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Out Now 592: Beetlejuice Beetlejuice
This week, on Out Now with Aaron and Abe, we're talking Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. Aaron, I triple-dog dare you to say it one more time. Beetle breakfast? (dramatic music) We are now recording, and this is Out Now with Aaron and Abe. I am Aaron and as always, this is Abe. Hello, how are you, Aaron? I'm doing well. I had a nice Sunday, actually. I got up early and went to look for a walk on the beach. It was already like 80 plus degrees outside, but it was nice. So I had that going. I'm glad you didn't run and change our beach trails. Oh, yeah, it's really hot down there in LA. It's a heat wave that's going on right here, yes. We're going to get that too. Yeah, how are you doing? I am doing well. Thank you for asking. Same old Sam mold. It is hot inland, but cooler toward the coast. So back to you with sports, Aaron. Good, thank you. Well, the Rams probably played a game at some point in the pre. I think they're playing right now. Nailed it. Yeah, one of the two best California football teams I say. Boo. Actually, I don't know what your other is. So maybe I'll reserve the booze. The Chargers. Boo. (laughing) I bet to say one of the two best LA football teams. There you go. Okay, thank you. I will accept that. I fucked up the joke. (laughing) Anyway, what do we do? Out now is a film podcast where Avon had discussed new movies weekly. We tickets a film via Vosa Square, for your view. The occasional commentary tracker, some other popular topic. This is episode 592, 592. We've already talked about some of the 600 stuff. We've got some stuff over us leave. We've got some ideas coming. But right now, oh man. We're going to talk about Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. That is the movie we're discussing today. And we're going to say that name a lot. So I don't know how he responds. If you hear it, like does he appear everywhere? We'll find out. But we're going to say these words over and over again and see where that takes us. And joining us to discuss Tim Burton's Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice we have from Fast Film Reviews. Fifth place finisher at the 12th annual Sarah movie Gamble. But maybe next year he'll jump in the line and rock the gamble in time. It's Mark Hoeben. Hi everyone. Hey, it's great to be here. Hi, Mark. How are you doing? I'm doing great. I'm looking forward to discussing Tim Burton's latest. Yeah, for sure. I think we've-- it's been a couple of months since we last day. How was your summer? Very nice. It was relaxing. And it got-- not-- we didn't go anywhere like far away. But it did a lot of day trips and just enjoying the nice weather. Very good. Great. Good to hear. Let's get to hear. Yeah, for sure. Well, let's get into things. Let's get some show notes. First up, commentary tracks. We finished off our international summer, where we went over to various countries, to do commentaries for very some celebrating anniversaries. We talked about Run Lola Run. We discussed Chunking Express. And we powered on with Kiki's Delivery Service. And now we're back to having no theme in particular, just ideas for things we'll talk about. And this month, in honor of Tim Burton's latest film, we're talking Ed Wood, which happens to also be celebrating its 30th anniversary, right? This month, in fact. Well, then I have to get a home loan. It's almost like I figured that out and said, yes, that's a good idea. But yeah, Ed Wood is the next plan. And I'm excited to talk about that movie, because who doesn't like Ed Wood? Badly one, probably somebody. There's one person. There's one person that's like 96% on riding tomatoes. [LAUGHTER] But yeah, that's literally the plan. I'm excited to talk about that with the other guys as well. What else, Abe? Yes. I have a surprise for you. Uh-oh. Why say, uh-oh, it's a surprise. He should be excited. Who knows? Who knows? What if it was something bad? That'd be terrible. Then the uh-oh would be-- then would be Ward did it? I think he's saying that your surprises are usually bad, Aaron. Oh, I don't like hearing that at all. I wouldn't use the word surprise. I'm on pins and needles right now. We have a new iTunes review. Boom. You got a little chunk chocolate boom. If you yell it loud, you can't hear it on Zoom. You have to be less about it. Boom, double chunk chocolate boom. This one is titled, "Love the banter and the knowledge, exclamation point, five stars." OK. It's by awake at night always. And he or she, or they write, several things that I like about this podcast include the fact that the suggestions of the films that I am not familiar with is just awesome and the banter between the hosts is insightful and absolutely hilarious. For anybody who loves movies, this is definitely a podcast that you want to listen to. I appreciate the set of words there. I appreciate that Aaron brings all the movie knowledge and I bring on the fun banter. I am famously unfund, so it is good that we balance it out that way. Which is why I was like, is this bad news? Oh, God, where is this bad news? Look back. No, never mind, never mind, never mind. Reset, reset, reset, back to what, back to what? But no, thank you very much for that review. It was great to get nice reviews on the iTunes. And also, thank you to all the people that have been pushing the stars on Spotify. Thank you so much for that too. For sure, exactly. If you can't really leave a review on Spotify, but thank you for pushing those buttons. Can't you? There's not like a space for it. I haven't seen it, but we do have some like, you know, I think we're like 4.7 stars on Spotify. Pretty good, pretty good, pretty good, pretty good. I will say, I hope this leads to a new flurry of iTunes reviews. But that said, regardless of how you feel about our show, if you want to log on to iTunes, search for our show out now. No, never mind, it's just five stars. That's all right. There you go. See, look at you being the pessimist over here. That and a thousand here. I'm sitting there like Ed Wood, like, it's great. And you're like, I like Ed Wood too. Mark likes Ed Wood. We all three like Ed Wood. As I'm established, who does it? That one guy gave it a run. Probably Marcus. Not enough sweaters. What? I'm just curious. Well, it's too, it's too black and white. What the runs was, boy. What's the score? 92% pretty good. Yeah. All right. And it's great ensemble. I mean, so many good performances. Oh, for sure. There's like three lines that by Bill Murray alone that always pop into my head that just like kill me every time. I can't wait to watch this movie. Anyway, if you want to log on to iTunes and for Spotify, it's search for our show about now there. And you can do exactly what just happened. You could write a review saying whatever you want to, whether it's a math formula, a recipe for some kind of cookie, or just nice words. And we will read it on the show because we have nothing but time. That's right. We're like John Goodman and fallen. Time is on our side. Exactly that example. We are just like John Goodman in the horror film from director Grand Prix Hoplet. Somehow, I know that name offhand. That was great. From 1999, solid. And we did a commentary at it once. It's one of the rare commentaries where it's two hours. And Scott and Brandon and I were just like, we're talking a lot. But there's only so much we can say about fallen. So I like, I edited in me saying trivia from INDB after the fact, to fill in the gaps. Because you can't edit out gaps in a comment. It's a good track. There you go. What else? Well, of course, last week, we recorded the result show for our 12th annual ceremony gamble. That was for all the participants participating. Yes, thanks once again to all the participants participating. But of course, that's a fun way to go over the summer as a whole. So if you haven't listened to that already to find out who won, be sure to tune in and enjoy that one. All right, let's get to some business here. Let's do some add-up things. Great, Mark. Each one that we will be talking about. Do I have a wiki? Should I mark? It's good. Let's have you with us. Pretty good. Mark, what have you seen recently? Well, at the theater, not a whole lot. But one thing I did see recently was a frayed. And that was the sort of horror movie about AI gone wrong. And I will say, well, first of all, it's not good. But it does start out intriguing. And I do think they have an interesting idea where the AI really makes their lives kind of wonderful. I mean, it does exactly-- there's one part where it takes care of this form that the mother has to file. And these kinds of things can be sort of difficult in this sort of in a bureaucratic way. And it solves that problem. And there's a lot of other little things. It seems to be babysitting the kids in a way that takes care of their meals and entertaining them. And she has all this extra time to work on her doctorate and stuff. But then it just sort of-- it kind of goes wrong very quickly. And then it just kind of rushes to a conclusion. And it's just kind of silly. It doesn't have a whole lot of sense or anything. And so unfortunately, what could have been something kind of intriguing-- I mean, it's actually very well shot. And it looks good. And it's well acted. I mean, John Cho and Catherine Waterston are very believable and sincere. So it has the look of a quality effort. It just doesn't end up in that space. And unfortunately, it is pretty forgettable. It also, I should mention, has David Dals-Mauschen in a small role as one of the owners of the company that the AI comes from. And I will say, as much as I think this movie's dumb, I do think every time he appeared, he certainly lit up things a bit. His weird energy just gave this a new spark. And I'm like, OK, this is fun. I enjoy this. It has some intriguing casting decisions. Keith Carradine shows up as his boss. Keith Carradine also has a fun bit where essentially he gets bought out, essentially. And he keeps talking about, how rich they made me. Oh, my god, I'm so rich right now. Like, I wanted to play like a drinking game to how many times he explained that he was so rich because of him being bought out. It's very fun. Yeah. There was an interesting plot thread about a deep fake scandal that the daughter experiences, but they just didn't develop that. In fact, the parents aren't even aware that she's experiencing this at school. So that, I don't know, could have been handled a little bit more, I don't know, intrigued, you know, better. But it just, they just, unfortunately, it sadly didn't really delve into the concept like they could have. You're not wrong about it being like designed well enough. And it makes me wonder, like, I assume there's studio stuff here, because a movie like this doesn't become less than 80 minutes and gets dumped at the end of summer because everything went the way it was supposed to. So I'm like, what, what possible problems were there with this movie before or whatever happened to it happened to it? I just don't know. Yeah, it got too real. There's like, oh, they're taking our mojo here. Yeah. But yeah. Can we talk about TV shows? Yes, go for it. OK. What do you want? So I rarely do this, but I am watching only mirrors in the building. It just started its fourth season. And I really enjoyed the-- I've seen-- there's two episodes so far. I've seen them both. But the first episode really was creative and quite funny. If you're familiar, I'm sure you guys are. But I'll just-- for the people who may not be aware, they have a podcast and they solve, obviously, as the title implies, murders that happen in the building in which they live. And their podcast has become popular. And now, in the beginning of the fourth season, they're going to do a movie version of their podcast. And they've cast-- so it's Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Selena Gomez are the stars. And now, they've met the actors who will play them. And they will be played by Eugene Levy, Zach Galifianakis, and Eva Longoria. And they really exploit that to a lot of comedic effect. I really enjoyed their conversations that they had with their doppelgangers as they were. So yeah, I'm really excited about the new season. I agree. I am a fan of the show. And I look forward to seeing where it goes. I will say, as funny as the show is, I do like when it hits its dramatic beats. And it gives Steve Martin a couple of things to play with for reasons based on what the plot is, that I appreciate as far as him as an actor it goes. But no, it's certainly a very entertaining show for sure. Yeah, I can watch Steve Martin and Martin Short, just the two of them, sit in a room and talk, and I'll be entertained. So them actually doing a story is even more captivating. And it's certainly like jam-packed with like Meryl Streep's back from the past. Camail Nanjani is in here now, Richard Kind is in here now. Like there's just like-- Everything's better with Richard Kind in there. Everything's better with Richard Kind. Yes. So yeah, it's got a cavalcade of stars for that show for sure. A lot of like Molly Shannon's in there. Like there's just a ton of people. There are a lot of people in here now. Molly Shannon. Anything else, Mark? No, that's it. All right, Eva, about you. I watched "Robel Ridge" on Netflix. Yeah, let's talk about it. Yeah, should we-- we might do something later, I don't know. But I think it's actually a really good movie. I think it's actually really solid from what it's approaching both the standpoint of like the death of the American small town, but also a cause and effect type movie where it's like, hey, man, if you don't want none, don't start none kind of thing. I really dig that it is very no nonsense about what it's trying to accomplish, both from a practical standpoint of I'm trying to help my cousin out, and then also from the repercussions that come in hand. And then I actually really enjoyed that Anzephi Rob, who at last saw in like the Charlie and Jack LePacher movie, I was like, she's turning a pretty solid performance here. That's poor. You saw her the way way back. Yeah, that's right, yeah, that's right, yeah, yeah. She's like, wow, that's a long time ago. Yeah, but no, but I appreciate that she has like a character arc that I could really get behind basically every movie character in this film. Even like, I think the performance are really, really solid. Don Johnson doing his bit part stuff these days, whether that be like knives out or his part in Watchmen is like a pretty critical role, but this is very evokes that sort of performance from Watchmen. But I think it's really solid. It's kind of a bummer. I think this would have done pretty well in the box office if it actually had been released in theaters. You know, I've talked about like the ups and downs of some Netflix release movies. It's certainly one of them that is a solid contender for just like a straight up good movie, that and XLF. So good on Netflix for having it. But yeah, Jeremy Salm, yeah. Yeah, Salm yay, great work there. Again, really has compelling characters, a pretty tight script, really, really interesting filmmaking for what he's doing just from whether it's thematic. But a lot of parts kind of line up with his shots and then kind of like foretelling and foreshadowing kind of stuff. So yeah, I think it's really solid. You should go check it out if you haven't. I'm very happy you watched this this weekend because this could be fucking rules. I was so pleased by this. I had the privilege of seeing it in a theater. Oh, and you've seen the movie. You know there are several moments where things happen and you like, you're happy that they happen. The crowd erupts a lot. And it's like, it's such a good audience film. Yeah, and