This season Instacart has your back to school, as in they've got your back to school lunch favorites, like snack packs and fresh fruit. And they've got your back to school supplies, like backpacks, binders and pencils. And they've got your back when your kid casually tells you they have a huge school project due tomorrow. Let's face it, we were all that kid. So first call your parents to say I'm sorry, and then download the Instacart app to get delivery in as past as 30 minutes all school year long. Get a $0 delivery fee for your first three orders while supplies last. Minimum $10 per order. Additional terms apply. I'm Millie Tamaras. And I'm Elise Morales. And this is Go Touch Crash. The podcast where we log in. So you can log off. Elise and I are two chronically online comedians and on this pod, we break down the weekend internet discourse, viral memes, TikTok trends and niche influencer drama so that you can literally do anything else with your time. And if you like what you hear today and you want to hear more, we've got to go Touch Crash Patreon already up and running with tons more content every week, access to our Discord community and our spin-off series Search History where we go back and break down a viral discourse from the past. And don't forget to leave us a five star rating and review. We love your reviews. We need more of them. We just got a really nice feature on Apple podcast. Yes. We are emerging voices. We are emerging voices. And if you've heard our voices emerge and you like what you've been hearing, please leave us a five star rating and review. And just tell your friends. That's the best review. Yes. Tell your friends. Repost us. Do all that. We really want to keep this going. Yeah. We would really like to keep doing everything that we're doing. And I am going. I'm going to say this now. I've been holding this. And I think it's time to say because of the influx of incredible reviews that we're about to get. Millie's name is spelled M-I-L-L-Y. Yes. And my name is spelled A-L-I-S-E. Yes. A-L-I-S-E. We get the most wonderful, beautiful reviews. The kindest reviews in the world with our names. Smells crazy. Like M-I-L-L-E-Y. My, Lee. Millie with two eyes. E-L-I-S-E. That's played me my whole life. But I get a Lisa a lot. Listen. We love you. We love you so much. We love the positive feedback. We love the positive feedback so much. But I was, I've seen it enough in our reviews that I was like maybe we should just say how to spell our names. Say our name. Say our name. It's in the graphic of this. It is. But you know what? Yeah. Listen. Who has the time? Me, the type of queen. Someone, I spell things wrong all the time. I know there are different ways to spell either of our names. So just M-I-L-L-I-A-L-I-S-E. Yeah. Available kicks in my ass. Available can never spell that right. And also, when I got the nails, when I got the acrylics, nothing's getting spelled right. I'm misspelling them, misspelling whatever. But if you're taking the time, your time is precious. Yeah. We wanted to count and M-I-L-I-A-L-I-S-E. You did just say M-I-L-L-I. Can you just say M-I-L-I-Y? See, I'm typing them. It could ask that all the reviews are familiar. I know. I'm like, I'm botting myself. I know. Jesus Christ. Well, but seriously, we love you and we love your five star reviews in all of their forums. I just thought, you know, it's time for us to address this. And now it's time for us to address the beautiful and amazing person who is in this room with us. There'll be 100 people, but one of them is our guest. She's a friend of the pod. She's a comedian. She's an actress. She's a fellow podcast host. She's a fellow Cubans. Thank you so much. And most importantly, she's from Jersey. Is that the most important thing about me? You're not. Yeah, I absolutely, you're not. That's right. Let's give it up for Ariel leading. Oh, studio audience. Because of us. Millie's reaction did say to do a film Murphy voice for that, but I don't. In reference to the meme, we're from Jersey and you're not. I don't even know that meme. Are you really from the DNC roll call? No, sorry. Ladies and gentlemen, we're from Jersey and you're not. I know. See how I just didn't. See, I'm already out of the discourse. You guys keep up. I'm not keeping the discourse. Do one of those things. Keep up or listen to the podcast. I'm done full. Well, well, I thought I have. You thought I did. I thought wrong. Well, here I am. Here you are. And we're so excited to have you. I know how to spell your names. And also it is on the graphic. So I am judging. Yeah. Well, you know, we can judge our five star reviewers. You guys won't. I will. You can tell things right. If you leave less than a five star and it's spelled wrong because they could be talking about anybody. If it's not about me, I don't know. I don't know. Miley. Miley and Elisa. I've never heard of them. Yeah. It was like, I think I remember like a kid who was like talking about his birthday party. That was like when I was a preschool teacher for. Oh my god. Milly lore. When I was a preschool teacher in Patterson, New Jersey, I'm doing it. I put in the work. Okay. Yeah. And this one kid was like, Oh, my birthday. You're not. It's like, well, you're not the teacher was like, you're not having a birthday party. And he's like, well, she's like, you don't even know when your birthday is. You've got to remember as your birthday. And he's like, um, um, damn, I know your birthday is. You think you just fell out of a coconut tree? I know that one. Okay. Ariel, between your podcast fraudsters and your TikTok, where you talk about your favorite lifetime movies that are ripped from the headlines. I was, that was paid content. But yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure. Listen, you still made it. I still did make it. That's true. That's true. Shout out to lifetime. But you do a lot of content around liars, cheaters, fraudsters, scammers. This theme will come up later when we get to grass hole. What makes this so interesting to you? Oh, um, because I've been, I've been fraud, but also I've, I've committed some, some fraudulent things that I will not talk about on this podcast, but I've done some things. I've seen some things and I just find it interesting. I, what I find the most interesting is that most of the people that get away with it the most have done things that are so blatantly fraudulent. Um, and that's how they're able to get away with it. Someone like a Donald Trump or a, what was my boy's name? I'm my, which one? Exactly. Exactly. They got so like arrogant that they're not going to get caught. That's what I'm thinking. So blatant, so arrogant that it's like, yeah, but truly my queen because he just has gone away with so much going on. He's whatever you want him to be. Yeah, well, he's famously Brazilian. He was passing Brad, bad checks and Brazil. I mean, I guess we don't know anything. We don't know anything about him. He's not one of ours. He was passing bad checks in Brazil. That's where he was performing a guitar of a wash. To car of a fudge. Who knows? No one will ever know. Famously no Cuban fraudsters. Yeah, no, not me. Yeah, yeah, not me. So yeah, so you're saying that people get so like, egregious with their stuff that it's just like, they think they're gonna, I mean, they do, they get away with it because they're so egregious with it. Well, it's because people like, they can possibly be lying. That would be too crazy. They're fully lying. And I love that. Wow. Yeah. Well, this theme will come back. The same will come back. But Ariel, before we get there, me and you have so much in common. Oh, wow. We're both Afro-Latina. That's true. We have this gorgeous, full head of curly hair. You betrayed me today. I did straighten it. That couldn't be bothered. Yeah. Well, that's really what it is. I could not be bothered. But most importantly, you're my sister in struggle. Wow. On the front lines with Android activism. Wow. It's you and me against the world. What's it like to be a leader in the movement? And what is the most common misconceptions about owning an Android that people do not get? Wow. Say it. I'm giving you the shared platform. Wow. I am so glad that Apple has shouted you guys out. Yeah. I mean, you know what's going on? No, that's Apple. Thank you so much. Apple was ever. Apple products. Yes, but not the phone. The phone now. Come on. My phone is a Google Pixel 6. Exactly. I think they're up to like 14 now. Wow. I haven't had to upgrade. Why? Because it works. Because it's a good phone. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Okay. It's so hard being me. Every single day, the discrimination that I face, the abuse, the oppression. You've had it. It's at least really every day. You need to listen. You need to listen. I wasn't saying anything. I wasn't saying anything. You need to know what to talk. I went to listen. Okay. And that's a message for all Apple users. You need to know when to talk. You need to know what to listen. Okay. And yeah, people don't get it. Talk about the discrimination that I face. So when you're here on Android Island, it's a lonely island because people say they want to FaceTime you. They can't. They want to send you airdrop things. They can't. So it actually weeds out some of the people in my life that I don't need. Okay. Yeah. Like dating a lot of the time, they'd be like, you have why is there green bubbles? You don't want to talk to you. It's green. And I lost many a many a suitor. Me too. Many a suitor. Hashtag. You discussed this in your subway tape. I just discussed this in my subway tape. These guys that, oh, you got to agree. You know why they don't like with themselves out. They with themselves out. But you know why? Because a guy who's like, they don't know what to do with you. Yeah. You're like, you know, readable. They don't know when you're reading their text. They don't know. They don't know. You're hard to pin down. Yeah. You're a loose can. You're a wild card. They want a woman they can keep tabs on. They want to read receipts. They want that. What do y'all have? You follow each other and shit on Apple phones? I do not share my location. Yes. You know, I don't even know what it's