesting experiment, which I didn't, I don't know if you heard about this one, is that plants that they sometimes mimic their neighbor plants, like they will mimic growing their, their leaves like to look like one another. And so I know that they did earlier this year, they wanted to, because I guess it was a huge kick to see if plants are conscious and this is pushing towards it that this experiment took one, I don't know the kind of plant, but it was one plant and then there was a barrier between, it was two plants, sorry, but there was a barrier between them where they couldn't see each other. And what happened was one of the plants on approach, it approached onto the other, their plant, because it was getting more sunlight because it needed a, and well, it was crazy that the plant that I approached started growing its leaves to look like the other plant, but the other plant was fake. So how, you know, they don't know how they were able to communicate with a fake plant. I don't know if you heard that one. I haven't heard that one. But that, but so that suggests, by the way, that they would have to have some sort of actual site, some actual way to determine that thing over there, maybe they can't communicate with it on that network, on the, you know, the, the fungal network or whatever's happening beneath the roots. But they still sense and see it and try and help it in some way. It's wild to consider all these things. And so that is one of the wild parts about this, one of the more wild parts, is that they will, you know, these, these networks will recognize their breath, their kin, their, sorry, kin, their kin, and they will, they will try and help their direct ancestors or write like rootlings or whatever first before they help, you know, the neighbor, they'll help their family before they help the neighbor. It's incredible to consider that this is happening beneath our feet everywhere we go. And just as an aside, I'm cutting the headlight of the tree in front because it's out of control. And so Mrs. Strange and I were out there looking at it like, ooh, this is, we, we got some, still got some work to do. I've been battling this tree for like two years now. But it's almost to the point where it's, it's trimmed back. But as you described, I know that tree is screaming because I've cut a lot of it off. So we talked to the tree and patted it until it's going to be okay. We're almost done. We're going to stop torturing you. Because you never know, right? You never know what they're, what they're doing, what they're listening and what they're plotting when they finally wake up to take over the world. And I'm only kidding there. But yeah, right? Well, what, what you just said by talking to them, again, they've done extensive studies that where they would, had two, two plants, same plants. And one plant was bombarded with negative, negativity, like just like calling it like stupid and just negative words. And the other one was bombarded with reinforcing, and reinforcing words like, you know, loving words and the plant that was getting bombarded with the negativity started dying. So, I mean, it's, it's just for the mainstream to say that plants, animals, don't have consciousness or sentience or, or anything like that. The honest is quite ridiculous. I mean, with animals, you can see them dreaming. You can, you can see them when they're hurt, when they're happy. Plants do the same thing. When they're hurt, they make sounds, when they're in danger, they release pheromones, and then other plants around them, pick that up, and then they defensive ignisms go up. I mean, don't they say something to me to be sentient that you have to basically understand your surroundings, know when you're in danger, protect yourself, feed yourself, understand what's going around. And these other beings are doing the exact same thing, but since we can't verbally communicate with them, we somehow shut that out and say, they're not sentient smart, but they show it every day. I just, it's, to me, it's just, I think it's ignorance. Yeah, yeah. Well, ignorance and then back to that human hubris, right? Like we can only be empathetic to mammals because, you know, they bleed and they cry and they yell up and they do the things that, you know, we do sort of. And so, you know, there's only, and even that, there's some people that have zero empathy to other mammals as well. Like, you know, just people killing things for target practice. I mean, I have no people like that. That's like really, seriously, you can shoot cans or something. I mean, like that type of stuff just drives me nuts. But I mean, so, so I think I agree with you 100% that there's, there's a larger context of life here that we don't give credit to being sentient. And I wouldn't be shocked if very soon, let's say in the next five, 10, 15, 20 years, that we start to tap into these ideas and maybe even come up with experiments where we can start to communicate and directly communicate and start to get maybe, you know, when we talk about the wisdom of the ancients, you know, sort of the oral tradition, this would be incredible because we're talking about things that have lived for thousands of years, these, these super organisms and maybe even passed on information from millions of years ago. So, so how do you, where do you stand on that, by the way? Do you think it's going to be possible one day for us, even one day soon, to be able to communicate with a mycelium network somewhere and talk to basically thousands of years of wisdom, sort of as interpreted through an AI system of big data? You think that's a possibility? You think that's a pipe dream? Um, 100% and real quick, going back to animals and stuff, this past year, they went viral. There was a dog that they taught, the owner taught it to basically communicate talk by hitting these buttons and the buttons and the dog learned like words on these buttons and the dog was named Bunny and there was a, I guess, a time where she put a mirror in front of the pad where the dog would hit it and then the dog kept hitting a dog, why? Like the words dog, why? Dog, why? And the dog ended up becoming depressed because it figured out, I think that's what she did, the onus thinks is she figured out she wasn't, wasn't a human but a dog because she put the mirror and then learned how to communicate. I don't agree with it. The onus says she put it on like anti, anti, anti-depressants, which is kind of crazy. Wow, wow, that's a big, yeah, you should check out that. I heard it. So I heard of the dogs real quick. I heard of the dogs that do communicate pushing the buttons where they have those systems set up. And by the way, wouldn't it be amazing if we had more of those? Have they made that cheap yet? Because I would love to teach my dog to be like, I mean, my dog would be annoying and just be like smashing the food button like 20 hours a day and be like, stop it, food, stop it, food, stop it. That would basically be my dog. But hopefully eventually she would start to maybe hit the, I want to play fetch button or whatever, right? Like that would be super cool. But I mean, this is exactly the thing. So basically, what you're saying and I agree again, we're lacking the devices to communicate with other sentient entities. And so animals, dogs are one specific example that we can train. But then that tape worms, I just said, is a wild one. I haven't heard of that either. But beyond that, looking into the plant kingdom, eventually, if we can actually tap into that and I don't know, gain the wisdom of our elders or our ancients. I'm looking forward to when that day comes. What else you got for us, my friend? Yeah, if you don't mind, would you, could you look up the name of that tape worm experiment? I can't remember the name of it. Yeah, I'll take a look here. Yep. Okay. And then I wanted to kind of touch on the stone caper theory about Karen's McKenna. Huge fan. Rest in peace. Sad that he died. Fairly young. His brother is pretty much right on the same track. Now, I don't think that that the mushrooms made them smarter. I believe that it, like you said, opened up the mind in like creativity, even with sexuality and just thinking beyond what they