I agree with everything you said. I think that but outside of like the kind of prestige acquisitions from like Scorsese or what have you, I think this is one of the best Netflix originals that has come from their lineup of stuff. It's so good. Aaron Pierre, I think, is ready to be a movie star and he's going to be-- Has he been in anything that I would have seen? He's in the-- I have to look it up, doh, hand. No worries, no worries. There's a few things. He's in the Underground Railroad from Barry Jenkins and he's in Mufasa, which is coming from Barry Jenkins. Oh, he's an old, awesome. He's been sized to tan and old, of course, who could forget? Oh, yes. OK, the rapper, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Big sized kid. Sorry. Can I just say, I actually, in the middle of watching that movie, as we speak, I broke to record this podcast and I'm going to finish it when I-- OK. So I'm sort of not-- I'm enjoying it, but I can't give a full review until I finished it. But it's reminding me a little bit, it's giving me vibes of the Legend of Billy Jack and maybe I'm thinking of the old version, but "Walking Tall" from 1973. I mean, it's first blood. It's first blood. I mean, it's doing first blood, and then it's taking another direction. And it's definitely a walking tall, for sure, yeah. What I outlawed Josie Whales. What I like is when you ask these questions of could you make these movies today? And here's a perfect example of how you update something for modern times and go your own direction with it. And let alone what it's doing, where it's not outright pointing fingers, but it's about a black man that rides into town and gets immediately run off the road and accused of stuff. I mean, it's not subtle. Again, yeah, it really gets to where it's going right away, too, and I appreciate that. There's not a whole lot of fat on this movie. And the tension is great. The way it ramps up tension really gets poor, too. He's got the right tone where he's never like raising his voice. He's just quietly, you know, uh-huh. Yes, he's just trying to get on his way, yeah, exactly. And people keep messing with them. So yeah. But yeah, really, really solid. Mark, I'd be curious to hear your read, your review when you're sitting there. But yeah, and beyond that, football is back. So, you know, Aaron, I'll continue. It's where they have, like, this oblong-shaped object, and they carry it for 10 yards at a time until they get to what is called a home run. And then that home run is worth six points. And then the extra kick, which is called a playoff, is worth one point, and they get seven points. Well, I'm glad you would never leave me a straight. So thanks for filling me in on how that works. Like, Grand Slam. Anything else? That should be the thing that we just do for now. We just, like, say random sports terms throughout. But no, sports and, and Reveridge hit it. All right, well, I've seen a few things. I did watch Reveridge, I already mentioned, and I also watched Red Rooms. A lot of alliteration this week on the podcast. Red Rooms? Rooms. Red Rooms, you know. This is a, it's a horror movie in terms of, that's what we're calling it. But it's hard to, like, say it's a traditional horror movie. What it is, it's a French-Canadian film. It follows the court trial of someone that's accused of some heinous crime. And it follows a woman who appears in the court as an observer. And we find out that she's basically obsessed with this case and what's going on with it. And it'll go from there, and I don't want to describe too much of where it goes from there. But it's unnerving, very tense, and very interesting. I think it was pretty, pretty solid. I know Professor Mike Dillon, this is his favorite horror film of the year, as he said. Oh, that's why it sounds familiar. Yeah, yeah, I was a fan. I just don't want to get too far into it, but it's a really well-done movie. And that's a, like, super limited release right now. I assume it'll be streaming so much soon enough. But Red Rooms, it's a good one. I also, speaking of rooms, I watched The Front Room. This is the new horror film starring Brandy, in terms of, by default, her best horror movie. Beating out, I still know what you did last summer, of course. And Catherine Hunter, who was last seen in the tragedy of Macbeth. Yes, yeah. Well, she was in that one movie with the Academy Award winner, Emma Thompson, too, right? Or Emma Stone. Yes, she was in poor things. Poor things, thank you, yeah. Notably, in Macbeth was what I was telling her, correct. Now she's here as the stepmother from hell. She moves in with Brandy and her husband, who are having, expecting a baby. And Catherine Hunter makes, so she's an old southern woman, very racist, very old-fashioned, very conservative. And she makes their lives living hell. There's not a lot to this beyond, like, its basic ideas. And you can lean in on what the themes are yourself. But Catherine Hunter's a riot in this movie. Like, she's a rioter, okay. She is so messy. She is such a, like, she always adds a quirky, you know, aesthetic to her performances. Yes, and it very much comes through here in Spades. Like, there's so much that she's putting into this thing, where it's hard for me to say, like, it's not a great movie. It's barely a good movie, but it's certainly worthwhile for... It really sounded me on this here. It's worthwhile for what Catherine Hunter's doing as far as... If you come across the front room on, you know, streaming somewhere, it's a one to give a watch to just based on this performance. Sorry. Is it comedic? It's comedic as far as, like... Because the trailer gave me those vibes. Yeah, no, it's certainly, it's very arch. Like, you're certainly going to be entertained by what's taking place. There's like, it's, it's, it would be fitting in the horror genre, but it's like Hagsploitation type horror. Okay. Like, so it's, it has other things going on. It's certainly like playing into like a, not quite Rosemary's Bay, because it's not like the devil, but like, it certainly has a certain kind of tone that's... It's kind of like, yeah, it's kind of the vibe that I was getting when I saw the trailer, like Rosemary's Baby-ish. Like, there's, there's a tension that comes in there that's usually like uncorked because of the, the crazy things this woman is doing and saying. It's also kind of gross at times because she's an elderly woman who plays up the fact that she does things that certain elderly people do. Okay. It makes it hard for Brandy to have to deal with the ones she's on her own. Brandy. Got it. Okay. So yeah, that's that movie. Did you mention it's, it's directed by Max and Sam Eggers. Yes, the writers are Robert Eggers. Robert Eggers, yeah. He's got two other brothers. Yes, two other brothers. And they, they're, they're all movie directors. They're also in the movies. Yeah, they, they co-wrote the lighthouse with him. I mean, oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is their, their effort on their own. Okay. Very cool. You could, you could see that in there, like not, you know, it's not the witch, but you can, you can see the Eggers, such a bit in there. If you like kind of look, they kind of all have like a very similar sensibility or like a, a tour style. There's some stuff in there that feels very, felt very familiar. Like as I was watching it, it, I did have a certain kind of, I can't, I'm seeing, and then when the names go, I was like, oh, that makes sense. Well, I, I only watched the thicket. This is a new Western, sorry, Peter Dinklage and Juliet Lewis. Okay. It's been a passion project for Dinklage. It's based off a novel. He's been involved with this thing for a good number of years until they finally were able to make it. It, he plays a bounty hunter who is helping out a young man try to find his, his, his kidnap sisters and kidnap by Juliet Lewis, who plays this note, this notable outlaw, this, he's a vicious person. Um, and so we kind of follow the dual storylines of Peter Dinklage and the others in his group trying to find Juliet Lewis's character and what, what Lewis's character and their, her band of outlaws are doing. It's set like at the very end of the, of, of like the old West Times, like it's set like early 1900s, as like, as the movie starts, there's like eats, like early vehicles, including like an early version of a motorcycle and stuff. And it's like, this is neat because it's, it's almost like dystopian because of where it's set in a very, I want to say, like, Pacific North, West type areas. So it's not like, like the, the Southwest. It's like, you know, like, like I said, Pacific Northwest. So it has a certain kind of feel to it that maybe at first I was like, wait, is this dystopian? I said, no, it's okay. It's still like the past, but it's just like a certain very specific time in there. And it's quite effective. I like this movie as a Western. I, I, I think, uh, I think Dinklage makes very interesting choices as an actor as far as having basically like a pass to do whatever he wants because he'll be rich for ever his life after Game of Thrones. So like when he chooses a movie, I generally am interested in what he's choosing because he, he wants to do it essentially. And no, I like this quite a bit. I think, uh, I think the acting from everybody involved is quite good. And it's a, by the way, it's a to be original. Hey, we've, we've kind of tinkering with some to be stuff lately. We've been doing around with some TVs. I don't know if it's their first like original feature that's all, that's like gone to theaters. But it is like, it's a, if that's what it is, a to be original. So all good. They're like, great. The magic release from to be, um, but yeah, you know, more power to it. I've done, uh, we've been away for a couple of weeks as we did the summer gamble last week. So I still have a few more things. I'll go through them quickly, but I watched Adam Sandler love you. We do Adam Sandler special. Special. Directed by. Which safty, not the one that acts. No, no, yeah, yeah, it's, it's not Benny. It's the other Josh, Josh, safty. Yeah. This is great. This is like my favorite thing Adam Sandler's done in a while at this point. Like, I don't know about since uncut gems, but certainly like, it's very favorable to the comedies he's done since uncut gems. Not including that Bob Mitzvah movie, but that's not really an Adam Sandler movie. It's his daughter. This, this, it's a stand up special. It's directed by safties. It has a certain, there's an intro to it. And there's kind of stuff that happens within it that are staged to a degree. But for the most part, it's just him being very Adam Sandler in his, you know, 50s or whatnot. And he's like wearing his baggy clothes and he's on stage, the small, small ish crowd. Yeah. And the way he's delivering his jokes and like his material, it's so like casual. And it's very inviting. And it's what it's, he's handling it away where he's basically throwing it all away. Every time he says a line, it's very much, he's not making it seem like he's trying and he's not making it seem like he's trying to not make it seem like he's trying, if you do what I mean. Like it's very natural. And it's hilarious. Like I, I saw this like two weeks ago now at this point. I was still laughing at it the next day, just thinking about bits through it. I was like, yeah, is he doing something interesting? Like, like inter splicing other types of shows into one? No, it's one, it's one evening. One location. Yeah. It's one location. It's not like his previous one, where he was like, it was like a road show. It was like a road show thing together. This is just one, one event. If it's combined from multiple events, I would, I don't think it is though. It looks like it's just one, a one take thing. And it works. I was really, I was a really big fan of it. I watched 1992. This is the LA riots. Oh, this movie. Starring Tyrese. Yes. It's really Yoda from beyond the grave. Really Yoda from behind. He's still, he's still doing it. He's still still. I'm glad. No, there's a commitment. He's got them all lined up. That's right. So, this is how this is not committed to Hollywood. He was fellas. There are two movies here. One is about Tyrese being like an ex-con who's doing, trying to do good by himself so he can do good for his estranged son. And it happens to be set on. On April 29th on Tuesday when the Rodney King riots are starting. And there's another movie that features really Yoda and block of what, I mean, Scott Eastwood, where they're going on a heist at the place the Tyrese happened. It works out because Scott Eastwood, block of wood. Good one. Good one. I will say he's fine in this movie. He's generally been better than I've seen him in other things as of late. The problem with this thing, because separately, these are decent movies. The riot movie is fine. The heist movie is fine. It's when they decide, "Okay, now these two things need to combine." Then I'm like, "Okay." And it makes me wonder why even make a movie about the riots of 1992. Like halfway through the movie, it just ditches those events. So, go to this secluded location where the heist is taking place. After having done nothing to really say anything about the riots. So it's like it's doing a two convergent to a certain point of the movie. They just converge into the movie that has nothing to do with the title of the movie. Interesting. And it's choice. It's a choice. And like I think Tyrese, I've said, I liked Tyrese in general as far as his work in the past of various movies. The last one, maybe not so much. But as a dramatic actor, I've always enjoyed it. I think Baby Boy was a great thing for him. I think he saw it in Four Brothers, which is a mix of things. You know, like waist deep and other like random things like that. I've always liked him as a persona. '90s, early 2000s, series was trying stuff. So he's not bad here. He's playing a dramatic role. And Ray Liotta is doing, you know, he's being angry against Tyre, obviously. And the movie itself is just kind of like nothing special. Which is a shame because it's like, there's something you can do with the idea of having a heist on the night of the riots except the movie has just nothing to say about anything. So it's like that. Okay. Oh, it's unfortunate. But it's like, well, I go through all the effort to make this like period piece. If you have this, like nothing to offer to the period and time that your place was being in. We directed that one. I believe the name is Ariel Verleman. I know it. I mean, it stars really out. It's obviously shot a little while ago. Right. And, you know, it's been dumped out at the end of August here. But like it has, it has decent reviews. I was going into it. I was like, okay, maybe this won't just be like an August dump movie. And it's like, yeah, okay, it has stuff that works. But overall, it's like, okay, didn't really add up to it. I just want to interject really quickly. Ariel Verleman has directed a movie called The Criminal, which stars Kevin Costier and Gary Olin, Tommy Lee Jones. Yeah, good work. I mean, that came out in the theaters and bombs, particularly. Yeah, totally. But I'm going to say like, man, he's whoever's casting his movies job. Okay. So last thing. I watched Lee Daniels, Lee Daniels, The Deliverance. Yeah, it's okay. I'm excited to hear what you got to say about it. And so I'm a hard press to say is this is best film since Precious, because it could be, but it's not like the movies since Precious have been all that good. That said, it's not like this movie is doing a whole lot better either. It very much leads to the things that I've seen Lee Daniels do, which is take like every black stereotype possible and layered into a heavy melodrama, except this time it's a horror movie. It is more a