called. Now I share my location with my husband. And there was like a specific reason we turned it on. But I know people. I know the reason patriarchy. Yeah. And the reason is that he likes to know where I am. But like, there are people who share their location with so many others and so many friends. I don't do that. There's that find my friends thing where you can see where all your friends are all the time. I'm not, I don't understand that. I don't like that. I've seen things where people are like, I had a stalker and then she used find my friends to find me. And I'm like, yeah, why do you have a stalker? I'm sorry. That's not a victim blame. But I'm saying like, no, I'm a victim blame. Turn it off. If I have a stalker, I'm probably deleting find my friends. Right. Immediately. Or get an Android. Get an Android. Get an Android. You're even in the conversation. Right. Okay. Your heart's a pin down. No one knows what you're doing. And you know, if somebody loves you and they have an Apple phone, they will download the necessary apps to make things happen. Exactly. And that's, and that's a big word of like, when you love someone, you will do the work. Yeah, you'll do the work. Sure. Yeah. You'll send me photos and videos on WhatsApp. Exactly. And you can FaceTime me through Google Meet. Google Meet. Okay. Okay. You know what? Me and Millie, I know I tried to consider myself. Listen, WhatsApp is good. It gets the job done. Instagram has, Instagram, I would call it fake time when we would do little fake time videos. Listen. So there are ways, and if you love someone, they'll make it. But I just like really wanted to put that spotlight because, you know, it's an issue that plagues us every day. And I think people don't get it. And you know, I'll get on my soapbox all day, all day on my soapbox. I love that. And literally every day, the producer of my other podcast is like, hey, can we just get you an Apple phone? No, no, no, no, because now I'm doubling down. Why? No, no, no, absolutely not. Are you not communicating with me now? So what you just want me to take my race to? Yeah, what else you want? Huh? I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. Sucked up anyway. So thank you for that. Thank you for putting a spotlight on. No, no, no, no. I respect what both of you guys are doing, and I respect your lifestyle choices. Thank you. Thank you so much. At least it's making words. At least it's done the work. At least it's made of words. She's making our lives. She knows sometimes. She was being a little shady, but it's okay. Yeah. Well, you know what? The shade, that's her issue. She has to work out. That has nothing to do with us. Yeah, that's true. It's her projections. That's true. You're so right. Projecting. It's true. I'm projecting. You're projecting in the bubbles. I'm on my feelings because I could have a cheaper phone. Yeah. Well, that doesn't break. That lasts long. That lasts long enough. That lasts long enough. Can I say something embarrassing? People are like, how do you like your flip phone? And I'm like great, because it started being like really crusty and really like fucked up. My screen was cracked. Remember what you remember seeing my screen cracked? And I'm like, that's the only thing. That's my only complaint. Guys, it was the screen protector. Actually, both fine. And I actually don't have to replace it. Yeah. And I was going to literally get it upgraded to the six. So I'm like, fuck, like that's my one. And it was, it was just the screen protector. I'm actually rocking a cracked screen protector right now. Wow. Wow. Sometimes it's a system protector. Women are exactly honest. Well, let's get to the important stuff. Yes. Before we get to the discourse, there's been quite a few updates that I just wanted to share. So I'm going to do a rundown of things that have happened in the past week. We'll do really quick. Because again, we have, we have to get to the discourse. But I do want to help leave space for these updates. So just reactions real quick. Things we talked about on the pod. Yes. Our characters from the pod are coming back in this segment. So it's like update corner, headlines, toplines, we'll come up with the news for like a thing for this segment. But first of all, we do have to start the pod with some really sad news. I know this is like a comedy podcast, but like we have to be serious right now. Vladimir, the Russian spy whale was found dead under mysterious circumstances. Off the coast of Norway, there's 100% real. The most unsettling thing about this, at least I don't even know if you know this, that he was fucking assassinated. What? He has bullet holes in it. Well, it said mysterious circumstances. Well, I don't know. Well, that's right. That's serious. Someone assassinated. Gotten bullets to Vladimir the whale. Why'd they gun them down like that? Girl, we need to avenge Vladimir. So he was a Russian asset. Yes. We do know. So his name in Norwegian, where he was found, is Vladimir, but then that's Vladimir in like Norwegian or whatever. And they did find him wearing a little vest that said property of St. Petersburg. So yeah, so. And he was doing reconnaissance spying. He was but he was freed. He was he was trying to live his life back. He was out of that game for a while. And it got up with him. And they're trying to find the assailant. People are pissed. So I just want to give a moment. Wow. Of silence. Someone shot the way. Someone shot the fucking whale, at least. Bullet holes, Doug. Bullet holes. You made it hot for him, honestly. This year, you made it hot for him. Listen, you should have never bought him up on the pod. He was living his quiet life in the last hour, whatever. He was kind of immediately after we talked about him, I'm gonna put a little bit of a story. Well, while we're getting these apple podcast features. It's hard, it's a hard burden to be an emerging voice. It's all I have to say. Now that we're emerging voices on apple podcast, we have to take the power more seriously. But I just want to say, I want to leave a moment of silence for our by whale show King. Rest in power. Rest in power. Bladder moment of silence. Okay, thank you. That's the second time we've had to do a moment of silence for an animal that we've talked about on the podcast. Well, I'm not gonna, Alice the fish. Alice the fish. I'm not going to stop doing this. This is hard. This is hard. It's hard work. Reporting, promoting. It's just hard. Yeah. I mean, watch this face. Yeah. Well, that was beautiful. Thank you, Ariel. Thank you. Speaking of other sad tragic news, the hot to a girl Haley Welch announces a new podcast called talk to on Jake Paul's better podcast network. If you're wondering what's going, what could possibly go on on that podcast? It could not be those, none of those words are in the Bible. Yeah, I was, yeah, I was really not in the Bible. Jake Paul is down in the Bible, whatever podcast. I was really disturbed by all of the details of what you just said. Well, in case you are wondering the first episode, there's a clip from the first episode circulating, where her guest is comedian, Whitney Cummings, and in the thing, Whitney, FaceTime's Matt Rife to try to get him to date the hot to a girl Haley Welch. Let's get him to date, talk to us. Exactly. So just completely cursed things. Okay. Excuse me, an instant migraine. Yeah, like instantaneous. And I don't like to use this word often, but it is white nonsense. Yeah, I think that that's the definition of white nonsense. And I, I, you know, when we talked about Hark Toa, we were fair to her and we said, you know, you can't just say that she's right leaning just because she's in Nashville and she's got a little accent. And she had gone on a podcast where she was asked if she would Hark Toa on Donald Trump. And she said, no. Okay. You know, we left the benefit of it, it all opened to her, but this is disturbing information. Jay Paul, Matt Rife, and Whitney Cummings, it ain't looking good. When you're asking if she would Hark Toa on Donald Trump, does she mean on his dick? I think that's a person. I think it's on his dick. Okay, okay, just making sure because then that's a real distinction. That is a huge distinction. I think in the context of the podcast, it was, would you fuck Donald Trump's dick? Okay, I just, I need to know those things. I need to know. I need to know. And to be fair, she did get famous for saying that she gives good blow jobs. She's probably not talking about politics. She's probably making deep, little, little commentary. Yeah, she might start. She might. Yeah, we gotta listen to the product. And speaking of conservatives, conservative comment, there's a new update, conservative commentator Matt Walsh, who we covered for trying to cancel Miss Rachel for saying happy pride. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Matt Walsh has recently come out strong against raw milk, which is another main character. He came out against raw milk and has pissed people off with this tweet. Raw milk is disgusting. We live in our first world, civilized society, and people are actively choosing to consume milk riddled with E. coli and listerium. Pasterization is not some evil sorcery. It just kills the dangerous bacteria, you morons. So he lost a lot of people. He lost a lot of his followers. Are there that many people drinking raw milk? Oh, yes. That was on our keynote episode that there are a lot of people drinking raw milk. Yeah, I, we were talking about this the other day that I was looking through just a casual Pinterest recipe. Oh, Jesus. And what do you know, raw milk drop, the, you know, in like the big, long thing, they write at the beginning of the Pinterest recipe for the recipe. For some reason, I didn't hit jump to recipe. And I was scrolling through what this woman had to say. And she was like, women voices. Yeah, actually, that's really nice. I was like, now that I'm postpartum, I only drink raw milk. And I said, yeah. Oh, no. And then I couldn't even make her recipe because I'm like, I can't trust this recipe. No, yeah. This lady drinks bacteria. And it's a her child. And give me her a child. You know, and this is what I'm saying, Twitter, that's a lot of slack for being right leaning, rightfully so. But we need that same energy for Pinterest because print the shit that's going on. I'm crazy. Pinterest is crazy. Am I on it? Yes. But sometimes I want to look at pictures of stuff. And that's great. But it's a bunch of yapping. Yeah, Twitter people are reading. I want to look at pictures. I want to see how this bitch in fucking Ohio has her living room for fall. Yeah. That's all I want to see. But guess what? Right leaning shit. So I'm just letting you know. Finally, the publication time of this pod, this pod recorded on Monday released on Wednesday. When this pod releases, the nine month Royal Caribbean crew serenade of the seeds will finally be over. Oh my God, I forgot about that. You forgot about it. I did. To an end. It returns to Miami on September 10th. It was for 274 days at sea and hit a total of 160 destination, including eight world wonders. We follow this along the world. We've got a lot of memes and it's finally coming to an end. Reflections. I mean, I just can't wait to see the video of everyone deboarding the crews looking at their new selves. Like, I wonder if we'll be able to see in their eyes that they've been changed by the nine. They're already reflecting. Like, they're already, they're already things of like, this is, we have one more week left. I'm so sad. Well, they were like people on TikTok doing like almost like reality. Like, this is me. Yes, yes. Those are updates. Any of the final thoughts before we move on to the next segment? Okay. I have a final thought that is related to talk to it and it's kind of a prediction and it's a really cursed prediction and I hate to put it out in the world, but I also need to put it out in the world in case it comes true. Okay. Okay. Do you know the trend in like recent years with elections? Like, the political candidates will go on podcasts. I already know what's happening. Yeah. A semi friendly. I'm not talking about like Joe Biden on POD Save America. I'm talking about like them going like how Obama used to go on. This wasn't a podcast per se, but like Obama and Hillary went on between two firms. If you go on like a friendly entity where you can show your personality to do an interview, it's not necessarily overtly political, but like, you know they're your friends. So like Trump just went on the Theo Vaughn podcast, which is put a pin in that discourse. I am ready to say here on go to trash that I think before the election, Kamala Harris will go on call her daddy. Oh, no, I don't think that I don't think that will happen. I think that's too far. That's too far. I think it might because again, call her daddy. They're not asking any hard hitting questions. They're not making any like subversive points like we are. Yeah. They're not talking about spy whales. Okay. They're making everybody look cool and talk about sucking dick. And like, she got to talk about how she goes down on Doug. And she got some and again, Kamala is going to talk about going down. I mean, I think it's too sexual of a podcast for her to do, but she's not going to have a sexual question. Well, yeah, but I think I don't know when I was watching this Katy Perry interview that she did. I was like, Oh, this is actually the perfect weird place for her to go and get this little cred of like, Oh, I did a cool podcast because you know, she asked Katy Perry, like, why did you work with Dr. Luke? And then Katy Perry said a bunch of words out and she was like, great. So it's like, that's the energy. I do think it's a cursed prediction, but I do think we could, we could be living in a world where we were like, Hey, daddy gang, it's the vice president Kamala Harris. She makes me want a blood club. Yeah, sorry that I said it out loud, but I had to say no, thank you. Thank you for that. No, I get where your head is at. I just don't think it's going to happen. And I hope that you are very wrong. Okay, I'm hoping for the best. For our country. Yeah, I'm hoping for the best. Well, and that leaves us today to today's e dictionary, which is something I've been seeing online and it comes up in our discourse. And also, that's what this is what Elise's prediction made me want to do. And the word of the day is crashing out. Oh, yeah, crash out. So crash out means to commit a act of violence due to rage or and and lack of and a lack of logic. So like, people have kind of the source of it kind of is related to crash dummy. It's like a person was consistently willing to commit acts of violence over trivia or often unserious matters. Again, to go insane and do something stupid. And again, violence in the way that the internet has used it is like she chose violence today when she tweeted this. Yeah, we're like, you know, she's texting her X a hundred times like she's crashing out, you know, so in that way, you know, something small triggered a big huge reaction. I kind of say like it's similar to freak out a little bit like freaking out. But the word of the e dictionary word is crash out. Crash out. Crash out crashing out. So are we ready for the discourse? I'm ready. So ready. So ready. Okay. Today's discourse is all about the ice spice. That has happened this past week. Millie told me we were talking about this and I purposefully avoided so that I can hear in real time the details. Okay. Well, let's introduce the cast of characters. We have ice spice, whose real name is Isis, Nigel Gaston, professionally known as ice spice. She's an American rapper, born and raised in the Bronx, her birthday is January 1st, 2000. I don't like that. So I don't know what you know, what you mean, it's a thousand. She began her musical career in 2021. That's when she started rapping. She started collabing with Riot, who is another character, something right. Gaston is of mixed ethnicity, her father, is of African American descent, like Nigerian, people say, and her mother, Sharina Alamazzar. It's Dominican. Sure enough. I actually didn't know that it's. Yeah. Well, you just said the name. Ice spice gained major recognition in late 2022 with her song, Munch, parentheses, Feeling You, which went viral on TikTok. Ice spice is a controversial figure. Because if you think of how high, how big, she's one Grammy. She's one artist of the year. She's one all this stuff, but she's made a lot of headway in just two years. And some people say her rise has been due to her ability to capitalize online, like being online and her internet culture savvy. Some people say that her fame is attributed to this breath of fresh air because she's a hip hop artist, but she specifically focuses in drill music, which is like a subculture of hip hop specifically only in New York. Pop Smoke was like kind of the biggest artist of that genre. So it's like a lot faster and stuff kind of hip hop. And so she was a breath of fresh air in the drill scene is mostly men. And she's talking about like kind of, it's more like truly about violence and stuff. And then she's talking about like being hot and having a big ass. But other people have said that ice spice is the beneficiary of colorism and that she has privilege as a light skinned black woman. And people also do the Cardi B thing where they like even debate her blackness in general. But they say her ability to get attention in the black community is because of her light skinned shell size is proximity to whiteness that darker skin performers don't have that has her being able to get opportunities, right? So that's ice spice. And like this was a context of like where we're out with ice spice. Now we have Cleo Trappa. Cleo Trappa. She's a rapper. She also does kind of drill music too. And she has darker skin. And I would say like she has not had a meteoric rise. Her rise has been like consistent. She's been releasing music for a longer. And she's had like a steady fan base. And I would always say, but she was always had like a career. I would say I would compare Cleo Trappa to someone like Cardi B where it's like she makes music. But she's always had a following. She's very personable, very charismatic, very funny online. And she has gone viral for her like funny takes. But her music hasn't like hit the stratosphere in the way that ice spice has, right? >> That kind of reminds me of like where Sabrina Carpenter was pre going on Air Story and releasing these singles like where she was now, like she was funny and cute. And people knew her exactly there, but she hadn't had a big hit. >> That's so good until that until espresso, but the air is toward too. >> Yeah. >> Like the combination. >> Yeah. >> Perfect. You're setting us up. >> I have to, I have to whitify all of this. >> I know her. >> I know her. >> She was a carpenter before espresso at all. >> Exactly. >> I know she existed at all. >> Exactly. >> And she was in the world. We have a whole Patreon episode about her. >> And Olivia Rodrigo and that's the girl that Olivia Rodrigo is referring to in driver's license. >> So yeah, she's learning things, wow. >> So clip, Trappa. Again, very bubbly, funny personality. I would say similar to Cardi B. Like she has a whole video series of like grammar lessons. And it's so fun. And she's like, you're with the apostrophe apostrophe is be kicking your ass, you know, like with that kind of stuff. So really fun. So, let's go ice spice and baby storm. Baby storm and ice, this is a different character. Baby storm is another musician. She's a dark skim musician. She doesn't rap. She, she, she does like spooky, gothy like pop, which I think you would like and I like her stuff. In April of 2024, baby storm accuses ice spice of using clear Trappa for clout. Baby storm was ice spice's friend. And she claimed like her and ice spice had a falling out. And like baby storm like did a rant and like kind of went erratic. And for days, we would just say, she crashed out. She crashed out. That's a famous crash out. That's why we're circling because she crashed out. And in her crash out, she was saying a lot of stuff. People comparing it to Azalea Banks, who we just talked about, we had a Patreon episode with the many beasts of Azalea Banks. >> We got like seven of them. >> And we only get to seven. But baby storm was like, this is Cleo. This girl chose to