were normally thinking. Because I mean, they've been studies with psilocybin, LSD, DMT, people on it, being ministered and under MRI. And they show that once the, it takes hold in the chemical crosses the brain blood barrier, that it opens up new neural pathways in the brain. And when you open neural pathways, it usually just, well, from what I read, they don't close. That's why you see people with PTSD, trauma, even an earlier caller touched on Ibogaine. And I'll be honest, because I have a lot of medical issues, I have dealt with struggles with pain medicine, was blindly naive put on it years ago. I don't care what anybody says. I mean, one, it helped, but I wasn't informed as well as I should have been. But the Ibogaine is what he was speaking about. And he said by his brother, it is like a, it's a hallucinogenic, it's a reset. And it is one of the rare plant medicines that can reset the neural pathways. Because with addiction, it creates different neural pathways. And those pathways are triggered by the dopamine and the pleasure. And even the, if it's like certain other, like opiates or alcohol, that you get those pathways of addiction and happiness as part of it. And then the Ibogaine, which is illegal here, like every other hallucinogenic, is it creates new pathways. Now, I read this, I don't know if it's true. But when they, when they made hallucinogenics a schedule one, it wasn't because they know it wasn't, it's not addictive. Whatsoever. It was more of, it had opened people's mind and would question. And with our government that they were afraid of, obviously, we can all tell people thinking differently. And what I read was when they were passing the law that they just wanted to even put in that if you were caught with hallucinogenics, they had a choice to charge you with conspiracy against America. I don't know that's true or not. It sounds wild. I think I don't know, I don't know that one, but I think for sure conspiracy against big pharma, I'll tell you that. That's a fact. Real quick, we're just about running out of time, running out of time. I'm going to point this out. You asked me to look it up. So this is from wired.com. It link will be in the description down below. So study decapitated flatworms retain memories, transfer them to new brains. So I'll read just the first two paragraphs really quick. Biologists that sliced off the heads of trained plenarian flatworms have discovered that the regenerative creatures can retain memories and transfer these to their new regrown brains. The astonishing discovery was made by Michael Levin, a professor at Tufts University that's T U F T S and former colleague Tal Shombrat and published in the late edition of the journal of experimental biology. The co authors are hopeful that the find marks, the beginning of our understanding of how memory can potentially be stored in tissue and salvaged, help for plume regenerative medicine advances to such a stage that human brain tissue can be replaced or replenished with stem cells. Thank you for bringing that. I had no idea. One minute left, which it got on that final thought, my friend. Oh, well, I just, bottom line is plants, animals, girls, and we're all are, we're all this together. We just lost touch because of materialistic ideology and materials. So we really just need to go back to where we used to be. Amen. The old the old ways we should not forget this is a huge part of what trouble minds is all about. Appreciate it very much. Blind Psychonaut is the name. By the way, your link tree didn't come through. I get that fixed up, send it to me again, and I'll add you to trouble minds.org/friends. So maybe by the time you guys check it out, you can follow Blind Psychonaut and all that projects he's working on. Appreciate the call very much. Thanks for listening. Thanks for calling and always a pleasure. Look for your email. And if you need help getting that set up, something's not working. You let me know and I'll help you. Okay. Yeah, it wasn't very blind friendly website, but if I do, I'll shoot you an email. Thanks. Have a good night. I don't appreciate the call. You as well. Thank you so much. That's Shane Blind Psychonaut and great stuff as always. Look at that. Make a new friends all the time and such smart people. And that's what this is all about. Tonight, we're talking fungal frequencies. By the way, trouble minds.org/friends. When we get his link tree worked out, you can go check out all the projects that Shane there is working on. 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We're streaming on YouTube, Rockfam, Rumble, Twitter, Twitch, Kick, and D-Live. We're broadcasting live on the Troubled Minds Radio Network that's KUAP Digital Broadcasting and also on the Underground Media Network that's 88.4 FM Auckland, New Zealand. Tonight, we're talking fungal frequencies on calling this from Stone Dapes to Sentient Spores. And we started tonight with this wild idea of, yeah, a fungus controlling a robot. Did you guys see this? It kind of went viral over the weekend. Bio-hybrid robots is what they're calling them. And they're saying that the mycelium network itself is actually steering these robots, the little robot car they made it and this robot with five appendages. I mean, right? If you ever want to get a nightmare fuel, think about a robot with multiple appendages, kind of like a Cthulhu or something, like an octopus, like a land octopus. And then they allow a mycelium network to pilot this thing? Nightmare fuel? Anybody? Why don't we just make it big, like one of those kaijus or whatever? Like, let's just do that and let's just drop it in Japan and see what happens. I mean, I kind of feel like I kind of feel like anything, James. Of course, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Everybody relax. Anything, James, before we go to the calls? Well, the ironic thing about the one with the limbs, the robot with the limbs, is in the anime series Ghost in the Shell, they call them tanks, but they're really, I guess they kind of could still be called tanks, but they have limbs. They have arms on them that they can use to climb and move around. Or I believe they even have wheels on the bottom of those as well. So they can be driving, down a road, or they can be climbing around or walking around as needed. So I wonder if any of those scientists there maybe watched a little bit of the anime or the movies of Ghost in the Shell before they designed that. So yeah, that's pretty ironic in a way. Yeah, absolutely. Like I said, if you guys don't believe me, mushroom is given a robot body and runs wild and fascinating video. Links are going to be in the description down below. Please check that out. The links that people have mentioned as we went, the tapeworm stuff, the Kelly stuff, the stone dape, and 200,000 years ago, the brain, all that will also be added to the links in the description. So if you want to follow up on this stuff, definitely go click those and read more about it. 702-957-1037, click the discord link at troubleminds.org, we'll put you on the show. Just like this, John 5B on Rumble. What's up, my man? You're on Trouble Minds. How are you, sir? Go right ahead. What's up, Mike? Good to be here, man. Glad to have you. Glad to have you. You're the best. What's on your mind, my man? Well, yeah, let's see. I mean, I could start with my first mushroom experiences. I could also start with, I think, which is the most important out of everything, if I'm on mine right now, but the DMT experience. And I could also follow up on that with more, like, after that, mushroom experiences and LSD experiences and things like that. But if I have to pick one, I'm going to go with a DMT experience because it was, by far, the most clear of all of them. I'm not sure where to start because some of the circumstances under which I actually part took in the DMT. It's like dodgy situations. You know what I mean? I follow you. How do I best put this? Well, you don't have to give us the dodgy part. You could just give us the DMT part. I mean, okay, so here's the thing, right? So, or, yeah, we don't have to go down the whole dodgy rabbit. Nothing. Right. It's nothing that was like genuinely malevolent. It