drama, melodrama, really, for like a good three-fourth movie before it finally becomes supernatural. That said, there's stuff that happens that like, you know, it's a horror movie, but the horror stuff really doesn't kick into gear until the end. Andrew Day is quite good doing what she needs to do here. She was obviously, she was the star of his last week with the Billie Holiday movie. And she's doing the work here, but also Glenn Close. I mean, yes, I'll say this. I like her better here than as mama in He'll Billie Elegy. Nobody liked that movie. So no, I mean, she got an Academy Award nomination for it. Yeah, I mean, it recently jumped back into the Netflix top 10 for some reason. I don't know why. I'm not really sure why. I mean, Netflix was just doing people a service saying this is the guy. And then he's been out in the world doing being himself and it's all, you know, so. And yeah, all right. So, but good interesting movie is interesting performance from Glenn Close. Glenn Close is doing the work. Everyone's doing like, that's the thing about Lee Dandelion. Like going over doing it. Yes, but not like, you know, she's not talking about good terminators, bad terminators. It's a Lee Dandel's meeting that everything is so over the top of this thing. I can't say I was bored, but I wouldn't say it's a good movie either. So that's a fair fight. That's fine. Yeah. That's kind of the way I felt about the paper boy. It's not exactly good, but it is. It's hard to be bored because there's just so much stuff happening. Sure. You know, it's a lot of movie. That's for sure a lot. Yes. Got it. All right. It's a lot of movie. Yeah. All right. So that's a nice week. Great mark. Let's move on. Now let's get us out of my trailer talk. We're talking about some of the news. We showed this week when they're coming out. What we thought of it would have you this. We got other verses here. We got two moves to pit against each other. Very similar, of course, because we have Lee one L's Wolfman. And we have Marya Heller's Night Bitch. Yeah. That title. At first, I thought it was Nightcoma Bitch. Like it was Good Night Bitch. Good Night Bitch. But no, it's Night Bitch. All one word. Both titles are very literal. Wolfman is obviously a new update of the Wolfman. Sure. Coming from Lee Wannell, who previously did an update of The Invisible Man. And of course, Night Bitch is about a stay-at-home mom, who presumably turned the job for reasons. Go through some stuff. But as I mentioned, directed by Marya Heller, who's coming off of a beautiful day in the neighborhood. And can you ever forgive me? Yep. So both directors that have found various for his success. Night Bitch stars Amy Adams, Wolfman features Christopher Abbott, Julie Garner. So it was the person that was originally tied to it and then had to drop out. So it was originally going to be directed by Derek Cian France, who brought on Ryan Gosling. Ryan Gosling. So it would be a place beyond the Pine's reunion. They both left. It was initially offered to Lee Wannell, based on the success of The Invisible Man. He declined it. Then that didn't happen. Now he's back on board here. Got it. Night Bitch is based on a novel by Rachel Yoder. And it's literally just premiered at the Toronto Film Festival, receiving various forms of reviews. With all of this in mind, I want to ask you guys, hey, Mark, we'll start with you. Which of these two films are you more excited for? Well, I would say Night Bitch. And am I just going to talk about them together? Yeah, please. So I have to look at the release date for Wolfman. And it's January 17th. That is one of the worst release dates, January, always. So I don't have high expectations for this film. I mean, I don't think even the studio does, or they wouldn't be releasing it in that month. However, I do like Lee Wannell. I mean, I did enjoy The Invisible Man. So if he continues on that high, then I think I might enjoy it. But yeah, the funny thing too is I guess Christopher Abbott and Julia Garner are supposed to be playing people that we are sympathetic towards. But as great of an actress, as Julia Garner is, she's often a very prickly personality in her role. So I don't know if I would really feel that bad if I saw her attacked by a Wolfman or something. - Mark, words. - Mark, yes. That's actually a tribute to her abilities. 'Cause she's just a tough person. I mean, she acts tough anyway. - Yeah, she's got some hard characters she's playing. - Yeah, now Night Bitch is being released in December, which is a very prime time where they suspect that it may get awards and things like that. And I think that is the hope. It is directed by Mariel Heller, who did, what was the one? Can you ever forgive me, which I really enjoyed? I also thought that the Diary of a Teenage Girl had some interest to it. And then she also did a beautiful day in the neighborhood. But can you ever forgive me as really my favorite of hers? And it does have Amy Adams in it, who I think is a good actress. The trailer is odd and it's just quirky enough to get me intrigued that this doesn't look like some cliched thing. It looks like something that is creative. And so I am excited about that. So I'm hoping that will be good. I don't know if the trailer sold me that it will be great, but I am intrigued. - Okay. It's hard for me to choose one or the other 'cause they both present themselves to be pretty interesting. I think that if you were to ask me to specifically just have one verse to the other, I would also very be curious about Night Bitch, primarily because of all the things the market said, but also from what I've heard about it and then from what I've kind of been reading very fragmented things online, I think that's gonna be a very fascinating look at the the mundaneness of motherhood, but also like the how it can drive somebody perhaps probably not bad-y, but up the wall if things are just always the same constantly over and over and over again. And I'd be curious to see how that plays out. I know that the trailer kind of had made a splash of people were saying like, "This looks like a hilarious movie." I thought it was gonna be an award contender for gal Amy Adams. And I was like, "I don't know what you guys are saying "because this does look like a awards contender piece "for Amy Adams. "It looks like she's gonna be doing a lot of things here." On the flip side, like man, Lee Wannell, he made "The Invisible Man." I wasn't expecting much out of "The Invisible Man." It turned out to be an incredible, before the pandemic started kind of movie where it was this movie about domestic violence and then it had some really incredible visual imagery in it, including like a gasp out loud type of moment for my theater and for myself in it. And when I'm watching the trailer for "The Wolfman," I find it very striking 'cause I can, I don't know much about it, but if it is going down this pathway of how things within a family can be murky or how there could be like abuse at home, that'd be very fascinating. 'Cause if Wannell is trying to like key into some of these things here, great, fantastic. He's always bringing more to the table than expected. So I'd be curious to see how that one plays out. But yeah, I mean, both are very exciting for me as options. And I hear what you're saying Mark about "The Lilly State," but yeah, I don't know. I mean, I kind of going off the strength of his last movie, but yeah, what about you, Aaron? - "The Lilly State" is negligible to me when it comes to horror movies. "The Wolfman" is not trying to win awards, so it doesn't need to come out in December. - December, yeah. Like, it's a horror film. That's something a universe can plug whenever they want to, and then they know it will make money as Bill's man came out in February. As far as like, I'm looking at these two things. If you look at the ingredients of them, I agree with you, Abe, it's hard to choose because I think "Mary the Hellers" made really good films. And Lee Wannell's impressed me with both "Invisible Man" and "Upgrade" for that. - Oh yeah, that's right. - Yeah. - The strength of "Invisible Man" is so solid that I'm like, yes, let him do more universal monster movies. I'm down for that. If I'm going on what I've seen in both of these trailers, easily it goes to "Wolfman" for because I think it's a great trailer where "Nightbitch" I think is a bad trailer. I don't like the trailer at all. It got me less excited for the movie. You know what I'm saying? - Yeah. - Like on its own, I was like, that's neat and it's called "Nightbitch." That's what we're going with that. That good for the studio. - Strong title that nobody's gonna forget. - It's good on the good on. Is it "Anapurna" and "Searchlight" for sticking with it. - And it's got "Scoot McNary" in there also, and I like "Scoot McNary." So it's like, there's plenty of things there like that I-- - "Speak no evil, scoot McNary." - "Speak no evil, scoot." The movie that everyone will know him for, forever, "Speak no evil." - Yeah, exactly. - A movie that's definitely coming out this next time. (laughing) 'Cause that day's been hampered into my head. "Speak the weevil day," as I call it. - "Nightcough night, Joe." But like, so, like on the surface, I guess I'm leaning wolf band, but it's like, I don't not expect a good movie from "Nightbitch." It just feels like it needs to like, it feels like it needs to earn it now as opposed to being be just to like walk in the door, can't wait 'cause like, that trailer I think is not great. - Okay. - But wolf band, it's like, yeah, all right, more of this. - Sure. - And I think Chris Rabbit is a, that's an interesting choice for a lead. That's not a traditional guy you get for like the lead role of one of these movies. - Sure. - If "Gostling" pulls out, it's like, what do you do is like, okay, that's actually an interesting choice. So we'll see. "Nightbitch" opens first in December, December 6th, probably the time it released, we sort of go on a wider night. A wolf man opens a wide in January on January 17th. So we will, shall see. - Yeah. - All right, let's move on, let's get to our, let's get to our main review for "Beetlejuice," "Beetlejuice." (dramatic music) - The living, the dead, can they coexist? (dramatic music) Now's my chance. - Ghost aren't real. Only goable people believe that kind of crap. I can't believe I'm doing this. - "Beetlejuice," "Beetlejuice," "Beetlejuice." (dramatic music) (laughing) - You need to help me save my daughter. But how do I know that you're gonna keep your word? - I swear I'm a dead brother, so... (dramatic music) - Mom, you and the boy stand guard, nobody gets through. - Okay, that should have been some of the travel for "Beetlejuice," "Beetlejuice." Let's go over some history. 1988's "Beetlejuice" was enough of a hit that sequels were actually fast-tracked right away. There were two ideas, "Beetlejuice in love," and my favorite, "Beetlejuice" goes "Hawaiian," which is called "Beetlejuice saving the deets family by winning a surf contest." Obviously, these never happened. Decades later, in 2012, Seth Grand-Smith was hired by WB, having just worked with Burton on "Dark Shadows" and Abraham Lincoln "Vampire Hunter" to write a new "Beetlejuice" sequel. Another decade passes, with the actors constantly claiming a film was in the works. Finally, in 2023, following the success of Wednesday, actual proof of this movie coming to be occurred, complete with a full cast, and added Wednesday writers Alfred Goff and Miles Melar. Now here we are with the results. Set 36 years after the original, that's tied with Top Gun Maverick for those keeping track. The death of Charles Deeds brings his wife Delia, his daughter Lydia, and his granddaughter Astrid, Ea, together for a funeral at the family home and went to river. Once there, Lydia begins having flashes of the maniacal bile exorcist "Beetlejuice," only for his name to be called out three times, bringing him back into the picture. Other antics ensue, eventually leading to a trip for some of our living leads into the afterlife. Mark, I wanna know, have you been a "Beetlejuice" fan? What'd you think of the sequel? - I have, so I saw the original "Beetlejuice" in the theater, I loved it, and I greeted the idea of a sequel with some trepidation, because I just thought how could anything really capture that lightning in a bottle again? And it doesn't. But while "Beetlejuice" doesn't revolutionize cinema, I do think that the charm and the little twists that they give to the jokes from the original make it a fun ride that was worth the wait. And I think a big part of this has to do with the ensemble cast that does return. I think Michael Keaton, Katherine O'Hara, and Winona Ryder, "Reprising the Roles," adds a lot. I think they're all there and giving their best. There's issues, though. And so, I think that cast would have been enough, but then it is overstuffed. With a lot of new characters, Monica Belucci is there, Willem Dafoe, Diana DeVito, Bernd Gorman, Arthur Conti, who plays Astrid's love interest, and also Santiago Cabrera, who plays Lydia's former husband. There's a lot going on in this. - Just to throw a row. - Yeah, well, so just to throw, I think, is part of the, I didn't mention him, 'cause I felt like he was actually part of the core group. I mean, he wasn't from the original, but he's actually an intrinsic part of the actual story that is going on in the main part. But anyway, so I did think it was overstuffed, and there is a lot. However, there are a lot of imaginative set pieces in this, and a lot of them do rely on the original. And for example, in the original, we have the "Dayo, the Banana Boat" song, and we do get a version of that in this, in sort of a much different, and I thought that was amusing the way they did that. And the account leans heavily into disco. We get "Tragedy" by the Bee Gees, which plays over a set piece with Monica Blucci, where she's kind of like reassembling her parts. And while I kind of enjoyed that little vignette, I still didn't really think that Monica Blucci needed to be in this movie. And then, more into the disco theme, there's this transport of the dead that is a literal soul train, and they're playing the theme song there. And then most memorably is MacArthur Park, not the Donna Summer version, which does play at the end credits, but the Richard Harris version, which actually came out first, and the song has the most bizarre lyrics ever, and of course, the movie dramatizes them in all its beauty in a climax that is fun, and I did enjoy it. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but it still was fun, and he's still giving us the practical effects, the aesthetic, the production design, is still like the original film. He's definitely got the money to put into this film, and it shows, and that goes a long way for me into enjoying it, because I think it is a quality effort. So while I do think it is a bit of a chaotic jumble, overall, it is a spirited sequel. - Hey. - That's a bomb. - A whole quilt for you, baby. - Peter just beat his juice. Spirited sequel, Mark Hogan. Fast film reviews. - TM. - Yeah. Thank you. - Can I do the TM part? - Well, you always say, you're saying trademark now, so I don't know. - Yeah, yeah. No, I'll switch it up, but I was like, "Did I do that?" But we did drill her. - You did. Okay, just make sure. - Babe, where are you with all the beetle juice that we've had? - Beetlejuice was a film that came out in 1988. I saw it probably when I was eight years old, so maybe like a fourth grade, third grade, and it is a movie that has stuck with me ever since, and this is the movie that is very formative in my early childhood. Because of the way that Tim Burton was able to do some of the practical effects on whether it'd be like Alec Baldwin doing a hand up his face, or stretching his nose, and then also the way that Junidavis is able to repuffer her face. But it informed a lot of the strangeness of Tim Burton, 'cause it reinforced a lot of it. I hadn't seen Peewee's big adventure yet, and I hadn't seen that before Christmas yet, so this is the movie that I was like, this is weird, but also I really dig its vibe, and I dig that there is a, I guess to some degree, a darkness that can be both, you and I talk with us all the time here, and there's inviting slash like, you know, what's the phrase that we use, like a Jordan Gateway horror? - Yeah, just some degree. - Yeah. So it can be kind of viewed as such when you take it on that level too, because there are parts in 1988 spudil juice that can be a little bit disturbing, and I dug that, and so going into this one, no real expectations, but I remember when we talked about the trailer, I was like, oh, I don't know. And then kind of walking into it and leaving it, it's very entertaining, but it doesn't really do like a whole lot, but I'm glad that it didn't go crazy over like perhaps what it could have done. And for that, I'm appreciative of it kind of having a central-ish story and keeping to that story. I know that Mark had mentioned a lot of different actors and actresses that are in this movie, but they don't really have a whole lot to do in it, and that's okay. 'Cause what I kind of dig about it is that it is, it's still a Beto juice story, and it kind of picks up from where some of the pieces left off in '88, but as far as like what he's trying to tell and do, I think it does lean back into some of the whimsiness of Tim Burton and some of the weirdness of his sensibilities and his style. It doesn't really achieve all of it the same way that I think that original Beto juice did, but it is entertaining enough, and I found that the distractions from the main storyline of Lydia Dietz trying to just do some stuff over in Winter Falls doesn't really get in the way. I think that there are really good compelling side characters here, whether that be Catherine O'Hara, kind of just like having a few lines here and there, just really delivering on her comedic timing. And Michael Keaton, I think he had said this in one of the releases or interviews that he talked about previously, but he really didn't want Beto just to have like too much screen time either. And I was kind of appreciative of that. - Which was like the original, yeah. - Yeah, and if that were the case, then I think that we've talked about this before too, where you have a sequel that is like bigger and bolder, but it's actually just, it kind of misses its mark. This one still manages to hit some of its mark, and where it does go a little bit, I think to some degree, Burton's kind of like digging at some of his past too, 'cause there's clearly a line here about Disney, and he just definitely was like, let me key into that. But on the whole, like it's entertaining. It doesn't really bring a whole lot in terms like themes about like death and the beyond and perhaps eternal love, but also it doesn't really have like a sense of finality with loss either, right? 'Cause there's like two different losses that kind of happened in this movie. So all to say is that it's funny, entertaining, it's pretty harmless, doesn't really move the needle for me too much though. - Beetlejuice is one that I've really enjoyed when I was young, I had the VHS, it was on constantly. We've talked about, every time we bring up Tim Burton movies, I talk about how I grew up with Tim Burton. Like I was a fan, my mom and I always saw his movies and theaters when he was making them. So, you know, Beetlejuice, yeah, I've enjoyed it, but I've also, you know, hearing about sequels and being, you know, talked about for years on end, my general reaction was always why. 'Cause as Mark you pointed out, it was lightning in a bottle. It's not like something you just do again, because why not? Like it seems like there's only so much to really offer. So yeah, seeing these trailers for the New Beetlejuice didn't get me excited about because frankly, I thought there was bad trailers. So walking into this movie, you know, I try to be as open-minded as possible, 'cause I want to like the movie that I'm going to see. And I will say this, it's not bad for the reasons I expected it to be bad. - Yeah. - It's bad for other reasons. - Okay. - It's not a super high nostalgia play that only does things that the original did, but, you know, slightly differently. It actually tries to go in other directions. That said, it's still the characters wearing the same clothes, having the same haircuts and saying the same lines in some instances where it's like, okay, that's standard, I guess. And even the plot when it eventually gets to it, because it takes a good 40 minutes to actually turn to a story, it leads up to another, here's a wedding and an ending and, like, it's like, it's not-- - Another wedding. - It's not doing a lot of difference. So suffice to say, I think the script for this is awful. I think Burton is certainly putting in the effort. I've heard a lot of, like, it's a return to four, but I wouldn't say that at all. I don't think he's, like, it's nice that because he's using an IP, he gets the budget he needs to do this, or else he just wouldn't be able to. But I wouldn't say he feels any more energized than he was making Miss Peregrine or Dumbo. It just happens to be involved in a movie that I'm geared towards liking more because it's this particular thing. That said, on the positive side, yes, the production design, I think, is excellent. The pre-use of practical effects and stop motion and makeup design and costumes. Like, all of that's on the ball. Like, it's not something I don't expect from Tim Burton and because of Beetlejuice, it's like, it's familiar, but it's not bad by any means. And the way they handle certain things using stop motion I was also a fan of. - Yeah. - Cast-wise, I mean, that's where we run into problems. Like, yes, that the returning players do the work. I think Catherine O'Hara's, I think, by default, the best returning star here. Mabel Keaton is doing Beetlejuice, but he's also 30 years older than when he lasted Beetlejuice and it kind of shows. He's not bad in the movie, but just like the manic energy that he had, he feels a lot slower. And it's like, yeah, he's pushing 80, you know? - He is, and that's not a slight to him. It's just, if I'm gonna think of all the wacky things Beetlejuice did, I'm not gonna think of this movie. I think it's just not coming up. - It helps, though, that he has all that makeup because it really does look relatively the same. You know, so it didn't, I wasn't struck by, oh, wow, you're so much older or you're moving so much slower. - I mean, honestly, I was, that's my issue. Like, I-- - I did have that. - I like the scenes with him in it because that's when the movie actually came alive. But for the most part, I was watching him as like, it's fun that you're doing this again, but I can tell that like, it's been a minute since you've done this. Regardless, he's not the issue. I have no issue of Michael Key doing a thing. He's my key, he can do whatever he wants to. The issue is I have him is with all this stuff that Marky brought up, all of these extra characters and the lack of any sort of simplicity. Instead, we're just like, it wants us to hang out with all this stuff, but at the same time, it's cramming so much stuff in it that I never get to. It never has any chance to breathe. Am I happy that the film's barely over an hour 40? Yes, 'cause I don't need two and a half hours of this nonsense, but at the same time, I like, you mentioned Balochi. Yeah, she has nothing to do in this movie. Defoe is certainly game to be having a good time, but he also offers nothing to this thing. But the thing is, here's the thing. I thought Willem Defoe was unnecessary, but at the same time, I did chuckle at what he was doing. I agree. And the little side glances that the woman that is, I don't know what her role was, but like-- Like a secretary? Assistant, something that's sort of checking him. Those were funny. So while I was sort of like, oh, I guess it's a tribute to Willem Defoe being the consummate actor that he is, he can sell the role and I can still enjoy it. But then at the end of the day, I'm like, but why? Why is he in this? And why is he in this? And that's less of my issue. If I'm gonna see just weird stuff in this movie, Willem Defoe doing this thing with a half of a head, cool. That's fine. I wish it meant more, but it doesn't. On the other hand, Justin throws here as Winona Ryder, as Lydia's boyfriend, producer. Two-star producer, yeah. And he's terrible in this movie. Like, I'd never laugh when he was doing stuff. Really? Except the truth serums. The truth is, that's really good. I love that. Actually, I wish that had come earlier because then I was like, oh, that explains so much. Like, now I get him. I mean, I got him before the chance serums. All right, but that's leading up to the other-- I like that, though. It's leading up to the other main issue I have, which is you have a movie about three generations of Deets women. You have Delia, Lydia, and Astrid. You're naming choice. I wish they stuck with the Rhyming Convention, but whatever. I'd like to think that a better screenplay could do service to these women being strong characters. Instead, Delia's just screaming about the husband the whole time. Lydia's fallen for this idiot producer who is clearly manipulating her. And the same goes for Astrid, who you have Jennifer Takeout and the press talking about strong female characters all the time. You hear characters just like a girl that gets duped by a boy really easily. And it's like, this is boring. This is boring stuff. Use this and that whole plot line, which at first, I was like, OK, that's actually neat. And it just doesn't-- it's resolved so quickly. But also, the twist that it has, I'm just like, that's lame. Like, you can't make a smarter character than this person. It feels like the writers, the three men that wrote this movie, gave up after draft one. And it's like, couldn't we do this like a few more times? And why did we say yes to this one after so many years of trying to develop a Beetlejuice sequel? This is what we settled on. I couldn't get into it. And if you want to talk about just being entertaining, again, there's visuals that I enjoyed. There's Michael Keaton doing stuff. There's like bits that I appreciated. But honestly, during the middle of this movie, I was bored. I was so bored to watch you watching this. Middle mean, like, when they're kind of just like being back in the house. The middle when it's back at the house, and they're like never deciding on having a plot because it doesn't for like a long movie or a long time of the movie for it finally is like, by the way, I guess we'll go to the afterlife and things will happen. Just it's so language, where the original-- just real quick, the original, I think, has a benefit of having Baldwin and Gina Davis as the human characters are following, where you're getting introduced to this world. And they are normal within the world. So there's something to bounce off of. This has no normal in it. So you're just watching goofy stuff that I don't think is handled that well. Yeah. It's been a while since I've seen the original, but I believe it ended sort of with Lydia Dietz being in sort of a happy place. And she's sort of like adopted by Alec Baldwin and Gina Davis as like her parents, like her new parents. And she's going to have like a normal life. And she's going to have a good trajectory. That's the feeling of it. And then I sort of thought, wait. It's like, well, no, let's just erase all that and just go back to her being, but sporting the same hair, the same. So I didn't think that despite the fact that I sort of overall enjoyed the film, I don't think it makes sense for that character. She didn't become the woman that she should have had. She had a lot more agency in the first one. That was my issue with the trailers, where I'm like, OK, so they're just, what? Nothing happened? Like there's nothing that she's exactly the same woman that she was. And the first one did not lead to that. It's an inherent problem with legacy sequels, where if you need to create a new plot line for decades later sequels, for a lot of not all of them, part of that generally requires upsetting a status quo that leaves somebody in a different place for the sake of the memberberries, for the sake of going backwards being like, see, remember that, remember when they did that? It has to go backwards in time. You can say that about Star Wars, the Force Awakens, for example, which is a very entertaining movie. But it is like, we don't feed it the Empire. Isn't that great? We could have a new government. Everything's going to be good now. No, Empire is back, actually. There's a new Darth Vader. Han Solo is still a scoundrel. He didn't settle down the play after all. It's like he ruined all of their hat. Luke is off doing whatever the fuck. And you ruined all of their happy endings for the sake of cash, for the sake of the $145 million this movie made at the opening weekend, that'll be the beat. - Hi, that's not bad. - It's amazing. I knew from the start, it'll make gobbles and gobbles of money because it has multiple generations of people that all grew up with Beetlejuice. - Yeah. - But why can't you beat that? - I will say, I think that's my issue. - I hear you on that front. I think that there's a lot of it that you guys are saying, it's overstuffed with a lot of things. And like what I was saying, there's just some stuff that they never really thematically get into. And it isn't fortunate because, again, while it is, it's like this recurring joke that Catherine of Hera is kind of just like, who's the dad in the first one? Charles, something like-- - Jeffrey Jones. - Jeffrey Jones. - Jeffrey Jones. - Thank you. - Yeah, Charles, Charles Deets. But Jeffrey Jones, obviously, you can read up on him, but doesn't bad stuff. But still, the way that they are introducing his character and the way that he is honestly like the truly like, the love of Delida Deets' life, that is something that you can actually springboard off of because there's another character, which is Lydia's husband, that is also like this eternal love type of situation, right? Where it's like, you know, even in the afterlife, like people are there for you kind of thing. And they never really like go off of it, 'cause like what you guys are saying, they kind of like go in for like some gags here and there. And it actually never really amounts to anything. - Well, I have to comment on the Charles. So part of the plot is that Charles has died and they have to go to his funeral. And so Jeffrey Jones is not a peer in the movie. However, his likeness appears a lot. Like he actually had a much bigger presence in the film that I expected. There is an inspired claymation sequence that details his death. That was pretty creative and wonderful. - At that point in the movie, I was like, okay, this might actually be short. - I was thinking, wow, this could actually, yeah. So like, well, I think it maintains. - Wait, let me just finish. I just think it maintains a certain level. And I agree at that point, I thought, whoa, this might actually achieve another level. It doesn't ever go back to that, that plane. But that was really fun. - Yeah, that's fun. And even like the continued presence of Charles in the way they've handled it, I actually appreciated because it's like, okay, if they're gonna keep involving this character, I like what they've done to approach the Jeffrey Jones of it all. That's clever. - And it's also goryer than I expect for a mainstream PG-13 movie from Warner Brothers. I was