be the best friend to ice spice in public. When reality, it was me behind the scenes. So like publicly, ice spice chose to align herself with this other more seasoned rapper and the scene who's dark skid and to like whatever. But behind the scenes, I was her real friend. Cleo and her are not even really best friends. Isis has always hated Cleo. But she used Cleo so that she could appear closer to blackness because Cleo is Nigerian ethnically. And baby storm says ice spice lied about being Nigerian. And she stole that from me. So I don't know, but that's the- >> Can we can you just steal people's ethnicities? I guess, I mean- >> I don't know, you know, I don't know. >> He says that her dad is Nigerian. So- >> Do we have reason to believe that he's not? >> The Wikipedia says he's African American, but so I don't know. But maybe he's Nigerian American. >> And it's funny to be like she got being Nigerian from me. >> Yeah, that part was like- >> So I think maybe a possibility is like, maybe ice spice is dad is half Nigerian. I don't know, but like the dad is Nigerian, the mom is Dominican. But obviously they met in the Bronx. >> Obviously. >> Obviously. Okay, so that was the thing in April 2024, this year. Yeah, so I'm accused of being friends with Cleo for clout and not actually having authentic friendships in general. Because of Isis allegations, or because of baby stormy allegations, Isis is now being seen publicly with Cleo Trappa. She goes to basketball games, or just like I'm really friends with her, you know? And Cleo Trappa was featured in her mood music video. Most recently, and most recently in the opening act, Cleo was the opening act for the US leg of Isis spices Y2K tour. The tour was one month long, and she had 16 stops, including DC Minneapolis, Dallas, Toronto, Oakland, Tempe, like it was just like all over the US, right? So Cleo was opening for her. It wasn't a stadium tour, but it was like a bigger theater tour. It was like a theater, like venues, you know? Cute, right? >> Yeah, sounds really nice. >> Well. >> Until it's not. >> The tour ended August 31st, right? >> Not long ago. >> Not long ago. >> This is fresh discourse. >> This is fresh. September 2nd. Fans noticed that Cleo Trappa and ice spice were no longer following each other. >> Instagram. >> Just days after the US leg of ice spices tour ended. People were speculating like why is this? And somebody says, she just like was in it for a bag. Like Cleo was just like in it for the bag and the opportunity to like get paid. And once she got paid, she stopped being ice spices friend and Cleo replied to a fan saying, y'all thinking I got paid is hilarious. I was played betrayed and unpaid. Cleo wrote in a comment. I had never had a problem with not being paid by the way. She continued another post. I knew I just wanted, I just want everyone to stop thinking I was paid because I wasn't questionable, right? It was weird. She wasn't paid to open. >> Yeah, that seems extremely odd. >> It does seem odd. >> It does seem odd. >> Then after those comments were made, Cleo Trappa posts a six part with 10 minutes each nearly hour long TikTok video, sharing her experiences about her time on tour with ice spice. Cleo Trappa accused ice spice of being a fake friend in the six part video series. In the video, she said she and ice met two years ago when ice was excited to meet her. >> Yeah. >> Like ice was like, oh, I'm such a big fan. I've always followed your career. And later went on to explain why they're not friends anymore. And Cleo says you guys deserve to know who that girl is as a human being. I'm gonna do my best to summarize the one hour long video series. But sometimes things are worth it. Sometimes things are not, it was really good. It was captivating. It was fun. Recitesa level, I'm saying that. >> Yeah, I was watching three of them. I watched three, and I was like, this is too long. >> It's long, but it's, I think it's good. I think it's good. She's a good storyteller. >> She is better than Recitesa. I was bored. >> Well, Recitesa had like so many cliffhangers, but Cleo is, I don't know. >> Too is better. >> Someone's a proform. >> Yeah, she's a proformist. >> Yeah, Cleo accused ice of being a fake friend, right? So going on tour involvement of the Y2K tour, Cleo said she was only given one day to prepare for the tour. Ice called her, I've had invited her on the tour before. It's like you should come on tour and she's like, no, I have a lot of shit going on. I'm not gonna leave my life for a month. And then a day before the tour started, tour started again, July, what is it? July 31st or something, or July 30th? July 28th or 29th, she's calling Cleo. You gotta come on the tour with me. Really, could I come? She's like, yeah, but I'm gonna, you're gonna open for me. And Cleo's like, now this is different. This could change shit up for me. And Cleo was initially taken back because I Spice has never even asked Cleo to come on stage with her to perform. You know what I mean? The way that it's kind of common for rappers to do of, this is my friend, to bring him on stage with them, whatever. Ice never did that with Cleo. So when Cleo asked Spice, okay, yeah, what do I need to prepare? What do I need to do? Do I have to make up whatever? And then Cleo, I said, nothing girl, you're with me. It's all gonna be taken care of. Cleo, Cleo, Trappa, I keep saying Cleo, Patra. It's Cleo. Cleo then speculated the reason I Spice invited her on tour was to make up for that fake shit, basically for all the baby's drums, all the gations. I'm like, she's only using people. She's not really friends with people, all that stuff. So Cleo, Patra felt, Cleo, Trappa, claimed that that gesture that I stood was a moment that, maybe Ice is my real friend, you know? The beginning of the video, the beginning of the series is so powerful. We're gonna watch just so you guys could get the tone, and then I'm gonna ask you guys your thoughts, and then we're gonna keep summarizing the series. >> What's up, y'all? It's your girl Cleo. So, y'all know me. I've always been vocal about everything, about literally everything. Nobody can shut me up. Nobody can silence me. Like, was you silent? Or was you silent? Okay, and nobody's gonna do that to me. This video isn't to bash anyone. This is for me to speak on my experience and what I went through, and I want my fans to learn from this. My fans, my followers, my supporters, my future fans, my supporters, you don't even have to like me. I want y'all to literally take this situation that I'm about to break down to y'all, and be inspired by it. And understand that no matter what the opportunity is, nobody should make you feel less than or make you feel like shit, because they gave you an opportunity. It does not matter. It does not give a door, a open way for somebody to try to humiliate you or try to make you feel less than. And I feel as though being such a confident black woman, I'm sorry. Look, I'm actually used to fuck as a black woman. I didn't even want to like start tearing. Okay. Anyways, as a black woman, a confident one who knows exactly who she is and exactly what she wants in this world, people are so intimidated by it, and it's either you're intimidated and scared of it, or you love it and you just, you just love it. You know what I'm saying? Unfortunately, I was around somebody who was clearly intimidated by me, like, and just who I am as a person. And at first, it might have been something that they liked, but as you can see, I only go up and I could be seen as a threat to somebody who clearly isn't confident. I can fall out with a friend over miscommunications, misunderstandings. That's okay. You know, we can work it out. Honestly, it's not something that is like, has to end everything. You know what I'm saying? But you actually have one time to show me that you are jealous, intimidated, untrustworthy, fake, disloyal, and genuine, manipulative, and calculated. And I promise you, that would be the last time you ever played with me. >> General thoughts? >> Strong words, for sure. I mean, she definitely comes off as very, like you said, like she has a personality, a personable, et cetera. Is she, or is she an eye space the same age? >> I think she might be a little bit older. Yeah, like probably like two or three years older. Eye space is 24. >> Yeah. >> And she might be 27. >> Okay. That sounds right. >> Okay. That was like what I was like, I needed to- >> Yeah, that makes sense. >> No, yeah, that's okay. >> An age to each other as well. >> Yeah. So she has a following, but she has not had like the exposure. Like she doesn't have magazine, right? It was like kind of hard to find like background information about her because she doesn't, like she has, she just not in that level yet. But she has like a huge following and everything. So yeah. >> It's like a TikTok, TikTok famous girl. >> Yeah. >> To me, that's how I would knew her from her grandma radio, really. >> Yeah. Any other thoughts about anything before we get into it? >> She's very self-insured. I'm on her side pretty much no matter what. Whatever ends up coming out, I'm on her side. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, she's talented also. >> She came off as very genuine to me and that's the thing is like I don't actually know her from her music. So I just have to go off like video vibes. And she seemed very genuine to me. I spice I know a little bit more and I've seen some videos of her talking and I spice has always given me a very like stand-offish. >> Stand-offish. >> Stand-offish. >> More reserved, quiet. >> Which doesn't necessarily mean someone's a bad person. But this girl just like pops off the screen in a way that I spice. I mean, I spice visually pops off because she has like the red hair and all that stuff. But I've always remember like when I watch videos of her, she's very like puts a distance between herself and you. >> Mm-hm. >> Whereas this was very like- >> It was like a thousand-yard. >> And yeah, like the hook, the beginning again. And I wanted to show the first three minutes cuz it like summarizes like a lot of the ethos. But it's also like bringing you in, you're her friend, you feel for her like evoking emotion really strong. >> Yeah. >> So let's get into what happened on the tour. >> My gosh. >> So Cleo Trappa claimed that her involvement on the tour received no promotion. Her name wasn't even included on any of the flyers, any of the bills, nothing like no, like we just added this person, nothing. Cleo, this is like where we get nuanced and like, I'm already team because of everything she said, but also like as a creator and performer, when she was talking about, I'm like, I could totally understand and see myself and like, people have done shit like this to me and like, I get the nuances, right? She said she posted, she said she didn't even get a repost. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Like to not even get a repost and you're doing the opening for you. >> It's just shady all around, yeah. >> It's just shady and it doesn't seem like a big deal, but it's like that is a big deal. >> No, it is, it feels our purpose. >> Your eyes, exactly. But it's like, especially like, you do the, you open because you want to be a Sabrina Carpenter, you want to get to the next level and to not even like, have the main story like promo you, it's just like weird. >> I mean, I have felt a version of this so many times. >> So many times when like, you're hosting a show and one of the people won't repost the poster and you're like, I put you on my show. >> Yeah. >> Can you repost the poster? Like, do you not want to do my show? Do you not want to be associated with what I'm doing? Like, I 100% as small of a thing as it sounds like, I totally understand being like, >> So this is who? >> Never fucking repost it. >> She never reposted the type. This is just the beginning, all right? We just fucking, we're getting started. >> We just cracked it open. >> We just cracked it open. So not only was she not on the bill, didn't get reposted, whatever. Isis, all the fucking social media, everything, all the promotion would say that the show started at eight or nine, but Cleo would go up at 730. Like before they would even advertise. So she's not even saying that, my friend Cleo's come outperforming. She's so people would be, she would be performing as people are walking in. >> Yeah. >> People are like, what? >> Cuz if I saw a show poster that said the show starts at eight, I would think that's when the opener is going on. >> Open up starts, exactly, yeah. >> That's what, that's, not to be constantly like Eric's tour, but like, Eric's tour started, I think it was at 730, and that's when Pera Moore went on. So like, if I see that, I'm not showing up at seven because I don't think anything- >> Nobody's happened. The doors aren't even open at seven, they might have. >> Yeah, I don't think that the venue is available to me. >> And I like seeing openers because it gives you like, it lets you get the hand. And also, a lot of the bands I listened to, a lot of groups artists, they were all openers. And I'm like, I fucking love this vibe. And I would go, I would go, it's just the best form of promotion. I would go and be like, and then go see them, like when they come by themselves, anyway. So things got to a turning point when Cleo received no help carrying her luggage from, so they would get, they'd be on a tour bus, go from tour bus to hotel to venue or hotel to venue than tour bus. So all between that, like, she wouldn't get any help carrying her bags. To me, I'm thinking about like, right now comedy, which again, Jay brought up, a comedy show, I'm still dressing up, I'm doing my makeup, I'm doing my hair, all that is important. I'm like, how many suitcases would I have to have? Because 16 shows, you have to have 30 outfits, at least like performing out. >> Yeah, and you're performing as a musician. >> So you need to be like more than the talent. Can you help me out? >> So the level of looks that you're trying to pull for something like this? >> Exactly. So okay, think about that. How much luggage would you bring for a 16 stop tour? And then bring enough from hotel to venue to tour bus. So I spice, she has like 10 to 12 bags, and she gets like her security, her team is bringing all the bags for her. So Cleo was embarrassed one day after the show, after the show, she had to bring her own suitcases around. And she was like, fans were waiting outside to meet and greet her and stuff, and they saw her, like they captured her, like carrying her bags on the tour bus, because Iceman's team refused to carry Cleo's bags. Cleo asked Ice, like, hey, like, do you know what the bag situation is? Like, could your staff help me take my bags? And I said no, because then her staff wouldn't want to be paid extra to take Cleo's bags. Cleo said that's okay, I can pay them extra, like, is it like more of an hourly rate or what, like, like, because I'll do it, like, because it's worth it for me. Yeah, even though that's also insane for her to say, like, also, it's like, she's not paying her to open, and she can't even give them, like, it would only, it's not even an hour. You have to carry and I like, what is it, like, two extra bags, like. So then Cleo's like, okay, well, what's the extra rate I can pay? And then, then, Ice is like, oh, well, security's paid a flat rate. So it wouldn't really work for you to pay them extra. So then Cleo goes on to say, like, if they're paid a flat rate, then they have to carry whatever you tell them. So if you tell them to carry my bags, like, they'll do it. But like, just put your bags on top of a speaker or something and have them bring both of the same, like, I don't understand why. Unless we forget from the beginning, she was like, I've got you, like, you're under my wing, exactly, or my people. So Cleo felt like I just wanted to humble her, like, wanted her to get that experience of carrying her own bags and all that stuff, right? And the another thing, right, was Cleo was expected to pay for her own lodging during all of the, like, during the whole tour. And they're staying at five star hotels, right? So again, after the bag conversation, something switches. And before, right, I said, you're with me, you're fine. Cleo's assuming that she's going to be in high school hotel room. So what happens is over the course of the tour, ICE would be like, like, one time, ICE is like, hey, like, my boyfriend, Riot, because she's dating Riot, my boyfriend's going to be staying in the room with me. So can you, whatever, can you make other? But one time, like, like, after the luggage conversation, basically, ICE, like, in front of everybody goes to Cleo and is like, so you're not having your own room. Like, where's your room or something? Like, kind of embarrassed her like that. And Cleo was like, oh, I thought I was with you. Like, oh, sorry. And you know, so it was like, whatever, like, kind of that thing of like, wait, I thought you were my friend, like, you're not. Yeah. And I'm also, again, I'm just like, I don't know, I'm not a musician, whatever, but shouldn't the opener have a room that's paid for by the tour? I guess my question at this point, is there like, are there contracts? And also, if ICE is as big as a superstar as you think she is, whatever, wouldn't you then take care of your opener or make sure the contracts had happened so that your opener can have all the things or it's or it's a flex is what she was trying to do. It's a flex. So right again, it's another thing where it's like, are you trying to, like, make me feel bad? Yeah. So Cleo ended up staying in the like hairstylist room, like for the rest of the tour. So that because again, the hairstylist has to come with their own, because the hairstylist, the makeup artist, here's a clothing stylist, like they all have their own rooms. So she would, like, stay with them during the tour. Cleo also claimed that, you know, she never had any space backstage. Like the, the agreement was because they're friends, they would split the dressing room. And also, like, this isn't an arena, like the dressing rooms and all of that, like, they're smaller. It's like smaller venues. So they would only have one dressing room. So for the most part, like, it would be her splitting it with ice or like she would get ready first or whatever, and have to do her own makeup, have to do her own hair and stuff. But after the luggage conversation, ice would like ice, ice her out or they would put her, her in a bathroom, like her dressing room was the bathroom that everyone would have the crew would use. Oh my God. I did not get this far in the video. So I'm like, yeah, yeah. One time, like, ice, she put Cleo put her, like, her purse on the couch in ice devices dressing room. And when she came in, like, left the dressing room to give ice space to get ready alone, when she came, like, she saw that her purse was hanging outside the door. And then the next day, she found that somebody had used her card and, like, charged at $700. And yeah, so it's like, because of that, it's just like, why did you do that? Like, so, okay. She says she doesn't know and did it, whatever. Allegedly. So she couldn't have anybody, but then there ended up being an extra tour bus van. So she's like, okay, well, maybe my, like, I could bring an assistant and that person could, like, carry my bags and help me do my makeup and help me with everything for the show. And the assistant came out to Chicago and then was about to get on the bus to go to the next tour. And they're like, no, there's no room for you. So she couldn't bring this assistant, okay. Other times were during the group food orders, they would order food for the whole crew. And one day, like the whole crew, like, you know, again, the stage hand, whatever, the makeup person, they're all getting, like, chicken salads. So they passed the phone to Cleo. So she could order her thing. And she orders a chicken salad. And then management goes back and says, like, no, you're not on the budget for chicken salad. So you can't have, you can join this group order. Because she was, so Cleo said, like, that was an also like a humiliating moment that she felt like was intended to humble her. Yeah, because like, if ice was a real friend, she would have paid for the thing herself. Chicken salad. And yeah, so she was like, chicken salad, I