was just that definitely would probably be classified as a criminal enterprise. Okay. Okay. Okay. Wait, wait, this is a public show. Let's not implicate ourselves in anything publicly. Okay. So let's just say, oh, no, this is all just a story, dude. Well, there you go. Now we're talking. Yeah. All right. So, let's actually, this is a fictional story. Perfect. There we go. Okay. Now, hold on. So DMTs, let's start with the mushrooms, though, because tonight we're talking about the fungal frequency. Let's start there, and then we'll go to the DMT. So, with your mushroom experience, do you think there is some sort of resonance where you partake of, and then it kind of puts you in tune with the mycelium network in some capacities? Because I have read, and I've seen people describe this as talking to the mushroom, or the mushroom told me, did you ever have that experience while taking these illicit substances? I never had that experience specifically with, say, like, a mushroom, you know, telling me, it's me, the mushroom. What I have seen, though, is that taking these things in this story, in this fictional story where this character part took in those things, is that basically, it was sort of actually a plane that was beyond even the consideration of exactly where it came from, right? So, like, I was, this character, he will call him me, you know, that was his name in the story, his name was me. The mushroom itself was not making itself the biggest part of the picture. There was something else going on that had nothing to do with any sort of original inspiration for what was occurring, like as far as consciousness goes, and it's not that I'm saying that that's not part of it, but it's just for me, like, for what me was shown, was just kind of, um, it had something to do more with a, even bigger picture than just, like, trying to nail it down and say, well, this is what's happening. It's all about the mushroom, it's all about the person, it's all about the drug, it's all about this or whatever. There was something else going on, like me, I'm just, I don't care, it's not your fault if you have a criminal on your show, like, uh, wait, wait, hold on, hold on, though, I'm trying to not get you to implicate yourself, that's all I'm trying to say. They can't do anything. Oh, no, I'm not worried about that. I'm just trying to help. They already know. Okay, or they already know. As long as you're okay with it, see, they already know about me. In Minecraft, they're okay with it in Minecraft. Okay, perfect, perfect. All right. It's all in Minecraft, Mike. Exactly, it's all in Minecraft. Okay, so hold on. Okay, so before we go to the next, the DMT part of this, which is, again, the pineal gland and, uh, that whole bit, okay, uh, it's housed in our brain. It's a, it is one of those things, but before we do that, do you think it is possible then that at some point we will be able to communicate with these mycelium networks through AI or other means? You think this is possible or do you think that's just something that's so ridiculous to mention? I think you can do it already. Okay. I think like the only thing that holds you back from doing it right now is the belief that you can't and like whatever belief structure it is because it really is, it's a matter of layering the dimensions of human consciousness. You know, there's a certain level that we're on right now when we're talking quote on quote intellectually. So intellectually we perceive things as dimensionally layered, but that is really just the outmost application of something called a calculator. I mean, it's hard, it's hard to describe, but it's like within this paradigm, within this paradigm, we're going to talk about these things as if they are beyond it. Like, it's as simple as pie, and this will lead directly into the DMT thing I'm going to talk about is if I have time and if that's allowed, and I appreciate it either way. But like beyond beyond that, there's the actual way to do it that technology is always trying to catch up to is so simple and so easy, but it's also the way that we're all brought up is to believe in this very small, you know, intellectually rational world and because of that, it's really startling for most people to actually go further than that. And like a lot of the encounters that you have there that are going to be more meaningful than anything you could conceive of kind of kind of shunted off into this nexus of, well, that's just irrational modalities, you know, there's name, whatever illness you want to apply to that irrational modality, but one way or another, it's going to be called a untrue, uneven, unbalanced, you know. Yeah, well, you're good. You're good. Hold on. So Matt's outlet in the chat says trying to explain the mushroom trip is impossible. So we won't hold you to that. I just really is. Yeah, I just wanted to ask you about it before we got to the DMT. Now, what do you think is happening? Do you think we're actually accessing higher realms? Are we just tripping balls? How does it play in your head? There's a difference. You know, there's a difference. I've seen both of them in myself and others. You know, there's sometimes people, it depends on how they're rolling pretty much. You know, but there's one modality where it is intended to be kept as a party favor. You know, so all you're going to get is just everything is the same, except it's brighter, more colorful. But there's the other modality where the consciousness actually encounters something bigger. And a lot of times that's actually fled from, and when a person flees from that, but they can't stop perceiving it, that's where people start having what you call a bad trip. I'm making a mess of this. No, you're fine. You're fine. You're fine. So let me ask you the question this regarding all of that. You think there is sort of that larger context where we are communicating with some of these things when our mind goes to this higher level of consciousness, meaning let's say DMT entities or even this mycelium network. Are we are we tapping into basically the Gaia hypothesis, the Earth spirits, the primordial nature spirits of old? Is that what's happening here? I mean, that's that's really common and that's natural, you know, because that's actually more real than our rational materialist mindset, where we think everything's just an equation, just brain matter, firing in different ways. All that stuff is very real. It's actually more real than the basis of our, I mean, all over the globe right now, it's all rational material. It doesn't matter what country you're in, it's all rational material. Everyone's fronting with nukes, you know. Yeah, all that stuff is real. You'll be able to understand and see things and connect with things in a way that isn't what you've been told is actually possible. For lack of better words, it goes back to some of the things that you'll hear some of the shamanic traditions talk about, which is yeah, he could talk to birds, he could talk to dogs, he could talk to whales, he could talk with stones, you know, that's all very real. The thing is though, is even though you're able to do that, it doesn't stop the fact that terrible things are happening. And so, there's really not much reprieve in that zone of realization, because it brings you to the same place you were at before, but even worse, because like all tragedy means more in that heightened level of experience, if that makes sense. Yeah, I'm tracking, I follow you, I follow you. And I know this is a complicated one, as Matt's Al said very smartly, it is impossible to sort of explain these things to people that haven't seen it or experienced it themselves. So it's okay, don't trip, don't be too hard on yourself, it's all good. It's all good. So you are a proponent for all of this being real. And we should be more receptive and open to the stuff I'm saying as well. And this is where, again, just so you guys know, I've talked about this a lot, I've never done hallucinogens or anything. But I've been told that I've got a hallucinogen type mind, whatever that means, shout out GG on the shift happens, he's like, he's like, I'd swear Mike, you would do mushrooms all the time. I don't know, I