like, okay, I'm into this. Like that's, Tim Burton's really waving it around with what he's able to do right now. Like that's fine. But I mean, yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't do it. Like it's what you're saying. It's not investigating any of this stuff any further than it really seems to want to. And I think it has so many opportunities to, whether it is the Lucci's character and where her deal is with Beetlejuice or Willem Dafoe as a former B movie star. That's now like an afterlife detective, already like all of this stuff, I think are cool ideas. But this movie doesn't know what to do with any of it. So just like introduction, and we'll follow that same formula for like three more characters and then just kind of have, like remind you that they're in this movie and that they have nothing to really offer to the plot. Yeah, like it's literally by the end, by the climax. It's just like, okay, we'll just wave this one off, wave this one off, wave this one. Like it's, so what was it all? It does get to like that climax a little bit too easily. And it actually would have been what, I think that concept that they had going for their daughter, Astrid Dietz, that's a pretty interesting concept. You know, like the book of the dead and or the Hanba for the recently deceased. And then also like, you know, how you can do some stuff with there with some ghost stuff. It's like, that's kind of a cool thing that they had kind of kept with it. But yeah, I think that Mark and you're right and saying, like there's just, it's kind of over bloated. And while I said that there's not a whole lot that AMA really does, like it doesn't really help out that they're there, right? So even though Monica Belucci shows up, I don't think she has like a speaking line until like halfway through the movie. And even then it's just like, where's Betelgeuse? And it's like curable thing. - She's constantly in the background and then she sort of reappears at the end. And it's like, it honestly feels like because Burton and Belucci are dating that she was just around. And she's like, can I? - I mean, he does this all the time. - Can I do something? Well, at least he like, well, Lisa burritos and have a ton to do with the movies that she's been up. But she's effective in like Sleepy Hollow and Mars attacks as big head woman. - Sure. - And here, yes, it's a good like character design that they give to Belucci as far as just like in pieces kind of character, like puts herself back together. But it's like, how did you guys think of that, like retro, retro piece where they're speaking Italian? - That was amusing. - It's like, there's a lot of like Tim Burton's very much embracing the things he loves because he can. So there's a lot of like Mario Bava references until it becomes very overtly Mario Bava. And it's like, that's fun because when am I gonna see Mario Bava reference in a fucking WB movie like this, that's good. - Oh, you know, another thing is there's a demon, baby. And that looks like it crawled out of the set of the 1974 horror movie, It's Alive. - Uh-huh. - I mean, so I thought that was, but it looks fun. - Like I did. - It is. And I like the look that it looked like Betelgeuse, but you know, in, so that there's like-- - I liked Bob. - I liked Bob. - I liked the character Bob. - Okay, okay, let's talk about that for a second. - It is. - So the afterlife, in the original Betelgeuse, the idea that the afterlife was this ineffective bureaucracy was fresh and creative. And, you know, the waiting room of the recently deceased, also creative. Here, they rely on that a lot. It's no longer fresh and creative. Yeah, and they do give us new versions of people that have just passed on, but you know, and then the thing with Bob, I mean, he was like a little cute thing at the end of the first one where his head shrink. Now we got like 10 of them and they're all there. - Yeah, always the movie also does nothing with. There's a point where they're involved a lot more and suddenly, and then there's just like, wait, what are they, what, why? - That was sort of the part like, oh yeah, I get it, you're giving me the original thing, but it's not, you're not doing anything interesting with it. I would have rather you not rely so heavily on that. - I agree. And that was what was upsetting me going into this as far as, why are there so many head shrink things? Like, yes, that's exactly what you just said Mark. It's just like, it's a random gag for one part of the movie. Why would it be like a fleet of them? That doesn't, and why would Beetlejuice be the one who's having control of regard? All of that said, it does lead me back to, for some reason I liked the Bob thing. I liked Bob coloring and him having little beads of sweat off his little head. - He's sweating a lot. - That stuff like, he's a nice guy, yeah. - And by the time like, we are at the end of Bob's tenure in this film, I was like, I actually feel bad for this character, totally this character, but I mean that is this character. - Yeah. - Well, you guys were talking about Keaton earlier and how maybe he's a little bit bigger around the waist, but a little bit slower in his stuff, but a lot of line delivery. - Wait, wait, wait, we never said he was bigger in the waist. - He's wearing a belly. - He's wearing a belly, I know. - He's wearing a belly. - He's a slim guy. He's a Hollywood actor for Christ's sake. - No, no, no, but yeah, I'm curious how you guys talk about his line delivery stuff. 'Cause again, he doesn't show up, he does show up early-ish, but I think that he's a little bit kind of on the same page as the original Beetlejuice. Like, you know, he's not taking it over the top. - Right, I thought he was good. I mean, I thought he was in it just the right amount. - I think he's good without me being like over the moon for it, where as far as I got what I expected out of this iteration of Beetlejuice. Yes, I've commented that he's, you know, he's an older man, so I think it shows. That's not, that's not a death nail for the movie. It's just more, like I said, I can't think of like things Beetlejuice did here, where I'm like, that's so funny, I can't wait to think about that again and again, compared to the first, the original Beetlejuice, where there's legit stuff that I can think about right now where it's like, yeah, that Beetlejuice is classic. This Beetlejuice, yes, the lines are funny. It feels like the given of the movie. Of the one thing I expected is by Michael Keaton will deliver what I want him to deliver. It'll be fun and whatnot, but at the same time, though, it's just like, it's not something I'm like, this was a true highlight. The work of Michael Keaton, Beetlejuice. Well, why did you guys think of Katherine O'Hara and her role in this? I think that she's delivering. I think that she, she's got some good lines. She doesn't have a ton of them, but same time, she still brings that, that dealiness, like ditziness. Yeah, I, I liked her a lot. I think she's, she's also giving us a little bit of Schitt's Creek in here, but her character in that, but I think, I liked her a lot. And I liked the trajectory that she's now the successful artist. And she's doing this, like, scream art. And, and we do get to see some of her art from the original film now in different installations and stuff. So I thought everything that she did, I thought she was giving me. I mean, I mentioned Winona Ryder and Michael Keaton. I think all three of them are giving what I expected from them. So I liked Katherine O'Hara a lot in this. I think, I would agree. I think Katherine O'Hara's the MVP is the movie, as far as the actors are concerned. I do think Delia in '88, she's like a proto version of Moira to begin with. I'm like, yeah. Moira, yes. So it doesn't like, it doesn't surprise me that now that Katherine O'Hara's more in line with, you know, a character he played on that sitcom for multiple years, that it rubs off on her, like it gets that feels in line with the character to begin with. I can see it being grating for some people, as far as just how much they let her do. But in a movie like this, for me personally, it's like, no, I thought it was fun. I think she had the right amount of energy to go through all the stuff she's going through. And compared to the other two within, I do think that she has the best arc of this thing, as far as like what she's, what they're asking of her. Yeah. So, yeah, she's fun. And her being in the afterlife at one point for whatever reason, I think her reactions work out well. Right, yeah. How about Winona Ryder? Would you guys think a writer in this movie? Mark touched on it earlier. It's like, it's kind of hard for me to kind of, I guess personally accepted that she's got the same hairstyle, she's got the same magic, she's got the same everything, and then she's going back to like her hometown. Like, it's cool that she has used her abilities to kind of do like this medium TV show. But I also feel as though she's also a little bit underserved by the writing that they give to her. Right, yeah. Because while she is playing a mother, and she is playing a woman who has to basically like is the quote unquote like competent person when they're all going back to their hometown, it doesn't really help that she doesn't, because she's going down so many different avenues, whether it's like piecing together this mystery with the realtor or it's doing some other stuff or Justin throws character. It doesn't really serve her to do any of these things. So, when you actually do get this like strange afterlife situation with her and her family, doesn't really work. So, like, she just spreads it in. - I liked her. I mean, the fact that she was in the original, and now she's here, so that gives her a little bit of, you know, a head start. But I agree that she isn't given a lot to do, and really nice to mention this before, the fact that her character hasn't changed, she's almost reverted back to the way she was before the Beetlejuice original movie ended, is confusing, but I don't fault the actress for that. I think she gave it her all, and she does what is asked of her. - I'd argue everything about her is the same except for the attitude. I don't think she has the same aloof, depressed, kind of morbid attitude that she had on the first one, so it's like-- - She's matured, yeah. - She's matured in a sense, but it's like, to what degree, as I mentioned, she's just with this jerk guy played by Thoreau, or she's like a messy host of this ghost TV show that she has, 'cause she's like a medium. And it's like, I just wish there was something done with that. With her, with either, with either Delia or of Astrid, because they have scenes, but I can't think there's anything like real, there's nothing made of them that affects their arcs in ways that felt like satisfying beyond just, okay, yeah, they're back together, and they have the doc now, which leads us to Ortega. Do you guys like Ortega in this film? - I'm just giving Wednesday vibes. - Yeah, I haven't seen a show, but she's fine, I don't think that she is given, I think that she's doing fine with it, but she's better in the screen movies, because not because she has more to do, but I think it's just because the character is intrinsically more interesting, 'cause of the history, and then also, again, the situation that she's put in. But here, it's like, this is a very like, rated GPG version of things, and because of that, it's weird because I don't know how old she is, I think she's supposed to be in high school, I guess, and that doesn't really help out either, because the dynamic doesn't really work out. All of a sudden, now you have this play on, well, she can possibly also has like powers, or I don't even know that Lydia Dietz had powers in the first one, to be honest. I was just like-- - She did, people. That's powers. - Yeah, but I thought it was just like them because she was a, actually, no, she just talked about an 88, right? She says that because her mother recently died, like that is a factor. She has a specific line that says something about online. - It's when the shit in the photos of them that she talks about it. But anyway, yeah, I thought that she was okay, but she, again, nothing a whole, not a whole idea. - I didn't mind her love interest story with Jeremy as the young boy, and that goes down a route. I didn't mind it. I know, Aaron, you said you didn't care for the way it develops. I was okay with that. I mean, it was a twist, and it was, I guess, I thought the character was gonna be sort of what it was on the surface, and then they gave us something that's slightly different. So I was, I guess I was surprised by how that changed. - I just, I saw the same thing in "Ghost Postures," so I was like, okay, we're following a mold here, I guess, when it comes to the younger characters' love interests and movies, and I was just bored through the sequence. Like I appreciated aspects of it. Like, again, Halloween, Baba Marathons, or what that, there's this stuff there, and I don't think the actors are not forming it to the best of their ability. It's just, it makes me wonder, you know, I'm an adult man watching the subplot involving Jenna Ortega's love life. It's like, are the younger audience that's seeing this movie that loves Wednesday and one specifically because Ortega's in it? Are they getting more out of it, possibly? I just wish it at least had a better resolve instead of just kind of like, oh, there's an issue, and we've cleaned up the issue. Like, it's really what it amounts to. Yeah, which is... And it actually is expedited on the cleanup, too. Yeah, it just happens. It's like, all right, that was pretty simple solved. I mean, I have other things, well, what else? Anything else come up? Well, I kind of just wanted to ask you guys about Burton, like, overall, because I know that he's had, like, some ups and downs, we've talked about them. I mean, Dumbo was like, not very good, but I think that Colin Farrell was finding it, but still, he's had a lot of movies that, I think he had the misses, and he maybe sometimes, I think writers, whether it be critics or others, have kind of attributed it to, well, he was under this Disney contract, and they didn't really allow him to do all the weird, quirky stuff that he wanted to do, but, you know, when you do get him back to something that he does, well, then it's fine. But I'm curious what you guys think of, not just his career right now, but kind of just where he has been, and is this, quote-unquote, like, I hate to say this, but like, a return to form of sorts. I will say, I thought Tim Burton could do no wrong up through Sweeney Todd. And then after that, it was sort of a series of ups and downs. I think Frank and Sweeney was very enjoyable, and I actually really liked big eyes. I think I liked that more than most people, but then the other things I wasn't crazy about. And I think this is, you know, return to form. I mean, no, because, I mean, his return to form would be Beetlejuice, or Edward Scissorhands, or Peewee's Big Adventure, or, I mean, things that were a young man doing film with all the excitement of the medium. And he's not doing that anymore. Now he's just relying. I don't even think he, you know, you could call a sequel to one of his best films, you know, return to form, because it's just, it's the, every cycle thing. But I think it is enjoyable. - It makes me very proud to hear you say that, Mark. You're not leading into this idea. Flow's back! - Right, right, right. - He made a movie that was always going to make money. Good for him. - Right. - Right, but I have to tell you, I walked into this, like, oh, bracing myself for something that could have been just awful. And I didn't, and I appreciate, Aaron, you didn't care for all that much. I enjoyed it for