don't get chicken salad. And or they could have sent her an invoice at the end or Cleo could pay for something, but it was like, things like that, right? I have just a few more instances before you just to be like, crazy. Other instances include that one day, right? They were told to be at the bus at nine a.m. because they're leaving to go to the next place. Cleo already. So most tour buses, like the artist has the room in the back of the bus, like a big room with a huge bed, and then little bunk beds, you know, like stacked on top three on whatever. So Cleo was already like kind of halfway through the tour. After the luggage conversation, Cleo was already like kind of like ostracized to the bunk bed thing. She goes in at nine a.m. to the bunk bed. She goes to sleep. She's like sleeps. And when she wakes up, she sees that the bus hasn't moved that they're still there. And it was like, oh, ice isn't ready to leave yet. So it's like, why don't you guys tell me I've been on this bus from nine to two p.m. And like, we're in the still same place, like I could have done something, whatever. So again, little things like that. Cleo tried to make the best out of the situation. She says, again, like, you know, I Spice was being very weird towards her, but also like, I Spice doesn't like to do anything. Like she's not fun. Like, she doesn't even like to play, like, she doesn't play board games. She doesn't like during the tour, whatever. She won't even play Uno. This is like the biggest case. Not even going to play Uno, not even a game of Uno. Well, her blackness wasn't questioned. And now she want to play Uno. I have questions. I have questions when I want to play Uno. Then one day, this is like, this was the most egregious to me. One day, they were in the middle of nowhere between Texas and Mexico. That's what she said. You know, like the closest thing to eat, there was no Uber each or anything. The closest thing was a McDonald's, which is a 10 minute walk away. And she was scared. She was trying to get people from the tour. Like, no one was really talking about food and no one, whatever. So she was like, okay, let's try to figure out like who can come with us to McDonald's, right? I'm going to play what happened. Went downstairs and I seen her in the lobby and her and some other boy, one of his friends is just standing there, you know, with a basketball. I'm like, oh, what y'all just did? Oh, we were playing basketball, whatever, whatever. Nobody said anything about eating. Nobody. I'm like, me and the kids started to keep talking about food. We like, oh, then we mad hungry. Like, we mad hungry. Just a McDonald's or nobody said anything about food while me and her are talking about how hungry we are. Now we go to the boys bus, tour bus, and we just sitting on the bus. He's just like, yo, like, is somebody coming up to McDonald's? Like, nobody want to walk there by themselves. We take one of me and we're like, oh, that's mad for like, no, like, word is desert. It's scary. I'm like, okay. Nobody said anything about food still. Come to find out everybody ate. Can you believe that? Everybody ate. That's what they all went to a steakhouse. Everybody went to a steakhouse and left me, the hairstylist, and the makeup artist. Everybody went to go get a bite steak, mash, cream corn, spinach, and we didn't have anything. We didn't eat at all. We're trying to figure out how to get a McDonald's and got all ate already. Nobody mentioned it. You know why nobody mentioned it? Because it was a secret. It was a secret and I gagged. One of the things that I have to charge to the game, I guess, I'm like, what? They said, don't say anything. We don't want to make it a problem. I'm not gonna say anything. One of the things I'm just gonna have to bring up when I'm ready to leave. That's insane. That's so messed up. And also for the hairstylist and the makeup artist, you made them starve too? Yeah, it's actually. Well, it's like they were punishing her for being friendly with her. I'm punishing the girls for being friendly with Cleo. That, yeah. Honestly, that makes a lot of sense to me because it is so bizarre to me to have a group dinner that includes everyone but three people. That is. And make it a secret. No one talk about it. Yeah. That's crazy. And they're both talking about being hungry and everyone's just sitting there like, that is so shady. And then also, at least, if you really want to keep your stupid fucking secret, walk them to McDonald's. Why weren't any of the guys gonna walk them to McDonald's? You're full of steak and mashed potatoes and stuff. Walk it off and take these girls to McDonald's. It's, this is insane. Yeah. So what say you guys so far? So I guess my question at this point, because I still don't know this. I didn't research that much about this situation, but why did Cleo continue on to this tour? So her, her rationale was like, I'm just going to get through the tour. And like every time something would happen, she's like, I'm just going to bring it up at the end because I'm just waiting for this to be over. And I'm just going to bring it up at the end because look at how I like my treatment got worse when I made the request about the luggage. I don't want to wreck the boat. And then finally, like the second to last show was Atlanta and her mom was going to go to that one. So she's like, I have to make it to this show. Also, when her friends would go see her, they were not allowed up allowed backstage, like, or anything like that, you know, whatever. But yeah, that was her thing. I have to go basically my mom, I want my mom to see me and also like- >> Yes, I'll suck it up. >> Yeah, she's just, I'm going to suck it up. I'm going to bring it up later to ice spice. And also, she was scared. If she freaked out whatever about the luggage thing, she's trying to be very careful about what she does. >> I'm saying though, if you're not getting paid and you're not getting fed and you're being treated as a second class citizen, then let's just, I'm going to charge it to the game and move on. I'm like, okay, you clearly don't want me as your opener. I'm going to head out. >> Yeah, that is why I honestly asked about her age because I was like, you do not have to take this girl. You need to keep the hell out of there. But I also do understand like she's literally on a tour bus with all of her stuff. Like then there's probably like a Stockholm syndrome element to it where you feel like, you can't, I can't cancel the tour. I can't leave. There's so many things in my life where I put up with so much bullshit because I was like, well, I can't quit. And it's like, my number one piece of advice that I would ever give to any young person coming up in the arts of any kind is you absolutely can quit. >> Yeah, you can walk out. >> You can walk out and most of the time it's like, it'll be okay. >> Yeah, and I guess it's like, right 16 days, 30 days, it's not that, it's really a month. And also it's probably go, go, go, go, go. As soon as they live the movie, so it's like, there's a lot of shit and I could totally see her like, look, there's a week left or there's two new stuff like, let me just see this through and whatever versus like, if it was a year-long thing that would be whatever, but yeah. >> That's not true. >> I don't know, but I can't, I can't starve for that long. I can't starve for a month. >> Yeah, well, I get how the circumstances probably made her feel like, oh, I'll just stick it out. I'll complain at the end. I'm already here. I'm with my stuff. I'm trapped in it. I couldn't possibly quit. And it's like, let's see what happens if you actually say, I'm walking. >> Yeah, you're not gonna have an opener, get another opener for the rest. >> But she has another opener, male rapper, who's on the bill? >> Yeah, I mean, it does seem like a lot of this stuff. The way it went down publicly, like for her to publicly be told, you're not on the budget for the chicken salad. Why don't you have a room, so at the making her carry her bags in front of people, it does. It does speak to her point of like, someone who's trying to humble you, make you feel bad. It is giving that ice spice wanted to be very clear about who was on the top of this ticket. But I feel like the other thing is, you can do that by being insanely generous. Yeah, that's the other thing. She could have showed her, what she really wanted to do was like, big dick her and show her how much of a bigger star she was and all this stuff. You could do that by providing her with so much stuff and so much. >> And then also, that girl will be loyal to you forever, like- >> Look at my unimaginable wealth, you could have two chicken salads. >> Yeah, right. >> Come with us, bring your boyfriend, bring this, all this stuff. So basically, she goes through all this, she gets home, she sends ice like basically like, hey, I don't really like how I was treated, blah, blah, it made me feel really bad, whatever. To air her grievances on the tour privately, Ice Resplied replied that she's ungrateful for the opportunity that she was given and all this stuff. And she had really nasty replies, you can see in the screenshots. Ultimately, so that was when Cleo was like, you know what, fuck you. And that's when Cleo said, I felt like I was invited on the tour to damage control the situation with Baby Storm. So then Ice responds on September 3rd on Twitter Spaces. She does like kind of like a clubhouse live thing. >> Get out of Twitter Spaces. >> Yeah, why are you there? >> I was like, that Twitter Spaces exists specifically for like Republicans to launch Next Up campaigns. >> Well, you know, and this is how she addresses the concerns. She's like, y'all know this is not funny. Crashing out is sad, you guys. The scary part of fame is the moment that someone feels they can no longer use your platform or like they're not exactly getting what they want out of a situation the way that they want it. You know what I mean? That's when they decide to crash out over every single thing. And then she's like, this is a pattern. I was genuinely trying to help her. We had extra room and I said, you want to come on this tour? And it was last minute. And we had extra bunks and