mean, I drink a little beer, but that's about it. And so I think we can press ourselves beyond our means mentally, if we just sort of want it, if we do that. So there's, there's my story, but amazing stuff, I appreciate the call. Got a final thought for us, we got calls behind you, we got a cut. Yeah, man. First off, the hallucinogen based mind like misclaimer of you is actually, it's not a hallucinogen. And when you breach the outer barriers of rationality, even it doesn't mean you're fucking stupid. Hey, come on, come on, come on, we're on the radio, bro, we're on the radio, bro, you can't drop the F bombs, please, please don't do that. All right, sorry, sorry, sorry. That's okay. The empty next time was way different from all of these things, man. It's not the same. Okay, so I'm gonna ask you this. So hang on to that one, because we'll get back to DMT at some point and call me when that happens. Okay, let me know about the DMT experience, because I have a lot of wild ideas regarding it, we can do whole shows on this. So I'd love to hear that in that context. Let's leave it leave it at the mushrooms for the moment. And you were the best, I appreciate the call. You good? Still there? Yeah, I'm still here. Right on. Okay. Okay. So, so I'll say hi to you. I'm gonna hang up on you right now. You're good. I just want you. Okay. You went silent and it was weird. Yeah, I want to hear my DMT. Okay. No, no, no. Later, man. We'll do that another time. You're the best. Have a great night. Appreciate that. That's John 5B over on Rumble. A good friend for a long time. Amazing stuff. And yeah, it is. It's very difficult to explain a trip to somebody who's never had one or even in the context of people who have, because each one's going to be different. Again, from just reading, because I've read a ton about this, as you guys know, I've been doing this for years and years and years, looking into all manner of things, because I wonder what the hell is happening in the world around us. Thanks for the call. John 5B over on Rumble. Appreciate that 702-957-1037. Click the Discord link in troubleminds.org and put you on the show. Just like this. Thanks for being patient. My man, MJ in Virginia, you're on troubleminds. How are you, sir? Go right ahead. MJ in Virginia, you're on troubleminds. How are you, sir? Go right ahead. Just to unmute. And now you're good to go. And that's, of course, you didn't mean to put your hand up, which happens from time to time. We got a butt dial and we got a MJ. Test, test. 1-2. 1-2 test. And Jane Virginia, you're on troubleminds. Are you there? We got unmuted. I don't hear MJ. Can you hear me? Yeah, there we go. All right. Now we hear you. All right, fine. Welcome to the joint. Sorry about all that weirdness. Oh, I'm an interesting topic. Yeah, go ahead. What you got? Well, I was thinking about that. I thought, you know, the plants are going to learn how to use AI. Like, let's say the mushrooms are on the back a little tonker truck and it's real slow and they started leaning towards the light. So that indicates to the little AI truck or whatever they're on to walk towards the light because it's leaning towards that. So the plant learns how to use this. Okay, so coordinate that way. Eventually, the plant learns how to communicate to us. And I don't think I'd want to hear what the plant has to say. I don't think it's going to be level. Well, activities that were belevolent, belevolent. Yeah, with an end, benevolent, benevolent. Anyways, they're not going to be nice about it. They're not going to be nice. Yeah, they're not going to be nice. Okay, I think it's that word out right now. So you're sitting there and you're teaching honeysuckle and wild grape and, you know, briar bushes and suddenly they have because plants communicate all the time. There's plants around the world, especially in Africa, the rainforest, where, let's say a bug comes along, starts chewing on the plant and the plant is alerted to put a neurotoxin to repel the bug so it doesn't eat him on her leaves. And maybe it's one leaf and that's it. So the rest of it, but that also signals all the other plants to do the same thing. So they're, they're, um, symbiotic. Plants are like that all over the world to one another. Okay. Um, so now you're going to give the plants the ability to talk through AI to us. I don't think that's a good thing. Well, I guess we'll find out. So, so do you think this is possible? I think you think this is possible. I think it's possible. I don't know if it's like 10 years from now or 100 years from now, but I think for sure we're going to be able to tap into mother nature and have that conversation. And you may be right, by the way, that we're not going to like the conversation that's had back at us. It won't be benevolent or nice for sure. For sure. I'm with you. Yeah. There's the end. The end of the level. There you go. There you go. Yeah. I mean, so, okay. So, so regarding this, though, uh, I know, I know you've, you've done some, uh, some out of body, the psychic stuff you've done over the years is even had an alien abduction experience or several. Uh, have you ever had maybe contact with, do you think the actual mycelium network or mother nature itself herself? Is that, is that something that you've experienced or do you think this is, um, I don't know, something we all experience? What's your take on that? Well, if we would listen, we all experience it. Um, and here's one for you. I've had, uh, I went, you know, go to the food bank and you get butter squash and I don't like, but I have no way to fix butter squash. And I forgot about it. It's fitting in the box. It came up with started to rot. So I took it and it's through it across the backyard. Now I've got like seven plants of butter squash coming up and I've got butter squash. It's late in the season, but it started growing. Okay. Um, what I sometimes do as I have a pendulum and I'll go out and douse the trees because some of them have to come down and I will talk to them. You know, some of the trees tell me they don't want to be cut down. It'll sit, it'll say, no, don't, you know, don't cut me down. All right. And so we already have that ability to do that. But it's on a intuitive level. Let's put it that way. It's like a intuitive level. So you have that. Um, and I went down on my back property because eventually I would like to kind of get a lot of it cleared out. That means some of these trees are going to have to go. And I'm going to have to go to them and ask them, this is what I'm getting ready to do, like prepare them for it. And are you guys okay with this? You know, is that, is that something we can, you can deal with. I do that all the time. If I'm going to do some, except I'm going to lawn, the lawn knows it's coming. But, um, so we already have the lawn traumas built in it already knows. Yeah, no, it can't fight it, you know. Um, so now we're going to add, it took these plants into AI to give them free will to communicate because they communicate to us, but we just don't, you know, we don't hear it. So we're going to use machinery to do it. And you're going to educate a plant on how to use AI. It's going to incorporate with AI, then eventually start mimicking humans. And the plants are going to come together and, you know, like, let's honey suck what comes together and makes this human looking thing. And it's going to take over and use as a fertilizer. There you go. Turn the tables right. We live. Yeah, it's like you've been, you've been plowing on us forever. We live in the upside down. Well, uh, now the upside down on the upside down is you're the fertilizer. Yes, indeed. I don't know. Like, I think I'm not even sure that the animal kingdom, uh, the floor of the fawn of the earth in the context of the Gaia hypothesis. I'm not sure it's it has sort of a, a retribution mindset. I think nature itself is scary. I think I think that, uh, meaning that the power of nature is always sort of vying for supremacy against each other. It's always sort of combative, but also, you know, it's communicative and they, you know, in some cases help each other. I mean, you see some predator and prey in some cases actually working together in the