what it was. And I did walk out of the theater with a smile. So I did like it better. I'm not going to list all of his misses, but he has done a few movies in the last 10 years that I really didn't care for at all. So this was better than that. But, you know, I actually, I would much rather see a movie. I actually really did enjoy big eyes, and that was, whether you liked it or not, at least it was an original thought. So, you know, and of course, you know, things like Sweeney Todd, and, I mean, almost like everything in the '90s was almost great. So, you know, I mean, even Mars attacks, I enjoy that. That's a creative thing. So this is, you know, not a return to form, but an enjoyable film. And it is going to make a lot of money, I'm sure it will. - I mean, like big eyes, it was a well-reviewed movie from the same writers as Ed Wood. It just flopped because nobody wanted to see it, which is its own issue. Burton in general, yeah. Like, if you mentioned like Colin Farrell, like, yeah, there's always going to be something interesting in a Tim Burton movie. That's what I can rely on, whether it's interesting casting choices or just his own sensibility. But yes, there's a, it does seem like there's a very clear divide as far as when he started making less memorable efforts. But I'm always curious about what Tim Burton's up to. - That's a good way to put it. - Obviously, I wish this was a better movie, but like, I might be lesser on it than you guys, but I didn't hate this experience. I just, and it's largely because again, the script is awful. I hear that, it's an awful script. But the Burton of it all, like, if he's bringing this kind of juice to a movie like this, I can only hope it gives him the cashier to do something else that he really wants to do. I know, you know, reading all these interviews this week, like, Dumbo is a big breaking point for him as far as, do I want to keep making movies? And I'm like, I don't blame you. If this like gives him the kind of creative surge that he needs to like do something that'll get him to make more Tim Burton things that are both original and blend his ideas, I'm all for it. - Yeah, it stands, you know, he showed up, it's just, he did, yeah, and didn't do it much more. - There are a hundred percent like some sequences when I'm watching the movie where I was like, that's the Burton, I miss. And it's fun to see that stuff, whether they be the acclimation part, but also I'm thinking more of like a, like a post script type of scene. And I'm like, this is some weird shit. But anyway, just curious your thoughts. But yeah, I don't know, anything else that you guys have? - Yeah, I mean, Mark, you mentioned the MacArthur part scene. I'll just say that song did nothing for me. I mean, that whole sequence, I, that feels like a kind of thing, where if I'm not on board with the prescribed dance along sequence, like the first movie, then that's not going to bode well for the film. It's like, I saw what they're doing and it just, it's not dayo, it just feels desperate. It's like, it's a fun choice for a song. But at the same time, it's like, why this is, and because it's coming in the climax, it's like, oh, we forgot to do the song. Let's like throw that in for some reason at the, like it just felt like, all right, movie. - I wasn't cynical about it though. - I wasn't cynical about it though. I mean, I think that song has the most ridiculous lyrics and then the movie decides to dramatize them. And I just thought, oh, this is, this is fun. And this is lighthearted and it's silly. And I just felt, there was a joy to that to me. I felt it. Maybe you were a little more cynical about it, but-- - It's not a big set of glitches. I didn't like the scene. I mean, a-- - Well, you said, you cynical in the sense like, oh, we did dayo in the first one. Now we gotta do another thing along here. - In that sense, yes, 'cause that's-- - I think the, he almost had to give us, you know. I mean, that song, you know, Mark Arthur Park, I love it every time I hear it. I don't, we're all Simpson's fans. Are you familiar with a little Miss Springfield pageant and a poo, a poo's niece, does MacArthur Park on the tabla. And that's also a wonderful version. - I'll never have that recipe. - That's a good pull, Mark. ♪ Again ♪ ♪ Oh no ♪ - That is a good pull. I will say it's not a song that like, does anything for me. - Right, right. - You don't have the history with it, but you know-- - I don't, like a biker-- - All of Donna Summers fans are gonna love that. And even, and some of Richard Harris's fans, which is actually is the version they use in the main set piece. - Which I could, which I could appreciate. If it wasn't shoved in in the climax and it came earlier in the film, I might have put a different reaction to it. - Oh, okay. - But it just felt like, why is this here now? And because, yes, I don't really have a connection to the song. - And technically they did have a song earlier during the burial scene, so, you know. - Well, they had a song, but not like a big dance number. - Yeah, but I would also say like, the practicality of the dance number in '88 was more, yeah, like, it was very much more in the story, you know what I mean? Like, I hear what you're saying to Aaron, like it feels like they're just like, we gotta put this in. - Yeah, 'cause it comes down, I mean, it doesn't matter. Like, I just, I wasn't a fan of what they did with it. And yes, I have, I was listening to my dad and I listened to Harry Belafonte before I saw Beetlejuice. I was like, okay, this is cool. Like, Belafonte's in this random, there's a Calypso going on with this gothic weird thing that's a fun house movie that we're watching. Sure, all right. - Yeah. - The other thing, and I'll mention really quickly. - Yeah. - Like, you mentioned the soul trade. Clever gag. That said, I got real dance scene in "Ferris Bueller Vibes" where all the black people are in one part of Chicago for some reason when I'm like, what are the black ghosts only on this old trade? Like, what's going on here? - It should have been a little bit of our integrate. - I don't understand, like, there's only black ghosts, only danced at the '70s disco music on the train. Like, okay. - That was a little bit weird. I also picked up on some of this. - Now, Tim Burns also the guy that gave me black Harvey Dent and cast Marlon Waynes as Robins, right? Like, I'm not like making any Blackies agents here, but it's like, this feels a little weird. - Yes. - We're relegating a certain aspect of this to one place. - Actually, I had a question for you guys about that too, 'cause I know we were kind of talking about the F-Life stuff, but was there anything that you guys found neat in the F-Life in this one? Because I think about '88, and I was like, what was fun is you have like the guy who's like been flattened by a truck, who's just like roaming around and like, here's your papers and being like, stupid office guy. And then there's also like, what Aaron and I kind of like, joke about from time to time, is the football team. There's like-- - Yeah, the football team. - Can we use the bathroom? Like, I'm not even coach. He survived. Anything in the F-Life that you guys like, hey, that's a cool pool. - I honestly, the Charles D. stuff. I hate the fact that I'm saying this, but I mean, the fact that it's like, this body, it's really funny to me. He's got gurgling noises too. - Yeah, this is something there that's like, this is so silly and gory, but I'm like, I'm into it. - You know, it's, but it's not. I mean, he looks like a puppet. I mean, it doesn't-- - Oh, it's ridiculous. But I mean, it's still like-- - Yeah, I think that's actually what they're going for. - But your heart, your hard press to see red blood spurting out of something in a movie, like in movies these days that are not or rated. Like, that's not generally something you're gonna see. So the fact that it went not just with like, the goofy puppet stuff, but like, he leans up against the wall and like blood splatters against the wall, like, okay, movie. Like you're going for it. That's interesting. - Yeah, that's some ideas. Was there any other stuff in the app? I mean, I mean, there's, well, the surfboard guy, the surfer, and then there's also, Danny Vito, to some degree, 'cause it's like, okay, well, like this janitor, like, drank chemicals. And then-- - And still likes them, apparently, it's like, now I can give it all the time, 'cause I'm dead. - Exactly, yeah. - So, but yeah, no, I don't know. - Any other things stand out, Mark? - I mean, yeah, I know, you've said them all. - Yeah, all right. Anything else? Some beatles, beatles, beatles. - I feel like we talked a lot about this movie. - No, I think we can get our rating. - All right, let me check my notes real quick, make sure I have anything to complain about. (both laughing) - You're like, well, the score wasn't Danny Elfman enough. - The score, okay, Danny Elfman doing the score again, and it's like, yeah, all right, he's doing the thing. - Fine, yeah. - He's got the, you know. - Like what you're saying, he's got the trombone. - He does, yeah. And I honestly, I really like that original Beetlejuice-themed music. - Yeah, it's very iconic. - It is, and it, you know, seeing the nostalgia factor of it all as much as they don't generally care about nostalgia, seeing like the font on screen, and then they open the town, and it's not the model, and then it is the model, and I'm like, oh, yeah, this is neat, they're not going even out of being a model or not, and I'm like, okay. - I picked up on that too, and I was like, this actually really clever that they were able to do this. - And it got me in a good, like, and again, I wanted to like this, despite like my misuse of doing it. - I mean, you sound like you like some of it. - I'm out of five out of 10. Like I don't beat this movie, I'm halfway there. It's just like, the script I don't think is doing much here, but all right, well, when should people go and see Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice? Mark, what should people see this movie? - I see it in a theater. I think it's a spectacle, and it's fun, and it will be better on the big screen. - Yeah, I'm like, Matt and $8 theater, go check it out. - I think you can wait till Max, it'll be there in October, that's what they're saying. - Yeah, by default, well, it'll make a shit ton of money, so it'll be, it'll be a digital one October, it'll be a Max probably like, brown Thanksgiving, just in time for when grandma comes over, you can watch, (laughing) - Back in my day, if the daughter writer was a gothic. - Grandma's not that old, (laughing) or young, I don't know what I'm trying to say. - 30 years old, I think you're 36 years old, it's an old movie. (laughing) I heard someone describe Lord of the Rings as an old movie at this point. I mean, things are old. - It was 20 years ago, yeah. - All right, well, we've talked about Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, now we should move on to what time is it? - Aaron, I think it's time for a quick game here. (electronic music) - Let her know in fact, Mark, did you know that's actually the tune that plays for Lydia's TV show, but we never actually hear it in the movie. - I did not know that, fun fact. - I've submitted a lot of tunes to a lot of plays. (laughing) TV, TV purposes, almost got in with late, and I went to double, but then they were like, no, we're gonna use AI for it, okay. (laughing) I have a game for you guys this week. It's called Say My Name, Say My Name. - Okay, when no one is around you, say maybe I love you? - All of those things. What I've done here is I have a list of movies that all the movie titles are names of characters and all of these movies feature a cast member or two from Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. I'm going to read the tag line for said movies and you can tell me the title of the movie I'm referring to. - Every movie contains an actor from Beetlejuice, but you just got it. - Yes, and all the movies are names of characters. - Which is surprising how few movies there are from each actor that are the type, the name of a character. Let's take a little doing. If you think you know the answer, say your name. Of course, as the game title says. All right, here's the first tag line. Justice is always darkest before the dawn. Hmm, Abe, Abe. I don't know who's in it, a green lantern? - No. - No? Okay. Well, let's see, Batman? - Batman is the correct answer. - Is that it? Okay, all right, yeah. - What an idiot answer, Ed. - Yeah, especially for the first question, which is always the easiest one to write. - I knew I was waiting for you to say, this is the easy one. - All right, let's keep it moving. (laughing) - All right, here's the next one. And if you need a hint, the first title game is the actor in question for the movie. Here's the next one. Best friends, social trends, and occasional murder. Abe, Abe. - Oh, I know. - It's the one where she pulls out a gun and says that famous light. But I can't think of the fucking movie name right now. (laughing) I don't drive away dolls or something. Ah, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. - Those are the names. Mark, we're the steel. - Oh, it's, I just did it in the actor? - All right, go ahead, Mark, go ahead, Mark. - But you want the name of a character, right? - I want the name of the movie, which is a name of a character. - Oh, all right, Heathers. - Heathers is a character. - That's, yes, yeah. See, that's what I'm talking about, a gun. - Yeah, you had it, you just didn't give me an answer. - Yeah. - That's the problem. - I can't think of the name. - I have a way doll. - I know, yeah, I was like, it's not even remotely close. Yeah, it's like, there's some game. (laughing) - Okay, why you haven't seen that so? - These deep digs were harsh. (laughing) Here's the next one. - All right. - He's the world's coolest dad, and he's gonna prove it. Abe, Abe, Jack Frost. - It is Jack Frost. - Yes! - Oh, coolest dad, I guess. - Did you see me not wink? - That's a sad movie, though. - Yeah, it's about, I believe Michael he plays a harmonica player who dies in like a snow storm. - Yeah, and yeah. - But come back as a snowman. - And he only gets one Christmas left with his son. It's very sad. - Yeah, it's a comedy. - It's a comedy about a snowman. (laughing) It's the next one. - While she craves a romance, she can sink her claws into he plots a foul reign of destruction. - Now, F-O-U-L or F-O-W-L? - You wanna guess which one that might be? - I mean, I guess it's the latter, but I don't know the name of this movie, and I actually don't know which movie which actor is in it. - There's actually two in this one, which will-- - Oh, wait, wait. - Yep. - Batman Returns? - Batman Returns is the guy. - Oh. - All right. - Day to Vito. - Shall Fife her. - And Day to Vito and Michael Keaton. - That's right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Alfred Go, not related to Michael Go. - He's not. - Okay. Michael, Michael Gough is very British. Alfred Gough is not British. - Okay. (laughing) - Here's the next one. In 1981, a 19-year-old unknown graffiti writer took the New York art world by storm. The rest is art history. - I know this. It's all you, Mark. - Hey, I'm drawing a blank. - The actor in question, which probably won't help, is Willem Dafoe. - Oh. - Oh, I know. Bascuit? - It's Bascuit, yes. - Oh, okay, all right. Mark running away over right now. - I know, there you go. That's 'cause I couldn't name Heathers. - Also Jeffrey Wright in the title role, early movie for him. - Yep. This is a breakout. Here's the next one. Love never dies. - Abe. - Abe. - Bram Stoker's Dracula. - Look at you, you got that, yeah. - Winona writer. - Classic tagline. - Yeah. - I'm big on the poster and everything. - Yeah. - Here's