I was like, let's see if Cleo wants to come. She could do her songs and stuff like that. But that's what I fucking get for trying to be her good person, whatever, bro. I spice claim that Cleo left out so many details about her time on tour, recalling their time. She's like, I can't believe she said they don't like to do things like we went to an amusement park and we were having fun. And you're trying to complain about a chicken salad. You never came talking to me about a chicken salad. So like, what are you going to do about it now? You're going to send me a whole message after tour. Like, you're just got off the bus. I don't even know that you got off the bus and you're going to send me an essay intro body conclusion, trying to analyze this shit and figure out how I'm wrong. When all I did was share my stage with you. When I didn't even have to do that, you got less than 10,000 listeners a month. That's her Spotify numbers. And I'm sharing my stage with you and you're feeling entitled. The whole thing that's blowing me right now is because Cleo kept talking about like ice has dark energy. She has dark energy. She's like, do you meant like there's something not right? When you walk look at her pictures. So, you know, talking about some dark energy, trying to compare a tour bus to a slave ship. She did the slave ship comment when she was talking about the bunks. Other stacked on each other and like very enclosed. Like, what are you talking about right now? What that's so crazy to me, bro. That is so crazy. You really go and be friends with someone for two years, but the whole time you feel like they're soulless and dark, like you said, I'm dumb as hell bitch. If anything, we both need saving. What the fuck are you talking about? We was at the movie theaters. We were hanging out, but you're not going to tell this is the part that is going viral. Bitch, you're not going to tell people how we was at an Italian restaurant and you ate so much fucking food, you fucking vacuum that the server was like, where did the food go? Stop it right now. So basically, she's like, so then it's good. It's a sound, but people, it's funny because people are like, that's what you do in a restaurant. Let me tell you right now, if I am at an Italian restaurant, I'm eating so much fucking food that the waiter is going to say, where did the food go? And I'm going to say, it's right here. Also, it's so funny that a waiter would say, where did the food go when like, a waiter would never, where would they, where would it go? You leave a plate of food and people eat it. Like, what do you mean, where it would go? Anyway, so then after the Twitter space, Ice Spice seemingly mocks Cleo Trapa and now deleted post, would you rather, and then there's two options to poll a Twitter poll, be them being bad bitch or be a stupid bum bitch, right? That was the first poll that she did. And the second poll for the second poll she did was, what should I do for dinner, steakhouse or chicken salad, the two options, right? Then, Ice Spice's management weighs in. And basically, the manager was like, this is her manager, like this is Cleo's manager's fault. Her manager should have told her like, what happened? Like, this is what happens when an artist goes on tour. Like, he should have explained the opportunity to her. Like, she's just young and she doesn't know anything. And now she's like, ruining, and she's so unprofessional and so messy. He's like, I spoke to Cleo's manager this morning, and the manager realized that Cleo's 100% in the wrong, and that his client doesn't have the financial backing to be on the tour. And then Cleo replied, like, that guy's lying, like, my manager never talked to you, you're lying. Then in response to the vacuum comment, Cleo accuses Ice of being on ozempic because I speak. So this is basically imagine being called big by someone that was just big. I'm going to bed, bro. Ozempic got y'all gassed and fought for a big now bet. So finally, on September 4th, we love her. We hate her. But we love her. Azalea Bankstrom said. No, we love her. No, we love her. Cleo Chappa. So Azalea Bank said, I don't like how everyone's trying to make Cleo Chappa look any fucking who at Cleo Chappa will be performing with me on Halloween, October 31st. At Terminal 5, she will be paid. She will have her own space to glam whatever she wants on her writer, because I have fucking respect and class. Yes. And Cleo Chappa acknowledged bank support and, quote, tweeted it with a kiss emoji. We love her. Azalea Banks has been summoned. She's not a bunch of other stuff, but it was crazy. And I'm not going to engage. That's okay. Broken clock, you know. Broken clock. She's. Broken clock is right twice a post. Yes, I suppose. She's talking about like Cardi B and how like, I spice isn't really black and it's like, okay, okay, all right, well, yeah, well, yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, exactly, exactly. Thoughts? Guys, that's the discourse. Look, I think that I spice went to the rap school of Nicki Minaj. And it sounds to me like she's going the way of her. And it's possible that maybe when she was working with Nicki Minaj and Nicki treated her like that. And she feels like she has to now son somebody else. You know what I mean? Like, when you're, when you're mistreated, you start to miss the people. Yeah, this place anger. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And even like baby storm said a long time ago, when baby storm said that in April that like, I spice was baby storm had screenshots where I spice was talking shit about Nicki Minaj. And was like Nicki Minaj just washed up and irrelevant. Like, I'm the one that got her like this Barbie song and all this. It would never be popping without me and all this stuff, whatever. So it's like, probably Nicki Minaj signed her and like she's trying to pass it on. Yeah. The thing to me that just sticks out about all of this is that there is such this undercurrent of like, this just toxic mentality that is all throughout entertainment, which is like, oh, if I'm giving you an opportunity, then I don't even have to pay you. Yeah, like, I don't have to give you shit. I don't have to feed you. I don't have to tell you anything. And you as an artist, because you're getting an opportunity quote unquote, you have to lay down and just accept whatever because of the potential chance that you might get more Spotify, streams, listens, whatever you should take any kind of treatment. That is just so pervasive in all of entertainment everywhere. And it fucking sucks. No one should be paid an opportunity. People should be paid in dollars and people should be respected because at the end of the day, you want your opener to look good, be well rested, be fed and all that stuff because your tour is better when your opener isn't starving and sharing her own bags and so like, upset and shit, but it's this mentality that doesn't even take into consideration the totality of like, like, to me, I'm like, oh, I space isn't thinking of her show as a whole show and a whole production. The way really top artists actually do when you think about the people who are at the tip top of their game right now, I'm thinking about even like Olivia Rodriguez relationship with Chapel Rohn because Olivia Rodriguez had Chapel Rohn opening for her. And now they're doing all these videos where like Olivia will sing with Chapel. They'll sing each other's songs. There is no way Olivia Rodriguez is having Chapel Rohn carry all her wigs up the street, like all her glam, yeah, only Chapel Rohn carrying a ball down down the stairs. Yeah, that's not happening because you treat your opener with respect because your opener is part of your show. They're an extension of you. Yeah, you're like, this is my person. This is the person that I have cosigned to be here. Yeah, I'm going to have you sneaky up at six 30 before I even have anyone else show up. Like, that's weird. Yeah, it was weird. Yeah, it was weird. And the thing is that everything that I said doesn't refute any of the claims that like Cleo was making. No, I feel like it makes them stronger because she did have dark energy in those responses. Yeah, really mean and nasty. And there was this level of, well, I'm bigger than you look at your Spotify streams. Yeah, I gave you this opportunity blah, blah, blah, which is the exact attitude that she's saying you had. So I feel like her response only made me feel more like, Oh, this wasn't a misunderstanding. This was for real. Yeah, because there was part of me that was like, well, I spice is really young. Maybe she didn't have a grasp on her team and how her people were being treated. Maybe she's head in the clouds. But like she doesn't know one way or another. But it's once you hear that response, I'm like, Oh no, it was intentional and it was mean or just like she has no idea or like she's young. So she doesn't have the compassion of knowing like how it feels to be in that girl's position. Yeah, another thing people are saying like, again, this is on Cleo, like, so there's been a lot of discourse. Most of it is like, I spices mean and weird and like she's always had mean girl energy and she's trying to do the girl's girl thing. But it's not working because look at how she's treating her girl's girl. A kind of valid argument is just like she should have like talk to her manager first or positive. Yeah, I was surprised the manager was involved in this. Yeah, it just sounds like two girls were like, Hey, you want to open for me real quick? Yeah. So, yeah, that was like the big criticism that I feel like is kind of valid of like, yeah, she should have worked out with her manager and like the manager could have asked like, where is she going to stay? What are we about meals? What about this? What about that? I think even like, I spices manager said like, if she couldn't figure it out in the first few, like, maybe she misses the first five days of the tour, just so she could like work those, work those things out. And like, that's a lesson to like, yeah, that was a valid criticism. And you know, I've just also been there like, I just have so much compassion for Cleo because we have big personalities and you