wild. I mean, I don't know. I think basically, I guess I'm trying to say it's unpredictable. And, uh, that's probably what we're dealing with is nature is chaotic and wild and well, uh, invoke the wild spirits. We got about a minute left. You're welcome to stay after the break. If you got anything else, but go ahead, sir. Um, I'll say after the break. Okay. So you're going to say, okay, hang tight. We'll be right back with, uh, more, more with MJ, just a second. You're going to take a break and then hang tight, her show you're up next as well. Uh, so, so look, I don't know regarding this type of stuff. I think there's something to this, you know, science suggests again, they're doing this. Mycelium networks, driving cars and little kaiju's or whatever's going on. I'm probably using that term improperly. I don't know. I'm, um, I'm old and so forgive me, but, uh, but there's something happening with this. And I do wonder exactly how this is going to shake out over the next, uh, you know, five, 10, 15, 20 and a hundred years. And, you know, in a hundred years, maybe none of us will be here. Maybe in a hundred years through the technological change of artificial super intelligence, maybe we'll all be here. Who really knows? That's why we talk about this stuff. I don't really know anything. I'm just trying to look to the future and wonder what might come next. And by the way, I do that because I wonder how they'll use it against us. Right now, AGI artificial general intelligence might be a thing, but does anybody have it? Anybody have one? Anybody show it to me? Nope. I'll bet you the governments might know about it. What's going on? Who gets what? Love to hear your thoughts on fungal frequencies. What this looks like in the future. 702-957-1037. More from MJ coming up, more from James again. 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Elections belong to the voters, not political parties. Paid for by veterans for all voters, Anthony Haas registered agent. The use of military rank and job titles does not imply endorsement by the Department of the Army or the Department of Defense of this ballot measure. Welcome back to troubled minds. I'm your host Michael Strange. We're streaming on YouTube, Rockfin, Rumble, Twitter, Twitch, kick and delive. We're broadcasting live on the Trevor Minds radio network that's KUAP digital broadcasting and also 88.4 FM Auckland, New Zealand on the underground media network. Tonight, we're talking fungal frequencies from stone dates to sentient spores. And we started tonight with this wild story of the fungus controlling a robot. Did you guys see this? It went viral over the weekend. People are showing the video. It's all the rage. It's all the nightmare fuel you could ever want, but they're calling it bio-hybrid robots. And of course, that are part fungi and part computer convert fungal electrical signals into digital commands. A promising advance in building more sustainable robots, they tell us. Well, as MJ said, what if it's not? And what if the actual animal and plant kingdom has something to tell us that is not so benevolent? James, anything to add real quick for you to go back to MJ and then a hang tight Herschel will get to you momentarily. No, just that MJ is that he said what I was thinking about earlier is what kind of message are we going to get from other creatures and any kind of creatures around the world. So I mean, once you figure out how to communicate with one, then maybe the technology would spread to all the others. And yeah, we're going to get, I'm sure, a lot of, at the very least, some maybe opposition or some sort of response to the way that some people have, and I always like to say, some people have treated the planet over time. And hopefully, though, just like people in general, it'll all realize that not everyone is trying to do that, not everyone is meantime the way some people do or some people just don't care. So I thought that that was a great point. If I can talk right, that'd be good. Anyway, that's all I have for now. It is the best welcome to my world. Dr. MJ, thanks for being patient. My man and waiting for the break. What else should got on any of this? Go ahead, sir. Well, I started thinking about it. You know, and the planet was, you know, volcano and everything and finally created molecules for rain and started raining and cooled the planet off. And then a million years later, the first plant we've ever had on this planet was algae, you see. And when the sun came up and heated the water up, it heated up the algae and the algae of what we had algae back then would produce pure oxygen. Okay, that kept going for another few million years and it started changing the atmosphere, which allowed plant life to grow because it had plenty of carbon dioxide, monoxide, all kinds of gases, but it would take the carbon dioxide and turn it into air. So eventually, the whole atmosphere started changing. So plant life is probably one of the first living things on the planet, single cell amoebas or whatever in the water, and they started coming together and creating things. So plant life has been here the longest, other than the rain and volcanoes, gas. Now, we have the plant, the sun comes up, like I said, the planet is just one big solar panel. There's places in Africa where they have large lakes with the plants down in there, they're in down in the water and they root themselves to rocks, and they're not small. And of course, the sun comes up and it starts heating the water up and it creates so much pure oxygen that they float to the top attached to the rock. And suddenly, the lake becomes effervescent for a little while, it's bubbly going low, and it's releasing this oxygen into the air. Now, the one thing the plants can't do without is carbon dioxide because they take that and turn it into air so the animals and everything are breathing that so do we. So there's a symbiotic relationship the plants realize that we have to have some humans on here in order for us to live because it's all carbon dioxide, they can't, they're, I mean, they turn everything into air, they have nothing to breathe. So that will exist for a long time with them. Nature is extremely cruel. The plant life doesn't have emotions like we do, they'll be more like aliens or more like AI for emotions, not understanding the cruelty of when, you know, they do something, it's for survival and this is how it goes. And you know, there's plants down in Africa, the vines that's fine along, and they actually stick like a straw like thing into other plants and they take out the moisture and everything. But in order to keep that plant alive, they're going to feed the plant nutrients that keeps the plant alive so they can get the moisture. You see, that's very symbiotic. And eventually, you know, something dies out, it dies out, but there's no emotions there. So when you're combining to something that has no emotions, AI and plants, that's like, you know, and it becomes intelligent and knows how to work things now, that's going to be, I think that's going to be dangerous. Yeah, well, that dangerous may be a little much, but who knows that that becomes a thing because we are dealing with, as you're describing, you're describing it perfectly, in my opinion, non human intelligence. And so how does it see humans? And it may be indifferent to that's that whole, you know, cosmic horror, the love crafty and thing where the most terrifying thing to people is that the natural order doesn't give a crap about us. And we'll just steamroll us and run us over and just do what it's going to do with or without us, whether we're here or not. Because like, as you said, it is a symbiosis of sorts, you know, where we're breathing in the oxygen breathing out the carbon dioxide is part of that process. But you don't think that some other thing would fill our void after we're long gone. I think something would think that's a fact 100%. We got calls behind you, we got to cut. So abbreviate what you got, but go ahead, what else? Well, anyways, I was thinking about it, we're the only animal on the planet that has to use liquids to break down our feces. Everything else that eats the plants, you know, it goes the