the next one. Their turf, their game, their rules, they didn't count on his law. - Ooh. - Ooh. - Not ringing any bells. - Tesla. - Abe. - See, you always go for the guests and like, I could write a bit of hints, like. (laughing) - Yeah. - But as a guest, Abe. - What's your guess? - The Sandlight two, those boys. - That's your good guess. - Get him back, yeah. (laughing) - Yeah. - That's your good guess. - Yeah. - A directed DVD sequel that you don't know the name of. - It's actually not even that one. I'm just referencing a movie that doesn't exist. It's like those rich kids that come back and beat 'em. - You just make it up those three goals. - The Sandlight two that does exist. (laughing) - I know, it's got like somebody's daughter in it. - Yeah. - No, I don't know this movie. - That's wrong. That's the wrong answer. - Oh, really? - What are you guys? - It's a Catherine O'Hara picture. - Yeah. - If she's in it, say she's in her picture. I'd be hard pressed to say she's more than 10th build in the movie, actually. - But what's, oh, you're not, you're not as the answer yet. - I didn't give you the answer. - Okay. - It is a comic strip adaptation. - Hmm. - Catherine O'Hara, a comic strip adaptation. - All-Star cast. - Oh, is it? Does it have Brooke Shields in it? - I'm curious what movie you're thinking of, but no. - Oh, no, then I was thinking of something else. - A, B, R, C movie. - No, it's not. It's Dick Tracy. Dick Tracy. - Oh, Catherine O'Hara's on that movie? - Yes, she is. - I had, yeah, who should play? - Yes. - I do too, offhand, 'cause it's a large cast and she's not one of the, I know. - I know, I know, I know, Al Pacino's in it. - Yeah, I didn't know she was in that. - Oscar nominated Al Pacino. - Yeah. - The movie I was thinking of, Brenda Star, Brooke Shields, it was based on a, I know odd, but I just thought, well, maybe Catherine O'Hara was in that. - It's a good pull. - She plays, Catherine O'Hara plays a female criminal who submits to a big Blakea Priest. - Oh, I mean, that makes sense. - She's like a gun mole. - Taxi Garcia, that's her. - Here's the next one. 3% body fat, 1% brain activity. - This sounds very familiar. - We've done it before on this podcast. I'm gonna be, we've done a couple of these before, honestly. - A couple? - Yeah, we've done Bram Stover as we were. - 3% body fat, 1% what? - Brain activity. - Oh, Zoolander. - It is Zoolander. - Which takes a lot of stuff. - Justin Thoreau as evil DJ. - Yeah, that's right. - Here's the next one. - A little magic goes a long way. I have a second tagline. A little magic goes a long way. - Abe? - Hocus pocus? - You're on the right track-ish, no. The second tagline is Kids Rule. - I think the problem is better. - It is, that's why it's the first one. - Who comes up with these taglines? It's like, let's just use the generic tagline for this movie, Kids Rule. - I will say this movie was adapted into a popular musical. - Matilda? - Matilda. - Oh. - Dana Vito. - Dana Vito. - Directed that movie, right? - He directed it as well, yes. Here's the next one. - The organized crime has never been this disorganized. - That's a pretty funny tagline, and I'm gonna be mad at this. Sounds like a good movie. Organized crime has never been this disorganized. Abe? - Abe. - Lethal Weapon 33 and a third. - And that's not a movie. - There's Naked Gun 33 and a third. - Oh, Lethal Weapon. (laughing) - Sorry. I don't know this, Mark. - You're here, go. - I'm drawing a blank. - It's a Michael Keaton film. Organized crime has never been this organized. - Yep. - Abe, the other guys? - It's the- - Multiplicity? - It doesn't make any sense. - Organized, do you remember that mafia plot? Multiplicity. - Oh, Johnny Dangerously. - It is Johnny Dangerously. That is correct. - Hey. - Michael Keaton stars as Johnny Dangerously. - With Joe Piscopo. - Joe Piscopo is a young Joe Piscopo, let's set it a nightlife. - That was my next hint. Joe Piscopo's other movie. (laughing) 'Cause he has, I think, two movies. - Yeah. - One of the big, of course, wise guys. - Hey. - I think it's called wise guys. - What? (laughing) - Close enough. - I want to be sure on this. Joe Piscopo. - Oh. - 'Cause it's a Brian DeVito. It is wise guys with Danny DeVito. There you go. - There you go. - It's a Brian DePaul movie. (laughing) It's a terrible, terrible thing. Next one, a few more. - Okay. - Lost in our world found in another. - Lost in our world found in another, mm. - Willem Defoe is the actor in this film. - Lost in our world. - It's a bad tagline. It's probably why it flopped being a $260 million movie. Wow. - $260 million Abe, Aquaman. - Aquaman made a billion dollars. - Oh, all right. 'Cause I was like, well, you know, he was the Kung Fu master in Aquaman. - The movie flopped, I don't know. - Mark, any idea? - I'm not sure. - John Carter is the correct answer. - John Carter of Mars, one of our favorites. - If it was called John Carter of Mars, probably would have made a little bit more money. - People should go, 'cause people would be like, what the fuck is John Carter? Why should I see it? - Who is John Carter? - He's going to get Carter? It's called John Carter. - John Carter, like, the poster's red. - And then later John with, like, retconned all of it and like, this is how you make a first name, last name movie. - Yes. Here's the next one. - Okay. - She was the biggest thing that ever hit him until he played football. Football's a thing you were describing to me earlier. - Oh, the whole of the home runs. That's a good tagline. - She was the biggest thing that ever hit him until he played football. - I'm trying to think of the actors in this, and just be in a football movie. - Yeah. - And also, I keep forgetting that it's supposed to be the name of a character. - Yeah. It's an '80s comedy. Okay, the actress is one on a writer. - Oh, John would be good? - Not John would be good. - I don't know the answer to this. Lucas is the answer. - I actually remember passing by the movie in the movie store, but yeah, no. - Coriame, Kerry Green, and Charlie Sheen's. - Coriame. - And it's one on a writer's first movie, actually. - I know exactly like a scene from that that I've seen online. - It's a good one. I like Lucas. - Is it? - Oh, it's a great film, yeah. - So it's a really sweet film. - One on a writer is like 12 years old and then we were something like that. - She's young. - Yeah. - That's for sure. - And I was like, oh, I think I'm in love. - But Lucas is young and very little. - Little guy, but he played football. Suck it, Rudy. That's what he said. (both laughing) - It's too poor. - It's not Notre Dame. - Hey, boy. - All right. - This is not a help. The epic story of love and adventure in a lawless land. - That's a story of love and adventure in a lawless land. - This is another Catherine Rehera. I will say this. Here's the biggest hint I can give. Here's the biggest hint I can give. Another movie tackling the same character was made first and released first and was a bigger hit and people like it a lot more today than they do this movie. - Interesting. The star of this movie, the main star of this movie, just released another movie that was also an epic story of kind of love and adventure in a lawless land. That was also a bomb. - Hello. Yes. Oh, God. I don't know. A Catherine Rehera movie? This is an 80s movie, you said? - No. I did not say that. - I don't know. Mark, I want you to get this one. So just think, what's another, what's a star who just had a epic story of adventure in a lawless land that bombed? - Kevin Costner. - So what's another Kevin Costner movie that's very similar to another movie, but not nearly as successful? - Open range? The Postman? - You're falling down. You're getting there. - Mm. - Wider? - Wider is the correct answer. - Oh. - Okay. - Tombstone is the other movie. - Oh, wow. - Wait, what was the movie? - Wider? - Oh, it was Wider? It was the answer. - That was the answer. - Tombstone is the other Wider movie that was far more successful and more like do people talk about it? - Yes, that's true. - You know what I'm talking about? Dennis Quaid is doc holiday. - No, nobody cares about that guy. - Nobody cares about Ronald Reagan. - It's Reagan, though. - And he's doing a great job. - Last one. - And the eighties? - Last one. These taglines unleash the power behind the armor. It's not helpful. The other tagline is even heroes fall. - Unleash the power behind the armor. Here's the name of the round, too. That's not gonna help you whatsoever. This is a general or take a pick. - For sure. (laughing) - Okay. - I feel like if you're not versed on her, all of her filmography. - Oh, he's like, I'm not gonna help you too much. - I know. - The movies I can think of that she's in are not character names. - Yeah, yeah. No one played Mr. Scream. - Right. (laughing) - That was the one. - Not yet. Not until we read the script. And then have come be home to a family. (laughing) - I will say this is the third entry in a popular superhero franchise. - Okay. - The third entry in a popular Super Abe? - Abe. - I know that she's like a little kid and child actor, and I don't know the names of the movies, so I'm just gonna guess a Shark Boy and Lava Girl. - I like your thought process there. You think, I feel like you thought forgot a key feature of what I just said, which is it's the third entry in a superhero movie. - Oh, I guess Shark Boy Lava Girl is the first one. - Yes. - But it's the third in Spy Kids 3D? - It's not, again, I like where your head's at. You're wrong, but I like that you tried harder with Sandblatt to get whatever. - No, I was like, 'cause I can see her. I've seen it on Twitter where it's like, look at young Genoretega. - So think of the tagline I just said, unleash the power behind the armor. - I'm trying to think of like superhero movies that-- - The Iron Man 3? - Iron Man 3 is the correct answer. - Really? She's in Iron Man 3? - So there's a-- - She has a bit of baby. - So there's a subplot in Iron Man 3 where Miguel Ferrer, RIP, he plays the vice president, and he's secretly in league with Guy Pierce's evil character. Because Guy Pierce's whole plot is, if I get this thing out there, I can regrow limbs. And there's a shot where Miguel Ferrer is on the phone, and it pans over to his young daughter who's at a wheelchair 'cause she lost her leg. And that little girl is played by Genoretega. - There you go, that's a great pull, Aaron. - Good pull. - That was gonna be the bonus in case you guys were tied. - Oh my gosh, you're definitely not tied. - No, you're not, because Abe, you came far in second place here, technically third, 'cause I got three points. But Mark, you're the winner this week on-- - Woo hoo! - Say my name, say my name, congratulations. - Good work. - Yay! - Good job, Mark. - Thank you. - All right, we're the opponent eight. Thank you, hashtag others, hashtag others. - All right, let's move on. Let's get some about enough feedback. - You're back, Rebecca. - This is where I go with various questions dancers. Our Facebook page comes us on our podcast. We have some number of questions with the listeners, and they gave us some answers. - And we got a question, I believe, as well. - Mm-hmm. - First question here is-- - Mark, feel free to throw in and any answers as we go through. - Oh, of course. - First one here is what's your favorite one in a writer performance? David Maloof writes Heathers or Lucas. If I had read these answers beforehand, I would have gotten some questions, right? (laughing) Adam Fatah writes a scanner darkly, Heathers and reality vites. Chris Fluhlin has Edward Scissorhands and Heathers. And Philip Heard writes, "Little women." - We're known a writer performance. What is everyone on a writer performance? - I like your reality vites. - Might be Beetlejuice, honestly. - Yeah, that was my other pick. - I mean, everyone that plays Jill March is automatically good. So I mean, little women's not a bad choice either. - Yeah, who's the other one, Saoirse Ronan? - Yeah. - And then what's her name? - You know, Katherine Hepburn. (laughing) - Oh, writer. - Kinda talented also. - Yeah, we do just as I should have called like 88's Beetlejuice. - All right, next question. What is your favorite Michael Keaton performance? Jason Ritter writes, "I am going with a movie "that isn't talked about anymore, "but Johnny Dangerously." Look at that. - Oh, there we go. - My friend talks about-- - I think you should have read that right now. - My friend and I talk about this movie a lot. Just part of this game rely on me knowing he won't check the feedback before we do it. (laughing) - Maybe. - Yes. (laughing) Kristen has Ray Nicollet in Jackie Brown and being an old git. I have a soft spot for Night Shift. Phillip Bird has spotlight. I really appreciate him and a straight drama, not as a cop. David Maloof writes, "You know, "clearly everyone will say Batman '89. "I'll just note that nobody said that yet." And his portrayal right now. - Absolutely. - Which is a great understated performance. However, his resume encompasses a myriad of multifaceted performances including Doug Kinney's in multiplicity, Ray Crock in "The Founder." Bill Blazjjowski in "Night Shift" and most especially Riggan in "The Fantastic Birdman" or "The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance." Just name him a very few. Qualitatively, because it's also subjective and possible for me to personally give an answer for a single performance, "P.S., I love the show!" - Thank you, David. - Thank you for the kind positivity we're getting this year. - No, it's great. They didn't call it out yet, but I love him in "Mr. Mom." - God. (laughing) - So-- - And I love this question. I loved him in "Pacific Heights." - He's good, that's a fun, like-- - He's so good in that. - It's just pure evil. - Yeah. - And "Pacific Heights" is a really underrated film. I don't hear people talk about that and it has sort of, it's a really good vehicle for Melanie Griffith. She gets, it's a good role for her. - There's the two, like, yuppy, thriller dramas of that to others. That one, there's unlawful entry with Kurt Russell and Ray Liotta. - Ray Liotta, yeah. - And they're both like, they're both good at like, let's take these two guys, obviously Michael Keaton. (laughing) Let's put them, like, just make them like the worst guy that nobody else believes, except it's like the one yuppy couple that's like, "Oh, what do we do?" This guy's threatening us doing terrible things. I was thinking about this question. Like, and he has so many like cool supporting parts and whatnot, like from like the other guys, like, honestly, Night Shift is a great answer. Like, he's really fun at Night Shift. If I'm looking at, like, his one of his lead roles, I feel like the paper encompasses so much of what he's doing. Like, what I like about it is, 'cause it's never like he's never bad, but like, if I look at, if I look like clean and sober, that's a very good performance, but it's also like the, I can show you that I can act performance. I'm not just the funny guy. If I look like Birdman, it's like, yeah, that's a great effort for Michael Keaton, but it's also like, see, I'm still guys still got it. I'm like, I still got it. - Right. - The paper feels like him at his most like, yeah, I've been Batman, I got this money now, I can do what I want. I'm just gonna, I just wanna act in a movie. - Yeah, "Any Who Offs" is in that movie? Like, basically everybody was close. Like, close, yeah, close, really good. - Momma herself. - Yeah, exactly. No, but even as well, versus to me, in the movie. - That's a great cat. The paper's just really good. - Yeah, solid, solid. Not a lot of people will see the paper. Go check it out. - You'll see the paper. - Yeah. - Do you have any additional ones? - Yeah, no, I mean, "Pissed at Kisses," but just, that