know, whatever. And it's like, and also we have like friends who are really famous or whatever. And they think that just putting us on but like, not treating us like a human being on the way or like, again, trying to humble or be like, no, but this is my thing. This is my and it's like, if you're truly secure in yourself, like, you wouldn't care about that. Yeah, I'm little, I'm nobody, then then you shouldn't be trying to humble me. Yeah. If I really have nobody, you shouldn't be trying to humble me. And I don't know if I'm going in with this with like, bias lenses. But now Cleo's Spotify listeners are more obviously because this went insanely viral. That first video that we said, the three minute clip that video has five million views. Her Spotify listeners got up. I'm going to say, biously that her music is better than I suppose. I mean, it is. I suppose. Yeah, her music is good. Like, you would really like the song rock star, very emo inspired beats, but like, she wraps on it. She's doing like, cool, overboard play. She did a freestyle about it. That's great. So it's good. So that's basically the discourse. I have like another thought. If I'm going to give any, I spice any sort of tiny bit of credit, which I don't think she deserves, but whatever I'm going to say here and do it. Perhaps she doesn't know anything about this shit because she is like 23 and never had to struggle. Exactly. Flew up to stardom. So she flew up to being like a Grammy winner somehow. Yeah. So she doesn't know what happens on the bottom when you're doing like smaller shows. So perhaps she didn't know. And then when Cleo bought it up to her about the suitcases, yeah, she was like, Oh, fuck you. Now I'm going to make it hard for you. Exactly. That's what I think probably happened. It's like that. Like she didn't know, but then like the secret stuff. Yeah, later on it becomes like purposeful. Like, now I'm going to make it hard for you. Yeah, because he's hassled me. Yeah, because he has. Yes. Like that when whatever it was that moment with the suitcases got brought up that like brought out, I think a petty streak. I do think the use of both people is at play here. In the case of ice spice that she just is super duper young and exactly everything you said had such a meteoric rise so fast. It's also just like people who are 24 are very self-centered and not even realize what she never had to be in the trenches. She never had to be in the trenches. Someone hasn't returned. Yeah. Saturn return will beat your ass. Yeah. And then with Cleo, it's more of a youth, not that she's been in the industry last time because she hasn't, but it's a youth in like this level of start. Yes. It's like she should definitely have gone to her manager and said they're not feeding me. They're not putting me up. Like that is something where you can call you. That's what your rent is for. Yeah. And I don't think she realized that that was like available to her and option or that it's like none of this is above board. You shouldn't be being asked to do this in a day. So I think both of those things are coming at play. But at the end of the day, the fact that when she brought this stuff to ice spice as a friend that ice spice was just like fuck you. You ate all of our time. Yeah. Yeah. That to me speaks very poorly of ice spice. Just bad vibes. I'm this concert. I hate it. Is it time for grass hole? We've got a quick grass hole. Let's do it. Okay. This is our segment Grass hole of the week where we talk about the person or people who need to log off the most. Sometimes it is loving. Sometimes it is not this one. I'm honestly just mainly concerned for our grass holes and like the state of mine that they enter the world in for the first time ever. Our grass hole is potentially thousands of people. And this is where scams come in because this week's grass hole are the people who believed the chase bank glitch. Oh no. Have you guys heard about the chase bank? Did I almost go myself? Did I think about it? Yes. Sure. So in our re-released episode that we put out last week where we talked about the $50,000 in a shoebox cut article, we the way we talked about that was like I would go through it and Millie would tell me where things blooped for her. So where you get a little huh? This might not be good. Okay. So I'm going to go through what the chase bank glitch is. Okay. And you guys just give me your bloops. Okay. Let me hit a bloop. Yeah. Chase bank glitch. Bloop. So last weekend the phrase Chase bank hack was trending on TikTok. After users became convinced that the banks ATMs were glitching nationwide and causing them to give people unlimited cash. Bloop. Unlimited cash from a bank is a bloop for me. I'm going to say Chase bank hack is a bloop. Yeah. No. Hack on TikTok for a bank to do fraudulent activity. Yeah that's the black is fraud. Yeah. Bloop. Bloop. Bloop. Bloop. Bloop. Bloop. Bloop. Bloop. Bloop. Bloop. Bloop. Bloop the entire thing that I just said. Okay great. Dozens of TikTok users claimed in videos that have since been deleted. That the bank's ATM would allow any customer to immediately withdraw from any check that had just been deposited even if they didn't actually have the money in their account. So basically you write yourself a check for thousands of dollars deposit it and then take out money you never had in the first place. So I'm not sure if you guys caught it. But that glitch is actually a crime and that crime is called check fraud. It's a pretty known crime that's existed for a while. This is per NBC business. Criminal statutes on the severity of punishment for instances of check fraud may vary by state to state but in California misdemeanor check fraud carries a one year prison term and financial penalties and in New York it can result in up to three months of jail time and a fine. So the bank says that as of today it is reviewing thousands of incidents of people doing this which is particularly hilarious because in order to execute the glitch you have to put in your debit card. Yeah deposit a check with your name on it and your signature and your signature and put in your pin and ATMs now report videos transaction. So it is the least slick crime you could possibly commit. Like it's basically like hello I'm a criminal and my social security number is there. Here is my crime. I did it. So here's a quote from Rolling Stone. It took less than three days for the get cash quick scheme to become a shit show. Users posted hundreds of now deleted videos showing their chase accounts with negative amounts of up to $50,000 which is so funny like why wouldn't you try a smaller amount to go $50,000 immediately. I know hard. And the article this Rolling Stone article goes on to make some interesting points about how there's like a whole ecosystem of bad potentially illegal financial advice online. Apparently earlier this year there was a 26 year old mother identifying herself just as Patricia who went viral for her business women university program which basically I like these crimes. This kind of crime I like. So she told women to make circular transactions across multiple credit cards to grow their credit lines and then use that to start a business which financial experts say it violates multiple tax laws. That one's a little bit more involved. I'll let that slide. Patricia's fine because she has a university. So guys for believing that something titled Chase Bank hack was real and for doing it to the tune of $50,000 Chase Bank Glitch Believers. Don't touch grass. All the grass. Get outside. No you need but not to the ATM. No no no no anywhere but to the very fresh air touch grass no ATM fraud for you. It's almost like elder fraud but what opposite like for youth for people that were on TikTok and then are like oh I can do a hack for my bed. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but this is this is the new elder fraud. Yeah because I've got elders on the phone. I know but they get they get the youth on TikTok. But the elders there are the victims. Yeah the kids are not the victims. You victimize yourself. You victimize yourself. Yeah because Chase Bank is fine. We'll be getting their money back. They're getting their money back. Now you're going to jail. Now you're going to jail. But they opened up all these brand new jails so we got to fill them up somehow. So the big winner is the new year. It's not always the winner. Yeah that's actually how you should end every episode. No sponsored by Rikers Island. No okay. This is not the daily. This is an amazing episode. Amazing. Ariel why don't you tell everyone where they can find you. Your podcast. Your socials. All that good stuff. Yeah my name is Ariel EAT AR IEL since we talked about how to spell names in the beginning. Ariel EAT on Instagram. Twitter. I'm still on Twitter it's sad. No it's fun. It's okay it's a little sad but it's fun at the same time. And I do fraudsters. It's a podcast about fraudulent activity mostly white color crime and we come out every Tuesday. This season is about the war on drugs and how fraudulent it is. Wow. Wow. It's being a filling up those prisons. That's really what most of it is about. Yeah. Guys you can find this podcast at go touch grasp pod on everything you can find me at Pandalius on Instagram at Elise Navidad on TikTok. Don't forget to leave us if I start rating and review. You can find me at Millie_Tomeras on TikTok and Instagram and at MillieTomeras on Twitter. And if you're in Denver. I'm gonna be doing a show. Wow. I'm gonna be doing two shows in Denver. Coming up in English and in Spanish as part of the High Plains Comedy Festival. Amazing. I will be putting that on my social very soon. But come see me come say hi come see more. Come say na. Come see come say. And it's September 20th and 21st. I will be in Denver doing comedy live. So do that guys go see Millie and Denver and until next time go touch guys. That was a head gum podcast. Hi guys. I'm Ego Wodom. Check out my new show. Thanks dad now on head gum. I was raised by a single mom and I don't have a relationship with my dad and spoiler. I don't think I'm ever gonna have one with him because he's he's dead. 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