bathroom right there, and that breaks down back into the soil and it feeds the soil. We're the only ones that don't do that. We don't really feed back anything. Hmm, I'm gonna have to meditate on that. I think you, I think you may be, I mean, maybe partially right. But of course, you know me, I'm not the arbiter of truth anyway, but yeah, I think you're on to something. There's a, there might be sort of that exploitative symbiosis that we have, which is not the best symbiosis to have. It's a, it's kind of an abusive relationship with the earth. We're on the lower end. Yeah. Yeah, it seems like it definitely seems like, uh, yeah. So if you got to give it, uh, so final question here, if you got to give it like a, you know, five year, 10 year, 100 year sort of cycle, when do you think we'll actually be able to communicate directly with this sort of Gaia hypothesis, mycelium network, do you think it's coming soon? Hmm, 500 years. If we can already do that, we're trying to do it through machine rank, we can already do that. So if you're going to do it through machinery at 500 to 1000 years. Fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah. I think, I think you're probably right. I think we have a lot, a lot to go between here and there before we figure it out. But of course, communing with nature is always the best way. Uh, like I said, when I was young, I used to think the term tree hugger was bad. Go hug a tree guys. You're the best MD. Appreciate you. Stay back. You're on the good side early. Yeah. There you go. Exactly right. Uh, always a pleasure. Appreciate the call and you have a great night. Okay. Oh, YouTube, okay. Thanks a lot. That's an MJ Virginia. You know, we love a good friend for a long time. Anything real quick, James, we'll go to Herschel and then we'll wrap this up. No, not too much. Just amazing calls from everyone. Great call from MJ. And yeah, um, I think, uh, you know, I think that's part of it too, is we're talking about one species to another communicating and like it'd be sort of a simple one message to another and then back and forth. I think once that technology is there, it would just be a whole other level of conversation between everyone involved. And that's where things could get even more complicated. So, okay. Call us for everyone. Well said amazing stuff. 702-957-1037. Click the Discord link at trebleminds.ergal butch on the show. Herschel coming up next just to accept the invite and then unmute and you're on. We're talking fungal frequencies tonight from stone dapes to sentient spores. And what does this look like in the next five, 10, 1500 years? And do you think we'll ever be able to communicate with nature directly? Herschel Sterling, what's going on, my man? You're on trouble minds. Are you, sir? And go right ahead. All right. All right. Yeah. Um, so much here, a lot of referencing of other calls. Um, what James was saying about how, you know, the idea of interfacing it with machines that could be troublesome, the idea that they want to immediately just interface it with machines. Um, unless they're testing it, unless they're testing its ability to communicate with machines. And that could be okay. But, um, I don't know, if, I don't know if you've read the book Chaos by Tom O'Neill or not. Navy, you read that? No, but it sounds fantastic. That book, that book is so amazing. And it's really, in my opinion, a must read. It's about how it's, it's, it sounds off-track, but it's not. I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll come, you know, when I come around, you'll see the point I make. And but, it's about how the CIA, the CIA influenced the 60s and how they, they literally, in, you know, unleashed Charles Manson on society. He was a CIA asset. He had been arrested by local sheriffs and state police several times and they were ordered to release him. They had him for violent crimes and really heinous crimes several times and they were ordered to release him before he did all the crazy stuff he did. Also, they unleashed Ted Kuzinsky. He was a part of one of their projects. So, you know, they used LSD to do that. The CIA tried to use mushrooms and they gave up on it because it didn't work. Okay, so that goes back to Kelly's call where you were, guys were talking about drugs, natural drugs and versus non-natural drugs. And I think the fact that the CIA chose, you know, continues to use LSD and they have rejected mushrooms to tell anybody everything. I mean, that's all you really need to know. You know, stay away from synthesized materials and just stick to nature. In the 60s, they also, they also, you know, swept through the college towns and arrested everybody for marijuana and mushrooms and then immediately began, you know, unleashing methamphetamines into those college towns because methamphetamines tend to more violence and chaos and just problems, whereas the marijuana and the mushrooms make people chill out and have conversations. So, I mean, that should just kind of tell you everything. So, this idea that maybe interfacing them with machines is frightening because, of course, what does the establishment want to do? They want to make weapons out of everything. What if the mushrooms just refuse? What if they just won't do that? What if they just won't do it? It will fail. I find that a really interesting question considering the subject of this show, you know what I mean? Like, what if it just won't work? What if they try to use these mushrooms for nefarious purposes and it just, they just, they just don't do it. It just doesn't work. It just goes against nature, so they just won't, they just won't do it. So, that's kind of a, I don't like hope. I'm not a hope guy, but that's like a really good, I think that's a, I mean, there's, I think there's a chance there, you know what I mean? Yeah, I follow you. Real quick on that. The reason why I laughed when you were talking about that, you were talking about synthesized to drugs versus natural drugs. It also goes for your food, by the way, and you know this, everybody knows this. Eat natural stuff, don't, don't eat the fruit loops, please. Nobody, look, if anybody here is eating fruit loops, stop it, stop it. And if anybody's putting their kids' fruit loops, stop it. It's a, it's synthesized, it's unnatural, it's got all those grotesque dyes and stuff and there's tons of sugar, stop it, stop it, eat something a little bit better for yourself. But that's why it chuckled, because when you said that, it's, it doesn't just stick to the drug world, it sticks to the, let's say hallucinogen world, it sticks to pretty much everything else as well. It's, it is well said. Real quick on the CIA stuff and the LSD, I think you're on to something here. I think there's probably a larger conceptual framework that maybe we can derive out of this for a whole other show, just FYI. But I'm with you, I'm on the same page and you were spot on as far as my opinion goes. What else you got? Go ahead, sir. Well, that, that, those thoughts, there was another thing I wanted to bring up. So maybe I'll, I'll think of it again, but I want to address what MJ was talking about with cutting down his trees. Okay, I thought about the other thing, but I'll bring the, I'll, I'll say this part first. MJ, when you cut your trees down, just drag, just D, D branch them and drag them out here in Virginia. It's super humid there. It's a very like wet climate, you know, drag them out somewhere and some flat surface and they'll just develop all manner of mushrooms and different kinds of funguses and they'll be fine. They'll be fine. Just tell them, look, I'm going to drag you out in the field out there in the tall grass and you're going to break down and all kinds of mushrooms are going to grow on you and feed on you and like, they'll be fine and they'll, they'll be fine with that. They'll be okay. They'll understand. That's what you do with trees. I used to go hiking out in the upper peninsula and I'd see these felled trees just laying out on the ground like laying out in the, off the paths out in the woods and they would just have every single kind of mushroom, just wild looking mushrooms, just growing out of them and just like, just, just insane. So