was my favorite. - And my favorites, yeah. - Yeah, there you go. The next question here is, somehow this is "Will and Defoe's" first Burton movie. What other actors would you like to see a play a wacky character in a Tim Burton movie, Ruben Ocevator Jr. writes Nicholas Cage, Luke Whetomsen writes Daniel Day-Lewis, just to see how he prepares. Maxwell Hadad writes Michael Shannon, Michael Lee writes Steven Young, Chris Cleveland has Anya Taylor-Joy, or some are weaving would be fun. David Yomaluf writes Gee whiz, Chris Ben Glover, Sean Young, Ezra Miller, and lastly, Philip Hart has Jackie Chan. - I'll just know that the Chris Ben Glover was in Alice in Wonderland, but otherwise, Sean Young was gonna be Catwoman also, but-- - I mean, until she like-- - She broke her-- - In a Letterman performance. - Well, she broke her leg, for one thing, and then, yes, she-- - Didn't really allow-- - By the time things got, things got a little hectic for her. - Yeah. I mean, she made it up with Asher Turphead's detective. - That's what they said. - Who has-- - Any other first timers that you'd like to see-- - Tilda Swinton. - That actually-- - It seems like she would have been in one by now. - She would have been, yeah, I can see that. Like, I have to-- - And I think also, he's a little quirky, Rami Mollick would be good. - He's got those big eyes, so he can be pretty cool. - Part two. - Actually, Rami Mollick and Anya Taylor-Joy would be a good-- - It'd be hard to-- - It'd be hard to-- - An Amsterdam reunion. - And we'll be hard to know where to look on the screen there, Mark. - I just had one, I lost it. Oh, Paul Giamatti, 'cause I want Paul Giamatti and everything. - Yes, of course. - You keep on it. - Weird fake eye or no weird fake eye? - Whatever he wants. - Okay. Burton. - What are your favorite costumes from a Tim Burton movie? - Mark Hoff, my friend on the show, has Sleepy Hollow calling out Wood at the best. Chris Cleveland put Jack Nicholson's, his real estate character in Mars Attacks. (laughing) - This is specific. - Philip Bird had the character that he's playing? - Yeah. - Philip Bird has Batman's costumes that come a long way, but the 1989 one is iconic. There are costumes in a Tim Burton film. - Edward Scissorhands. - Yeah, I was gonna say that '70s aesthetic of everybody in the town, but also, yeah, his suit. - And then his weird guy. - And then I'm not a huge fan of the film, but Alice in Wonderland has a nice collection of costumes. It's a beautiful-looking movie. - For sure. Yeah, all right, yeah. - The next version here is, "What world from a Tim Burton movie would you like to visit?" Philip Bird has early 19th century New England from Sleepy Hollow. David Maloo frets coin flip between Mars Attacks and Batman Returns to various subversive movies that people have no idea are subversive. - Any world where you guys want to visit? - Well, all of those worlds are dangerous. Sleepy Hollow, my head cut off. Mars Attacks is getting obliterated by Mars. - I mean, Batman's got like criminals running around. - Batman's got Doug Jones in a clown costume chasing me. I don't like, I don't want that at all. - Well, I mean, like laughing gas coming out of the skies and the money's falling from the sky. - Let me say the right answer right here. What if his film has a chocolate factory? If I'm falling- - Oh, there we go. - If I'm falling the rules, that's gonna happen to me. I just pay attention to what Willy Wonka's saying. I'm gonna walk in and out of there fine. I'm gonna get to taste a lot of candies and be cool. I'm gonna jump in some chocolate river. - I'm gonna lick the walls like he tells me to. I'm gonna eat up the gobstalk, whatever he wants. I'll do what he says. Then I'll have a good time. Then I get it at the end apparently. That's the only thing about this. - Yeah, you'd win the magical ride in the glass elevator. - Yeah. - Mark, any from you? - Well, we're going just by movies he's directed. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I would go with Edward Scissorhands. It's got the suburban neighborhood contrasted with that mansion where Edward lives. - I'd go with a Peewee's big adventure. It seems the most beautiful. - It's fun. - Yeah. - Just don't run a Peewee and just make sure to lock up your bike. - Exactly, yeah. - Who's his neighbor? What's his name? - The rich kid. - Yeah, I forget. But basically, don't give him any gum either. - Oh, yeah, I don't remember. - Or black, the goop mouth. Anyway. - And also, if you do, if you do, if you do, if you do, if you do, if you do like take a ride in a truck and a woman large march telling you a story, just don't look directly at her face. - No. - Might scare you to death. - But if somebody asks, tell them large march that you'd probably get a free drink. - There you go. - I guess being on the film sets for Edward would be fun also. - That'd be fun. - Yeah, 'cause he's like going with like all these like strange, totally different film sets. - The energy level, the never red bull energy that you'd have a drink to keep up though is quite high. - And you have to hide your sweaters. Let's see, what do you mean, that's a price. - What are your favorite movies that have a macabre sense of humor? Dave Maloof writes, "American World with London is a standard bearer for a mixture of humor and the macabre." You can say the same thing about a film like Pulp Fiction as well, even though it's entirely different genre, obviously, Philip Bird writes, "Shawn of the Dead" and "Happy Death Day to You." And Chris Cleveland has Fargo or in Bruges. - Hmm, he was a looosh. - A macabre sense of humor. - Yeah. - Well, we mentioned it earlier, but Heather's. - Heather's? - Yeah, he's a good one. - Yeah. - And also, "Death Becomes Her." - That's a good answer. Because like, it's kind of like fun and cheeky, but it's also like, no, he kills his wife. - And that scene where Monica Bellucci is like stapling her body together, it's all disassembled. - I kind of got vibes of "Death Becomes Her" in that. - Sure, sure. - That moment. - Yeah. That's a good answer. I'm gonna have to co-sign on your "Death Becomes Her." - Well, I'm so proud you feel that way. Thank you. - Great answer. - Evil dead, too. - What happens? - What happens? - Well, that one. (laughs) - A few things. Lots of random stuff in general. - A few things. - That's like a perfect combination of gory, but still funny. - Yeah. - Yeah. - What's next? - Well, that assertion here is, who are some directors you'd like to see get their groove back? Luke White Thompson writes Michael Lehman and Joseph Rubin coming to mind. - Speak to him. Speak to him Heather is Michael Lehman. There you go. - Yeah. - Mark R for my writes, "Renny Harlan, he's consistent, but I'd love to see another cliffhanger or a DBS from him." - People who say. - Yep. And then Philip Herr writes Peter Jackson. David Maloo writes Terence Malick, David Lynch, Michael Mann. And any directors you'd like to see kind of like, you know, bring back their juice. - Well, I would have said M Night Shyamalan, but I actually didn't enjoy (laughing) I did enjoy Trap, I mean, for sort of its campiness. So I don't know if I would say he got his groove back, but that was something good. I know Aaron's not gonna like this answer, but I would say Ridley Scott, I think his highest highs, you know, alien and gladiator and the things that he did early on are do not come close to the stuff that he's done now. The last film that I really enjoyed by Ridley Scott would probably be The Martian. So I, not that long ago, but he, you know, and to be honest, the things that he's done recently, some of them I can find interest in them, but they're just, they never approach, you know, the stuff that he did at the beginning of his career. And so I would like to see, you know, something that would recall the glory days. - He's an up and down guy in general. I mean, when you start off with alien and Blade Runner, it's like-- - But you were a big fan of Napoleon, right? - I liked Napoleon, Marcus was a huge fan of Napoleon, I thought Napoleon was fine. - Okay. - I still have to finish the director's cut, but like the last, the last duel I thought was great. I was doing that. - That's right, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, that was torture. But I just like that he's just do one stuff and has a very, I don't give a fuck attitude about it. That's what I appreciate before. - And he is trying. I mean, I can see that he's, you know, he's not just phoning it in. He's always giving us a spectacle and everything. So I mean, I appreciate that. - I haven't seen the remake where the, you talked about it last week Aaron, but I'd be curiously, hey, see how John was doing. I hadn't seen the killer reducks. - That was gonna be my answer 'cause I liked the killer, but like it's, you know, it's been a minute since we got an amazing John Wu movie. - Yeah, 'cause you and I are really excited for a silent night and then you watch it and you're like, this is not good. - It's not good. - Yeah. - And I was like, dough. - And like red clip is a long time ago at this point. - Yeah. - And that's amazing. - Even as BMW film one, I was like, it's fine compared to the other BMW films. It's the one we're like the woman. - You're the kid, right? - Well, it's one of like the woman broadcaster being held hostage by the guy, so in any case. - By the way, I just questioned, how do you guys, how excited are you guys for Gladiator 2? 'Cause that's like really Scott's latest attempt to find six out of 10. - I was curious about it and then I saw the trailer and now I'm just really excited about it. - So he's in nine out of 10. - I think it's, I don't have any numbers with this, but I think like I'm far more interested with it now than I was earlier. That said, I second he cast Denzel and then I'm like, well, okay. - Well, I think, yeah. - Huge selling point. - With his American New York exit, it's like huge selling point. - And the, you know, he's got Pedro Pascal and Paul Mezcal and I'm like, well, that's just gonna be fun to say. - It's a good cast. - But I mean, like I'll just keep saying, he's got Denzel, rhinos, and the naval battles and the Colosseum that I've always wanted to see. So I'm like, yes, give me this. I also don't think gladiators is great. So I mean, whatever. Let's do another one, make it better. - Are you on it, Mark? - Yeah, I did enjoy gladiator a lot. And this one, I guess I'm sort of guarded. You know, I'll say like, okay, well, I'm open. Like as, you know, I, of course I want to enjoy it. So I'm ready, I'm prepared to love it. I just, I hope it is good. It's just, you know, it's, I get a little cynical about like gladiator two, okay, you know. - Like, I know he's not a guy that's gonna play the hits compared to Beetlejuice Beetlejuice. Like I think, you know, when he made it, when he finally made another alien movie, it's like, I'm gonna go a way different direction than any of you were expecting and it's gonna be something completely different. So it's like, all right, yeah, I feel like he's not-- - And you know what, people kind of caught up to it, which is kind of a shame because of the time people were like dismissing it. - I mean, I mean, be it. I hope it's, I hope it's a Mad Max George Miller situation. That's what I'm, I'm just saying, okay, yeah. - Sure, we got one question here. - Yes. - A very necessary question from David Maloof. He writes, what is the square root of 3.14? Obviously it's 1.772045.67. - Yeah, David everybody knows this, David. Why would you ask this? - Yeah, I don't, you know. - Everybody knows this. - I love questions that could be easily answered just by easily Googling. I know, Aaron, you're-- - No, no, we both know the answer to this. That's why we ask people for math questions. - I just said what I know, that's all. - Yeah, exactly, yeah. - It's like David, how do you spell the ABCs? Like, you know, come on, it's like work for me and Aaron. - But the circle and the square box, you know, it's just that simple. - And even the question, David. - But on that note, maybe, you know, check out the movie pie directed by Darren Aronofsky. - Yeah, it's got a 4K release for me too. - See, I tied it all in. It was a movie question. - There, there's the director that used to get the groove back, Darren Aronofsky, because the whale is a movie that I was. - Yeah, I mean, but he was, like, I don't think he feels like he lost his groove because he got a lot of acclaim for that. - Yeah. - Yeah, but no, thanks for the question. Dan, David, by the way. He's been chimed in all these questions. - I know, thanks, David. - Fairly new to the, I have suspicion of who wrote that I was interviewing. But, well, thanks to everybody for-- - He's David E. Kelly. - He is David E. Kelly. - He is David E. Kelly. But no, thanks to everybody for writing in on the feedback as always. But that is gonna do it for this week's episode about now, if there are any. You can find everything I do at my personal sub-stack page at codazete.substack.com. Everything I do ends up over there. I am the editor-in-chief over at White We Live Entertainment for all my movie reviews. 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And you can also follow me on Twitter, Mark_Hogan. - You can find all the other episodes about now, if there are anyone iTunes, Audibum, Spotify, and Stitcher. - SoundCloud, Potomatic, in nature, to B.L.O.D. - Feel free to email us at outnapodguys@gmo.com. - Check out our Facebook, Facebook, Facebook, and acom session on podcast, or Twitter, Twitter, acom session, and now underscore podcast. - And Instagram.com, because I don't know, underscore podcast as well. Mark Hoban, thank you very much for joining us. - Thank you, Mark. - Yeah, thanks for having me. And for, I know you think about these things, I was happy to discuss this film, so. - For sure. - Let's see, next week, we have, we have the one and only Speak No Evil, of course, is coming out next week, along with the killer's game with Dave Batista. So we got some options. - Hey. - I really wanna check out the, I have not seen the original foreign film, so I wanna check that out, I think. - I would definitely recommend it. - I heard it's great. - It is haunting, but yeah, with that said. - Giving me a little bit of Michael Hanneke vibes. - That's a fair one. The camera's not static, and things happen, but yes, there's a vibe in there. Oh yeah, thanks again for Mark for joining us. Thanks for listening, and that's what we do for this exhibit. Well, that's fine. So long, and goodbye. (upbeat music) ♪ As far as the girl ♪ ♪ It ran one step ahead ♪ ♪ As we followed him to dance ♪ ♪ Between the party pages ♪ ♪ And the press ♪ ♪ You'll all succeed ♪ ♪ But I am like a striper pair of hands ♪ (upbeat music) ♪ And I've got the time to blow through the dark ♪ ♪ All the sweet and light things flowing down ♪ - Okay, I'm gonna say something, and it's gonna sound crazy. When I was a young girl, there was a demon that came alive. ♪ Da, da, da, da, da, da, da ♪ Lydia, we're back. Like, Catherine O'Hara. Lydia, get me my sheets, or I forget. I then don't say his name, though. And then, you know, biking down Jenna Ortega in a bike, you know, just doing her stuff. ♪ You know, just being a genius ♪ ♪ And bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop ♪ ♪ Hey, I'm the ghost of the most ♪ ♪ Hey, you guys want some ♪ ♪ Protecting, check out ♪ - I don't think he says that this time. - End of trailer, yeah. - I like the guy that's in Danny Elfman's band, that's on the tube, I just go, ♪ Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop ♪ - Very prominent. - You need me, Danny? - Yeah, throw in the box. (laughing) - All right, I keep a bad trailer. - Yeah, I think it was pretty accurate, right, Mark? - Yeah, very close. - Rest it. - All right.