the other thing I would bring up based on what we discussed and when you were talking about people's experiences with mushrooms, I have heard tell and I, you know, I've only heard about this but, you know, a nominal dose like a little dose, maybe an ounce or an ounce and a half and you go hiking, you know, and I've heard that people have gone hiking and they really get in touch and they really kind of, the mushrooms help them really kind of communicate and get in tune with nature, then they might have to take a trip into town and go out in the sunlight and then the mushrooms aren't really kicked in anymore. They just kind of go away and then you go back out in the woods and they kick back in. I find that very fascinating, that idea of that, that they just kind of like are there when you need them but not necessarily when you don't really need them. But when you're in the woods, in the trees and around all the nature, it kind of kicks in and there's like this, you get a, you know, a different kind of a connection to the woods around you, then you go into town and you have to maybe do a few things and they're not, you don't really feel it at all and not at all and then you go on the way home, you hit back the woods again and there they are again and it's, that's kind of fascinating that they have not just a connection to you but a connection to the natural world that you put, they put you in tune with, you know, when you're around the concrete then they're not so much there and then when you get back into the woods then they're there again. So now what I wanted to touch on was the thing of, you know, the communication with nature, communication with animals, we totally communicate with animals. Like, we have this ability to communicate practically and some cases telepathically with animals, it's totally there and especially with equines, horses, donkeys, goats, it's an incredible relationship. We've been evolving alongside these animals for so long we know each other so well and if you spend any time with a horse or any time with donkeys or any time with a goat, I've had this cool goat friend out in California named Hank and he, I mean I could tell you story after story about horses and donkeys but I'll tell you this goat story. Hank was just this belligerent goat, he was a new bile so that means he didn't have horns, he was a goat that had long ears and if you look at him from a distance like from like 100 yards away, he just, you'd think he was like a standard poodle, like that's what he looked like a dog, kind of, like a dog with long legs and floppy ears and he, when I first got to this farm, he wouldn't leave me alone, he kept but I was trying to fix help out this goat that was sick and he kept butting me and like ramming me and finally I just shoved him so hard in the other direction because he wasn't leaving me alone to work with this sick goat and I shoved him so hard in the other direction and after I shoved him and pushed him and yelled at him, he was my best friend, like he was like my pal, like a dog, he'd follow me around, he'd wait for me outside my trailer when I was away and just sit there and wait for me, he'd kick a soccer ball around with me and stuff and he just like knew me and I've had relationships with horses, like really smart horses, some horses are so smart, if they had thumbs and they could talk, they would be running thing, they'd be the president, I'm not kidding you, they are really, really smart animals and you can communicate with them, once you learn that, once you learn their facial expressions and their head movements and like the way they do things, they point to things, they show you things, this one horse, the first horse I worked with, I was so lucky I worked with these four horses and one of them was really smart, he was this gigantic English warm blood and he taught me everything I needed to know about taking care of those horses, just by moving his body around, pointing his head at things, shoving his forehead into my chest when I was doing something wrong, like he was so smart and there's a lot of horses like that, there's a lot of declines like that, I think that's like that with a lot of animals, like we have relationships with them, they're dormant, they're just like Kelly was saying, they're just dormant, you know, it's totally true, but with the mushrooms thing, my guess is if they try, I'm hoping, I'm thinking, I'm not a hope guy, like I said, but I'm thinking that if they try to use mushrooms to make weapons, that the mushrooms just won't cooperate and they'll give up on it, just like the CIA gave up on mushrooms, it just didn't work, they couldn't control people with them. Yeah, for sure. You know, real quick, let me, let me comment on the horses thing, so, so there is some historical precedent, because you said, you said that horses would be president, if they could talk and had thumbs, the Caligula actually made his horse a console, so maybe, maybe the tyrant emperor of Rome was on to something, I just thought it when you said that he was also kind of a freak. Yeah, no, he was also kind of, he was horrific, he was a villain of history, but funny enough is when he said that it brought that to mind, because that's a true story, by the way. But anyway, so yeah, regarding regarding the mushrooms, maybe that's it, maybe they are, let's say benevolent in some sense, maybe they kind of are like, all right, we're going to help you, we're here to help you, we're sort of the, the symbiosis of the Gaia hypothesis together. So what does that look like going forward? And maybe, maybe you're right, maybe they kind of understand more than we think just based on resonant energy of not just us, but the natural world around them. And if you could weaponize them, maybe they would refuse to participate, as we should, by the way, if we are weaponized, we should refuse to participate as well. Well said, I like that. Yeah, I don't know, I think, I think that we'll probably find out that's what I think is unfortunately that will, there'll be some DARPA program and we'll find out one way or the other. Let me bring this other thing up that came up earlier about the stone dape theory. You know, there's some people who think that some mycelium came through a meteor that hit our planet and released these mycelium. I kind of feel like there was some kind of a big event that caused an evolution and it could have been a combination of things like the mycelium, but also perhaps minerals and other things that were released in the meteor blast that created the conditions. So some one of my buddy Nick over in the kick chat brought up, what how does that relate to the Anunnaki? I think that's a really great question. Like some people think that we're, you know, that we're a product or a project of the Anunnaki. That could be true. That's kind of like, I don't know if it's an either or thing or not, you know what I'm saying? But what I do think is that the other thing he brought up was, you know, is what do you think about the out of Africa theory that is there's a single origin of human evolution. You know, sometimes I wonder if something was introduced into our biosphere that caused kind of a simultaneous evolution all around the whole planet. Like, it wasn't just in one place that because these mycelium and these new minerals and metals were introduced into our biosphere and integrated with some hominid that perhaps it was a combination and that there was a simultaneous evolution globally, like in all of the whole different places, not just in one place. That's something that's interesting to think about. The other thing that's interesting to think about is what Nick brought up was, you know, is it, how does this relate to the Anunnaki theory that we're a product of Anunnaki? I don't know. I mean, these, are they, are those two things compatible? Is it either or? Is it a false equivalent? Like, is it a false choice? Like, I don't know, that's really worth looking into. It's really worth, it's really worth thinking about. It's really something worth thinking about. Yeah, leaving, let's say leaving a non-human intelligence here, sort of on the down low, it makes some sense that I'm getting some some feedback on your report there. Anyway, go ahead and finish your mute, please. Oh, I was done. I didn't know you were getting feedback. I was all completed. Okay. Okay. I'm getting, so I'm hearing myself back on your, on your microphone. Please mute up. Oh, sorry about that. You're good. You're good. You're good. Sorry. You got speakers up is what's happening. So I'm hearing myself back on the stream. Okay. So, so I'm going to bump you down here and I'll, I'll talk to you if you're done. Appreciate that. I speak. Okay. I'll get you back up. I'll get you back here. All right. So, so what was I say regarding the Anunnaki thing, to my mind, when you mentioned that, it seems almost as if that if you're going to leave sort of a non-human resident intelligence that was on the slide, on the down low here on earth, that we would never be able to detect, you would embed it in some place like this, mycelial network. You would, you would sort of leave a resident consciousness that was maybe even ruling the world. Maybe it is a Gaia hypothesis itself. And the knowledge of the ancient, since I described earlier in the show, would be built on that based on that. And again, so just emerged to ideas, like I said, no truth to be found here, but I can see that those two things could fit into the same space. Is it, is it real? Is it not? Look, I don't know. I'm not, like I always say, all that stuff is above my pay grade, and I'm not the arbiter of truth. So, so I don't really know, but I can see them existing in the same space. Welcome back, Rachel. If you guys think go ahead on that and we'll wrap this. If you're there, tell us this. That the water place is a Maria. It's in your head. Yeah, you're chopping your chopping up now, getting all choppy. Oh, I'm sorry. Hold on. Let me do something here. You're good. You're good. Stay right there. How am I now? You're good. Am I okay now? You're okay now. Final, okay. The way, the way that I, the thing that I would say about the mycelium being like a super consciousness, was that if it is, we're just another being, we're just another species, and they'll be fine with or without us. Like we got, you know what I mean? We're so anthropocentric that we, you know, we might put more importance on ourselves than necessary in that larger context. And if we're gone, it'll still be here. And it'll just communicate with the other beings that are here, the other species. And, you know, we come and go, but they'll be here. Which means that the mycelial network now that's here might be resonant from like, you know, just conceptually Atlantis or something. Maybe it's a bridge between us and them, historically. Yeah. Wild stuff. All right. Well, hey, good night, everybody. Thanks. Great call. Sorry. Really cool show. Really cool show. Thank you. Fantastic call for you as well. You know, Herschel, you'll love him. He's here on the network with us. We'll check out his podcast, check out his sub stack commercial Herschel. You can find him links in the description down below, troubledminds.org/friends. It says, follow Herschel here and check out his podcast, check out his sub stack. Brilliant guys, you can tell, always a great idea and multiple ideas. And that's the best of and a smart friends that are open minded about all the things. Appreciate you, my man. Thanks for calling. Thanks for being part of it. And we'll talk to you soon. Have a great night. That's that's Herschel. Herschel Sterling, anything to add, James? And let's dip this. Yeah, I love the idea that if anyone does try to weaponize any, I would guess, any plans or any other beings that they would just refuse to to go with that. And but also the idea to me, it's amazing. I wonder if they are have already sort of discovered that scientists are there if they will, if they'll still be able to work with these other plans and still have them sort of help with technology and work with technology and maybe still help and be connected with all that and and be a force for good along with the other people. So that's an amazing idea. And hopefully that's what happens if anything else. Yeah, amen. And by the way, it's a fantastic message. If you've been weaponized in any in any capacity whatsoever, you always have the right to decline. No, thank you. No, thank you. So well said by James, great stuff. Well said by Herschel. And everybody else tonight, our superpower is that we are greater than some of our parts. All you guys are amazing, but recognize when we all get together something magical happens. And that's exactly what your mind is all about meeting people talking about ideas, talking about concepts and wondering about the wide cosmos around us. Thank you, each and every one of you for being part of this tonight. And each and every night in the podcast feed, shout out the podcast feed. I know most of you don't get a chance to pop in and listen live, you listen tomorrow, the next day, whatever. So we appreciate you and thank you for being part of this larger community. And the ideas, like I said, it's always about ideas here and less about people more about ideas. Until, of course, you get all these amazing people together and look what happens. The ideas multiply. That's what I live for it. And I'm glad that everybody's willing to sort of consider things that are beyond the mainstream. 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Go follow all those amazing folks. 95% plus of that stuff down there's free people doing podcast people doing YouTube channels, doing all manner of things. So please go follow those individuals. There are a few people down there selling books and you guys are welcome to be on that list. Blind Psychonaut will get him on that list when he sends me a we're working on a link tree for him. Look forward to that. And like I said, it's a big club. You're in it. Remember how George Carlin said it's a big club and you aren't in it? Well, this is a big club and you are in it. So just help it in a small one small little way and listening and spreading the word is the way to do that. And you're on you're on you're in the club. You're in the big 10 conspiracy club. The troubled minds club. That's that spread the word. That's the easiest way spread the word. Let people know a conversation is happening. But we're not going to talk about who to vote for. We're not going to talk politics directly because they're talking points or nonsense. It's nonsense. It's false choices put in our faces and we're led to believe that all this stuff is gospel. But let me tell you what, it is nothing of the sort. That's why we blaze our own path and that's exactly that spread the word. Let people know a conversation is happening. That's not going to be part of the mainstream nonsense. What else if you will help trouble minds directly? Like I said, links are in the description down below. I do work a day job to do this and I've been doing this for years and years and years six plus years now seven years coming up in April. So it's time to make this or break this. If you guys want to spend a few bucks and skip a coffee for the month or something, all those links are down there. I would appreciate it very much. I do put a ton of work into this, as you know, so I appreciate any help you can give. As James always says that he's right, never expected but always appreciated and thank you for that. As we finish, it goes exactly like this. Be sure, be strong, be true. Thank you for listening. From our trouble minds to yours. Have a great night. We'll see you on a Tuesday night, which is debate night, by the way, talking politics. I'll have the debate on here. I won't be listening, but I'll have it on so I can see their stupid faces as they make stupid faces at each other. But yeah, we'll see you on Tuesday night and I promise you, we will not be talking politics. I'll see you then. Have a fantastic one, Michael Strange. A message paid for by veterans for all voters. Listen to this message from Ted Delacath, former Army infantryman and Ranger qualified platoon leader active in the Army reserves. When I enlisted in the Army, I sworn oath to this country, not any political party. 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